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Principles of Overlanding :: The Toyota Tundra for Overlanding · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Scott Brady, and I am here with my Toyota
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  Speaker 1: Piccup Truck series co host. We've actually been talking about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff recently we have. I've got Richard
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  Speaker 1: Giardano with me and we are going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: undras today. So we're going to talk about Gen one,
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  Speaker 1: Gen two and the most current Gen three Tundras for
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  Speaker 1: overland travel. How you prepare those vehicles for it, What
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  Speaker 1: are the strengths and weaknesses that you need to be
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  Speaker 1: mindful for, how they are kind of best prepared for
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  Speaker 1: that kind of travel. Fortunately, Tundras are not new to
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  Speaker 1: Overland International. In fact, within our team right now, we've
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  Speaker 1: got at least three Tundras that I'm aware of. Our
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  Speaker 1: chief financial Officer Andre Racine drives Gen two Tundra, which
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  Speaker 1: is just right behind Richard right now. It's a white
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  Speaker 1: extended cab, a six and a half foot bed truck.
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  Speaker 1: Our operations man manager Garrett Meade, he drives a Gen
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  Speaker 1: one Tundra, so it's a crew cab six and a
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  Speaker 1: half foot bed, so it's one of the longer, early
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  Speaker 1: editions of the Tundra. He drives that and Mane as
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  Speaker 1: a second gen as well, that's right, and then his wife, Heather,
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  Speaker 1: she drives a second gen as well. So actually there's
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  Speaker 1: probably four of them that are coming to mind already,
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  Speaker 1: and they have actually become very popular in recent years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at like what Paul may
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  Speaker 1: from Equipped has done with his Gen one and his
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  Speaker 1: Gen two, he's really kind of fallen in love with
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  Speaker 1: those trucks and he's currently pulling an airstream around with
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  Speaker 1: a Gen two. So we have seen a growth of
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  Speaker 1: the interest in the tundra, and I think the reason
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  Speaker 1: for that is there has been this big growth in
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  Speaker 1: for backcountry use where efficiency, durability and reliability are key
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  Speaker 1: to having an enjoyable and safe overland journey. Sure, there
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  Speaker 1: are options to the Dodge Ram, which is certainly the
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  Speaker 1: darling of the full size segment, and that's because of
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  Speaker 1: the powertrain and the payload capabilities of that truck. The
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  Speaker 1: Tundra has come along with it because there are people
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  Speaker 1: who are going to prioritize either a brand that they love,
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  Speaker 1: which may be Toyota. Oftentimes that love for a Tundra
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  Speaker 1: comes from its durability and reliability. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: about what have you seen around interest with Tundra.
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  Speaker 2: I think as the Twitter pickups like we have get older,
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  Speaker 2: even the beloved Tacoma is the first gens and second
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  Speaker 2: gens get older, but also very very expensive. Love for
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  Speaker 2: the second gen Tundras and even the first gen Tundras
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  Speaker 2: really blossoms because a they're available, they're usually less expensive
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  Speaker 2: than to then they're Tacoma brothers, and payload goes up,
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  Speaker 2: power goes up, yet all less capability in a less
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  Speaker 2: expensive truck.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, lots of benefits.
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  Speaker 1: And we're seeing kind of across the board that travelers
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  Speaker 1: are recognizing that a little bit larger vehicle with a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more payload, it starts to be better suited
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  Speaker 1: for or long term travel on the road. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be going out for short trips or you're
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  Speaker 1: really comfortable just kind of camping out most nights, the
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  Speaker 1: smaller vehicles are great for that. You can drive around
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  Speaker 1: the world into Suzuki Jimney if you wanted to. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the I didn't have the best night's sleep
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  Speaker 1: when I did that, but it was certainly possible to
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  Speaker 1: do that. But I think that a lot of folks
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  Speaker 1: are looking at how do we travel comfortably or how
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  Speaker 1: do we travel long term? And that starts to really
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  Speaker 1: point towards the full sized truck, and the Tundra is
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  Speaker 1: no exception for that. What do you think about the
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  Speaker 1: first gen? Like, well, and maybe we should even go
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  Speaker 1: back a little further. So there was this Toyota called
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  Speaker 1: the T one hundred that even came before that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: another unicorn it was, and it came into prominence. It
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  Speaker 1: became the race truck platform for Ivan Stewart. It was
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  Speaker 1: a very cool truck. They were available with a manual transmission.
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  Speaker 1: They were available with even I think the three point
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  Speaker 1: four leader. At the very end, Yeah, at the very
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  Speaker 1: end of production, you could get like a three point
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  Speaker 1: four lead, five speed annual T one hundred, which was
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  Speaker 1: like this, call it like a seven tenths scale full
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  Speaker 1: sized truck.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very similar to a New Tacoma.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're probably right, and that's interesting how everything
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  Speaker 1: is grown. But the T one hundreds are out there
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  Speaker 1: they're just super difficult to find in any kind of
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  Speaker 1: good condition. They're kind of unobtaining them because they really
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  Speaker 1: didn't sell a whole lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of the parts interchange with other vehicles.
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  Speaker 2: I think the CV the axles are different size because
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  Speaker 2: they're very similar to a pickup or Tacoma, but they're
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  Speaker 2: a little wider they are. That's actually what's in our
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  Speaker 2: in our twy to pick up with long with a
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  Speaker 2: three and a half inch long travel as a T
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  Speaker 2: one hundred axle. Oh interesting, Yeah, so still factory axle. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool, but they are also getting hard to find
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  Speaker 2: the fair parts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really difficult to find. And then what came
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  Speaker 1: after that is the Gen one Tundra, And there are
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  Speaker 1: some in my mind, there are a bunch of really
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  Speaker 1: wonderful things about that truck. But what from your perspective,
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  Speaker 1: what do you see when you look at a Gen
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  Speaker 1: one Tundra.
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  Speaker 2: I love the drive train, Yeah, smooth, powerful, Again, you're
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  Speaker 2: in a truck that is the same size as modern Dacoma,
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  Speaker 2: but it comes with.
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  Speaker 3: A V eight power, reliability.
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  Speaker 2: All the things that you love about a V eight
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  Speaker 2: are there, but in the platform that is the same
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  Speaker 2: size as a Tacoma.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to beat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize that that
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  Speaker 1: that is the same four point seven liter V eight
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  Speaker 1: that was delivered in the hundred series land Cruiser. So
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  Speaker 1: it met all of the reliability and longevity durability requirements
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  Speaker 1: of Toyota for a J series land Cruiser and anytime
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  Speaker 1: that you can get any parts that come that are
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  Speaker 1: shared out of a J series, which has been reflected
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  Speaker 1: in all of the Tundras that have been launched. But
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  Speaker 1: you've got a four point seven liter V eight. Later
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  Speaker 1: models ended with ended up with the VVTI I think
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  Speaker 1: is what they called it. It's a variable valve train,
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  Speaker 1: so you get up to about two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five horse power. They were never particularly fuel efficient. The
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  Speaker 1: five speed automatic was never particularly inspiring, but it was
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  Speaker 1: super reliable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in good friend of mine,
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  Speaker 2: Harry Wagner. He had a two thousand, I believe, for
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  Speaker 2: years with hundreds of thousands of miles on it. I think,
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  Speaker 2: just myself, I spent three four trips in Mexico for
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  Speaker 2: chasing the Sonora Rally, or about one thousand anything in
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  Speaker 2: that truck. Yeah, never never hesitated to hop in, turn
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  Speaker 2: the key and drive to Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they just keep driving and driving and driving
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  Speaker 1: and driving, which is really amazing. Where it's similarities with
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  Speaker 1: the land Cruiser drive train, it's a full time transfer case.
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  Speaker 1: It was never available and all will drive. You could
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  Speaker 1: not select a center differential lock, so it was tool drive,
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  Speaker 1: or it was four high with the center locked, or
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  Speaker 1: it was four low which also had the center was
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  Speaker 1: mechanically locked. It wasn't an open differential that you could lock,
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  Speaker 1: So that was where a lot of the similarities end.
