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O-Zone Podcast: Tony Pauline · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit
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Speaker 1: Union with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, welcome
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Speaker 1: into this week's Ozone Podcast presented by by Star and
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Speaker 1: this week's guests. I guess I'm excited about it. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's it's somebody who's been working with Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: for a long time. UH predates me by a long shot,
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Speaker 1: because my predecessor, Vick Catchman, talked to Tony Pauline now
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Speaker 1: the Pro Football Network long before I arrived. UH. Tony
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Speaker 1: is contributed UH to our draft coverage in the past.
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Speaker 1: We talked to the Senior Bowl a while back. We've
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Speaker 1: talked to him a lot of different years. UH. Without
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Speaker 1: further ado, Tony, First of all, how are you today,
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Speaker 1: I'm okay, good to be back with you. It's also
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Speaker 1: nice to hear the name of Vick Catchman again. I
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Speaker 1: hear them Vick once Stever, we bluemoll And when he
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Speaker 1: wants some draft information for his bot. I'm sure I'll
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Speaker 1: be getting the text from Bick real soon. That's a
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Speaker 1: blast from the past. That's uh. And you've been doing
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Speaker 1: the draft you told me before we came on. Since
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Speaker 1: it's almost two and a half decades, Tony, does that
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Speaker 1: mean we're old? You and I? I guess, And that's unofficially.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's when my first publication came out. I
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Speaker 1: started actually working with the sports writers here in the
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Speaker 1: New York area who covered the Jets on draft related
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Speaker 1: information since probably nineteen eighty nine, because they knew, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was interested in the draft and they were always
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Speaker 1: bringing me up during the days where when there was
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Speaker 1: no internet and everybody hadn't read everything US papers. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: forget about old. I guess I'm ancient at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, no Internet, Tony, What are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly? I started currently pre that too, and it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a long time ago. Well from your perspective, Tony,
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Speaker 1: tell me about this draft. We'll get into Trevor Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: We'll get into a lot of Jaguars related topics. But
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Speaker 1: the strength of this draft. Just assess it overall. If
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Speaker 1: you're telling somebody who's just coming into it, how strong
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Speaker 1: the classes, the traits of it. Give me your nutgraph,
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Speaker 1: if you will. In the draft. One word offense. It
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Speaker 1: is an offense heavy draft. You look at the top ten,
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Speaker 1: it's probably not. You'll have at least nine players from
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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball selected in the first round.
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Speaker 1: You look at the first round overall, I mean you
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Speaker 1: may have two thirds of it the offensive players. Uh
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Speaker 1: So it's really an offensive driven class. When you break
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Speaker 1: it down further, you're looking at wide receiver, you're looking
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Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, you're looking at quarterback from the offensive
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Speaker 1: side of the ball. Which are the best positions in
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Speaker 1: this draft. So if you need any of those positions,
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Speaker 1: you're looking for some offensive players. This is the year
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of picks. I'm glad you mentioned
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Speaker 1: that because it was a question I had for you deeper. Um,
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Speaker 1: the offensive end. Is it described as a trend? Is
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Speaker 1: this something we're gonna see a lot in the future,
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Speaker 1: or is this a one year deal where it's so
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Speaker 1: offense heavy now. I don't think it's a trend. I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's the result of what happens in college football,
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Speaker 1: And what happens in college football is you know, you
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Speaker 1: get speedier players, you get more athletic offensive lineman, and
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Speaker 1: then you know, it just matriculates upwards into the NFL.
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Speaker 1: I think that it's just right now. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a trend because the way you're
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Speaker 1: gonna eventually offset the wide open offenses in colleges with
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Speaker 1: better defensive players, So that will eventually come. I think
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Speaker 1: this just happens to be one year where it's so
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Speaker 1: offensive heavy. Remember, defensive players are after quarterback are highly
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Speaker 1: coveted in the draft. That the the cornerbacks, the impact
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Speaker 1: defensive front seven players, the pass rushers, very just a
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Speaker 1: few of them in this year's draft. Now, my theory
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, every time my here that
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver class is good, and it seems like
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Speaker 1: the last two or three years it's been a very
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Speaker 1: good wide receiver class. I'm not sure that's ever gonna change.
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Speaker 1: Because of the way high school and college is set up.
