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Ep. 845: Rut Fresh Radio - Locked Down or Locked in? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's Rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
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Speaker 1: the latest reports from the whitetail Woods, presented by First Light,
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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts,
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Speaker 1: Casey Smith and Tyler.
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Speaker 2: Jones, Welcome to Refresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith.
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Speaker 2: The rut is on or is it? Is it locked down?
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Speaker 2: Or are you locked in? This is Retfresh, Let's go.
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Speaker 2: What is happening? Everyone? Welcome to Refresh Radio. I'm your
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Speaker 2: host Casey Smith. Tyler Jones is here as well. We
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Speaker 2: are brought to you by First Light Year and we
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Speaker 2: are rocking and rolling throughout the country hunting white till Dear,
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Speaker 2: how neat is that we get to see the rut unfold?
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Speaker 3: Tyler, I'm not powered by that apple. I just ate
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Speaker 3: umpowered by First Lee.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know.
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Speaker 2: You uh, you know, you have a little meat, have
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Speaker 2: a little bread, you know that kind of stuff. We
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Speaker 2: had a lot of bread actually around here. So there's
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Speaker 2: this thing that's phenomenon that happens, phenomena that's actually on
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Speaker 2: the muppets. If you're on hunting trips, Uh, sometimes you
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Speaker 2: kind of have these little grocery store runs. We just
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Speaker 2: grab some stuff you think you need. Well, every once
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Speaker 2: in a while you load up on bread, you know,
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Speaker 2: and you end up with like four or five loaves.
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Speaker 4: Of bread, maybe five or six.
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Speaker 2: And you look at like when you do it, you
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Speaker 2: don't think you're getting too many. But long story short, yard,
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Speaker 2: you forget how many. You buy a lot of peanut
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Speaker 2: butter and jelly, and then you figure out a way
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Speaker 2: to use all that bread on your hunting trips.
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Speaker 3: Tyler, it's like two loaves turned into you know, enough
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Speaker 3: to feed fast man.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Uh So I have a question for you, Tyler.
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Speaker 2: What is the key to packing peanut butter and jellies
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Speaker 2: in your hunting pack and not having them turn into
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Speaker 2: a squish fit?
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Speaker 4: No such thing. Yeah, that's why I take apple.
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Speaker 2: I like, do you like a squish peanut butter and jelly?
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Speaker 5: No way?
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Speaker 4: No, I want. I want the middle of that thing
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Speaker 4: to be.
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Speaker 2: Busting, busting, not busting, but busting. But no, it will
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Speaker 2: taste busting, it will.
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Speaker 4: The middle of it needs to be busting.
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Speaker 3: It needs to be like it looked like a turtle shell,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I need that what I
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Speaker 3: need when I start buying into it for it to
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Speaker 3: start going out the other side.
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Speaker 2: We've been uh, we have been doing quite a bit
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Speaker 2: of hunting.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Team Ellman has killed let me just say, a lot
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Speaker 2: of deer in the past week and a half. We
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Speaker 2: went on quite the run. If you want to hear
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Speaker 2: about some of that, you can go listen to the
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Speaker 2: Element podcast and talk about it. But we have learned
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Speaker 2: a lot about deer hunting this year. It's funny. I
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Speaker 2: feel like I I've been hunting for a long time
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Speaker 2: and I learn a ton every year, and the thing
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Speaker 2: I've learned this year is a lot more about calling,
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Speaker 2: specifically rattling and its effectiveness and win Tyler, we rattling
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Speaker 2: a buck together and you shot him, and he's a
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Speaker 2: giant way to go, You.
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Speaker 4: Way to go. Bruh.
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Speaker 2: What did you take from that that you think you
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Speaker 2: can apply kind of across all mediums in the hunting world.
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Speaker 3: Probably that if I feel good about a place that's
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Speaker 3: over a mile in walking distance, that it's probably a
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Speaker 3: pretty good place to go try to kill a deer.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I saw on that little
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Speaker 2: jount where we killed that deer's when the sign picked
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Speaker 2: up increasingly. That's whenever we started getting into deer like
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Speaker 2: we saw some rubs and scrapes on our walk, bumped
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Speaker 2: a few little does, saw a bed, saw some really
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Speaker 2: you know, nice rubs, and then the next rattling sequence
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Speaker 2: were rattling a buck. So I think that hot sign
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Speaker 2: is the ticket almost any time of the year. You know,
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Speaker 2: hot sign people talk a lot about that for you know,
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Speaker 2: pre rut stuff. But I think that even right now,
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Speaker 2: if you can find stuff that wasn't there a day
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Speaker 2: or two ago and it is right now, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty much rocking and rolling. In fact, we just
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Speaker 2: hung a camera yesterday on a place that there was
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Speaker 2: a bunch of little whisty trees that didn't have any
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Speaker 2: rubs on them at all two weeks ago, and then
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Speaker 2: we go back over there yesterday and there's fresh shakee
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Speaker 2: shavings on the ground, and sure enough, hang a camera
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Speaker 2: right there and there's a nice three year old buck.
