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Talks to Nathan Bottomley (in person!) about his choice of Meglos (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to answer with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. It's quite refreshing to say
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  that, after all these hammers director has not been doing.
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  Yeah, this is a very special recording today.
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  Are, why is that Nathan? Because, although, it turns out
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  of the last few days, we've recorded quite a lot of
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  podcasts. This is actually our first
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  hamster, Main Range podcast that we've ever recorded together in
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  With basically, ditched off Doctor Who now?
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  We talk about other things. Yeah.
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  That's that's, that's what made us, you know.
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  Yeah, I know. Today we are talking about, I
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  think is underrated. I think it's underrated to make
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  loss. Yeah.
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  And we'll talk about what who a lot seventh season 18 J&T lot of
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  wolfensberger all adds up. But before we get into that, I
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  want to ask you a question, okay?
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  And I know it's okay. Occasionally sort of how you
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  throw out things outside of Doctor Who, hmm.
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  He can to Doctor Who won't ask a correction directly.
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  And that is what the hell does podcasting mean to you and how
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  has podcasting change your life. Um, so I was invited on flights,
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  are entirety back in like 20 40 so I invited her well known and
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  so it's it's invited me. On and we just sort of sit
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  around a table and talked about the pilot episode.
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  Like I think the original plan was to watch a season and then
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  do an episode on it. So we're going to have 26
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  episodes of the show. Now we're 253 episode being 253.
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  Yeah how long is a and run time so it's something like nine or
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  ten days continuously there's quite a lot of crap that people
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  can spend an entire week the way to you.
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  Yeah yeah sleep provided they don't know.
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  Detour and and it never occurred to us.
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  I don't think it occurred to any of us.
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  That anyone would really listen to it.
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  And since that time it seems like a, it seems ridiculous to
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  think that sitting down in front of a microphone and talking
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  about the Doctor Who pilot would change your life.
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  But it's like a it's like, you know, it's taking a job or
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  Having a first date level of importance when it comes to how
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  my life has changed. And so, you know, I I met, I've
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  met so many people as a result. Hello, hey.
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  And like, just wonderful people as well.
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  I remember the first time we were like, um Steven B who's B
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  normal person who's absolutely superb.
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  He got in touch with this, he was the first person ever to get
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  in. Touch with us and say, do you on
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  who actually met dark and it was kind of like what's I mean I
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  know I'm some people person people who listen to a doctor
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  who bagas but I was going to what someone who listens to talk
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  to. But yeah, and person I've met
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  through. It has been, you know, charming
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  and funny and just wonderful. And what's a joy as either while
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  they've got this sort of knit that all these opinions.
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  Like I don't know why I'm ready to sort of come out.
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  Yeah. So yeah.
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  So it's Early life changing experience like agreeing to go
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  on a first date with Calvin or you know, taking my current job
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  which I had been doing since 1994 in 2014 is an absolute kind
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  of it's a ceased sliding doors. Well yeah, or it's a fixed point
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  in time, you know, like I was always going to sort of take
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  that and it really has changed my life and even even to the
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  people in Australia who I knew and was friends with with
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  working on a long-term project together means that we see.
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  What means that we see one another all the time and that
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  we've become closer as well. So it's literally, yeah.
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  Life-changing, if you do hear any Drilling and the background
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  is the renovations that have been occurring for the last six
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  months in my neighbor's help. You know, that's what I just
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  hear this time a little bit and it's true and like, you know,
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  you would be here today. No, Abby, we please Focus right
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  now. Yeah.
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  So I mean, you heard about me through flight, in flight
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  through entire and he and then I heard from you, it was the first
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  of October maybe the 2nd of October my time 2020, I remember
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  saying to somebody what I started listening to podcasts
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  was to fly for entirety into R2 and heard of that it was your
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  voice and it was marks voice. And I said yeah.
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  One day I'm going to talk to Nathan Boston and I would have
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  talked to Mark Rawlins, how that endowment?
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  Pretty good landed up with her boyfriend, an internal husband.
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  Yeah. And it also does mean that we
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  get to talk about insane pieces of ephemera like in May gloss.
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  Yeah, yeah and re-evaluate that one.
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  You said to me, that sort of the joy of my podcast is that if
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  there is somebody who loves everything.
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  Yeah. So you've got that person who
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  had or space museum. It hasn't been easy.
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  It's really good. So time monster.
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  That's great too. We had a pretty major and yeah,
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  big loss. So do you remember first
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  watching this? Yeah so in Australia they held
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  back season 18 until season 19 was ready because they wanted to
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  Because we used to get it like five nights a week or four
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  nights a week and so they would burn through a whole season
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  about five weeks. And so we would just have lots
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  and lots of repeat and Tom had been the doctor forever and we'd
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  seen all of his stories over and over again.
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  And Iran would literally be bribing Australia's to send you
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  out of pahs. Please send these back to where
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  I came from in the first place. So I remember I remember Return
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  to watch season 18. So I think the first actual
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  thing that I watched, It's either 15 or 16 screen for the
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  first time on Australian TV. And so I was aware that I was
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  sitting down for a new season and I sat down and I saw the
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  opening credits, to Leisure Hive part 1 and thought.
