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AI didn't take your job. It froze the hiring line. Here's what that means. · AI for Founders with Ryan Estes

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The jobs report buried the real headline. the United States lost
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jobs in 2025 outside of healthcare.
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AI isn't coming for your job. It already froze the hiring
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line. Founders are building entire
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companies with 0 engineers. They're launching 3 websites an
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hour and replacing 6 figure CRM bills with a single quad code
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session. Meanwhile, college students
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don't even see it coming. 500 college kids recently in a
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finance class had never heard the words vibe coding.
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Not one. Well, maybe just one.
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The founders who get this aren't just moving faster, they're the
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only one still moving. So here's the question that
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should keep you up tonight. If your entire business model
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depends on skills that AI just monetized, what's the one thing
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about you that the language model will never be able to
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fake? Welcome to AI for founders.
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I'm Ryan Estes in this conversation with Colin
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Macintosh, founder of Sheets and Giggles and Sheets, resume.com
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is going to completely reframe how you think about building in
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Paul and McIntosh. Welcome to the show I.
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Better be here. Yeah, man, I love your shirt and
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I, I, I just want to let the audience know that Colin and I
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have been friends maybe 10 years and before the.
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Years. I think so.
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No. Oh, my God.
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No. Well, I guess that makes sense.
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I mean, I moved to Colorado in 2015 and and probably would have
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met you in 2016 or 17. Yeah.
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Pretty close to it. I remember the first time I
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interviewed you, you had just done like some you you got the
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the first bit of funding for S&G.
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Yeah, yes, it's probably 2018. So it was 8 years.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I did.
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It's just shocking to me that I've been on that journey for
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almost a decade now. It's crazy, Yeah.
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Totally. And and before we go too far, I
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want to make sure I give you your flowers properly because
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Colin is one of those guys. I so I know him eight years.
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We kind of connected really quick because I'm into what
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you're doing and I like the way you do it.
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You're a conscientious person. You take it seriously, you take
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it to heart. And, you know, in those years,
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there's been a couple of times where if I need validation on
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something I'm working on, you know, if I have an idea, it's
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percolating, I'm like, OK, I'm going to bring this to Colin to
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see what's up because you'll give me an honest take.
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And, you know, every time that I brought something to you, you
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give me an honest take, which I appreciate.
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But you also give me just a blast of enthusiasm,
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encouragement and support. And I think for any founders out
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there, they really need some people like that in their corner
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that'll shoot you straight. But whatever.
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It follows that opinion is always going to be like, yeah,
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man, go get it. Go get it like that
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encouragement. And, you know, so early on in a
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couple ideas, it was absolutely instrumental.
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So I just wanted to say thank you.
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Young thing and I, I appreciate it.
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I always love it when people bring me ideas.
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I, I probably have, I don't know, a few dozen friends that
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that are similar, you know, vibe back and forth like that.
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And, and I think actually, it's funny, you really get a
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following the old adage of like, if you want money, ask for
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advice. If you want advice, ask for
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money because I'm pretty sure when you came to me with the
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idea for Kit Caster, I was like, that's a great idea.
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I really like the idea. Could I be a client?
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And I and I think I was like your first or second client or
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something like that. So yeah, yeah, it's totally.
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I mean, you know, sometimes are good ideas.
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It it was a storied day. That was the day where I was
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getting serious about the idea. And I, Brandy and I are going
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back and forth. I'm like, dude, I think there's
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some here because I want this, you know, Well, I, I made a
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call. I made I think 3 calls in a row.
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You were one of them. You said you were in and bought
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in and two other people were like, dude, I'll do it.
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I'll pay you right now. And I was like.
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You got, you got your, you got your first three clients right
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there. That was it.
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That was it, you know, for, for me, you know, like validation
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for idea, you know, I want, you got to have the friendlies #1
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you know, and you're friendly enough that if you're like,
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that's cool, but it's not for me, OK, That's, that's great.
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But then I, I've got other folks.
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And these are the folks I went to first because there's some
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people you got that's like, dude, whatever you're doing, I'm
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in. And it's like, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, no. That's not.
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What I want, Yeah, Yeah, that's not what I want.
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Yeah, Yeah. No.
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If you tell me a bad idea, I'm going to tell you it's a bad
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idea. But.
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But I'll tell it to you. Generally, in a sense, I'm like,
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oh, have you, have you thought about this?
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Have you thought about this? Like the sort of thing, but.
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Yeah, you got the friendlies in the crew that you can be like,
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hey man, your experience? Is there something here?
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They say yes, okay, it passes that first sniff test for me.
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The second sniff test then is, are you getting referrals from
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that first cohort to other people?
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They're like, dude, this is amazing, going to try boom.
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Then you get that, Then you start working on cold outbound
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and once you have cold outbound, that's converting and closing.
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It's like, OK, now we got the next round of validation, which
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is just like, is this the right thing for me right now, you
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know? You got to you got to start a,
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you got to start AB to B out outsource sales company because
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you got a good a good process there.
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It's. Going to be well, man, it's,
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it's done me well, but it and you know, you, maybe you can
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relate to this, you know, as a founder, it's like lots ideas
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are always popping and if I'm not careful, man, I'm going to
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go in like a firework in 10,000 directions at one time.
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Well, now with Claude, you don't have to be careful.
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I launched, I launched 3 websites last week.
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You know, like all you need is ADHD and, and a wife who
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understands that you want to stay up until 2:00 AM.
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That's your your favorite Kava bar doing some some Claude vibe
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coding. So yeah.
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It's vast. Can you?
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Are you comfortable talking about what you were working on?
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No. Well, so yeah, it launched a
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cool. The only thing that's like I
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launched a website for my mom and my sister and acupuncture
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website for them. They've been in business for 25
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years and never had a website. Now they have a beautiful 5 page
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SEO optimized, like, you know, terrific website.