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Speaker 2: He's not quite a shooter yet, but you know, like
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Speaker 2: instantaneous data that you can kind of work off of
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Speaker 2: with that, but you know, it just kind of shows
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Speaker 2: you at that fresh sign and fresh sign is kind
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Speaker 2: of the key this week around the country. We talked
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Speaker 2: to people that are kind of experienced different experiencing different
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Speaker 2: rut situations, because that's kind of what happens around the country.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: Everybody thinks about, you know, November first through the tenth
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Speaker 2: being just like hot and heavy, crazy rut, and that's
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Speaker 2: really not the case everywhere. I mean, absolutely those are
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Speaker 2: great dates, but we still have a lot of great
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Speaker 2: days ahead of us, still for almost anywhere in the country.
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Speaker 2: And we're gonna hear from a couple of people that
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Speaker 2: kind of give some antegial evidence for that to be
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Speaker 2: the case, whether that's just later rut dates or just
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Speaker 2: some good confidence in like the second and third go
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Speaker 2: around for Bucks coming off doors and coming back on
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Speaker 2: and Tyler, you're actually a guy who has had a
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Speaker 2: lot of success in the teens of November, right, I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've been kiss the team.
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Speaker 2: Do you hear on thee on the tenth, I've killed a.
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Speaker 3: Couple on the tenth, I've killed one on the eleventh,
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Speaker 3: and then I've killed a lot of them like post Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we do have some good dates ahead
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Speaker 2: of us. The encouraging thing to see here.
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Speaker 3: Sure, you know you asked me when I shot one
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Speaker 3: eyed Jack. I think it was the second of December. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and he was following old matriarch Dough, I mean ten
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Speaker 3: yards behind her when he came third.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's uh when you were So I know
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Speaker 2: that place you shot that deer, but I don't quite
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Speaker 2: understand what it functions as. Is it like a staging
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Speaker 2: area for food or what is what? Like where did
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Speaker 2: you kill that?
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Speaker 3: I'd say that immediate spot, but it's a very small
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Speaker 3: spot that would be considered staging maybe. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 3: it's and it's not It's not like the deer going
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Speaker 3: to stage there for thirty minutes. I mean they're going
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Speaker 3: to stay there for five minutes before they get out
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Speaker 3: on the edge of the field.
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Speaker 4: But you know, the other micro.
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Speaker 3: Habitat feature or whatever you want to call it that's
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Speaker 3: there is you know, betting, there's.
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Speaker 4: A there's a lot of there's a kind of a.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, sub irrigated there, and kind of a
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Speaker 3: lot of like low spots. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: little small elevation changes with grass and plums and cedars
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Speaker 3: and a lot of little nooks for them to hide
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Speaker 3: in and can hold a lot of dose. And I
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Speaker 3: call it it's kind of a nursery maybe or something
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Speaker 3: like that. I mean, it's it's just dough betting us
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Speaker 3: as much as anything. Yeah, Tyler who to be on
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Speaker 3: the show today, Well, you mentioned our buddy Anthony Warren.
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Speaker 4: He's in Kansas.
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Speaker 3: Got some good kind of different a different outlook on Kansas,
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Speaker 3: some really good intricate stuff there.
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Speaker 4: He's a really well fought guy.
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Speaker 3: Our buddy Ley McNasty McClendon in Louisiana. He's uh, he's
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Speaker 3: a twinkie away from killing a big buck at all times.
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Speaker 2: Soon to be of meteor fame. He'll be on the
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Speaker 2: YouTube channel pretty Sion.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Our buddy Reyes Johnson, who if you follow him on
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Speaker 3: social media, you know he's not just a big buck killer,
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Speaker 3: but he is a big buck fanatic. He finds big deer,
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Speaker 3: takes trail camera pictures of him and finds sheds often.
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Speaker 3: He had some uh you know success there in Kentucky
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Speaker 3: like he normally does. And then finally, you know, one
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Speaker 3: of our media correspondents, Adam Moore, is going to be
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Speaker 3: in the Mississippi is gonna be in Mississippi doing the
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Speaker 3: thing there where it is still very warm and muggy,
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Speaker 3: just like it is in East Texas.
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Speaker 2: Casey, well, that sounds good. Let's get him on the phone.
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Speaker 3: This is one of my really good friends, Anthony Warren.
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Speaker 3: He is a big buck shooter sometimes a big buck killer,
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Speaker 3: and he has killed one recently in Kansas. Anthony, what's
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Speaker 3: going on, dude?
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Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going, guys?
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Speaker 7: How are y'all?
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Speaker 4: We're good.
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Speaker 3: We're you know, traveling around trying to shoot some deer
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Speaker 3: and we don't have the same luxury of you as
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Speaker 3: the punch tag this week, but we're working on it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. Well, sometimes you get lucky, man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say that maybe providential too. But let
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Speaker 3: me say this. You have been all up in the
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Speaker 3: deer in a couple of different states, but we're talking
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Speaker 3: about Kansas right now. And if I recall correctly, you've
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Speaker 3: been calling some deer in right Has that been working
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Speaker 3: for you pretty well?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It has.
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Speaker 6: I think it's getting to a point where it's gonna
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Speaker 6: start slowing down. Probably over the last day to two days,
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Speaker 6: I've actually seen.
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Speaker 2: A lot more of the deer.
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Speaker 6: They seem to be locked down with those, and they've
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Speaker 6: kind of made a transition. We got some good weather
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Speaker 6: and the Tempts kind of cooled off one evening and
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Speaker 6: it just seemed like they were super receptive, and I
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Speaker 6: think that kind.
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Speaker 2: Of triggered a lot of the bucks to start.