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  Speaker 1: The were differentials a little different. The front suspension components
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  Speaker 1: are different also from the one hundred series in several ways,
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  Speaker 1: but it did share a lot of those drive train
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  Speaker 1: components with the hundred series.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of improved upon the one hundred series,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, getting rid of the torchion bar that's right,
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  Speaker 2: and to a coil over, so it's very easy aftermarket
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  Speaker 2: parts everywhere. You really tuned them to, however, what kind
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  Speaker 2: of travel you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And they also sold quite a few of them too.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's what's interest thing about the Generation
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  Speaker 1: one Hundra is that they were super popular. They sold
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  Speaker 1: in you know, approaching one hundred thousand units, so they
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of volume out there, so they're actually
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  Speaker 1: pretty available. You can find those trucks out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and once you once you're looking for one, you
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  Speaker 2: see them everywhere on the road.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Yeah, In fact, I am going
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  Speaker 1: to look it up. But when you look at a
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  Speaker 1: a Gen one Toyota Toyota Tundra, what have you seen
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  Speaker 1: around like clever modifications or like maybe first order modifications
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  Speaker 1: that people are doing to those trucks.
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  Speaker 2: No, my favorite thing with those is to keep them
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  Speaker 2: nice and simple, put a good suspension under them, decent wheel,
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  Speaker 2: entire package.
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  Speaker 3: An example, Harry's truck.
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  Speaker 2: You just did ads shocks, total cast upper control arm,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes at a SPC upper control arm, depending on how
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  Speaker 2: he was feeling a ton of cover on the back,
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  Speaker 2: and jammed all the camping you're in the back between,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, between Sonora Rally, Baja one thousand, Rebel Rally,
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  Speaker 2: there are many nice camp beside that thing. And it
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  Speaker 2: was just kept very very simple and worked really well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm looking at the sales numbers right now.
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  Speaker 1: But fairly consistently over one hundred thousand units. In two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five, i've they sold one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: six thousand units their most the highest volume year was
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, which was right before the
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  Speaker 1: financial crisis, and they sold one hundred and ninety six
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  Speaker 1: thousand Gen one Tundras. So that's big volume, which means
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to be out there. You can find
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  Speaker 1: these trucks, and they do have a lot of longevity
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  Speaker 1: built into them. So if you find one with just
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  Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand miles, you still have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of service life left, in my opinion, especially if it's
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  Speaker 1: been well taken care of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think right now, based on what I've
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  Speaker 2: been seeing, a nice double cab with one hundred one
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  Speaker 2: hundred fifty thousand miles around twenty grand. It may seem
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  Speaker 2: expensive compared to what they used to cost, but still
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  Speaker 2: much cheaper than.
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  Speaker 1: A new truck totally. Yeah, well, and much less expensive
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  Speaker 1: than even a used Tacoma of the same year. It's
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  Speaker 1: amazing what the comas are selling for. And then when
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  Speaker 1: it switched over to Generation two, the numbers stayed in
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  Speaker 1: the low one hundred thousands all the way up until
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which is fairly common. Once the announce
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  Speaker 1: of new models coming out, you start to see so
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  Speaker 1: switch over in production. And also they were probably running
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  Speaker 1: into some of the chip shortages and stuff, but they sold.
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  Speaker 1: The lowest year of the Gen two was twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: where they hit eighty one thousand units, But that's still
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trucks.
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  Speaker 3: They sold everyone they made and just kept on pumping
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  Speaker 3: them out.
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  Speaker 1: What I've seen on the Gen one, they have fair
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  Speaker 1: It was still when Toyota made fairly tall trucks, so
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  Speaker 1: they had fairly good ground clearance. So I don't actually
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  Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of advantage in lifting them
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot. I do think that that one and
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  Speaker 1: a half in somewhere around that fifty millimeter range. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: with too much lift on an IFS is that you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul because there's a
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  Speaker 1: fixed amount of suspension travel, or it's relatively fixed amount
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  Speaker 1: of suspension travel within an IFS where you haven't gone
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  Speaker 1: to long travel like you've done, or.
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  Speaker 4: Even extended travel mid travel shock but correct. And that's
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  Speaker 4: because there's an operating range for the cvs. So even
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  Speaker 4: if you do upper control arms that allow another three
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  Speaker 4: quarters of an inch or whatever, they still are trying
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  Speaker 4: to keep that operating range of the CV within the
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  Speaker 4: specifications because what happens is when you're at full droop
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  Speaker 4: and you're at full lock, the CV ACXLE has a
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  Speaker 4: fraction of the strength that it does in the straight line.
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  Speaker 4: With independent front suspension, we have to be really mindful
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  Speaker 4: around how much lift we put on them. But it
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  Speaker 4: seems like the first gen Tundra really tolerates and it
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  Speaker 4: does well with that around fifty milimeters, so we're talking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, inch and three quarter to two inches.
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  Speaker 2: Of lift, yeah ya, And what you're explaining it is that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the more lift you have, the less down travel, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to end up having.
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  Speaker 1: It correct, so you start topping out a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall, but I don't think that that vehicle has
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  Speaker 1: a jounce on extension. It does on compression. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of newer vehicles do have jounces on extension. The Gen
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  Speaker 1: one Tundra, as I recall, does not. It's probably inside
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  Speaker 1: the coil over the strut in a stock configuration, but
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  Speaker 1: you really can get into a lot of topping. It
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  Speaker 1: decreases ride quality. You don't really want to overlift these things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep it relatively low. Like you said, fifty
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  Speaker 2: mils is plenty.
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  Speaker 1: It's per and then you can fit a thirty three
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  Speaker 1: inch tall tire on there, which means you usually don't
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  Speaker 1: have to regear.
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  Speaker 2: You can have the spare and a spare tire location. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's always my limit. I feel like since on most
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  Speaker 2: of my projects is if I can fit a thirty
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  Speaker 2: three underneath the truck, a thirty three or goal on
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  Speaker 2: the truck, or if I can fit a thirty five
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  Speaker 2: under the truck.
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  Speaker 3: Part yeah, because there's just one less thing to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think of the leverage effect of
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  Speaker 1: a full size swing out tire carrier, you know on
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  Speaker 1: the back, especially on a half ton truck, a Dodge
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  Speaker 1: ram like does not seem to care if you stick
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  Speaker 1: one thousand pounds off of them. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the tongue weight of a large trailer, it
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  Speaker 1: could easily be one thousand pounds. So they're designed to
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of weight off the rear end of them.
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  Speaker 1: But a half ton truck is not designed to have
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  Speaker 1: that kind of weight, so you do want to tuck that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a three thousand dollars bumper or three thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: bumper with swingouts that weighs two hundred and fifty to
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  Speaker 2: three dred pounds and then the bumper up high and
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  Speaker 2: it starts adding up real fast.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. It really does. In fact, I remember
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  Speaker 1: when I did that to my Tacoma. I put a
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  Speaker 1: swing out tire carrier on the back because I thought
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  Speaker 1: that would be clever.
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  Speaker 3: He looks the part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a terrible idea in hindsight, because I
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  Speaker 1: ended up needing to strengthen the frame then to take that.
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  Speaker 1: So now I'm welding on the frame of my brand
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  Speaker 1: new truck and I'm having to put all these plates
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  Speaker 1: on and reinforcement. I don't think either of us are
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  Speaker 1: recommending that program. If you've got a one ton truck
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  Speaker 1: or a three quarter ton truck that's got the payload
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  Speaker 1: and it's designed to do it, that's a different thing.
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  Speaker 1: Tundras don't tend to do well with that kind of weight.
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  Speaker 1: No aft, since it is a coilover McPherson's strut configuration
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  Speaker 1: in the front, you can go to coilovers. There are
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  Speaker 1: options out there from a bunch of different companies. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it's really worthwhile looking at improving the dampers.
