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May Overland News :: The Big Thing, New Project Vehicles, and Tariffs · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I'm joined today by my co host
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  Speaker 1: Brian mcpickers. So this is going to be our May
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  Speaker 1: Overland News episode where we're going to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: recent Overland Expo in southern California. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the new big thing from X Overland Ranch. We're
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  Speaker 1: also going to talk about a bunch of the new
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  Speaker 1: cool products on the market today, some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that we're working on, some of our project vehicles. I
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  Speaker 1: And where are we? Where are we at.
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  Speaker 2: Sunny Beachy, Daytona Beach, Florida. We're at the Jeep Beach
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five event. We're down here with Hancook Tire
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  Speaker 2: and it's at the International Speedway.
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  Speaker 3: On International Speedway. We ought to the Motorsports Museum is
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  Speaker 3: really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of Ivan man Stewart's stadium trucks was on
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  Speaker 1: display at that museum and still Guy's legend legend.
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  Speaker 3: And the hornet was there too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a really neat museum and it was just
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  Speaker 1: cool to see how they started the original Daytona races
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  Speaker 1: where half of the race was on the beach, right
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  Speaker 1: out on the beach.
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  Speaker 4: Incredible.
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  Speaker 1: One of the fastest land speed records was done at
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy miles an hour.
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  Speaker 3: It was neat to see there.
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  Speaker 2: There was a list where the first speed record was
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  Speaker 2: like sixty seven miles there and then it went all
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  Speaker 2: the way up and add two.
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  Speaker 3: Hundred miles to that.
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  Speaker 4: That was only like twenty five years later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the amount of advancement that we saw,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're experiencing right now with technology and AI.
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  Speaker 1: It's this explosion of technology that's really upending a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the things as we know.
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  Speaker 2: It got a lot of great photos that we should
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  Speaker 2: put into the video too.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure they were trying everything back then.
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  Speaker 3: Just now.
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  Speaker 1: I was just reading this morning in the news. But
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  Speaker 1: like Waimo, we're all familiar with those driverless taxi cars
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  Speaker 1: that we have in Phoenix and they're in a couple
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  Speaker 1: other markets, but they've just hit a quarter million rides,
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  Speaker 1: so it's just before you know it, most taxis are
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  Speaker 1: going to be driverlests. So a lot of changes are happening.
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  Speaker 1: That new Slate electric vehicle was just announced, so there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a sub twenty thousand dollars. It's a pickup
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  Speaker 1: that converts into an suv.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at that pretty closely, it's an amazing concept. And
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  Speaker 2: they say that after the current if you use the
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  Speaker 2: current tax credits, it would bring it under twenty thousand.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's right through in a reservation for one,
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  Speaker 1: because like it would be a perfect vehicle for us
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  Speaker 1: to run around and prescott. Yeah, and they've got lift
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  Speaker 1: kits for it. It is only a rear wul drive,
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  Speaker 1: but that sounds fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, true.
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  Speaker 2: So it's nice to see two years ago Toyota launched
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  Speaker 2: that ten thousand dollars pickup alter the markets, right, and
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  Speaker 2: we just don't have anything like that here in the
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  Speaker 2: United States. So this is a perfect solution, right. It's
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  Speaker 2: all electrics, will have some limitations maybe at two hundred
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  Speaker 2: mile range. It's nice to see these lower cost solutions
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  Speaker 2: coming to market.
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  Speaker 1: That's why the Ford Maverick has done so well is
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  Speaker 1: because it's this small, compact, inexpensive pickup and now they've
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  Speaker 1: got it with pretty decent ful drive capability. I just
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  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the coolest trucks.
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  Speaker 3: I like the market website.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the Maverick, they have a graphic on their
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  Speaker 2: website where the size of the slate pickup truck oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: is overlaid with some other popular creation.
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  Speaker 3: So they have a Ford f.
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  Speaker 2: One fifty and it's maybe half the size, sure, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just smaller than a Ford Maverick, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: larger than like a nineteen eighty five Toyota pickup truck.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's going to be nice and I think I.