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Speaker 1: Every kid wants to play wide receiver. They're teaching them better.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that that we're not going to
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Speaker 1: see very many bad receiver classes going forward? I think
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Speaker 1: the quality of receiver classes will be better than it
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Speaker 1: was ten years ago. But again I think you know
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Speaker 1: to your point, you're getting bigger athletes to play the
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Speaker 1: receiver positions. You're getting your better athletes instead of being
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Speaker 1: used as running quarterbacks, being moved out to receiver. But
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Speaker 1: I think what happens is, over the course of time,
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Speaker 1: when you have so many underclassmen who entered the draft
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Speaker 1: one position, it will eventually dissipate the talent at that position.
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Speaker 1: Down the road, It's eventually gonna happen. We see it
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Speaker 1: happen at schools l s U. So many juniors, so
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Speaker 1: many juniors entering them, the entering the dress. Eventually, you know,
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Speaker 1: the team starts to really narrow as far as the
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Speaker 1: town's concerned. I think, you know, I think there won't
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Speaker 1: be any really bad receiver classes, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: you'll see a situation where one year is consistently better
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Speaker 1: than the next, than the next than the next, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: I'll ask you to go out on a lamb here
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Speaker 1: and tell me who the Jags are picking number one overall.
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Speaker 1: That's a difficult one, huh. I mean the Jags are
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Speaker 1: in a good spot. It's it happens to be a
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Speaker 1: year where not only is the uh the top player
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Speaker 1: selected a quarterback, but he also happens to be the
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Speaker 1: best player in the draft. So you have a situation
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Speaker 1: where stay in the past. Unlike the Baker Mayfield's unlike
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Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray's, where those players were the first pick
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Speaker 1: of the draft, yet they weren't the best player in
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Speaker 1: the draft. And Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars are getting the
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Speaker 1: best player in the draft at the quarterback position. I hear,
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Speaker 1: you know we've talked Trevor to death obviously for the
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Speaker 1: last two or three months. Here, Um, I guess, give
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Speaker 1: me your take on him. Anything different that you see
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Speaker 1: that you don't hear out there a lot any thoughts
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Speaker 1: on him either, What makes him special? How you think
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Speaker 1: he's gonna do. I guess it's give me your Trevor.
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Speaker 1: It's a little different from everybody else that I don't
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Speaker 1: know that it's different. I think the only thing different
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Speaker 1: is he's the best player in the draft. And you know,
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Speaker 1: as I predicted in January, what you're what you're gonna
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Speaker 1: start to see is people start to poke holes in
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Speaker 1: his game that didn't exist. You know, Zach Wilson played
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Speaker 1: better in two thousand and twenty. Well, I don't think
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson played better. I think Zack Wilson is a
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Speaker 1: good quarterback who just played against the furor of competition.
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Speaker 1: Now you're hearing Kyle Pitts is the best player in
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Speaker 1: the draft because of his you know, his workout. I
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Speaker 1: don't think Kyle Pitts is the best player in the draft.
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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is a very good player. He's a great prospect.
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Speaker 1: He's a sensational athlete. But Trevor Lawrence is still heading
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Speaker 1: shoulders ahead of ahead of Kyle Pitts, ahead of everybody else.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't come closely. There's there's really you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to stretch to manufacture problems in Trevor Lawrence's game on
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Speaker 1: and off the field. You know, as you spoke about
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Speaker 1: during the Senior Bowl, the guy is a great leader.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he did not have great talent around him
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Speaker 1: this year at Clemson. He had basically mediocre receivers, did
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Speaker 1: have Travis a t n uh You know that that
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Speaker 1: has to be pointed out. He lost four fifths of
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Speaker 1: his offensive line from two thousand nineteen. Yet he led
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Speaker 1: that and even when he missed games because of COVID,
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Speaker 1: he led that team uh in through the into the semifinals.
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Speaker 1: You look at his off the field leadership. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is this a lot of
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Speaker 1: the fact that we had a two thousand twenty college
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Speaker 1: football season. In my belief is down to the leadership
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Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence showed. Because in the conferences, the Big Ten,
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Speaker 1: the Mountain West, the Pact, well, we're canceling seasons, postponing seasons.
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, along with a few other players, but primary
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence stepped to the forefront and said let us play.
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Speaker 1: We want to play. He got his face out there
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Speaker 1: and was the public figure saying we want to get
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Speaker 1: on the football field and play. So and and there
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Speaker 1: are other issues with Trevor Lawrence where he took a
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Speaker 1: leadership role. So to me, my take is when everyone's
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Speaker 1: trying to poke holes in his game and say, well,
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Speaker 1: DC Wilson played better in two thousand nineteen, Kyle Pitts
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Speaker 1: is the best player in draft. My take is nothing's changed.