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  Speaker 1: You have limited suspension travel in the front, so by
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  Speaker 1: improving the dampers even improving your jounces as well, you
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  Speaker 1: can really improve the ride quality of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: On the truck I was talking about, Harry used Timberands
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  Speaker 2: for a long time, kind of set it, forget it,
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  Speaker 2: and then he went to a light racing jounce shtock, okay,
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  Speaker 2: bump front and rear sure, and that just transformed how the.
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  Speaker 1: Truck performed totally. Yeah, it was more of a.
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  Speaker 3: Fabricated situation to get get those on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and they both have their place. I like the
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  Speaker 1: Timbrans a lot for if you're dealing with heavy loads,
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  Speaker 1: whereas I think a hydraulic jounce is going to be
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  Speaker 1: best when you're dealing with high speeds. So high loads
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  Speaker 1: go with some kind of a progressive rubber jounce from
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  Speaker 1: Timberan or a similar manufacturer. And if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: go for high speed, then you want to have some
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  Speaker 1: kind of hydraulic damping so that you don't get the
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  Speaker 1: rebound effect of the.
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  Speaker 3: Rubber jounts exactly that speed.
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  Speaker 1: So, and Harry's a great driver, and he really does
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to those attributes of his truck. He cares
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  Speaker 1: about how it performs. So it's cool. Now what did
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  Speaker 1: he do with with shocks up front? What was his coilover?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did an ADS coil over upfront, an extended
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  Speaker 2: travel with upper control arm. So one, I believe the
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  Speaker 2: one is to extended travel shock sure, and then out
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  Speaker 2: back with dever.
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  Speaker 3: Leaf springs and devers A good choice.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was very custom in particular the way
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: he wanted the truck to be sure, mostly a wolf
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: in cheap's clothing. From the outside, you couldn't see any
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: anything different, but underneath the all the magic was.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well and that's where you want it. So it's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: like a total sleeper exactly. So for when you're doing
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: sixty down a AHA back road. Cool. Now, what about
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: for the front differential? I don't know enough about the
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: first generation Tundra, but I know the rear you can
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: add an air locker to it. Is the front differential
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: still the same as like that eight inch ring gear?
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Good question is I think it is.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: So you could probably add an AARB air locker to
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: the front of that.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: And any of those trucks I've been in, whether they
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: be an air locker or like an eating true track,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like most of the times that's all you
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: need unless you're getting really technical for sure.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the trucks really benefit from a locker in the
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: rear because in so much the case with overland travel,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: but oftentimes these trucks are very light in the rear,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: they can really spin a lot and they just don't
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: have as much traction. So if you can lock up
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the rear differential on a truck on a pickup, it
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: usually improves things quite a bit.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Even if that's just driving around a snowy ski townp
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: correct that makes a big difference.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: And any kind of traction control that you'll see on
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: the later generations of tundras were really it was really rudimentary,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't particularly effective. It allowed for a lot
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of wheel spin before you'd get any kind of break
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: traction control.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like in like our second gen
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: R two thousand and eight, it's really just trying to
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: make sure you don't die.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: It's not really trying to get you any traction.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we typically would use the second gen Tundra break
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: traction control, the early versions of it, as an example
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of some of the poorest performing break traction control.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: We actually have videos that we would show our editors
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: of like this is what you don't want to have happen,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and then if you did any left foot breaking, it
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: would cancel it. So it's even worse. Break traction control
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: can be very beneficial when you do have some kind
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of a gear driven limited slip, because any break tracts
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: control that comes on gets amplified by the gear driven
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: limited slip. Yeah. I'm not sure what they've got in
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: the rear on the Gen two for mechanical limited.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, nothing, it's open iff in mind at least.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is available for Gen two for blocking differentially.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: So we are going to put an airbit air locker
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: in ours, but you can also again eat in true
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: track nitro makes it a limitus slip as well. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I think if you're looking for something that's mainly different
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: on the street, and you know you happen to go
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: through snowy patches or wet patches or icy patches, whatever
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it is on your drives, limit slip is a really
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: good option, but it is tire size isn't too big
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: and your weight isn't too heavy.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the key is that gear driven limited slips
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: tend to have limitations around tire diameter because you get
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: so much rotating mass that when those gears start to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: press out against the case, they're not really designed to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: take like a thirty seven or something. But if you're
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: thirty three thirty four inch tall tire, maybe even a
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: thirty five with the right driver, I think you can
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: get away with those true tracks in the.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Back for sure. There's something very nice about the simplicity
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they really work nice. Yeah. A lot of
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: people don't realize how nice a true track works, especially
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: with even a little bit of break tracks control. It
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: just starts to all be like magic, yeah, one und percent, Yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and very fluid and smooth and predictable. Yeah, for sure.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And you don't get the same oversteer or you don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: slide off your line as much as you would with
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: an air locker.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit of fres which is nice.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Now on those gen ones, another upside is they tend
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: to have pretty good payload, so there were some two
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: wheel drive models over two thousand pounds, and it wasn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: uncommon to find four wil drives in the seventeen eighteen
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: hundred pound payload capacity range. You tend to still have
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: pretty good payload in the Gen one Tundras, and that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: can be really useful if you want to install a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: four wheel camper. And in fact, one of the longer
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: trips that I did in a Tundra was I drove
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the Mojave Road in a four wal drive Gen one
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Tundra with a four whel camper on the back of it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: It just really gave me a sense of the overall
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: size and dimensions and it was probably the first time
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, maybe there's something to this full
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: sized truck thing that I hadn't really considered before. So
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it started to challenge my perceptions around like everything's got
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to be small in North America. It's not as much
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of an advantage.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: No, and Ashley and I started playing this game. We
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: started in Mexico when we were there this winter, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: we played it as well in Saudi Arabia and it
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: was called would our Tundra Fit?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I like that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're running around a little rental Toyda for
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: tuner when we were in Saudi and we were in
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: our toy to pickup in Mexico. Every time we're doing
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: something technical or fun or just a little excursion, or
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: driving through a small town trying to drive through a
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: narrow congestion gas station, we always ask, did the Thunder
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: do this? Ninety nine percent of the time the answer
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: was yes, we did the same thing. And we went
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: on our South America trip. Looking back on that, we
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: started asking, Okay, if there were there towns we couldn't
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: have made it through, where there are different trails we
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't have done, and most of the time the Thunder
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: would have been just fine.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can think of so few true overland journeys
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that I've done were a full size or even a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: seven eight size like a Gen one Tundra wouldn't fit.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And maybe the jungle tracks that we did in Guatemala
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: because they were very much like the width of an
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: eighty series land Cruiser, because that was the people who
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: cut that trail.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Any wider.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: No, No, because it's a lot of effort. So there
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: would certainly be cases where that would be an issue,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: but not many because most even most remote towns still
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: need to get service and infrastructure brought to them, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that's normally going to be in some kind of a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: medium duty truck like a fuso or canter or something
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like that, where you've got you know, you got to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: get supplies back to these villages exactly.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And even if it's in a sprinter, a sprinter looks narrow,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: but it's just tall. It's tall, you know. It's the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Tundra I believe is still narrower than a sprinter.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Is oh interesting in the second gen Yeah, oh interesting, Yeah, yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that I would not expect.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: No, because the Tundra looks so wide. This was based
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: on Internet research and not actual measure tape, drink in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: my hand. It's a lot to double check, we should,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: but I'm ninety nine percent sure that's the case.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Well, so the Gen one Tundra I think is very
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: much still worth looking at. I think that there are
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of great examples out there, and there is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of them that are still being built. Take
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a look at Paul May's build of a Gen one Tundra.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It should be on equipped one dot com. That's just
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a really neat truck that he put together. I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: he's supercharged, because like, if Paul can get a supercharger
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: for something, he will get it. You'll find it. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's supercharged it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you so.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like every time I drive with Paul, the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: foots to the floorboard, so that would make sense. They
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: don't make a super charger for that anymore. I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: those rods are fragile like glass. Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did for a while. Or you could definitely
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: get a TRD supercharger for the four to seven for