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Same with my dad. He's an expert witness and
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insurance bad face litigation then made him an awesome website
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and you know, he's 42 year trial attorney so he doesn't really
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need a website, but you know, now he's got one.
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And then I made a cool job comparison calculator, A versus
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B versus c.com and that's really cool.
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A versus B versus c.com. And that is basically if you
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have multiple job offers as a candidate and you got salary
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equity, different vesting schedules, cliffs, like, you
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know, different dilution expectations, all those
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different things. Now you can put in all the
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different variables and it'll spit out like which one has the
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highest present cash value, which one has the highest
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upside, which one's the riskiest.
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So that was an idea I've had for a while that I really liked.
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And then I've got man, I've got probably 60 domains that are
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active that are all really good ideas.
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Really good ideas is a strong word.
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Some of them are like giraffe craft.com, which would be crafts
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in the shape of giraffes like ham like.
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So no, not all them are good ideas, but they're, but they all
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rhyme, you know, or at least they have some type of pun.
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And so I will probably launch this year at least three or four
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more like hopefully revenue generating websites.
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And it's really now I'm shocked to see this marketing has become
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the non commoditized skill for software companies.
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And obviously like the complexity of the software
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matters. Are you building a deterministic
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AI, you know, platform that and just a ton of different data
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points and spits out actionable inside, you know, like that.
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I can't just like vibe code something like that.
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But like, you know, some ideas I have that I can rise in the
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rankings for SEO for that could generate revenue tomorrow that I
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could do some consumer marketing for.
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Yeah. I mean, those can go live in a
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week. So it's pretty crazy.
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Cool, same. I, I'm spinning up a bunch of
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stuff. Nothing I, I'm going to deploy a
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new product next week, which I'm pretty excited about.
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I'm not going to talk about it yet, but one thing I built last
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week, which was kind of cool was, you know, on the podcast in
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newsletters, I'm doing promotions and giveaways and,
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you know, kind of things like that.
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So I, I got a, I created like a wheel where the last promotion I
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did, there was 67 people that submitted for inclusion in the
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giveaway. And so I can just copy paste
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their emails in it. It anonymizes it, it puts it on
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a wheel and then you can spin the wheel and then it basically
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determines the winner with some like cool animations.
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Fun that's great yeah and it's a great it's a great way to like
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to do that every you know that's that's actually really clever
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it's much more fun than just like pulling a name out of a
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hat. I I also built, I forgot about
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this one. This one, I'm actually really
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proud of readynda.com. I haven't done any marketing for
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it yet, but it's ready nda.com and it's basically a mutual NDA
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service for startups and small businesses.
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So you know, one of the things that drove me fucking crazy
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about being a founder and ACEO is then your information gets
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the zoom info and you know, you get 400 sales emails a day.
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Somebody's selling you this software, that software.
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And occasionally you do read them and you're like, you know
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what? I actually would like to talk to
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you about your software. That seems interesting.
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That seems like something that would be helpful to me.
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And every time these sales guys would slow down the pitch for me
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to sign an NDA with them. And it drove me crazy because I
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just want to see the demo. I just want to see the deck.
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And they're like, great. Before we get started, here's
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APDF attachment that you're going to have to read and send
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to your attorneys to make sure that we didn't slip anything in
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here. Sign return and then we'll
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counter sign a return. And my attorneys always wanted
10:41
me to change sub clause 35B and, you know, ask them if they're
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comfortable with this language or that language because he
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wants to justify the hour that he's going to build me.
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And then their attorneys are going to come back and say,
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yeah, we can live with this. We can't live with that because
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they want to justify the hour they're going to bill them.
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And now you've wasted two weeks going back and forth on the red
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line of a fucking NDA that like no one's ever, it's just for a
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demo. And so I made readynda.com for
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one click mutual non disclosure agreements.
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He gets 3 free ones every month. If you're just the founder or
11:15
small business owner that signs a handful of NDA's and you can
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sign it once and you can never have to review it again because
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it never changes, It's a starter NDA.
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founders.co. Now back to the I love it and I
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love where I'm finding you right now, which you are going hard.
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Now. One thing you said, you said
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marketing is, is the only thing that's not commoditized.
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I want to come back to that in one second.
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I just want to provide a little bit of framework for the
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audience to kind of understand where you're at.
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So Colin is the mastermind behind an amazing betting
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company called Sheets and Giggles, which he has since
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exited. And in that time, the next new
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project is Sheets resume.com, which is it?
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It has the number one search position for a couple of terms.
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And this is basically we can get a template to to make your best
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resume, which will be very important here in the next
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coming months. Is everyone's going to be out of
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a job? So, so I want to go back to that
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marketing comment you made, but also just kind of like as you're
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thinking about building and creating new products, you're a
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guy who's done retail, which is what Elon's calling things with
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Atoms, which appears to have a bit of a Moat behind it right
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now as we're looking at the other thing, which is digital
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products and software, which appears to be rapidly going to
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0. Yes.
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I would love to hear how you're starting to think about like
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building tools, creating a new project where where to invest
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time and maybe just you can lead with that statement you made
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about marketing. Yeah, it's really fascinating.
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So I, I think what I mean by by marketing mean the non
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commoditized skill is that there's still work to do to get
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discovered. So like whether you're going to
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get discovered by starting a podcast in a newsletter, or
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you're going to get discovered by doing a lot of really good
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SEO work and writing human written content that the search
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engines reward and that the AI overviews reward.
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Or if you're going to build a brand that makes people excited
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or have wonderful customer service or like understand your
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user experience on a really deep level from an emphatic
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perspective for your user. Those are all things that are
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like still not commoditized because you can build your own
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Salesforce CRM custom for your company, like to an hour on
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Claude right. And in fact, I will probably do
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that after this call. I will build my own, but that's
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a good idea. I will go build my own CRM for
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my B to B leads for sheets resume.com.
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We have like libraries, you know, homeless shelters, like
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other other job clinics, universities using it for their
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their students and that sort of thing.
