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  Speaker 1: It's thirty eight.
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  Speaker 2: All bills can win in here, Wake puts it down.
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  Speaker 3: The kick is on the way, and d dock and
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  Speaker 3: the bill good one?
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  Speaker 2: How the hell that one.
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  Speaker 3: Home?
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  Speaker 1: How one? They were a party one not party way? Incredible?
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  Speaker 3: Why not?
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  Speaker 2: Combat by my bell? Jacksonville's perfect record on the line
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  Speaker 2: right here.
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  Speaker 3: Quick.
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  Speaker 1: Kicking, look excited.
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  Speaker 3: Touchdown Kyle Williams touchdound amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william who's
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  Speaker 3: has to full back and he scores a touchdown. It's
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  Speaker 3: wealthier to face tackle.
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  Speaker 1: What's good? Folks, Family, friends, loved ones, enemies, friend of Meies, Wizards,
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  Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore ant that's
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  Speaker 1: Pro two underscores a n T. In this postgame edition
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  Speaker 1: of Disguised Coverage, we will be breaking down the Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Bills Week two preseason victory against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And
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  Speaker 1: I say we because I'm not alone on this post
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  Speaker 1: game edition. If you are watching on YouTube, you've already
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  Speaker 1: figured that out, or if you read the episode description
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  Speaker 1: ahead of time, you've already figured that out. But just
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  Speaker 1: in case you're on the audio only and you didn't
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  Speaker 1: read the episode description, you did not know, I am
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  Speaker 1: joined by mister good evening himself, Greg Tom set Greg.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we we chopped it up offline because we
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  Speaker 1: were going to buy Joe andrees and jerseys and then
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  Speaker 1: got a little distracted in that. But we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: that in a minute. How you doing, How you feel
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  Speaker 1: about this victory? Good times?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Yeah. I apologize. We were almost late because I
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  Speaker 2: was checking under my bed because Joe and Reason is everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Was that's a good one. That's another good one.
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  Speaker 2: Well done, well done is unbelievable. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: a lot tonight, and I'll go out and live and
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  Speaker 2: say an inappropriate amount of it is going to be
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  Speaker 2: about Joe and reeson but we'll talk about other things
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  Speaker 2: as well. But it's it's deserved, it's it's wild. I
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  Speaker 2: I joked with you pre show, I joked with fans online.
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  Speaker 2: I was certainly aware of him as a player. I
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  Speaker 2: even acknowledged to people. I was like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: really cool. I grew up in a time where Josh
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  Speaker 2: Roth was my Joe Andreeson. Josh Roth was a fullback
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  Speaker 2: who played at Pine Valley, which is a school right
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  Speaker 2: by me. He was big, monster fullback. He's actually now
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  Speaker 2: like a championship UFC wrestler and owns a Brazilian jiu
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  Speaker 2: jitsu gym and runs marathons and weird stuff. He's a
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  Speaker 2: crazy athlete.
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  Speaker 1: But I was waiting for like one more thing, and
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  Speaker 1: back can be killed a.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, yeah, and you know, with hands tied behind his back.
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  Speaker 2: But in high school he was like a two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and forty pounds jackhammer of a fullback. And this was
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  Speaker 2: like early two thousands where fullbacks were still like a thing, yea,
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  Speaker 2: where they still no just was yeah, yeah, yeah, when
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  Speaker 2: they still like mattered, mattered, you know, when they look
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  Speaker 2: like lorenzo'neil.
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  Speaker 1: Still then Sam Dash.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so he's dis gorgeous and he was that
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  Speaker 2: guy for me where it was like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: really cool. And he was in camp each year and
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  Speaker 2: he made the practice squad one year and even you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of had a cup of coffee and it was cool.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, really really fun to have a guy
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  Speaker 2: from the area who played at UB who went there.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Steve Mathis brought up John de Giorgio earlier,
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  Speaker 2: we had you know, there's all kinds of names you
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  Speaker 2: can throw out there, and obviously recently j Mark s
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  Speaker 2: Ingram and Cam Lewis and we've had guys around. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend I thought that's all this was,
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  Speaker 2: and that it was like, oh, this is cool. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's a Lancaster kid. You know, he won games at
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  Speaker 2: high Mark Stadium in high school, you know, played college
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  Speaker 2: ball and then transferred to UB and played there and
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  Speaker 2: played pretty well. And that's really fun. It's nice to
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  Speaker 2: them that they gave him a camp invite, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: good for him, Like that's a really cool experience. He'll
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  Speaker 2: get to tell people that he went to train he
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  Speaker 2: can for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I wasn't being rude or dismissive. I just
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  Speaker 2: that's all it was, Like I didn't think there was
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  Speaker 2: anything else here, and I didn't like people were asking
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  Speaker 2: me during the game once it started, like oh, like
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  Speaker 2: why is he making to play every other snap? And
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  Speaker 2: people all of a sudden asking me like, oh, could
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  Speaker 2: he play will linebacker? I'm like, I have no idea,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna lie to you and pretend that
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  Speaker 2: I know his position versatility and like what skills are
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  Speaker 2: going to translate? Like I I knew he's a linebacker,
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  Speaker 2: that I have no idea. So this is really really fun.
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  Speaker 2: We were joking offline. The people don't know, like this
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  Speaker 2: literally is the Tommy DeVito story. Like he's living at
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  Speaker 2: home with his parents in Lancaster, like you were joking,
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  Speaker 2: like he's gonna go home and his mom's got some
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  Speaker 2: stuff warmed up for him in in the microwave, like
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  Speaker 2: like he's literally driving to each day from his parents'
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  Speaker 2: house in Lancaster, Like this is such an amazing story.
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  Speaker 2: His mom needs to market chicken cutlets immediately, like one
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  Speaker 2: Pi Pizza needs to call the Andreesen household tonight, like
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  Speaker 2: right now, like you need to text them during my
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  Speaker 2: next rambling monologue and tell them, hey, you need to
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  Speaker 2: get hold of the Andres family and get out in
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  Speaker 2: front of this right now. Nut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that one was the one that blew like
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  Speaker 1: my mind because similar to how the kind of you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about it, like I they brought him on as
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  Speaker 1: UDFA and the buffalo thing was cool, but just udfas
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  Speaker 1: don't really make squads a lot like they're usually used
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  Speaker 1: to kind of just fill out the roster and give
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  Speaker 1: you some kind of camp fodder and just have bodies
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  Speaker 1: for the preseason and so on and so forth. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just hard for those dou it's hard
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  Speaker 1: for late day three guys to make it, let alone
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  Speaker 1: UDFA guys which you're gonna lump into that conversation potentially
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  Speaker 1: can be further down the total pole. And I saw
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  Speaker 1: that signing and I was like, okay, cool, like good friend,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's and I knew he's from UB, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know, like like you said, like I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any of that other stuff. I didn't know he went
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  Speaker 1: to Lancaster. I didn't know he was like a buffalo
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  Speaker 1: buffalo guy, which also puts into perspective like the Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Joe nickname. Thing that Alan talked about in the broadcast
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  Speaker 1: puts that into I just thought it was all because
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  Speaker 1: he went to UB and now he plays with the Bill.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, he's from Buffalo, Buffalo like going to
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  Speaker 1: Lancaster and yeah, just you know, and again you and
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  Speaker 1: I were talking offline. He had a couple of nice
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  Speaker 1: plays last week against Chicago, nothing that kind of made
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  Speaker 1: you go like, you know what, they got something here.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like enough that when people good, there's
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  Speaker 2: there have been people who have been excited about the
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  Speaker 2: idea for a while enough that I was like, you
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  Speaker 2: want to know what, maybe he could push somebody for
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  Speaker 2: a practice squad spot. I won't be shocked if he
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  Speaker 2: pushed somebody. But like that, that was it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I like his comment from RJ who said Sam
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  Speaker 1: Gash would be an all pro guard today. That's very good. Good,
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  Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, Lorenzo Neiwo would be like a star
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  Speaker 1: guard or like left tackle. That's very good. I like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you just like you saw some flashes and I
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  Speaker 1: thought some what he did tonight, he showed last week
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  Speaker 1: like he's got a quick trigger and he shoots well.
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  Speaker 1: But it just goes to show you like if you
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  Speaker 1: give certain guys opportunities, and you know, the injury to
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  Speaker 1: Milano when kind of the rest of the linebacking corps
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  Speaker 1: being banged up in different phases, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of pushed him up to the depth chart
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  Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to start next to Dorian Williams,
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  Speaker 1: and he legitimately made the most of it, to the
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  Speaker 1: point of you know, we I think people I made
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  Speaker 1: a joke and I forgot who tweeted it, but it
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, Andrewson's been pulled at this
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  Speaker 1: point in the game. And I was like, of course,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't play or all pro you know, linebacker
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  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, But you know, it's nice to
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  Speaker 1: see those dudes had make something of the opportunity they get,
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  Speaker 1: and he did make the most of his opportunity tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I loved your you know, you were we were talking offline,
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  Speaker 1: you being out of town. You get the NFL network
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  Speaker 1: broadcast or whatever the home team is, and you were like,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Batch didn't know Eddie Bills players' names, but he
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  Speaker 1: knew Joe Andreeson's by like at that point, Hardy.
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  Speaker 2: And Jo Dries. Those are the two names that Frank
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  Speaker 2: Gore Jr. Though the three names that he was real
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  Speaker 2: solid with. But every play is like and the Bill's
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  Speaker 2: safety mix. He didn't know any players. So one quick
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  Speaker 2: point before we actually do talk about some of the
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  Speaker 2: other players on the football team here rightfully, there are
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of people, and there were some
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  Speaker 2: guys in the chat being like, hey, let's get off
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  Speaker 2: of these try hard guys, like it's it's not a thing,
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  Speaker 2: and we will settle this down a lot, like anybody
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  Speaker 2: who's joking about him, like starting and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Settled out, so settled out. So the reason I think
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  Speaker 2: we need to take this a little more seriously than
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  Speaker 2: some of the other fun try hard stories we've had
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  Speaker 2: in the past, because there's been a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: There have been a lot of fun try hard stories.
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  Speaker 2: Is he started today. That's a thing. So they could
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  Speaker 2: have started, Diane Jones, they could have started, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and they could have started, uh you know, and Andresen
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  Speaker 2: have been here the same amount of time. They're both rookies,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's not a It's not like Ulifotio didn't start
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  Speaker 2: because he's a rookie. They could have started Dean Jones,
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  Speaker 2: who was still playing in the fourth quarter and was
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  Speaker 2: a guy that Joe Marino and I talked about Thursday
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  Speaker 2: night about like, hey, maybe that's the break glass in
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  Speaker 2: case of emergency option, in case Dorian Williams isn't ready.
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  Speaker 2: They started him today. So that means this is more
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  Speaker 2: than just the couple of flashes that you and I
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  Speaker 2: saw against Chicago or in the Blue and Red scrimmage
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  Speaker 2: of like, oh, hey, this kid's around the ball, like
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  Speaker 2: he he knows where to go when when he has
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  Speaker 2: the read, which is something we've talked about with Dorian
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  Speaker 2: Williams plenty. When he makes the read and they were
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  Speaker 2: diagnosis is right, he flies his gun and he's coming
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  Speaker 2: quick and ready. Yeah, and you know we'll get into
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  Speaker 2: the rest of his stuff. But there's no play better
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  Speaker 2: or more indicative of that than the fourth and two
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  Speaker 2: with Justin Fields, Like if you watch I don't watch
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  Speaker 2: any of the rest of the noise or movement, just
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  Speaker 2: watch him and watch how immediately he diagnoses, Fields is
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  Speaker 2: keeping and goes.
