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The Kenny Report | 27 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me here on the Kenny Report. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce quits the Nationals from leader to outsider. I'll
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Speaker 2: get a reaction from Nationals front bencher and Webster. The
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Speaker 2: shooting of two National guardsmen in Washington, DC declared a
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Speaker 2: terror act by Donald Trump. I'll cross to Alexander Downer
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Speaker 2: in the States. Big power bills, big batteries and big problems.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep probing on our national energy, self harm, the
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Speaker 2: social media band for teenagers to be challenged in the
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Speaker 2: High Court. And Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson will join
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Speaker 2: me and talk about the Miserable Ghost, among other things.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition went backwards in Parliament today. They lost another
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Speaker 2: seat in the House of Reps because Barnaby Joyce, one
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Speaker 2: time leader of the Nationals, one time Deputy Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: has quit the National Party. He'll now sit in Parliament
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Speaker 2: as an independent MP.
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Speaker 3: So after thirty.
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Speaker 4: Years with the National Party, I'm resigning from the party
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Speaker 4: that really leads me with the heavy heart, and I
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Speaker 4: apologize for all to hurt that that will cause other people.
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Speaker 5: Barnaby's not saying what he'll do next.
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Speaker 2: He's too canny to give up another day of publicity,
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Speaker 2: isn't he Remember he dominated the news when he said
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Speaker 2: he'd stop attending the National's party room and not run
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Speaker 2: under their banner at the next election. Today he's had
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Speaker 2: another run for officially quitting the party. No doubt there'll
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Speaker 2: be another blaze of publicity sometime in the future when
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Speaker 2: he joins One Nation, and then he'll have another crack,
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Speaker 2: presumably when he announces he'll head up the One Nation
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Speaker 2: Senate ticket for New South Wales. We'll still be hearing
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Speaker 2: plenty from Barnaby Joyce, a politician who entertains like few others,
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Speaker 2: even to the point of making Johnny Depp's dogs household names.
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Speaker 4: Mister Depp has to either take his dogs back to
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Speaker 4: California or we're going to have to euthanize them. It's
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Speaker 4: time that Pistol and Boo bug it off back to
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Speaker 4: the United States.
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Speaker 2: But now it's Joyce who's sick and tide of being
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Speaker 2: left in the doghouse by the current Nationals leadership, and
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Speaker 2: he's buggering off to the cross bench. This is more
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Speaker 2: bad news for the coalition. Joyce is popular in the regions.
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Speaker 2: He has great recognition and cut through in public debate,
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Speaker 2: so his advocacy is going to be missed by the Nationals,
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Speaker 2: by the Coalition more broadly, and he's likely to drag
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Speaker 2: even more voters across to one nation. It's another example
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Speaker 2: of the fracturing of the Conservative vote in this country,
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Speaker 2: a factor that's left the Coalition in its weakest ever
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Speaker 2: parliamentary position. This sees the total number of Opposition members
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Speaker 2: in the Lower House dropped to a new low, from
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Speaker 2: forty three down to forty two, which doesn't mean a
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Speaker 2: hell of a lot, except, of course, that, according to
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Speaker 2: the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, forty two is the
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Speaker 2: answer to life, the universe and everything. So perhaps things
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Speaker 2: will improve for the Coalition from here on in. They
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Speaker 2: could hardly get worse. And it was the Coalition's turn
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Speaker 2: for a stunt in question time today when they broke
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Speaker 2: the rules to highlight Labour's broken promise to reduce power
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Speaker 2: bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars on the.
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Speaker 6: Final sitting day of the year.
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Speaker 7: Can the Prime Minister finally give a straight answer and
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Speaker 7: just admit that he misled the Australian people.
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Speaker 8: Order order.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, record electricity prices are hurting families and small businesses,
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Speaker 2: and they're putting huge pressure too on major industrial users,
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Speaker 2: many now being paid government subsidies taxpayer subsidies to help
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Speaker 2: them get through. And the Climate and Energy Minister Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen even admitted the blindingly obvious today.
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Speaker 9: We agree energy bills are too high. That's why we're
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Speaker 9: working so hard to get them over. That's the whole point.
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Speaker 2: The trouble is that Bowen's plan to lower prices is
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Speaker 2: exactly the same as what he's done to push them up.
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Speaker 2: He wants to keep increasing the share of renewable energy,
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Speaker 2: even though all that spending and the thousands of kilometers
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Speaker 2: of transmission lines to connect the renewables projects, and the
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Speaker 2: expensive efforts to store some power, well, that's all pushing
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Speaker 2: prices up and will continue to do so for.
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Speaker 5: At least a decade.
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Speaker 2: Yet Bowen insists on spooking a ridiculous policy that pretends
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Speaker 2: some electricity can be free.
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Speaker 9: We're introducing solar Sharer so that as many astramers as
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Speaker 9: possible get access to three hours free electricity.
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Speaker 3: In the middle of the day.
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Speaker 9: I mean, you've got to be pretty negative to oppose
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Speaker 9: free electricity in the middle of the day, but they
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Speaker 9: find a way. They're actually posed for Australians having the
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Speaker 9: right to pre electricity.
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Speaker 2: What an insult to taxpayers, an insult to their intelligence.
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Speaker 2: They're hit by labors, escalating power prices and this dim
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Speaker 2: wit minister is trying to tell them they can have
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Speaker 2: free power.
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Speaker 1: What a farce.
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Speaker 5: In fact, the.
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Speaker 2: Power price crisis is getting so serious now that even
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Speaker 2: the ABC ye even the National broadcaster which barracks for
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Speaker 2: the renewables pustion, refuses to question the government's climate and
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Speaker 2: energy policies. Well, even they have finally noticed that power
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Speaker 2: prices are a real problem.
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Speaker 10: High electricity prices and the the impact that those prices
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Speaker 10: are having on inflation is really the achilles heel of
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Speaker 10: this government. When can you promise relief for households and businesses?
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Speaker 10: Let me just come back to that bill question, because
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Speaker 10: if we're in a situation in the new year when
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Speaker 10: the prices of people's power bills are not coming down,
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Speaker 10: there's going to be a clamoring call for more power,
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Speaker 10: for more bill relief. Are you ruling it out? Are
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Speaker 10: we in a position now where the success really of
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Speaker 10: the Albanese government is dependent on you bringing down those
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Speaker 10: energy bills. Not to put too fine a point on it,
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Speaker 10: but that's the question you make the case often renewables
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Speaker 10: the cheapest form of energy in Australia, but the ever
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Speaker 10: increasing costs of building the transmission that needs to go
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Speaker 10: with those renewables mean that power bills are going to
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Speaker 10: remain elevated into the future. Is that just a fact
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Speaker 10: that you need to be more clear about with the
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Speaker 10: Australian public. Let me just ask the question to you again.
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Speaker 10: Renewables is the cheapest form of energy, but is it
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Speaker 10: right that the cost of the transmission is going to
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Speaker 10: mean that our power bills remain elevated into the full
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Speaker 10: Let me.
