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The Government Is Bad (and Other Shocking Conspiracy News) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: Beary podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Who are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 2: You know what that makes us? Makes us? Your hosts?
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  Speaker 1: Who?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Deep? Huh pretty deep? Olivia?
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  Speaker 3: How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Happy post Halloween day? After Halloween? Did you get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of candy? I did?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I went trick or treating and my neighbors are like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: aren't you thirty five? What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And you just say no, my costume it's thirty five.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just up. It's a very realistic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a thirty five year old. Actually I went a
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  Speaker 3: little overboard, kind of looks about forty.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, we're not talking about anything Halloween related.
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  Speaker 2: We should have. I guess we just dropped the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There's not really any Halloween conspiracies to.
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  Speaker 3: Talk No, not really. I mean it's kind of all
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  Speaker 3: played out by Halloween itself. I feel like it's tough
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  Speaker 3: for any conspiracy to break through the mass of like
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  Speaker 3: especially now Halloween last the whole damn month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I guess last week's episode was kind of
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  Speaker 2: our Halloween episode with Alex Jones descending into the forest
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  Speaker 2: of northern California to show us a burning owl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about how it was kind of blair witchy,
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  Speaker 3: so it counts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good job us. Good enough. Now it's Thanksgiving time,
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  Speaker 2: so well, now it's election, my friend, Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing really conspiracy related to talk about around the election.
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  Speaker 3: Huh No, totally nothing at all.
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  Speaker 2: We're actually going to talk about some election related stuff
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  Speaker 2: because we're doing a conspiracy news round up. Every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while, I'll go to my RSS reader and
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  Speaker 2: just type the word conspiracy in and see what kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff comes up, and you'd be surprised. It's more
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  Speaker 2: than you'd expect. Sometimes, even some mainstream news stuff like
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  Speaker 2: this this first story from ScienceDaily dot com. Ever heard
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  Speaker 2: of science? Yes, it rules. It's very cool. I have
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  Speaker 2: a T shirt says science on it.
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  Speaker 3: I have a T shirt that says NASA on it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I do I have an ASA shirt. I'm
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  Speaker 2: wearing a Nirvana shirt right now. That's science. Hell yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So this first story truly unsurprising news, But thinking COVID
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  Speaker 2: is a hoax is a gateway to belief in conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories in general. Yeah, that means does sure super duper
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  Speaker 2: surprise me.
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  Speaker 3: Is not believing that COVID is a hoax, like believing
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  Speaker 3: in a conspiracy theory in itself? Is that not a
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I guess what they're getting at is that
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  Speaker 2: there are some people who just believe one conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this whole network. When you find out about one,
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  Speaker 3: there's always gonna be you're gonna find out about the other.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of how the internet's working now.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue that a belief in COVID being a
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  Speaker 2: hoax does speak to a person not having a high
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  Speaker 2: degree of critical thinking skills or not necessarily being able
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  Speaker 2: to ascertain if a source they're looking at is legitimate.
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  Speaker 2: So in that way, I could very much see a
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  Speaker 2: belief in COVID as a hoax leading a person to
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  Speaker 2: believe some of the more outlandish conspiracy things, because there
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  Speaker 2: are the true ones like Elvis faked is death, but
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  Speaker 2: then you know there's also the wild nonsense like Aliens
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  Speaker 2: did nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, hey, that's a good one way. We should
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  Speaker 3: do an episode about that one. But I do think
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  Speaker 3: maybe what they mean is that thinking COVID is a
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  Speaker 3: hoax is a gateway to belief in right wing conspiracies,
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  Speaker 3: because that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely would be a gateway. And also I
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  Speaker 2: could see it being an on ramp to election fraud
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  Speaker 2: conspiracies because that's a thing where a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: who believe the twenty twenty election was stolen, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them also think COVID was invented for that purpose,
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  Speaker 2: right to steal the election. And it's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for sure, come on, we got the CIA on our side.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need to create pandemics to steal elections.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting use of the word hour.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I
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  Speaker 2: always do that though. I always fall into wee an
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  Speaker 2: hour when I'm talking about the American government, because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it is my government, no matter what I get it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I didn't mean we, I just meant
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  Speaker 2: Olivia specifically. Yes, CIA is a specifically on Olivia's side.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, My handlers are very providing.
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  Speaker 2: Researchers as part of this study assassinated. Oh yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
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  Speaker 2: So In this study, researchers asked five hundred and one
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  Speaker 2: participants to answer questions assessing their beliefs in COVID conspiracies,
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  Speaker 2: political ideology, and something called conspiracist ideation. Does five hundred
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  Speaker 2: one people seem like enough?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It's tough with anything like this,
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  Speaker 3: with any sort of socials, it's gonna be tough to
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  Speaker 3: find a sample size that will satisfy everyone. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I don't think it could ever be big enough,
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  Speaker 3: and you're never gonna get a big enough one to
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  Speaker 3: accurately like totally. No, I don't think so. Five hundred
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  Speaker 3: and one is not very many. Yeah, I would think
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  Speaker 3: at least a thousand, But you know, I'm like a
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  Speaker 3: dummy and I have no brain for statistics or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So, and the questions they were asked there was a
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  Speaker 2: five point scale ranging from definitely not true to definitely true,
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  Speaker 2: and they were rating statements such as some UFO sidings
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  Speaker 2: and rumors are planned or staged in order to distract
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  Speaker 2: the public from real alien contact or new in advanced
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  Speaker 2: technology which would harm current industry is being suppressed. Is
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  Speaker 2: that last one? I mean, yeah, I guess it's a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. But we know that kind of stuff happens.
