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Lindsay Clancy's Psych RIPPED by Defense · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: If you've ever wondered how the justice system untangles the
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darkest moments of the human mind, well you're in the right.
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Speaker 2: Place, because today we are dealing with a case that
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is just incredibly heavy, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Deeply heavy. We're talking about a mother who admits to
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the unthinkable strangling her three children, right, and the physical
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facts of this case they aren't in dispute at all, Like,
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there's no mystery about who was in the house or
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what actions.
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Speaker 2: Were taken exactly. The physical reality is admitted.
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Speaker 1: But despite that, in this Massachusetts Core room, the defense
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isn't primarily pointing the finger at the mother. They are
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pointing it at a fifteen minute video call and a
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prescription pad, which is just a radical pivot.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it forces everyone in that room to grapple
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with invisible forces instead of the horrifying physical evidence right
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in front of them.
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Speaker 1: Right. So today, our mission for this deep dive is
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to examine a really harrowing transcript resourced from Core TV.
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It covers the intense cross examination in the tragic trial
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of Lindsay Clancy.
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Speaker 2: She's the mother who committed the act.
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Speaker 1: Right, but she is claiming she is not criminally responsible,
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citing severe mental illness and a profound lack of proper
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medical treatment. Yes, and the defensive strategy here is incredibly specific. Okay,
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let's unpack this. They're zeroing in on Lindsay's treating psychiatrist,
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doctor Jennifer two.
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Speaker 2: Before we go any further, though, we really need to
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set the boundaries for our discussion today.
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Speaker 3: Definitely, we are.
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Speaker 2: Looking at this purely through the lens of the provided
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courtroom transcript. Our goal is not to play judge or
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jury or the medical board.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We are absolutely not here to declare guilt.
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Speaker 2: Or innocence exactly, nor are we evaluating anyone's medical license.
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What we are doing is analyzing the profound intersection of
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medical care, legal strategy, and just unimaginable tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Right. We're watching the legal system attempt to quantify the
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unquantifiable nature of mental health.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the stakes literally could not be higher.
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Speaker 2: Life in prison versus a psychiatric facility.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, a lifespan in a state penitentiary versus receiving treatment.
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And the transcript paints this vivid, almost cinematic picture of
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the key players.
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Speaker 2: It really does it.
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Speaker 1: On one side, you have the defense attorney Kevin Reddington,
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commentators describe him as seasoned, deeply aggressive, and one of
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the most experienced defense attorneys in the region.
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Speaker 3: He knows how to command a room, oh absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And on the witness stand you have doctor Jennifer two,
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who is a young psychiatrist essentially at the very beginning
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of her independent professional career.
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Speaker 1: It's the classic David and Goliath courtroom mismatch.
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Speaker 2: It is you have a veteran attorney who understands courtroom acoustics,
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like how to modulate his voice, when to pause for
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dramatic effect, laying rhetorical traps exactly, and facing him as
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a physician trained in clinical observations suddenly thrust into the
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glaring lights of a highly publicized trial.
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Speaker 1: Yeah broadcast on networks like court TV, where commentators like
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Vinnie Poulton, for example, are dissecting every micro expression and
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legal manev in real time for national audience.
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Speaker 2: That's a pressure cooker.
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Speaker 1: So let's jump into the core conflict here, which revolves
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around the strategy of transferred blame. The defense's ultimate goal
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is to convince the jury that Lindsay's condition was compounded,
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if not entirely hijacked, by a lack of proper treatment
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and wrong, or maybe over medication by doctor two. They
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want to argue that this medical negligence is the actual
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cause of the tragedy.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer mechanics of this legal strategy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how so.
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Speaker 2: Well, when a defense attorney stands in front of a
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jury and the physical actions of the defendant are entirely admitted,
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the attorney faces this monumental psychological.
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Speaker 1: Hurdle because juries are human beings.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, how do you ask a human being to overcome
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the visceral, horrific reality of three dead children. You cannot
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deny the act occurred, so legally and psychologically, the only
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way out is to shift cult ability. You have to
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provide the jury with a tangible villain, or at least
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a highly culpable secondary.
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Speaker 1: Actor to redirect the anger.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the jury has all this incomprehension and rage, and
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the defense is attempting to redirect that energy away from
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the mother and toward the healthcare system.
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Speaker 1: You know, I keep thinking about this like an aviation disaster.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting way to look at it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like the defense is trying to sue
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the air traffic controller for the plane crash. But the
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question is did the controller actually give the wrong coordinates
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and steer the plane into the mountain?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: What was the plane structurally compromised? Like? Was the pilot
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simply unable to fly regardless of the instructions coming over
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the radio.
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Speaker 2: That analogy hits the nail on the head because it
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highlights the burden of proof.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the pilot is the human brain, how does
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the jury typically digect this kind of blame shifting when
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the physical actions aren't even debated.
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Speaker 2: It's tough. The defense is walking a terrifying tightrope. They're
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asking the jury to look past the physical reality of
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the crime and focus entirely on the invisible chemical environment
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of the defendant's.