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  This must be an ad for dr. Vincent, this is a doctor who is
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  not the house. Star we used to know and I
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  remember being absolutely flawed by the Leisure Hive and I think,
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  you know, Sy heart and I agree that that's one of the greatest
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  stories in classic Doctor Who but there's a whole new look for
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  this season and I think even though it's not as visually
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  stylish as The Ledger Hive because nearly nothing is not
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  until Tiffany. Karan comes along.
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  I think in the new series this is still the new look and I see
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  Deal. Think there are ya ambitious
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  interesting visual things that this star way and I've watched
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  some sort of special features in the last couple of days.
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  I've been sort of Blown Away by how colorful costuming as the
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  lighting is pretty good in this and it's you know and this is a
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  question that we've been also. I won't ask this to you now.
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  Oh I kind of think Tara's Dudley might be a better director than
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  he is ricer but yeah maybe that's true laughing.
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  That's some tough moments in this short, you know, runs
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  class. Like Doctor.
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  Who's? Yeah, of course.
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  Do you think this is the most dramatic change in style and
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  tone holes on I-12 the Leisure? Hi, I think there's a couple of
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  contenders, I think you've obviously got, like War Games to
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  spare, as we can from space. Also, like, Dragonfire to
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  remembrance, I think, massive shift.
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  It is kind of a massive shift, but I think that's in sort of
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  level of skill because they're still producing the same kind of
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  show. And I don't know, Julie, I don't
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  think the look is White as different.
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  I mean Meg loss is perhaps most like the most like a series 70,
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  the sure. Yeah, a lot of this is plate for
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  Laughs. Yeah, a little great way but
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  just the the you know, they're super Keen to make it
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  televisual. I think that what John
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  nathan-turner does when he comes along and it's super evident in
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  the Leisure Hive is it's not just a play that we're going.
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  To point cameras at it's a televisual experience, and the
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  kinds of special effects that we see here aren't film affects
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  their TV, special effects, that could only be done on TV.
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  But as good as they can do at the time with the, yeah, they've
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  got like, he's, he says about the sort of late, Greg Williams
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  era, there was a sort of that'll do that'll shoot.
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  Yeah, we're not doing that anymore.
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  We're going to, you know, and you know later in the season,
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  when you get like the location working full circle image, In
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  war is gay. The what signs?
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  Innkeeper a track in the direction.
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  The got peleus. Like he's really like he wants
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  to make his Mark with this is and I think he's got Chris
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  wragge did meet, who is a fine scripted as learn and Barry
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  Letts looking over. His shoulder who, you know, he
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  knows what he's doing, he didn't leave the five years.
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  I think we do lose a bit of it in 1900.
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  We had that sort of, I don't know, it's the confidence if
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  it's the style. Yeah.
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  It's it's like, oh, yeah. Well, That's it.
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  We've made our Mark. Yeah.
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  And it out a bit. I don't think that Susan. 19 is
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  just R. This is the new style but we've
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  seen it before I think it is a step down.
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  I think there's a bit less care. Yeah, exhibited in it and I also
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  think that Christopher h b Meade, who is Patron?
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  Saint of fly through entirety. It is he the only production
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  member of Doctor Who you managed to insult, pretty much
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  wonderful, I think. And But season 18 is perhaps my
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  favorite season of classic old and he's certainly up there and
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  I think you know love the way of something I love the William
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  stuff enormously and I love the McCoy era.
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  But what this does Simon, this is 74 part stories.
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  So it's big and there's a thematic Unity.
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  Do it shorter and you know that it's structured.
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  Yeah. Apart from maybe the kiss I was
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  very young Loosely structured. Yeah, much more than key to
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  time. This is this is the thing I was,
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  it is like the closest you get to a new series.
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  Yeah. And that there are things
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  dropped CDs and things like that.
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  That are absolutely picked up ahead on the gospel.
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  Yeah. And and, you know, in in the
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  like the Hinchcliffe here, you would have an adventure and then
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  you would never mention it again and you didn't get a sense that
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  These were people having a continuous experience, whereas
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  this season is definitely that and I think that that's the
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  first time that we've had that since the 60s, really.
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  I think the 60s does that a little bit, doesn't it?
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  I think it's well done here as well.
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  I like the segues between the so now we've dropped off our
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  friends. Yeah.
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  It's not like you know Daleks I thought we'd would done those
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  menu tasty bits. Civil War, was it?
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  Well, you were enjoying 48 Hours.
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  Deep sleep in the Delta wave augmenter.
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  My mind was possessed occupy, its say that long, but so it's
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  well-written. The dialogue is kind of funny.
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  Like it made doesn't seem like a funny guy but he does write some
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  funny dialogue, arrest a scarf then.
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  Yeah, I like that trick but but it's just the And I think too,
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  you know, the first few, so we have lots of scientists this
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  season. So letter Hive, is all about a
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  scientific experiment or a scientific great Auto.
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  Yeah. And hardened, you know, we get
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  an actual scientist trying to get funding and stuff.