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  Speaker 2: There's that really famous story of the light bulb that
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  Speaker 2: does not burn out, and when the lighting industry heard
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  Speaker 2: of that, they were like, oh no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no no, We're gonna make light bulbs that burn out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I will say, not speaking to either of these examples,
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  Speaker 3: but like oftentimes on a survey like this, they will
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  Speaker 3: include questions on a spectrum of objective reality or you
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  Speaker 3: know whatever. Like they're not always saying if you say
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  Speaker 3: this is true, then that is a conspiracy theory. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's a spectrum, So I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: other questions are on there to see where these questions fall, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: on that spectrum or you know, or I don't know
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  Speaker 3: their methodology, but yeah, I mean, I would say my
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  Speaker 3: biggest problem with like the UFO one is it just
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  Speaker 3: goes a little too far. It's a little too specific.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like saying that the government is the purpose
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  Speaker 3: is to stage in order to distract the public from
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  Speaker 3: new alien contact instead of for another reason. Why, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they might stage an alien cut or whatever, Like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, it's kind of leading if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of stumbling.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, staging it to hide actual alien contact would be
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  Speaker 2: a weird choice.
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  Speaker 3: And right, like, I wouldn't probably I would not say
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  Speaker 3: definitely true. Yeah, I would do that question.
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  Speaker 2: I would if anything sighed more with the notion that
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  Speaker 2: maybe we fake some of it to make people think
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  Speaker 2: UFOs are real.
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  Speaker 3: But also I don't think COVID is a hoax, and
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  Speaker 3: so I'm obviously not the target audience. Excuse this survey, no,
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess we're gonna have to have a
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  Speaker 2: philosophical debate after this episode. But fine, yeah, nothing anyone
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  Speaker 2: would want to hear. We'll do that off the.
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  Speaker 3: Air, right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I would want to know is, was a
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  Speaker 2: previous belief in conspiracy theories also conducive to believe in
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  Speaker 2: COVID was a hoax?
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  Speaker 3: Right? It's interesting to posit a causal relationship between these
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  Speaker 3: two things without having a survey of these people before
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  Speaker 3: they believed that COVID was a hoax, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, we don't know whether they
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  Speaker 3: already held so like, then we don't know that the
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  Speaker 3: hoax theory is causing It's not a gateway, it correlates
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  Speaker 3: like it's not really causal.
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  Speaker 2: And there was actually another follow up survey to this one.
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  Speaker 2: This study was led by the seemingly fictional University of Nottingham,
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  Speaker 2: but apparently that's a real place.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, Robin Hood went there, Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Researchers there found that people who were subjected to workplace
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  Speaker 2: bullying are also more prone to conspiracy theory beliefs. So
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  Speaker 2: this dates back to when unpops started. We had a
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  Speaker 2: whole office. Every time I would walk past Olivia in
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  Speaker 2: the hallway, just fucking get shoved right into a fucking wall.
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  Speaker 2: And now here I am hosting the conspirac theory podcast totally.
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  Speaker 3: And it's totally cool and I'm fine with it.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually me and Olivia both getting thrown into the wall.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are. We just got me severely bullied.
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  Speaker 2: In those early on pop stays.
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  Speaker 3: It does make sense. I mean, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: it just kind of fits that view of the put
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  Speaker 3: upon beta basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Joker, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got Joker fired. You know, he got black pilled,
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  Speaker 3: he got all this stuff, clown build you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that makes sense because we also see that in kids
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  Speaker 3: you know, if a kid is bullied and outcast, that
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  Speaker 3: can lead to defined sanctuary and extremist groups. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it makes sense. That makes more sense
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  Speaker 3: than I mean, the COVID one makes sense. It's just
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's causal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the COVID one, I don't know how many
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  Speaker 2: people would have gone into thinking COVID as a hoax
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  Speaker 2: without already having some conspiracy theory belief under their belt.
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  Speaker 2: That's a weird one to start with. But also, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like I could see QAnon being
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people's starter conspiracy theory just because it's.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is definitely true.
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  Speaker 2: But in both cases, I think it's just because it's
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  Speaker 2: so prevalent online. Like COVID denial and QAnon both are
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  Speaker 2: like communities basically m hm. So I guess it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense that someone would start there. Yeah, I guess. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a quote from the Bullying Study. Bullying experiences can significantly
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  Speaker 2: impact the victim in numerous ways, with the development of
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy beliefs being another detrimental consequence. We believe victims of
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  Speaker 2: bullying may find conspiracy theories appealing because bullying experiences frustrate
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  Speaker 2: the exact psychological factors, such as disempowerment, that are a
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  Speaker 2: route to developing conspiracy beliefs. End quote. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Shut up, linger, Like all this fucking science, science, science, science,
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  Speaker 2: bullying conspiracy theories. Shut the fuck up before I give
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  Speaker 2: you a swirly.
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  Speaker 3: I do study bullying scientists can lead to conspiracy beliefs.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean that quote is what we and were
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  Speaker 3: just saying. Yeah, basically they have to say it in
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  Speaker 3: a science way. They're scientists.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. So much about conspiracy theories is
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  Speaker 2: not science. There's not that much science to it. I
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  Speaker 2: think people overthink it sometimes, and like, especially when you
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  Speaker 2: see articles about, oh, here's how conspiracy theory is spread online.
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  Speaker 2: It's like but information ziologists. Yeah, I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think people overthink it. I think people just don't
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  Speaker 2: trust the government sometimes, and I think sometimes it's warranted
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's not.
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  Speaker 3: For sure, I mean probably, But people got to study
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  Speaker 3: this shit, you know, they got someone has to. It
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  Speaker 3: just is interesting when they reach some conclusions.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's move into the criminal justice phase of
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  Speaker 2: this episode. Talk about some court happenings. For example, three
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  Speaker 2: men were convicted in the plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that a bunch of dudes wanted to abduct Michigan's
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  Speaker 2: smoking hot governor. Isn't she a Republican? Is she even
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  Speaker 2: a Democrat?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she's a Republican.
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  Speaker 2: And they're just mad that she's like, we, hey, maybe
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  Speaker 2: wear a mask, and they're like, we're going to fucking
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  Speaker 2: kidnap you and blow up the bridge to your summer home,
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  Speaker 2: which was part of the plot.
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  Speaker 3: You can't look around with extremists, like if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to go in and try to get their votes, then
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna get pissed off if you say or do
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  Speaker 3: literally anything that they disagree with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're called extremists for a reason, right, because they're
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  Speaker 2: pretty extreme.