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Speaker 5: Try simple question transmission.
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Speaker 10: Is this giant ambitious renewables projects going to make our
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Speaker 10: bills smaller or not? There's a lot of stake here.
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Speaker 10: If you can't guarantee lower and electricity prices in coming years,
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Speaker 10: the narrative of a failed government will grow in the
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Speaker 10: year ahead. How are you going to combat that?
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Speaker 2: Well, it took them a long while on to the
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Speaker 2: far side of an election campaign, of course, but they're
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Speaker 2: finally asking about it. Sarah Ferguson and the whole ABC
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Speaker 2: for that matter, just can't bring themselves though to admit
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Speaker 2: that the renewables push is actually the key factor driving
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Speaker 2: up prices. But they can no longer ignore the fact
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Speaker 2: that prices are too high, nor can they deny that
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Speaker 2: it's a problem for the Albanesi government. But listen to
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Speaker 2: the Minister as he desperately defends his renewables plan.
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Speaker 9: The transmiss needs to be built anyway, regardless of the
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Speaker 9: type of energy that's been genero point one.
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Speaker 2: Did he really say that that the transmission lines need
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Speaker 2: to be built anyway, That the ten thousand kilometers or
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Speaker 2: more of transmission lines being built around the country to
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Speaker 2: link up renewables projects and connect them to the grid
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Speaker 2: would be needed even if there were no renewable projects.
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Speaker 2: That's nonsense. Of course, it's dross bunkum, a lie. The
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Speaker 2: ABC didn't pick it up and didn't pick him up
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Speaker 2: on it, surprise surprise. But Bowen and Labor are heading
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Speaker 2: for one hell of a reckoning as they persist with
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Speaker 2: this dud policy and this deceitful retoric while prices keep going.
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Speaker 5: Up and up.
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Speaker 2: And of course it was the final sitting day for
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Speaker 2: the year in camberd today. The Parliament won't be back
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Speaker 2: until February, and it's pretty hard to see how the
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Speaker 2: Labor government or the Parliament have done anything to improve
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Speaker 2: our nation over the course of the year. They've expanded
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Speaker 2: the reach of government, they've expanded the size of the
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Speaker 2: public service, and they've expanded the cost of government too. Sadly,
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Speaker 2: while inflation is picked up again, fueled in part by
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Speaker 2: government spending, many homeowners can forget about interest rate cuts
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Speaker 2: in the year ahead, and while the cost of living
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Speaker 2: crisis continues, and especially the housing crisis killing off the
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Speaker 2: dream of home ownership. While all this happens as a
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Speaker 2: result of big government and high immigration, all the government
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Speaker 2: could do today was boast about how it's throwing around
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Speaker 2: more of our money. They tax us too much, they
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Speaker 2: take our tax dollars or even borrow more money on
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Speaker 2: our behalf, and then they carry on as if their
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Speaker 2: heroes as they spray around our money to the people
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Speaker 2: they want to win.
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Speaker 11: Over one and a half million Australians had their student
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Speaker 11: debt cut by twenty percent, and next Thursday it's all
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Speaker 11: going to happen again.
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Speaker 3: Another one and.
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Speaker 11: A half million Australians will have their debt cut by
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Speaker 11: twenty percent as well.
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Speaker 1: This is the biggest cut to student debt in Australian history.
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Speaker 8: And to give you an idea just how big this
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Speaker 8: is for the average Aussie with a student debt, it
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Speaker 8: means five and a half grand.
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Speaker 11: Off their back, off their debt. It's all automatic, you
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Speaker 11: don't have to do a thing.
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Speaker 9: And I'm very pleased to report, missus Speaker that as
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Speaker 9: of today, one hundred and thirty nine thousand, six hundred
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Speaker 9: and twenty nine Australians have installed a cheaper home battery.
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Speaker 12: We've got a million households around the country benefiting from
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Speaker 12: our fifty percent almost fifty percent increase in colinwealth front assistance,
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Speaker 12: and we've now seen fifty nine construction places taken up
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Speaker 12: as part of fee free tape.
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Speaker 13: We've rolled out cost of livery relief for every single
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Speaker 13: household in energy bill relief, cheaper childcare for one point
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Speaker 13: one million families, cheaper medicines that have saved Australians more than.
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Speaker 14: One and a half billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: Free tape for seven hundred and twenty.
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Speaker 13: Five thousand enrollments, the largest increasing reneceissance in thirty years
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Speaker 13: student debt relief for more than three million Australians.
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Speaker 15: We have an Alberesi labor government cutting twenty percent of
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Speaker 15: student debt, because we have an Alberzi labor government having
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Speaker 15: cheaper medicines, because we have an Alberesi labor government protecting
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Speaker 15: penalty rates for Australian workers, because we have an Alberanesi
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Speaker 15: labor government, five percent deposits for first home buyers.
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Speaker 5: Who pays for all this?
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Speaker 4: You do?
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Speaker 5: What are the consequences?
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Speaker 2: Well, inflation for one, debt and death sit two and
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Speaker 2: a country where productivity is flatlining as government expands like
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Speaker 2: the blob and swamps the profit driven sector. We are
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Speaker 2: not on a promising trajectory, but labour is in denial.
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Speaker 2: And just before we get to our first guest, I
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Speaker 2: want to bring you up to date with that shocking
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Speaker 2: fire in Hong Kong. The tragedy is still unfolding, with
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Speaker 2: the death toll expected to rise.
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Speaker 5: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 16: Three men have been arrested over a large fire in
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Speaker 16: Hong Kong which has left at least forty four people
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Speaker 16: dead and nearly three hundred others unaccounted for. Flames lick
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Speaker 16: high into the night sky over Hong Kong as seven
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Speaker 16: towering apartment blocks burn, trapped inside residents who couldn't escape.
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Speaker 16: It's thought the blaze started on bamboo scaffolding being used
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Speaker 16: in major renovations of the vast, densely packed complex. The
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Speaker 16: fire began in the middle of the afternoon. One witness
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Speaker 16: spoke of hearing a loud noise at two forty five
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Speaker 16: pm and seeing the blaze erupt.
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Speaker 2: Just horrific, isn't it. Will bring you any updates as
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Speaker 2: they come through. Let's catch up now with the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Minister for Regional Development and Webster joining us live from Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and you must be very disappointed
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Speaker 2: as a National that a former leader and one as
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Speaker 2: prominent as Barnaby Joyce has quit the party.