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Speaker 3: Brain, which is so abstract, very abstract.
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Speaker 2: The narrative being built is that the brain was hijacked
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not just by the organic illness of postpartum psychosis or depression,
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but by the very professional task with curing that illness. Wow,
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if Reddington can show that the doctor was negligent or
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even just dangerously out of her depth, he provides the
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jury with an alternative narrative.
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Speaker 1: It stops being a story about a mother who.
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Speaker 2: Snapped Exactly It becomes a story about a vulnerable patient
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who was failed by a broken system and poisoned by
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a chemical cocktail.
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Speaker 1: Think about the immense crushing pressure this puts on medical
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professionals who are just watching this trial.
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Speaker 2: It's terrifying for them.
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Speaker 1: You're a doctor, You take the stand and a seasoned
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attorney starts dissecting routine medical decisions you made in a
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fifteen minute appointment six months ago.
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Speaker 2: Single note is scrutinized.
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Speaker 1: And suddenly those standard clinical adjustments are being evaluated as
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the potential catalyst for murder. Your prescription pad is being
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presented to a jury as a weapon.
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Speaker 2: Which is exactly why Reddington doesn't start his cross examination
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with complicated pharmacology. He doesn't start with the drugs.
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Speaker 1: Where does he start?
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Speaker 2: He starts by attacking the doctor's foundation. He weaponizes her inexperience.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into that. Because the timeline facts presented
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in the transcript are striking.
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Speaker 2: They really paint a specific picture.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor two started her independent practice at Astro Mental
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Health in August twenty twenty two. She got her individual
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DEA license, the specific federal license that lets a doctor
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independently prescribe controlled substances around that exact same time, and
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she first saw Lindsey Clancy as a patient on September fifteen,
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twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: Meaning when she first meets this highly complex patient, doctor
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two has been practicing entirely on her own for roughly.
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Speaker 3: One month wow, one month, yes.
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Speaker 2: Reddington hones in on this temporal reality with laser precision.
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Speaker 1: He cross examines her extensively about her residency, right her
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four years of training at Boston Medical Center prior to
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this job he does. He asks how many postpartum patients
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she actually treated during those four years. Doctor two says
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it's hard to give an exact number, but estimates, quote at.
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Speaker 2: Least fifty, and Reddington just mocks this number.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He repeats it back to her incredulously, asking, like,
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you saw a fifty people in a four year period
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that had postpartum.
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Speaker 2: By forcing her to admit she had only been solo
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for a month and by mathematically minimizing her residency experience,
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he is painting a very deliberate picture.
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Speaker 1: A picture of someone out of their depth exactly.
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Speaker 2: He wants the jury to see someone who is profoundly
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in over her head, but to understand the unfairness of
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this tactic. We really have to look at what a
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medical residency actually entails versus independent practice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for us.
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Speaker 2: During a residency, a doctor is actively seeing patients and
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formulating treatment plans. Sure, but they are working under attending physicians,
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so they have supervision, massive supervision. Those senior doctors review
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the plans, they challenge the diagnosis, and ultimately they sign
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off on the notes. The resident has a massive institutional safety.
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Speaker 1: Net, and Doctor two explains exactly that on the stand.
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She clarifies that she was the only person in the
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room with those patients during her residency doing the actual
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face to face work, but she admits her notes were
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signed off by an attending physician who is always available for.
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Speaker 2: Support, and that sudden transition from residency to independent practice
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is arguably the most jarring shift in any medical professional's career.
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Speaker 1: I can imagine.
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Speaker 2: Biologically and psychologically, the safety net vanishes overnight. The decisions
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are yours, the liability is yours, and the isolation is immediate.
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Speaker 1: So Reddington is exploiting the natural vulnerability of that transition
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period to cast doubt on her competency precisely. But I
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mean I struggle with that logic as a definitive proof
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of net exligens. Isn't every single doctor, no matter how
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brilliant or prestigious, they eventually become on their first month
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of independent practice at some point.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely everyone has a day one.
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Speaker 1: Right. You don't magically absorb twenty years of clinical intuition
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the day you graduate. Every world renowned surgeon at a
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first solo surgery where their hands might have been sweating.
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Speaker 2: That is the universal reality of medicine. Yes, But in
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a courtroom, clinical reality often takes a backseat to theatrical optics.
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Speaker 1: Theatrical optics.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Readington knows the jury is desperate for an explanation
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for this tragedy. If he can plant the seed that
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a doctor with twenty years of experience might have caught
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a subtle symptom that doctor two missed in her first
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thirty days, oh wow, he creates reasonable doubt regarding the
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defendant's ultimate culpability. He is exploiting the gap between a
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novice and a master.
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Speaker 1: And he doesn't stop at her timeline either. He goes
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after her marketing, which I found fascinating because it highlights
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such a modern problem.
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Speaker 2: The website profile right, Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wedding didn't point out that on the clinics website, doctor
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two's profile listed special interests in women's health, parental psychiatry, trauma,
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and anxiety.