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  Speaker 3: But no, Republicans keep courting the fashion. I'm sure nothing
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  Speaker 3: bad can come of that.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, definitely not. So the ship's finally hitting the
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  Speaker 2: fan over that debacle. Three men accused of taking part
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  Speaker 2: in the plot, Joe Morrison, no Relation, Pete Musico, and
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  Speaker 2: Paul Beller were all convicted of supplying material support for
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist act. When I said no relation, I meant
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  Speaker 2: to Jim Morrison. By the way.
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  Speaker 3: So they're not like Jim Belushi. They're not like they're
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  Speaker 3: they're unrelated.
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  Speaker 2: A little different. They were also found guilty on gun
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  Speaker 2: and gang charges, with prosecutors successfully arguing that the group
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  Speaker 2: they were part of, the Wolverine Watchman, was a criminal enterprise.
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  Speaker 2: That's a dumb name. I bet they had like Michigan
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  Speaker 2: football logos on their ship, because that's Michigan's that's a
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  Speaker 2: Michigan's mascot. Is the Wolverine?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm sure they're also like in Red Down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh was that a Red Dawn thing?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean the wolver was Wolverines and you know
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  Speaker 3: and red Don.
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  Speaker 2: That was the Oh right, Oh that's right. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen Red Dawn in a long long time.
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  Speaker 3: Like since high school. Probably. It's just a pretty good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the remake?
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  Speaker 3: I did see the remake with North Korea? Like were
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  Speaker 3: they c gied North Korea instead of China? But they
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  Speaker 3: still all Chinese actors.
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  Speaker 2: Korea's army can't afford to fly here. Get the fun?
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  Speaker 3: That was very fun. But like that was like a
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  Speaker 3: thing for a while, like in the early twenty tids
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  Speaker 3: people were like North Korea, they're gonna fucking they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: come get us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Yeah, sure that would end very well for them.
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  Speaker 2: I know, North Korea is a whole other thing. I
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  Speaker 2: have weird feelings on, Like, I'd probably be a little
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  Speaker 2: loosey goosey with my nuclear threats too if I was
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  Speaker 2: living in that.
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  Speaker 3: Also, just the Red Dawn narrative I just find interesting. Sure, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it pops up over and over again in different things,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, I always find it really interesting
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  Speaker 3: how it's pulled off. Yeah, Like, who the invading army is,
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  Speaker 3: how they invade, how people react, It's very I think
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  Speaker 3: interesting on the sociological level. Anyway, these guys.
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  Speaker 2: These guys, they are not accused of directly plotting to
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  Speaker 2: kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. Instead, prosecutors used evidence like social media posts,
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  Speaker 2: text messages, and secretly recorded conversations to paint the trio
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  Speaker 2: as dangerous anti government extremists pushed over the edge by
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  Speaker 2: COVID lockdown measures. Very interesting note in this article, the
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  Speaker 2: defense was prevented from arguing that the three were entrapped
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  Speaker 2: by undercover FBI agents who infiltrated the group. Because here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing, they almost certainly were.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very interesting. I had not the secret recording
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  Speaker 3: aspect of this, and that is quite interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's been one of the big rumblings around this
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  Speaker 2: case ever since it started going to court and people
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  Speaker 2: started going to trial for it, is that this is
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  Speaker 2: just another one of those examples of the FBI showing
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  Speaker 2: up to a group of people who probably did hold
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  Speaker 2: some extremist beliefs and being like, hey, you want to
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  Speaker 2: kidnap the governor of Michigan, and then when people say yes,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, ah, gotcha, you're under arrest. They did it
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  Speaker 2: a bunch After nine to eleven. There was a group
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  Speaker 2: in Buffalo, New York. They're called like the Buffalo Five,
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  Speaker 2: who were just like dudes who didn't necessarily love the
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  Speaker 2: United States, but they weren't right terrorists, And the FBI
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  Speaker 2: shows up with bomb making material and it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you want to help us put this together? And then
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  Speaker 2: once they do, they're like, all right, you're terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: So it happens over and over again. There's a great
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  Speaker 3: song by Laura Jaine Grace of Again Me about a
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  Speaker 3: group of people who were what do you call it, honeypotted? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a fucking FBI agent and yeah, it's fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's one of those really uncomfortable things
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  Speaker 2: where like after the mar Lago raid and all these
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  Speaker 2: people on the right are like, defund the FBI, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, but like twenty five years ago, like
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  Speaker 2: forever ago. I don't know if it speaks more to
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  Speaker 2: how shady the FBI is or to how shady the
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  Speaker 2: right is in the Trump administration, but it's like you
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  Speaker 2: have finally bumped up against the one possibly egregious FBI
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  Speaker 2: action also where I'm like, I don't give fuck, I
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  Speaker 2: don't care. Yeah, you motherfuckers have been putting up with
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  Speaker 2: the FBI killing progressives for decades, bomb in the fucking
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  Speaker 2: move house in Philadelphia, and now you want to defund
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  Speaker 2: the FBI. Fuck you too late, too late, motherfuckers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's the same with everything that the fucking
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  Speaker 3: right does. They don't have beliefs, right, really, they only
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  Speaker 3: have hatred, and so if something happens to them, they
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  Speaker 3: react by lashing out. And so yeah, this defund the
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  Speaker 3: FBI call is like a it's like a child having
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  Speaker 3: a tantrum. But also I'm like, yes, defund the FBI
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  Speaker 3: when people say defund the cops. They don't just mean
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  Speaker 3: like they're fucking city.
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  Speaker 2: Cops, right.