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Speaker 17: Well, I am actually Chris. It is really disappointing. The
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Speaker 17: Nationals have stood together shoulder to shoulder literally as we
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Speaker 17: have worked through the process of developing policy to walk
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Speaker 17: away from net to zero. That was something that Barnaby
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Speaker 17: has done a lot of talking about, but he wasn't
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Speaker 17: part of that discussion. He wasn't part of the party
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Speaker 17: room coming to the position that we have now looking
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Speaker 17: at cheaper, better and fairer energy policy moving forward and
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Speaker 17: energy prices, I might say, given what the Labor government
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Speaker 17: are doing. So it was Barnaby as Deputy leader at
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Speaker 17: the time who brought in net zero, and very persuasive
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Speaker 17: he was. And now well he's not going to be
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Speaker 17: part of the journey. He will be part of maybe
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Speaker 17: we don't know, a protest party. He's not spoken to
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Speaker 17: us to.
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Speaker 2: The extent that we know exactly what motivates him here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's not a policy argument. As you say,
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Speaker 2: He's argued every position on net zero, and in the
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Speaker 2: end the party is now in the position that he advocates,
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Speaker 2: so he's got the policy outcome he wants. Surely, though
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Speaker 2: he talks about being isolated up on the back bench,
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Speaker 2: not being used by the party, isolated by the current leadership.
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Speaker 2: Presumably so we can only this is about his political ambition.
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Speaker 5: He thinks that the Nationals have no further use for him.
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Speaker 17: Well, you know, I can't speak for Barnaby obviously, but
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Speaker 17: the reality is positions in ministry are limited. It is
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Speaker 17: a deeply honoring role to be given, to be asked
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Speaker 17: to stand even as a shadow minister as I am
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Speaker 17: with three portfolios. The fact is that he has been
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Speaker 17: deputy leader, sorry, Deputy prime Minister, and likewise Michael McCormack
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Speaker 17: for that matter. It's got to be very difficult when
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Speaker 17: you've led the party and you've done an amazing job
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Speaker 17: to then be moved aside to allow others to have
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Speaker 17: a go. That is the nature of our democracy as well.
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Speaker 17: And I think you know Michael has taken a mature approach.
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Speaker 17: I know it was tough, and I am really grateful
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Speaker 17: myself to be able to have the opportunity is that
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Speaker 17: I do now to work on sound policy to move forward.
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Speaker 17: It's just not available for everyone.
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like David Little Proud, the current leader,
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Speaker 2: did much to keep Barnaby on board. Barnaby says that
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Speaker 2: since he announced you would just step out of the
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Speaker 2: National's party room, he's only had a ninety second phone
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Speaker 2: call with David Little Proud.
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Speaker 5: Do you think your own leader was.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps happy to let Barnaby go rather than to try
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Speaker 2: and talk him into stay.
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Speaker 5: Oh look, I.
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Speaker 17: Think I can't conjecture about phone calls and what has
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Speaker 17: happened what hasn't happened. I have seen David Little Proud's
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Speaker 17: media release this afternoon, which is stating that he is
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Speaker 17: really disappointed that Barnaby had asked for space and to
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Speaker 17: be respected in having space to consider his position when
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Speaker 17: he was not put back into the shadow cabinet. David,
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Speaker 17: from what he wrote in his media release, respected Barnaby.
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Speaker 17: Now Barnaby has chosen another pathway and I think those
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Speaker 17: who have spoken with Barnaby and tried to encourage him
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Speaker 17: to stay, Matt Canavan and Colin Boyce and Michael McCormack,
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Speaker 17: they haven't. And let's face it, Matt Canavan was very
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Speaker 17: close to Barnaby, having been his course in the past,
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Speaker 17: sorry chief of staff in the past. The reality is
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Speaker 17: that Barnaby is making a choice. I'm really disappointed. I
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Speaker 17: think the party is disappointed, and.
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Speaker 5: We sure you're joint to do. Sure you're disappointed, but
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Speaker 5: this is going to do damage, right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're already bleeding a lot of boats to
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Speaker 2: one nation. We've seen that in the polls of recent months,
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Speaker 2: and with Barnaby Joyce going to one nation as well
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Speaker 2: as we expect him to.
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Speaker 5: Do, you could expect that trend to be amplified.
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Speaker 17: Well, I certainly hope not the One Nation Party is
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Speaker 17: a party of protest. We are a party of government.
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Speaker 17: That is what we are aiming for. We have developed
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Speaker 17: strong policy and we will continue to develop strong policy,
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Speaker 17: whether it is regarding energy, whether it's to regarding health,
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Speaker 17: even whether it's regarding regional development, to the regional Australia
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Speaker 17: Future Fund divestiture powers. There are things that we have
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Speaker 17: fought strongly for, including lifting the moratorium on nuclear the
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Speaker 17: voice we lead in those things. These are things that
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Speaker 17: we are very proud of without being cocky, and we
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Speaker 17: will continue to fight together. I think we have an
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Speaker 17: excellent Nationals team and we are listening to our regional
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Speaker 17: communities and we will absolutely keep fighting for our regional communities.
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Speaker 5: That is our job.
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Speaker 17: And we're working together in a sound way, in a
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Speaker 17: respectful way, and in a robust way, because that's what
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Speaker 17: our people would expect.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Barnaby should resign his seat given he
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Speaker 2: was elected as a NAT and now he's resigned from
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Speaker 2: the party.
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Speaker 17: Well, I found it interesting that nobody's asking him today
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Speaker 17: whether he's going to do that and to set up
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Speaker 17: a by election. I haven't heard any rumors. I don't
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Speaker 17: know anything. I'm certainly not on the inside of any
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Speaker 17: of those conversations. Perhaps you know Barnaby's best one to
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Speaker 17: ask about that, But I think you know New England
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Speaker 17: they voted for and people who supported Barnaby voted and
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Speaker 17: supported him to become a Nationals member again, to return
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Speaker 17: as a Nationals member. So what goes on from here? Chris?
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Speaker 17: It'll be interesting.
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Speaker 5: We all see.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and Webster there who is the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Regional Development and the Member for Mali
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Speaker 2: there in Western Victoria. The coalitions still making it all
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Speaker 2: about themselves at the moment. Aren't they going to get
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Speaker 2: back onto focusing on the government, the economy, energy prices.
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Speaker 2: Now it's less than two weeks until the Easy Labor
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Speaker 2: government's new social media band for children in under sixteen
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Speaker 2: comes into force. December ten is d day for Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat,
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Speaker 2: TikTok and some other apps as well. But one New
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Speaker 2: South Wales MP has put a spanner in the works, well,
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Speaker 2: he hopes, The libertarian John Ruddick has filed a High
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Speaker 2: Court challenge.
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Speaker 5: Against the new laws. He joins me. Now, John, good
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Speaker 5: to talk to you again.
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Speaker 2: Firstly, why do you oppose the social media ban?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 18: Well, there's two principal reasons, Chris. The first is that
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Speaker 18: even if mister Alberanezi has the best of intentioncyre, which
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Speaker 18: is to protect children online, everybody agrees with that. But
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Speaker 18: what's going to happen is the kids are very tech savvy.
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Speaker 18: They are going to get around this so called band.
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Speaker 18: It's been going around every playground in Australia for the
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Speaker 18: last three months about how to get around the band.