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Speaker 6: Speaking those and then transition now into what I believe
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Speaker 6: is going to be locked down the next few days.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha, So what what's the call that you feel like
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Speaker 3: is most advantageous right now?
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Speaker 6: You know, I've been kind of throwing a trio out there,
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Speaker 6: and generally it's whenever I see a buck and I
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Speaker 6: kind of start with, you know, real light rattle sequence,
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Speaker 6: especially if they're close. After that, I have been using
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Speaker 6: a grunt to just a little bit, so I might
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Speaker 6: rattle for thirty seconds, do a quick grunt, and then
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Speaker 6: if I don't get anything after that, I may throw
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Speaker 6: out a real light snort wheeze, and that combination is
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Speaker 6: and pretty lethal so far.
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Speaker 2: The last five to six days for me. Okay, So,
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Speaker 2: as we're moving into like some lockdown stuff, do you
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Speaker 2: think that you can still hunt pinch points and be
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Speaker 2: effective or are you looking for something different?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I would I would say that there's probably a combination
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Speaker 6: of things. You can definitely hunt pinch points, because I
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Speaker 6: think I think as bucks transition off one dough to
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Speaker 6: the next dough, they're still going to use those pinch points.
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Speaker 5: But what I would be more.
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Speaker 6: Focused on right now, if I were going to spend
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Speaker 6: a lot of my time out in the woods, would
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Speaker 6: be just thick, nasty betting areas and maybe just slightly
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Speaker 6: downwindo those betting areas as I see a lot of
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Speaker 6: bucks like to kind of sin check those areas, especially
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Speaker 6: if they don't have to go into those thick places
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Speaker 6: to find those. They just want to be really quick
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Speaker 6: smell the down wind side and get onto the next
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Speaker 6: betting area, do you, And so that's what I would
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Speaker 6: focus on.
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Speaker 2: Do you glass a lot during kind of lockdown stuff too,
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Speaker 2: and just try to find you and make moves on them?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: If I'm if I'm not feeling very confident, I do.
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Speaker 5: A lot of driving and surviving.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, do a lot of driving, a lot of glassing,
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Speaker 6: and just try to pinpoint where I'm seeing a lot
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Speaker 6: of movement and then make a move into that place.
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Speaker 2: Got you cool? So as we look here at the
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Speaker 2: next week, do you think that we're going to see
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Speaker 2: another time when the bucks do break off and we
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Speaker 2: have another rut flurry or do you think that it's
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Speaker 2: kind of a downhill from here?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely.
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Speaker 6: I'm I'm a big fan of this second into third
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Speaker 6: week of November, and I feel like you can really
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Speaker 6: get a big buck that is transitioning off of a
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Speaker 6: off of a dough looking for the next one, and
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Speaker 6: they seem to get kind of frantic because in their
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Speaker 6: mind they know that things are probably gonna start winding down.
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Speaker 6: So you can still catch them doing some real crazy
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Speaker 6: things and being, you know, kind of unpredictable. But if
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Speaker 6: you're in the right spot, it's it's kind of a
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Speaker 6: predict pattern. I like the weather going into the upcoming week.
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Speaker 6: I like the fact that these deer will be transitioning
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Speaker 6: looking for new dos. It's one of my favorite times
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Speaker 6: of the year going into next week.
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Speaker 4: Sure thing.
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Speaker 3: So on a scale of one to ten, next week,
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Speaker 3: what do you predict the buck movement to be?
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Speaker 5: Like?
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Speaker 6: I like to say, you know, probably around eight to nine.
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Speaker 6: It's still gonna be really super high.
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Speaker 5: The reason I.
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Speaker 6: Don't give it a full ten is because there will
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Speaker 6: still be bucks that are going to be locked down
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Speaker 6: with those and so it's just gonna be about putting
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Speaker 6: a lot of hours into the stand, being close to
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Speaker 6: betting areas or tench points between betting areas, and I
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Speaker 6: feel like a guy can have a lot of success
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Speaker 6: doing those things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good call, man. I think that's gonna be the
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Speaker 3: same case for a lot of places in the country.
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Speaker 3: So I appreciate the report, man, and we'll be talking
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Speaker 3: to you again sometime, I'm sure this year.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, guys, I appreciate you on the phone.
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Speaker 2: Probably the funniest hunter in the world in Lay McClinton.
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Speaker 2: Also know who's Lay McNasty. He's in Louisiana. What's up?
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Speaker 5: Both own?
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Speaker 4: Nothing?
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Speaker 5: Drinking? Seltzer's hanging out with my cats.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's on brand for you, that's right. You've
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Speaker 2: been hunting all over the country, but you keep tabs
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Speaker 2: and losing in a whole lot because it's home and
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Speaker 2: I know you're fixing to get into the woods quite
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Speaker 2: a bit. What is essentially going on in Louisiana right
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Speaker 2: now with the deer?
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Speaker 9: Well, right now, you know me not being holed. I
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Speaker 9: haven't really been getting a whole lot of true right activity,
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Speaker 9: not the big deal. But you know, I've noticed things
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Speaker 9: such as, you know, your bachelor groups breaking up, you know,
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Speaker 9: as the testosterone starts to build and kind of you know,
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Speaker 9: you hear a lot of people saying, oh, I'm not
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Speaker 9: getting any of my buck's on camera anymore, you know,
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Speaker 9: that bold saying. But yeah, I've been getting a lot
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Speaker 9: of separation. But also I've been having friends nearby that
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Speaker 9: i've back actually gotten to kill some of the more
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Speaker 9: target deer I've had. So I think that's definitely a
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Speaker 9: sign of you know, the group's breaking up, more territory
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Speaker 9: expanding and things such as that.