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  Speaker 3: Defund the FBI, Defund the CIA, Defund the NSA, Defund
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: the fucking TSA. Get rid of all of these motherfuckers.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even want PSAs anymore. I'll fucking tell
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you my life. I'll figure shit out on my own.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, it's one of those things where I know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: these three dudes, we are not aligned politically or ideologically
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: in any way, but when I hear their lawyers say, hey,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the FBI entrapped our client, I'm like, yeah, probably, Like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not enough of a leftist zealot that
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I would be like, no, uh, FBI wouldn't do that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: And like, I don't necessarily think that they wouldn't have
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: committed violence without being in trap And even if they
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: weren't in trapped, they definitely had an informant within their group. Oh, like,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: because that's how you get those secret recordings.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that there was an FBI informant within
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: this group, and that's their whole argument is, we weren't
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: thinking about any of this until old Yeah Joe Fed
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: showed up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And that's the classic story. Though, if you're in a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: fucking political group, you gotta be fucking careful. I'm not
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: saying it's never justified for there to be action taken,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: but make sure that you know where that idea is
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: coming from.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, they were probably set up. But I'll tell
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you who probably was not set up. Stuart Rose. Sure,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: oath Keeper's leader. Oh no, Olivia, terrible news out of Washington,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: d C.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: What He's healthy and safe.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: No, the seditious conspiracy trial had to be delayed because
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: he tested positive for COVID. Oh no, No, And that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: crazy because COVID's not even real if you're an oathkeeper,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: right do they is a thing?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: He's like, how did I get COVID? I'm not black exactly.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Stuart Rhodes. That's another thing where people are like, okay,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: but everyone inside the capitol they were all FBI. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that's a case where I'm like, no, probably not no
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: There are too many FBI agents.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That's a whole lot, like I'll buy and we have.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Way too much background on so many of them separate
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: from being in the FBI.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing what people don't take into account
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: about those January sixth. Those motherfuckers rioted in one of
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the most heavily surveilled areas in the country, Like, we
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: know what everyone looks like if there were a bunch
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of FBI agents in there agitating.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that guy from Mister Show.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: That's right. They were like Olympic swimmers.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Nuts, what the country?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Such a cross section of America coming together over their
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: shared desire to lynch Mike Pence.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: If they had done that, then I would still care
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: about January. Like it just was such a nothing. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: was so mad that nothing happened anyway.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, If anything, it felt like a test of what
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: our current facial recognition capabilities are, because you got a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: bunch of people at a time when we're all supposed
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to be wearing masks. Yeah, the best possible moment to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: wear a mask would be when you're storming the capitol,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and these motherfuckers were still too anti mask to wear
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: when storming the capitol.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was just a big test of all, right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: what are these facial recognition cameras we got, what can
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: they do? Let's see if we can identify every fucking person.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And I bet they did yeah, probably someday those photos
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: will be used to make trading card sets of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: people who storm the Capitol.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: When I imagine if you storm the Capitol and then
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: you did it get arrested by the FBI like six
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: months later, Like, how do you not live the rest
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of your life in total fear and paranoia? Yeacause like, oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I'm the one that they let go.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no, when are they coming for me?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Right? Or like they're just watching me for whatever I do.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So back to Stuart Rhodes. He's the leader of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the Oathkeepers. He is not accused of going in the Capitol,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: but he is accused of January sixth stuff and so
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: quarantine protocols they don't permit Roads to participate in his
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: trial via video conference or to be transported to the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: court for at least a week. But he does have
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the right to waive his in person presence during trial,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and he ended up just doing that, so he waived
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: his constitutional right to be present during the testimony of
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: eight government witnesses, who was his attorneys said were less
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: critical to his defense because they would speak to events
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: inside the Capitol and he's not accused of entering the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: capital here's the thing. Why didn't he enter the capitol? Yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you're the leader of the Oathkeepers. What were you doing?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He was jerking off outside?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I mean probably, yes, almost any of these fucking white
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: nationalists right wing groups, I don't think of their leaders
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: as paragons of bravery. I actually think of them as
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: people who are good at manipulating other people into being
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: paragons of bravery.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But also, I don't know, maybe he's a fucking maybe
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: he's a fit. There will not be a single accusation
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: you can make against Steward Roads of the Oathkeepers that
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I would not at least consider. I mean, that might
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: be true.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: It would absolutely be the easiest way to keep an
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: eye on the most extreme element in this country would
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: be for law enforcement to just set up their own
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: right wing group.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Sure, which but also the government is right wing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's the whole thing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: But also it might just be in it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: But a right wing government, it doesn't have room for
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: right wing Oh yeah, agitators like it's still gonna happen
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to care a military wing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown dot substack dot com. I just wrote
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: an article about how we should stop arguing about whether
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the United States is becoming fascist. We have always been fascist, absolutely,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: been a moment when we weren't.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Do you know how many days of detention I got
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: as a kid for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Yeah, like, yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I never said it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: That's one of the tenets of fascism is romantic symbolism
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and this extreme nationalism. And people are like, we don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: have that. It's like, the fuck we don't.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: The fuck we don't.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: If nothing else, we've had it in full force since
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the first War in Iraq.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, ever since my whole life.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been that after that. I'm not joking at
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: all when I say there was the dream Team at
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety two US Olympics.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: We've been a highly fascist, highly patriotic country for yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: as long as most of the people I know have
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: been alive.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And it's just gone into overdrive after nine to eleven.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: My sister doesn't know a country that isn't like this. Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it's awful.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad times. Road still sucks and Stuart Roads
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: fucking sucks.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's never he dies of COVID.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That one would be awfully funny, but yes, yeah, for
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: these seditious conspiracy charges. He's facing a maximum penalty of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: twenty years in prison, and I'm assuming he'll get something
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: more along the lines of probation and then he'll like
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: assassinate an elected official a few years later. Maybe I'm
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: interested to see how this plays out and what kind
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of sure charges he does get because I joke about
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: him not going inside, but I think he's kind of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: accused of being the general of it and like directing shit,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: which is that's what people in charge of militaries do,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: is they order them around from a safe distance.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Right. If he's the leader of the oathkeepers, then decent
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: percentage of people who were inside the building were there