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a period of time. I don't know that that's still
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the case, but I think Paul ended up with one
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of the last ones.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Thankes for a fun truck, I'm sure.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh geez, I can just imagine. Yeah, because the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: four sevens already scowed, no doubt. And then when it
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: comes to campers and other things for the back of it,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: sometimes people will go with Tacoma four will camper in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the back of it, which really pulls it in nicely
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: against the bedrails. So it's surprising how well like a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Tacoma campers work on the Gen one Tundras because they
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: know they pull everything in just a little bit tighter.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: But they don't fit a full size camper. So that's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: just something to be aware of, is that they don't.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The Gen two does. And I think that that's probably
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a good place to transition towards talking about the Gen
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: two Tundra, because those are going to be the most
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: common that people are going to use. Now, what made
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you decide to go from nineteen ninety Toyota pickup to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Gen two Tundra? Like, what was the process that made
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you decide that that's what you wanted to take on
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: your next global journey.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: The purchase of the Tundra was after driving our nineteen
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Nighty Too to pick up about sixty seventy eight thousand
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: kilometers down from Vancouver to Ushuaia back across Canada, and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: then I started using it to commute for work and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: stop and go traffic, and I was like, I think
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I need something else other than this at some point,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: just anything more modern. So we started looking at double
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: cab to Coomas, just thinking, Okay, we like the platform,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we like the size, and maybe at some point we
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: can do some sort of camper on the back without
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: thinking about payload or anything else. Just thought to Cooma,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that's the way to go, but I could not find
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: anything that was at all in our price range of
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: about twenty thousand dollars.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Sure, and then I thought, well, let's look at a
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: first gen Tundra.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: But I had it fixed in my mind that I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: really wanted a double cab because we have an extended
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: cab pickup. And I was like, just that extra space
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: haul a couple extra bodies, you know, a little bit
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: more luxury of the cab would be nice. Except they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: were all at that point about twenty thousand dollars for
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: trucks that had three hundred thousand colometers on that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: At that point, we were living on Vancouver Island, so
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and a lot of options for us.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I just happened to be walking past a Mazda dealer
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and there was a second gen Hundra sitting in the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: back that looked like it was mint and I've kind
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of like walked over and poke my head. In had
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: very few kilometers. It had one hundred and fifteen thousand
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: k on it. And I walked into the dealer and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: asked about it and they said it was a trade in.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I offered them twenty grand and picked it up, So wow,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: what deal?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So they didn't have to do anything to it. It
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: was nice, easy sale for them. And we got a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: truck that the original owner had been maybe put seven
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: or eight thousand kilometers on our ear. He'd take it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: out in the summer. So is like twenty foot trailer.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Put it back away in the graash.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And what color is that?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: It's white?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so white, double calves, six and a half footbed.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You're now in Overland, exactly proper color. Does it have
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a snorkel?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Not yet?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Oh not yet? Yeah, mic drop, Yeah, exactly we have.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: We've got a pile of stuff that has yet to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: be installed.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So you went from a red nineteen ninety pickup without
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a snorkel to a white Tundra with a snorkel. He
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: looks hart, he's all grown up. Exactly.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I get my snorkel badge.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Now it's the Overlanders wave like. It's just like everybody's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: all wave into each other.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: It's perfect. You need to like a little EMU head
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: or something for it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It need a little button. It makes it go back
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and forth. That's perfect, all right. So you decided upon
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a Gen two Tundra.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: We're forced to buy under because nothing else, everything else
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is way too expensive for us.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: But it seems like you're happy with the results. Seems
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like you've enjoyed the truck. The motor's great other than
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you can't pass a gas station, but everything else about
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: But this is the thing.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Is every Tacoma that has any weight in it, that's true,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: thirteen miles per gallon, and totally every tundra that I've
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: been in that has weight and it gets, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: eleven miles per gallon.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a big difference.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It's not a big difference, and sometimes it'll get even
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit better than that if you keep your
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: foot out of it. Well, just not working that hard.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: No, exactly.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Our stock truck got seventeen eighteen miles per gallon with
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like heavy thirty fives and skid plates and stuff on
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: it now which will get changed, but it gets like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: fifteen miles per gallon, So it could be a lot worse.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I've been in.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: You know, if you look at these big diesel rams,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: if it has a camper on it, it gets eleven miles
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: per gallon as well. True, So it's got the payload,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it's got the power, but you know, the range, the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: range is only there because the fuel, because it can
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: haul the fuel.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Right, because it has the capacity for it, the payload
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: for it. So what have you found in your research
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that are some things that people need to look out
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: for on the Gen two Tundra, Like, are there any
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: weak points that you're finding? All Right, we talked a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: little bit about the effectiveness of the Breake traction control,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: which is one of the few things that I found
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: problematic around that truck.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: They were never available with a locker or limited slip
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: of any type.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is definitely a downside. So if you see
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: TRD or TRD PRO on your Gen two Tundra, that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't really mean anything other than it has stamping in
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the bed and a slightly prettier shock.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They all work differently, equally well in different terrain.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Didn't gain like an off road mode or anything like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It does give some you know, usually comes with different
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: tires and it's got you know a little bit better
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: shocks on it and stuff.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know there's a there's a recall in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the front clamshell bearing at some point in our drug
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: had it. So you can either get it fixed by
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Toyda through a service bulletin. I know. East Coast Gear
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Supply has a bushing that you can install as well
• 26:12
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• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Beyond that, they're pretty like like you said there, they
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: share so many parts with the two undred series land Cruiser.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Pretty bulletproof.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the engine five point seven liter V eight
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: is the same motor that's available in the two hundred
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: series land Cruiser. Did it also get the performance upgrade
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that the land Cruiser did in twenty sixteen or so.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure because in twenty sixteen the lank Cruis
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: are also going eight speed transmission.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think the tunder ever did.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that ever happened with that, that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: might be worth worth looking into it. At some point
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: five point seven liter V eight it has heavy duty
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: five speed transmission six six now, okay, six speed transmission. Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it was the gen one that had the five so
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: six speed transmission. A lot of shared suspension components with
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the two hundred series.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, it's a little bit of a wider track
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: wid so the control arms a little bit wider, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I think the axles are different, but I believe, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: believe the differential is very similar, and I believe that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The coilover is the same. The coilovers are the same. Yeah,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: don't they swap back and forth?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Essentially you can I think the I believe that the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: land cruiser ones are a little bit shorter, but if
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: you can, and also you can swap control arms, so
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you can do like a tundra swap onto a two
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: HUNDERD series and make it a little bit wider, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: then you can also put in a longer shock from
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a tunder.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I believe. That's a that's a Kurt Williams question, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: ha ha, total believe or not lying.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do know that the brake package is
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: very similar because when we were down in Baja with
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Ken Guro back in twenty seventeen, we like when they're
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: when they needed a break in a hub, we scavenge
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: one off of one of the second gen Tundras that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: was a Chase truck and.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Through that on a trailer.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: It does look like that. In twenty sixteen, though, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: could get a much bigger fuel tank option says there's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a thirty eight gallon fuel take option.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've got a twenty six point four gallon tank,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and well I used to have a twenty six point
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: four gallon tank in my truck, right, and then you
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: can swap in the thirty eight gallon. I ended up
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: going with a transfer flow forty six gallon tank.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you just have to check your the EPA
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to see if you can do that. It depends on
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the country and other things. Of course, your your vehicle
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is going to be leaving, so it's just important to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: know if you're if the tank is comple client with
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: those things.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And it's nice with the transfer flow one because it
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: comes with a second charcoal canister series, so they paid
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: attention to a lot of missions control systems.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Oh that's great, and that takes it to how many