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  Speaker 1: Think a lot of people want something like that. And
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  Speaker 1: the fact that you can throw a top on it
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  Speaker 1: converted into an suv in a matter of an hour,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it's neat to see all of
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  Speaker 1: this coming around in my mind. Let's talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about the Overland Expo Southern California. It seemed like
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  Speaker 1: that the event was well at It was.
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  Speaker 2: A great first time event. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: contributing factors to that, I believe one I think the
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  Speaker 2: leading factor is they positioned an event in one of
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  Speaker 2: the largest population hubs.
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  Speaker 3: Of the United States, in LA.
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  Speaker 2: They saw fifteen thousand attendees in the first day. So
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  Speaker 2: that's more attendees than all of Mountain West.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So the biggest Mountain West event that they've ever had.
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  Speaker 2: It surpassed those numbers just in the first day. So
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  Speaker 2: fifteen thousand or so the first day. The second day
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  Speaker 2: was a Sunday, it tapered off a bit. There was
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  Speaker 2: maybe five thousand attendees the second but overall a very
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  Speaker 2: successful event, and it was also the first major event
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  Speaker 2: of the season. With that LA location, they not only
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  Speaker 2: have a population hub for attendees, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of off road, vehicle centric and overland type companies in
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  Speaker 2: southern California.
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  Speaker 1: California this week just surpassed Japan and is now the
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  Speaker 1: fourth largest economy in the world.
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  Speaker 4: California has a larger economy than Japan.
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  Speaker 2: It was interesting where at the time when the event
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  Speaker 2: took place, we had a lot of concerns on tariffs
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  Speaker 2: and new government happenings gaining momentum, and so the talk
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  Speaker 2: on the show floor was a little bit of concern
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  Speaker 2: about consumer response and consumer behavior. But if you took
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  Speaker 2: a step back and you actually watched what was happening,
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  Speaker 2: there were families with these collapsible wagons full of products
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  Speaker 2: and they were going from booth to booth and just
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  Speaker 2: grabbing up product. There were a lot of show specials
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  Speaker 2: going on. I would look at some of the cards
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  Speaker 2: and there was an idea of how much things cost.
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  Speaker 2: These little wagons are hauling around one to two thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars and little things for their vehicles I did notice
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  Speaker 2: that on the last day of the event there were
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  Speaker 2: a couple of vendors that had very deep discounts, as
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  Speaker 2: much as fifty percent, And I think that was a
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  Speaker 2: juggle of do we pay the staff over time to
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  Speaker 2: put it back on the truck and then wear house it,
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  Speaker 2: or do we just let it go at fifty percent
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  Speaker 2: off and make the consumer really excited about the brand.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's one of those last minute decisions at
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  Speaker 3: a show.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the tariffs are really important to
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  Speaker 1: disclose right now. This is not at all about politics,
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  Speaker 1: because tariffs have been used throughout the millennia.
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  Speaker 3: It's about economy.
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  Speaker 1: It's about economy, and it's also we're concerned about advertisers,
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  Speaker 1: our partners in the industry making sure that they have
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  Speaker 1: ways to navigate that help them navigate that. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of these companies do bring in product from other countries,
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  Speaker 1: and we've just in the last couple of days here
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  Speaker 1: at Geepeach, we've had some conversations with companies that are
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  Speaker 1: they're really trying to figure out how to communicate with
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  Speaker 1: the consumer. And I believe that the important thing is
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  Speaker 1: to focus on your products that represent the least price
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  Speaker 1: sensitive customer, and also the ones that have the larger
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  Speaker 1: margins where you can work with the margin to be
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  Speaker 1: able to maintain that throughput of product to the consumer. So,
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  Speaker 1: for example, if you have an entry level forty nine
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  Speaker 1: dollars option, that's going to be pretty thin on margin,
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  Speaker 1: and it's now going to be maybe one hundred dollars item,
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  Speaker 1: whereas if you have a two hundred dollars equivalent or
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  Speaker 1: a three hundred dollars equivalent, now maybe it only needs
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  Speaker 1: to go up to four hundred or five hundred, and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to already be a more affluent customer and
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  Speaker 1: they'll be a little bit less price sensitive to the increases.
