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Remains of 11-year-old Gannon Stauch found MILES away from his Colorado home. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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Speaker 1: The body of this little boy, his remains a little
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Speaker 1: eleven year old child, Gannon Stock, have been found far
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Speaker 1: far from home in Florida. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: It was a road construction worker who found the remains Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Investigators aren't releasing any details about how the boy died.
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Speaker 1: They say he was killed in Colorado and then taken
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Speaker 1: to Florida. I asked how finding a body can help
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Speaker 1: with an investigation. Senior District Deputy District Attorney Michael Allen
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Speaker 1: said there's really evidence on a body. He wouldn't go
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Speaker 1: into specifics about the case, but did say Gannon's family
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Speaker 1: is taking things very hard. Obviously, they're distraught with this information.
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Speaker 1: They were still holding out hope that Gannon would come
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Speaker 1: home alife, despite the original charges that we followed in
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Speaker 1: this case. And they're struggling, and they rightfully would be,
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Speaker 1: considering the circumstances of this case. It's tragic and we
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Speaker 1: you know, like I said at the beginning, our hearts
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Speaker 1: go out to them. I mean, see Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friend Lance Hernandez at ABC seven News, Denver.
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Speaker 1: But joining me right now an a list panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, SATTLPD, twenty two years homicide
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Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer. You can find him. Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Face on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan Psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan. Karen Stark at Karen Stark dot com,
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot com. Investigative reporter Lee Egan with inside information,
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Speaker 1: but right now to our special guests, joining us from
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Speaker 1: Fox thirty one, Denver. Or This is Nicole Fierro. Nicole,
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Speaker 1: let me start with a very narrow question. Explain to
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Speaker 1: me what you know about how this little boy's body
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Speaker 1: was found. We have all been searching for Gannon and
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Speaker 1: now the result not what we had hoped for at all,
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Speaker 1: not the outcome we had wished and prayed for. This
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Speaker 1: little boy's body has been found far from home. I
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Speaker 1: understand a row construction worker found his body. Nicole. What
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Speaker 1: happened absolutely and as he said, not what anyone was
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Speaker 1: wishing or thinking could even be possible at all. We
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Speaker 1: covered search crews scouring all over Colorado for weeks and
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Speaker 1: weeks on end, and then this week we hear Florida. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we did the math. We were calculating how far away
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Speaker 1: it was from Earth from Myrtle Beach where she was arrested.
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Speaker 1: It's just mind blowing. And there is a gag order
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Speaker 1: on this coast, so they are not there, very tight
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Speaker 1: list right now, releasing very little information. But I talked
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Speaker 1: to my contacts over in Florida. I got their press
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Speaker 1: release about what happened, and it said that a road
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Speaker 1: construction crew was working in the area right near a bridge,
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Speaker 1: a Scambia River Bridge and Highway ninety and that's where
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Speaker 1: they found what they believe is a Gannon's body. Our
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Speaker 1: friend Nicol Fierro joining us from Denver Fox thirty one,
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Speaker 1: describing the intense search throughout Gannon's home state of Colorado
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Speaker 1: straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan. It's so important when
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Speaker 1: a body and I can't even imagine finding a little
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Speaker 1: child's body. But when a body is found, how you
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Speaker 1: handle that crime scene, Joe Scott, why so important? Because
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Speaker 1: you get you only get one one first time at it. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You have to be on target with everything that you do.
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Speaker 1: It has to be planned. And you know, I'm hoping
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Speaker 1: that the authorities had an understanding that there was a
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Speaker 1: search on going for a little boy, because it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's not that often as as a crime scene investigator
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Speaker 1: that you find a small child like this, Jess Goot Morgan.
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Speaker 1: Let me remind you I told you the story once before.
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Speaker 1: I was on the tail of I believe a serial
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Speaker 1: killer and another Jane Doe turned up, and I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you everything we not. I we were able to
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Speaker 1: prove from one earring, one earing where we found it,
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Speaker 1: what it meant that it was there. When you recover
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Speaker 1: a body, every single piece of evidence counts, and if
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Speaker 1: you blunder through, I would assume a tertiary crime scene.
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Speaker 1: Of course, Gannon wasn't murdered in Florida. Gannon had to
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Speaker 1: be murdered somewhere else and transported to Florida, which begs
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Speaker 1: the question, what random killer would go to all that
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Speaker 1: effort but if you miss one detail at a crime scene,
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Speaker 1: even a tertiary crime scene, such as the disposal of
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Speaker 1: the body's scene, you may lose your case. It's just
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Speaker 1: that simple. So the recovery of this child's body is
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Speaker 1: so so important. We had begged, we had hoped, we
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Speaker 1: had prayed, we had searched for another outcome in the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of gannet Stock. He went missing, this little boy
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Speaker 1: from Colorado Springs area January twenty seven, in a very murky,
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Speaker 1: murky an area. How did it all start? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Katie Blaze, a C five. The community holding
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Speaker 1: out hope that Gannon will be found. They've been tying
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Speaker 1: up blue ribbons around the neighborhood, Gannon's favorite color, and
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Speaker 1: distributing and posting flyers like this. Gannon has brown hair
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Speaker 1: and brown eyes. He's eleven years old. He's four nine
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Speaker 1: and weighs ninety pounds, and he was last seen wearing
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Speaker 1: a blue jacket and jeans. And we spoke with Gannon's
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Speaker 1: dad on Tuesday at night and he told us his
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Speaker 1: son was last scene between three fifteen and four on
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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, that he was going to a friend's house
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Speaker 1: but didn't say which friend, the dad tells us. When
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Speaker 1: Gannon didn't return home a few hours later, that's when
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Speaker 1: police were called. Now a little after ten on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: the Opasso County Sheriff's Office showed up at Gannon's home.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement were at the home and appeared to be
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Speaker 1: searching in the backyard with some flashlights. Gannon's parents speaking
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Speaker 1: about the search for their son just moments ago. I'm
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Speaker 1: land and Hyatt, Gannon's mom, and I encourage you guys.