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Speaker 5: But on the flip side, you know, I'm still getting.
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Speaker 9: A lot of doze with their funds, and but you
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Speaker 9: know that that young buck pressure it is starting to
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Speaker 9: pick up.
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Speaker 5: You know, you can tell that.
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Speaker 9: These young bucks are starting to get antsy, They're starting
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Speaker 9: to get excited. You know, it's like your little junior
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Speaker 9: high boys trying to flirt with the senior girls.
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Speaker 2: You know, but at least they got some confidence, you know,
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Speaker 2: That's right. So, I know the Louisiana's a place that
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Speaker 2: has a lot of different rut dates and different zones.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think maybe I might have seen that
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Speaker 2: there's twenty something different kind of designated rout dates for Louisiana,
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Speaker 2: depending where you're at. I know, so this question is
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Speaker 2: a little bit localized, but in general, where you're at,
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Speaker 2: when do you usually see like that peak rut activity?
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Speaker 2: Are we like still a little ways out on that.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's coming up now for soon, like
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Speaker 9: within the next week or two. We've always banked on,
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Speaker 9: you know, like that Thanksgiving week, and.
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Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of people hear that.
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Speaker 9: But I would say also right now, you know, there's
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Speaker 9: been a lot of people catching these daytime slips to
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Speaker 9: where part of me thinks, you know, not right now,
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Speaker 9: it's not a bad time. You'll probably catch more bucks
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Speaker 9: cruising around and you know, just doing that normal nocturnal
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Speaker 9: nonsense they like to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeahs, have the have the acorns affected any of the
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Speaker 3: cameras sidings that you have?
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Speaker 5: Not? Not really. I'm not saying that it doesn't alter
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Speaker 5: where they might hang out more.
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Speaker 9: But I've still thrown out some feed and you know,
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Speaker 9: had plenty.
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Speaker 5: Of them come by.
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Speaker 9: But with with deer and feed, you also get a
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Speaker 9: you know.
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Speaker 5: A great big bucket full of hogs.
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Speaker 4: Pour in yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that you hunt next door to this
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Speaker 3: really famous girl named Sasha and she's been shooting here
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Speaker 3: at your box.
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Speaker 9: Hey, yeah, man, Sasha is out there killing on the
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Speaker 9: woods making me sad, and.
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Speaker 5: I can't stand that girl. All she can say is okay.
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 3: I hate that for you, man, But sometimes, you know,
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Speaker 3: neighbors mess things up for you.
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Speaker 4: Are you seeing you? Are you? Are you seeing?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 4: Dates?
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Speaker 3: Would you say there's like a lock down there in Louisiana?
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Speaker 9: Shoot, I would say like that late November in my opinion,
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Speaker 9: because I've gone through many phases.
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Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, everybody hypes the rut up. Everybody's like, man,
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Speaker 5: you gotta be out there.
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Speaker 9: Not that they're wrong, but you know, I can't count
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Speaker 9: the years that I've said, man, I hate the rut.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I hate hunting the rut.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Normally that Thanksgiving time, you know, if not to say
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Speaker 9: that you won't catch and run.
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Speaker 5: By in the twinkle of an eye.
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Speaker 9: But it's also during that time when they locked.
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Speaker 4: Down, you got them twinkly eyes.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you that's right, dude. You know he rhymes
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Speaker 2: Jameis Winston. They kind of got that flow, you know,
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Speaker 2: as they say, whatever, that's crazy and it works, like
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Speaker 2: all right, So if we're looking at the next week,
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Speaker 2: since we're a little bit off of you know, the
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Speaker 2: peak Ruk yet and you know it's probably going to
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Speaker 2: be pretty warm there. I know a lot of the
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Speaker 2: country's experience in warmth, and you know you'll want a
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Speaker 2: pretty far south like we are. But the deer kind
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Speaker 2: of used to it. So in general, let's just just
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Speaker 2: go for the number here on a scale of one
17:28
Speaker 2: to ten, What do you think buck movement's going to
17:30
Speaker 2: be like in the next week in Louisiana?
17:34
Speaker 5: If I had to be honest, you.
17:35
Speaker 9: Know, just this being the way it is, i'd give
17:38
Speaker 9: it like a seven, maybe seven point seven point seven maybe.
17:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's pretty good. You sound like Portnoy on
17:45
Speaker 2: a pizza review. That's cool. So you feel like it's
17:50
Speaker 2: a pretty good time to get in the wood steel.
17:52
Speaker 5: I feel like it's your best huh yeah. I mean
17:55
Speaker 5: you'll you'll have a lot of people say, well, the
17:57
Speaker 5: root was late, you know, I don't. I don't think this.
17:59
Speaker 9: I don't know if that will be the case, could be.
18:02
Speaker 9: What my thought is, this is normally the time it's
18:06
Speaker 9: it happens, and you can't kill him sitting around on
18:09
Speaker 9: the couch eating Debbie.
18:12
Speaker 2: Well, he knows that because he's trying it. It doesn't work. Uh, brother,
18:16
Speaker 2: appreciate the report from Louisiana. And I hope you get
18:19
Speaker 2: to crack one with that boat pretty soon.