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  So, like real life science have a race of scientists.
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  And this is a race of scientists.
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  In this, we have scientists in State of.
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  Decay course, we have it. Yeah, yeah, we have Dex.
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  In full circle like this. Sign is all the way through and
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  so making it a science fiction show.
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  I think is kind of an interesting thing to do doc.
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  Oh so it's like I feel like big need is more interested in
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  exploring a scientific idea than he is in plotting a story.
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  Well yeah but but also the thing is too and when bid me talks
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  about what he does in season 18, he's a terrible critic and he a
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  particularly terrible. Critic of his own work, I'll
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  sure because he also brings magic back to the show in a very
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  literal sense. But he does sling, everything he
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  ever did was scientifically marvelous.
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  Yeah, well, but he's literally, self-congratulatory, I know, I
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  know it is good. It is good.
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  And like it certainly, you know, until the McCoy, or this is the
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  best riding of the 1980s with that question.
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  So, I love this season and I remember, for some reason I was
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  staying at my grandmother's house and I had A gloss on tape
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  and I just remember watching and watching it over and over again.
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  Yeah yeah. Essentially saying free Eric's a
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  wood and post. Eric say yes that's where the
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  80s works. That's right.
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  The residence. I know some members of
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  fluttering targeted it would disagree with you on that you
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  know but they were all a bit because these episodes are so
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  sure. I know I think F so one comes in
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  at 25 minutes but So Force only doesn't know the reprises about
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  five minutes long. Yeah yeah it's the shortest for
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  powder in Doctor Who history. Why love about Meg loss
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  especially now in register. I think this used to be my least
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  favorite of the year. That's understand.
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  Don't think it is. Any more?
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  I think there's a hive might be my least favorite of the year.
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  I think it's brilliantly directed but I do think it's
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  actually in Cory cold and you know I've said it before but I
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  don't really lean towards what very serious Doctor Who know.
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  Is really fun with insanely grotesque and others weird
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  imagery. The captain of the Marcus go
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  Eli. Yes.
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  Such a brilliant idea. You know, a terrible alien
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  jungle with enormous roses that come down and attack.
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  People is Mad Doctor Who that's sort of nightmare of Eden style.
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  Is that it's nice that there's a space for that, you know?
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  Like, yeah, you got some very serious scientific, very
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  intelligent Tails here, and you've got big loss.
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  Yeah. Well, shall we?
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  I think we should be quite honest.
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  I didn't see the mouse is near to you, you know.
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  I only time I ever get to say this to you.
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  Yeah, yeah. Alright.
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  So I'm going to count to see in 5, 4, 3, 2 1, and we're off.
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  So when that title sequence exploded on your screen I
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  thought it was an ad. Yeah.
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  Usually, it looks so different about opening scene of the
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  Leisure Hive on Brighton Beach. Anime music.
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  That's the other thing too that doesn't get.
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  Sufficiently emphasized. Is we get rid of Dudley who you
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  know, we all love and I even love later Lee.
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  I think some of his latest scores like oh yeah yeah yeah
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  but here we are but Patti Kingsland and Peter Howell are
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  so Oh great. And it like the Peterhouse
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  quarter letter Hive, it's virtually at like a soundscape
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  but she sort of wall-to-wall thing.
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  It doesn't really relent does it all.
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  But you know, I actually think some of the best music in.
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  I can never quite figure out because episode 1 and 2 to 4 or
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  2 different opposes. He's most okay yeah I think
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  these music and episode 1 is the best of this.
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  I was just playing the soundtrack.
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  Oh yeah I thought we started this like it.
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  Is memorable music as I think, as we sort of go into the it we
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  lose it comes in, is it? I think it's it must be hell in
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  episode 1, Petty Kings. And I've got a lot of later 80s.
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  Kind of like what is that? Dreadful dirge that you hit.
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  But but the thing like eyes just love Petty Kings.
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  And because he does The Hitchhiker's radio series and
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  the music he does for undyed and Jones's narration.
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  He's always. Hello.
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  Variously Shyamalan. Yeah, he does.
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  Yeah, it's really good. So we've seen the fourth doctor
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  and Romana and canine canine as ever in season 18 is having a
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  bit of a bad time. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, he, you know, went into the sea in bright now he has
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  your neck and turn there for a second and it was a yes, the
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  dog. Yeah, I want a shot of that.
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  Well, so so we are on this planet and the planet.
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  It is divided between 7th and Dion's and it is religion and
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  science. Yeah, yeah.
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  And so seventh makes sense because that's wise.
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  People have Dion. So don't know where Dion's comes
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  from, but there's a Greek word that means that about should
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  like it's and deontology or deontological means is a sort of
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  moral theory that certain things just have to be done.
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  Like there's nothing I do. And so I wonder whether it's
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  about that whether that's where that word comes from and it's
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  just a space name who knows? And the seventh look ridiculous.
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  It's June Hudson isn't it marvelous what do you I mean I
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  look operatic but it yeah the we definitely do not certain like
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  they're set of space weeks like from UFO you know that Jerry
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  Edison being and yeah they know there's a BBC book coming and I
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  where they put Wendy pepper in one of those.