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So I'm going to go build this this B to BCRM, right?
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But The thing is that I want other people to go use it.
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I still have to be a top 8 results on Google for them to
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find me. And I still have to get into
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that AI overview and I still have to get a voted post on
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Reddit and I still have to get social media impressions or
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views on my videos. So there there is like a non
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obvious part of marketing that I think is actually really hard
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for people. And I see a ton of people with
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great business ideas or great companies or great software that
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never get a single user because they don't know how to get that
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discoverability. And like you alluded to, Sheets,
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resume.com is the poorly named again, I that's nostalgic for
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me. It means nothing to our users.
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I get emails every day from people that are like, what?
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Why is it called this? And I'm like, don't worry about
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it, just use the resume builder. But it's number one for AI
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resume builder on Google, it's, it's like #4 for resume
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template, if you search best resume templates, literally my
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resume that I've been using for well over a decade personally
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now is, is my to my template. It is now the number one
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recommended result on Google Gemini if you search for best
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resume templates. And so it's, you know, that
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stuff is like it's hard and people will ask me how would you
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do that? And I'll explain it to them and
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they still it will be hard to replicate.
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So that's what I mean by that is like you can build the software,
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you can build the CRM tomorrow, you can use it doesn't mean
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anyone else you're ever going to find it.
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Yeah, it's interesting, you know, because there's people
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that have vibe coded a content system where they're pumping out
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five blog posts a day and they're just pushing content
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like crazy. But when it I spoke to you about
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your. Content strategy you've.
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Handwritten all of the posts. And every word.
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Every. Word inside every word.
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It's kind of encouraging and frustrating.
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It's encouraging to see that like, actually, talent still
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wins. It's frustrating for those of us
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who don't have that talent. You got funnier talent, dude,
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you're cracking me up because like I think you've built bigger
17:07
things than than I have, but the the what I realized, and maybe
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he'll put this to be inspiring for some people who don't like
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the AI generated content is that for like 90% of people and makes
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them a better writer. Like it does like it just like
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keep writing. Writing is fucking hard.
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It's why every Hollywood movie sucks right, is because the
17:30
hardest part is writing and you and you're watching this movie
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and you're banging your head against the wall.
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Like could they not find anyone to make this script actually
17:40
make sense? And the answer is no, they
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couldn't because there's like like 8 good writers in Hollywood
17:45
where I played golf with one of them the other week.
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Actually, Connor McIntyre, he wrote Animals coming out later
17:49
this year with Ben Affleck. Take a look at it.
17:52
Yeah, Connor. But yeah, so all I'm saying is
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like, writing is really hard. And for me, I do think of myself
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as in that top 10% of writers. I think I could write for
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Seinfeld. Obviously, I have a lot of
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experience writing comedically with sheets and giggles over the
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years, you know, and in writing to consumers and consumer facing
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copy and like empathizing with how people are reading it.
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And I've really, really found that especially the AI overviews
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love fresh, unique, well written human content.
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So you cannot be saying something that's been said a
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million times before. You cannot be saying something
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that is poorly written. You can't be saying something
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that's not thoughtful. And you certainly can't be using
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AI to pump out content because by definition, everything an AI
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writes will have been said before.
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And so you cannot get fresh content from an AILLM writer.
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Just can't do it. Now you can get content for if
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you want to do social media post scheduling or you know, you want
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to do, you know, maybe some good like advertising campaign ideas
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or white board or outline or, you know, feel like, you know,
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my, my mom and my sister's acupuncture website.
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It's a great example. They don't need the website
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doesn't need me to write every single word about acupuncture on
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that site because I'm not an expert and the AI is going to do
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it better than me. But for what I know in my domain
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expertise in resume writing and in job searches and in hiring, I
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would be crazy not to transition that expertise into content and
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copy on the site and have that rise to the top.
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Yeah, yeah. Like I said, it's encouraging
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and also discouraging. Is that the domain expertise?
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Just have a domain expertise. That's that's the that's
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actually the coolest thing is that I was listening to this
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podcast with with Bill Burley from the summer.
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You might have heard on the Tim Ferriss show.
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And now we're a podcast about a podcast, right.
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It's very, very, very yeah. But I listened to this and I was
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like very inspired because he said he vocalized something that
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I've been feeling, which is like, if you.
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Are your 30s or 40s or 50s or whatever and you've built this
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expertise over 1020, thirty years in a particular space.
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Well, now you can actually have this AI software enablement of
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you taking that expertise and bring it out into the world.
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It doesn't mean that you can tell that.
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Tell the AI, say write about my area of expertise for me, that
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would be lazy. That's the part that that you
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should do. But what the AI can do is build
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the site, build different pages, get it published, get it online,
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make it SEO optimized and give you something really polished to
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put out there for people. Yeah, I, I'm very, very
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interested in that, largely because you, you're right.
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Like if you're, if you're serious about your craft, you
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have certain domain expertise and that's irreplaceable.
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It is a siloed data source. And it's it's weird to think
21:00
about your your brain as unstructured, siloed data, but.
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That's true. You sound, you're sounding like
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Altman now. It's like you.
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It requires a lot of a lot of energy to see that brain, you
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know, very normal human conversations.
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Super normal, yeah, but but it's true, you know, and, and to your
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point, it's like the, the, the medium, they always said the
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medium is the message, which is interesting because we're going
21:24
towards and then perhaps the vibe coding movement is really
21:27
the the medium and the message. But now it seems like there
21:30
might be a a purity of the message that you're going to be
21:33
able to distribute through multiple channels and whatever's
21:36
comfortable for you. If it is writing videos, if it's
21:40
courses, you know, a way to kind of capitalize on a careers worth
21:44
of information. I had a great call with a a
21:47
gentleman who's been teaching machine learning and AI for 40
21:52
years at the college level. And he created basically a, a
21:56
self hosted LLM that he could use for himself because he had
22:00
notes and he had PDFs and he had files.