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Speaker 1: He was the best player in the draft before the
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Speaker 1: season began. He's the best player in the draft when
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Speaker 1: the season ended. He's the best player in the draft
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Speaker 1: two weeks out from the draft. Yeah, it speaks to
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Speaker 1: a point I told so many couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: Think about this ever since the freshman season National Championship Game,
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Speaker 1: He's been the number one overall pick, which has given
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Speaker 1: people three years to poke holes in him. They haven't
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Speaker 1: be able to do it yet. And and and the
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Speaker 1: fact of the matter resistance. You know, he walked into
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Speaker 1: a situation where there was a good incumbent quarterback and
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Speaker 1: Kelly Bryant that he had to be that he did,
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Speaker 1: and you know, they were a good team, so there
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Speaker 1: was really no place for Clemson to go but down.
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Speaker 1: And what Trevor Lawrence did was he elevated that program.
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Speaker 1: He elevated that team. You know, Clemson is gonna be
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Speaker 1: in dire straits next year without Trevor Lawrence. They're not.
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Speaker 1: They may, you know, contend, they have a good quarterback there,
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Speaker 1: they may contend for the a C C title, but
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna be the Clemson Tigers that we've seen
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Speaker 1: in the past three years. Yeah, he's made it look easy,
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Speaker 1: which is hard to do. So, Uh, tell me about
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Speaker 1: twenty five overall, Tony, what's there? Is this a good
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Speaker 1: year to have five? Does the first round go that deep?
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? I have twenty five players with
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Speaker 1: lock solid first round grade, so that is the demarcation line,
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Speaker 1: if you will. Twenty six is a guy who is
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Speaker 1: maybe a first maybe a second round selection. I think
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Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars, the question is are there any
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Speaker 1: good offensive lineman there? There's gonna be no tight ends there.
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Speaker 1: There's a guy like Kevin Jenkins fall to the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: at that spot or to the Jets or the Steelers
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Speaker 1: snag them a few picks before this Olivira Tucker offensive lineman,
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Speaker 1: ball to that ball that spot, or do one of
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Speaker 1: those teams select them? You know, Celebt Foley's there, do
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Speaker 1: you take a chance on him? Uh? And I think
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Speaker 1: Celebt Foley will be there. I think that's really where
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Speaker 1: the line is, where you got the solid first rounder's end,
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Speaker 1: and then it kind of falls off after that. It's
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Speaker 1: a matter of what position they're looking at and who's available.
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Speaker 1: Is this uh? I saw in your notes this weekend
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Speaker 1: it was interesting you mentioned three guys you think could
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Speaker 1: slip Etienne, Tony and bar More. Uh. Those are all
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Speaker 1: guys that a lot of Jaguars fans sort of have
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Speaker 1: an eye on. Um good players. Is that a situation
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Speaker 1: where the Jaguars could get the one of those guys
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Speaker 1: at number thirty three? Overall? You think one of those
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Speaker 1: guys slips a t N fifty fifty. I do think
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Speaker 1: far More will be there at the top of round two.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's good, but he has a very undeveloped game.
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Speaker 1: He's more of a one gap penetrating defensive tackle. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And the fact is, you know, with the Jaguars, they've
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Speaker 1: used a lot of draft capital up front on that
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Speaker 1: defensive line. At what point in time do you say, listen,
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Speaker 1: let's let's stop the bleeding and let's just run with
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Speaker 1: what we have and take it from there. And I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: who who? Who is the first step? The other guy?
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Speaker 1: You said? Was it Farley? Okay? Tony? Yeah? I do
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Speaker 1: think Tony will be there. He's uh And I think
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Speaker 1: that would be a good fit. I mean, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence would love growing the ball. He's a consistent receiver.
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Speaker 1: His game really improved last year. He's not a home
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Speaker 1: run hitter. He's a solid vertical receiver with good speed,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't have that second first sort of a fuller,
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Speaker 1: thin guy. May have to line him up in the slot,
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Speaker 1: may have to line him up back off a line
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I think he's good. I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: the first as losall first round pick, as a lot
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Speaker 1: of people have been projecting. Thank I asked you this
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Speaker 1: as senior B when we were talking to practice. But
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Speaker 1: Jaguars have five selections in the top sixty five? Is
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Speaker 1: this a good year to have that? Can they Can
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Speaker 1: they get better at positions at all five of those picks,
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Speaker 1: because those are premium picks, right, and this is a
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Speaker 1: good year in the first and second round. I mean
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have I think day three you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: a situation where players are gonna be overdrafted. They're gonna
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Speaker 1: be selected higher than their bridge, primarily because you saw
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Speaker 1: so many seniors take advantage of that n C double
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Speaker 1: a rule to go back for a second senior year.