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  Oh my God. And then this is a Esther who is
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  all Edward under the or something and this or Twilight
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  of his career. Yeah.
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  And the funny thing about it is we watched behind the sofa last
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  night, didn't we? Yes.
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  And, and it Tom and John Leeson both recognized him immediately.
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  And we're talking about how great he was because he'd had
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  such a huge career. And, and, and then this holy
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  shit. I wasn't fully aware, but this
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  is Jackie, he'll as what's a character called Alexa.
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  Alexa, that's right. And I think she's absolutely
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  magnificent. You know, I was watching this
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  earlier with Mark and I say it like this is a rather kind of
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  bombed because she's like the the religious nuts.
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  Yes, that's right. And he's got around.
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  Father, execute everybody, and she's young, she's not
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  unreasonable character. Yeah, that's getting in the way
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  exact. Really but Jackie, he'll bring
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  so much dignity to it and this you play like Diaz.
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  Well, like I, you know, it's Doctor Who it's bid made, we are
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  on the side of science, right? And against religion, say she's
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  generally speaking. So she is the closest we get to
• 20:53
  a villain apart from their gloss, obviously, but she's so
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  Humane like I believe her, and this relationship with her owns
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  a store, which is obviously a One.
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  Last look at her small lightweight Charming she they
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  hold hands a second ago. I like it.
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  It's tactile ways. But actors bring that to it.
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  Yeah. Well I'm not sure if they're in
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  the time. No, I think she could have been
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  a very boring character but getting Jackie Hill back and you
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  know, it's funny, if we were to bring Jackie back, two years
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  later, she would have played Barbara you know, because the
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  show's Street - yes, he's 3 for the Nerds who are watching it.
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  And I'm surprised actually J&T allowed this, because this sort
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  of thing, he didn't realize was that he was caught trying to cut
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  ties with three Leisure Hive Doctor Who.
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  Yeah. But, but I mean, you know, she
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  hadn't been in it for, you know, a long time for like sleeping
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  Behind These. That's - resplendent.
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  You know else. Insane costume looks.
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  Fantastic glowing white hair? Yeah, it's so good.
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  What did you do? All of lakes?
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  It beeps up the episodes of Blake's 7 that she does do and I
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  love this cut, it's like you know it needs the doctors
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  delicacy of touch and then we cut to the dock so you know like
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  doing these sort of crappy repair job on Canine there's
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  some great jokes in this. Yeah I think I think the humor
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  of this story is a little other at this this and I think a lot
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  of static a is very funny as well.
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  Yeah in place and those are sort of like the big comedy series
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  Panting stories are Lush. Regressive vegetation, I love
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  that so much angry Rose's, father, once you better than
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  that, you buy that plan in the invasion of time.
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  There's another Carlos, looks extremely weird.
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  Well, yeah, I know. So this is a lot Advocate go.
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  All these Tardis. Yes.
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  Like this hoping we complain about calm, Colin Baker's time
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  because they're just Anatole is bitch in a way.
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  Yeah. Hey, they're having a bit of
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  fun. You know, I really like this and
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  I also like the fact that Ramana still wearing her outfit from
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  the Leisure Hive and then changes, and then she changes
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  when she goes on on to tie Gala, Joe one thing that really
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  impressed me was the fact that this is all in the studio.
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  I know we got, it's like yeah, jungle when inverted commas, but
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  the base essentially there's a lot of this is sort of
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  underground. Yeah, I really wrote Terrence
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  Douglas direction of all of this This, I think it's designed
• 23:37
  really well. I think he places his cameras
• 23:39
  really well. He starts things in an
• 23:41
  interesting way where the scene earlier where somebody the
• 23:44
  paddle blows up. Yeah.
• 23:46
  Somebody's face is burn and are putting like got more Burr and
• 23:50
  then the camera sort of zooms out at the big.
• 23:52
  Like he knows how to make it a bit more interesting than just
• 23:55
  like Peter moffatt's pointing and shooting.
• 23:57
  Well also, you know, there's a bit of kind of exhaustion, you
• 24:03
  know, sort of design exhaustion in series 7.
• 24:05
  And I love Series 17 and I think part of the problem is that we
• 24:09
  lost the last six episodes, which they were saving up for
• 24:15
  ya. And so, there's a lot of just
• 24:18
  really exhausted looking space. Corridors Jackie Hill there,
• 24:21
  right? I guess, yeah, she has to try
• 24:23
  and deliver a line. It descended from the heavens,
• 24:27
  but then she follows her up with and where, yeah, Jeremy, she's
• 24:36
  Effects work. Yeah, so, so one of the problems
• 24:39
  of course in this era is that CSO never really convinces
• 24:46
  because there's a lot of fringing and stuff.
• 24:48
  And so they are pushing csos far as it will go.
• 24:51
  But I mean, if you compare all of the CSO, in this scene to the
• 24:55
  CSO in say underworld where they're just matting the actors
• 24:59
  onto a background. This is so much more
• 25:03
  interesting, like, the detailing this Model, you know, the little
• 25:07
  bits of sand heaped up on the thing by the screens.