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Speaker 3: So they're going to get around the band.
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Speaker 18: But the parents are then going to think, well, I
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Speaker 18: don't need to worry about it anymore. Social media used
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Speaker 18: to be bad for my kids. I used to need
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Speaker 18: to monitor them, but now I don't because mister Albanize
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Speaker 18: is going to do it. So they're going to go
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Speaker 18: to the under ground Internet, which is only going to
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Speaker 18: be only going to be a lot worse without parental supervision.
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Speaker 2: So you're the second, your second point, your second reason
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Speaker 2: for opposing it, Well, I.
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Speaker 18: Believe it's a slippery slope to further censorship of the Internet. Now,
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Speaker 18: the Internet is the greatest machine that mankind has ever built. Okay,
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Speaker 18: it's got lots of negatives about it, but it's got
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Speaker 18: a hell of a lot more positives, okay, And it's
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Speaker 18: about sharing information and governments always want to they want
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Speaker 18: to creep mission, creep on centry. So they get away
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Speaker 18: with banning under sixteenth. They'll then think of other things
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Speaker 18: to ban in the years ahead, and so we have
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Speaker 18: to say no to it.
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Speaker 5: Now, all right, interesting arguments.
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Speaker 2: Just to go to your first point, you're effectively opposing
21:38
Speaker 2: it because you don't think it'll work. You sort of
21:40
Speaker 2: you've come to that conclusion before you see whether it
21:43
Speaker 2: will work.
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Speaker 18: Well, I know how tech savvy kids are, and yes,
21:49
Speaker 18: they will get around at Christ one way or another.
21:51
Speaker 18: Now I'm sure that mister Albaneze will try to play
21:53
Speaker 18: whack them hole and stop stop it.
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Speaker 3: But the internet is a very powerful thing. Okay, the
21:58
Speaker 3: kids are going to get around it. Look, even if
22:00
Speaker 3: that works, let's imagine from a moment that works.
22:01
Speaker 18: I mean, you're going to have a sixteen year old
22:03
Speaker 18: they turned sixteen today, that had no background, no parental supervision,
22:07
Speaker 18: with social media.
22:08
Speaker 3: Then they get dropped into the deep end. Now it's
22:11
Speaker 3: going to be.
22:12
Speaker 18: It would be better if for the few years before
22:13
Speaker 18: that the kid, the parents could have said, Look, social
22:16
Speaker 18: media can be very positive. There can be some dangers,
22:18
Speaker 18: so be careful and that by the time the kids
22:21
Speaker 18: get to sixteen, they're going to be able to spot
22:22
Speaker 18: a scam. Yeah, not somebody who might be at day,
22:25
Speaker 18: but now they won't. They're just going to be crowned
22:26
Speaker 18: in at the deep end.
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Speaker 2: I think so many of these government interventions right across
22:30
Speaker 2: the spectrum, looking to the role of parents in the
22:34
Speaker 2: takeover the personal responsibility and parental responsibility, we seem to
22:39
Speaker 2: order to outsource all this to the government as if
22:41
Speaker 2: it was a brave New World or nineteen eighty four.
22:43
Speaker 2: So your argument is pertinent and there let's go to
22:46
Speaker 2: the High Court challenge. Then tell us about the grounds
22:50
Speaker 2: for the challenge and whether it's expensive, whether you've got
22:53
Speaker 2: the money to deliver this legal outcome, and how long
22:58
Speaker 2: it will take.
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Speaker 18: Well, we are hoping that there will be an injunction
23:04
Speaker 18: next week. We're certainly going to be having a hearing,
23:06
Speaker 18: a preliminary hearing, and that if we get the injunction,
23:08
Speaker 18: then that means that the law will not come into
23:10
Speaker 18: effect on the tenth of December. Then we expect the court,
23:14
Speaker 18: the full venture High Court, to make a decision probably
23:19
Speaker 18: March April next year, but that is in the lapse
23:21
Speaker 18: of the justices.
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Speaker 2: So you're more for an injunction on the grounds that
23:24
Speaker 2: this is denying sixteen year olds or those younger than sixteen,
23:30
Speaker 2: the right to free expression.
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Speaker 18: Well, the High Court of Australia found in the nineteen
23:35
Speaker 18: eighties that our Constitution does have an implied right to
23:38
Speaker 18: the freedom of political communication. I would prefer a US
23:42
Speaker 18: style First Amendment that is a lot more stronger than that,
23:45
Speaker 18: and this has been upheld for the last four decades. Now,
23:49
Speaker 18: a sixteen year old, I accept that most sixteen year
23:52
Speaker 18: olds are not overly interested in politics, but a decent
23:55
Speaker 18: minority are. You probably work, Chris, when you were sixteen.
23:58
Speaker 5: Sixteen years I was.
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Speaker 2: My kids are now, and so's plenty of they're mate,
24:02
Speaker 2: So there's no doubt that young people are interested in politics.
24:06
Speaker 18: I can imagine myself at six now. I would have
24:09
Speaker 18: loved YouTube. I love history. I would have like it's
24:13
Speaker 18: an endless resource. Now the a sixteen year old Chris
24:18
Speaker 18: is going to be voting in a lot more state
24:20
Speaker 18: and federal elections than you and I are going to
24:22
Speaker 18: for the rest of our lives, simply because our lives
24:24
Speaker 18: are going to be shorter than a sixteen year old
24:26
Speaker 18: and they're going to be If a sixteen year old
24:27
Speaker 18: is probably going to be voting within two or three
24:29
Speaker 18: years time, so.
24:31
Speaker 3: They need to have access to political.
24:33
Speaker 18: Information and not We do not want the government saying well,
24:36
Speaker 18: you're not allowed to access that information and you must
24:38
Speaker 18: access this information.
24:39
Speaker 19: At the school.
24:40
Speaker 3: So we want a diversity of opinion.
24:42
Speaker 18: But I do really want to stress Chris, being a
24:44
Speaker 18: parent and in this time, monitoring your kids's online social
24:50
Speaker 18: media presence and activity is a paramount responsibility. And the
24:56
Speaker 18: parents if they if they take their foot off the break,
25:00
Speaker 18: I don't need to worry about it because the bureaucrat's
25:01
Speaker 18: looking after it.
25:02
Speaker 3: To me, that's a recipe for disaster. Worst things will happen.
25:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, good John, thanks for joining us. Good explanation. I
25:09
Speaker 5: appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: John Uddick there, the Libertarian MLC, the New South Wales
25:13
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25:15
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25:17
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25:20
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Speaker 2: Now, as we've been discussing, the inflation breakout in the
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Speaker 2: Australia has been driven in part by that thirty seven
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Speaker 2: to do that by doubling down on their renewables. Push
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Speaker 9: Keep going to ensure that the cheapest, most reliable, lowest
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Speaker 26: What is extremely clear if you listen to any credible expert,
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Speaker 14: We're announcing two billion dollars for the Clean Energy Finance
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Speaker 14: Corporation to continue to drive downward pressure on electricity prices.