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Speaker 1: I know many of you mothers and fathers. I encourage
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Speaker 1: you to seek find him. I'm so thankful for all
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Speaker 1: the outpouring help. You know. I appreciate the flyers and
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the ribbons because it brings attention to a
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Speaker 1: missing person case, especially a child. And without that attention,
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Speaker 1: I mean, think of Elizabeth Smart. If her case had
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Speaker 1: not been publicized and had so much attention, the heroes
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Speaker 1: in that case would not have recognized her, just her eyes.
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Speaker 1: She was being forced to wear burka at the time
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Speaker 1: she was spotted. It was only through citizen heroes that
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Speaker 1: her life was saved. But it's forensics that carry the
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Speaker 1: day when you're actually trying to find a missing child.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jessica Barretto. Oka. Really just a
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Speaker 1: huge outpour of support right now, just to try and
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Speaker 1: find again and bring him back home. Now. Therefore to
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Speaker 1: five groups of forty to fifty volunteers out here, so
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Speaker 1: the number is really into the two hundreds range right now.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to cover as much area and as much
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Speaker 1: ground as possible here in the Lorson Ranch neighborhood. They're
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Speaker 1: trying to go as far north along Mark Shuffle as
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Speaker 1: they can. They're traveling east and west along Fontaine. Still
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Speaker 1: no updates as to Gannon's whereabouts, but they are hoping
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Speaker 1: that they find anything that can lead to his recovery
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Speaker 1: and just finding him and finding out what happened to him. Now.
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Speaker 1: I did speak to the event organizer out here. She
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Speaker 1: said she's instructing volunteers to look for any footprints, items
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Speaker 1: of clothing, any sort of article that an article of
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Speaker 1: clothing or anything that may belong to him that just
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Speaker 1: looks out of place, and again just hoping to bring
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Speaker 1: Gannon home. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. We will not
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Speaker 1: be going into detail about the information in the investigation
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Speaker 1: which ultimately resulted in the rest of Letitia. But I
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Speaker 1: can tell you that this has been I'm a thought
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Speaker 1: up of the time consuming multi state operation with investigators
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Speaker 1: working nearly around the clock to find Gannon. There have
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Speaker 1: been thousands of hours of investigation in search efforts. This
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Speaker 1: includes large scale searches in addition to small specific searches
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Speaker 1: with drones, horses, canines and other resources. Well, we have
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Speaker 1: not yet found Gannon. Information has been developed that is
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Speaker 1: helping us narrow our search. As you can see from
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Speaker 1: the arrest Sadly, we do not believe again is alive.
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Speaker 1: This is not what I wanted to report. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing Passo County Sheriff press conference. That was Lieutenant
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Speaker 1: Mitch Mahuco speaking. They were right in the last hours
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Speaker 1: the body of this eleven year old boy. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at his picture right now. He's got in a little
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Speaker 1: plaid shirt like one my son wore for Easter about
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Speaker 1: two years ago, smiling at the camera. And now we
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Speaker 1: know that he is dead. His body has been found
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Speaker 1: far far from home in Florida, which begs the question,
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Speaker 1: what random killer would take his body across the country
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Speaker 1: to dispose of it. None. Let me just answer that
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Speaker 1: for you right there for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us at this time of
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Speaker 1: sorrow for a Gannon Stock's family. What happened? How did
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Speaker 1: his body end up that far away? Now? What we
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Speaker 1: have been told straight out to special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: it's Nicole Fierro, Reporter Fox thirty one, Denver. The timeline
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Speaker 1: that we were working on, and that's one of your specialties.
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Speaker 1: You've gone through, called through evidence, reports, statements, rumors, gossip,
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Speaker 1: the works to come up with a timeline. I just
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Speaker 1: heard the dad say earlier that around three fifteen to
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Speaker 1: four o'clock was when he went to a friend's home
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Speaker 1: and then never came back. Nicole, What allegedly led up
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Speaker 1: to that moment? This is a very narrow question. Why
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Speaker 1: do we think that he went to a friend's house
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Speaker 1: and was never seen again? Nicole Fierro. That is what
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Speaker 1: was reported to the police from Gannon's stepmother. The last
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Speaker 1: person who was reported to see him was Gettin' stepmother
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Speaker 1: and she had said he had gone to a friends
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Speaker 1: at around between three and four o'clock. But we've seen
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Speaker 1: a lot more since then. We've had neighbors come forward
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Speaker 1: checking their surveillance. We've had so much happened since then,
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Speaker 1: but that is the original statement that we started with.