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: gallons forty six? Oh wow, that's great.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That almost doubles the range, which is is great because
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the tundra's just so good at soaking up either longer
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: roads or highway miles. I remember the first time I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: drove that truck in Montana, so speed limits eighty, doing
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: slightly more than eighty maybe close course, but all of
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a sudden, like two hours later, field tanks dry.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: But it's just like you're.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Going so quick, it's so smooth. Sure, and the tank
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: really is quite small.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from what I'm seeing here, it does not look
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: like that the twenty sixteen model got the eight speed
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that the land Cruiser did.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: It is a nice upgrade.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people definitely look for that twenty sixteen model and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they pay for it. Yeah that's right. Yeah, I mean, geez,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a two hundred series land Cruiser right now, and it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like an obtainium. And if you can find them, they're
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: so expensive. But that's why we're talking about tundras, because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: they're it's like a land cruiser.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Actually, second gen Tundras right now are selling like a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: good one you can get for fifteen grand.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you can't even buy like a replacement wheel
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: package for two hundreds that it feels like. And then
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: there was also a TRD supercharger available for the five
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: point seven as well for a period of time.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in I spent quite a bit of
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: time with one truck that had had that supercharger. It's
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: made my Magnus in Magson still makes it, but puts
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: at five hundred fifty horse power.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Especially the truck that I was driving was stock truck,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: stock tires, nice and nice and light, but with the supercharger.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, Chris Cornett, actually the guy who bought my
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I bought my house from, he had a TRD supercharge
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: five point seven Tundra which had a bit just been wicked.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that premium fuel is also wicked to pay for.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think you'd ever want it for
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: global travel.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: But geez, it feels like it's an appropriate amount of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: power for the truck. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: too much. You can hand your keys to anybody, I'll
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: go drive it because Mary put your foot into it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: More power you got.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It is very linear.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, you stop looking at miles per gallon you start
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: going to smiles pretty exactly. Yeah, unlimited, unlimited smiles for you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: What do you guys have planned for your tundra? What
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: we put in it?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: When we got our tundra, we we put the very
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: first go fast camper that they ever made for a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: full sized truck on it. It did thirty four inch
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: tires and old menu nitro charger.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: What tires did you put on? We had BFG thirty seven.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, now they have a thirty four to ten to fifty,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: which is really clever.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember what size it was. I think
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: it was like a thirty four ten or eleven fifty.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It was on an eighteen inch wheel, okay, sure, yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the old man um basic nitro charger, shocks and medium
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: duty springs up back and it was a killer little combination.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Pretty light, still fast.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I can use it for camping or we left the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: bed empty just for around around the first like duties.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Eventually camper went off and we had Fox two point
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: zero two point fives with dscs underneath it and total
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: caast supper control arms just like increase the performance of it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Put some thirty fives.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: At that time, we had some BFG KO two's on
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: seventeen inch method wheels and b grip wheels. Again, that
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was just like nice little daily driver that got us
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: out to the ski hill or the trails or whatever
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: very easily, nice and comfortably. Now things are changing again
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: because we've decided that as we get older, we need
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Bit more comfort in our lives. You're old, yet older.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I'm old compared to Matt Scott. It's always younger than
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I am. But somehow, yeah, it's like every year he's
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: younger than.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Me, exactly.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: You must have some sort of special elixir he does.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Oh man.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: We've decided on a little bit more comfort, and we
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: struggled with what kind of vehicle to go with for
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a little while because land cruise a trooper route is
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: just such a dialed combination fairly small, capable, reliable arts,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: availability everywhere you can make it a nice easy livable
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: camper on the back, but also fairly expensive and hard
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to find one that's in really really good shape depending
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: on where you're getting it from, and Eventually we just
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: some of the overline journal and found an old article
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a Bulgary and Monica Westcott and they're one of their turtles. Well,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: if they've been driving around Siberia and they've been everywhere
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in a full sized truck, what are we doing? We're
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: idiots because for so long we're just focused on small
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: vehicle that we can get us anywhere, small towns, small trails,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: just in case, even though the just in case almost
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: never happens. Sure, we decided that the Tundra was a
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: good fit. It was already in our proverbial driveway. We
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: owned it doesn't know us anything, we don't owe anything
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: on it right now. It's got one hundred ninety two
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: thousand kilometers, so whatever that one hundred and ten twenty
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: thousand miles on it. The next thing was that we
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: were in Saudi Arabia and there're two hundred series land
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: cruises everywhere. It was very surprising amount of Hunters that
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: we saw, a second gen the first gen that we
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: saw over there, and then Sequoias everywhere, which is also
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a surprise to me.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Sure, like, guess where all the sequoias went? Exactly sell
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: them here?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: No, And I saw like parts availability because they share
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: so many pieces with the land Cruiser is worldwide and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: these trucks are everywhere. Five sevens are everywhere. Like, let's
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: just take this truck that we have totally. It's got power, comfort,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: air conditioning, heated seats, and enough of a payload that
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: we can work with.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: But a comfortable camper on the back.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is nothing that drives better than a vehicle
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you have paid off. Exactly. It's the truth. A lot
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: lot of worries are just Yeah, your goal is to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: travel the world roll, not to signal that you have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: some fancy new vehicle, exactly.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I guess one of the other things too, is that
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: we're working full time from the road, and that means
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that we need to place to work from the road
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: out of a cramped wage camper that's just big enough
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: for two of us to sit side by side with
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: our arms beside us.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: It was just a little bit too small.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So we figure, if not now, then when decided to
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: make a move and start making some changes.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You're thinking about putting a camper on the back. Yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I know that you have some that you're looking at.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about some of the different options
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that you've considered.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's an O eight Tundra double cab six
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and a half foot box.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: So the payload is around sixteen hundred pounds.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's not a lot. We can definitely work within it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'd rather keep the truck nice in light as possible
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: where we can to improve living space and camping. We
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: don't need a whole bunch of armor, we don't need
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of extra accessories. And we already had
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: like all of our camping gear is lightweight camping gear anyway,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So we had like our Elinox chairs and if we're
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: bringing camping like trekking gear with us, it's like weight
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: MSR pieces and all these things. So we will try
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to keep weight as low as possible where we can
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and then just utilize it where we want it the most.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So we have a MIT's alloy tray flatbed coming for it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: What is that a swap? As far as weight does
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: it weigh about the same.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: It's about the same.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: So that's impressive.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was the lightest tray that we could
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: find sure that was going to be here this year.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: We talked to the guys down at MITZ and they
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: are sending up eighty inch by eighty inch footprint on
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the flatbed. I think it'll end up weighing slightly more
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: than the bet of the truck, But on paper it doesn't.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Does it have boxes?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It does, so it comes with boxes on the sides.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Got the trundle drawer out back. Also a water tank
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that you could use. We'll see where the weight comes in,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like once it's actually here and installed, because the side boxes.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Are really nice.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: But rear drawer, if you know, if we need to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: save the weight to get and get rid of the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: rear dower, we definitely will.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would probably save thirty forty fifty pounds or so,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: It adds up very fast.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And then you can remove the tailgate and it's surprising
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: how much tailgates weigh, Like I did that with the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: AT four to get under payload with the scout camper.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You know, the tailgate weighs almost ninety pounds. Yeah, very
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: very heavy. Now this one flips and opens and transforms
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and everything else, which is why it weigh so much,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of electric actuators and everything in it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But you take it out and it makes a big difference.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, The other way we're saving weight is we're going
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to remove some well doesn't gain us any payload, but
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: we have some CBI off road skid plates and mid
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and those are one hundred and seventy five pounds. The
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: truck isn't really used for technical off roading, and those
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: are really just for emergencies or sure like a whoops situation.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to remove those.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And I've got a TIERD pro aluminum front skid plate
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: twenty five and a half pounds or twenty seven pounds.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really just want to protect the radiator and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: all of those lower components.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly so, and it doesn't have to be durable because