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  Speaker 1: I do suspect that, based on what we're seeing, that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this tariff stuff will be resolved in
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  Speaker 1: the next month or so. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this is going to come down. There's going to end
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  Speaker 1: up being a happy medium. Certainly, some things may be
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  Speaker 1: more expensive from China, but in general, I think they're
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  Speaker 1: going to work it out.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of negotiation happening on that side of things.
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  Speaker 2: We've always known the overland consumer because of the research
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  Speaker 2: that we do on our audience. We've always known that
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  Speaker 2: the overlayth consumer is much more interested in finding a
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  Speaker 2: high quality product solution to their needs, and they're less
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  Speaker 2: price sensitive. So if the product, if it costs fifty
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  Speaker 2: dollars more or one hundred dollars more, but it still
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  Speaker 2: provides the highest quality solution for their needs, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to buy it. So, you know, if I think we're
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  Speaker 2: going to see the impact more on the day to
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  Speaker 2: day grocery store visits, in your general household stuff, I
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  Speaker 2: think when you're in.
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  Speaker 4: Your general Amazon purchases, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Think if you're in the category of buying any product
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  Speaker 2: for whatever your primary passion activity is, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: do that one way or the other. There's been a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interesting just observations. We talk to a company
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  Speaker 2: the other day that they figured out this little loophole
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  Speaker 2: where if you I think it was eight hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty dollars orders or less direct from the factory, where
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  Speaker 2: they were free tariff free, that's right, And so they
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  Speaker 2: would work with their customers to get the product drop
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  Speaker 2: ship directly from the factory to their homes for anything
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  Speaker 2: under eight hundred dollars and they didn't have to pay
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  Speaker 2: terra side. But then on the other side, we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: big companies. Two come to mind, one from the automotive segment.
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  Speaker 2: So Ineos just put out their CEO put out a
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  Speaker 2: letter maybe three weeks ago that was very open and
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  Speaker 2: very understanding to the consumer, saying at the time their
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  Speaker 2: tariff had gone up by twenty five or thirty percent,
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  Speaker 2: and they basically said, listen, ten percent on the SUV,
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  Speaker 2: right on the Grenadier, and then we can absorb five
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  Speaker 2: percent on a Quartermaster because of the chicken tax makes
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit more expensive. So they could They
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  Speaker 2: were like, we're going to work with you as much
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  Speaker 2: as possible, but the prices are going to go up
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  Speaker 2: on new orders. Any orders before the date are preserved
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  Speaker 2: of pricing. Another similar situation was just this week Black
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  Speaker 2: Diamond Equipment that makes a lot of outdoor gear kind
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  Speaker 2: of mountain the sport it's climbing. They basically went public
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  Speaker 2: and said, our prices are going up twenty five percent. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we have to pass along in the tariff. Nothing we
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  Speaker 2: can do about it. The margins aren't there, And I
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  Speaker 2: think the misconception, I think is a lot of general
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  Speaker 2: consumers think that there must be a one hundred to
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  Speaker 2: two hundred percent profit margin in products from these companies,
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  Speaker 2: and there really isn't And by the time it goes
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  Speaker 2: from cost of production to wholesale to a retailer, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking maybe twenty points thirty points. When you add those
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  Speaker 2: big chunky tariffs on top, it really costs the manufacture
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  Speaker 2: of the parent brands quite.
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  Speaker 3: A significant point.
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  Speaker 1: Like worn winches are made in the United States, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have tariffs coming in on some of their
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  Speaker 1: raw materials. Some of their components does get passed through,
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to be less impacted.
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  Speaker 3: Box is another example.