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Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, it's
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Speaker 1: my understanding that part of the timeline started when the stepmother,
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Speaker 1: Letitia Stock, said that she kept him home from school
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Speaker 1: that day because he had diarrhea. Yeah, that's absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: She said he was having stomach problems and having bouts
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Speaker 1: between constipation and diarrhea, nauseated, possible vomiting, and she thought
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Speaker 1: he would need to see a doctor that day, which
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Speaker 1: that didn't end up happening, but that was that was
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Speaker 1: the reason. Who WHOA whoa? Okay, Lee Agan, crimal Line
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, we've confirmed he was not in
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Speaker 1: school that day, correct, correct? Okay, So tell me how
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Speaker 1: you can reconcile what we learned from KKTV, CBS eleven
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Speaker 1: Spencer Wilson take a listen. I need Harley. I need
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Speaker 1: Harley because they want you to verify was getting at
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Speaker 1: home after the hike because you didn't go to high
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Speaker 1: but you came home and work. Hmm, we need to
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Speaker 1: see yes. No, just asked the question, Yes, you you
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Speaker 1: came off for work, and you can verify a Gannon
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Speaker 1: was a homeis Yeah, I thought her. She didn't have
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Speaker 1: to be too in depth because she is still, you know,
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Speaker 1: a child. But I want to make sure that someone
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Speaker 1: knows that there's another person to verify that Gannon sure,
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Speaker 1: does she need to hold this? No? Yes, So I
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Speaker 1: came home later that evening I was at work, and
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Speaker 1: I can verify that he was there that night. So
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Speaker 1: there there was a hike that you guys went on.
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Speaker 1: But then you guys came home. Yes, where'd you guys
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Speaker 1: go ahead of the guides? Okay, back to you, Lee again.
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Speaker 1: Is it true that the stepmother, Letitia's stock has called
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Speaker 1: you just voluntarily it started giving you her story? Yes? No, yes, Okay.
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Speaker 1: What was that about a hike? When was the hike
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Speaker 1: supposed to have happened? The hike happen on Sunday, the
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Speaker 1: day before Gannon was reported missing. Okay, And I noticed
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Speaker 1: when the reporter keeps going to the I guess steps
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Speaker 1: just well not really step sister, but the stepmother's daughter, Harley.
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Speaker 1: The stepmother keeps breaking in with the answers. It was
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Speaker 1: I hearing that correctly, Lee, You heard absolutely correctly. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what she was doing Okay, Lee Aigan, what did
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Speaker 1: the stepmother tell you? He told me that she left
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Speaker 1: with Skinnon at around ten am that morning. She said that, yes,
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Speaker 1: he was feeling sick, that's why she brought a white
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Speaker 1: paper bag along in case he had to throw up
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Speaker 1: along where she was going on errands like to a
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Speaker 1: Play It Against sports store, a bike store in Castle Rock,
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Speaker 1: which I believe is about an hour away from her home,
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Speaker 1: and just taking the back rolls, you know, just strolling
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Speaker 1: around having casual conversations with this child that supposedly pooping
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Speaker 1: in his pants. Her words, nauseated, you know, just not
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Speaker 1: feeling well, and for whatever reason she did not, from
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Speaker 1: her words, she did not take him to the doctor.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand something. What was the white bag for
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Speaker 1: in case he had to throw up? Okay, well what
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Speaker 1: about the diarrhea? I don't know she would not. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard the years of a white bag for diarrhea.
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Speaker 1: I mean, all right, but I guess that actually I
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Speaker 1: started to say, that's neither here nor there, but that's
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Speaker 1: totally yes, it's very important because Cloyd Steiger thirty six
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Speaker 1: years Seattle PD, twenty two years homicide. Every word counts,
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Speaker 1: and I would not be surprised at all if miss
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan from crime online dot Com ends up in
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Speaker 1: court or giving a statement to police. Because when you
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Speaker 1: keep your child home from school because they have diarrhea
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Speaker 1: is so badly they can't make it to the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: but you take them on a wild goose chase to
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Speaker 1: from one sport a youth sports place, played against Sam
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Speaker 1: been there many times, to another sports place, but you
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Speaker 1: never go into the sports place. You never buy anything,
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Speaker 1: I mean, And then you say your child's diary is
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Speaker 1: so badly that you give your child a white paper
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Speaker 1: back to what that matter? It doesn't matter in all
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Speaker 1: those words of their golden I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 1: to say he had diarrhea and constipated, going back and forth.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that in my life. You either
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Speaker 1: have one or the other, right, you don't have both.
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Speaker 1: And then the overstate our speaking her daughter when her
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Speaker 1: daughter's answering questions, that's classic. She's trying to manipulate the conversation.