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Speaker 2: Mm hm.
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Speaker 1: He phrases this to the jury as if she was
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aggressively advertising herself as a specialist or an expert in
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postpartum psychiatry after just one month on the job.
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Speaker 2: It is a brilliant, albeit very aggressive maneuver. He's juxtaposing
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her one month of independent practice with the highly confident,
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authoritative language of modern medical marketing.
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Speaker 1: But wait, is it actually fair to attack a young
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doctor for a clinic's website SEO one. I mean when
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you join a modern medical practice, you sit down with
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an admin, you check some boxes about your academic interest
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based on your residency, and they build a web page
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to attract patients.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's routine.
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Speaker 1: Reddington is treating it as if she took out a
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billboard on the highway falsely claiming to be a decades
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long specialist.
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Speaker 2: The fairness is highly debatable, but the effectiveness is undeniable.
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Clinics absolutely use buzzwords to attract specific patient demographics. Yeah,
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but to a lay person on a jury, if a
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doctor's profile claims an interest or specialty in perinatal care.
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The assumption is that the doctor possesses an impenetrable mastery
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level understanding of the subject.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Reddington uses the clinic's own marketing machinery against the doctor heavily,
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implying that she lured in a desperate, deteriorating mother under
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false pretenses of expertise she didn't actually possess.
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Speaker 1: It sets up this devastating contrast between expectation and reality.
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But you know, even if doctor two had twenty years
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of experience, the defense argues she was fighting this battle
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blindfolded any way.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because of the medium exactly.
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Speaker 1: And that is because of how this entire treatment took place.
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Let's talk of the telemedicine screen.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, this might
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be the most culturally urgent aspect of this entire transcript. Really, yes,
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we are looking at the fundamental nature of psychiatric diagnosis
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in a post pandemic world.
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Speaker 1: The facts here are just startling. Between September fifteenth and
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late January, doctor two and Lindsay had fourteen separate appointments,
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four tune appointment and every single one of them was
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conducted via telemedicine. Doctor two never saw Lindsay in person
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until the day she walked into the courtroom to testify.
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Speaker 2: Against her, which is profound because psychiatry, perhaps more than
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any other medical discipline, relies on observation. It is rarely
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just about what the patient is saying. It is heavily
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reliant on how they say it. It's their posture, their gait, they're.
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Speaker 1: Grooming, the micro expressions that flash across their face when
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they think you aren't looking. I want to use an
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analogy here instead of just saying you miss things on
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a screen, because relying entirely on telemedicine for a complex
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psychiatric diagnosis, it feels like trying to inspect a used
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car by only looking at a photo of the hood.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Like, you can't hear the engine, you can't check the
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oil or see the rusted undercarriage. You're just staring at
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shiny paint.
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Speaker 2: That is a perfect way to frame it. Reddington hones
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in on this loss of nonverbal data. He points out
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to the jury that on a standard computer screen, the
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patient is cut off.
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Speaker 3: At the waist right.
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Speaker 1: You just see shoulders up.
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Speaker 2: He aggressively questions Doctor two about objective physical manifestations of stress.
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He calls them tells like a poker player would ye.
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He specifically brings up wringing hands or bouncing legs, and.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Q is forced to admit on the stand that
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she could not see her patient's hands or legs during
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these fourteen sessions. She couldn't see those physical tells.
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Speaker 2: When a physician is restricted to a two dimensional format,
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they lose a massive volume of autonomic nervous.
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Speaker 3: System data, so much data.
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Speaker 2: A patient might have a perfectly composed face, they might
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be answering questions calmly, but under the desk their leg
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is bouncing with psychomotor agitation, or their hands are sweating.
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Speaker 1: The doctor's completely blind the physical reality of the patient's anxiety.
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Speaker 2: Completely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about your own zoom calls. How easy
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is it to fake a smile for thirty minutes for
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work well off camera. Your leg is shaking because you
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are incredibly stressed.
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Speaker 2: We all do it.
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Speaker 1: Multiply that by the complexities of severe mental illness. But
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Reddington takes this technological limitation and turns it into this
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emotional weapon.
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Speaker 2: Oh the hug comment.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he asked this incredibly manipulative question on cross examination,
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he says, quote, did you give her a hug? Oh? No,
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You're on television, so you couldn't give her a hug.
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Speaker 2: It's an entirely unfair question. Clinically, Doctor twey'z rightly replies
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that giving hugs is not a standard or typical practice
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for psychiatrists, regardless of whether the appointment is in person
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or virtual.
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Speaker 1: Because professional boundaries exist for a reason exactly. But the
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clinical accuracy of the question isn't the point at all?
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Is it not?
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Speaker 2: At all? Reddington is painting an emotional fresco for the jury.
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He is deliberately contrasting the literal and figurative coldness of
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a computer screen with the warm, idealized Norman Rockwell image
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of a caring, in person physic.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: He wants the jury to feel in their bones that
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Lindsey Clancy was isolated, that she was treated as a
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digital data point on a monitor rather than a human
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mother drowning in deep distress.