18:22
Speaker 10: Yeah, i'd like to, would be would be nice.
18:26
Speaker 5: H m.
18:53
Speaker 9: Hm, h m hm.
19:00
Speaker 3: We've got Reys Johnson on the phone right now and
19:02
Speaker 3: he's been out in Kentucky, which is where he's from,
19:05
Speaker 3: and he is just a big buck killer. He's always
19:08
Speaker 3: finding big buck sheds and he's always finding a way
19:10
Speaker 3: to get big bucks on the ground, and he's done
19:12
Speaker 3: that recently in Kentucky. Reese, how's everything going, man, It's
19:16
Speaker 3: been great.
19:17
Speaker 8: We just wrapping up opening the weekend deer camp here
19:20
Speaker 8: in Kentucky. Had quite a few guys in and the deer.
19:24
Speaker 8: The deer didn't fare too well. The we had we had,
19:30
Speaker 8: We're pretty we had.
19:30
Speaker 5: Pretty good, a pretty good run here this week. They
19:33
Speaker 5: were definitely moving around. Yeah.
19:35
Speaker 8: I think, of course, it's left an ideal weather conditions.
19:38
Speaker 8: One of the oddest novembers. I can recall as many
19:42
Speaker 8: east winds as I run across it feels like I
19:45
Speaker 8: think I don't think many people, especially in the southern half,
19:49
Speaker 8: have enjoyed our warmer temperatures.
19:52
Speaker 2: You know, we've been seeing.
19:53
Speaker 8: What sixty five and seventy quite a bit. But but
19:56
Speaker 8: the ret's gonna do what the Rut's gonna do. And
19:59
Speaker 8: you know, they're they're they're moving around, they're doing their thing,
20:02
Speaker 8: still happening. It seems like, you know, that first hour,
20:05
Speaker 8: that last hour of kind of what you'd expect, lots
20:08
Speaker 8: of night time activity, and so that of course makes
20:11
Speaker 8: it a challenge I think for anyone, uh, this time
20:14
Speaker 8: of the year, with this kind of November that we're having.
20:17
Speaker 8: And so but we had, Yeah, we had a pretty
20:19
Speaker 8: good run just sek with uh a lot of the
20:22
Speaker 8: guys seeing seeing just mostly cruising, most cruising.
20:25
Speaker 3: Okay, so with that, are you are you guys getting
20:28
Speaker 3: into open areas and glassing some or are you sitting
20:31
Speaker 3: in pinch points?
20:31
Speaker 4: You sitting in thick stuff? What's the what's the game
20:34
Speaker 4: plan there?
20:35
Speaker 6: Uh?
20:36
Speaker 8: Most of it was, you know, we've got a few
20:38
Speaker 8: food plots kind of thing. We're set back, uh not
20:41
Speaker 8: put the pressure on, you know, keep trying to keep
20:44
Speaker 8: what we can keep alive where we can hopefully focus
20:47
Speaker 8: on the target deer, uh that you know that we're
20:49
Speaker 8: in thereafter the mature deer hopefully, And so that's really
20:52
Speaker 8: kind of what we're We stayed out. You know, there
20:54
Speaker 8: are a few pinch points where you know, there's a
20:56
Speaker 8: creek bottom. One of the deer that came this week
20:59
Speaker 8: was cruising two thirty nine in the afternoons along the
21:02
Speaker 8: creek bottom. That was one of the one of the
21:04
Speaker 8: five year olds we were looking for, and so we
21:06
Speaker 8: were able to have a little success there. And so yeah,
21:09
Speaker 8: we've not, in my opinion, of course, seen too much
21:12
Speaker 8: of lockdown now they're they're definitely it definitely has happened,
21:16
Speaker 8: But I don't think we're in the.
21:19
Speaker 5: Thick of that just quite yet.
21:21
Speaker 2: So a lot of people know you as a trail
21:22
Speaker 2: camera guy for good reason. You're in a lot of cameras.
21:25
Speaker 2: Are you getting a lot of this data from cameras,
21:27
Speaker 2: like as far as ninetime movement and stuff? And then
21:30
Speaker 2: like how does that strategy play into like the heat
21:32
Speaker 2: of the rut.
21:34
Speaker 8: Yeah, so so right now with all the cameras, I mean,
21:36
Speaker 8: they're they're lacking on intel because the deer aren't doing
21:39
Speaker 8: what they normally do.
21:40
Speaker 2: You know, because the rut is so chaotic.
21:42
Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems they're just you know, so it's very
21:44
Speaker 8: difficult to take pertinent information from those cameras this time and.
21:47
Speaker 5: Put it to use.
21:49
Speaker 8: Uh, just being discommunicating with folks that are hunting, friends
21:51
Speaker 8: are here in camp and that sort of thing, getting
21:54
Speaker 8: getting to talk to people friends, you know, wherever they're
21:58
Speaker 8: at locally, or what they're seeing, you know, right now,
22:01
Speaker 8: I would put more stock in that than I would,
22:05
Speaker 8: you know, what the cameras are saying, just because you know,
22:07
Speaker 8: most of your cameras probably most everyone's got them on scrapes.
22:10
Speaker 4: You might have them on an edge, you might have
22:12
Speaker 4: them on a pinch.