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Speaker 1: And she really did herself a disservice by calling Lee
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Speaker 1: and telling her all this stuff that because a provable
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Speaker 1: lie is just as good as a confession. I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to our special guests joining us. Of course, guys,
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Speaker 1: you're all special, but joining me isn't. Coole fier I
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Speaker 1: report her Fox thirty one, Denver. I want to go
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Speaker 1: to cut six, and that's when KKTV, CBS eleven, Spencer Wilson,
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Speaker 1: you know Nicole Fierro, Fox thirty one, Denver. I found
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Speaker 1: it really odd while everyone's out looking for her son,
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Speaker 1: she's whining about her mistreatment by the press. Did you
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Speaker 1: notice that I did and actually personally spoke to her
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Speaker 1: about this. She released a very long statement to me
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Speaker 1: to share on her behalf where she's talking about all
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Speaker 1: the threats and this was well after that interview she did,
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Speaker 1: so this was something that was brought up for weeks
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Speaker 1: about how she has been treated and how she has
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Speaker 1: been threatened. And I would direct you to this statement.
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Speaker 1: It's very long and it goes into a lot of
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Speaker 1: details that she wanted released, she asked me to release.
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Speaker 1: But she talks about her self and the treatment she's
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Speaker 1: been getting a lot about throughout this case. M I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna need a shrink for that, But for right now,
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Speaker 1: I'll take a listen to Spencer Wilson at KKTVCBS eleven
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Speaker 1: I'm just ready for getting to come home, most importantly
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Speaker 1: for him to see his family. But second, I am
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Speaker 1: going to be so ecstatic when I'm able to say
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Speaker 1: to people that I hope they have a really and
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Speaker 1: seer apology for all these theories that have came out online,
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Speaker 1: for all the things they said that I have done
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Speaker 1: or people have done. And I just want everyone to
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Speaker 1: know that we're gonna find Gannon. And I love him
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Speaker 1: so much. I've helped taking care of him for so long.
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Speaker 1: Gannon is so kind and he loves to play video games.
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Speaker 1: That's one of his favorite things. He loves Sonic and Mario.
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Speaker 1: And you know, he's always helpful. And he was always
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Speaker 1: so helpful with the dogs around the house and we
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Speaker 1: have two little key dogs, and he was always like
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Speaker 1: a person. I could say gain and can you go
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Speaker 1: do this, and he would do it right away. You know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes with kids we have to remind them and things
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Speaker 1: like that, and that's okay, but he was so sweet
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Speaker 1: and able to help anyone. He could notice when you're
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Speaker 1: sick and say are you okay? And such a kind heart. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna avoid the obvious that she is talking about nothing,
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Speaker 1: but herself, but Karen Start, New York psychologists joining me
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Speaker 1: at Karen start dot com. She's now referring to the
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Speaker 1: little boy, her stepson in the past tense. He was helpful,
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Speaker 1: he was so sweet. It reminds me of Scott Peterson
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Speaker 1: when he says she Lacy his wife, she was amazing. Hello, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: we don't even know whether she's dead or alive. Where
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Speaker 1: are you talking about her in the past tense? I mean, Karen,
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Speaker 1: do you remember when my dad passed away? I couldn't
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Speaker 1: bring myself to say the word d I E or
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Speaker 1: d E A D for I still don't say it,
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Speaker 1: and I think of him as if he's right here
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Speaker 1: with me all the time. How was she well, we
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Speaker 1: hadn't even found again, and still already referring to him
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Speaker 1: in the past tense and talking about how she wants
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Speaker 1: an apology. That's a dead giveaway, Nancy. The minute and
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, son, But the minute that you
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Speaker 1: hear somebody speaking that way about a person that of
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Speaker 1: interested you're looking for, and they keep saying he was
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Speaker 1: she was, you have to wonder. Nobody wants to think
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Speaker 1: that the person is dead. So as I was listening
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Speaker 1: just like you. I'm thinking to myself, boy, she's giving
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Speaker 1: herself away, and the fact that it's all about her,
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Speaker 1: her narcissism. It can't come out, you can't, it can't
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Speaker 1: stop itself from emerging. How everyone's going to be sorry
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Speaker 1: that they're acute. We're talking about him, not her, But
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Speaker 1: she's making so much of it about her, what she's like,
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Speaker 1: but she went through. How everybody will be regretting that
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I can I can watch it on
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Speaker 1: my television, but I can cut it on my tablet.
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Speaker 1: I can zoom in, zoom out, slow motion all that,
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Speaker 1: so you know you could see someone goutt a trust
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Speaker 1: or not. And plus they have found. So a lot
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Speaker 1: of people with us, A lot of people doesn't know
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Speaker 1: that they have found. To hear send alone, you got
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Speaker 1: you are hearing the next door neighbor or the cross
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Speaker 1: the street neighbor of little boy Gannon Stock his name.
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Speaker 1: Roderick did not know the Stock family before Gannon goes missing.
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Speaker 1: When he realized that he saw Gannon on a security camera,
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Speaker 1: he went to the family to show him. They call
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Speaker 1: the FBI. The FBI comes and takes about seventy videos
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Speaker 1: from the Saturday before a Gannon goes missing until the
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Speaker 1: next week. Now, these cameras are not motion activated, they
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Speaker 1: constantly record, and you hear Roderick speaking to Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac Dave managed to get
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Speaker 1: Roderick Drayton on the phone to explain what he saw. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan, what is what is? Roderick Drayton saying, break
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Speaker 1: it down for me rock his camera. He's about a
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Speaker 1: couple of houses down, but his camera can pick up
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Speaker 1: everything going on at the Stout driveway. At around ten
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Speaker 1: twenty am on January twenty seventh, Letitia Stout Gannon walked
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Speaker 1: to a red pickup truck. He's holding looks like an
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Speaker 1: electronic in his hand at that time, he drops it.