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: at his behest. Yeah, if nothing else.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about some good news for a change, Olivia. Okay, finally,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the two Thousand Mules book is available in stores.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, Okay, I gotta, I gotta preorder it. Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's available at Barnes and probably?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I mean NPR found the banned version of it in
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble. Sh this book? Oh man, we did
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: an episode about the movie version of two Thousand Mules,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: which is yes, we did Denesh Desuza's highly respected and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: flawlessly researched twenty twenty election fraud documentary.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That was co starring Sebastian Guerca and Charlie Kirk right.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Right right, and a dog who had his face blurred out.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: That's still the absolute best moment from that documentary. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: here the dog's face to protect us. I donate that
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: was Alex Jones.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, but I mean that's is much more spoken.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. You weren't on the episode
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: where we talked about this book being recalled that I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: recorded with Andy Sell, So you weren't there when we
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: mentioned that. After two thousand Mules came out, it was
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: noted that all of the scenes of Denesh Desuza filming
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: in his home and in his office, not his home,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: not his office. He just like staged all of that,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and it's like, you have a home, what's happening there
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that you can't just film there?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And when they asked him about it, he was just like, movies, man,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: some movies work. That is how Denesh Desuza talks. Well
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: mane just.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Movies make mom man movies man.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Fit creole accent on Denesh Desuza.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: That is blowing my mind. It's so weird that part
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: is fake. Oh my god.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a weird thing to fake.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Why not just have that on your set? Why just
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: have that happen on your set. You've got this whole
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: newsroom set. Oh my god, that movie is so shitty.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So this book came out and uh huh, it was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: announced that it was coming out, and there's this immediate
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: recall and NPR actually drove around La traffic. They said
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: they were in La traffic for nine hours, just going
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: bookstore to bookstore looking for one who would have fucked
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: up and put those books out early before they got recalled.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And they found a copy at a Barnes and Noble
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: in the San Fernando Valley, And so they know what
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: was in the book before it was recalled.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: That's funny. Why was it recalled?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Well, first, here's a quote about what was changed compared
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to the version they found at that Barnes and Noble.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Most notably, a passage in the recalled version of the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: book that accused specific named nonprofit organizations of involvement in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: illegal ballot trafficking has been rewritten, softening certain claims and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: outright removing the names of the groups end quote. The
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: NPR article also mentions that sections that purported to link
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter and Antifa to election fraud were removed.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And the obvious reason, like they even said it back
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: at the time, is if this book comes out the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: way it's written, Denesh Jeseuz is getting sued into a boot. Yes,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: because he is naming names and making these borderline treasonous
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: claims about these groups with.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Very little yeah in print, right, Well, what the.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Things he's accusing them of? I mean, hmm, libel on
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: his part for sure, But they're being accused of fixing
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the fucking presidential election. That's not minor, Like if that
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: was proven to be true, that is not a thing,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Like you wouldn't get a slap on the wrist for that,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Like you're getting stoned in the town square. So what's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: especially damning about this, though, is back in July, a
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: person who watched Two Thousand Mules told Denesh Desuza that
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: he wanted to see more evidence and would.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Be because there's no evidence in the movie itself.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could have something to do with it. The
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: million hours of video footage and we get to see
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: three minutes of it. Yeah, And his response was that
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the book version was coming out soon and that he
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: was gonna name names. This is a tweet from July.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I am going to reveal the names of several of
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: these nonprofit stash houses in my book two thousand Mules.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And so now all those names have been removed. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that question from July still stands, can we see this evidence?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And also, I just you know, it seems like video
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: evidence would make more sense for a movie than the book.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: But hey, I'm not the multi best seller Danish to
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: sus this, so what do I know. I do think
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: it's funny that he thinks of Antifa as an organization. Still,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: that's just funny, Like it's like a place that has
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: like a leader that you can like get in trouble,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: who like colludes with shit. Like that's not how that works. Sorry, man.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: An ideology sure does not denesh And he was in
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: trouble in this regard even before the book came out,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: because the group who provided most of the information for
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the two Thousand Mules movie is called True the Vote,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: and they executive produced the movie.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: They supplied a lot of the evidence for it, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: They even distanced themselves from the book before it came out.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: This is a quote from them. True the Vote had
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: no participation in this book and has no knowledge of
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: its contents. This includes any allegations of activities of any
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: specific organizations made in the book. We made no such allegations.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: That's so bad for Denes de Susa.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Which organization got a pre release copy of this book
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and called the net Jsuza and True the Vote and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: threatened to sue them if this was published. It has
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to be that. It's got to be, because I want
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to know which one.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It obviously got to the point where the book had
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: been published, like it had been printed and was shipped
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: off the stores because Barnes and Noble had one.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's post movie being released because nothing is named,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: no organizations are named in the movie. But True the
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Vote is all over the fucking movie. They are all
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: over the movie.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Actually, I wonder if it is this next group that
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I'm about to mention, I should also mention though in
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the book. Now instead of those specific allegations, Denesh Desuza
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: just says, quote True the Vote shared their names with
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: me and has offered to make them available as needed
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. End quote. Sure, sure, sure,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: but also I bet this is the group that may
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: be caused this. In the film version, it's claimed that
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: True the Vote used a database from the Armed Conflict
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Location and Event Data Project to make a connection between
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Ballot Mules and Black Lives Matter and Antifa. That group,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project, before the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: book even came out, went public and demanded a correction
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: from Denesh Desuza over that claim. This is a quote,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this is not the type of analysis you can use
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: ACLED data for and it is highly unlikely that these
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: conclusions have any basis in fact. And that was before
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the book came out, and now they're not mentioned in
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the book at all.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, I probably had that for the episode about the movie,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: because that just is everything we were fucking saying about
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: that data that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And what's funny is like they spent so much fucking
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: time in that movie explaining how they got all the
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: information and it's not creepy at all, and then the
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: company that does this for real is like, look, it's creepy.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's creepy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: You can't use the data for that I've read articles
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: with people since that movie came out who were like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I was probably part of that data because I drive
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to and from work past that dropbox all the time.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of campaigning in the area.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So there's no way that person wasn't included as a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: ballot mule in this insane fucking movie. But what sucks