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  Speaker 1: And once he diagnoses, shot out of a cannon. Once
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  Speaker 1: he diagnoses, and then you get a really nice box
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  Speaker 1: in from JaMarcus Ingram and it allows Andresen to close
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  Speaker 1: down and like, I know, Fields isn't running full speed
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  Speaker 1: at that point, but it's hard to close down Justin
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  Speaker 1: Fields like he.
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  Speaker 2: This is not making a play on Ben Denucci. This
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  Speaker 2: is not making a play on a guy who's going
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  Speaker 2: to be off a roster like Justin Fields was debated
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  Speaker 2: as a franchise quarterback last year. Talk real quick here
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  Speaker 2: about something that is one other reason. So the two
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  Speaker 2: things we need to give people besides the awesome story
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  Speaker 2: in him going home to his mom and warm it
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  Speaker 2: up some chicken cutlets. Yeah, is one he started that's real.
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  Speaker 2: That's not like a guy making cool plays in the
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  Speaker 2: third and four fourth quarter of a of a preseason game.
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  Speaker 2: He started over guys that we have as roster projections
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  Speaker 2: or roster locks. That is the thing. The second is
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  Speaker 2: when these guys who get a fun story, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether it can be real or not. It goes to like, well,
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  Speaker 2: are they playing way over their head or do they
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  Speaker 2: have NFL caliber athleticism? Talk a little bit about what
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  Speaker 2: this means.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we I think a lot of times people throw
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  Speaker 1: up those raskors actually hold on. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: lose this because you'll like this. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: lose it. So the Calgary Mafia talking about Charlie Batch
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  Speaker 1: said he called JaMarcus Ingram DeMarcus Ingram and it was
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  Speaker 1: Christian Benford. I just loved that summary of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: what Charlie Batch was he said, Jim Marcus Ingram wrong?
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  Speaker 1: And yes, that was just so good. I didn't and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to lose it in the chat, so
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to grab it real quick. That was very good.
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  Speaker 1: So if yeah, if you just needed to know how
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  Speaker 1: it was going for Charlie Patts, that.
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  Speaker 2: Was my night. Everyone who got to watch Bill's broadcast
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  Speaker 2: me watching the NFL Network home team, which is what
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  Speaker 2: they do in my Charlie Batch. That was a perfect
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  Speaker 2: synopsis in my night.
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  Speaker 1: That was great. That's why I went I started that
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  Speaker 1: for you. I was like, I gotta pull this up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So these raft scores get pulled up a ton, especially
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  Speaker 1: during the draft cycle, and I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it is often misleading for people because I think it
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  Speaker 1: makes people think, especially for players they don't know, Like
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  Speaker 1: they see a rast score and they're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: like it's out of ten. This guy has a nine
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  Speaker 1: point three five must be an amazing athlete. He's probably
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  Speaker 1: a really good player, but there's so much more that
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  Speaker 1: goes into it, and especially like knowing where they're green
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  Speaker 1: and where they're good and if you look at andresen
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  Speaker 1: and match it that like how he played tonight, Like
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  Speaker 1: you see the forty yard dash, which is good like
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  Speaker 1: four point six four and the twenty isn't terrible, but
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  Speaker 1: his ten yard split is tremendous at one point five
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  Speaker 1: to nine, and that helps when you're I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe diagnosing and then quick trigger shooting gaps like he
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  Speaker 1: was all night. You see the vertical, you.
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  Speaker 2: Have a gun to fire, right, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And you see the vertical and you see the
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  Speaker 1: broad and that's just not like, oh cool, dude can jump. No,
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  Speaker 1: those are also measures of like explosion and burst and
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  Speaker 1: juice to your game. Even the shuttle and what he
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  Speaker 1: can do. I think the three cone is accurate too,
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  Speaker 1: where it's not great, but it's not bad. He's not
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  Speaker 1: the best change of direction dude, but he can get
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  Speaker 1: it going when he fires and he shoots, and he
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  Speaker 1: was doing that all night. There were a couple of
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  Speaker 1: plays too where he shot gaps and missed the tackle,
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  Speaker 1: but he shot it so quickly that he gummed up
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  Speaker 1: the works and someone else finished like him, and Dorian
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of those like he shot and missed
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  Speaker 1: Dorian cleaned it up. Dorrian shot Dorry and missed Andreas
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  Speaker 1: and cleaned it up. But you saw legitimate like not
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  Speaker 1: only just play recognition and diagnosis, but the speed and
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  Speaker 1: the clicking and closing ability, and it matches and pairs
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  Speaker 1: well when you look at his rass scorecard like you
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  Speaker 1: pulled up here.
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  Speaker 2: So two things real quick here before we move on. One,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: the Steelers ran the ball a ton tonight. So Adam's question,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: how is andreyesen and coverage that's going to be a
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: big piece here. We did see him diagnosed some screens,
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  Speaker 2: We saw him diagnose some read option. We need to
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: go back and see how we did because one, we're
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: going to talk about it on the bill side. When
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  Speaker 2: you don't have great quarterback play, it's tough to diagnose receivers.
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  Speaker 2: It also means it's tough to diagnose coverage because we
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  Speaker 2: don't know who got exposed. Because there were some plays
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  Speaker 2: where fields and Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: I refused to speak on coverage fully until I've seen
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  Speaker 1: the All twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so you know, I didn't see him chasing
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  Speaker 2: from behind on guys who were roasting him down the field.
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  Speaker 2: But we also weren't seeing some surgical passing offense here
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  Speaker 2: that needs to be left, uh left for analysis. And
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  Speaker 2: I will say, you talked about it. I saw. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like mistackle is the right term, because I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to get scored or broken broken tackle, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: where he wasn't able to finish, or somewhere he was
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  Speaker 2: diving and swiping at the ankle. You know, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean he was like in position to make the play,
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  Speaker 2: but he was, you know, diving and swiping at the ankle.
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  Speaker 2: And I did see one read option that he bit
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  Speaker 2: badly and took the fake give went with the running
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  Speaker 2: back while Fields was running the other way. So I
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  Speaker 2: did see him take the cheese once on a misdiagnosis.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't want to say like it was all
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  Speaker 2: perfect or anything like that, but when you're in on
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  Speaker 2: twelve tackles, seven solos, a couple really nice, like perfectly
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  Speaker 2: diagnosed plays, there is no other definition other than he
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  Speaker 2: had an excellent game.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's very fair. And yeah, we'll kind of
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  Speaker 1: start with that linebacker position since it is the talk
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: of the town, or and Reason is the talk of
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the town, and kind of tying into the talk of
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the week with Mamalano having the torn bicep and being
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: out till roughly December. Shout out to cover one for
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: breaking that story and certain people acknowledging it and others
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: not acknowledging it, which is always very fun to see.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: But in all seriousness with the end recent play like
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and I wonder too if Specter doesn't have a calf injury,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: like the Specter start alongside Dory tonight, which is I
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: kind of think probably what happens, and again all all
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: seriousness into it, like if Specter's healthy, he probably starts.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day and Reason got
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: an opportunity and he played well, like he played well
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: consistently against the Steelers starters, and he made some plays.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: The tab will show more, but I think Within.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Probably wished he went that day too.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Oh man, you just don't want to get Wally Pip.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: That's so nice call back, well done, well done, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I think this spot too it for him to have
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this game in the wake of the Milano injury just
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: like could not have been like more like well timed
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: for him, and also being a Buffalo guy. Like Bill's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: fans are upset and worried about Milano and worried about
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: who's going to start for him and so on and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: so forth, and then Andresen just comes in and has
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like a really good game. Oh, Greg, we gotta stop.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So we got a super chat. Thank you very much
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: for being here. I don't know how to say that name,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to try, but I was Cole
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: cole So passed Cole So passed Loco local, Yeah, maybe close.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you being here. Thank you very much for the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: super chat and the question. It's kind of serious question, Greg,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: would a wild card first round exit be considered a
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: success for this team.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's a disaster. I don't know
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: that it's immediately heads half to roll, but it's not
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a success. No. I think first round exit. You got
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to remember, first round exit would be our worst season
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: in five seasons. We've been better than a first round
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: exit for four straight seasons. We've won a playoff game
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: every year for the past four years. Division championship for
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the every year for the past past four years, the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: first round exit is not a success. Again, I think
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: there's a spectrum of failure depending on how you'd want
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: to define that, but it certainly would not be a success.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair, like especially compared to what
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they've been, which has been a perennial like final four
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: team in the AFC East. And I think a lot
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of it too. Though if we ask this question in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like week nine, when they're if they're four and five
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: or something, it might be like, you know what, this
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: is a win because the exactly everything didn't work out
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and everybody got hurt. So I think it's a little
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: relative to the season. But I'm with you. I think,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: especially with what's been, what the expectation is for this team,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: this franchise, even though this year is a bit of
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a revamp, I think the expectation is kind of like
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Divisional round minimum and then kind of going forward and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: see seeing where they can be. But you know, Greg,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: we've talked about Andresen a bit. We can continue to
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: talk about him if you'd like, but you know, it
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: was Andreasen the only real standout for you any Dorrian
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Williams action for you anything with this linebacking cores of note, again,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: especially considering this team is going to have to try
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and find a way to mitigate the loss of a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: legitimate All Pro in Matt Mulano for the second straight season.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So I'll say I did note two other nice plays
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: from Dorian Williams, but all the things that we just
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: gave as kind of caveats of why to maybe not
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: get too over excited about andresen we're also present for
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Dorian Williams in the town. Pittsburgh ran the ball a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of gain against him too. Pittsburgh didn't have an
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: amazing passing game against him either, So why didn't we
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: see him flash every other play? Why didn't we see him?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: You know, he's like the firing your gun going downhill,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: diagnosing run plays. That's supposed to be where he's good.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: That's supposed to be like what he's got in the bag.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So I will say there probably should have been a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: little more from him, but I don't think it was
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a bad game. I saw two nice plays. I noted
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the two of them, and again, until we see more
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and can go back and see what else was there,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it's really hard to say. They played in recent quite
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a bit. He played deep into the third quarter, so
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: we saw some Diane Jones, some Edifu on Yopocio, you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: getting in there later. They continued to be solid, but
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: there wasn't a ton else in so at linebacker besides Andresen,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: there wasn't a ton that stood out for me. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it's hard until we go back and look at some
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of the different pieces that are in there. But you know, again,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: with as much running they were doing and how they
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: were coming at him, the fact that similar playing time,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Dorian Williams had one tackle and Joe Andresen had twelve
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like this, it's really hard to just dismiss that like
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that like that. You know, again, I'm not going to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: try to say that Dorian Newams had a bad game,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but like you had not, you had agree he had
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a great opportunity here for us to be raving about
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: him tonight. People were probably coming into the game hoping
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to be raving about him tonight. I don't think he
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: had a bad game, but I don't have a ton
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to rape about.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: That's fair, and you know, especially when you're look at
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it from a sample size, standpoint and a snapshare standpoint,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like if if anyone was going to ball out tonight,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it was really gonna be Andresen or Williams considering the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: snap share and the opportunities that they got. And yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: just Andresen again consistently flashing. I thought Williams had some
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: as well, like you mentioned. I thought he had a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: couple of nice you know reps where he shot the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: gap or made a nice play, nice physical tackle. He
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: had one where it looked like I think it was Warren,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he was gonna bury Warren, but Warren just got out
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of it and got forward for a couple more yards.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So I thought Williams still had like a fine game
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: for himself. It just kind of got outshine from a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: statistical perspective and from a flash standpoint with Andresen. The
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: one that really not to continue harping on the one
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: for Andreas and that really got me was I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it was like a little screen pass or a run
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to Jalen Warren, I can't remember, and he just played
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: over the top. Lineman tried to get him, he stayed free,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and he just brought Jalen Warren down in space, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: got over him. Warren tried to stiff arm him, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: he basically just engulfed him and brought him down. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: if people don't know, like Jalen Warren is like one
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of the best kept secrets in football. He's a really
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: good pass protecting running back, but he's just good with
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the ball in his hands as a runner, as a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: pass catcher, He's got real juice, he's got some power.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Because he's short and stocky. That's not an easy thing
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to do to like bring him down in space, let
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: alone to play off the block and take the proper angle.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So just seeing him play the way he did tonight
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: again was just extremely encouraging, especially in the wake of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you know what happened with Milano. Not saying like because
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: he's going to replace Milano and everything's gonna be fine,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: but it was just nice to see. It felt like
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a warm blanket getting some good linebacker play tonight, Like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in the wake of losing arguably the best player on