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Speaker 1: She reaches down, picks it up, puts it in the truck,
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Speaker 1: gets him in the truck, and drives away with him
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Speaker 1: about two twenty Between two fifteen to twenty pm that afternoon,
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Speaker 1: Roderick says his security picks up Latitia Stout coming back
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Speaker 1: to the home in the red pickup truck. She gets
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Speaker 1: out alone. Gannon is not with her. Okay, I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what you're saying, and you said
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Speaker 1: it perfectly lye Egan. But I mean in the sense
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Speaker 1: that what does this mean to the investigation? Is there
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Speaker 1: any way to reconcile what the neighbor has caught on video.
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Speaker 1: He didn't mean to, but he caught on video the
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Speaker 1: stepmother leaving with and coming back without Gannon. Is there
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Speaker 1: any way to reconcile that with the stepmother's statement that
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Speaker 1: he went to a friend's house and then never came back.
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Speaker 1: And how can we reconcile that with what she tells
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan on the phone that he was so sick
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Speaker 1: before that he couldn't even go to school To Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD
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Speaker 1: dot com, explain the significance of this video that the
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Speaker 1: neighbor inadvertently took, that it's now been seized by the FBI,
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Speaker 1: the significances it contradicts the suspects statement. This is enormous evidence,
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Speaker 1: and this is the kind of evidence that thankfully we
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Speaker 1: have all over the country with ring cameras, with home surveillance.
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Speaker 1: We are literally living on video in this day and age.
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Speaker 1: And when you have video that completely contradicts what somebody
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Speaker 1: is trying to explain happen, that is going to be
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Speaker 1: of enormous significance to a jury. But even more than that,
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Speaker 1: when you have video like this, you're going to look
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Speaker 1: at the dynamic between the people on the video. Did
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Speaker 1: it seem like she was rushed upset? Did he look
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Speaker 1: like he was feeling sick? Was he walking slowly? How
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Speaker 1: did she appear when she came back. Was she happy,
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Speaker 1: was she relieved that she look stressed out? All these
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Speaker 1: types of things are possible now. And what you do
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Speaker 1: is you take what you see and you compare them
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Speaker 1: with what somebody says, and that distinction is either consistent
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Speaker 1: or its contradictory. That's going to be a enormous significance
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Speaker 1: to this case. Well, what you just said reminds me
25:34
Speaker 1: of a very important factor. And as Cloyd Steiger and
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan have pointed out, no detail is too small. Now,
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Speaker 1: our investigative reporter Dave mack manages to get the neighbor,
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Speaker 1: Roderick Drayton, to speak to him. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen to what the neighbor tells. Dave macs
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Speaker 1: like that funding. He went to the garden to guard
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Speaker 1: I watched him on my video out black playing him
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Speaker 1: and his sister. They were playing outside by the truck.
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Speaker 1: And then when they got rid of leave heard chief
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Speaker 1: said gammon, get on one side and Atlantic the other side.
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Speaker 1: I could hear her tell him asking that in the left.
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Speaker 1: They came back. He got a truck, he got of
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Speaker 1: the car and he ran into the house. So he
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Speaker 1: was trying funded. So that Monday, when I was just
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Speaker 1: looking through I saw him walking and he just didn't
26:25
Speaker 1: looked the same as he did. Something he saw I
26:27
Speaker 1: was like, something isn't right. He doesn't look the same
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Speaker 1: he looks you know, I said, he looked drugs or
26:31
Speaker 1: he just just didn't look like the same vibrant kid
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Speaker 1: he did Sunday. He knew when he was when they
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Speaker 1: got back from the garden to gud because I've seen
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Speaker 1: him getting the trucks before, you know, just just seeing
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Speaker 1: him get his dad talking him, driving off. He just
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Speaker 1: got right and trust and show the door. And that
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Speaker 1: day it just he just didn't seem right. He just
26:46
Speaker 1: seemed like something was bothering him or hurting him. He
26:49
Speaker 1: just didn't seem the same kid from Sunday. So according
26:52
Speaker 1: to the neighbor, he gotta take into account this. The
26:55
Speaker 1: defense will bring this up. I'm sure that the neighbor
26:58
Speaker 1: didn't know the Stock family, but he was comparing the
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Speaker 1: little boy playing and jumping around and having fun to
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Speaker 1: the way he saw them on the last day, who
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Speaker 1: was seen alive. Something was wrong that he looked like
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Speaker 1: he was drugged, you know. To Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,
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Speaker 1: you know, when you look at somebody, you go they're stoned.
27:20
Speaker 1: Nobody has to tell you the person's stoned. They look stoned.
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Speaker 1: I can't really describe it. There's a blank stare in
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Speaker 1: their face. I just I can't describe it. Or when
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Speaker 1: somebody's high on crack, you, I mean, all the years
27:31
Speaker 1: I prosecuted, I knew when somebody's high on crack. I mean,
27:34
Speaker 1: it's very obvious. When somebody's high on methamphetamine, it's wow.