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  Speaker 1: Red Ox is a great example made in the US. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some of their raw materials will probably go up, but
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  Speaker 1: that's because they're actually sown here in the US, where
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  Speaker 1: a lot of labor force exists.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of companies out there's quite a long list
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  Speaker 2: of companies that are made in the United States in
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  Speaker 2: the outdoor industry and the overland segment.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's just the content that comes from other countries.
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  Speaker 1: But so the tariffs are something that we're aware of.
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  Speaker 1: We know it's going to affect the industry. Companies are
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  Speaker 1: struggling or they're trying to figure out how to find
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  Speaker 1: a solution to improve their communication to their customers.
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  Speaker 4: Please reach out to us.
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  Speaker 1: We want to help the industry while we're navigating through
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  Speaker 1: all of this together. If there's anything that we can
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  Speaker 1: do to support you, please let us know.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely not from a brand perspective. For those manufacturers,
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  Speaker 2: there's a tendency to want to retract. Yeah, you come
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  Speaker 2: in at these difficult times and you could bring everything
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  Speaker 2: close to the best and you home your down any
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  Speaker 2: way for the storm to blow over. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, that's a great time to be very forward
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  Speaker 2: in your communication to the media, to the consumer, reminding
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  Speaker 2: them that your company and your brand and your product
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  Speaker 2: line exists as a solution.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but definitely don't retrack.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you'd have to spend a tremendous amount of
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  Speaker 2: money on advertising and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Just send us your press releases, let us know, let
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  Speaker 1: us know what you're doing, let us know what you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: let us know what your new products are, let us
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  Speaker 1: know how we can help. We just want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that the industry comes out.
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  Speaker 4: The other side in a really healthy way.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to a few companies who are pushing hard
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  Speaker 2: to sell through current inventory, and they're not placing new
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  Speaker 2: orders an interesting insight that we have to wait to
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  Speaker 2: see how it develops. Most lead times from manufacturing side,
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  Speaker 2: are you placed an order and then that product's not
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  Speaker 2: landed back in the US for forty five or sixty days.
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  Speaker 2: So if companies stop placing their orders to the factories,
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  Speaker 2: then we're going to see sixty days.
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  Speaker 3: Are the shelves.
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  Speaker 1: Bears what we saw in COVID and I think that
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  Speaker 1: is what's going We're going to see that to a
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  Speaker 1: degree because the tariffs are going to get worked out.
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  Speaker 1: There is going to be deals made. We know that
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  Speaker 1: from the current administration is that's their intention. I think
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of this will get resolved in the
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  Speaker 1: next sixty to ninety days of I think.
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  Speaker 3: That's more household items.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it also could be a lot of the
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: components that we use, things that are normally on a
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: boat in a container. Right now, let's talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about We've got a new project vehicle that we're
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: working on. We're working on it's like a daily driver Overlander.
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  Speaker 1: It's a four by E Wrangler Sahara, and we put
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: some stuff on it from real truck. We put on
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: a suspension kit from then that's right, and we put
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: it AIRB stubby bumper, AARB stubby bumper on the front.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: We've got some AARB Solas lights. We've got the new
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  Speaker 1: worn Winch on there. Their brand new line of winches,
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  Speaker 1: so we're testing that out here in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: And no Mad wheels.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got Nomad wheels.
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  Speaker 1: And then we got some of the handcook XT tires,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: which the XTEE as a product category is rapidly expanding.
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  Speaker 3: I think everybody's got some sort of an.
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  Speaker 1: XQ offering, and I think for the overlander, the XTA
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  Speaker 1: is really the best option unless you're just going to
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  Speaker 1: be dedicated daily driver and some desert travel. Because the
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  Speaker 1: x TEA has a little bit more open shoulder lug pattern,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to help clear material mud and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: We have deep mud and deep sand, deep sand.