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it's there just in case, so it doesn't have to
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: withstand a whole bunch of abuse from rocks over and
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: over again. So we're going to pull weight off the truck.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: How about rear seat rear seat? Yeah, well, so we're
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: going to pull out again, Like the sixty percent rear
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: seat gains us a ton more storage back there, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: they're heavy.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: And they're heavy.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: We're going to leave one open again for guides yep,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: just in case we need one. Definitely pulling out that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that one rear seat definitely. I've also considered swapping out
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the front seat because they're full power. Sure, doing like
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a anti Shieldman or something would do a Shilman. Yeah,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: especially a mechanical one lighter, and they're comfortable, super and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: they're so much smaller than the factory seats that are
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: so big and so wide.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: It's like sitting on a couch.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's shocking how much lighter they are. If you weigh
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: factory gx four seventy s then compare it to a Shieldman,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like it's half the weight.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm definitely not against saving weight that way.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I've looked at doing a Magna flow exhaust, trying to
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: keep it as quiet as possible because I don't like
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: any drone whatsoever. But you know, if I can save
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: ten fifteen pounds here and there, yeah, we'll definitely do it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, And then you've been looking
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: at a couple different kinds of campers. Yeah, and what
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: are some things that you're.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Looking at in the driveway or the parking lot behind
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: us we're taking out when a Mario from at Overland
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: is a tear camper for the next couple of nights,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: get a feel for that, and sure that fits us.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I love that it's twelve hundred pounds or so.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hard sided camper, no need to set
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: up anything. You just park and you walk inside and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: you go to sleep, or you make your food or
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: what you need to do. Just the simplicity so well
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: thought out, you can tell it. Maris countless nights out
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: in the wilderness in different types of campers to be
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: able to design something that's well laid out, well thought out,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: well designed on the engineering side of things, all while
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: keeping the weight down. Sure, so it's been a you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: can see like the twinkle in his eye when he
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: talks about it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he's pretty passionate about the project.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna take a look at that and actually
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: get a feel for it over the next couple of nights.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I think the camper itself was designed by Dave Sosa.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Dave Sosa, Yeah, yeah, from Arctic Tern, and he's also
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: spent so many nights camping and has built his own
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So I think that that collaboration between Mario and David
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: was just really awesome.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really paid off. It's a pretty cool camper.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: We're looking forward to just actually spend some time in
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it and see if it suits us. Yeah, and we
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: also spend a lot of time at Overland Explorer vehicles
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: up in Red Deer, Alberta. It's a nice hour and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a half drive from where we're staying right now in Calgary.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And same thing.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Mark and Arnold have spent a lot of time in
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the oil industry designing trucks, and then they moved into
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a eventually into more of a recreational vehicle build for
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a long time, and now they're just really focusing on
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: truck campers. They again talking about passion on about engineering.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: You can see it'rilling right down into the construction methods
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: for their campers to make sure that they withstand abuse
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and vibrations and all the things that you know Overlander
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: puts through for sure, amper.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it looks like it's you know, with the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: composite sides, and then you end up with a lower
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: overall height, might even be able to still fit it
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: into a high boy container.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because those ones are pop up correct. Sure.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that composite build means that it's our values quite high.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: So it works a lot better as a three plus
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: season camp sure, for sure. And for us, we've spent
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: plenty winter nights in a gofast camper with our diesel
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: heater cranked, so sure it feels like that's the oev
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: ones are a good four season camper for us as well.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And then of course there's the classic four
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: wheel camper available, and you see those very common on
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: on the tundrius because they're fairly light and you could
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: just do it as a standard slide in without having
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to remove the bed. That's certainly an option, and it
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: sounds like that there's go Fast that they people can
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: now sign up for to get on a tundra. There
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: are other options, and then of course you could talk
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: with at Overland about their habitat or their summit or
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: their at LIS. There's a bunch of different configurations.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: The Scout campers are a couple a couple of Scout
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: models that we work perfectly fine for a tundra as well.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen quite a few, actually quite a few
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Scouts on tundras. I think it's a pretty good pairing,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: especially if you go with a little bit shorter unit
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: than the weights even less.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I think the Olympic is the mid size and Yoho
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I've seen as well. Yeah, but it's kind of hard
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to beat that for something they gets used a handful
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: of times a year.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're very reasonably priced. They just they don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: have a lot of amenities. They're just designed to be
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: super simple, which is why I use one because I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: just wanted a really comfortable, quiet place to sleep.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So, because you don't want to be fixing your camp Yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that's our troubleshooting components.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And yeah, when you test campers for a living, you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: pick the one that you don't have to work on. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that's been my job. That's been my conclusion is like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I never I've never had to even turn a screw
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: on that thing. It's just been flawless. That's great because
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: there's nothing, nothing really to go wrong. When you look
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: at your suspension going forward, what are you thinking, Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: how are you going to manage that weight?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: We had, Yeah, the Fox two point five Factory Race
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: series with DSc so a really nice performance shock, but
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: just the amount of meetenance that was required, especially up
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: in race suspension shaft and they were designed and developed
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: down down here in the Southwest Baja, nice and dry,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: there's no snow there's no winter. Sure, after a couple
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: about Burda winters with like you know, salt and all
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the other CROs of things that are throwing on the
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: road for traction, all the spherical bearings get eaten up
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Unit balls you need to be replace that's in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the upper control arm.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: At least.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of problems is with like the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: rear shocks, with the shock shafts originally not putting on
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a shield shield or boots on the back. You know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: after thirty forty thousand kilometers of bad roads, those shafts
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: just got eaten up. So I rebuilt the rear shocks.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: The front shocks needed a little bit of nitrogen here
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and there. I thought it was uncommon until I actually
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: read the instructions and you see in the Fox Service
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: interval matrix it's like, okay, check your nitrid in every
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: ten thousand kilometers.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Sure, okay, good to know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: On a long term, long travel build that we're going
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to be traveling. We know how many countries. Hopefully. We
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: decided that something that required a lot less maintenance would
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: be the smarter move. We just installed some old MANUMUBP
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: fifty ones front and rear. In the back we are
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: we currently have the old Man and Me medium duty springs,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: but on the shelf in storage, we've got some divers
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that were custom made for so when we can max
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: out the payload. And that's what that was the explanation
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I had with them with Scott down there. There's no
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: way we're not maxing out this GVW. Sure assume that
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: this is the weight that we're going to be going with.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: We assume we're going to have an added fifteen to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: sixteen hundred pounds in the truck. Sure, so we'll have
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that to cover that. I also included some timber and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: ses bump stops front and rear, so you know, if
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the springs settle in the future, or if there's a
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: point when we were like fully topped up with water
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and fuel and we like slightly going over GBW, that
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: those are there to help control sway and bump stop compression.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What I really noticed is that they help to accelerate
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the vehicle on a big event. So when you come
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: into a big event, they just do a really good
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: job of slowing things down so you don't get such
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a hard bottom.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly the factory rubber bomb stops are so harsh on
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: bottom of or the first time I've kind of gone,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I went over a few g outs with that. We
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: had the active off road bump stops originally on that truck.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Go over a couple of big g outs and it
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just soaks it up nicely. I was sold.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they work really great. And another thing that I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: really like about the BP fifty ones that's unusual. So
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: they not only have compression and rebound adjustment, also internally bypassed,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: which is like a raptor shock. There's not anything else
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: out there from the aftermarket that I've seen that's just
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: like that. So to get the improved durability of you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: they address the durability concerns around oilover suspension high performance
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: coil over suspension. But then I really like to be
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: able to adjust for rebound and I really like the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: fact that as it moves through the shock travel that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: it does have the internal bypasses, so that way it
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: can be a lot more comfortable in smaller events or
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: in you know, during the first inch or so of travel,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it can start to change those journals as you go