• 25:11
  And then later on, when the control room thing, emerges from
• 25:15
  in the middle of the screens, like those models are good.
• 25:19
  Was it wasn't same thing in the you could have, obviously the
• 25:23
  person that's projected in and the camera move at the same.
• 25:26
  Yeah. So you've got, it's possible to
• 25:27
  suggest some movement. So you've got so what you, what
• 25:30
  you would always do, and what you had to do in Underworld was
• 25:34
  the camera had to be locked off. It couldn't move.
• 25:36
  So you would have a camera trained on the background, a
• 25:39
  camera trained on the actors and seen sink allowed you to move
• 25:44
  both of them in sync so we can pan across the model and have
• 25:50
  the actors move, you know, in in sync.
• 25:54
  So the cat. So the direction is much more
• 25:56
  interesting, and we did this. Remember in the Leisure Hive.
• 26:00
  You get that saying? Yeah, look here.
• 26:03
  So they're walking across and the background is You think I
• 26:06
  just think this looks great and I think the moon in the sky
• 26:09
  looks incredible. The fridge.
• 26:11
  Innocent terrible guys. Oh yeah, yeah, it's like seven
• 26:18
  teleport around of, you know, pretty much like that now, but I
• 26:23
  was very impressed with this in the yeah, yeah yeah.
• 26:36
  The, the anything about him and his wife's making the tea and
• 26:42
  yeah. And that's about it especially
• 26:44
  like this little injection of contemporary Earth.
• 26:47
  Yeah. Do we have a Godless?
• 26:49
  Do we see any of? No.
• 26:52
  But I think that's kind of okay and it I think that's okay.
• 26:57
  Like I love contemporary life is a setting.
• 26:59
  I think it's much better than various planets and stuff, it's
• 27:02
  good. But it's a look at the Moon.
• 27:04
  Yeah. Sorry.
• 27:06
  The screens? Yeah.
• 27:09
  Feels kind of like this. I anyone's has ever infused this
• 27:23
  much about Meg loss. Yeah, no I think that looks
• 27:25
  amazing and you know like we know that it's an effect was not
• 27:30
  on an alien planet. I think you know the models and
• 27:34
  rarely been this impressive in Doctor Who yeah.
• 27:39
  Poor old Bill phrases beard is or blue because it's something
• 27:44
  that's really hard to cover, didn't they?
• 27:49
  Production I think she yeah I think there might be some
• 27:52
  elements of the costumes from RE Vos operation here to somewhere.
• 27:57
  The guy who plays brought attack laughing his just ready so
• 28:02
  hilarious. Yeah.
• 28:03
  Dude the bit in a minute where is like 100 million credits.
• 28:07
  Ha ha. You know the pirate Michael
• 28:14
  dinnertime. These it held a company tablet
• 28:21
  but obviously his name was an anagram of bad act again.
• 28:25
  Yeah because they knew that they figured that they just they cast
• 28:30
  grogger really well. Yeah and then the sorry
• 28:32
  Territorial and he's so then they told him what like after
• 28:38
  the recording was done, like by the way and he only went and
• 28:41
  found his wife and he went guess, what?
• 28:43
  I've been playing a bad idea, Jay, and he caught wind of it
• 28:47
  because he panics, I'm using was telling everybody.
• 28:49
  Be in the bar and giant, he's like, oh, we can't have this.
• 28:52
  So when the book was written. Yeah, his name is changed.
• 28:57
  I'll really no longer an anagram of bad actor.
• 29:00
  James. He is that what you're worrying
• 29:02
  about? He saw where we go, make lost
• 29:05
  himself, you know, the Whip and the whip pan across it.
• 29:08
  So it's fine. I mean this is so Preposterous
• 29:14
  and actually like the voice of megawatts is really great.
• 29:18
  Yeah. Rattlesnake music.
• 29:21
  Yeah, you know it's really terrific but it is like it is
• 29:26
  absurd and I think like you know bring a semblance of normality
• 29:29
  into this conversation. I think this might be where some
• 29:32
  people that's their limit right Ascension.
• 29:35
  Talking. Giant rubber Cactus.
• 29:37
  Yeah, especially, you know, when it deflates in a minute, it's
• 29:40
  clearly only quite forgiving of this.
• 29:45
  It's a prop that has to be built and has to do.
• 29:49
  Things, you know them. You know they're doing that
• 29:51
  special effect camera. I think it looks tremendous
• 29:55
  really like he loves the the special at the makeup of the
• 29:59
  prayer because but the sequence is where they're just chatting
• 30:03
  away to the cactus. That's a bit, much know what I
• 30:06
  love how he says, I was never afraid they're gonna try and you
• 30:13
  know, him over so he's locked the doors.
• 30:15
  Yeah, I'll get out. Yeah, I love about General kraka
• 30:20
  scientist named Bill phrase. What I love about him is he
• 30:23
  like, it almost can't be asked to Rouse a performer.
• 30:26
  He has really laughing character.
• 30:28
  Yeah, it's Lazy Pirate. That's just remember, he's but
• 30:33
  in the secret diary of Adrian mole hole and it remember
• 30:37
  Mankato Leasing and Company. Yeah.