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Bill's defense, with this position again still in a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: kind of state of flux, do you think it's anyone's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: position to lose at this point? Like when Milana went out,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: In your mind, are you sitting there going you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: what it's Dorian's job to lose, like Dorian's the guy,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: or is it more like you're hoping Dorian would step
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: up or someone else? Like where do you stand right
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: now on what you think will happen or what you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: would like to see happen In terms of kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: mitigating that Milana loss.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So I described it as Plan A is Dorian Williams
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is a one for one replacement, not at Milano's level,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: but at Milano's role with the one snapshare two linebacker
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: bas nickel defense. That's got to be Plan A. Your
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Plan A is day two pick. That's a significant investment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Third round guy, second year Again, it's unfair. You did it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Had a really nice tweet explaining why it's unfair to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: hold the same second year burst on the scene development
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that we saw from Trell Bernard and just expect that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: from Dorian Williams because they're different players. You explain the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: different systems they came from. Is really well said. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I had lesser expectations, but the Plan A was still
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Dorian Williams steps in place one hundred percent of the snaps,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and is that guy. Plan B is maybe there's even
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a Plan B slash C because Plan B is the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Troill Dotson platoon where you have a first second down guy,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you go three safeties on third down or obvious passing downs,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and you bring in a box safety lestuers Jordan Poyer
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: playing diame linebacker. It could be Taylor Rap and you
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: bring in Cold Bishop in the back end, or Mike
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Edward's in the back end. We'll see. Maybe it's the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: more Hamlet playing timeline backer. We'll see. So Plan B
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: is a platoon. But I say B slash C because
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I explained it. They're like, well, if Dorian Williams isn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the answer as one hundred percent snap guy, it probably
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: means he might not be the answer at the front
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: end of the platoon either, So it might actually be.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And in that moment on Thursday night, Joe Marino and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I were talking about it was maybe it's Dean Jones
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and that Dian Jones is the first and second down guy,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and then he comes out for the third safety. Look
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: as it goes forward, So some of those are you know.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Eulofotio is a guy who was drafted in the fifth round,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: more so because of health than for skill set and athleticism.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: He's a good player, he just can't stay in the field,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and he's already injured again and can't finally just came
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: back the last couple of days. And then you look
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: at some of the other pieces for Baal inspector can't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: stay on the field, so he probably would have had
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: a chance here too. And I talked about Nicholas Morrow
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and Dion Jones are both guys that I wanted really
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: badly at one point, but they're not that guy anymore.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And that's about the same as the free agents available,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: like a Zach Cunningham or other pieces. So I listed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: off like nine names and no point did I say
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the name Joe Andreeson either had no point did either
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of us say that, So we were grat I say
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that not in to say that, oh, Joe and Reesen
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: is now the starter next to Treul Bernard, because he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: certainly not. He's not going to be. I don't think
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that's going to be the case. I crazy things have happened,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: but I don't think that's going to be the case. However,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I was grasping at straws. I was trying to find
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: an answer and didn't and had an awful lot of
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: options of what could be that answer, So you know
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it should be Dorian Willims because he was the most
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: significant investment. He hasn't shown us anything in particular that
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: tells us like, no, it's definitely this guy. He's definitely
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the guy. So I think we have to be opened
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: all options right now. They started at him tonight and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: he played great in a start. Can you think of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: things that Sean McDermott would like more than the story?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: A wrestler from Lancaster coming in out of nowhere? You know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: ragster Rich is like literally a rudy story and he
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: gets to bang that drum right that that like he
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: do's just running through his veins right now.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He also has a good like linebacker aesthetic, like the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: way his pads fit and like the gloves and the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: wrist like he just looks like, I don't know, I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: feel like he know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: If I love forty four as a linebacker number, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: he makes it work, he.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Does make it work. I don't love it, but he
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: does make it work. If I make it work, he does,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm cool with it, being like I was fine with
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Metickevitch Rock and it is like a special teamer like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a cool special team number forty four.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: But like as a starter, I'm like, numbers in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: forty are super hit or miss unless you're forty two
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and you're Ronnie Lott. And I won't say anything bad
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: about Ronnie lot because.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: He'll he'll find you.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he will. He cut off his own part of
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: his own own finger. Imagine what he'll do to you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was nice. Rand reason my my hope,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and it hasn't really been able to come to fruitioning
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: because he hasn't been.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Able to Like that said, to look for Joe Anderson.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: To check look out, he's there. He's everywhere shooting shooting gaps.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeap might be behind my door. I don't Joe the.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Gas shooter Andresen just ways shooting gas. You just gotta
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: watch out. My like, coming into camp and this like offseason,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: my I wanted to see where Williams was going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: be from a trajectory standpoint. But my thought was like, Okay,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: if they need a third linebacker, like it's going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: be more And I know that's not the sexiest pick,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: but known quantity, plenty of real snaps with Philly, like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: all those snaps on a playoff on a playoff caliber team. Granted,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know Philly did fall apart last year and you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: know he was part of a grouping that was not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: good for them with their linebacking corps. But my thought was, okay,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like Morel's gonna be that linebacker. And I'm still kind
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of like you could you could pitch me on almost
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: anyone starting next to Bernard, and I'd be like, okay,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: because to your point, like in an ideal world, it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is Dorrian Williams, right, like the cost, the contract, the term,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the value, the pick you use, Like in a perfect world,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it is him, and could it be him?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Could it also be any one of other like two
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: or three other dudes? Like you could convince me of that,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think this is like locked down or
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: locked in for Dorny and Williams, and from any expectation standpoint, again,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I want to see what the tape looked like for
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: him in this game. But you know, Eric and I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: broke it down last week like there's still just he's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: still just raw in coverage and he's making better plays
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: against the run. He has improved last year, which is
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: good to see, But I still just don't know where
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he is from a processing standpoint, And because of that,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that's why it wouldn't surprise me if like, Okay, no
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: morals ahead of him, or or even though Deon Jones
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: is the shell of Deon Jones, if you want didn't
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: tell me no, I think it should be Jon Jones.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, I can kind of understand that case.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Or if we hear that the Bills have reached agreement
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: with Zack Cunningham, we'd be like, oh, all right, I
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: guess I mean.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I guess they're going to play him on early downs
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Correct like, oh, I guess. That would tell me like, oh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I guess they're going to do the platoon thing correct.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: And because we did last year, we and you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I could God loved Carl Dotson, like he proved plenty
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of people wrong last year because they protected him in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the scheme and they only put him in positions where
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: he was set up to succeed. We could do that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with a lot of these other guys. And I'm not
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: gonna lie, we could probably do that with Joe Andresen,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: like you know, like if we're grasping it, like, hey,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: we got to put a guy in a spot to
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: succeed and then protect him on passing downs that like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: those plays tonight are the immediate instinctive just constantly be
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: around the ball. That's what Dorian Williams was supposed to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: do tonight, what he was supposed to do, Like this
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: was set up perfect for him.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and just just kind of my thoughts coming
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: into this game were again, I thought the starters were
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: going to play before that Torental downpour. But I was like, Okay,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it'll be Bernard and Dorian. And then I told you offline,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like when I started watching the game and I was like, okay, cool,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like Dorian and Andresen. And I was like Darrian and
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Andresen because I saw the four it first and I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: assumed it was fifty four yep. And then I was like, well,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Specter lost like fifteen pounds and shrank like two inches,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh no, it's forty four,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and I just wonder how much. Yeah, like that that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: little wrench, like maybe they're still thinking like oh cool,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: good job Andreasen, but Specter's still ahead of you, or
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's down the pecking order, but yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it is sure.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Dan Jones, Yeah, Like I mean Dan Jones was just
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: like an all pro lifebacker at one point. Yeah, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: would get said that we're way past that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you would have told me like twenty
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: seventeen to like twenty twenty one, t On Jones was available,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: sign me up. Like he was just everywhere, like the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: speed and all jokes as I like the trigger and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the like shooting gaps and what he was from an
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: athleticism standpoint. Yeah, so I think this linebacker again, it's
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: just on the week Milano goes down and then Specter's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: unavailable and a guy steps up and just has himself
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a really good game and all the local stuff and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the wrestling and the backstory and everything, and also playing
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: alongside a guy who's also trying to lay claim to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that spot. It just creates a lot, a lot of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: drama and storyline about the spot. Like I was not expecting, like, okay,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Greg and I are going to do this, you know
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: post game show. I was not expecting the first half
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: hour to be about linebacker because we're talking about Joe Andriesen.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Like it just wasn't it just wasn't there.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Real quick shout out V nineteen eighty sixty Hurt listening
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to US live and posted the Josh Roth jersey man.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic, man.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You know what, That forty four looks real good on
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the nineties bills uniforms. That's that's a good one. Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: The cleanliness. Yeah, I mean, I'm a huge fan of
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the ninety Those ninety uniforms back like an alternate, a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: one game alternate. I don't understand why it's not everyone's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: This is one of those things where like I could
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: see some dumb marketing executive saying that we need to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: save that for when the new stadium opens and whatever.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Like I could see someone convincing themselves of that. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: have no idea why. I have no idea why, but
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I could see someone that all right, we shuld probably
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: talk about at least some of the other eighty nine people.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: The uniform things are one for me, were like, do
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: what everybody else is doing? Like they're all doing cool
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: uniforms and going back to the box.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Can you see everybody else going nuts and celebrating and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: being super happy about it. You can make money doing that, dude,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: do whatever.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Just cave to the peer pressure. Be like everyone else,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: don't be an individually, you don't need to be all right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: let's go yeah to your point, let's go through the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: normal order and kind of pecking order conversation pieces. We'll
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: start on the offensive side of the ball. Quarterback. No,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's night, which is a disappointment for people and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: for Allen a little bit himself. He said on the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: sideline that he was probably he understood it, but he
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was going to make fun of mcdermomy for the next
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: week and a half and say it was like a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: soft So no, Alan, by the way, the right smart move.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if you have any idea, we would have
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: been burning McDermott and effigy like literal pitchforks and torches
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: at his door if he put him out there on
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and already like known to be questionable, seemed to field
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: with a downpour storm beforehand, like that. That's one hundred
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: percent of the right decision. It's not fun, it's not
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a fun decision, but it's one hundred percent the right decision.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can protect a franchise, Like I'm completely fine
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: No, I'm impressed that he added Bernard and a handful
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of other people to it like multiple guys who were
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: supposed to play. He is like, nope, screw it, We're
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: not messing around you guys.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Go sit. Yeah, respect like that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I respect that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's a very fair call. So we
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: get no Josh Allen. We get Bitch Trubisky, who we
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: may have seen more of, but he kind of got
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: dinged up and so he gives way to Janucci. Yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: not great. You know, Trubisky started off with a couple
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of nice strolls. I was like, okay, and then just
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: does Mitch Trubisky things like some not pulling the trigger
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on I think it was on the second series.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Where her Big he padded the ball three times.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He it's third and two and the two man game
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: works great. Edwards gets caught inside and her Big comes clean,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: but he had multiple options to his right. I'm like,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: just hit one of them, like, and you're looking right
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at Cook. He doesn't pull the trigger on that. He
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: has the ugly interception.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Hollins is like a like, he's not. We get spoiled
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: with Josh. So like, hitting the out at the sideline
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: from the far hash is not an easy throw, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: we take it for granted because Josh does it all
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the time, but like put it, put it over Holland's head,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: put it, put it over, put it up above where
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it's either a toe tap great grab or an incomplete
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: don't eat it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially with like the like her big comes
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: through the gap where Cook released, So throw it to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Cook like he's and I'm gonna want to see it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: on the All twenty two and Mike, I'm not crazy,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: but I feel like he was looking right at him.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we get kind of a part for the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: course Mitch Trubisky performance where it's it's not really great
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and kind of underwhelming or well, I guess depending on