22:13
Speaker 8: Those deer they're doing things that there was a buck
22:16
Speaker 8: And I live in a somewhat suburban setting, somewhat rural,
22:19
Speaker 8: but there was a buck locked down here in the
22:21
Speaker 8: yard right in my driveway, you know. So I mean
22:23
Speaker 8: they're doing they're doing things they would never normally do.
22:25
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so it's really hard to take that.
22:27
Speaker 8: It's really hard to take that trail camera information and
22:30
Speaker 8: apply it to what's physically happening out there, because they
22:33
Speaker 8: don't know what they're doing.
22:34
Speaker 5: Yes, sure, shield they're running hard.
22:36
Speaker 2: So what if what if a hunter doesn't know what
22:38
Speaker 2: he's doing because he has no data to go off of.
22:40
Speaker 2: What's what's the move this week to Like, if you know,
22:42
Speaker 2: if you're just kind of blind and you're just like,
22:45
Speaker 2: I need to go just figure something out, what do
22:48
Speaker 2: you do?
22:49
Speaker 8: So nothing obviously beats up time in the woods just
22:53
Speaker 8: being out there. You know, I'm anticipating that this week
22:55
Speaker 8: is when lockdown is really gonna you know, if we
22:58
Speaker 8: haven't entered.
22:58
Speaker 5: It already, he's going to really come in to play.
23:00
Speaker 8: So it's where's that big buck going to take that
23:02
Speaker 8: dough and try to get.
23:04
Speaker 5: Her away from other bucks as possible.
23:06
Speaker 8: So my anticipation would be something some betting, something thick,
23:09
Speaker 8: something off the wall that you can potentially not pressure
23:12
Speaker 8: if that's the way you want.
23:13
Speaker 7: To play it, or maybe this is the day that
23:15
Speaker 7: you want.
23:16
Speaker 8: To go make that aggressive move, get in there and
23:19
Speaker 8: hope that it pays off.
23:20
Speaker 10: M m hm.
23:21
Speaker 4: That's good thoughts man.
23:22
Speaker 3: So you know, with the warm temps, I know you
23:26
Speaker 3: guys have still had success because of the rut. How
23:28
Speaker 3: does it compare to this this coming week? I mean
23:31
Speaker 3: what do you think on a scale of one to ten,
23:33
Speaker 3: the Buck movement is going to be like then this
23:35
Speaker 3: next week.
23:37
Speaker 8: I'm gonna give it a seven.
23:39
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
23:40
Speaker 8: You know it's not it's not everything we can we could,
23:42
Speaker 8: you know, hope for otherwise condition wise, but it is
23:46
Speaker 8: still November, the week, the week of November that we
23:50
Speaker 8: we all wait for. Looking at the ten day nothing
23:53
Speaker 8: is impressive, very bland weather.
23:56
Speaker 5: You know, we're not seeing anything.
23:58
Speaker 4: We're not seeing anything.
24:00
Speaker 8: Old have been fifty five for the next ten days,
24:02
Speaker 8: so you know, so that makes it really difficult.
24:04
Speaker 5: So you're looking at hours.
24:05
Speaker 8: In the tree and you know, really uh, I think
24:09
Speaker 8: the first the first hour in the last hour will.
24:11
Speaker 7: Be the most productive.
24:12
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, that sounds great. Man.
24:15
Speaker 3: So a seven man just slightly above the Midwest six.
24:18
Speaker 4: I like it a lot.
24:19
Speaker 3: I think it's a good time to be out. And
24:21
Speaker 3: I appreciate the report from Kentucky Reese.
24:24
Speaker 4: Well, best luck there.
24:25
Speaker 8: Everyone, and and just it's that it's that best time
24:29
Speaker 8: of year Sember that's out there.
24:30
Speaker 4: That's it, man, Thank you.
24:32
Speaker 2: On the phone, I've got Adam Moore. He is the
24:34
Speaker 2: gear editor for me Eater and he's been doing some
24:36
Speaker 2: hunting Mississippi. Adam, what's happening, bro?
24:39
Speaker 5: Hey, KC.
24:39
Speaker 7: How's it going?
24:40
Speaker 2: Oh, it's going good. I'm just looking at the planes
24:43
Speaker 2: and how windy and kind of warm it he is.
24:45
Speaker 2: How's it Mississippi right now?
24:47
Speaker 7: Uh, it's it's pretty warm. Actually, it's been muggy the
24:51
Speaker 7: past few weeks here, so no ideal hunting weather. But
24:55
Speaker 7: but yeah, it could be It's a.
24:57
Speaker 2: It could be worse, Yeah, for sure. I mean at
24:58
Speaker 2: least it's hunting season, right. So in your area, what
25:03
Speaker 2: are typical rut dates? And then what are the deer
25:06
Speaker 2: doing right now?
25:08
Speaker 5: Yeah?
25:08
Speaker 7: So you know, in Mississippi we've got the weird rut
25:12
Speaker 7: compared to the rest of the country, so you'll see
25:14
Speaker 7: a lot of varied dates by regions of the state.
25:18
Speaker 7: So up in the Delta, right, which is kind of
25:20
Speaker 7: the big buck hub of the state, that could be early
25:23
Speaker 7: December or even the week of Thanksgiving, a lot of
25:27
Speaker 7: hunting where I do. In the central part of the state,
25:31
Speaker 7: it's typically the week after Christmas, first week of January,
25:34
Speaker 7: that's New Year's Day is always the time I want
25:37
Speaker 7: to be in the woods. And then actually in the
25:39
Speaker 7: southern part of the state where I live, rutting actions
25:42
Speaker 7: usually going on early February.