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Speaker 14: This will help to accelerate long term renewable projects right
30:51
Speaker 14: across our nation.
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Speaker 2: Let's get some more analysis on this from Aden Morrison.
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Speaker 2: He's the Energy program director at the Center for Independent Studies.
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Speaker 2: Good to you again, Maiden. They keep saying this that
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Speaker 2: if they just keep going with renewables and transmission, massive
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Speaker 2: spend on the renewables generation and the transmission to link
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Speaker 2: it up, that our prices will go down. Now they
31:14
Speaker 2: are backed up but on some of this by a EMO,
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Speaker 2: their OREWN experts. I suppose tell us in simple terms
31:20
Speaker 2: why this will or won't work.
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Speaker 27: I don't even think they're backed up by EMO. Actually, Chris,
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Speaker 27: they made it clear that they are only model government policy.
31:27
Speaker 27: They don't test whether it's good policy or model what
31:29
Speaker 27: I'll do to prices, So EMO is actually out of
31:32
Speaker 27: the picture.
31:32
Speaker 19: They don't.
31:33
Speaker 27: But I'll tell you what really annoys me today. I
31:35
Speaker 27: spend some time in the Warick Nobiel Green Energy Park hearing,
31:39
Speaker 27: the formal hearing, where some actual experts were called by
31:42
Speaker 27: win park proponents to explain why they need this, and
31:45
Speaker 27: that is the one claim the experts will not go near.
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Speaker 19: They will absolutely.
31:49
Speaker 27: Run a mile and I was pretty much told to
31:52
Speaker 27: stop them repeating what they'd said. They would not claim
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Speaker 27: this will push prices down. Even people like Richard Bolt
31:58
Speaker 27: today current chair of hydro Tasmania, something of a graveyard,
32:02
Speaker 27: quite optimistic in my view about the prospects of things
32:04
Speaker 27: like hydrogen happening and net zero taking place around the world,
32:08
Speaker 27: still would not suggest that this will actually pull prices down.
32:12
Speaker 27: So I'm just amazed that we have the politicians saying
32:15
Speaker 27: that all the experts agree, but the experts, when they're
32:18
Speaker 27: actually asked in a place where they can be cross examined,
32:20
Speaker 27: that is the one claim they will not go near
32:22
Speaker 27: and absolutely do not make.
32:24
Speaker 2: And you not surprised by that, of course, because it's
32:27
Speaker 2: a claim that you could not credibly make. For instance,
32:29
Speaker 2: they're talking about ten thousand kilometers of transmission lines. This
32:34
Speaker 2: is hundreds of billions of dollars worth of transmission lines.
32:38
Speaker 2: All that has a guaranteed rate of return. They have
32:41
Speaker 2: to charge us enough to make their guaranteed profit on that.
32:45
Speaker 2: That has to drive up prices. And Chris Bowen today
32:48
Speaker 2: was pretending that that have to build that transmission anyway,
32:52
Speaker 2: Why why would you build transmission into the middle of
32:55
Speaker 2: nowhere except to link up wind farms and solar factories.
32:59
Speaker 27: That's right, Similarly, completely offscript and contradicting explicitly what is
33:03
Speaker 27: written into those documents that he thinks there is defense
33:05
Speaker 27: like the integrated system plan, because in reality they're quite specific.
33:09
Speaker 27: This is to enable all that renewable energy to be
33:11
Speaker 27: built hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away. It's sometimes thousands
33:14
Speaker 27: of kilometers away from the main loads. And without that
33:18
Speaker 27: extra transmission, you can't bring in this dispersed af few
33:21
Speaker 27: sources of energy into the major loads. But we've got
33:23
Speaker 27: coal sitting there with transmission built already quite close to
33:27
Speaker 27: the loads.
33:27
Speaker 19: It could be utilized.
33:28
Speaker 5: But then on top of the transmission.
33:29
Speaker 2: For the renewables, you've got to build three times the
33:33
Speaker 2: generating capacity you require spread over vast areas to hope
33:38
Speaker 2: that some of it is operating the wind is blowing
33:41
Speaker 2: somewhere at the right time. Then you have to have
33:43
Speaker 2: storage as well, which is incredibly expensive and you can
33:47
Speaker 2: never get enough of it. And then on top of
33:49
Speaker 2: that you have to have some sort of firming generation.
33:51
Speaker 2: It's a wonder why it costs more because you've got
33:53
Speaker 2: to have all.
33:54
Speaker 5: That anyway, it's just extraordinary.
33:57
Speaker 2: I do want to get your analysis though, an explanation
34:00
Speaker 2: what's going on with this super battery, the war Retar
34:03
Speaker 2: super battery on the central coast of New South Walesia.
34:06
Speaker 5: This was a billion dollar battery, massive battery.
34:09
Speaker 2: There's been a problem with it recently, some sort of transformer,
34:13
Speaker 2: so it's not operating properly. But it wasn't the idea
34:16
Speaker 2: of this battery to replace the Aurarring coal fired power station.
34:20
Speaker 5: But that's still going. Isn't what's going on here?
34:23
Speaker 27: That's exactly right. If you do a careful look at
34:25
Speaker 27: what the Warata superbattery was meant to achieve for us.
34:28
Speaker 27: It was meant to be a stop gap just to
34:30
Speaker 27: kind of an interim solution for five and a half years.
34:33
Speaker 27: And it's a nearly a billion dollars, not quite that,
34:36
Speaker 27: but almost that is being spent just in five and
34:38
Speaker 27: a half years for a stop gap because Matt Kean
34:41
Speaker 27: was rushing for a arring to close in twenty twenty five.
34:44
Speaker 3: And guess what.
34:45
Speaker 27: The Men's government came in did an expert review of
34:47
Speaker 27: the energy system and they concluded it was the easiest,
34:49
Speaker 27: most obvious thing to keep a raing going for at
34:52
Speaker 27: least another couple of years. But that cost for that battery.
34:55
Speaker 27: It was really only there to basically let us pretend
34:58
Speaker 27: we could run our lines a whole lot to try
35:00
Speaker 27: to bring in more energy from the south and the north,
35:02
Speaker 27: mainly from the south. It was just pretty much basically
35:05
Speaker 27: give us a kind of an extra excuse to try.
35:08
Speaker 27: But it would have only covered about less than a
35:11
Speaker 27: quarter of a rahring. And so we're paying a billion
35:13
Speaker 27: dollars for this solution that we now know we don't
35:15
Speaker 27: need and was never going to be a satisfying solution
35:18
Speaker 27: even for those five years in the first place.
35:19
Speaker 5: So it's not working anyway.
35:21
Speaker 2: Apparently, Well there's some is it a major mishap there
35:25
Speaker 2: or a major malfunction.