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: how you view him, it might just be part of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the course altogether. And non maybe you were just whelm
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you were by Mitch Trubisky. And he gives way to Danucci, who,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: as they stated in the broadcast, doesn't really know a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: ton of the playbook, and the Bills basically just run
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: from the football left and right. It's just duo and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: duo and some outside zone and mid zone and then
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: duo and duo, and they're just running the ball left
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and right, which will make a fun conversation for the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: running backs. But in the old line even, yes, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the old line even, but not really too much to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: write home about. For the quarterbacks. I think the biggest
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: thing for me with the quarterbacks is when you're in
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: this situation, especially when we're trying to evaluate the wide
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: receiver grouping and the pass catchers, it's just so hard
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to do that when you got guys who aren't pulling
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the trigger properly, or in the case of Danucci, you're
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: just running the ball every single play.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you know, I've been this year. I
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: didn't because we had already given guaranteed money to Mitch Trubisky.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I've been on the boat of hey, just lock in
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the cost certainty of a day three rookie quarterback because
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: then we don't have to worry about the money because
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you know, right now for people who are asking, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: lots of people are asking, Mitch Trubisky's contracts guaranteed, like
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we can cut him and it's not so much money that, oh,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: we couldn't possibly do that, but it's not nothing. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: think it's like two point seven million, so we can
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: kick some of that in the next year, eat it
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and move on from him. But there's zero savings so
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: we would have to pay him and his replacement, which
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it certainly doesn't look like Ben Denucci is a replacement.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Some people want us to call Ryan Tannehill or whatever.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm comfortable that, Hey, we're not going to have a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett or a Gardner Minshew because you don't pay
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: for that when you have a franchise quarterback. That's just
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that's a starter that you're and not have those guys
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: are making, like you know, Persess making ten million dollars
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: from there, that's a start. Yeah, that's not having Connor McGovern.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: That's not having you know, I don't even know who
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: else to. That's not bringing back Dake one Jones. You're
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: picking that insurance instead of day one Jones. I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: care that much. I don't I don't care about that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I don't want him instead of Versual Douglas. Like that's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: you're removing a veteran starter instead of having a backup quarterback.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: So I get that. But you know, you could hit
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: on Cooper Rush, you could hit on hell Mike White,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you could hit on Black Party obviously at the at
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the high end, but like you could hit on one
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: of these guys who ends up being like, oh well,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that's kind of fun. Like that is where Kirk Cousins,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that's where Jimmy Garoppolo came from. Where hey, you stumbled
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: upon a trade asset. So at some point, I by
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: some point, I mean next freaking April, we have reached
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: that point of where, hey, we need that because if
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna have do you Kobe Brssett or Tyrod
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Taylor or you know one of those higher end well,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston a more well paid backup, and that means
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna have it. We certainly shouldn't be paying
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: extra money for Michter Bisky because he is not worth
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: extra money. He is not worth more than the minimum
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: contract money, and we're paying him more than the minimum
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: contract money. We're paying more him, more than guys who
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: are gonna more than Dwayne Smooth. Dwayne Smooth's gonna be
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: more important to this team than Mitch Whisky, and we're
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: paying mister Bisky more money. So I don't think we
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: have a choice. I don't think we're gonna have someone good.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: And if we drafted the the day three rookie, it
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: would also be a disaster. If josh a Owen missed
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: any time, but that guy had to play. So this
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: isn't to say that it's better. It's just that I'm
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: annoyed we're paying extra money to also not really have
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: any more insurance than we would with just some Joe
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Milton or whoever. They also wouldn't be ready to lead
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: this team.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair and I'm in that boat as well,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: just from I just don't want to do the offseason
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: dance every year of like what quarterback or resign into
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a one year deal to figure out who's gonna play
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: behind Josh Allen, Like just yeah, just give me a
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: day three quarter years, yep, four years cost effective? You
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: know what you're getting year in, a year out. Also
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: somebody who could potentially develop year four.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe you give yourself a little little something rehabitrat chip.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah cool.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And if not, like maybe if Alan gets banged up
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: in year three or year four, for that guy, it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a guy who's been with the team for three or
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: four years already and kind of you have some kind
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: of continuity there. But yeah, either way, it's kinna be
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: disaster if Allen goes down. But yeah, another just underwhelming day.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: From the asking you when you see guys like this,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to talk about the running backs
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and the offensive line just fine. I struggled to talk
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: about the receivers because Mitch did so little, and then
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: it got to the point where we were just kind
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of milking the clock but running it down their throat. Yes,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and protecting Danucci. He's been with the team fair days.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's also a good point, like you don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: want to just that's not even thrown a dude into
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the fire. That's like setting him up for failure, like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to really trot him out and chuck the ball around
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: when he doesn't he's not familiar with what's going on there.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: So obviously in the passing game, like the the receivers
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: and tight ends. You know, Coleman made the one play
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: early and then it was out a little bit in
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: front of him and August preseason in.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: The low red zone. That's a touchdown. You got to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: catch that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit of alligator arms.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: That safety was coming quick, you know, if he I think.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: He tried to snatch it and put it away, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he tried to do it so fast that he bricked it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if he does that in a regular season game,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'll be mad. I'll give him a pass in a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: preseason game here, but if he does that in a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: regular season game, I would be mad.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Fair. Yeah, No, I second that I saw the play
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and the first thing that pre snap, I was like, man,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: this would be a really good spot to go to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Kean just based on the coverage and he the play
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: action works and he times it well. He stabs with
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: his outside foot and he comes right inside and he's
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: got space and.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: He created the enough of a window of what he needed.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Like he did his job. He just didn't follow through
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: on the right. He didn't finish the route. And I
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: get like you said, I think I don't know the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: alligator arm is full because he didn't like full like
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: come back, but you could tell he tried to snatch
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: into Pool's arms back.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know he either saw the flash
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: or hood or heard footsteps and he knows again from
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the pre snap positioning, like where the safety is going
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, I think tried to get it and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: either protect the ball or protect himself, but he just didn't.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: He just didn't snatch it from the air, which again
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: he has good hands like it's frustrating to kind of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: see that in that moment. He's been making all these
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: plays and again, you know, let's we'll do running backs after.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the wide receiver positions. Since we're here,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I wanted to throw. There's several people in the chat
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: who are just angry and cussing out the bills left
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and right. Yeah. I got yelled at by Michael for
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: not for ignoring his super chat, which I didn't. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: pulled it up.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Anthony's faut that was rambling at the time that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I did pull it up. But also so
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it's a wide receiver points I figure, yeah, we were
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: going to go yeah, absolutely, also cool a I photo.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Michael says, did you guys see our first
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: round pick catching touchdowns for the Chiefs today while we
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: watched Coleman lumber around? So this is in reference to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. I had to look this up because I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: was out at a family party all day. I saw
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: no football. Xavier Worthy caught a touchdown pass today for
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs while key On Coleman is lumbering around. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Michael is not pleased, as are a couple other people
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in the chat who think ke On Coleman is a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: bust or is highly overrated.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: So that's I saw their first round pick get thrown
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: around in the joint practice is like a rag doll.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Who put him on the ground, Like it was McDuffie
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: joint practice when Worthy got chucked? No, that was chiefs
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: on chiefs, two chiefs guys. I think it was. I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: think it was McDuffie or I don't want to say,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: like Brian Cook, it was somebody because he was in
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the slot. It was either it was either a big
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: nickel or it was McDuffie. Yeah, who just put him
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: down to the ground.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I thought two guys. The first guy was knocking around
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the other one just crushed him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the second guy.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: This Worthy can stay on his feet, he's gonna look great.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fair he got chucked. The second guy who crushed
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: him was tranquil like accidentally just going into coverage. It
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: was like whoops, like ran into him. But you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: while we're on that conversation, you know, key On Coleman,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I think, what what's frustrating me with Coleman? Oh nice
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: comment there from Jim Jack about Worthy. My my frustration
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: with Coleman Grant, he should have caught that ball tonight.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: My frustration with the wide receiver position isn't even so
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: much with like Coleman himself or wide receivers in general.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: It's just if the quarterback play these first two games
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: has just been really hard to get any semblance of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: evaluation for the guys at the position, which is frustrating
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: because there are so many changes in the wide receiver
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: room this year from a body type standpoint and skill
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: set and fit and all of these pieces, and you're
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: not really getting any semblance of evaluation because of what
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: what's going on at the quarterback spot. And you know
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you alluded to it a minute ago with talking about
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the QBS. That's my biggest takeaway. So I really have
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to go and like, okay, got to watch the all
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: twenty two to see the route concepts and creating separation
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: at night exactly because we're not getting any Oh well,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: so and so must be doing good because he's getting
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the ball left and right and things are working, because
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the quarterback play isn't there to support the wide receiver
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: play and it's muddying this whole wide receiver conversation, which
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: that's my biggest takeaway for the wide receivers tonight, along
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: with a couple other little details.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I can tell you Mac Collins is wide open on
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: one of them.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Malcolm mac collins had a decent night to night being
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: able to continuously find space. But yeah, fairpoint.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So out of anything else with the wide receivers, there's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: not a ton to take away from here. I saw
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: kJ Hamler have a really nice dig out block on
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: a Ray Davis play where he had to come back
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and like so it was a zone run to the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: right and he was the outside receiver off to the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: left and he came in like where it would normally be,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like if it was going the other way, would be
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: like him coming back on the crack back, but like
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: he like scooped underneath and got the defensive end, which
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: is noticeable when it's kJ Hammler because he's so little.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: So that's like why my eyes caught it as he
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: didn't as like, oh good job.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Shavers had one tonight too where he buried somebody on
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the edge of the line. I think they ran duo
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and he put dude on the ground like he lit
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: him up. He like hit stuck him like you flicked
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the right analog stick up and put it down.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So those literally like those are little flashes that stuck
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: out to me. And then obviously there is some strategic
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: impact of how serious is what happened to Marcus veldscanting?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Because that looks scary. He did not look happy. Neck
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and back things can be very like the timelines can
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: be very weird. I know a lot of people like this.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I'm separating this. I'm assuming he was a roster locke
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: per se as that wide receiver four, wide receiver five five.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: He's behind Hollins for sure, but that wide receiver five spot.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So that is an impact. So if he's now injured
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to the point where it's at least early season, I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: ar pup list kind of thing, that now creates an
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: opening that we weren't sure that. I mean, honestly, that's
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: probably a direct line to throughout shavers, you know, from
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: from that standpoint, or I guess kit Ja Handler has
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: been doing certicate. I think Dague Hardy probably seemed like
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: he got an awful big step forward from a return standpoint.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that here.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And even the one where I was like, why are
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you running back towards the goal line and then he
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: pulled it out and turned the corner, and I was like, Okay,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Tell you Sean mcdermot's not going to care about the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: result of that play. He's gonna the fact that he
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: went back into our He's going to hate that with
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the burning passion. So yes, he did get himself back
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: out to like the eight yard liner or so and
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: like not make it a complete disaster, but he's gonna
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: hate that real, real bad anyways, So Marcus veldis Kanitlin.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: That is a roster impacting element. We need to learn
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: about what happened. How serious is that? How bad is that?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: It's that something that's going to impact his availability early on,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: because that is something that could certainly open up an
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: avenue of you know, hey, let's connect it to other
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: things here. I know one of the guys just said Davidson,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: who I don't think is going to be wide receiver five.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, but.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Does mvs Maybe let's let's right now, let's just go
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: into the assumption he starts a season on the ir
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and that this is something serious enough that he could
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: miss the beginning of the season. Does that lead to
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a sixth linebacker named Joe andreeson. Does that lead to