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Speaker 1: But the court TV commentator brings up a really sharp
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counterpoint here about how this fact can be spun by
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the prosecution.
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Speaker 2: The double edged sword.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, the defense claims the doctor failed to properly
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observe her patient. By relying exclusively on screens, the prosecution
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can just as easily argue that the patient refused to
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come into the office for fourteen appointments.
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Speaker 2: They can say, you sought medication from this doctor fourteen
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separate times, and never once did you make the physical
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effort to go see her in person. And this touches
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on the friction between patient autonomy and a doctor's duty
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of care. Does the screen represent a doctor who is
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detached and negligent or does it represent a patient who
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is actively managing her boundaries, perhaps even deliberately hiding her
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true physical deterioration from the doctor, And.
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Speaker 1: The jury is just left to decide which narrative feels
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more authentic. Right, But the communication medium is really only
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half the battle. We have to look at what was
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actually being prescribed based on those virtual conversations.
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Speaker 2: The pharmacology.
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Speaker 1: Let's break down the chemical cocktail and the FDA black
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box warning, because the pharmacology is the absolute engine of
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the defense's argument.
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Speaker 2: Without the pharmacology, the defense's narrative entirely falls apart. They
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need the drugs to be the catalyst.
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Speaker 1: So on that very first September fifteenth appointment. Doctor two
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diagnoses Lindsay with generalized anxiety disorder GAD and an adjustment disorder,
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and she prescribes Zoloft, which is Certra leane. Yes, before
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we look at Reddington's attack, walk me through the biology here.
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What is an adjustment disorder and why prescribe an SSRI
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like Zoloft for it?
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Speaker 2: Well, an adjustment disorder is a group of symptoms like stress,
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feeling sad, or hopelessness that occur after you go through
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a highly.
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Speaker 3: Stressful life event like childbirth.
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Speaker 2: Exactly having a child is a massive life event. The
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symptoms occur because you are having a hard time coping
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and the reaction is stronger than expected for the type
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of event. Okay, and Zoloft is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
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It essentially blocks the brain from reabsorbing serotonin, leaving more
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of this mood stabilizing mirror transmitter available in the brain.
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It is widely considered a first line defense for anxiety
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and depressive disorders.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so textbook medicine.
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Speaker 2: So far, completely text bet.
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Speaker 1: But here's where it gets really interesting. Reddington immediately exposes
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what he sees as a massive contradiction in this prescribing.
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Speaker 3: Logic the sleep issue.
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Speaker 1: Yes, He points out that Lindsay came to the doctor
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complaining of severe anxiety and a crippling inability to sleep,
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And what does the doctor prescribe zoloft.
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Speaker 2: Which is known to cause insomnia?
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Speaker 1: Right? Reddington forces Doctor two to admit on the stand
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that one of the known common side effects of zoloft
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is severe trouble sleeping.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate pharmacological catch twenty two.
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Speaker 1: I mean I struggle with this logic too. If a
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drug causes insomnia, why is it the FDA approved first
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line of defense for anxiety?
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Speaker 2: It sounds counterintuitive To a late.
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Speaker 1: Person on a jury. That sounds us malpractice. At what
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point does treating the symptom become fueling the disease. You
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have a new mother whose primary complaint is that she
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can't sleep, and you hand her a pill that alters serotonin,
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which is deeply involved in sleep architecture and keeps her awake.
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Speaker 2: From a purely clinical standpoint, Doctor two defends this by
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stating that individuals have highly varied physiological responses to SSRIs, so.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't cause insomnia in everyone.
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Speaker 2: Right, while it can cause insomnia in some it can
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be highly sedating for others. Or it might relieve the
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underlying anxiety so effectively that the patient naturally falls asleep
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because they aren't panicked anymore.
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Speaker 1: That makes medical sense.
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Speaker 2: Medical protocol dictates you tried the first line medication because
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statistically it has the best risk to reward ratio. But
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Reddington isn't arguing statistical neurobiology.
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Speaker 1: No, he's arguing to common sense.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, it sounds deeply absurd and negligent to a to
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give an exhausted insomniac a drug known to cause insomniac,
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and the.
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Speaker 1: Sleep issue is really just his opening salvo. Reddington then
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brings out the heavy artillery regarding Zoloft, which is the
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FDA black box warning.
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Speaker 2: That's a huge moment in the trial.
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Speaker 1: He aggressively questions doctor two, asking if she explicitly told
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Lindsay that Zoloft carries a black box warning for suicidal
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and homicidal ideation. Let's pause on that mechanism. What exactly
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is a black box warning?
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Speaker 2: A black box warning is the strictest, most severe warning
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placed in the labeling of prescription drugs by the FDA.
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Speaker 1: So It's not handed out lightly, not at all.
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Speaker 2: It requires significant clinical data and evidence showing a reasonable
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association between the drug and a serious, potentially life threatening hazard.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: When a defense attorney says black box warning in a courtroom,
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it carries an immense ominous weight.