22:03
He had all the stuff from his career that basically then he,
22:06
he uploaded and then he could ask it questions and then figure
22:09
out ways to monetize. He ended up, you know, releasing
22:11
that product itself as a product.
22:14
But you know, it's, it's, it's fascinating, right?
22:16
Because like it, it becomes well put it like this, you know, all
22:21
the LLMS and these, you know, big AI companies really is just
22:25
kind of infrastructure and what the small business will be in
22:29
the next chapter are basic is the application layer of
22:32
people's personal siloed unstructured data.
22:35
You know, you become your own small business, which there are
22:38
models. That's interesting.
22:41
Yeah. And you're and you're kind of
22:42
making me think about something with the medium is the message
22:45
thing for a second ago. I think that the medium is still
22:49
the message. But in my case, and I think in
22:53
other people's cases who are going to be successful with
22:57
presenting AI products to the public, I think the medium is
23:03
actually the human, like the person, the face behind the
23:08
service. Like in a world where like, you
23:13
know, I'm sure there's ways to tell that I'm real versus not.
23:16
I don't know, maybe like I hope fucking I hope so.
23:21
But wow, I just had a really scary realization about that.
23:25
You know, it's probably like the ADHD conversation elements that
23:28
it will be really hard to mimic for for an AI, like jumping from
23:32
thought to thought without without consideration.
23:35
But I think that like the reason why Sheets resume has been
23:39
successful is because I talk to people directly as Colin and I'm
23:46
like, hey, I'm Colin. Here's my LinkedIn.
23:49
I am an executive recruiter as my day job.
23:52
I used to be a recruiter back in the day.
23:53
I've hired lots of people. I've seen thousands of resumes.
23:57
I've helped millions of people with their resume.
24:00
Not one word on this website is AI generated.
24:02
I do not care if you use it. I only care if you get a good
24:07
job and if you help your family. And so if you can't afford it,
24:10
please e-mail me. I will give it to you for free.
24:13
Like I'm not trying to take your money here on a job hunt.
24:16
I'm just trying to help you. And like why do we only have one
24:20
resume template on the site? Because I know what fucking
24:23
works and it's this and I'm not trying to sell you a pair of
24:26
sneakers. I'm not going to give you 2
24:28
columns or 4 columns. Headshot, objective summary.
24:31
Do you want doodles, Icons. Graphic stars like, no, this
24:36
works. I have a philosophy that I can
24:38
articulate here on the site for you to judge if it works and you
24:42
can use it if you agree with the philosophy.
24:43
And if you don't agree, don't use it and go to somebody else's
24:46
website. But they're going to sell you
24:48
sneakers. They're going to sell you 100
24:50
different templates. They don't care what you choose.
24:52
They don't care if you get a job.
24:53
They don't care if you get more interviews, they're just going
24:55
to try to sell you something. And so that has been really, and
24:58
my conversion would absolutely go up if I had more than one
25:01
template on the site to choose from.
25:03
But like, but but you know, that's not what that's not what
25:06
I'm doing it for. And I think that that trust
25:08
brokering of that like 1 to 1 human relationship is now the
25:15
medium like for the message, because otherwise I I go online,
25:20
I go on on threads dot Twitter, I go on threads or I go on
25:24
Instagram or I go on like all, you know, whatever.
25:27
And I'm just like, I have no idea if the person posting this
25:30
is real, No idea. And and and on Reddit, like are
25:35
the comments bot forms if it's an important topic prop or, or a
25:40
capitalized bras, a product like probably right?
25:46
So I'm like really freaked out by like my own inability to tell
25:50
what's real and what's not. So if you can be very real with
25:54
people, I think that you can win in this environment.
25:57
Yeah, well, to that point I've seen tools, Reddit tools.
26:02
Reddit's cooked, man. If there's any recommendation,
26:05
it's all, it's all bots. It's all bots that are mining
26:09
for karma. And then when they have the
26:11
right keyword, then they're making very subtle, very human
26:15
recommendations, misspelling words intentionally.
26:18
Reddit's cooked. It's over, you know.
26:21
That's so I love, I love the Reddit for Reddit was like my
26:24
thing for like so long because yeah, I love, I love writing.
26:27
I love reading. And it was like the last medium
26:30
where like, copy was important, like what you said, you know, in
26:34
the written word. And now it's all video.
26:36
It's all video everywhere else. You run, you see the post, and
26:39
you'd run to that first comment, 'cause you, you, yeah.
26:42
And you just have in your head all this is what it would be.
26:44
And there it is. Yeah, there it is.
26:46
Yeah, No, I, I definitely see that now with the with the
26:50
comments on some very popular articles then like this is all
26:53
Astroturf, like this is all like, but I just don't think
26:57
people are discerning enough to maybe not discerning out.
27:00
Discerning is the wrong word. It's not something that we
27:02
should be good at to identify. You know what I mean?
27:06
There's no reason why my brain should be able to identify if
27:09
something is written by a human or not because never in the
27:13
history of the world has any other creature or being been
27:18
able to write other than humans. So if you see writing, it was
27:22
done by a human and and we're all on training ourselves after
27:27
how many hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and at
27:30
least 5000 years of writing, like, you know, probably a lot
27:36
more burn, hopefully dig up a lot more stuff.
27:39
But like, you know, at least 5000 years since summer and a
27:41
cod. And so yeah, it's going to be
27:45
fascinating. By the way, totally ADHD note,
27:48
did you know they found a tablet recently that had the Noah's ark
27:53
flood myth from 1000 years before the book of Genesis was
27:57
written? Really.
27:59
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
28:00
It's in the British Natural History Museum now.
28:02
It's crazy. It has the, it was in, it was in
28:07
Babylonian, written in cuneiform, and it was.
28:10
So it's a, it's a Babylonian uniform, you know, mess that
28:15
originates there. And then when the Jewish people
28:19
were writing the first books of the Bible, they were probably in
28:23
exile and Babylon hearing these origin stories borrowed from
28:27
them. And I mean, the similarities are
28:30
are striking. So you can look it up.