27:39
Speaker 1: You can look at somebody until if they have been
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Speaker 1: on meth for a long time, their appearance gives it away.
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Speaker 1: I can't describe it, Joe Scott, but I know it
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Speaker 1: to be true. This neighbor says, the little boy looked
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Speaker 1: like he was drugged. What does that tell you, Joe Scott, Well,
27:56
Speaker 1: it tells me that he's observing this child, and he's
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Speaker 1: paid so much attention. He can see that the behavior
28:03
Speaker 1: has changed, Nancy, and this behavior that this child is
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Speaker 1: exhibiting is not compatible with his norm of the child.
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Speaker 1: The child is probably normally vibrant. He sees the child
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Speaker 1: moving about, but for some reason, the child looks disoriented.
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Speaker 1: He's just not hisself. And so yeah, it stands out.
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Speaker 1: It stands out to us in the field, doesn't it.
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Speaker 1: You know when we like you mentioned, when we're questioning people,
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Speaker 1: but you know, in everyday terms, and you don't expect
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Speaker 1: a child to behaving this way. If you're out and
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Speaker 1: you're interviewing people on the street, they're involved in a
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Speaker 1: negative lifestyle, it's not so surprising. But for a child
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Speaker 1: out in the yard, yeah, it's shocking and it's something
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Speaker 1: you would remember. For those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at crime Stories.
28:54
Speaker 1: Part of being a prosecutor, an investigator, a reporter shrink,
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Speaker 1: a forensic shrink is taking the blow when a case
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Speaker 1: doesn't turn out the way you hoped. That is what
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Speaker 1: has happened in our search for this little boy, Gannon
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Speaker 1: Stock Take a listen now to Denver Fox thirty one.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, this is our friend,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Fierro. Deputies in Florida reported that a construction crew
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Speaker 1: found a juvenile's remains while working near the Escambia River
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Speaker 1: Bridge in Santa Rosa County, Florida. Calculating the distance from
29:34
Speaker 1: Gannon and Latitia Stout's home, that's nearly fourteen hundred miles
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Speaker 1: a twenty plus hour drive. Something leads them to believe
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Speaker 1: the body was in this area of Florida on February
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Speaker 1: third through the fifth. She wasn't arrested until March second
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Speaker 1: in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. That's nearly seven hundred miles
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Speaker 1: from this Florida location where Gannon was tentatively found. That's
29:56
Speaker 1: a ten hour drive or a three hour flight. Wh
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Speaker 1: Queen February third and her arrest March second, she spoke
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Speaker 1: one on one with me. She never did say where
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Speaker 1: she was, but called several times and sent a number
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Speaker 1: of emails. From February eleventh to the last one. On
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Speaker 1: February twenty fourth, Letitia Stout tells me she feels the
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Speaker 1: need to fill in some gaps in the investigation. On
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Speaker 1: the twelfth, we release this statement she sent me talking
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Speaker 1: about Gamon's disappearance and the impact it yet again had
30:25
Speaker 1: on her crime stories with Nancy Grace. Ever since news
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Speaker 1: broke that Gannon's body was found in Florida, we've been
30:44
Speaker 1: inundated with inquiries from the press and the public. This
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Speaker 1: will address only what has taken place as a result
30:51
Speaker 1: of that development. In this case, as I've said in
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Speaker 1: the past we will not try this case in the media.
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Speaker 1: Today I filed new formal charge is in the case
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Speaker 1: against Letitia Stout. Those charges are murdering the first degree
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Speaker 1: after deliberation, a class one felony that carries a potential
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Speaker 1: prison sentence of life in prison without parole. In addition
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Speaker 1: to that, I've filed eight counts of crime of violence
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Speaker 1: for the alleged use of a firearm, a blunt instrument,
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Speaker 1: a knife or other sharp object, and for causing the
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Speaker 1: death of Gannon Stout. These new charges are added to
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Speaker 1: the original four charges that we originally filed in this case.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend, the District Attorney in El Paso,
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Speaker 1: the Senior DA, Michael Allen. Formal charges now handed down
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Speaker 1: against Letitia Stout, first degree murder, potential life without parole,
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Speaker 1: eight other charges for firearm, blunt instrument, knife, and the
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Speaker 1: death of little Gannon. Joining me right now, let's go
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Speaker 1: out to Denver. Nicole fee Year A report A fought
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Speaker 1: thirty one? Do we know the cause of death? The
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Speaker 1: cod I mean, I'm guessing it's got to do with
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Speaker 1: a firearm, a blunt object, or a knife. What what
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Speaker 1: are you hearing Nicole. Well, since there is a gag
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Speaker 1: order in this case, we are hearing very little right now,
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Speaker 1: I will tell you that. But we did hear through
32:22
Speaker 1: that press conference that he believes that Gannon was killed
32:27
Speaker 1: in Colorado. Otherwise they couldn't have put any charges there.