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Speaker 1: So how does doctor two defend not telling her Because
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her defense to this line of question is fascinating and
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it hinges entirely on demographics.
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Speaker 2: Age cutoff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. She testifies that she did not mention the warning
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to Lindsay because that specific black box warning for suicidal
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and homicidal ideation applies to children and young adults up
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to the age of twenty four, right, and Lindsay was
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older than twenty four. So doctor two argues that according
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to strict FDA guidelines, the warning didn't formally apply to
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her patient, which.
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Speaker 2: Brings us to the biological reasoning behind that FDA age cutoff.
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Why age twenty four?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why?
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Speaker 2: It has to do with the development of the prefrontal cortex,
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which is the area of the brain responsible for impulse control,
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complex decision making, and regulating emotions. Okay, the brain undergoes
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massive neuroplasticity and myelination during adolescence, in early adulthood, and
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standard medical consensus is that the prefrontal cortex isn't fully
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mature until around age twenty five too. So the FDA
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data showed that introducing SSRIs to a still developing prefrontal
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cortex increase the risk of severe ideation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so doctor two is operating squarely within the parameters
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of statistical risk and regulatory guideline.
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Speaker 2: She is following the protocol.
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Speaker 1: But Reddington pounces on the rigidity of that logic. He
21:05
incredulously asks if a drug that is documented to cause
21:09
suicide risk in a twenty four year old magically stops
21:13
being risky for a twenty nine or thirty year old.
21:15
Speaker 2: He's exposing the vast dangerous gray area in medicine.
21:19
Speaker 1: He is basically saying to the jury, are you seriously
21:22
telling us the human brain has an internal alarm clock
21:24
that goes off at midnight on your twenty fourth birthday,
21:27
and suddenly these mind altering chemicals are perfectly.
21:30
Speaker 2: Safe because biological development does not follow strict regulatory timelines.
21:35
While the statistical risk might drop off a cliff after
21:37
age twenty four, the idea that a twenty nine year
21:40
old brain, especially a postpartum brain flooded with hormonal changes,
21:45
is entirely immune to those severe psychiatric side effects. Is
21:48
an incredibly hard cell to a jury.
21:50
Speaker 1: This plunges the courtroom straight into an intense debate about
21:53
informed consent, doesn't it?
21:55
Speaker 2: It really does, because doctor two defines informed consent on
21:58
the stand as explaining the rooms benefits and alternatives, so
22:02
the patient clearly understands their treatment.
22:04
Speaker 1: But the defense is heavily implying did she actually fulfill
22:08
that ethical and medical duty if she withheld the black
22:12
box warning about extreme violent thoughts simply because of a
22:15
technical FDA age cutoff.
22:17
Speaker 2: The defense is arguing that Lindsay's patient autonomy was violated.
22:21
How could she truly consent to ingesting a mind altering
22:24
chemical if she wasn't warned about its most extreme violent
22:28
potential side effects.
22:30
Speaker 1: And to make matters worse for the doctor, the defense
22:33
points out the contrast in their respective research.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this part is tough for the prosecution.
22:37
Speaker 1: It really is. Doctor two admits she hasn't attended specific
22:40
postpartum continuing education symposiums since her residency, relying instead on
22:45
her own independent reading to stay current. Right and Reddington
22:48
contrasts this by claiming that Lindsay herself was frantically googling
22:52
medication interactions and researching alternative therapies like ketemine treatments, which
22:56
Doctor two actually did not know about.
22:58
Speaker 2: The optics are terrible for the prosecution. Here, the defense
23:01
is painting a picture where the patient is actively desperately
23:05
trying to survive her own treatment, researching drug interactions while
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the doctor is sitting behind a.
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Speaker 1: Screen relying on independent reading.
23:12
Speaker 2: Exactly, relying on reading rather than specialized symposiums, and withholding
23:16
vital warnings based on technicalities. It completely flips the traditional dynamic.
23:22
Speaker 1: The patient looks like the expert in her own suffering.
23:24
Speaker 2: Yes, while the doctor looks passively reliant on general guidelines.
23:28
Speaker 1: Which brings us to perhaps the most tragic miscommunications in
23:32
this entire timeline. Let's look at the burden of truth
23:36
and who exactly.
23:37
Speaker 2: Failed to communicate the December first appointment.
23:40
Speaker 1: Because on December first, there is a telemedicine appointment that
23:43
is just chilling to read in retrospect.
23:46
Speaker 2: This raises an important question and it is a pivotal,
23:49
heartbreaking moment. In the transcript on December first, doctor two
23:52
notes that Lindsay explicitly denied having suicidal.
23:55
Speaker 1: Thoughts that she said she was close.
23:58
Speaker 2: Yes, Lindsay stated she was close to feeling suicidal and crucially,
24:03
that she was actively fearful of eventually having those thoughts.
24:07
Speaker 1: And Reddington uses this incredibly poetic and terrifying analogy on
24:12
the stand to describe this. He says, it's like a
24:15
fisherman out in the ocean, dwelling in fear of a
24:18
coming storm.