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a fourth tight end named Zach Davidson that doesn't have
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to be a receiver. They could keep five now and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: just have the four main guys, A maybe handler or
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Shaver is a fifth, and don't keep six. And now
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that's one extra linebacker, one extra tight end or an
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: extra you know, will clap look pretty good tonight. We'll
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: get to that here in a second. You know, does
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: that give you another opening? I don't think it'll be
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: a fourth running back like Frank cor who will talk
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: about in a second, but you know that could be
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe I was already in the boat of like, hey,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: we might only keep five wide receivers. If MVS starts
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: on IR, I would strongly wager that we only keep
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: five wide receivers.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: That's fair, or just put Entry sent a wide receiver.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: He's all things to help you.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Ever, I wanted to pull up this comment real quick.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Who I think this guy left already because we're too fanish.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I love when people just yell into the void because
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: they're angry, and so this guy's been yelling ass the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: whole time, and he says this comment says Holman had
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: an easy toss and he dropped it. Quit making excuses.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: We literally said he should have caught the ball, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: we said he did a bad thing by not catching it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Like if you it's what are
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: we spinning? We were said, oh, you know, here's why
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: he may have dropped it. We're not excusing it. We
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: didn't say that. We said he should have called the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: regular season. We said he should have caught the ball.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't I don't understand. Yeah, it's
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: cut him.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: He's a bust.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: He's terrible. He can and you know when I say
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: this as a person who I really love Xavier Worthy,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and I wanted the Bills to take exavior Worthy, and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I still would be happy for the Bills to get
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: favor Worthy even though we sall, yeah, I like speed
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: is fun, right if you're not first, your last rickey
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Bobby and all that kind of stuff like Ni mc queen.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: He didn't say that, but he could have. Yeah, I'm
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: very interested to see where where this wide receiver position goes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Now if next stuff is always temperamental, right, like you
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: don't know, MBS could be back practicing tomorrow and everything
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: is good. Or he could have like a bruised spinal
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: corps and he's out for god knows how long, like
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you just never know, And yeah, how does that muddy
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the situation because we haven't You've got Shakir and you
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: got Coman not in order, but you've got Shakir, You've
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: got Coman, you've got Kurt of Samuel, and you've got
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Matt Collins.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are like not only locked in, but like wait,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: like uh, playing time snaps targets like light year away
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: from everybody else, no matter who is five or if
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: there's a six, absolutely and so.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people were like, Okay,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you see the money that MBS got, and knowing even
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: though he's not amazing who he is and where he's been,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, MBS is wide receiver five, do they
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: keep six? Who's the six? YadA YadA, so on and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: so forth. But if MBS has hurt for any period
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of time, And this is what's frustrating about how the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: first two preseasons have gone, because we don't really it
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: could be anyone just because we haven't seen a sample
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: size of somebody who's played well in the preseason. When
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the bullets have been live, like Camler's had some hit Camler,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I guess I can buy kJ Hamler, Makekamler. Hammler's had
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: some flashes. Shavers has had a moment or two and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: also like a pretty good training camp. But you could
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: make the case for almost anyone. And then to your point,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: then it's like you're not going to keep six like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: because then you're keeping a guy that probably you're not keeping.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: If MVS is good, that's really your wide receiver seven
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that you do you want to keep them as wide
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: receiver six and it must spot.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Even any of those guys, I don't think any of
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: them have been as good at corner as JaMarcus Ingram
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: has been as good at linebacker six as Jo and
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Reason has been as good at running back four as
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Frank Gore has been, as good at the tight end
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: four as Zac Davidson has been as good at you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: d line ten that kings with Jonathan or Deshaun Williams
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: has been like, there isn't anybody there that's doing such
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: a like outstanding job that we can't roll the dice
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: that we can get it back on practice squad, Because
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: if I told you that it's week four and on
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: our practice squad. We have Andy Isabella, like kJ Hamler
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and Marcus Velda Scantleon and we lost Terrell Shavers. Are
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you going to be like, oh man, I can't believe
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: we lost Like I mean, yeah, like what does it meant?
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Or that, Hey, we have Terrell Shabers, Andy Isabelle and
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: kJ Hamler and practice squad we lost Marcus Vella Scantling
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: or we lost Andy Isabella or we lost kJ Handler
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: like we're not going to have all of them on
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: practice squad Like yes, somebody's not going to make it. Yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: what do we care which one? Like none of these
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: guys are didn't we learn with Isaiah Hodgins? Like didn't
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: we learn like m it's not You're not just a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: hidden superstar all the time, like it? How dare you?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: How dare you speak of Hodgens that way? You know what?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Even at that point, if if MBS is banged up,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I'd rather instead of keeping six wide receivers, I'd rather
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: keep four tight ends and have Zach Davidson be kept
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: as like the four tight end over like another receiver,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Like it's just the value just is not there. But again,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it's just frustrating because even if they even if even
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: if they if they keep six because MVS is good,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: or if MVS is banged up and they got to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: figure out who's going to be five, it's just annoying
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that it could be anyone and we we don't have
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: real game evaluation at this point other than just like
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: trying to watch and see who's running good routes and separating,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: because we're getting that disconnect between quarterback play and wide
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: receiver and it's and it's muddying the whole evaluation process
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: from a roster.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I thought a nice throw on that corner route Quentin
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Morris could have had a touchdown. Yeah, there's a couple
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: of different spots where I think some of the Titans
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: could have fled. Obviously, we said did Zach Davidson on
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: the one? Really? Oh, I was talking about the one
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: that he took down the sideline? But yeah, creating, you know, separation.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: There'll be more to be seen once you can see
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the all twenty two of how open was he versus
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: how often you get the ball?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, so kind of seeing how that anything
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: else on wide receivers.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: For you, No, but just wait on the news for
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: NBS yeah, which.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Sucks anything on tight ends. No, Dalton Kincaid, we saw
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Dawson Knox and then Morris got
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: banged up a little bit, but we got to see
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: some Zach Davidson. I saw a couple of really nice
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: blocks from Zach Davidson, which got me excited.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is a factor for him, like his athleticism,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: his movement skills, his after the catch skills are what
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: get people excited. But in order to make this roster,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: you got to one play special teams and make tackles.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Because last year our number one and number two snap
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: counts on special teams were Reggie Gilliam and Quintin Morris. Like,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: you got to play if you're going to make that
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: team there, So if Davidson wants to make it, you
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: got to run down to tackle people, absolutely, and you
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: got to block. You got to be rate to block.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: So it's cool that he can do the other things,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: but we have Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox, so like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I'm cool if he can be a backup to them,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: But you want to play, you've got to do the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: other dirty.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Work absolutely, and so yeah, I noticed a couple one
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: on zone run. One, on duo the zone run he
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: was backside. Dual run he was front side because it's due.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, a couple of nice blocks, which was cool.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to go back and see him on the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: All twenty two for that. But again, I feel like
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: that's really where I'm trying to glean value, was how
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the tight ends blocked in the run game, because again
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: from a pass catching standpoint, it's very much a similar
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: conversation to the wide receiver conversation because the quarterback play
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and just how the game went.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: So speaking of let's talk about some run game.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, run game was good. Nice, Oh boy. I don't
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you gotta start with Ray Davis. I think he was
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the most successful on the night. But really, like if
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you wanted to start with Gore, or even if you
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to start with Darrenton Evans who had a couple
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of nice runs tonight, the run game really got it working.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It was nice too to see it with Denucci, who
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I think at a certain point everybody realized it was
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: just going to be running the football, and between the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: O line and the running backs like they were able
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: to just continue to get push and create displacement. And
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: make things work. But yeah, you know, I think Gore
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: stood out, Evan stood out and Ray Davis as well.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Like the juice, the burst, the vision, the feet, a
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: couple of really nice runs for him, some good like
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: chunk yard is between ten and fifteen yards, falling forward,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: breaking tackles a little bit. It was really nice to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: see the running backs again in a game where you
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: need to see that considering your past game is pretty lifeless.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Every single guy four plus yards per carry. Four of
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: the five guys five plus yards per carry. Ray Davis
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: eight for fifty eight, so seven point three yards per carry,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Frank Gore Junior eight for forty one, so five point
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: one yards per carry, Darrenton Evans seven for thirty seven
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: five point three, James Cook six for twenty five at
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: four point two, and Ty Johnson with a six yard run.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: So all told those guys, not including the Neil downs.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: At the end, it was thirty carries for one hundred
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: and sixty seven yards. So those thirty carries by the
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: running backs, you know, you're talking five point six yards
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: of carry. Really really good game, especially after a little
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: lifeless again. I know it was the bear second preseason game.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: They certainly looked more ready and more communicative and organized
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: getting to that standpoint. So it was nice to see
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that bounce back tonight. Pittsburgh is a well coached team
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: with a talented front, with a lot of like they
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: had a lot of their you know the names that
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: you're looking with, Keanu Benton and like you know, Landon
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Roberts and Nick Herbig and you know, Petrick Queen was
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: out there playing tonight like they were playing their guys
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: and we were running the ball right at them. So
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that was encouraging to see. Again, we'll go back and
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: see the blocking is is hard in the moment other
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: than like at the point of attack and things like that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Blocking the secondary was hard to see.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to see who had a good
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: game versus bad game, uh, in those in those senses,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: but I loved seeing you know, last week they were
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: missing on combo blocks like I get it, like you
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: get beat one on one, but we saw guys getting
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: knocked backwards. We saw missing moving guys on double teams,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: like getting up field on to the second level on
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: combo blocks. We were seeing all those things tonight that
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: was clean, look good and all you can ask you
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: know that all those yards per carry. We didn't have
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: any big huge plays like there was a fourteen yard
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: and a nineteen yard or there wasn't some big play
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: booing that making it look good. It was four yards,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: five yards, six yards, over and over and over again.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: That's a really encouraging game to be able to do
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: it even if it was vanilla. They knew what was
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: coming at them too, and they were still able to
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And then, like like you said, with the stats there,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: like it was you saw it across even going with Cook,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: like Cook had some nice runs and then Ray Davis
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: had a really good night. Gore had some nice runs
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: incoding at one point I think Sophia mentioned it in
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the comments where it was just like five straight Frank
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: or Junior runs and he was just picking up first downs.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Evans Evans had a couple of really nice cuts, and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: again it was just simple like they're running Dart where
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they're pulling Spencer Brown or they're pulling Dion Dawkins, they're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: running duo, and then they're just running zone like they're
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: just running like their basic core concepts that are also
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Dart is a little it isn't vanilla, but it is
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to them because they run it all the friggin time.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: And it's also not showing their hands, and they none
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of no eye candy, no extra motion, not much of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the fancy. You know, all the condensed sets were excited
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: about things like pretty Vanilla's pretty straightforward. Hey, you know
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: what's coming, and we're gonna be able to do it. Anyways,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: even some of the stuff like they were running the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: ball on like third and three, third and four, where
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: it's like, hey, just prove it to me, you can
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: get it, and they did. They converted several times, but
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: a couple of times that they you know, they ran
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: for two and a half on third and four and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, would you really run the ball in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that situation? They wouldn't, you know, Josh allenback that you're
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: not running the ball on third and four. But it
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: was still like some of that, there's some principal one
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: on one film that goes with that that they can say, hey,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: not advantageous situations, not schemed up, not perfect scenarios, show
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: me you can still win your matchup. That's good film
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: analysis for the coaches and position coaches to go back.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And look at absolutely and you know, again especially like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you said, coming off the Chicago game, where we really
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: didn't see success on the ground until it was the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: third teamers with Darrynton Evans and SVPG and then running
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: their pinon poll stuff. But tonight we really saw it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: from the first team, the second team, the third team
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: throughout the game and four running backs having a good night.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And again it was nice. Like last week, Evans had