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Speaker 1: But I think you know, if they don't get far
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Speaker 1: more at the top of round two, you could get
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Speaker 1: a Dabby On Nixon at the top of round three
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle that Yeah, maybe Milton Williams, the kid from
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Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech who's moving up draft boards, maybe he's there
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Speaker 1: at the top of round three. Uh, if you're looking
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Speaker 1: for offensive lineman, there's gonna be a lot of good
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Speaker 1: tackles available through the end of day two through the
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Speaker 1: third round, so they could get some fortify themselves offensive tackle,
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Speaker 1: some good centers I think through the third round, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of good receivers. So I think not only
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Speaker 1: will they be able to get good players except for
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Speaker 1: maybe the tight end position, they'll be able to get
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Speaker 1: good players that Phil needs. And I've maintained for a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks now that I think what they will
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Speaker 1: do somewhere in that in that top sixty five, I
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Speaker 1: see him trying to draft two speed guys on offense. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like you think this is a year where
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Speaker 1: you can do that, where you can get faster offensively.
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Speaker 1: If that's what they want to do. You do have
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Speaker 1: a couple of I mean, there's not a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of great speed at the receiver position, but still, you
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Speaker 1: know you talked about Cadarius Tony. I happen to love
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Speaker 1: Ron del Moore at the top round two, smaller guy
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Speaker 1: from Perdue who was a legitimate deep threat, legitimate home
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Speaker 1: run hitter. I mean Elijah More of Mississippi another legitimate
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Speaker 1: deep threat, home run hitter. Talk about the top round
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Speaker 1: free Dwayne es Bridge of Western Michigan, who we saw
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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl who was unstoppable the first two
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Speaker 1: days at the Senior Bowl. A guy who can play
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Speaker 1: receiver can also play some defensive In the second ever
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Speaker 1: you want to is also return kicks. And then there's
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Speaker 1: Anthony Schwartz who's the third rounder out of Auburn. So
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to get a guy that's got
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Speaker 1: some big time speed and really someone that can score
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Speaker 1: from any point on the field where whenever the balls
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Speaker 1: in their hands. Uh. During that second day, if you're
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Speaker 1: looking for, you know, a running back with that sort
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Speaker 1: of speed to compliment James Robinson kind of game. Will
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Speaker 1: of of Memphis late second early third round didn't play
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Speaker 1: last year, opted out. But again, a guy who run
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Speaker 1: and plays in the low four fours at the running
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Speaker 1: back position. Got three positions for you, then I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: get you out of here. How do they get better
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Speaker 1: at defensive tackle in a class that everybody thinks is
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Speaker 1: a down year for that group. It's a bad year,
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Speaker 1: it really is. I mean it's either they take a
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Speaker 1: chance with a pick. On day two, I mentioned Daddy
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Speaker 1: and Nixon mentioned Milt Williams. Tell me to Guaya of
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Jay Tafelli in round three of of USC
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Speaker 1: more of a three technique one gat penetrator. You know,
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Speaker 1: you you roll with that, or maybe you're wait until
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Speaker 1: the last day and you see if you can catch
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Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle with a guy like Marvin Wilson
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Speaker 1: of Florida State, someone who was very highly rated early
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Speaker 1: in his Florida State career, but it's coming off back
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Speaker 1: to back poor campaigns, if you take him in day
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Speaker 1: three and you're able to get his game back to
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Speaker 1: where it was in two thousand and eighteen of Florida
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Speaker 1: State where he showed flashes of being, you know, just
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Speaker 1: a brilliant player. I mean, you've got something there. The
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Speaker 1: guys on day three are more of your developmental guys,
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Speaker 1: guys that got great athletic traits that need to be developed,
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Speaker 1: or guys that are good football players that aren't the
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Speaker 1: greatest athlete. Take Kwan Graham picked you. Graham of Texas
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Speaker 1: is an example of a guy six pounds runs and
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Speaker 1: plays in the low four nines, plays like an athletic
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Speaker 1: guy has got a high upside. Jalen Twyman of Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: six one a half three oh one not the greatest
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Speaker 1: athlete in the world, But when you watch him on film,
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Speaker 1: all he is doing is, you know, exploding through a
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Speaker 1: lot of scrimmage and disrupting plays in the backfield. So
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Speaker 1: you could get a serviceable player in day three, or
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Speaker 1: you may hit lightning in a bottle with a guy
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Speaker 1: like Marvin Wilson tight end. Obviously, Jaguars fans their ears
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Speaker 1: perk up when you mentioned tight end, assuming that they're
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Speaker 1: not gonna go up and get Kyle Pitts, which is impossible.