• 30:39
  Yeah it's actually quite amiable quite lovely in that.
• 30:41
  See ya the secret cult my with I can't remember.
• 30:46
  Possibly a will involve some way and I there's That very famous
• 30:49
  story, that we all know about how Fraser agreed to be in
• 30:52
  Doctor Who provided, he got to kick the dog.
• 30:56
  I think maybe he's still smarting from being perhaps.
• 31:09
  You know what that started in Doctor Who I want to say colony
• 31:13
  in space one season layer menu item use?
• 31:17
  Yeah, I knew yeah, you're right. He says, they've been using this
• 31:20
  bloody thing. Oh my God, the signs.
• 31:22
  We can design a triangle. Did, you know?
• 31:25
  He's a great piece of Kit and they've put little LEDs in the
• 31:28
  corners. Okay, so what this is Sergeant.
• 31:32
  Yeah, this is something that I have heard you object to in fly
• 31:36
  for entirety in that, you know, the plot sort of like this is
• 31:39
  very seasoned 22 in that they are completely kept out of the
• 31:43
  action and the footings hysteresis is yeah.
• 31:49
  And yet that's not a problem. No, we're just because watching
• 31:51
  these two together and they're suddenly much smarter this
• 31:55
  season two, you know, like a little less in love while I
• 32:02
  think they were arguing. A lot is yes.
• 32:05
  So depending on how they were definitely or watching a state
• 32:07
  of decay said, well, they were desperately in love or refusing
• 32:12
  to talk to each other. Yeah, so yeah.
• 32:13
  And he said, what's Tom's eyes, if he's looking at her, they're
• 32:16
  all right. He's not and you can tell that
• 32:20
  with Tom when Tom refuses to look at his coat, you know, he'd
• 32:24
  like he doesn't Louise. Well, I'll tell ya, I think
• 32:32
  there's two time-wasting things in this and the first one is The
• 32:35
  Chronic hysteresis, and then there's another one.
• 32:38
  Yeah, yeah. And then there's another one.
• 32:40
  Yeah. Romano's leading them around in
• 32:43
  circles and you kind of go. All right.
• 32:45
  Well, we burn 10 minutes of this episode Yeah that's hilarious.
• 32:49
  Chester try to explain to the Pyro's.
• 32:51
  Yeah it's like preventing a Boeing some of its planet
• 32:54
  revolves counterclockwise something which absolutely makes
• 32:58
  no sense at all. She's
• 33:13
  particularly brought a deck. God he's funny.
• 33:16
  This is hilarious. So you got there.
• 33:18
  The Earth man and the enormous Cactus go into booths.
• 33:21
  Yeah, yeah, this is the sort of thing that Janet field in a daze
• 33:26
  will be laughing their heads off about.
• 33:27
  When I, you know, like I, you know, last night on behind the
• 33:32
  sofa, they were talking about how great the sets are and I
• 33:35
  think they really are. You know, they're that set is
• 33:38
  pretty fantastic. I think.
• 33:41
  And whilst like jungle that we see later I just always wish
• 33:45
  they'd feel me on film. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:47
  When they're trying to do it. It's not the jungle from
• 33:50
  preacher for the period or anything like that.
• 33:52
  It's a bit more nightmare of Eden and created from the beard
• 33:55
  all he said. Yeah.
• 33:57
  But you know what the hell is going brain?
• 34:09
  This place is like live, Wonder worry.
• 34:32
  I do love the transformation because it's cut, cut, cut, cut
• 34:39
  car. It's a bit like the sequence in
• 34:41
  the Leisure Hive, which should have been so absurd.
• 34:44
  Where did pull off the mask? Yeah, the Famas he comes.
• 34:47
  But there's so many cards. Yeah your brains crap.
• 34:50
  What's going on and then you just reveal the monster.
• 34:53
  Okay it's that I don't know what the different actors are.
• 35:00
  They like reactions from Bill reactions from broader DAC, all
• 35:05
  of that and it is for them to say dr.
• 35:06
  Scott. Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 35:13
  But it does it does take a sort of hopeful director to because
• 35:16
  you know PM off. It may have just pointed the
• 35:19
  camera and said all right. Well yeah.
• 35:21
  Active who directs? This is okay.
• 35:24
  Y'all you you said that before? Yeah.
• 35:26
  Oh my God. You know, they right - Black
• 35:28
  Orchid. Kids demons and K900 boy.
• 35:33
  Does he also just thought to himself?
• 35:36
  He does. Yeah that's taught in flights
• 35:39
  are entirely complains that Terrence Dudley scripts always
• 35:42
  have people just going through doors.
• 35:44
  And so I think in a way to let so for they tested or after
• 35:49
  doors, which like a fart, I think this is.
• 35:53
  Yeah you're right. We just cutting from person to
• 35:55
  person rather than just leaving the camera and other things
• 35:58
  we've seen him do actual things. You hear what the inspiration
• 36:02
  for me gloss was no. So Andrew God I never get the
• 36:06
  names right? Yeah.