25:44
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
25:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, And so right now you're in full fledged
25:48
Speaker 2: pre rut I guess when you're out there.
25:49
Speaker 7: Huh, Well, it's a lot like mid October. So we
25:55
Speaker 7: have this weird period from the beginning of October to
25:58
Speaker 7: really now when it's probably you know, the best way
26:01
Speaker 7: I can put it is like October for the rest
26:04
Speaker 7: of you know, the deer country. So deer still hitting acorns,
26:07
Speaker 7: they're really just now hitting scrapes, opening those back up.
26:10
Speaker 7: You're starting to see a lot more rubs. Found a
26:14
Speaker 7: lot of fresh scrapes this weekend. So that's kind of
26:16
Speaker 7: where we're at. Not not to the pre right yet,
26:19
Speaker 7: just still in that you know, that early October feeding pattern.
26:25
Speaker 3: So so bed to feed. So I mean, what is
26:28
Speaker 3: what is the daylight movement looking like? Is it's still
26:31
Speaker 3: pretty much right at the end of shooting light every day?
26:35
Speaker 7: Yeah, pretty much, especially with the warmer tempered temperatures and stuff.
26:40
Speaker 7: You know, they don't have to move a ton down
26:42
Speaker 7: here to find water, even though it's just sort of everywhere,
26:46
Speaker 7: so water is not really a it's kind of a
26:49
Speaker 7: non factor because it's really everywhere, but they're hitting a
26:51
Speaker 7: lot of white oats. We've actually had a really good
26:54
Speaker 7: acre and crop this year, so white oaks, swamp chest nuts,
26:58
Speaker 7: red oats really won't be in the play until December.
27:02
Speaker 7: But yeah, they're kind of on that bed to feed.
27:05
Speaker 7: But it's been pretty consistent from what I've seen in
27:09
Speaker 7: my short time in the field this year and from
27:12
Speaker 7: a few cameras.
27:12
Speaker 3: So, so, would you prefer to be close to betting
27:16
Speaker 3: or would you prefer to be near a scrape?
27:20
Speaker 7: I'd probably say close to bedding, just because you know,
27:24
Speaker 7: a lot of betting down here is going to look
27:26
Speaker 7: like young time tickets, and so the deer are going
27:30
Speaker 7: to be in there really until about that last thirty
27:33
Speaker 7: minutes of shooting light scrapes, they're, like I said, they're
27:37
Speaker 7: just starting to hit those. But still I think a
27:40
Speaker 7: lot of that's at night time anyway.
27:42
Speaker 2: So you know, we kind of live in a golf
27:44
Speaker 2: state as well, in uh, lots of weather systems, lots
27:48
Speaker 2: of kind of strange things that go on this time
27:50
Speaker 2: of year, between tropical depressions and hurricanes and all this
27:53
Speaker 2: and that and the other. Right, and you know, I
27:55
Speaker 2: know that there's some stuff going on out of the
27:57
Speaker 2: golf and stuff that's moved in. How do you hunt
28:01
Speaker 2: kind of around weather like that? You know, like, are
28:03
Speaker 2: you gonna hunt in the rain, You're gonna hunt it
28:05
Speaker 2: after the rain or does that affect the deer?
28:09
Speaker 7: Yeah? I love to hunt right after rain. I haven't.
28:12
Speaker 7: I've never had much luck you know, during during rain
28:17
Speaker 7: storms or anything like that. But I love I do
28:20
Speaker 7: a lot of still hunting. So we have a long
28:22
Speaker 7: gun season down here too, so I do do a
28:25
Speaker 7: lot of still hunting, and that's just perfect for after
28:27
Speaker 7: a after a rain comes through, so it will keep
28:31
Speaker 7: a lot of people out of the woods, even you know,
28:34
Speaker 7: this time of year and we have you know, warmer
28:36
Speaker 7: attempts and stuff like that. So uh still love to go,
28:40
Speaker 7: you know, regardless of what the weather is. But if
28:42
Speaker 7: I had to pick it, would it would certainly be
28:44
Speaker 7: like that right after the rain breaks or you know,
28:48
Speaker 7: the day after.
28:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, So as we look forward
28:52
Speaker 2: to the next week, you know, it's not quite the
28:53
Speaker 2: rut and those scrapes are opening up.
28:55
Speaker 5: Though.
28:57
Speaker 2: If you had to rank buck movement on a scale
28:59
Speaker 2: of one to ten during the daylight, what are you
29:01
Speaker 2: going to rank it for Mississippi.
29:03
Speaker 7: Oh it's gonna be I'll say it three, and that's
29:07
Speaker 7: like optimistic.
29:08
Speaker 2: I like it, dude, Thank you for a realistic number.
29:10
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we need, right, People need to
29:13
Speaker 2: know what's actually going on in the woods. And that's
29:15
Speaker 2: a pretty good represent representation of it. So thank you, Adam.
29:18
Speaker 2: Really appreciate the information.
29:19
Speaker 4: Dude.
29:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say, you know, it's you know, if
29:23
Speaker 7: the folks down south like hold on to those vacation days,
29:27
Speaker 7: better days, You're coming.