28:32
It's like the Noah's ark, Babylonian tablet.
28:35
Give it a give it a look. It's pretty, pretty sick.
28:37
I love that. Well, it's like the the Dead Sea
28:39
Scrolls. Like what's interesting is like
28:41
how close it is to the version that's in the King James Bible.
28:45
It's like, you know, a lot of people will Pooh Pooh the fact
28:48
that things get passed down verbally for 1000 years.
28:53
But I mean, people remember. Yeah, yeah.
28:57
You got people next to me like, no, that's not how it goes.
28:59
You messed up the beginning. Cool.
29:04
Yeah, well, sorry about the tangent.
29:05
I just found it fascinating. Right.
29:06
It's on the writing piece, Graham.
29:08
Hancock, it all weaves in, you know.
29:10
What I mean love, like, yeah, I I've got that.
29:12
He's my guilty pleasure. Although sometimes I listen to
29:15
heaven. I'm like, Oh my God, Graham,
29:16
just like, just accept that there's no evidence for this.
29:19
Like, it's cool. It's cool.
29:20
You know what I mean? Like, it's a cool theory.
29:21
I love it. It's I love it.
29:22
I love the idea but but yeah, he's a good.
29:26
He's an interesting character. Graham is Tarzan through the
29:29
jungle, going vine divine, and sometimes he's really stretching
29:33
for that last vine. Really stretching for that last
29:35
vine. Yeah, yeah.
29:36
I enjoy, I enjoy the, the Flint dibble corrections as well.
29:39
It's always, it's always fun to hear a good push back.
29:42
My, my wife is also like an archaeologist by trade.
29:46
And so, you know, we get to listen to that stuff.
29:48
So we always find it fascinating.
29:50
But, you know, we, we, we like evidence as well.
29:53
So you, you have a very interesting seat, millions of
29:58
resumes coming through the, the, the word on the street is that
30:02
AI is coming for everybody's jobs and there's going to be a
30:05
massive wave of instability. Are you seeing particular
30:09
segments of resumes particularly affected right now?
30:13
Are you seeing evidence that? Because if you look at the jobs
30:16
reports, jobs are strong. No one's what's.
30:19
Which jobs reports? Depends on who you're asking.
30:23
Yeah. But then you have like Jack
30:25
Dorsey just laid off 60% of his company and you have like really
30:30
starting like, I mean, right now, like people are starting to
30:32
be like, OK, but is AIA scapegoat for underperforming
30:37
companies that they want to be like, oh, we can automate it to
30:40
for their shareholders as opposed to being like, oh, I
30:42
made some strategic horrible decisions by buying Bitcoin at
30:46
its peak and. So I'm finished the thought.
30:50
I just can't hear you think it's maybe it's a, it's a it's an
30:53
excuse for these guys. So I will tell you what it what
30:58
it is. So First off, the jobs report
31:00
for 2025 that I'm just going to call you the, the government
31:04
numbers, which you know, are from the government, but says
31:08
everything is great. the United States lost jobs in 2025 outside
31:14
of the healthcare market. The healthcare market accounted
31:16
for like 90% of job creation. And the reason is because we
31:20
have this massively aging baby boomer population that is, you
31:24
know, going to need more and more healthcare.
31:27
Healthcare is an ever growing market and it's ever growing
31:29
around the world. It will always be hiring more
31:31
bodies and it's a physical job as well.
31:33
You need bodies, but other than healthcare, the United States
31:39
lost jobs for the first time in a long time in 2025.
31:43
And in fact, I think the average number of jobs created in 2025
31:49
was I think 7000 net a month. When you add it all up, on
31:55
average, the January numbers are going to get the revised
31:58
downward. I mean, they get revised
31:59
downward every single time. But I think even with the
32:03
January numbers, the 1st 12 months of the new Trump
32:06
administration, you have an average of, I think 90, no,
32:13
sorry, 80 or 90% of fewer jobs than in 2024 on average. 2024, I
32:19
think was 149,000 jobs added on average each month.
32:23
So there's something really deep happening here.
32:28
And I think that AI is a component of it.
32:30
But I like to kind of go down the line with multiple reasons
32:34
because I'm not, I'm not really like a singular reason guy, but
32:38
I think there is there is one big reason.
32:42
But going on the line, there is the AI piece, which I think is
32:46
more manifesting in a payroll freeze than in layoffs.
32:50
I don't think that AI is in the point where people are like
32:53
replacing workers in droves. But I think they are stopping
32:57
new payroll commitments because at least in some industries,
33:01
because they're waiting to see what they can do with AI.
33:05
Layered on top of that, you have a massive amount of geopolitical
33:10
uncertainty, obviously. I mean, we're talking after a
33:12
weekend in which a new war was launched and that causes a ton
33:16
of uncertainty and people don't want to commit the new payroll.
33:20
On top of that, you have these tariffs that have been on again,
33:24
off again, paused on, paused. Illegal, not illegal.
33:27
Doubling down 10 percent, 15 It is really hard to do business
33:31
planning in retail, which is seven, $8 trillion worth of the
33:37
US economy is in retail. It's really, really hard for a
33:42
full quarter of the US economy to plan around cash flow
33:47
inventory. And so there's a huge amount of
33:50
pause on cash commitments to personnel and the retail
33:54
industry. On top of that, tourism is down,
33:57
I think in the United States by 40% from Canada, Europe and a
34:01
few other major markets. And so you've got a drop in and,
34:06
and though that that hits certain places really, really
34:08
hard versus other places. So you kind of got this like,
34:12
and then of course, 300,000 government employees chucked
34:15
into the private market all at once, which floods the zone on
34:20
private jobless things, which makes it harder for recruiters
34:22
to find the people that they're looking for and makes it more
34:25
competitive in the private labor market.