24:19
Speaker 2: It's very evocative image.
24:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fisherman isn't in the storm yet, he isn't drowning,
24:24
but the fear of it, the proximity to it, the
24:27
knowledge that the dark clouds are gathering, is entirely consuming him.
24:31
Speaker 2: The psychology of being close to suicidal is a highly volatile.
24:34
Speaker 3: Clinical state because they know it's coming.
24:37
Speaker 2: The patient is exhibiting a fear of their own future thoughts.
24:40
They're recognizing a loss of internal control. And yet doctor
24:45
two admits on the stand that she did not document
24:47
how frequently Lindsay was having these thoughts about being close.
24:50
Speaker 1: She testifies that she usually asks that question, but she
24:52
didn't write the answer down in the chart, right. But
24:54
the absolute bombshell revelation in this section is about the
24:58
suicide hotline.
24:59
Speaker 2: This changes everything.
25:00
Speaker 1: The defense reveals that during this timeframe, Lindsay called a
25:03
suicide hotline not once, but twice and was turned.
25:07
Speaker 2: Away, and doctor two had absolutely no idea none.
25:10
Speaker 1: She didn't ask Lindsay about calling hotlines. Yeah. Doctor two
25:13
says she only advised her to call nine to one
25:15
one or go to the er if she was in
25:17
a crisis.
25:18
Speaker 2: This raises a profound question about the reliability of patient
25:22
self reporting, which is the absolute bedrock of psychiatry.
25:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:26
Speaker 2: The court TV commentator astutely points out that the prosecution
25:30
will spin this revelation. They will ask the jury why
25:34
did Lindsay hide this crucial life saving information from her doctor.
25:38
Speaker 1: If you are desperate enough to call a suicide hot
25:40
line twice, why are you logging onto a video call
25:44
with your psychiatrist and telling her you only feel close
25:47
to suicidal?
25:47
Speaker 3: Exactly?
25:48
Speaker 1: I want to challenge you on this from the perspective
25:50
of the listener. If you go to the doctor and
25:52
you deliberately don't tell them your chest hurts, they cannot
25:55
treat you for a heart attack, right. They can't know
25:57
that is a biological fact. The doctor is psychic, But
26:01
if your illness is literally a sickness of the mind,
26:04
a sickness that chemically warps your perception of reality, consequence,
26:08
and trust, can we hold the patient strictly responsible for
26:12
not communicating clearly?
26:14
Speaker 2: That is the ultimate medical and legal paradox at the
26:17
heart of this trial.
26:18
Speaker 1: So tangled.
26:19
Speaker 2: Psychiatric patients frequently minimize their symptoms, often due to the
26:23
pathology of the illness itself, But we must consider the
26:27
highly specific context of a postpartum mother.
26:29
Speaker 1: Here the stigma.
26:30
Speaker 2: There is immense crushing societal stigma surrounding postpartum depression and psychosis.
26:36
Mothers are expected to be purely joyful. But even more
26:39
terrifying than the stigma is the fear of consequence.
26:41
Speaker 1: What kind of consequence?
26:42
Speaker 2: Doctor two admits on the stand that she is a mandated.
26:45
Speaker 1: Reporter right, meaning if she legally believes a child is
26:47
an imminent danger, she is obligated by the state to
26:51
report it to the authorities.
26:52
Speaker 2: Exactly, so, I want you to put yourself in the
26:54
mind of a severely depressed, terrified mother. You are having intrusive, violent,
26:59
terrifying thoughts that you do not want to have.
27:01
Speaker 3: Well, that sounds horrifying, but you know rationally.
27:03
Speaker 2: That if you confess the full extent of those thoughts
27:05
to your doctor, she might pick up the phone, call
27:08
Child Protective Services and have your children taken away from you.
27:11
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So the very system designed to protect the
27:14
patient can inadvertently incentivize the patient to lie.
27:18
Speaker 2: Or minimize their symptoms out of sheer terror of losing
27:21
a family.
27:22
Speaker 1: That makes total sense. And we also have to discuss
27:25
the horrific psychological reality of calling a suicide hotline and
27:30
being turned away. I can't even fathom that level of despair.
27:33
Speaker 2: It's devastating.
27:34
Speaker 1: You finally muster the courage to reach out to the
27:36
absolute last resort, a faceless voice on a hotline, and
27:40
you are rejected. What happens to a human brain when
27:44
that final lifeline snaps.
27:46
Speaker 2: It induces a state of learned helplessness. It can be
27:49
the final devastating confirmation of their darkest fears that they
27:53
are fundamentally unfixable.
27:54
Speaker 1: Wow, unfixable.
27:56
Speaker 2: A rejection from a crisis hotline can cause a patient
27:59
to completely shut down inward. They conclude that the system
28:03
has failed them, that there is no safety net left,
28:06
and that there is no point in sharing their pain
28:08
with anyone ever again, including their treating psychiatrist.
28:12
Speaker 1: It builds an impenetrable wall of silence, it really does.