• 36:08
  Andrew McCulloch and John Flanagan.
• 36:09
  That's right. They live together in the house
• 36:13
  which had the front door used in the Coppola.
• 36:15
  So, okay, I'll say were writing this Margaret hate Hotel.
• 36:21
  Turned up and said hello I'm here, scouting locations for
• 36:23
  Doctor Who and your brother Ryan.
• 36:46
  Okay, so this is the beginning of the history hysteresis.
• 36:51
  Yeah, and I guess what? We made fun of this our episode
• 36:58
  on May gloss that fly through entirety is called by the power
• 37:01
  of bad acting and that's how they get out of it.
• 37:04
  There we go. So and this is, you know, we'd
• 37:07
  made goes on about finally bringing proper science to
• 37:11
  Doctor Who and moving it away from science fantasy.
• 37:13
  But the And the science that he brings to Doctor Who he's very
• 37:17
  often magic. And the way magic Works, he is
• 37:21
  if you manipulate a symbol it has, or it has an effect on the
• 37:27
  object that symbolized, right? And so we recorded an episode,
• 37:34
  we recorded a podcast earlier this week on the Christmas
• 37:39
  Invasion. Mmm-hmm, and remember that you
• 37:42
  could manipulate the blood Sample and cause people to
• 37:46
  behave in a certain way and that's magic.
• 37:49
  And so here, we've got a Time Loop but we get out of the time
• 37:52
  loop knot by precisely recreating the events that take
• 37:58
  place inside the time Loop by doing it by saying, the same
• 38:02
  words by doing a representation of what goes on in the time like
• 38:06
  funny, well it's great I get this timing wrong.
• 38:09
  Yes. Elijah because
• 38:21
  The first line at the time. Lee be real honest, a blemish.
• 38:24
  Even we are again, hope. So, here we go.
• 38:26
  Again, she's so good. And I love the fact that I have
• 38:31
  to say something as something that sounds very diverse talents
• 38:33
  to make these Raonic history. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Well, no, because if she'd have gone, we're in a Time Loop, they
• 38:39
  wouldn't have found half as far, but it's a very again bid made
• 38:43
  has a particular type of technobabble and it's often
• 38:50
  Urkel tachyon it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:53
  Like at the sort of thing charged vacuum employment.
• 38:56
  You know, like all of those things are just very magical.
• 39:01
  I think they get a disguise, get rid of the disguise completely
• 39:04
  Morris gate. And it whole thing just feels
• 39:06
  like, yeah. Ferret out each other's matter
• 39:08
  how brilliant is wonderful but Brendan, you know, yeah, well,
• 39:12
  yeah, it's such a, it's such a great season at least.
• 39:17
  Oh, but that is for long enough now that I can say alive, like,
• 39:21
  Rhesus. You know what that means?
• 39:23
  Lot easier. I mean, this is one of my
• 39:25
  favorite artists Cruise ever. I'll for sure.
• 39:28
  And you know what, I didn't think I would ever hear anyone
• 39:31
  say a bad word about the fourth dr.
• 39:33
  Romano canine, but peel a didn't like them when you have a
• 39:37
  because he felt as if they were quite patronising to the people
• 39:40
  around them as a child right? Which like, when I rewatched
• 39:44
  Sharda, I could see that angle with especially with Chris.
• 39:50
  Yeah. yeah, but I think that's part of the doctor's character
• 39:52
  though, you know, like the doctor is He's, you know, like
• 39:57
  right back from the beginning of, you know, I mean you have
• 40:00
  always been hurt. We for instance was, he's
• 40:05
  patronising the people around him, you know, that isn't.
• 40:09
  But both Bill and and Sean Pertwee colleagues only is
• 40:14
  everybody and I just think these are smart people.
• 40:20
  You know like and they're fun and funny and stuff.
• 40:23
  I'm really like this crew well look.
• 40:26
  I put out to Twitter I can do a couple after every episode.
• 40:30
  All right. Some questions about Meg loss
• 40:34
  and you know people are obviously very excited that
• 40:36
  you're here because we were inundated that's so far up your
• 40:41
  imagination. Okay, I'm gonna start with one
• 40:45
  by A peculiar gentleman known as Mark a rulings as okay.
• 40:49
  Mark raw asked if you could cast Jaclyn Hill in a different part
• 40:55
  in season 18, I mean who would it be?
• 41:01
  Many ladies are there in season 18?
• 41:03
  I think efficient make a fine cassia in a cave or a tree.
• 41:07
  I've gotten one g.i. seeking like Camilla.
• 41:11
  Oh, that's all waiting to feed her auntie.
• 41:16
  For this is the obvious, the obvious answer to you.
• 41:20
  Do you think she could do? We accept?
• 41:21
  We either take Hands-On or nestor's mother in the?
• 41:23
  Yeah. That mother, I don't know.
• 41:28
  I mean, I think she's well suited she's terrific and like,
• 41:31
  you know, had, they brought in somebody who was just having a
• 41:33
  laugh with it. Yeah.
• 41:35
  Yeah. No.