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: some nice stuff on the ground and Ray Davis had
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: some nice plays, but a lot of them were in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the past game because the run game wasn't doing anything.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Gore had a couple of nice runs last week, but
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: it was really more a couple of nice catches because
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: again the run game wasn't working. Tonight it was I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: really thought everyone's showing good vision, good contact balance, kind
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: of falling forward, and especially two I think from actually
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Davis did this, Evans did this, and I think Gore
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: did it as well. When they're running duo and they're
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: just washing down that front side and the running backs
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: are bouncing it, and in that one on one situation
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: with the corner, all three guys were able to put
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: a move and turn the corner on the cornerback and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: chop down an armed get up the sideline, like make
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: moves in addition to kind of winning inside as well.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: And so that's a testament to the running backs and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: their overall ability, but also kind of you know, attaching
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: that to I think our next position group to talk
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: about the offensive line, who you know, I had a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: just again from first team all the way through to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the third and fourth however you want to label it,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: just good push and displacement creation on the ground. Tonight
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: we saw them lean into their core concepts. Nothing crazy,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: nothing schemed up like you said, but just you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: some dart, some pin and pull, zone and duo, a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: ton of zone and a ton of duo, some dart
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: with the first team grouping, which again makes sense because
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: that's you know, one of their bread and butter concepts
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: come in the season. But it was nice to just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: see the push and the movement consistently. Again, like you said,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: against the front that is able to work, and even
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: if it is the Steelers second or third team. Dudes,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guys, like when they put on the helmet in
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: the jersey and you play for Mike Tomin like you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: understand the assignment. You know how you're supposed to play,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: football and they got There's a couple of times there
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: was some good penetration. There was some good juice on
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the from a pass us perspective for some of the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Steelers guys, but largely tonight, I thought the offensive line
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: had a good performance with a couple guys who really
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: stood out for themselves as well.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent they I think you talk, we arelready
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: rattled off the you know, yards per carry to me
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: is normally an offensive blind stat more than it is
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: a running back stat. Uh. You know, they were consistently
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: giving them first contact down the field. That's what you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: asked for in a run game is don't make the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: running back. You have to make a play at the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, give them space, make their first contact
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: down the field. They were doing that. The one sack
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: was one hundred percent on Mitch tr Whisky because you
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: didn't get rid of the ball. Even the other one
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: that was on a there was a miscommunication that is
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: going to get marked against the offensive line where they
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: let her big come on that. But that was a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: nice stunt that was well done. And even that one,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: you know, Josh would have got rid of the ball
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: like the ball would have been out on the one.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: So and the last one for Denucci was him just
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: eating the ball, not to get yelled at putting it
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: at risk when we were trying to run the car.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like, I'm just going to eat
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and let the clock run. I was actually kind of like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: that's a smart play, Like I'll.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Take good play. Ronald Curry in his ear before that play,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: going out there, saying, hey, do not stop the clock.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Don't do not stop even if we go here, eat it,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: do not throw it away, do not throw an incompletion
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: of interception. Just keep the clock running. And they gave
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: him a couple of those quick bubble screens, little little
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: quick outs and stuff like that, just to keep the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: defense just honest enough that it wasn't literally run the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: wall every play. So none of those, in my mind
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: were None of those were the old lineman got beat
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: one on one straight up for a second like there weren't.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't remember a single snap of that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: for a sec. There were a couple that will go
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: back and look at.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Spencer Spencer Brown got beat inside on one, but but
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: they were also that play. They were also the Bills
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Online was doing some cool and it's kind of what
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: they do they did last year as well, like some
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: of the false poll stuff to kind of send the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: run at sell the run actions, so like they were
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: pulling O Cyrus Torrents on play action to make it
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: look like power but it's really just a play action pass.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And then he's looping around to be the end man.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: And on the one where Spencer Brown got beat inside
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: he I don't know if he was expecting McGovern to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: help it, but it's hard for mc govern to get
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: over there because he's going from center all the way
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: over to Spencer Brown at right tackle because McGovern because
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Torrens had pulled and wasn't there next to him anymore.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: So that's one I do want to watch on tape.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't really remember too many where I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, so and so just got beat or
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: so and so got blown up, like and we saw
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that a lot last week from the first team all
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the way through the third.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something I'm excited to be able to look
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: at a little bit more see what what you near
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: come up with as well to be able to look
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: at there. But a big step forward for one that again,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: it my response last week. I talked about this with
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Joethers and it was, you know, the offensive line was
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: kind of a given for me. Said, Okay, I got
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: other things to worry about, but at least we have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. And they opened against the Bears. Wasn't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: enough that I was like, like all of a sudden,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: throwing that out of the window. But I was like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, yeah damn it. I wasn't worried about this,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: like do I need to be worried about this? Like
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be a strength. So
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I after tonight, I feel much much better. That gets
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: me back to, Okay, this is what I expected. Feel
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: good about it. I don't think we're gonna see much
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: in this third preseason game. I think we're seeing awful
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: lot of the guys not even dressed. But I feel
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: good enough now that Okay, that's what I expected. That's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: what we share. We shod but power above average good
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: run run blocking offensive line and an average to slightly
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: below average pass blocking offensive line. And when you have
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: an average pass blocking offensive line and Josh Allen, you're
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: fine because Josh Allen makes everything okay. So if we
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: can have an above average good run blocking line and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: an average or below average pass blocking line. With Josh Allen,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I feel good, and now I feel now I'm back
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: to okay. We have an above average good run blocking
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: line and an average to below average pass blocking line.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: We'll be fine. Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: It was nice to see them get working in the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: run game again, and I'm excited to see next week.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: You know, to your point, I feel like we're probably
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: not gonna get a lot of starters. I'm excited to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: see another week. For Cedric van Prank Granger, I thought
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: he had a couple of nice blocks again tonight. There
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: was one that really stuck out with me. One of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the Frank Gore runs. It's a zone run and the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Steelers blits their linebacker at the last minute, and Granger
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: picks him up and hits him immediately as he's trying
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: to shoot through the A gap, and then Gore cuts back,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and then Gore gets through to the second level and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: cuts again. It makes the safety wipeout as he came through.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I like marked it. I'm excited. That might be the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: first play that I clipped for all twenty two. But
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: it was a nice pickup from Granger and then a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: nice run from Gore. So, yeah, really really good job
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: by the running backs tonight, and then in conjunction with
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: the offensive line stepping it up a little bit, flipping
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it over to the defensive side.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Of the ball.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Let's kind of group it all all together, the edge
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: play and defensive tackles. I know we're going to break
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: it up, but in the interest of time, because we
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: talked about Joe and Riesen for so much, let's group
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: it all is one grouping aside from Greg Russo, who
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: looked very good tonight from a pastor standpoint, and it
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: was very encouraging to see. Unless you want to talk
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: about him with you're free too. What stuck out to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: you from the defensive line tonight? Was it a depth guy?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Was it a starter? Was it something schematic? Anything on
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: your mind when it came to the Bills defensive line
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: coming out of this game.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: So, I mean the obvious just one is Gretor Russo.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: And it was not just that, like, oh it was good.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: It was that like those were like dominant reps. Those
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: were like embarrassing a first round pick reps, embarrassing a
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: first round pick with a first round pick running back
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: chipping at the same time. Yeah, and you still just
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: big boy. Both of them directly into a Russell Wilson sack.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I think they officially credited him with two and a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: half sacks in one quarter of play.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I believe it was like four tackles two and a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: half sacks is what they flashed up when they interviewed
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: on the sideline.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that he played much in the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: second quarter, So that was obviously awesome. You saw ed
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Oliver in there disrupting, You saw that movement and just
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: continually being able to reset the the lind scrimmage back
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: in their backfield. It's why they weren't able to get
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: a ton going. Later on, they got a little bit
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: of the run game going, but early on they just
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: could not get much of anything. And every time they
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: got into a passing situation, it didn't matter for as
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson or justin fields. They did not have time
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: or they did not have a clean pocket barely ever,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: so it wasn't perfect every single time, but there was
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: no picture perfect clean pockets at any point. That's what
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: we need, Like if we're going to be the new
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: safeties were breaking in the new linebacker, we're gonna have
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to break in. All of that's going to be made
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: much much easier if we have a disruptive front four
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: consistently over and over and over again. In the same way,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I want to be fair as I praised Gregor Russo
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: and that Oliver because they look great, similar to the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Andres and Dorian Williams comment, I'd love to see a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: flash or two from aj A Panessa. I'd love to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: ye a little something.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Marcus had a good comment here saying Epanessa had one
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of the quickest get offs last season. I did not
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: see that same person the rush today or last week.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing a metric last year at the beginning
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the season. Aj at Panessa is like across the entire
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: league is like top five for like the quickest or
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: fastest get off. He might even be like one or two,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: like he's up there. He might even be in the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: top three, like one of the best get offs. And
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing last week and this week.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: He doesn't look like he has that juice coming off
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the edge. He looks like he's playing in slow motion
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: or like quicksand a little bit. And I don't know
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: if he put on more weight or if he's banged
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: up or if it's don't something else, but he just
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: looks like he's drudging through and he doesn't look like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he's playing fast or crispin. And I think that's contributing
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: significantly to you know, your comment of kind of just
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: being like, yeah, you just you want to see more
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: from him. A couple of flashes, and he had a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: couple versus the run against Chicago, you know, versus some
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: tight ends. But yeah, you're just not seeing it from
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: a pastor standpoint at all right now, which is disappointing.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly where and again in the similar
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: to Dorian Williams like, I'm not disappointed. I don't think
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: you had a terrible game. I'm not like worried or concerned.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: I just I would have also loved it. You know,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I've seen you know, we're we're high fiving and joking about,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: oh my god, everybody's got a huge problem with Gregor Russo.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: He's going to be a that and he might be
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: like this might be you know, we might now have
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: and I said it our top four in pass rush downs.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be Gregor Russo and von Miller at Oliver
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and Dwayne Smooth. Dwayne Smooth's going to be that fourth
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: guy kicked in as a pass rushing three tech. And
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be like our get Home.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: NASCAR package or whatever.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be the ones. I still love
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Daikwon Jones. I'm super happy that we have Austin Johnson.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued about Dwayne Carter. I'm happy about a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: j and Panessa. I'll talk about another defensive end here
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: in a second, but that's going to be our four.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: That's going to be the key for of what we
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: need to happen here. And Dwayne Smoot might play a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: fair amount of snaps strong side anytime Russou has to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: sit down. He's a guy who can set the edge.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I also love that I'm seeing consistent flashes from Javon Solomon.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and when you were like who
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: else I'm going to talk about? I was like you
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: and Javon Solomon.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that I continue to see flashes from him.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I know you brought up some stuff previously where he
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't you know, obviously going against lower level competition, it
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: was easier for him to bend the edge easier for
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: him to turn the corner. I love seeing the counter
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: inside move he had a couple of times, but I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: loved seeing that he was going upfield, knew that they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: were reading that off of him, and he had that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: you know, switch to power back inside. Was able to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: cut back across the tackle's face and finish twice. I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: don't think he actually got a sack on either of them,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: but like one was a third down where he forced
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: a terrible throwaway that he you know that that's turnover.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: That's that's say, just as good as a sack because
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: you know it's not lost yardage, but it's just good