35:26
Speaker 27: It is a major malfunction, catastrophic failure. They've pretty much
35:29
Speaker 27: blown up one of the three transformers and the other
35:31
Speaker 27: one of the others they've taken off line because they're
35:33
Speaker 27: not sure how it will fare. And that was because
35:35
Speaker 27: they were putting it through its paces to do this incredible,
35:38
Speaker 27: very innovative thing, which is to ramp up in a
35:40
Speaker 27: small fraction of a second to replace a huge amount
35:43
Speaker 27: of power that would normally be coming from.
35:45
Speaker 19: Outside the grid.
35:46
Speaker 27: That function was meant to stop things blowing up when
35:48
Speaker 27: we're running our system extra hot, like literally running the
35:51
Speaker 27: lines at one hundred and twenty degrees, and now, in
35:53
Speaker 27: practicing to get it ready, they've blown up one of
35:55
Speaker 27: the transformers.
35:56
Speaker 19: So it is.
35:57
Speaker 27: It is an absolute mess, and now we're paying about
36:00
Speaker 27: one hundred million dollars a year for a service that
36:02
Speaker 27: we don't need right now.
36:04
Speaker 5: It is such a mess. Shouldn't the federal government, at
36:06
Speaker 5: the very.
36:06
Speaker 2: Least, if they think their national electricity plans work, bring
36:11
Speaker 2: in an independent overseas expert just to look at it
36:14
Speaker 2: and tell us where we're heading.
36:15
Speaker 5: Because they were everything else is caught up at a
36:17
Speaker 5: political debate.
36:18
Speaker 27: Look, they could bring an internal expert. I think that
36:20
Speaker 27: they were, if they're honest to themselves, even internal. Look,
36:23
Speaker 27: the opportunity is absolutely right now for the Men's government,
36:26
Speaker 27: for example, to do a deep reset of the roadmap
36:29
Speaker 27: that Matt Ken put in place, because they've admitted the
36:32
Speaker 27: twenty five closure of a raring doesn't work. We're currently
36:35
Speaker 27: paying about one hundred million dollars a year too much
36:37
Speaker 27: for that interim solution. They should just s of say,
36:39
Speaker 27: let's do this at a steady pace and consider when
36:41
Speaker 27: a raing could close. Give us another five years. The
36:44
Speaker 27: market operators requested five year notice of closure. Let's say
36:47
Speaker 27: when need at least another five years and come up
36:49
Speaker 27: with a plan that doesn't make these huge blunders. So
36:51
Speaker 27: I think that some kind of review, some sort of
36:54
Speaker 27: reset is absolutely required.
36:55
Speaker 2: Aiden thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Aid Morrison on
36:59
Speaker 2: now on owing national energy self harm.
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Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Alexander Downer in Texas in just
40:54
Speaker 2: a moment. The first Donald Trump has declared the shooting
40:57
Speaker 2: of two National guardsmen in Washington d we see a
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Speaker 2: terrorist attack, revealing the suspect is an Afghan national who
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Speaker 2: entered the country under the Biden administration in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Trump also announced to crack down on all illegal migrants.
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Speaker 29: We must take all necessary measures to ensure the removal
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Speaker 29: of any alien from any country who does not belong
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Speaker 29: here or add benefit to our country. If they can't
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Speaker 29: love our country, we don't want them.
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Speaker 5: Trump's also sending another five hundred troops onto the streets
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Speaker 5: in DC, and as I put to Alexander Downer, the
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Speaker 5: US president is using the attack to scale up his
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Speaker 5: response on illegal immigration and public safety in major cities.
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Speaker 6: Yes, well, I suppose in the circumstances that's understandable, and
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Speaker 6: the American public not all of them, of course, but
41:53
Speaker 6: a sizable percentage of the population will agree with him.
41:57
Speaker 6: I mean the problem that the Americans have, the British have,
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Speaker 6: and to some extent we have, is that people migrate
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Speaker 6: to our countries, but they don't migrate with a view
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Speaker 6: to embracing our values and our system including our legal systems.
42:18
Speaker 6: They want to try to bring the horrors of the
42:21
Speaker 6: countries they've left with them. So I think people feel
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Speaker 6: that very strongly in America, there's no doubt about that,
42:30
Speaker 6: and in the UK you get the same sentiment. Perhaps
42:34
Speaker 6: less so in Australia, but this will have triggered a
42:38
Speaker 6: huge public reaction, There's no doubt about it.
42:42
Speaker 5: Some migrants, of course, you're referring to.
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Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of migrants come in and do accept
42:47
Speaker 2: and embrace the national values. And the great challenge for
42:52
Speaker 2: any government, but now confronting the trub administration, is working
42:57
Speaker 2: out which of the immigrants, whether they're legal or illegal,
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Speaker 2: are embracing the values or America harm.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right. The great challenge for the immigration officers
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Speaker 6: who assess the applications is to make the right judgments,
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Speaker 6: not just to do the easy thing and just accept
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Speaker 6: people on the basis of their paper qualifications, but to
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Speaker 6: make sure that they're convinced and satisfied that those people
43:32
Speaker 6: want to migrate and embrace the values of the country
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Speaker 6: they're migrating to. Otherwise, why are they migrating there if
43:41
Speaker 6: they just want to bring the values, particularly of a
43:44
Speaker 6: troubled land like Afghanistan, to the United States or to
43:49
Speaker 6: Australia or the UK. So I don't think the vetting
43:54
Speaker 6: system has worked well enough. It clearly hasn't worked well enough,
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Speaker 6: and there needs to be a focus not on stopping
44:02
Speaker 6: migration programs that would be a very foolish thing to do,
44:07
Speaker 6: but to make sure migrants are vetted much more effectively
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Speaker 6: than they have been up until now.
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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned the UK, and of course we're immigration
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Speaker 2: issues and the issue of illegal immigration are very high
44:20
Speaker 2: on the list of political priorities. But I want to
44:23
Speaker 2: talk about their fiscal situation there, with the budget being
44:27
Speaker 2: handed down and tax increases all round for Brits.
44:31
Speaker 5: So here's the Chancellor.
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Speaker 30: I recognize that we are asking people to contribute more
44:37
Speaker 30: by freezing those allowances. They were already frozen by the
44:41
Speaker 30: previous government from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty eight
44:45
Speaker 30: and we're freezing them for a further three years. And
44:48
Speaker 30: I do recognize that I was asking ordinary people to
44:52
Speaker 30: pay a little bit more, asking.
44:55
Speaker 5: Your British taxpayers to pay a little more.
44:57
Speaker 2: Now, the reason I want to get your assessment on
44:59
Speaker 2: what's happening there, Alexander is whether it's a portent of
45:03
Speaker 2: things to come in Australia, where of course we have
45:05
Speaker 2: massive deficits, massive debt, inflation still running out of control.
45:10
Speaker 2: Should we worry that we're heaving in the same direction.