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Speaker 1: They upped charges. They added eight charges of crimes of
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Speaker 1: violence that would be including a firearm or shop a
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Speaker 1: sharp object or a blunt object to kill Gannon. And
32:42
Speaker 1: they also added after deliberation murder charge. So they won't
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Speaker 1: say why at all. They say they don't want to
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Speaker 1: put this through on the press. They don't want to
32:53
Speaker 1: because it's such a sensitive case. Right now. Everything matters
32:57
Speaker 1: when you're forming the case. They're still asking people for
32:59
Speaker 1: more information. But we do know these charges are huge,
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Speaker 1: and they're added to an additional four charges that we
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Speaker 1: started with. For those of you just joining us, the
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Speaker 1: remains of eleven year old Gannon Stock from Colorado have
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Speaker 1: been found near a bridge Scambia River Bridge Interstate ninety
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Speaker 1: near Pace, Florida. The little boy was found by a
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Speaker 1: Florida Department of Transportation construction crew. Pace is about fifteen
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Speaker 1: miles north of Pensacola. There on the Florida, Panhandle. The family,
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Speaker 1: his father, mother, and little sister are distraught. They had
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Speaker 1: held out hope for another ending right now. The stepmother,
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Speaker 1: Letitia Stock, in custody, straight out to J. Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. What do the charges tell you? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. Since I started reading these charges,
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Speaker 1: I've really been scratching my head over this. What it
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Speaker 1: tells me is that, first off, either this child has
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Speaker 1: multiple injuries that could have been generated by sharp object,
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Speaker 1: a blunt object or firearm, or his body was in
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Speaker 1: such a condition I hate to say this, that they
34:26
Speaker 1: couldn't make a specific determination or they're not willing to
34:29
Speaker 1: release that information. My thought is, and this is this
34:34
Speaker 1: is one other thing I was thinking, was Gannon? Was
34:39
Speaker 1: Gannon tortured? I think is one of the things that
34:43
Speaker 1: I'm thinking as well. Was he subjected to a beating
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Speaker 1: in life, a cutting and then he was shot? And
34:52
Speaker 1: it's going to be very important because where the timeline
34:56
Speaker 1: is concerned, did his injuries, some of the injury that
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Speaker 1: he incurred, did they occur before death, okay, like in
35:05
Speaker 1: a torture scenario, or did some of these things occur
35:10
Speaker 1: post mortem after death when he was thrown into this
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Speaker 1: estuary that literally flows into the Gulf of Mexico. So
35:18
Speaker 1: it's multi layered. Just as the reporter had mentioned, this
35:23
Speaker 1: is a very very complicated case. You're dealing with multiple jurisdictions. Yeah,
35:28
Speaker 1: as we all know, all you legal legals, a murder
35:30
Speaker 1: can be prosecuted either where the person is killed, As
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Speaker 1: Nicole Fierro from Fox thirty one Denver accurately pointed out,
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Speaker 1: the charges have been brought in Colorado, which tells me.
35:41
Speaker 1: As she also pointed out that they believe the murder
35:45
Speaker 1: occurred on this little boy in Colorado, or charges can
35:49
Speaker 1: be filed where the body is discovered, which would have
35:52
Speaker 1: been in Florida. Colorado has taken the lead, and that
35:56
Speaker 1: tells me a lot. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author red Flags.
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Speaker 1: What do the charges themselves tell you? Yeah, the charges
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Speaker 1: themselves tell me that they have a lot more evidence
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Speaker 1: than their sharing with the public, which justifiably is appropriate
36:09
Speaker 1: in a case like this where they're still investigating, and
36:12
Speaker 1: obviously they don't want to compromise the integrity of that investigation.
36:15
Speaker 1: But when you listen to all of the different types
36:18
Speaker 1: of let's call them weapons. You've got guns, knives, sharp objects.
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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder the duration of the unfortunate I
36:27
Speaker 1: don't even know what you want to call it that
36:29
Speaker 1: led to the death, whether it was a beating, whether
36:31
Speaker 1: it was some sort of a prolonged type of an
36:34
Speaker 1: incident that that eventually led to death. It all also
36:37
Speaker 1: leads to why move the body? You know? One of
36:40
Speaker 1: the things that's going to be a good tie in
36:42
Speaker 1: is to the folks that found that body. What did
36:44
Speaker 1: they notice first? And how then do we tie that
36:47
Speaker 1: into the charges in terms of what happened where. That's
36:50
Speaker 1: going to be important. And we can only keep it,
36:53
Speaker 1: you know, sort of behind the scenes for so long,
36:55
Speaker 1: because as soon as it gets into a courtroom, we
36:57
Speaker 1: will have the benefit of having all these answers, all
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Speaker 1: these questions answered in terms of what exactly happened. Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD twenty two years, homicide
37:08
Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant, Cloyd, the
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Speaker 1: charges tell me so much? What about it? Yeah? I
37:17
Speaker 1: agree with Joe. That must it must show the time
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Speaker 1: difference and the injuries leading up to the fatal injury.