29:29
Speaker 2: Sounds good, brother.
29:29
Speaker 4: Thanks.
29:31
Speaker 2: You know, the hype is still riding high, man. It
29:34
Speaker 2: is like absolutely still a rut. There's a lot of
29:36
Speaker 2: deer going down around the country, and I think I mean,
29:39
Speaker 2: we heard from a couple killers today. I think that
29:42
Speaker 2: people really undervalue the second half of the month. And
29:46
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I've had some success in
29:49
Speaker 2: the second half the month. Well you brought it up
29:50
Speaker 2: all ago off here on the twenty third of November.
29:53
Speaker 2: You can go watch this video that will link below.
29:56
Speaker 2: I kill one of my biggest public plan bucks ever
29:59
Speaker 2: with some pretty aggressive calling strategies, and it's something that
30:02
Speaker 2: I think that you can really use to your advantage,
30:04
Speaker 2: especially kind of like when Anthony referenced those books are
30:07
Speaker 2: scrambling at that time of year, trying to make sure
30:10
Speaker 2: they can still find a few dos. So that's a
30:13
Speaker 2: pretty good thing to check out if you want a
30:15
Speaker 2: little inspiration to see, you know something that worked for me.
30:18
Speaker 3: You may not remember, but on that same night I
30:21
Speaker 3: had like a forty five yard encounter with the ranch buck.
30:26
Speaker 2: Pretty good, pretty good day. So yeah, that's actually a
30:28
Speaker 2: really cool story too. We'll link to that one as well.
30:31
Speaker 2: Just a couple good RUT videos for you to watch. Also,
30:34
Speaker 2: if you are more of the reading type, if you
30:37
Speaker 2: can read, it would be good to go over to
30:39
Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt.
30:40
Speaker 4: I don't know if these Wired to Hunt listeners can read.
30:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you they can read this read they're
30:46
Speaker 2: fairly they're fairly small words. Dylan Tramp actually has a
30:49
Speaker 2: pretty intriguing article that I think is a pretty good
30:52
Speaker 2: thing this time of year. You know, the RUT is
30:55
Speaker 2: like the super Bowl for all of us, right. I
30:57
Speaker 2: think I've heard Mark even use that that allergy and
31:00
Speaker 2: so they're all looking forward to it. Uh, and we
31:03
Speaker 2: can get really complicated and try to, like I don't know,
31:07
Speaker 2: bend our brains really hard to figure out how to
31:10
Speaker 2: kill a deer and his article is actually five tips
31:12
Speaker 2: to simplify the rut and I think it's it's it's
31:14
Speaker 2: pretty good idea, man Like, it doesn't have to be
31:17
Speaker 2: over complicated. You can hunt, have fun, make some good choices,
31:20
Speaker 2: and kill a big buck. And uh, I think I'm
31:23
Speaker 2: gonna link to that in the show notes as well. Uh,
31:27
Speaker 2: there's some good tips there for just some things to
31:28
Speaker 2: maybe help you out and maybe things you haven't considered
31:31
Speaker 2: and help you maybe, uh, kind of take all that
31:34
Speaker 2: crazy amount of data that you're taking in when you're
31:36
Speaker 2: scouting and looking at cameras and simplify it. So very
31:39
Speaker 2: cool there, Tyler, Yes, sir, I want you to make
31:42
Speaker 2: a Bowl prediction.
31:43
Speaker 4: Hmmm, super Bowl prediction?
31:46
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I have a clue on that. I don't.
31:49
Speaker 4: I don't know. Chiefs for sure.
31:50
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's what has been chiefs and written
31:53
Speaker 3: into the script, hasn't it.
31:54
Speaker 5: Yeah?
31:55
Speaker 2: Mate, Hey, you know I do know this. Whired its
32:00
Speaker 2: own Mark Kenyon and a lot of the Wired to
32:02
Speaker 2: Hunt listenership is from Michigan. The Detroit lines might make
32:06
Speaker 2: a run. You think Dan Campbell he's the man, dude, damble. Yeah,
32:10
Speaker 2: he's he's pretty good. But guys, we have some busy
32:14
Speaker 2: times come up with family when Thanksgiving and all, make
32:16
Speaker 2: sure that you take your time to love your family,
32:18
Speaker 2: hang out with them, give thanks to God for all
32:21
Speaker 2: the stuff he blesses us for, and uh you know,
32:24
Speaker 2: get out there and enjoy the woods. November's a beautiful
32:27
Speaker 2: time to be out there. Days are crisp and skies
32:30
Speaker 2: are blue. Right now, what do you want me to predict?
32:33
Speaker 2: I want you to predict. Well, I thought you predicted.
32:36
Speaker 2: You took it somewhere, okay. I thought that you wanted
32:38
Speaker 2: to predict the super Bowl.
32:40
Speaker 4: I thought you said super Bowl prediction.
32:42
Speaker 2: What how many deer are you going to kill before the.
32:46
Speaker 4: End of November? Uh more? Dear zero?
32:51
Speaker 2: No more? Dear before the Well that's not good, Tyler.
32:55
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna kill two? Yep, where am I
32:58
Speaker 2: going to do that? I can't tell everyone. Well, you
33:02
Speaker 2: all just have to keep on listening. They will let
33:03
Speaker 2: you know this has been rough. Fresh keep it fresh,
33:10
Speaker 2: m m m