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Speaker 6: The Australian government has the same if you like ideology
45:19
Speaker 6: as the British labor government. There's no doubt about that
45:23
Speaker 6: there is an obsession with expanding entuttlements, payments to people,
45:30
Speaker 6: expanding eligibility without taking into consideration the cost of doing
45:36
Speaker 6: these things. I mean, it's all very well if the
45:39
Speaker 6: economy is growing robustly, if business is investing heavily and
45:44
Speaker 6: making substantial profits from their investments.
45:48
Speaker 3: Driving economic growth.
45:50
Speaker 6: It's all very well for governments then to tax them
45:53
Speaker 6: and spend money. But the exact reverse is happening here
45:58
Speaker 6: in the UK as it is in Australia. Growth has
46:02
Speaker 6: almost ground completely to a holt the government has continued
46:08
Speaker 6: to spend more and more money, and so they either
46:12
Speaker 6: borrow the money or they increase taxes. At some point
46:17
Speaker 6: the markets will jack up and make it very difficult
46:21
Speaker 6: for them to borrow money, very expensive to borrow the money,
46:25
Speaker 6: so they have to increase taxes. And the trouble with
46:28
Speaker 6: that is this is a doom loop. As they increase
46:32
Speaker 6: the taxes, they slow down the economy still more. They
46:38
Speaker 6: slow down the economy, they slow down the revenue that
46:41
Speaker 6: they could otherwise get from high rates of economic growth,
46:45
Speaker 6: and yet they continue their spending. This is a formula
46:49
Speaker 6: that was tried in the sixties and the seventies in
46:52
Speaker 6: the UK. It failed then and not surprisingly it's failing now.
47:00
Speaker 6: Us who don't learn the lessons in history, as Winston
47:03
Speaker 6: Churchill said, doomed to repeat the mistakes of history. And
47:09
Speaker 6: that is exactly what you're seeing in the UK. And
47:12
Speaker 6: that's happening in Australia slowly, but the same thing is
47:16
Speaker 6: happening in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Alexander Oh for a smaller government agenda.
47:22
Speaker 5: We will see. We're at all unfolds. Thanks for joining
47:24
Speaker 5: us again. It's a pleasure, Chris. Feel sorry for those
47:29
Speaker 5: poms a look out. Come on our way.
47:31
Speaker 2: Next after the break, Tim Blair and Mart Nichoson join
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Speaker 2: me to wrap up the week. We'll talk about the
47:36
Speaker 2: reappearance of the Miserable Ghost.
47:38
Speaker 5: And plenty more.
47:44
Speaker 2: Let us convene National Cabinet with the Daily Telegraphs. Tim
47:47
Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios. Good to
47:51
Speaker 2: talk to you, gentlemen. I want to go to you first, Mark,
47:54
Speaker 2: because you must be super excited as the as the animator,
48:00
Speaker 2: the mastermind behind the Please explain cartoons, One Nation cartoons.
48:04
Speaker 5: Now you've got Barnaby Joyce coming your way.
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Speaker 19: He's going to leave.
48:08
Speaker 5: He's left the Nats. There's no doubt he's joining One Nation.
48:11
Speaker 5: He's going to be part of your team.
48:13
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be too big for one Nation, they'll have
48:16
Speaker 2: to change the name to two nations.
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Speaker 31: He'll do anything to get a voice in this thing.
48:21
Speaker 31: Everyone's desperate to try and get a voice in it.
48:23
Speaker 31: But he's gone and defected the party. Come on board
48:25
Speaker 31: just so that he can get included into this movie.
48:27
Speaker 31: But I tell you what man, I actually because I
48:29
Speaker 31: was there in the office during the week, I had
48:31
Speaker 31: a cheeky taste of that mulberry pie that Pauline baked.
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Speaker 19: It's tasty.
48:36
Speaker 31: It'd make me defect from any political party just for
48:38
Speaker 31: that mulbry pie.
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Speaker 5: I know what he's in store for. That's what it's
48:41
Speaker 5: all about.
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Speaker 31: That mulburry pie was delivered.
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Speaker 2: Well, you draw him in the cartoons as the beat root.
48:46
Speaker 2: But how's this? How do you reckon it's going to go?
48:50
Speaker 2: Tim A couple of big egos cut through voices in
48:55
Speaker 2: regional Australia, in particular Barnaby and Pauline. They're going to
48:58
Speaker 2: be some sort of a political force, are they.
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Speaker 32: You'd think it's either going to work massively well or
49:05
Speaker 32: it'll be a catastrophe. I mean, at this point i'd
49:09
Speaker 32: say positive it'd be an upswing thing because we're looking
49:12
Speaker 32: at the numbers that are going to One Nation. But
49:15
Speaker 32: you know how lucky is Mark. He's already got the
49:17
Speaker 32: sequel Link did and the first show is there. This
49:21
Speaker 32: is like bigger than The Godfather in the seventies. Terrific,
49:23
Speaker 32: good fortunate. It's going to be massive.
49:27
Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to some of what Barnaby had
49:29
Speaker 2: to say today about all this.
49:31
Speaker 4: There are more One Nation members now in Tamworth and
49:34
Speaker 4: there are National Party members.
49:36
Speaker 6: It sounds like you're considering one nation, considering that's the truth,
49:41
Speaker 6: You're considering what's the feeling about one nation.
49:44
Speaker 4: I think it's just getting yourself. I think that it'd
49:47
Speaker 4: be really hard for the Coalition to win the next election.
49:50
Speaker 4: I hope they do, but I think it's going to
49:51
Speaker 4: be really difficult from where they are, and therefore in
49:55
Speaker 4: the house, especially if you're sort of on the audio,
49:57
Speaker 4: you're not relevant.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this is going to be some show.
50:02
Speaker 2: He is a walking headline. He's a walking tap Lloyd
50:05
Speaker 2: newspaper mark. When you look back at the stories, whether
50:08
Speaker 2: it's Pistol and Boo being kicked out of the country,
50:12
Speaker 2: he was a film one night drunk on a footpath
50:16
Speaker 2: in Canberra.
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Speaker 5: There was his love child.
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Speaker 2: Of course, he's now married to the mother of the baby.
50:24
Speaker 2: All this is unfolded in just headline after headline after headline.
50:29
Speaker 31: Yeah, I can tell you actually from having some interaction
50:34
Speaker 31: with Barnaby. He's got the same thing that Pauline does,
50:36
Speaker 31: which is that he just reeks authenticity.
50:39
Speaker 5: He is just all out there.
50:40
Speaker 31: He is just the same and I honestly don't believe
50:42
Speaker 31: from the beginning to end Barnaby hasn't changed. I think
50:45
Speaker 31: if he does come to One Nation, this will be
50:47
Speaker 31: the fourth political party he's been a part of. I
50:50
Speaker 31: don't think Barnaby's changed. I think the other parties have.