28:15
And that wall of silence seems to have been fully
28:17
constructed and fortified as we move into the final weeks
28:20
of January, which brings us to the final chronology of
28:23
our deep dive, the final twenty four hours.
28:27
Speaker 2: The question of whether Lindsay was pushed over the edge.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to slow down here, because the rapid
28:32
escalation of these final prescriptions is just dizzying.
28:36
Speaker 2: This is the climax of the defense's argument regarding over medication.
28:39
They are arguing that the doctor was throwing chemicals into.
28:42
Speaker 3: A black box.
28:43
Speaker 1: Let's track this meticulously. On January ninth, Doctor two prescribes diazepam.
28:49
This is a sedative of benzodiazepine. Three days later, on
28:52
January twelfth, she adds trazodone. Four days after that, on
28:56
January sixteenth, she prescribes emmatrypt line. Break down the mechanisms
29:00
of these drugs. What happens when you stack these in
29:01
a fragile brain.
29:02
Speaker 2: It is a massive pharmacological load. Diesepam operates on the
29:07
GABBA system in the brain. It is a central nervous
29:10
system depressant designed to quickly reduce anxiety and cause sedation.
29:15
Speaker 1: Okay, so that calms things down. Right.
29:18
Speaker 2: Then trazodone is technically an antidepressant, specifically a serotonin antagonist
29:22
and reuptake inhibitor, but it is heavily used off label
29:26
as a potent sleep aid because it is highly sedating.
29:29
Speaker 1: Okay, so more sedation.
29:30
Speaker 2: And then amatryptylene is an older class of drug called
29:33
a tricyclic antidepressant.
29:35
Speaker 1: Wait, why use an older class of drug like a
29:37
tricyclic when we have modern SSRIs like zoloft.
29:40
Speaker 2: Tricyclics are often used when newer medications haven't worked, a
29:44
state known as treatment resistant depression.
29:46
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
29:47
Speaker 2: They block the reuptake of both serotonin and norapiniforin, but
29:50
they are notoriously dirty drugs, meaning they also affect other
29:54
receptors like histamine and cholinergic receptor. It means war side
29:57
effects exactly, a massive side effect profile, including severe drowsiness,
30:03
blurred vision, and cognitive dulling. When you stack a CNS depressant,
30:08
a highly sedating sorry, and a heavy tricyclic within a
30:11
single week, you are profoundly altering the brain's neurochemistry and
30:16
its ability to process reality.
30:18
Speaker 1: And look at the interval notes from that January sixteenth appointment,
30:21
when the amatrypta line is added, Lindsay reports that her
30:25
mood is very low. She says she is entirely numb.
30:28
She has to force herself out of bed. She says
30:30
she is taking care of the baby's basic physical needs,
30:33
but the emotional bonding feels quote forced.
30:36
Speaker 2: But crucially medically, she denies suicidal or homicidal ideation. The
30:40
patient denies SIHI, and she agrees with the treatment.
30:43
Speaker 1: Plan, which leads us to January twenty third. This is
30:45
the day before the murder. The final appointment, Lindsay reports
30:48
to doctor two via the screen that her mood is
30:50
deeply depressed. Doctor TWOIX explicitly notes in the chart that
30:54
her affect is depressed and flat. Lindsay reports her heart
30:57
is racing, she has absolutely no motive, and she tells
31:01
the doctor she has been feeling numb with zero motion
31:03
for seventeen days straight.
31:05
Speaker 2: Clinically, seventeen days numb is a profound state of antedonia.
31:10
Speaker 1: The inability to feel pleasure, the complete.
31:12
Speaker 2: Inability to feel pleasure or emotion. It is a massive
31:16
red flag for severe deepening depression. Wow, the optics of
31:20
this January twenty third appointment are devastating. You have a
31:24
patient who has been emotionally flat lined for over two weeks,
31:27
whose autonomic nervous system is in overdrive, with a racing heart,
31:32
and who cannot find the motivation to exist.
31:34
Speaker 1: And despite this harrowing clinical presentation, doctor two does not
31:38
recommend an immediate hospital evaluation. She doesn't. She does not
31:42
reach out to Lindsay's husband, Patrick, who had actually attended
31:45
a previous appointment so she had a line of communication
31:48
to him. She doesn't reach out to Lindsay's parents. He
31:50
just looks at this flat affect patient through a computer screen.
31:53
Speaker 2: And what does she do.
31:53
Speaker 1: Her solution to seventeen days of numbness and a racing
31:56
heart is to increase the dose of the amitrypt de line.
31:59
Speaker 2: We have to exam in the immense tension between the
32:01
medical rationale here and the defense's narrative.
32:04
Speaker 1: Because on paper it looks bad.
32:06
Speaker 2: Well, from a strict clinical protocol perspective, slowly tight trading
32:11
or increasing a drug is standard practice.
32:13
Speaker 1: Right.