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: through the shock travel to really help control the vehicle,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: which I think it makes a big difference.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially when we're increasing the spring rate so
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: much in the rear at least of the truck, that
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: being able to control that rebound when that spring on loads.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Is very very important.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: You want to be able to control all of that weight,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: not only the weight of the camper and all these
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: accessories that you're adding, the weight of the larger diameter
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: tire and the heavier wheel, all of that suspension rebound
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's being baked into the spring rate. Yeah, that certainly
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to have that kind of controllability.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I have found on the BP fifty ones that it's
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: good to exercise those rings.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Regularly, keep them clean as well.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Correct so they can get a little gummed up. I
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: know that they've done some things to improve that quite
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a bit, but it's just it's important to remember that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you don't kind of want to set it and forget it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You want to set it and then with some regularity
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: put it into your inspection sequence that you use for
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: your vehicle when you're traveling, that every time you do
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it oil change, you're going to do, you know, three
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: clicks to the right and three clicks back to the left.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So that way those things stay freed out to be
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: adjustable when you want to adjust them exactly.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: The other thing I've done for suspension is I've gone
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: from the factory front swaybar to a TRT swaybar upfront
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit larger diameter, and then installing a hell.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Wake swaybar out back. Oh interesting, I just to help.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Manage a sway so that the shock doesn't have to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: chocks and springs don't have to do.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: That work, especially if you have long travel days there's
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you're moving back and forth between drivers. I think at
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a bigger sway bar does make a lot of sense. Yeah,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I prefer to not have them. There's some consequences if
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you don't, if you're not able to bring all the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: drivers that might drive the truck up to speed on
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: how to handle that exactly.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We have no sway bars in in our pickup. Yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: and it moves around a lot. So for somebody you
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: hopping into that truck who is not aware what's going
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: on when you take that first corner, that's a.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my that's my thought is you've got the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: vehicle in for service somewhere in the world and they
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: go to take it out for a test drive and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: sway bars aren't on there, and hello.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: My thinking too was that with that front rear swaybar
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and see where the weight ends up with the camper
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and what you go with. And then in the end,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: if we don't need that rear sway bar, probably that'd
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: be the first one to go go from there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: One thing that I like to do is to make
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the vehicle a little more neutral, because the heavier we
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: go with the front swaybar and ice waybar, the more
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the vehicle will push and understeer, which I don't tend
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to like. So I like to make them a little
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: more neutral by actually lightening the front swaybar and then
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: stiffening the rear and ice waybar. And in fact, on
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: my Tacoma I removed the front and iceway bar completely
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and put on a fairly heavy rear swaybar. Then I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: got a lot of articulation out of the front and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it kind of drove like a mid engine sports car.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was better for.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Worse, it was, yeah, I mean, which meant when it
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: did step out, it was thrilling, but it would hold
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the line impressively up to that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Point exactly, and I think that you can definitely see
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: why the factor does it one way because understeer is
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: very predictable.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they would rather, oh totally, they would rather
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the operator end up in the ditch than on the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: other rotate roll or end up on the other side
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of the road or off the cliff or whatever. Yeah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they want you just to push. You push through the corner,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: which is much safer because then you got crumple zones,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: air bags and whatever you hit when you drive into it,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: more so than rolling. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, So it's
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: much safer to have understeer than oversteer or a mixed
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: bag of drivers for sure. Well, that's an exciting build.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: That'll be really fun to see. Come together and talk
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: to us a little bit about how you plan to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: tell the story of that project.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I have filmed and I've written i think the first
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: three articles for Expedition Portal on for the Expedition Portal's
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel, So we'll have an intro to the truck.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: The next one will be either a BP fifty one
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: install or the long range field tank from transfer Flow.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: All those are filmed and photographed and ready to go.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Nice after that We're gonna have to see, but my
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: assumption is going to be that MIT's alloy flatbed. I've
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: got a different wheel, entire combination going on. Yeah, traverse
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: HD from fifteen fifty two going on the truck and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Toyot eight three in the thirty five twelve fifty seventeen.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Nice because I've got much trains on it now and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: just lightening up the wait a little bit is key.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Plus with the tire that's on the truck year round,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: having an all terrain that's totally it has that I
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: can drive in the snow and the ice and have
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: some semblance of control is key.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt that a mud train looks great.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: But for any scenario I've ever encountered. Yeah, you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: just all trains, trains are king.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Of course, I don't have any wood to knock on
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: over here, but like I've had really really good luck
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: with all trains.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I know.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: The ones on the like the ones on.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: The pickup we have used pretty badly in in Baja
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and the eighty three, so they just keep going.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're not in mud, you're not mud. In
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: mud A lot I avoid it for the mud terrain exactly. Well,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that's going to be really fun to watch the Gen
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: two Tundras. They were built in huge numbers and they're
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: all over out there in great condition. That that motor
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: is designed to run for a half a million miles
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and people will get that out of them. It's just
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: unbelievable to see. There's several million mile tundras on the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: road that have been covered in editorial. In fact, tim
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Estradhal did a nice video on that. It's just like,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: here's enough, like he's found several million mile tundras that
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: have been you know, us for delivery vehicles and stuff
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like that, which brings us to the fact that we
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: just had a change with the Tundra. So we've gone
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: from Gen two to Gen three Gen three Tundra. They're
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: just now getting out there. Some of you listening may
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: even own one and have started to drive one. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: was fortunate to have been able to drive both the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I Force and the I Force Max powertrains in all
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the different configurations, including the TRD Pro variant. There are
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: some really important updates with this newest vehicle. Significant improvement
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: in fuel economy, significant improvement in high speed handling, and predictability,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and then a significant improvement in off road performance with
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the addition of the rear locking differential, and in the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: case of the TRD Pro, you actually have another inch
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: inch and a half of lift in the front, so
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in a larger diameter tire. We do know about the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: new generation Tundras that they are incorporating what they call
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: their three hundred series or their G chassis, which is
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: this chassis that's being used in the Lex six hundred,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it's being used in the a new land Cruiser three
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: hundred series, it's being used in the Tundra, and it's
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: also being used in the Sequoia, and rumors are that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it's going to be used in something other that's very
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: interesting that's going to be coming out soon. This new
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: platform is designed around a solid axle five link or
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: suspension configuration, which I'm so excited to see because the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: rams have just been awesome with that five link in
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the rear. To have a coil sprung suspension, I mean,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: just the way that it handles is such a departure
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: from the previous generation, and the chassis is much stiffer
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: as well. One of the early complaints with the Gen
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: two Tundra was there was a lot of beaming effect,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: particularly in the longer variants. So if you ended up
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: with a four door with a six and a half
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: foot bed, there was a ton of beaming effect in
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that Tundra that you really noticed in a lot of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of movement in the frame could even result
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: in some bed to body contact.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: There's a good, good video online about that camera what
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: was called but yeah, fun to watch. Well, what do
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: you think of the new Gen three Tundra When you
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: see it and look at the spe it's very exciting.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: They look great in person. I've never driven one. I've
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: only ever been in a three hundred series land Cruisers.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: That's like my only comparison.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: It'll drive very slight.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to get behind the wheel. I love the
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I Force Max hybrid.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Oh it's fast. Because that's fast.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: That's essentially the same power output as like a five
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: point seven Leader or the Supercharger. Yep, it's fast and
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you're getting better feel economy because of it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: It's crazy too, like going around in a parking lot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And because it's a hybrid, like it's just like this
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: super Ninja stealthy done makes no noise, going around. I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: mean I miss I miss some of that growl of
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the V eight. So this is funny because I got
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: totally punked by Toyota because I'm driving this thing, the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: TRD Pro, and I'm like, this really sounds good. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: get this thing sounds healthy. I mean it's like the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: V six and it's twin turbo and it's three point
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: five liter twin turbo. They got this exhaust on there