50:52
Speaker 31: I think he's always been a staunch conservative and I
50:55
Speaker 31: think that's what's just happening here is if he does
50:57
Speaker 31: go to One Nation, it's just because they're the only
50:59
Speaker 31: ones that are being guinely conservative.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right now. The left hate him,
51:04
Speaker 2: of course, Tim. They hate him because he's conservative. But
51:07
Speaker 2: of course there have been so many controversies, so many escapades,
51:12
Speaker 2: and I think what Barnaby Joyce supporters love about him
51:17
Speaker 2: Mark just mentioned authenticity.
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Speaker 5: It's honesty, isn't it, Tim.
51:21
Speaker 2: I mean he just when he makes mistakes or he's
51:24
Speaker 2: just up front about it. And when there's a drama
51:27
Speaker 2: in his personal life it's there, whattz and all, he
51:30
Speaker 2: doesn't shy away from it.
51:31
Speaker 5: He just tries to deal with it.
51:34
Speaker 32: That the left hate Barnaby Joyce in large part because
51:36
Speaker 32: he's an average Aussie. He comes across as I mean,
51:40
Speaker 32: you saw just in that clip, that's a very Australian
51:42
Speaker 32: way of like visibly considering his options, talking to the
51:46
Speaker 32: people who ask him the questions. He's even got the
51:48
Speaker 32: facial expressions of an average Aussie. There's no art points out,
51:53
Speaker 32: it's all exactly up front Barnaby. The other thing is,
51:57
Speaker 32: you know, Barnaby gets criticized and mocked and littled for
52:00
Speaker 32: you know, drinking, and there's the odd pregnancy here or there.
52:05
Speaker 32: What about bubble Bubble's ready drinking and woman I think
52:11
Speaker 32: was just legendary. It was just all well, you know,
52:13
Speaker 32: that's another dimension of this incredibly complex intellectual figure. With Barnaby,
52:17
Speaker 32: it's just a yobo. So the left could go to
52:19
Speaker 32: hell as.
52:20
Speaker 2: Usual as usual if the left didn't have double standards.
52:23
Speaker 2: That have no standards at all. Now, speaking of the wonderful,
52:27
Speaker 2: please explain cartoons. Of course, you announced the movie version,
52:31
Speaker 2: the super progressive movie launched by Mark and Pauline Hanson
52:36
Speaker 2: earlier this week.
52:37
Speaker 5: Here's the trailer again.
52:40
Speaker 31: Once upon a time in so called Australia, our culture
52:45
Speaker 31: war tour the nation apart and somehow you're left East
52:53
Speaker 31: one and I should know I'm the Prime Minister Holbo.
52:59
Speaker 8: This it finally.
53:03
Speaker 31: Good morning fellow white straight mouth.
53:11
Speaker 3: Hey, big boy.
53:14
Speaker 31: Justice, the oldest full tired.
53:16
Speaker 19: This is Nane again.
53:20
Speaker 2: None again, now, Tim, I don't know if you've seen
53:23
Speaker 2: the full trailer with politically incorrect jokes and all, but
53:27
Speaker 2: does a surprise you that at the last minute they
53:29
Speaker 2: told them you can't show this in Parliament House.
53:33
Speaker 5: Not at all.
53:33
Speaker 32: And that's a great bit of advertising because if it's
53:37
Speaker 32: if it can't be viewed even by our politicians, Oh,
53:40
Speaker 32: it's got to be scandalous and terrible. Show it in primistes.
53:43
Speaker 32: I reckon it's going to get amount of buz and
53:46
Speaker 32: it just looks charming. I'm looking very much forward to
53:49
Speaker 32: seeing the whole thing.
53:49
Speaker 3: It's terrific work.
53:51
Speaker 2: Now I wonder whether the miserable Ghost actually gets a
53:55
Speaker 2: guernsey in the movie. Does Turnbull make an appearance in
53:59
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form Mark.
54:02
Speaker 31: Made He might have to make the reprisal of a
54:04
Speaker 31: man from Snowy Hydra, which is my favorite role for
54:07
Speaker 31: Malcolm Turnbull, the.
54:10
Speaker 5: Man from Snowy Hydro. Well, he did turn up.
54:13
Speaker 2: The Man from Snowy Hydro did turn up at Parliament
54:15
Speaker 2: today to unveil a portrait of himself. I can think
54:19
Speaker 2: we've got some pictures here of it being unveiled.
54:22
Speaker 5: Not about the likeness there, but he said a few
54:27
Speaker 5: words to the media afterwards.
54:30
Speaker 19: As usual, he.
54:31
Speaker 2: Had a crack at conservatives in his own party, and
54:34
Speaker 2: he had a crack at the sky amwsment have a
54:36
Speaker 2: look at this.
54:37
Speaker 5: So I think this is quite pertinent here his comments
54:41
Speaker 5: to the media.
54:42
Speaker 4: There's a major problem on what used to be caught
54:46
Speaker 4: the right of politics.
54:47
Speaker 8: I mean, I think they've lost their way.
54:50
Speaker 5: His writers in intim they lost their way.
54:53
Speaker 2: The precise moment they lost their way is when Malcolm
54:57
Speaker 2: Turnbull tore down Prime Minister Tony.
55:00
Speaker 32: It absolutely it's a demand does have a great insight
55:05
Speaker 32: into his own behavior. I don't think you know. I
55:08
Speaker 32: love the painting. The paintings are remarkable technically, it looks
55:10
Speaker 32: like a remarkable piece of work. But for a ghost,
55:14
Speaker 32: he's oddly non transparent.
55:15
Speaker 19: Isn't he.
55:17
Speaker 32: A little bit of a fade through it there?
55:20
Speaker 5: For a ghost, he's oddly non transparent.
55:22
Speaker 2: I want to show you someone else, a television reporter
55:25
Speaker 2: in Western Australia. I think this was a television reporter
55:27
Speaker 2: and a live cross who was oddly quite transparent about
55:32
Speaker 2: what was going through his mind.
55:34
Speaker 20: A new look Whacker, complete with a water slide, was
55:37
Speaker 20: set to be open for the public to enjoy it
55:39
Speaker 20: by November. We can reveal that's now being blown out
55:42
Speaker 20: until after the school holidays.
55:51
Speaker 2: Nah Mark lost his way and dropped the F bomb
55:54
Speaker 2: live on TV.
55:55
Speaker 5: There but for the grace of God.
55:58
Speaker 31: That's how I feel every single week.
56:00
Speaker 5: By the way, every time the perils of life, telling
56:04
Speaker 5: I don't.
56:04
Speaker 31: Blame him at all, that's authenticity, is like Barnaby Joyce.
56:07
Speaker 3: That bloke well be.
56:10
Speaker 2: And that's all I got to say to the rest
56:12
Speaker 2: of you, Thanks for joining us. Mark and Tim will
56:15
Speaker 2: catch up with you next week. That's all the time
56:17
Speaker 2: we got for you tonight. I'll see you next week.
56:19
Speaker 2: Price filling in for Petter Kredline