• 41:35
  Sheesh. She takes it seriously and
• 41:37
  brings just sort of warmth and Humanity to that part.
• 41:41
  Okay. Well Daniel no I asked was it
• 41:44
  that was it a good idea to bring a jacket on your back?
• 41:46
  Yes I've got your for that whilst aerys Dudley a better
• 41:50
  director than a writer to show you think about his other story.
• 41:54
  So I know some what you think of for the Before doomsday is kind
• 41:57
  of terrible, what the script K9 & Company is terrible.
• 42:03
  Kings demons. Yeah, shockingly, bad, black
• 42:06
  orchids. Well, yeah, but I think the
• 42:09
  production leaves Black Orchid enormously.
• 42:12
  I think I'm going to ask you one more that.
• 42:14
  Well, I'm and I think we both said like that there is a visual
• 42:19
  interest in this. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:21
  Yeah. That I think that this has been
• 42:22
  a season earlier, it would have been much brown or This
• 42:26
  competition, they would be sure so the concentric shapes and it
• 42:32
  listen to this. I don't believe it.
• 42:34
  Timing deliveries asks his from to a doctor who too hot for TV.
• 42:40
  Yeah so distance is fantastic. Would this story have been
• 42:44
  better if it was the season before?
• 42:46
  No. It would have been worse.
• 42:48
  I think I think so as well. It would have been cheaper.
• 42:50
  Yeah no Janet. I think it's already the cheapy.
• 42:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:54
  It's the cheapy and look how visually.
• 42:56
  Ambitious. It is.
• 42:58
  Okay, wanted to give you 10 old. Darren lit round or yes?
• 43:03
  This work. You know how did Kings and
• 43:06
  scored part 1? I'll thank you.
• 43:08
  Darren. I was asked earlier to cover in
• 43:10
  for an ill. Peter Howell who recovered to
• 43:13
  school? Arrest, who's scored you prefer?
• 43:17
  I mean, I can also, do you like Peter?
• 43:18
  How better than King? I like England episode 1.
• 43:21
  No I said okay I'm from does episode 1?
• 43:23
  Yeah, okay I love Kingston's music.
• 43:26
  So But I think, you know, like it.
• 43:28
  Sometimes I find myself not knowing who's scoring in this
• 43:31
  season, but please, they do have some toasted, and they're great,
• 43:35
  although later in the story, it does it at one, it was it called
• 43:38
  when you have like, a dialogue explaining the action in the
• 43:41
  music or cycle. The other episode 3 is going
• 43:45
  death, death. He was penciled in for a salad
• 44:04
  or pasta were black or both of those.
• 44:08
  Actual actors are SO grinder. In that role.
• 44:11
  I do. Ya like, it's TV.
• 44:13
  Do you know what I mean? Like, if we can have them, if we
• 44:16
  can heavy and Marta come back. A few years later and play
• 44:18
  Harry. Or if we can have Freema
• 44:22
  agyeman, come back, two episodes later and play a companion.
• 44:26
  Like, who cares? It's made up its TV.
• 44:29
  I just think if you know you just get people if they're
• 44:31
  available and there's no way that like it's almost impossible
• 44:35
  to imagine anyone doing a better job than Jackie heel in this
• 44:39
  story, which I still think they missed a trick though.
• 44:41
  By not having, I know. You can just say, this is a girl
• 44:45
  Max, it'll just turning up for one scene in the.
• 44:47
  He's part of a time there was that most of it actually, okay.
• 45:00
  That was one of my gloss. We still haven't quite reached
• 45:04
  absolved for theory in the Tardis.
• 45:06
  No, we haven't left the Tardis but we will.
• 45:09
  Oh, actually no. There is one more question.
• 45:11
  All right, I've got to ask you or three actually because
• 45:15
  somebody thinks they're incredibly witty, you know where
• 45:20
  I'm going with this. Oh, I don't know who this is.
• 45:23
  Wow, Fraser Gregory. Oh, okay.
• 45:26
  Just before the dust. Does The Chronic hysteresis?
• 45:29
  See get repetitive. He also asks, does The Chronic
• 45:33
  history seen get repetitive? He also our calendars.
• 45:38
  No, it doesn't. I love it.
• 45:39
  I absolutely adore. It just long enough.
• 45:42
  Yeah. Yeah, you know, to a point where
• 45:43
  like, okay, maybe a bit longer because because it's stupid,
• 45:46
  because it's a Time Loop, and then we just get a bit of a
• 45:49
  while to kind of chat and do other things.
• 45:51
  And then we go back into the time.
• 45:52
  We begin. Like, I think it's sort of quite
• 45:54
  fun, and they don't show the The the whole repeated seen all the
• 45:59
  time. Yeah, and yeah, it's worth
• 46:02
  remembering as well. There are TV shows that will
• 46:04
  devote entire 45 minute episodes waste time alone.
• 46:07
  Now Star Trek, huge, you do pretty well.
• 46:10
  Yeah, sex horse in effect Monday in their house with Harley and
• 46:14
  Magic to make the sanest man Kona all the best discoveries.
• 46:19
  Well, let's hop into that time Loop, then, let's do it.