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: as a sack. You caused the team to get the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: ball back. He had two of those that that I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: counted where I saw a conscious second move. You know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: this is the second NFL game here, that's the second
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: game against nical competition. He's already making those adjustments. That
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: was really encouraging. And I swear I notice him on
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: special teams more than anybody else.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Like every every I think the second punt, he was
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: the one who made the plan the sideline, chased the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: dude down and like like kind of hog him and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: just brought him right down.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, it's because you don't normally see
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: a stocky number fifty six on special teams, so like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: it's noticeable. And I'm like, I keep noticing him on
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: special teams, so it's just cool, Like that's how you,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: that's how you. So Sophia here mentioned it, I read
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: a calf. I don't.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they said during the bills broadcast, they said that
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: he was they were doing like the pulsating massage or
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: to him on the sideline. So I'm hoping it was
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of like a little tweak or something crampy,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: cramp crazy.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: So we'll see, you know, calf is may I hate calf.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: The calf is my number one tissue concerned because I
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys are aware the calf is
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: close to the Achilles. Anything close to the Achilles freaks
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: me out. Don't love it. But I love that I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: keep noticing him. I love that I keep noticing him.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: I keep teasing people because oh man, I think he's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: a roster lock. Every fifth round pick in the NFL
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: makes a roster literally none literally none get released. All
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: none of them. The last three years, one hundred percent
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: have made rosters there haven't hasn't been a fifth round
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: pick that's been released for four years. Uh there last
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: year too, made it via IR. You know the bills
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: and the Colt's fifth round pick towards a cl like
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: a legit ACL. So even if you want to tell
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: me the just Re Shorter would have gotten cut and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: he was a convenience IR. Okay, Well, then that's one
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: in the last three years, and it's like ninety eight
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: point six percent fifth round picks are roster locks. It's not.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: It's not. That's not a leap that you're not staking
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: a claim of. Now, hey, Javon Solomon's my guy. Fifth
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: round picks make rosters period.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: You're not reading on the wheel here.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I I second the notion on Solomon, and you hit
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of it. I like the plays that he's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: making against the run and just reading the mesh point.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: But the big one for me is, you know that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: one play he talked about and I talked about it
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: last week on the show, talk about on the film
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: room a bit, and I broke down a bunch of
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it when I did, just like a Javon Solomon film
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: room or film episode for disguy's coverage, like a month
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: or so back. His go to move, and he did
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it a bunch against Chicago last week, is he tries
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: to bend that corner, he'll flash that inside hand to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: try and get the tackle to shoot his hands and
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: then he dips and bends underneath it, rips through and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: then flattens to the quarterback. And he did that multiple
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: times last week. He did it against Darnel right and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: he did it against the second string right tackle for
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: the Bears. And each time, just against NFL length and strength,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: he just wasn't able to flatten and turn that corner.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: They just threw him off a little bit. That when
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: he tried to turn the corner fully, he just got
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: thrown off kilter a little bit and wasn't able to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: just get right to the quarterback. And my big thing
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: for him because he is electric off the edge. He's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: got good juice, he's got bend, he's got good arm
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: length for his overall size and frame, and he understands
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: pass rush plan. He understands throwing a move here early
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: to set it up for another move later. I wanted
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to see what he would do with kind of being
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: hit with an obstacle, a little bit of like, Hey,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: my go to move or my go to style of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: turning the corner isn't working right now? What do I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: do to counter that? And you hit it on that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: one pressure tonight where he got he used that inside move.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: He he did what he normally does. And I want
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: to confirm it on tape, but I rewounded a bunch,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: so I'm pretty confident he flashed that hand briefly and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: he goes to turn the corner on the right tackle,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: and when the right tackle opens up and crosses that midline,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: he puts his foot in the ground and Solomon takes
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: his right hand, his inside hand, and he puts it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: right in his side, kind of like right into his armpit,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: and then chucks him upfield and comes back through inside
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: through that inside shoulder that he pried open. And it
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: was I was just like, oh there, it is like
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: cause you just need He doesn't need to be complete
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: from the perspective of like you gotta win inside and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: you gotta win outside. He just needs to win inside
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: enough that it's in the mind of tackles so he
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: can keep winning outside.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: And when he threw that, that's what you get when
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: you get to practice every day with von Miller.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Fairpoint. Fair point.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want to just like immediately give on all
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the credit for that, but like the little nuances like that,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: it's really nice when you have an all time pass
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: rushing Yeah, an upstandpoint.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Who's so cerebral. Ye, who understands the position and knows
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: how to win from the neck up. Yeah, Like, so
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: that type of experience is invaluable to all these dudes.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: And it was really nice to see just to see
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: him throw that inside move like and all he needs
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: to do is win with that a couple of times.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: So it's in the back of a tackle's mind to
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: be like, I can't sell out for the outside rush, like,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I have to protect my inside a little bit. I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: have to stay balanced. I can't just overset like and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: so that was really encouraging to see. And yeah, your point,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: he keeps flashing, and once he flashed on special teams
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: multiple times, I was like, Okay, it's a rap, like
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: he's If there was any doubt for anyone, I don't
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: think there is. He's making the roster. But yeah, he's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: looked good off the edge with legitimate juice, good special
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: teams reps for him, So he have really nice forge
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: of anslomn anybody else on the defensive line for you.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Not anyone without going back to watch again.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Significant other than the fact that I like someone named
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Rondel Bothroyd is on the team. I learned that during
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: the game because I saw the number and the back
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: of the nay and like I even had to like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: pause it and go, wait, who's ninety seven.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I did the same thing because I was like Jordan
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Phillips and I was like, that's not right, Like I
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: just as attached with it.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: And I literally and I bought both Bathroid and I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: had to like go look it up, and I was like,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Rondel Bothroyd is on this team, Darren righty is that's right?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Right? I'm kidding. That's a I hope he kills it,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Like I like, I want a Bathrood jersey. That's just awesome. Yeah,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: who's your favorite player? Rondel Bothroyd, bron Del Bothrod Obviously, Yeah,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: obviously he's not your favorite player. Let's so we've talked
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: about the linebackers, let's talk about the secondary. Well group
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: it as one hole because I don't think there was
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: anything too crazy from the safeties Daikwon hardy Man just
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: like inches away from if he's a couple of inches
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: taller or bigger hands, he might have a couple of
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: interceptions tonight, right man, just like Kyrie Elam had a
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: nice flash on a play, JaMarcus Ingram making some plays.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Benford had a couple of nice moments as well. So
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: the corners kind of making some noise a little bit
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: tonight to Corey Couch with a nice breakup to I
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: basically kind of end the game for the Steelers there
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: on fourth down in the fourth quarter. But the corners continue,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: uh to make some plays safety you know, we can
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: talk about it, but a little bit uneventful. We kind
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: of see what's happening there. But some you know, good again,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: good plays from the Bills starting corners, but also from
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: the Depp guys who are really trying to compete and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: kind of make their mark.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, I mean obviously tarn I think
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: on the very first play of the game, man, he just.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Went through when he went through Van Jefferson, it's it's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: cover three. He drops the flat triggers, picks and berries
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: on the sideline. Loved it. He had a couple of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: really nice tackles and finishes with the ones. Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Very first play that they went at, Christian Benford puts
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: his foot in the ground, fires forward, you know, closes
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: down like four yards of cushion, like four yards.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Breaks it up and I like the little flex too.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: He stood over I'm like trying to catch likes it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: on me, like.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: So much so that I looked for the flag. Oh fair,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I like it was so much where I was like,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: give men.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I always think, I always think it's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: what I always think it's too much is when like
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: someone when their teammate comes over to dap them up
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and they don't like someone came over to dap up
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: and for like good play, and he didn't acknowledge it
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: because he was just staring down the receipt and I
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: was like, I.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Still flexed, but yes, I loved. I love that they
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: immediately flashed. I saw, you know, uh Douglas didn't play
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: a lot, but was what was in there? So I
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: love seeing that and then I liked it. Later on
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: that Jamark Singram continues to use the size intelligently. I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: had somebody ask if it was weird how late kyer
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Elam was playing, But they asked in like the mid
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: third quarter, and I was like, wow, this is a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: gay like some of the starters. Starters in this game,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: not not starter game one. We're still playing into the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: third quarter, so I was like, well, I mean he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: is the third corner and this is when the backup
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: guy would come in, So I don't I don't think
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: he was playing with like street free agents and things
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: like that, but I am going to look.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: It was him and Ingram and Hardy consistently through like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the third and the one thing that was interesting with
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: that was this week Ingram being inside and Hardy being
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: outside again, so instead of Hardy being the third team
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: one of the third team outside corners, he was the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: second team outside corner, and they bumped Ingram inside to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: the slot, which I thought was interesting.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Ingram size in the slot is super interesting to me.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Is the tight end weapon that we obviously saw them
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: dabble with that with Saran Neil for a couple of years,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: and it's the one thing that Tarran doesn't have. Like
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Tarran plays bigger than his size belized and like good
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: for him, like he's able to play bigger than what
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: his natural size is. But yes, that does matter. When
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: it's Mark Andrews, when it's George Kittle, when it's Travis Kelce.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: So having a guy and JaMarcus Ingram is darned close
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: to as big as what saran Neil was. Having a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: guy with that frame and his shoulder like his shoulder
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: with an arm length, like he's just a big deal.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: And his play style like the physicality like he wants
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to jam you, he wants to get at you, like
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: he wants the physicality, he welcomes it.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I love the idea of him seeing a
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: path in the future as that overhang star big Nickel
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: kind of setup. So you know, I like that. And again,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: the one thing that does get away from me, especially
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: in the second half of these preseason games where it's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: hard to stay as locked in on all the normal
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: things I'm tracking, I do like to watch the snapcount
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: shout out such Baccio. He's always first on the scene
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: with those. So tomorrow morning I'll watch Seal send out
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: the snapcount. Look, and I'm gonna look and see, like, Hey,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: did the guys that I expected to rotate in in
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: the same number of drives after the starters? Did they
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: all look normal? Does Zamboy stand out to me, and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: then I am gonna look, you know, like I said,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: there was something too. You know, Dean Jones is playing
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: real late versus and playing early, Uleafotio playing late versus early.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Some of those things I'm gonna look at to see, like, hey,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: who else came in and who was playing later on?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: You know last week kend Williamson was playing pretty early
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: and he played much later in this game.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the starting safeties were cam Lewis and Rap and
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: then the second team was Kareem Jackson.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: And it was no, it's Delaney.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: No, it was why am I blanking? But it wasn't
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: with Williamson. I thought, damn it. Now I feel like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I gotta go back, so annoying myself right now?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Burgess, Williamson, Jackson, Delaney obviously, Bishops and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Edwards weren't playing. Hamlin didn't play. Did Edward did make
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Edwards play?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't Edwards. Maybe it was still
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: with cam Lewis, but it wasn't. I was like, okay,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: here come the second team safeties and it was Kareem
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Jackson and not Kendall Williamson.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I thought it was Burgess,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: but maybe maybe it.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Was Burgess but it wasn't Kendall Williamson if I.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and its interesting. Kendall Williamson was my Joe andreesing
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: guy last week in the sense of like, hey, why
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: is this guy? Like right early in the game was
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: a number that I was like, wait, why is this
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: guy in the game too early? Like we did with
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Andresen on the first snap, where it's like, oh, I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: didn't even realize this guy was playing. He's playing right now.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Williamson was that guy for me against the Bears. So
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: then this week it was noticeable to me that he
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't even like he was third string. It switched back
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: pretty significantly. So well to say, that's what I look
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: for a lot in some of these things, is who
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: played in what order and who played before the other
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: guys and that some of that stuff I got to
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: go back and look at after the game.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I am furious with myself that I can't freaking remember.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I just remember.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, Kareem Jackson with the twos,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, and maybe I'm just gonna