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  Speaker 1: It was really interesting to see this how those outside
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  Speaker 1: lugs were really removing that material. I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: real key attribute. So the XT segment of tires I
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  Speaker 1: think is really exciting and interesting. Some of them are
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  Speaker 1: even mountain snowflake rated, so you end up with truly
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  Speaker 1: a jack of all trades tire. There are still downsides,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more noise with them, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more rolling resistance, so a little bit of an impact
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  Speaker 1: of fuel economy. It's a compromise tire, but they're getting
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  Speaker 1: so good. They're getting so good at it that it's
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  Speaker 1: fun to see those come onto the market. It's fun
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  Speaker 1: to build a wrangler because they're just like, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a soft top for it, and we can drive it around.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's totally in director set.
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  Speaker 2: Like what impressed me about the arb Stubby bumper is
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  Speaker 2: that it looks it fits the vehicle very well, and
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't look it doesn't have that aggressive rock crawler
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  Speaker 2: appearance to.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't have the big stinger off the front of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great way to behead a pedestrian.
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  Speaker 2: I've met the guy who supposedly invented created the first
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: stinger bar. He was rock crawler. He supposedly just welded
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: up this pipe and it just took off.
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  Speaker 4: And they do have their place.
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  Speaker 1: And when we crossed Greenland and Antarctica, it was just
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  Speaker 1: so you wouldn't go in just go nose first into
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  Speaker 1: the crevass. It would actually help catch catch it on
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  Speaker 1: the other end, all right, So that that's a neat
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  Speaker 1: new project that we're working on, So look for some
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  Speaker 1: updates on that we're going to have out in editorial
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  Speaker 1: some videos we're going to be doing on that vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: The four by E is also just such a neat
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  Speaker 1: solution for someone who wants the daily driver benefits of
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: an EV but they still want to be able to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: just hop in their Jeep and go do a long
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: distance trip. I think Jeep has done it better than
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: anybody else, and the four by E Wrangler is the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: most popular plug in hybrid fool drive in the country,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: so I get to use it around town without using
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: any fuel, so it gets twenty eight miles of the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: gallon average, which is amazing for a Wrangler on thirty fives.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I think my favorite Jeep four y E was that
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: we had other grand chair, the trail Hawk grand Chair.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Awesome, just awesome car.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that. I also spent quite a
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: bit of time in the four by E Wrangler. My
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: favorite part of that was on the longer trips, you
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: can turn the electric power on and off, you can
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: serve it and regenerate to build it up, and then
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: when you get to the trailhead and you're out in
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the mountains up above tree line and you turn the
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: engine off and you just go under electric power. The
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: experience is completely different. Yeah, you hear everything, roll the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: windows down, you hear everything more because the animals aren't
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: scared away swiftly. And actually had a really pleasant interaction
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: with hikers and bikers who are on the same kind
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of a mixed use Colorado trail. And you come around
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a corner and there are people hiking and they'd stop
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and talk and they it was really neat that you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: weren't making any noise.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: It didn't sound like a side by side.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Just screaming look at me. But to have that jeep
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: capability all right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Another cool update, The Overlanding one oh one book is finished.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I'm now an author Simon and Schuster and Adams Media,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: which is one of their subsidiaries. They contracted me for
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a multi book dealer and the first book is Overlanding
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: one oh one. It is really that beginner and intermediate
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: guide to overlanding. It is going to be available for
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: pre sale now. You can go onto Amazon or Barnes
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and Noble and find it for a pre order and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then it will start being sold on the twentieth of May.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: For those of you who live in Prescott, we're going
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to be doing a book signing and a book launch
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: in Prescott with the Peregrine Bookstore. They're in town, so
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: if people want to come by and say hi, if
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you live in town, we'd love to see you for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that on that day. That's a great little bookshop. And yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: support your local bookstores. It's important.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: It's two hundred and eighty pages or so, and it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: like a.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Hybrid hardcover softcover, so they call it a field manual,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: so it's a heavy duty field Take it with your tra.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: You're covering everything from the basic intent of why you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: going to go overlanding to vehicle selection, equipment selection, driving best.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Practices, recovery, also how to plan your first trip, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: then there's a section at the end that starts to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: move into the kind of overlanding two oh one category,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: which is your first international trip and some of the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: international considerations at very high level because obviously they'll be