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: is this movie he's gonna do its job.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: The people who want to believe the twenty twenty election
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: were stolen, they're not gonna listen to this podcast and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: be like, well that Adam and Olivia they said Denes
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Deeseuz is full of lies. No, they're just gonna believe it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Are they even gonna read the book? You probably just
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: own it because you watch the movie.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I doubt many people are even gonna
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: read the book.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one's gonna know that this happened. No
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: one who is not us cares about these things being
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: factually accurate. Like you said, the target audience doesn't give
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a shit about any of this legal stuff. They don't care,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and ever since I had to sign up for
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Denish de Seuz's fucking on locals or whatever, so we
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: could watch this goddamn movie. He is relentless with emails
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and oh, I'm doing a live stream. Like you can tell.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: He's just constantly in these motherfuckers ears with all of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: his claims and all of his proof, and yeah, they're
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not listening to any of this shit. They don't care
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that the book was recalled. It's fun that it's been
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: recalled and that all these people are calling it into question,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: but it's not going to help.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: No, And we think it's fun. And I bet if
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: anybody on the quote unquote other side liam's about this,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: they think it's funny too. Like they either get mad
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: about it, which feels their you know, craziness, or they
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: think it's funny because their brain is poisoned, right, And
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: so they're like, Ah, we got the libs mad with
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: this one.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: They're running, let's talk about this next story. Yes, this
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: one is fascinating to me, but I don't know, probably
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: not for the reason it's supposed to be. There's a
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: new report from the human rights group Global Witness and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the Cybersecurity for Democracy team at New York University. You know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the one that shows that Facebook and TikTok they held
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to block paid advertisements spreading misinformation about voting in the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two midterm elections. That part I don't find
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: fascinating or surprising at all. I find it very run
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: of the mill. What I find fascinating is that they
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: actually ran this experiment on three platforms, one of them
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: being YouTube, and that YouTube actually passed and did manage
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: to block all of the misinformation that this group tried
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to post.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Has YouTube gotten better? Like? Is the algorithm not as
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: shitty anymore? That might be cool.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: It seems possible. What happened for this test, Global Witness
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: created dummy accounts on all three platforms and attempted to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: run ten identical advertisements on each platform in both English
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and Spanish. And each of those ads contained quote outright
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: false and misleading election misinformation end quote, as opposed to
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the other kind of misinformation, which is true and helpful.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I guess the ads contain lies like you have to
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: be vaccinated to vote, or that you have to vote
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: twice for it to count. That's good writing right there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Whoever came up with these ads put some thought into it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I like that, And other ads just gave incorrect dates
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: for when voting was going to take place, and all
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: of the ads targeted battleground states, and all of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: ads clearly violated all three platforms policies. YouTube not only
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: was the only of those three platforms that blocked all
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: of the ads, it also blocked all of the accounts
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: that tried to run those ads.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: That's good, Yeah, this is a quote.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: YouTube's performance in our experiment demonstrates that detecting damaging election
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: information isn't impossible. But all the platforms we studied should
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: have gotten an A on this assignment. And since we're
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: talking about YouTube being the best, we should talk about
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: how TikTok if you can believe it was the absolute worst.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: M They claim they don't even allow political advertising on
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: their platform, sure, whatever, But the only ad they managed
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to block was the one that claimed you had to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: be vaccinated against COVID to vote. Everything else got through,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and they also did not block any of the accounts
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that posted those ads.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Right, go figure, great. I don't know anything else about TikTok.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I've never used TikTok. I'm too old.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I briefly had set up and un pops TikTok
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and had someone else running it. But now I don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: trust it. I don't trust TikTok at all.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just not my vibe for one thing.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: So I just don't know the details about how it
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: works there. But I do know that people like them
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: saying that they don't allow political like they almost have
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a very specif a definition of political advertising. Yeah, because
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: there is definitely political shit all over TikTok, which is fine,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I gues. I mean, you know, it's a social media platform,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: but still.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they don't get enough criticism for
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the same kind of shit like Twitter and YouTube and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Facebook get criticism for.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Well. I do think it's a demographic problem, kind of
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: a unique thing. I mean, obviously, you know, older people
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: do use TikTok, but the user bases I have to
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: assume overwhelmingly young people.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And I think that is a big part of it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it as well, young people
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: use it. How bad can it be?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Well, not just how bad can it be? But like
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the people who are paying attention, like reporting on these things.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: You know, reporters have a Twitter account, reporters have YouTube,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: they have access to Facebook or whatever. I don't know
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: how many reporters have tiktoks. You know, again, I'm speaking
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: out my ass here, but it's just kind of what
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: my gut tells me about it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows, But who knows. The question that probably
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: everyone wants an answer to is no, these heads were
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: not actually shown to any users. Once good they were approved,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the researchers removed them immediately.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Well that's good.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just I found it interesting that YouTube
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: did as well as it did. Maybe they knew. Yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: maybe someone tipped them off, like when you own a
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: restaurant and someone's like, hey, a food reviewer's coming tonight
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: on your toe.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I will say my YouTube algorithm has felt less fucked
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: up by the shit that I watched for this podcast
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: than usual, you know what I mean?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Mine, Like, I don't.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Get as many recommendations for awful right wing shit or
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: just crazy people. Yeah, I get more actual recommendations.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: It's just Bohemian Grove movies now.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did just get a guy after
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: doing the Bohemian Grove episode. I did get a guy
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: who had like twenty different videos on his page that
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: were just about how the pyramids dominate every aspect of
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: our lives. Because I watched all of them. They were
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: like a minute each.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Were you convinced?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: No, oh, no, not at all. But it was interesting
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: to see this man's sickness.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Uh this next story. Of all the scandals involving China,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: none has hit closer to home for me than the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Huawei spying scandal.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Well, we're just all in on Huawei right now.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: The thing is back when the government first started railing
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: against Huawei phones and how the Chinese government could use
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: them to spy on us, I immediately bought a Huawei
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: phone because my first thought was this sounds like you
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: can't spy on me with this phone. And that's the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: real problem because I'm just barely a Chinese dissident if
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: at all. So if they need to spy on me,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that's a okay. I don't want the American government spying
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: on me, and so my immediate thought was, Okay, I'm