34:26
So you've got kind of all of these different reasons creating
34:30
this cocktail of really anemic jobs market.
34:35
And I'm seeing people with sheets resume who have been
34:39
jobless for six months, 12 months, 18 months.
34:44
And the but the people really are that are suffering are the
34:47
ones that have been laid off in 2025.
34:49
They can't find a job anywhere. And I'm hearing, you know, I can
34:53
go on and on about the reasons I heard it from a woman who got
34:56
laid off from her job as a registered nurse at Planned
34:58
Parenthood. Not to get overtly political.
35:00
I apologize for the show. But she got laid off from her
35:03
job because of the lack of funding for the the clinic, as
35:07
well as the frequent ICE raids on her healthcare clinic that
35:13
were reading patients in the waiting room and checking IDs
35:16
and stuff like that. And so they shut down 40 people
35:18
lost their jobs. The town that she was in lost
35:21
the healthcare clinic for women. And like this is stuff that I
35:24
think is really under the radar with some of these policies is
35:27
the economic disruption that's going on.
35:30
So to answer your question, I think that there's a lot
35:34
happening right now that is really disruptive, creating a
35:36
ton of uncertainty. And if you're a business owner,
35:40
I just don't think that you're going to make large payroll
35:43
investments, but there's this much uncertainty in the air.
35:47
So that's, that's my take on it. And I think that AI is, is a
35:50
convenient scapegoat for now, but it is, dear God, is it
35:55
coming down the pipe. And I really, I really do think
35:58
that it's, it's going to be replacing a lot of people in a
36:01
lot of different jobs. Customer care is already
36:03
completely redefined as an industry.
36:06
Yeah, yeah. And thanks for breaking that
36:09
down because it's the same thing.
36:11
It's like there's massive displacement coming from AI and
36:15
maybe that's in three months or maybe that's in three years.
36:18
It's hard to tell, largely because over the last three or
36:21
four years I've I've seen it myself and like have optimized
36:24
out positions for sure. So that's definitely coming.
36:28
But there is like so much smoke being blown around AI and
36:33
capabilities and what it can do and what it can't do.
36:36
I mean, if you go on X for 10 minutes, they're going to have
36:39
you convinced that open claw is the solution to every problem
36:42
you've ever had in your life. And I've still yet to see
36:46
somebody do something that impresses me with open claw you.
36:49
Know, I saw I saw a great, just great post the other day.
36:51
I was like, it was like, you know, bro, you got to try open
36:55
claw. Oh, sweet.
36:56
What do you use it for? It's the future, bro.
36:58
And it's like, yeah, what do you, it's like, what does it do
37:01
for you? It's like, don't get left
37:02
behind, bro. It's like it's, you know, but
37:05
that being some sort of somebody listening to this, that's like,
37:07
oh, this guy's going to get left behind, you know?
37:09
So yeah, he's moving fast. It's it, but that energy, you
37:13
know, that left behind energy it, it's easy to get caught up
37:15
in because you know, it sounds like you're moving in circles
37:18
like me where it's like it's just like I feel like I'm well,
37:22
what do I feel like? I don't feel like I'm being
37:25
chased. I feel like I'm running to hold
37:28
on. I have my hand on the train and
37:30
my legs are moving like Fred Flintstone and I'm trying to
37:33
jump up and make sure that I'm staying on the train.
37:36
That being said, you know, on Wednesdays, I have a meeting
37:38
with my daughter. She's a freshman at Mizzou and
37:41
I'm like, baby I they're they're giving you a lot of great
37:44
information, but I was like you. What you need to do is just get
37:47
into Claude code with me and we're going to start solving all
37:49
your problems with AI. You need to be AI native.
37:52
This is the most important thing, particularly when you're
37:54
looking for work and she's like, OK and so all of her friends
37:57
kind of make fun of her because she's making all these really
37:59
cool tools and doing all these things and they're like, oh you
38:01
just use AI for everything. Today she text me she said in
38:04
her finance class it's a class of 500 the.
38:09
The teacher asked if anybody knows what vibe coding is and
38:12
nobody did. None of these kids 500, so the.
38:16
I mean, I think, I think that's probably the average population
38:18
though, too. I think that if I asked my mom,
38:20
my dad, my sister, my brother-in-law, you know,
38:23
mortgage brokers and acupuncturists and lawyers like
38:27
I, I don't think 99% of people might.
38:31
My wife wouldn't know what vibe coding is, right?
38:33
Like, and I do it in my spare time and I think it's just like,
38:37
it's, and by the way, like vibe coding, I think people will also
38:41
make fun of it who know what it is because they're like, Oh, you
38:44
can't build real software with that sort of thing.
38:46
And I think that they're riding like, look, to be realistic,
38:48
I'm, it's not robust software like, you know, at this, at this
38:52
stage, but like a year ago, I couldn't have created the things
38:56
that I'm making now in hours, you know, And I think that in
39:00
two years I'm going to be able to set up a domain, create,
39:04
create a website, launch an iOS and Android app that does have
39:09
some type of algorithmic or deterministic like features with
39:13
it that is doing data ingestion that you don't might even have
39:20
like a computer vision element to it or something like that.
39:23
You could like, there's going to be some crazy stuff built with
39:27
this, that, and you're going to build it in natural language.
39:29
And like, if you think about natural languages as a as a
39:32
proxy for the programming languages that we've had all
39:35
these years, like there's really, if you can translate
39:38
natural language into into, you know, actual code, like I don't
39:42
see any reason why you couldn't build something completely with
39:45
your voice that is just as robust as, you know, team of
39:48
software engineers, which is, you know, it is very disruptive
39:52
and it's going to, and I don't want to just make fun of it or
39:54
discount. I think that this technology is
39:56
going to be extremely disruptive.
39:58
I think now it's more of a pause on payroll.
40:03
And then I think that very quickly it will be layoffs.