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the opportunity for more advanced book more advanced volumes in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the future, so that's cool. And it'll be at the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Overland Expo. Those of you who will be at Overland
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Expo in Flagstaff. We're going to have a bunch of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: aer in our booth, even though it's before the launch date,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: but we're really excited about that. We're very grateful that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: such a large publishing house like Simon and Schuster identified
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Overland Journal as the place to author this content and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: make it available to a global audience. So it's going
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to be sold around the world through all of their
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: subsidiaries in different countries.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: That I don't that's an interesting question.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that, but it will be available
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: in Australia, in.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: The UK, it'll be.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Available in South Africa as well. And then I also
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: recorded the audiobook version, so there is an audiobook version
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of the book that is going to be available.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You had to read the entire book.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: It was like doing a podcast for three weeks straight.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: You break it up into chunks and your voice takes
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a hit. And it's also like an interesting exercise in
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: being a writer. So like the next book, I will
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: after I write a paragraph or or after I write
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a chapter, I plan to read it out loud because
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it does help you become a better writer as well.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: So we had to make some edits to the book,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I realized, oh, that sentence is a little too complicated
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to even say, like I was stumbling over my own words.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So it's I could have done a better job of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: some of that process.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: It was a really neat learning process to.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Do, like really long form.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one hundred thousand words and a lot me
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: months and months of work to do, and they're grateful
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to everyone who was supportive through that process. Tavia and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: then Brian Bass let me use his place in Cortula
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in Croatia to start writing the book because I needed
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a quiet space to do that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot in there about our learnings from
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: going around the world. So that's an exciting new development.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The other thing we wanted to talk about, this is
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: really important. Big news is the big thing. So I'm
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: really I'm this is one of the events that I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: most excited about in our segment. So the folks at
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: x Overland Clay and Rachelle, they also operate the ex
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Overland Ranch. They are now going to have a symposium
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and exposition and Overland Rally, if you will, all of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: those things combined into the big event that they're going
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to be putting on this summer. In July tenth through thirteenth,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and it's going to be an emphasis on train education
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: presentations from experienced travelers around the world, So it's really
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: bringing the industry back to this core value of travel.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: There will absolutely be vendors there. There's gonna be lots
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of high quality products represented, but it's the fact that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you can go and get world class training from They're
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: seeking out the best trainers in the world to come
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and present at this event.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And if people aren't familiar with Exoverland Ranch yet, it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: about five hundred and acre range just outside of Bozeman, Montana,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and they've got it's really an amazing destination.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: They've got maybe.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Nine maybe even nine to twelve little cabins that people
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: can rent yep. They've got a main house completely little
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: coffee bar and seating area. Then they've got a big
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: rotunda building where you can do hundreds of people. Considering
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I went there for a vehicle launch media event. We
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: all had dinner inside the rotunda. And then from there,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: it's got a work of floral drive trails throughout the property.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: They've got a pond might even be stocked with fish.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: That opportunity for fishing events there's a shooting range for
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: rifle and pistol. There's places do recovery.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Have test tracks.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They've got test tracks and obstacle courses. It's a great
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: destination for such an event, and the intent with the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: event is really to have a more intimate connection. There's
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of great events on the market right now,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: whether it's the Overland Expo, the more event in the Midwest,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: or the Overland of the America's event in Oklahoma. It's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: going to be a really nice opportunity for vendors to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: have intimate You got educational opportunities with the attendees, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: then the last day it's going to have optional full
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: day training with your own vehicle, which is great because
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you'll have a very well qualified instructors helping you go
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: through your vehicle, learn how to use it, answer all
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: those questions.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. I've not been this excited about
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: an event in a long time. So it's going to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: be one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You're right there on the Missouri River. Those of you
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have ever watched Yellowstone TV show, that's where this is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So it's just an incredible part of the world and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a neat organization that's putting it on.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: So we're excited about that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I think for the industry and for the consumer, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be a complimentary event where these