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: going to get a Wawei phone. It was almost like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: you know, your parents tell you not to do something,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: so you're like, okay, well, I'm obviously going to do
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that now that you told me not to. And Olivia,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. It's still maybe the best goddamn phone
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I've ever owned. Yeah, they make a really good phone.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I believe, still the number two smartphone maker in the world.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Everywhere else, Huawei phones are perfectly acceptable and widely used,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: and it's just here that we don't allow them because
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: we claim it's because the Chinese government could spy on us,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: but we really just I guess the mainstream argument would
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: be that the United States wants their companies to build
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: all the five G infrastructure in this country. I think
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: they just don't want rural areas to get five G
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: too soon, and Huawei is already putting all that shit
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in So yeah, whatever the case.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: But like, you can buy it. It's not like it's banned.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You can, but it's a lot harder now. Sure they
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: were never like widely marketed in the United States, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I think even like on Amazon, now I don't know
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: if you can even buy them anymore. And god damn it, it
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: was such a good phone. It was like having an
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: iPhone at like Android prices. It was so nice.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: And I've got the Samsung, which is like having an
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Android iPhone prices, but I do like it.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I have an iPhone. I finally broke down
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and I switched over to an iPhone when I got
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: my last.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I'm all about the Android. I'm all in. I got
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: a Samsung computer for school. I got a Samsung earbuds.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Oh I like Samsung.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I'm big. I love the Samsung. Shit. I can't help it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: It just works for me.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they make a good product. So anyway, the Huaweie,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the Huawei scandal. It eventually culminated in Canada arresting the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: CEO of Huawei and having her extradited to the United
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: States to face like spying charges. And that's what this
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: most recent development is about. Two Chinese intelligence officers apparently
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: tried to bribe a US law enforcement official to get
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: information about the case against the Huawei CEO. I don't
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: think I care. On the list of things intelligence agencies
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: across the board have done, this seems like page one.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Like you open the book. You're an intelligence agent. You
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: open your manual to find out what you do in
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: this situation to get information. And the first thing it
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: says is have you offered him sixty one thousand dollars
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: in bitcoin? And you go, oh, no, I haven't tried that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: You slide a stack of bitcoin across the table and
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: see what happens, and that's what happened here, and it
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: didn't work. Turned out it was a double agent who
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: was also working for the FBI.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Then we'll see that. I'll get you now, I'll get you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I mean whatever. This sounds like, yeah, like you said,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: intelligent shit. I think it's crazy that Canada arrested this
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: corporation ceo, an accuser of spying, and then center to us, which.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Is yeah, because because Canada. There's a reason people flee
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: to Canada. Yeah, it's because they don't usually extradite people
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: back and like.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And look, not to speak ill of the American prison system,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: but I hear it's not great. I don't think it's
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: world class. I'm pretty sure it's bottom of the barrel.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The whole Huawei thing just seemed weird to me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: It feels more like like a favor to American telecommunications
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: companies to keep Huawei from getting all the five G
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: infrastructure in place before they were able to.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I mean that wouldn't surprise me necessarily, I don't know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: but it definitely is weird.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, damn it. They make a nice phone, all right.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: This next story Newsmax bands Lara Logan after QAnon rant.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: You always love when you hear a band from newsnext story. Yeah,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: we watched the Fuck of My billow Guy documentary where
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: they distanced themselves from it. Like it's always fun because
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: you know you're getting some wild shit.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're trying to be like the moderate
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Nazi network and it's like there's no such thing. Just
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: stop it. Yeah, Lara Logan is a complicated figure. It's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I know we're supposed to just immediately
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: hate everyone who says anything QAnon related, but also, like,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: fuck off, Lara Logan has been through some shit sure,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and by that I mean she was, according to her account,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: brutally gang raped during an Arab spring celebration in Egypt,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and the details of that, at least according to her
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and the people who were with her, are fucking horrifying, right,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: But it also seems like people don't necessarily believe her.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's complicated when you spend your career promoting
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: hatred against a bunch of different groups of people, including
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: people who belong to the group who you say attack
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: you Like that's a classic racist tactic. And so as
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: much as it is believe women and I'm not saying
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that nothing happened to her. I'm definitely not saying that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: But you know, you have to expect a little bit
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: of skepticism if you are feeding into the racist machine
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: in the way they.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Are, right. The thing is, the skepticism started before she
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: started feeding into the racist machine. Sure there's a twenty
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: fourteen New Yorker article or New York magazine. Now I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: gonna get sued New York Magazine article that she eventually
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: filed a defamation suit over because it described what happened
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: to her as she had her clothes torn off and
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: she was groped, And that is a radically different description
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: of events than what Laura Logan and people she was
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: with say happened. So I don't know. If it happened
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the way it did and her media colleagues downplayed it,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I could see why she would be upset. I guess
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily a reason to embrace QAnon.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm also not sure there's not some PTSD issues involved.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe, And I'm sure a lot of people who believe
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: in hateful theories have similar trauma, not maybe not similar.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Noah have suffered trauma, but like, I'm sorry, a lot
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of people have suffered and don't become right wing avatars.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not apologizing for Laura Logan. I'm not
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: saying you are being what she is now. Yeah, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: just I think I, like a lot of other people,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: wonder how it happened the way it did because she
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: used to be like she used to be on fucking
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: sixty minutes. I mean, a lot of it has to
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: do she filed a report on ben Ghazi that people
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: called into question, and it seems like a lot of
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: it started kind of going downhill after that. But that
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: was also post Arab Spring incident. But now she's full QAnon,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like yes all the way. Like again, she got banned
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: from Newsmax.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: That takes a look.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: What Yeah, this is her quote in full. Here we go.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I'll just read the fucking quote. God believes in sovereignty
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: and national identity and the sanctity of family and all
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the things that we lived with from the beginning of time,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and he knows that the open border is Satan's way
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: of taking control of the world through all of these
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: people who are his stooges and his servants and they
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: may think that they're going to become gods. That's what
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: they tell us, you know, the ones who want us
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: eating insects, cockroaches and that while they dine on the
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: blood of children. Those are the people, right, They're not
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: gonna win. They're not gonna win. God damn Laura Logan.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It sounds like she's describing snow Piercer.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also sounds like she wants to be
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the one dining on the blood of children. She's like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: why do I gotta eat the roaches while they're drinking
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: kids and blood?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: That's not fair?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Where's my l fair point?