32:14
Speaker 2: You start out a low dose to check for tolerability,
32:16
and if the symptoms aren't lifting, you increase the dose
32:20
to reach what is called a therapeutic level. Doctor two
32:23
testifies that it made clinical sense to titrate the medication
32:26
upward so they could reach a dose that actually combated
32:29
her depression.
32:30
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Look at the chilling
32:33
contrast in the room. You have a doctor sitting at
32:36
a computer making a standard by the book pharmaceutical adjustment
32:40
based on textbook titration protocol. But the defense is arguing that,
32:45
given the fragile, deteriorating state of the patient's brain, adding
32:49
more of a heavy tricyclic chemical was like throwing gasoline
32:52
on a fire. Yes, they are arguing that a bomb
32:55
was actively being armed in this woman's mind and the
32:57
doctor was just pressing more buttons.
33:00
Speaker 2: That leads directly to Reddington's concluding strike In this portion
33:02
of the transcript, it is a masterful theatrical summation of
33:06
his entire cross examination strategy.
33:09
Speaker 1: What does he say?
33:10
Speaker 2: He looks at the doctor and says, quote, it increased
33:13
the amatrypta line. Yes, that pushed her over the edge,
33:17
didn't it?
33:18
Speaker 1: And doctor two replies, simply, I don't think though. But
33:22
the question just hangs there in the air, vibrating in
33:26
the courtroom.
33:27
Speaker 2: Because that single question is the entire defense theory distilled
33:31
into one sentence. Reddington isn't just asking a medical question
33:34
about titration.
33:35
Speaker 1: He's planting a seed.
33:37
Speaker 2: He is planting a seed of absolute causation in the
33:39
minds of the jury. He's offering them the scapegoat they
33:43
psychologically require.
33:44
Speaker 1: Wow.
33:45
Speaker 2: He is telling them, essentially, this mother didn't do this.
33:48
The drugs did this. The doctor who prescribed the drugs
33:50
from behind a computer screen did this.
33:52
Speaker 1: It is incredibly heavy to process. Yeah, And as we
33:55
start to summarize all of this, the massive chasm between
33:58
the two realities presented in this transcript is just astounding.
34:02
Speaker 2: It's like they're looking at two different universes exactly.
34:05
Speaker 1: On one side, you have the narrative of a young
34:07
doctor following standard medical protocols. She is relying on FDA
34:12
guidelines for age cutoffs, she's relying on the bedrock of
34:15
patient self reporting, and she is trying her best to
34:19
manage a deeply complex, invisible illness through the severe limitations
34:23
of a webcam.
34:24
Speaker 2: Yes, and on the exact opposite side, you have a
34:27
defense attorney painting a vivid picture of a woman drowning
34:30
in a chemical cocktail.
34:31
Speaker 1: A woman who is frantically googling her own salvation.
34:34
Speaker 2: Exactly being rejected by the ultimate safety net of suicide hotlines,
34:39
while her doctor remains blissfully unaware, making clinical adjustments from
34:43
the other side of a digital screen without ever seeing
34:45
her patients shaking hands.
34:47
Speaker 1: I want to fiercely reiterate our neutrality rule here at
34:50
the end. We're not here to decide if Lindsay Clancy
34:52
is guilty or if she meets the complex legal definition
34:56
of criminal insanity. Definitely not, and we are absolutely not
34:59
here to revoke dot com or to his medical license
35:01
or suggests she acted with any.
35:02
Speaker 2: Malice, because that isn't the point of looking at this
35:05
transcript right.
35:06
Speaker 1: What we've observed today is how the legal system attempts
35:09
to take the infinite complexity of the human brain, the
35:12
highly subjective experience of psychological pain, and the rigid objective
35:17
realities of medical protocol and force all of that into
35:21
a binary verdict of guilty or not guilty.
35:23
Speaker 2: It is a justice system demanding absolute mathematical precision from
35:28
a biological science that is inherently forced to operate in
35:32
very murky waters exactly.
35:35
Speaker 1: And I want to leave you with a final thought
35:36
tam all over. Building on what we've discussed today, this
35:39
transcript forces us to look in the mirror at the
35:42
modern reality of our healthcare.
35:44
Speaker 2: System, a digital aspect of it.
35:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, we carry supercomputers in our pockets. We can see
35:48
a doctor vs. Green in five minutes without of relieving
35:50
our living rooms. We have access to endless powerful chemical interventions.
35:54
Speaker 2: It's all so accessible.
35:56
Speaker 1: But as we've seen today, data is not the same
35:59
as connection. A face on a screen does not show
36:02
the bouncing leg beneath the desk. If our mental health
36:05
system is increasingly becoming a series of fifteen minute video
36:08
calls and pharmaceutical adjustments, we have to ask ourselves a
36:11
terrifying question. In our relentless rush to make healthcare more efficient,
36:15
more scalable, and more accessible, are we accidentally engineering a
36:19
system where human beings can quietly violently slip through the
36:23
cracks while staring right into the camera.
36:25
Speaker 2: That is something we all need to think about.
36:27
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us in this deep dive.
36:29
We'll catch you on the next one.