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: stop talking about it, but yeah, I like, I like
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: continue to see the corner depth then actual hold up,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: probably got super chat. I appreciate you, Carl for being
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: here consistently. You're one of the best supporters for the show,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: for the brand as a whole. Think of verym with
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: super chat. Carl says, good game for all three squads. Yes,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: we're gonna end with some positive stuff about special teams,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: and then Carl says, any word on MBS's neck. No,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: we have not heard anything other than.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Just I'm just doing a quick search right now.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see any I didn't se anything from
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Bill's pr any notes or anything. It was nice that
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: he walked off on his own and they were kind
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: of moving. Yes, he and I don't know if he
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: didn't look happy because it was something serious or he
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: was just pissed that he got hurt. In general, it's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: always hard to kind of read into it. Yes, but yeah,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: we we don't know as of this point, so hopefully
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: we'll get some stuff on that, or maybe Greg will
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: read something breaking as we kind of go.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just a quick search here under the initial terms.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: I don't see any update.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll get something in the coming days and
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: kind of see Oh, Marcus uh says he was he
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: walked off the field but was carded to the locker room.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Interesting, that could also just be protocol or safety precaution
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: because it's a neck injury. They might just want to limit.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: But I next see, and that goes back to earlier conversats.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Next stuff is so scary, Like I would have the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: hit that hurt Micah Hyde on that Monday night game
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: against Tennessee a couple of years ago that didn't look
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: like anything and it wrecked his neck and knocked him
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: out and changed just like it Just you never know
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: that stuff is. There's so much for delity when it
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: comes to Yeah, it's absolutely scary, but yeah, solid for
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: the Bill's corners in this game, it's nice. I I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: came into this into training camp very much like I
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: love Benford and Douglas. I'm worried about the rest of
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the corner depth on the outside because Kayer has been
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: shaky at times. I don't know what we're gonna get
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: with JaMarcus Ingram, and I think JaMarcus Ingram, you know,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: for me personally, has exceeded my expectations. Kyer has been
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: solid in games.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Like Hard was a Nickel only if not even a
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I even kind of had in my head, hey, is
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: he just a Taiwan Jones where like he's a running
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: back in name only, but he's not. I wondered, is
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: they wry even a corner It always exactly exactly, he's
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: absolutely a player.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Like Devin Hester used to be a cornerback when he
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: was first drafted. It's like, no, he's a returner. He's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: not playing any actual defense. And yeah, and the fact
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: that Hardy continues like to get some work in the stop,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: but the fact that he's working outside even though he
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: is a smaller guy. And tonight he had despite not
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: coming up with those picks, he had a couple of
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: really nice plays on the ball, like good driving on it,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: good vision, good feet. One that I rewound the broadcast
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure it was towards the bottom of
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: the screen. Steelers are going from right to left and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: hits cover three and he lets the vertical route go
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to the safety and he picks up the inside corner
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: route and drives on it and makes a play on
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: the ball and helps force the incompletion. Like he's Jesus
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: continues to play well, which is nice to see like
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: you can never have too many corners, like corner and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: offensive line guys are always gonna get banged up. You
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: need to be able to roll dudes out there. Anything
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: else on the corners or anything on the safeties, I
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: thought the safeties were pretty uneventful, like everything that did,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: just especially against how the Steelers passed the ball and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: then anytime they ran the ball Andresen was making the tackle,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: so it didn't even get to the safeties. That's kind
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: of half joking but also kind of half serious. Anything
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: on the safeties or any other corners for you.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: No, No, I thought that was it. I thought that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: was it cool.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Some small special teams notes. Sam Martin looked really good tonight,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: really good punts booming the ball, which is nice to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: see because he was not consistent last week. And fifty
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: two point eight crazy very good, and I'll I'll even
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: take some less, just be consistent, like I don't want
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: to see the booms and then the Shanks just give me,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: give me like on a scale of one to ten,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: just give me six point five and seven punts all
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: the time. I don't need the nines if they're also
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: going to come with like a two or three, and
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: he had some really good punts to night and to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: your pointer. Like we talked about, the coverage was really good.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: JaMarcus Ingram made a really good play, Javon Solomon made
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: a really good play. Kingsley Jonathan popped the hell out
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: of somebody I don't remember who was a punt or
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: a kick return. We got good special teams coverage in
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: addition to the kicking game in general, and then we
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: got some field goals that were made tonight. I thought
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: special teams were a little more buttoned up, as I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: think the whole team was, especially in juxtaposition with how
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: they were last week, which was just undisciplined and sloppy
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: as a whole.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't look at the total penalty count this game.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: It felt like less, what do we have here? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: So we went from like eleven, came down a little bit.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: There was some more procedural ones later on, but came
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: back the right direction and the I like, nothing happened
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: to Tyler Bass. He didn't get bad at kicking. It's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: sadly it's like golf of you. We saw a chuck
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: naw Black, We've seen a basic kanking. Yes, the yips
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: are real. So the for me, all that matters right
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: now is rebuilding confidence. And Tyler Bass is five for five.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: He's made us for five kicks. None of them have
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  Speaker 2: been that long or impressive. That's it. One was like
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: a forty eight fifty yarders, one was very legit. Tonight
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  Speaker 2: was like twenty six, twenty seven, and thirty one. But
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: they all went through the uprights. And him seeing the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: ball go through that, we know he's capable of being
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  Speaker 2: a really good kicker. All of us are anxious and nervous,
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  Speaker 2: and all of us are going to you know, be
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: very very anxious in a critical game, you know, end
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  Speaker 2: of game scenario where it really really matters. But right
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  Speaker 2: now to get to that point, he's just got to
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  Speaker 2: make kicks, and he's making kicks. He's made his first
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  Speaker 2: five in a row. It's five for five. That's all
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: we can ask. Like, he's not missing. I even was
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: white like today, we're clean too, Like it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was not like squeakers. They were all like nicely made
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  Speaker 2: down the middle. Good kicks. Those are important for him
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: to see. Those are important for him to visualize because
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  Speaker 2: it rebuilds his confidence. I want to see the swag
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  Speaker 2: one black EyeBlack kicker back out here. That's half the
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: battle is just him getting that back in his head
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  Speaker 2: and him watching every kit go through the uprights matters,
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  Speaker 2: even if they're they're easy ones. He's supposed to make it.
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  Speaker 2: But we need to build back to that. And this
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  Speaker 2: is going down that path.
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  Speaker 1: I don't yeah, I don't care if they're gimmes and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: everybody else got like a ninety seven percent success rate
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  Speaker 1: of going in. I don't care. I want to see
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  Speaker 1: him make the kick. I want him to feel that
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  Speaker 1: feeling and know, just like cool, he can make it.
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  Speaker 1: He can hit his helmet on his holder's helmet and
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: be like sweet and dap everybody up and he goes
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: back to the sideline confident like that's perfect. Like and
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  Speaker 1: I was even part of me when they had like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: fourth and short down there. I was like, go for it,
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  Speaker 1: and then I was like, you know what, No, let
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Bass kick so he can build confidence because I don't
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: care if they win this game or not, Like, let's
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: continue to build confidence for Tyler Bass because come live, bullets,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: it'll matter. Like we saw in the playoff last year
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: against Kansas City Chiefs. Anything else special teams, coaches, anything
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: and everything potentially on your mind. I want to speak
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: on before we wrap up here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still mad at all the coaches that they won't
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: let me see what the real dynamic kick is going
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: to look like, to just keep doing the vanilla stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I know this isn't what it's really going to
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: be like, but like, just show me something, like, show
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: me some of the stuff. It could be fun. Let
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: us have fun. I want to see the fun. So
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: I am very excited for Week one. I'm very excited
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: to see the real kick returns across the league, all
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: the different teams. I'm super excited to see it. I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: just wish it would happen right now. I want it now.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Devin Hester is one of my favorite players of all time,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: and so I am. And I loved Dante Hall when
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: he was with the Chiefs doing the human joystick things.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm a big fan of good return play. I'm
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: probably way more excited than most or I even should
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: be for the new kickoff dynamics, and I just want
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: to see it matter again and I want to see
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff and reverses, and I want to
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: see the blocking unit basically running like trap and power
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: as if they're an offensive line, even though they're not.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Like I want, I just want to see stunts from
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: the coverage unit. I'm excited for how that kind of
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: plays out. Any parting thoughts on this game going forward,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: anything at all.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously the biggest thing with these games is health.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: We did not leave flawless. I think some guys we
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: got to check on. It doesn't seem like we had
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: any out of mvs that's the close to the most
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: significant and any like primary starters doesn't seem like anything
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: that direction, and I don't expect those guys to play
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: in the third preseason game. So I think we've now
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: survived preseason reasonably healthy. We'll see some of these other
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: guys where they're at, you know, when Bishop and Edwards
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: make their way back. How MBS is, things like Javon
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Solomon and those kind of pieces. But I feel good
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: that way, and tonight should have been a little bit
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: of a reassurance about where it is. Yes, the markets
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: talking about I want to see pull, I don't give it.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to see so much cool stuff when this
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: happens for real. It's going to be great. I can't wait.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: But we should feel good. We should feel good going
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: into the season because you know, I know, you haven't
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: got to see him much of this preseason, but you
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: guys get to root for Josh Allen and that's fun.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to rooting for Josh Allen and
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: watching Josh Allen play football. And I'm not gonna ever
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: take it for granted. That's awesome. We get to root
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: for my you know who. I feel very very comfortably.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is amazing. The Chiefs fans are very very lucky.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: I have no problem saying Josh Allen is the most
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: fun player to root for in the NFL. His style
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: of play, his personality, his capabilities, the way that he
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: puts himself and his body out there on the line
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: for his team, the way that he plays for his
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: city and is a representative of his city. He is
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: the most fun player to root for in the NFL.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: And that guy's on our team. That's awesome. I use
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: this analogy all the time. My neighbor across the street
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: is an eleven year old boy born and raised in Cleveland.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: His parents are born and raised in Cleveland. His parents
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: are Browns, fans. My neighbor Brady is a Bills fan
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: and had and has a Josh Allen jersey and his
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: dad I helped him get tickets to the preseason game
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: next week because he wants to go watch the Bills play.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: That didn't happen my whole life. My whole life like
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: that didn't end. Now that happens because Josh Allen is
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: kid's favorite player because he's awesome and it's really fun
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: and we get to root for him, and I'm not
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: going to take it for granted.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Well said. My big moment for that with realizing things
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: was when like fantasy leagues that I was in with
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: non Buffalo people were taking Bills players like early when
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: it was like especially when like when Diggs and Allen
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: were blown up, and like Diggs was being taken in
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: the first and Alan was being taken in the second,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, or like I
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: would see the the group chats and the messages of
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: being like yo, like what do you want for Josh
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Allen and the trade attempts and this and that, and
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, and these are like non
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Buffalo people, A lot of them are for like my
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: boys and that from New York City who like hate
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: the Bills and think the Bills are a joke of
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: a franchise. But yeah, they wanted a piece of Josh Allen,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: like they wanted a piece of those Bills teams. And
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's changed, like I've never I've
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: never felt this way before. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's good to see another week towards real football,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: towards Josh Allen and the starters potentially. Yeah, we're running
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: some things there. We got one more preseason game to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: go and then some time off and then the regular
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: season opener against the Arizona Cardinals, who I just want
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: to say now, don't sleep on the Cardinals. They're way
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: more fun than they get credit for, and they got
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: some personnel groupings offensively that could do some damage. So
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see that opening game for the schematic
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: chess match of it between Bills and Cardinals, but just
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: see some real Bills football in general. Next week Bill's Panthers,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: we'll see how much the starters play. If not, we'll
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: continue to see these depth battles between the corners and
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the offensive linemen and the receivers and see what kind
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: of movement and shape and avas even the running back position,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: although it does seem kind of set to a degree,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: get another opportunity to see, you know, Frank or Junior
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: and Evans and these guys who have been kind of
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: balling out a little bit and tight end room as well.
• 1:38:10
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