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Didn't that absolutely kids? Yeah, that's crazy that there's just
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: nothing else. I mean, she's just obviously disturbed in some
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: way and is fully in on this shit. It's kind
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: of sad, but it's happened so many times that I
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: just can't get too upset when someone falls to the
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: dark side.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in this case, I mean, I'm not upset. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: think it's shocking that anyone gets banned from Newsmax. Yes,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: that's more the thing. Yeah, I don't know. Her fucking
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: character arc has been fucking wild.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I just God believes in sovereignty and national id. What
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: a boring God you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Have, I know, And it's that same American exceptionalism, fucking
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: narcissistic bullshit where it's like, mm hmm, you think God
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: cares that much about the southern border of the United States?
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Fuck off? What version of God are you thinking of?
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: The one that blesses the USA? Obviously the Yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: The American Christian God, which is all of that's what
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing Christian nationalism has become. I think
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be like the global problem because that's such
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: a convenient umbrella for all these fucking hate groups to
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: align under.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Ethno nationalism and Chrysto fascism. You know, you say that
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: America is a fascist nation. It's a Chrysto fascist nation. Yeah,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: we have a Judeo Christian fascist oligarchy basically pretty much. Cool.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yay, all right, let's close on something that I think
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: crosses party lines we can all agree most importance, the
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Biden administration has been sued over the delayed release of
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: jfk assassination files. There's got to be something in those
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: files at this point. It's a nonprofit group that's suing
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the Mary Farrell Foundation, which keeps a comprehensive online database
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: of records related to the JFK assassination. In the suit,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: lawyers a nineteen ninety two federal law, the President John F.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act, which set October twenty seventh,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, as the deadline for the government to make
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: records related to the incident available to the public. Trump
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: was in office when that happened, and he just decided
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: to push it back to twenty twenty one, which is
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: kind of funny.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very almost like kick the can.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just kick it down to Biden right before the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: fucking mid terms, halfway through his presidency. And when that
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: date came around, Biden signed another memo and delayed the
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: release until December twenty twenty two, after the midterms. And
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: so this group, I guess, wants those records to come
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: out immediately, because it's almost December twenty twenty two, it is,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that's not that far away. There's gotta be some crazy
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: shit in those records.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but also like if there was, then
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't whoever was I don't know, could the people
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: who were implicated not do anything to these records? So
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that when they're released, it's not implicating. I don't know.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could be going back and redacting
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: them more. But I think then what's the point of release.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: They have done that before twenty seventeen. Honestly, at this point,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: if I were Biden, I would push it back to
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: November of twenty twenty three, because then it's sixty years.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, rush it back clean, push it back to thirty
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: twenty three.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I just I cannot presently care about the JFK assassination,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: like I get it as like an intellectual like I'm
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: not anti assassination conspiracy theories. It just it's sixty years.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I wonder if there's something in
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: it that would maybe lead to like a domino effect
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: where we find out, oh, that's how the JFK assassination happened. Right,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: maybe we should look into Malcolm X and MLK and
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: well Bobby Kennedy because the Bobby Kennedy assassination is the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: shadiest of them all.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's interesting that both times it's gotten delayed
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: to past a midterm election, which makes you think it's
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: gonna be something that like Biden or Trump would think
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: would sway a midterm election, but again, like Trump's a Republican,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Biden's a Democrat, what would the information possibly be and
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: how would it sway a midterm? And also, is there
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: any sort of news, especially sixty year old news, that
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: would sway someone's voting preference right now?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: There could be fucking I don't know.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I guess there could be, but I don't know what.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It would What if it says the FBI did it?
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: But then how is that affecting the midterm?
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, the midterm thing could just be coincidence,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: but there has to be a reason they keep.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: But he delayed it to right after the midterm, right.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: So again, the midterm thing could be incidents or yeah,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: maybe it's something he thinks will sway it. But there's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: gotta be fucking something in there.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Baby, I don't know, I would. I'm sure we're doing
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: an episode about whatever's in there.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pending our lawsuit if the records ever come out,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I still.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Really will December hopefully.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I still really want more information about Bobby Kennedy. That
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: is the weirder. I get that Sir Hans Sirhan didn't
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: like the guy, but he also was not in close
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: enough physical proximity to fire the shot that killed Bobby Kennedy.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: He was shot at point blank range behind his left ear.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans Sir Han didn't get to within point blank
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: range of Bobby Kennedy at all. There's video like that's known. Yeah,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: so someone else killed him, but we'll never know who.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was the security guard who was walking
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: him through the kitchen, but we'll never know.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Who it was. The Yeah, the LAPD, I mean right,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: I thought that was I think it's am I just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: like saying that's going to give people mad at me.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: No, the security guard who was walking him through the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: kitchen was like a right wing type and LAPD. So
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I think we've reached the end of the episode. Do
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: we have anything to plug before we get out of here?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, you can plug going back. It's our Lost Rewatch podcast.
• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:42
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: about the souvenir program from the Bobby Kennedy assassination that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I bought at the Reagan Library, Vintage Vintage, among other things.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I might write an article about flame and hot mountain dew.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You know that was a thing. God, Oh yeah, people.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Need it just made my stomach hurt. You saying that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: people need to.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Quit acting like flaming hot cheetos or some kind of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: delicacy a fucking life.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, it's become like a personality trait
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: for people. I just like the taste, that's it. It's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: a snack.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I refuse to take shit about eating at
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Arby's from people who stand in line for two hours
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: to eat a chicken sandwich coated in flame and hot cheetos.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: It's like I would also refuse to take shit from
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: those people. Honest.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: That's that's not gourmet food. That is Midwest fair food
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: at best. Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: So the Midwest fair food usually doesn't have hot cheetos.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's starting to now, but I hope not yet.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Give me that fucking corn dog. That's all I want.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I want a corn dog the size of a baby arm.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Corn dogs, the best walk in taco, walking, taco, bag of.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Chips, a fork. Hell yeah, let's go to a fair.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go to jazz Fest and Sioux Falls. It's actually fair.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: The state fair here in India.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Actually very fun. So yeah, Adam tod Brown out substock
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: dot com. I think that's it. Let's get out of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: here Olivia. Say goodbye, bye, goodbye everybody.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: We love you people,