40:07
But I think also like for example, in my day job, I'm an
40:11
executive recruiter, I play CT OS.
40:14
In mostly in startups actually that are working on stuff like
40:18
this. And my company is incredibly AI
40:23
enabled like we use AI for everything on our back end.
40:28
We have like our own software. Shout out the Riviera partners,
40:32
my my employer. They're awesome.
40:34
They're like the the number one pure tech leadership recruiting
40:38
firm in the country. And it is just like I think it's
40:43
going to be a lot of AI enablement of teams of 100 that
40:48
would have normally have had to have been teams of 500 or 1000.
40:52
So I think there's going to be a lot of a lot of that.
40:55
Totally agree. Cool.
41:00
Before we get out of here, I do want to kind of hear your
41:03
thought process. You've built a successful
41:06
e-commerce brand from the ground up.
41:09
You know how hard that is, You know what the opportunities are.
41:11
You built a successful digital product from the ground up.
41:15
You know how hard that is and what the opportunities are
41:18
there. As you're starting to think
41:19
about developing new products like how are you weighing that
41:22
into like where are you going to go next?
41:25
Oh, it's, it's so it's hard. I think with the with so I don't
41:28
have a lot of access to capital and I don't feel very strongly
41:31
about raising capital at this point in my career.
41:34
I'm I'm all I'm like tired on the on the startup because I'm a
41:38
recovering founder, you could say.
41:41
And I'm definitely like looking forward to maybe a future big
41:45
idea. But right now I'm just kind of
41:47
enjoying what I'm doing. I'm enjoying the people that I'm
41:50
placing, I'm enjoying touching, you know, world, world changing
41:53
problems in that way. But I would say that there's
41:58
like 2 criteria that I'm really thinking about with my, the
42:03
ideas that I'm going to be launching in the, in the coming
42:05
months #1 is what is the business model and what is the
42:12
revenue? Sorry, there's, there's three
42:14
things. There's three things.
42:14
What is the business model? What is the revenue?
42:17
How, what, how can I make cash, make money flow from this to
42:23
what is the hourly involvement of myself after the product is
42:28
built? What does that look like from a
42:30
marketing machine? Is there a way I can set up
42:33
something with interns or general people on my team to,
42:37
you know, amplify my content, my videos, whatever it is to where,
42:42
you know, I can make these things work reasonably with 5 or
42:45
10 hours a week because you do run out of hours eventually.
42:49
So those are the first two things.
42:50
And then the third thing kind of negates the first two, which is
42:55
like, do I love it? And do I think that it should
42:57
exist in the world? And if I love it and I think
43:01
that it should exist in the world and I can finally bring it
43:04
to the world and bring it into exist.
43:06
And it's this idea that I've had in my head for potentially 10
43:09
years. And I thought I would never get
43:11
the opportunity to build because I'm not a software engineer or,
43:15
you know, I was working on this other thing or whatever.
43:18
Yeah, that third thing is a big driver.
43:20
So like, and it might even negate and cancel out the 1st 2.
43:24
So, you know, if you want to make money, those first two
43:26
things are really important. What's your time involvement
43:28
going to be? And is there a strong business
43:30
model behind it? And can you get eyeballs on it?
43:33
But that third thing of just like this needs to exist and I'm
43:36
going to build it and, and put it out there for people.
43:38
And I don't care if it makes money.
43:41
I think we're going to see a lot of really cool tools like that
43:44
the next couple of years. Yeah, it's interesting.
43:48
My buddy Josh, I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago, He said
43:50
something almost identical to that, you know, talking about
43:53
like he, he'd like, I think launched like 4 giant companies
43:58
last year in Maniac. So I was like, yeah, well, how
44:02
do you decide on what you're going to work on?
44:04
He said almost verbatim the same thing.
44:06
He said, I want to have defensible IPI need to have
44:09
domain expertise hit somebody on the cap table and I need to have
44:15
distribution on the cap table. So whether that's design
44:19
partners with the enterprise solution or you have like some
44:22
kind of influencer, like actually with a vested interest,
44:25
because the same thing like if you're like going to market and
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you're like, how are we going to find customers?
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He's like, I won't even start a company like that.
44:34
So I'll give you a great idea I had for you and your audience
44:37
that somebody can steal that I just probably will never build
44:40
because I'm not a domain expert. And by the way, I figured domain
44:42
expertise kind of goes without saying.
44:43
I apologize, but that do not start something if you don't
44:46
have a domain expertise on it. Because man, is it exhausting to
44:49
try to figure out a domain and build something and get users at
44:53
the same time, like do something that you know and love.
44:56
But the I have this idea of my wife and I are we're either
45:01
going to buy a home in South Florida or rent A home.
45:04
And my God is the rental market completely broken let alone the
45:08
buying market. But I moved away from South
45:11
Florida when I was 18 and now I'm back at 35 after 17 years.
45:15
I used to what when we, my sister around the property down
45:19
here, we used to rent an apartment out to our tenants for
45:23
like 1400 bucks a month and it was four bedroom, 2 stories on a
45:27
golf course, private patio. And that was 2019.
45:31
We sold that property in 2019. Terrible tithing worst, worst
45:35
decision of my life. That same property rents today
45:39
for $3200 a month in Broward County, Florida, where there's,
45:43
there's not a restaurant around except for Bonefish Grill.
45:46
Not the wrong Bonefish Grill, but it's like, and this is like,
45:49
you know, where I grew up down here.
45:51
And, and so there's something broken.
45:53
So I had this idea free idea for anyone.
45:56
Why is there not? And maybe there is and I'm just
45:58
ignorant of it because the marketing is not very good.
46:01
Why is there not an AI copilot for leasing or buying a home?
46:06
There should be an AI copilot where I can talk to it and maybe
46:10
open claw would be good at this. I haven't tried it.