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: events throughout the country start to compliment one another, different
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: types of experiences, not necessarily trying to replace one another.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're trying to outdo anybody.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: They just want to do their very best version of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: what an overland event should be. And it reminds me
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of the things that we did early on with the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: expedition trophies and the symposiums, and of course when we helped.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Start the first years of the Overland expos and it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Certainly hearkens back to more of that, which is really cool.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: All Right, so let's talk about some of the news
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: product news in the market. Will also dig into a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: couple other projects that we've got coming up. We've got
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: some new Angle fridges and we've got the new Angle
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: fridge slides. Profile super low profile slide is a big
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: thing and it's really robust, super well made. You have
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: one of my very first fridges still in your garage
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: keeping your beer cold.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: It is very old.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: The thing's been running for twenty five years.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the garage and we use it for
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: kind of an overflow beer fridge during the fridge, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: every once in a while we'll throw it in the truck.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: We're trying to test out a lot of newer products too,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: but this thing's been running for it's got to be
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: over twenty years.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that there's a couple of things I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: like about Angles. Best reliability in the industry, no question.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We've tested these things forever, and if you want the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: most reliable fridge, the Angle is the choice. If you
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: want the lowest initial startup amp draw, the Angle is
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: also the best. So because of that swing style motor,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: how that thing works when it kicks on, it pulls
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: thirty percent of the peak amp draw of any of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the other fridges when they run. If you were to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: compare an Angle with a National Luna, the National Luna
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: might actually be a little more efficient over the long haul,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but the Angle will always you'll be able to plug
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it into a standard twelve bolte outlet in any car.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I ran into that issue with the back cargo area
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: twelve volte plug in.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: A Wrangler YEP.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Great example the wiring is just it's an accessory plug, right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and so the wiring gauge that goes all the way
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to the back of the truck was just too small,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: so that plug wasn't being supplied properly for the fridge.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I was using a different fridge and it just wouldn't
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: even start up yep. And then I replaced it with
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: an angle and the angle works every time with that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: low voltage.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm a huge fan of the Angle fridges.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: John Lee at Expedition Exchange has been selling those things forever.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: That was where I bought one of them from early on.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: In fact, to Expedition Exchange is moving from southern California
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to Las Vegas, so I wish John and his team
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: all the success with that. I remember going through that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: site just being in awe. This is when I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: first getting started. Those guys were already at it, so
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: very cool company. I was just at Velocity Restorations. This
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is just a fun little update. Go onto their website.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Go onto Velocity Restorations and take a look at these
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: incredible vehicles. They've got these Ford high Boys that they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: are selling and they are restored to the bolt. So
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: just incredible restorations, all modern drive, air conditioning, traction devices
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and the rear axle. They just and they look incredible.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So I drove with the modern amities a lot of them,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: but it's they're totally legit like classic cars. So that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: was super fun. And then I grabbed one of their
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Broncos and drove that to New Orleans and that was
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: super fun to drive around New Orleans and a classic
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: soft top Bronco and.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Just the number of thumbs up. It's like people.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Identify with that classic car, Classic Americana forward.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: That's my dad.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: When I was growing up, my dad had a nineteen
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: seventy Ford or F two point fifty Camper Special and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that's all my earliest memories was driving around in that truck.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I actually just bought one, So that's going to be
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a new project vehicle for Scotty. I'm going to do
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: some old school overlanding with an old Ford pickup.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: So I'm super excited about that. Not excited about a carburetor, but.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: It's going to be good to tune myself back into
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: one that let's be slowed down a lot, I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so that the velocity stuff is just super sweet. Spider
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: co is another great brand that we've worked with for years.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I've used their knives for years. So what are some
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of the new things they've got coming out with?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So they've got a lot of new things coming out,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but one of the things that I noticed about all
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of their new offerings tend to be lighter weighting. Sure,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: they're going a lot with the durability has always been