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and everything. I'm like, this thing sounds really really good.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And then I start talking to one of the engineers
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and I won't name them just in case, but actually
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: pipe in the sound, yeah, through the stereo system. Since
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I was totally punk I'm like, I was, this thing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: sounds so good, sounds so good, but it's actually like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: artificial V.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Eight ish, and all of a sudden, it didn't sound
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: so good.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: No, It's sounded sounded like disappointment. It's like it's like
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: eating kale. I didn't sign up for eating kale. I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: have want to know who's trying to feed you kale.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: But also I get the point. Yes, yeah, it's like, well,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: kale tastes like sadness, and that's what that fake V
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: eight sounded like. With sadness.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: That's like a Kale Caesar sound.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: You know, exactly exactly. I didn't sign up for that,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: but no, the truck overall is excellent. You have to
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: look for something to complain about on that vehicle because
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: it's really good and all of the off road tuning
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: for so, it's got crawl control, it's got the modern
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: version of a track, which is when you go into
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: crawl control, and if you're in rock mode on the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: multi terrain select, the break tracks control is exceptional. I mean,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: most of the time you're not going to need a locker,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: but if you want it, it's got the magic button
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and you can find it on all of the variants.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: So if you wanted to get an SR five TRD
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: package truck to maximize payload, you can get close to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: two thousand pounds of payload in that variant. So it's
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a pretty minimalist truck. It doesn't have the I Force
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Max and it doesn't have all that other stuff, but
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you can get a rare locker out of it, and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: then you can put your own suspension on there, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: you put your own tires and wheels and everything else.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: But at least you got the magic button in the back.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, save your money up front and then totally.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: That is not to take anything away from just the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: IE Force engine itself. I mean fantastic fuel economy given
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the size of the vehicle, but that I Force Max
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: to be able to push, you know, up well into
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the twenties als per gallon in the city is really impressive.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: That's huge. It's a big change.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: It is, and it's fast.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it scoots, yeah, and what kind of payload
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: capacity like a well equipped I Force.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That's that's the problem is you start with the TRD PRO.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Now they've since revised some numbers where they call it
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a sixteen hundred pound payload now, but some of the
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: earlier ones that I saw were in the thirteen fifties
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: or so. But they do have a revised payload number
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: for the TRD Pro at sixteen hundred pounds. So that's great,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: huge gratitude to Toyota for paying attention to that, because
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: people are going to want to modify them, they're going
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to want to put stuff in them, So sixteen hundred
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: pounds is a good starting point. It gets closer to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that number, like our expectation around half ton trucks is
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: right at that eighteen hundred pound mark. Anything less than
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that we think it's a compromise. But sixteen hundred pounds
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: is close. And there are variants that you can get
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: into that eighteen hundred pound range, so SR five for example,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: World Drive. But if you get into like a seventeen
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: ninety four or you get into a Platinum, you start
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: seeing that twelve hundred pound thirteen hundred pound payload.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Number.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Part of the reason why it's so concerning in a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: full sized truck is that this thing is designed to
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: toe twelve thousand pounds. So if you tow a twelve
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: thousand pound trailer, you're going to have five six seven
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: hundred pound tongue weight. So if you have a thirteen
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: hundred pound payload and you've now put a seven hundred
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: pound tongue weight on it, you've got less than seven
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds. You got to small friends, You got to
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: have really small friends, and not bring You can't bring
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the cooler, you can't put anything in the bed. You know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like everybody's got to go on a diet.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Everything's going in the trailer. That's right, ye dog, Yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: you don't please on.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: So that's where you really start to run into the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: limitations of payload. Is once you once you've got this
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: awesome toin capability, which it has, it's really great and
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: it toes so nice. Once you add a you know
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that five six seven hundred pound tongue weight you just
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you've that comes right against payload. So it's an impact
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: to that. But the Gen three Tundra is really exciting.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: They don't take a lot, they don't need a lot
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of modification to do a great job. We're going to
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: see a lot of aftermarket support come out from that
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: because it's a shared platform across so many different models.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: So we're going to see some awesome suspension stuff, no doubt.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to see things that are going to address
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like progressive rate coils in the rear. You
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: can in certain configurations get an airbag suspension in the back,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: which is also very clever. You just can't get it
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: on the TRD pro makes sense. I guess they're really
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: focusing on the performance shock yep. And what's do you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: know what the performance shock packages for the TiVo. It
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: is a Fox box shock. It's great, It's it's very
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: very good.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: They did a really nice job that additional compression travel
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: makes a big difference. Well, we have to bring it
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: up and it's not intended to like just pick at tundra,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But the lack of front toe hooks I think is
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: something that people need to be aware of. There is
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: not a provision. There's not only not toehooks, but there's
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: not a way to connect toehoks in their current configuration.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So you're going to need to look for something like
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: a fully integrated bumper system like when ARB comes out
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: with THEIRS. You're going to be looking at something that
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: has a cross member and has a bunch of additional
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: structure that's going to be able to afford you with
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: a recovery point because right now, the only way you
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: can conduct a Toyota communication on a recovery from the
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: front you have to use a transit buster or a
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: jayhook into the cross member of the arms.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Interesting and not interesting in a good way.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if anybody's ever gotten stuck in mud trying
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: to get yes like that is not going to be
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: super happy about your purchase if that's what you got
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: to do. So there's just no other way to hook
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Interesting Gable. Hopefully they'll address that sooner than there.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure that they will. There were reasons
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: for it around pedestrian safety and all kinds of other
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: things that Toyota cares about, and that makes a lot
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: of sense. It'll be important for the aftermarket or TRD
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: as an aftermarket entity to offer some solutions for front
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: recovery points because even tundras get stuck. So happened, It's happened.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't need to talk about stories. Yeah, oh man,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the number of times I've been stuck learning experiences. I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: love it. It's all part of the adventure. So we're
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: going to see a lot coming out on Gen three,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: which is really exciting. So we would encourage you all
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to take a look at If you're looking at it
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: moving to a full sized truck and you just love
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the Toyota brand and you want to see what's available,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: go drive them all. Go drive all three and kind
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of see which one best fits your needs and your budget,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: because they really are a great solution. You do need
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: to keep them light because they are half ton trucks.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: So I know it's it's like when we get our
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: first Toyota, we always like kind of throw away the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: payload card, but it'd be good for us to be
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: mindful of what the vehicle's intended for. So tundras are
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: half ton vehicles, so you need to be mindful of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: what you put in them.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're looking for a small truck that
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: still has the payload, and you're regionally looking at of Tacoma,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: first gen tundras are the good option totally.
• 58:04
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely a few hundred extra pounds of payload More power
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: more smiles.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: And for those that are listening, if you've got a tundra,
• 59:05
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• 59:08
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• 59:10
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• 59:28
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• 59:30
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• 59:33
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• 59:34
  Speaker 2: And I would say actually, when you're out adventuring and
• 59:36
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• 59:39
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• 59:42
  Speaker 2: those getting selected for like a little feature in the journal.
• 59:45
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• 59:49
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• 59:52
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• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And Richard, how do people find out more about what
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: you and Ashley are up to with your new Gen
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: two Tundra.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now you won't find anything because nothing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: has been announced or published.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: You've heard it first here exactly.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I've been too busy covered in Greece and I actually
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: pour fifteen the frame recently.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big job. I still am tattooed a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: little bit from it.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Weeks later, most likely you'll see it on Instagram at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Deskin Glory, and then it'll slowly over time show up
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: on Expedition Portal through articles and the Expedition Portal YouTube channel.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Well, Richard, thanks so much for your time and sharing
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: this exciting news about your Gen two Tundra. I cannot
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: wait to see where you're going to take this truck.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I know that you've got some really exciting ideas about
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: where you want to take it in the world. And
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: believe me when we tell you, guys, this is going
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to be someplace awesome that they're going to go. We
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: don't know yet, but well, where you've talked fun, where
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: you've talked about sounds absolutely wonderful and we can't wait
• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:56
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