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Speaker 1: I have a feeling they probably may have found the
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Speaker 1: spot it happened forensically to be so sure that it
37:32
Speaker 1: happened in Colorado, or they have some other information. It's
37:36
Speaker 1: just this is exactly, you know, a very complex case,
37:41
Speaker 1: is Wendy said, So they just have to play it
37:43
Speaker 1: close and what about it? Karen Stark, Yeah, I definitely
37:48
Speaker 1: agree with what everybody is saying. And the fact that
37:52
Speaker 1: they are talking about not Florida but Colorado makes you wonder,
37:57
Speaker 1: you know, about the whole story that this woman came
38:00
Speaker 1: up with. The stepmother well, I mean it saw clearly alive,
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Speaker 1: because even her own statements are inconsistent. But here's my question.
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, where did
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Speaker 1: the murder occur? If you look at the if you
38:18
Speaker 1: look at the charges, you've got a gun, you've got
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Speaker 1: a knife, if you've got a blunt object mentioned in
38:22
Speaker 1: the formal charges that's not just grabbed out of thin air.
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Speaker 1: They're basing that on what they have learned from the body.
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Speaker 1: So where does a crime like that occur? Where's the
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Speaker 1: blood evidence? Lee Egan? You may have the answer, didn't
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Speaker 1: the stepmother? Letitia Stalk tell you some cockamamee story about
38:46
Speaker 1: taking the quote back roads and she left her cell
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Speaker 1: phone behind on this long journey to go buy a bike,
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Speaker 1: which she never even went in a bike store. She
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Speaker 1: had Gannon with her, but she forgot to take off
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Speaker 1: her Apple Watch. You want to find the crime scene
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Speaker 1: track that Apple watch? Tell me what she told you, Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she said that there had been some kind of wreck
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Speaker 1: that morning on the twenty seventh, so she decided to
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Speaker 1: take back roads to get I'm not sure Wench played
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Speaker 1: against sports she went to, but she did say she
39:17
Speaker 1: went to a play against sports, but ultimately ended up
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Speaker 1: in Castle Rock, where she planned to buy a bicycle
39:23
Speaker 1: for her husband. The bicycle was never purchased, but that
39:28
Speaker 1: was why she said it took so long that day
39:30
Speaker 1: to get back, because this was some kind of special
39:32
Speaker 1: bike that she had been searching around for online. She
39:35
Speaker 1: said she lived on Craigslist and other places in this
39:38
Speaker 1: particular place in Castle Rock had the special bicycle when
39:42
Speaker 1: she ended up not buying. Did she even go in
39:45
Speaker 1: the story? I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: So right there, Number one, get her computer records, cell
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Speaker 1: phone records, tablet records to find out if she ever
39:55
Speaker 1: did those bike searches and get the surveillance video from
39:58
Speaker 1: played against Sam's a the bike store in Castle Rock.
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Speaker 1: She claims she was going to track that Apple Watch
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Speaker 1: all the way through her trek. She intentionally left her
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Speaker 1: cell phone at home so she would not be tracked.
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Speaker 1: That tells me she was either planning to kill him
40:14
Speaker 1: that day in that trip or dispose of his body somehow,
40:19
Speaker 1: but she didn't. The body was disposed of in Florida.
40:23
Speaker 1: Track the Apple Watch people, if you want to find
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Speaker 1: a crime scene. To Nicole Fierro, reporter Fox thirty one, Denver,
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Speaker 1: what happens next? I know she's already attacked. This is
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Speaker 1: the stepmother has already attacked a deputy on the way
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Speaker 1: to the Colorado courtroom to face the murder charges. The
40:43
Speaker 1: deputy had to go to the hospital. So tell me
40:45
Speaker 1: what happens now? What's next? Nicole? Well, now we have
40:48
Speaker 1: another court appearance in April believe it's April fourteenth. Then
40:53
Speaker 1: with the whole coronavirus outbreak, we asked, is this going
40:57
Speaker 1: to have an impact? End? The DA says at this
40:59
Speaker 1: point he does napoly So it's going to continue and
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Speaker 1: we're waiting for that day in court right now. All
41:05
Speaker 1: of the documents are sealed. Our station and another a
41:09
Speaker 1: number of others have tried to find that. We put
41:12
Speaker 1: an appeal to try to get the arrest after David
41:14
Speaker 1: to get anything for the public's knowledge. We are still
41:18
Speaker 1: waiting to hear back on that. But I do want
41:21
Speaker 1: to point out something very interesting. You know, we were
41:23
Speaker 1: talking about that video earlier with the neighbor. In the
41:26
Speaker 1: statement to me, she addresses it and she basically shares
41:31
Speaker 1: what could be an excuse to why we don't see him.
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Speaker 1: She says that he had a side gate key to
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Speaker 1: the side door. She says that what else she said,
41:43
Speaker 1: She said Saturday night he cut his foot. She said
41:47
Speaker 1: that there's plenty of proof on her phone that she
41:50
Speaker 1: had taken a selfie in the truck, that if anyone
41:54
Speaker 1: had any skills, that they could look through the video
41:57
Speaker 1: and show he got out on the other side. Now
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Speaker 1: also sheriffs often about this and they would not give
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Speaker 1: us any information on that. We wait as justice unfalls.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you I know one person, Nicole Fierro
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Speaker 1: Fox thirty one, Denver, who will be in that Colorado
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Speaker 1: Springs courtroom April fourteen, as will we Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story signing off goodbye friend,