46:13
Where I can say, hey, I want to find a three bedroom apartment
46:18
under this amount per month that is at least a square footage
46:22
that and I know I'm right now I'm describing just check boxes
46:25
on Zillow, right? But like that, you know, also
46:29
has a bathtub that has a backyard that at least has room
46:32
for me to throw the baseball at my nephew that has a fenced in
46:36
backyard so my dog doesn't get lost.
46:39
I want to washer and dryer, but they need to be inside the house
46:42
because I don't like going outside or going to the garage
46:44
to do laundry. And preferably, you know, at
46:48
least A1 car garage or the second space in front for for a
46:51
second car. So like qualitative things that
46:53
you can't get from a simple keyword search on Zillow, but
46:56
that are more like image examination and research and
46:59
that sort of thing. And it needs to be able to
47:02
search everyplatformapartments.com,
47:04
Zillow, like Trulia, and then say, hey, here's your 1st 20
47:09
apartments to go check out, right?
47:11
And then if I rent one of those apartments, that app should take
47:16
a 50% first month's rent Finder fee from the owner for the
47:20
apartment instead of a one month fee that listing agents usually
47:23
get. So free idea for anyone out
47:26
there that wants to steal it. I don't have domain expertise,
47:29
so I cannot build this. But yeah, there's many ideas I
47:32
have like that, that unfortunately I'll never get to
47:35
build. I do have an idea to start an AI
47:37
website that could buy put a website for selling my business
47:42
ideas to other people for either $5000 or a percentage of the
47:48
equity in the business. And I'm probably going to do
47:51
that one because I've got like 100 business plans I've written.
47:54
You got to man. I mean, if I was like you and I,
47:58
I was like, hey, this is the only resume template you need.
48:02
Trust me bro, this is the only one you need.
48:06
Turned out to be true. I'd be like spending off all my
48:09
ideas like this is the only idea you need.
48:11
Bro give me give me $10,000 right now.
48:13
You need one idea right here. That's a good idea.
48:17
I've got AI, got a bunch of other ones for people, and I own
48:19
a lot of domains too. Some good, some good domains.
48:24
My retirement plan is that I own Macintosh dot AI because of my
48:29
last name. So I and I and both spellings
48:32
too, Mac and MC Macintosh dot AI, somebody's going to come
48:37
knocking on that one at some point.
48:38
So that's my that's my retirement plan.
48:40
I love it. I love it.
48:44
All right. How much would someone have to
48:46
buy that domain right now to retire you?
48:49
To retire again, to retire, I'm 35.
48:51
They can't. There's there's unfortunately no
48:53
number. I think with the amount of
48:55
quantitative easing, but the amount of QE, the amount of
48:57
money that we're pumping into the economy, I don't think that
48:59
there's any safe retirement. And now these days, he's going
49:03
to get some serious inflation over the next 20 years.
49:06
But I would probably sell it for six figures today.
49:15
And I don't think that's delusional.
49:18
No, I don't get it either. Yeah, it's a good one that that
49:22
I can talk to the AI. Hit me up.
49:24
Somebody hit me up. Amazing, Colin, this has been so
49:28
much fun, man. It's great to talk to you again.
49:30
Denver misses you. Ladies and gentlemen, it's
49:33
Sheets, resume.com and, and Colin's not joking, man.
49:38
At the bottom it gives his e-mail address where it says,
49:40
hey, if you're in tough Financial Times, hit me up and
49:42
I'll help you out. Which is a beautiful thing, man.
49:45
I, I appreciate that you're, you're so hard first, which is
49:49
refreshing to see. A lot of times in business,
49:51
particularly in the startup world, people can get bitter and
49:54
cynical. And I, I just appreciate wearing
49:56
your heart and your sleeve. Thanks for that man.
49:59
Thanks, man. I mean, it's all we can do,
50:01
right? And I leave, you know, I, I
50:03
think you and I have maybe spoken about this before, but
50:06
these, these impacts that people have on one another really do
50:10
ripple dramatically throughout all of creation.
50:14
And I look at us as creation around, I'm not very religious,
50:17
but like, you know, we are each other.
50:19
And like as a good example, tell the audience you brought me to a
50:23
float tank in Denver that on one of our first meetings that I
50:27
just loved. And, you know, you're probably
50:29
trying to get me to buy, buy something or other just you're
50:32
just hang out because you wanted a friend.
50:34
And I think like a few years later, I took my wife there on
50:36
our third date and it was like one of our best dates.
50:39
And it was one of those nights when like, you know, third date,
50:43
I looked at her and I was like, you know, there's something,
50:45
there's something different about about this person and, you
50:49
know, ended up marrying her. So there's a lot, there's a lot
50:51
of stuff. And I hope that I reached some
50:52
people today in this conversation that like, maybe
50:55
you'll start something or maybe I'll do something different and
50:57
that'll ripple. And the resume builder to me is
51:00
like very much that thing. And then in my life right now
51:04
that I am, I'm really, really happy and excited about because
51:09
jobs in this country are so hard to come by.
51:11
They are very, very impactful for people's families, their
51:15
children, not least of all because we have healthcare tied
51:18
to employment in this country in a very weird way.
51:20
I will not get into that. Not enough time at the end of
51:23
the podcast. But yeah, dude, we are all, we
51:27
are all atoms that come from rocks and rivers and trees.
51:30
And I look forward to being rocks and everyone treats again
51:33
one day. And until then, just trying to
51:35
help other people get through this life because it's it's
51:38
fucking hard sometimes. So.
51:40
Hey man brother, is LinkedIn the best place online for people to
51:44
connect with you personally? Yeah, LinkedIn, Colin McIntosh.
51:49
And I'm not super active on social because I really, really,
51:55
really don't want to spend my life giving bad advice on
51:58
Twitter. No offense, anybody, But yeah,
52:05
Linkedin's definitely the spot to to connect with me or yeah,
52:08
my e-mail, like you said, colin@sheetsresume.com.
52:12
And I'm always, always happy to to connect with someone new.
52:16
You're the best man, thank you so much.
52:18
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