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: there with Spider Coat, but the lighterweight options and alternatives
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: are very well thought it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: We've also got some stuff coming in from the Cascadia.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Four by four has these super cool solar panels and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they stick to the hood, right they do?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they stick to the hood, and they've evolved quite
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a bit on how the solar panels stick to the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: hood and can be taken back off, so it's not
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: a permanent insulation. The contour of the panel specific to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the vehicle. So imagine a jeep wrangler with the hood
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: has got the little tie down points for the windshield
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: if you fold it down, and the big windshel the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: wiper s quarters right, and so it's our glass shape
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: right there in the middle, and they make the solar
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: panel to fit right in that little space and really
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: it's I think it's more than anything. It's meant to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: be a trickle charger. Sure, it keeps a battery topped off,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and that's really valuable with a lot of these vehicles
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that we might not be a daily driver, Especially when
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you start to add more systems of these overland trucks,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you get a more risk of parasitic draws things like that,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: where a trickle.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Charger can really just help maintain the power system.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe add a little bit of power for
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: running the fridge and things like that. For sure, that's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a really clever product. I think that would be a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: good fit to that because it's already got two hundred
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: wats of solar on the scout, but then to add
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: another it depends on the size of it, but they
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: could be forty fifty sixty watts of additional power. That's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a nice little bump in total capacity for sure.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: There's a new rooftop tent company called roof Space. They're
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a German company that a quite unique design where it
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: has an end cap and the endcap comes off and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: then the whole thing folds open. So it's just nice
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: cross between a hardshell and the more traditional soft shell design,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but it has a hardshell.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Where you're not fighting with that soft cover bags. Yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: those are tough.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: They're not easy to deal with, especially when you've got
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a balance on the tire. Yeah, the need part is
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that it'll also the cover comes off. The tent itself
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: comes off very easily, so you open it up and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it's you go inside, just like a pretty.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Normal rooftop tent.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: But then you can actually peel back the entire tent
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: enclosure and now you have a rooftop platform.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So if you've got just great scenery, if you're at
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the beach something like that, or even curbside at the
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: soccer game or whatever, you can actually peel that back
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and now you're up on top of the roof with
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: this big balcony so you can enjoy the view.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You can hang out well if there's great weather and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you just want to sleep under the stars, but be
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: not down with the snakes and the creepy colors.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: That's cool.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That's a neat little concept. So then we've also got Wildtop.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Wildtop is a it's a soft truck soft top truck
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: topper for pickup trucks, but it has an internal skeletal
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: frame structure that will carry a load. So it's soft
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: top with bars within it that you can put a
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: rooftop tent or a roof rack with a load on top,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and then the sides roll up and they'll fold.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Up and it would look and it looks like it
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: would just look really handsome on like the back of
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a gladiator. It's it's almost like that classic Defender roll
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: upside soft top look, but on the back of a pickup.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Really h Scott here, I just wanted to take a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: minute to talk a little bit about expedition portal dot com.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Expedition Portal dot com is our website and it's also
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: our community forum. We are celebrating twenty years of expedition
• 33:40
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• 33:44
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  Speaker 1: all the way to some of the favorite campsites and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: adventure stories from the community. We also have the homepage,
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• 34:15
  Speaker 1: portal dot com. We have two to five articles per
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• 34:27
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• 34:31
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• 34:38
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• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is about the material, but
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the material looks iron It looks pretty smooth, whereas some
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  Speaker 2: of the soft tops that you almost get this rubbery material.
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  Speaker 3: These present very cleanly.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of exciting stuff in the market. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of innovation and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of companies taking advantage of this opportunity to grow
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  Speaker 1: and to expand their market share. We're obviously these are
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  Speaker 1: things we're all navigating as they happen, like the tariffs
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  Speaker 1: and everything else like that, but we're excited about what
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  Speaker 1: the future is going to hold and Overland Journal Expedition Portal,
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  Speaker 1: we're coming into a very exciting new time for us
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  Speaker 1: as well. Years this is our twenty year anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: I think we feel stronger than ever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for listening and we will talk
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  Speaker 1: to you next time.