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Speaker 1: What does it look like in those second third round
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Speaker 1: for trying to address that more develop mental guys, guys,
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Speaker 1: I think we'll have to start off as number two
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Speaker 1: tight ends and maybe developed into number ones. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people like Pat Friarmouth of Pennce Date, I think
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Speaker 1: he's solid, he's a solid blocker. His solid pass catcher
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Speaker 1: is not great I do happen Like Tommy Tremble of
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I think he's got great upside, but he's
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Speaker 1: gonna need a lot of work. He was the guy
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Speaker 1: who was rotated in and out of the lineup at
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, didn't see the field all that much, only
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Speaker 1: because Notre Dame had such great depth at the tight
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Speaker 1: end position. I mean Brevin Jordan of Florida, good athlete
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Speaker 1: who like Tommy treble Leet needs to be developed, hunted
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Speaker 1: along a Boston college. I think it's like Friarmouth, real
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Speaker 1: good at every area. Kenny Yoboa, if he's there on
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Speaker 1: day three in the fourth round, that would be an
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Speaker 1: interesting pick. Pemple transfer who just lit it up this
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Speaker 1: year at Mississippi. I think he had like a hundred
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Speaker 1: eighty yards receiving yards against Alabama. A terrific pass catcher,
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Speaker 1: a good blocker. Did not get to work out for
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Speaker 1: scouts at his pro day because he hurt his hams
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Speaker 1: string while he was running his first forty, but I'm
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Speaker 1: told he was timing in the low four fives, high
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Speaker 1: four fours, seven pounds and a guy that has a
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Speaker 1: great amount of upside, So the pickings just slim. At
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Speaker 1: tight end, you're not gonna get a true number one. Rather,
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Speaker 1: you're going to get a guy that could eventually develop
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Speaker 1: into a number one. I don't think you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: a guy a tight end is gonna have a rookie
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Speaker 1: ted end after pits that's gonna have thirty receptions, thirty
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Speaker 1: five receptions for you in two thousand twenty. Is that
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Speaker 1: the same story at safety after the care from Texas
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Speaker 1: Christian Marrig safety position is really thin. Uh Mourig of
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Speaker 1: uh TCU is a good player, He's a first rounder.
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Speaker 1: The guy to keep an eye on is Richie Grant
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Speaker 1: of Central Florida. Really, you're just down the road from
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Speaker 1: where you sit. I mean, Richie Grant is a guy
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Speaker 1: who I had great as a third rounder coming into
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Speaker 1: the season. Some scouts have a late first round grade
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Speaker 1: on him. He's not gonna be on the board all
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Speaker 1: that long. He was a terrific player for Central Florida
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Speaker 1: for three years. Had three good days of practice at
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Really looked great during position drills during
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Speaker 1: the the u c F Pro Day workout. Not the
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Speaker 1: fastest guy in the world world runs in the low
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Speaker 1: four fives. More of a zone or strong safety. But
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Speaker 1: a smart, tough football player. I think you know there
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Speaker 1: is some talent guys that have holes in their games,
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Speaker 1: but they've got a lot of upside. Javonte Holland of
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Speaker 1: Oregon is the second round pick. A Fong of USC
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Speaker 1: a bigger tight end, hard hitting book, solid ball skills.
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Speaker 1: And then there's ali Jah Molden, a guy who was
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Speaker 1: just a terrific football player, but he can't run. I mean, he, uh,
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Speaker 1: he can't doesn't time while I should say in the
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Speaker 1: forty times, in the high four fives during Pro day,
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Speaker 1: he runs slightly faster. But as far as instincts, as
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Speaker 1: far as just a field for coverage, you can line
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Speaker 1: them up over the slot receiver, you can claim, but
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Speaker 1: pretty safety, strong safety in his zone system. It's just
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to protect him from the deep pass
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Speaker 1: because he's gonna get beat out in the foot race.
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Speaker 1: Something you said a second ago pique my interest. Um,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like because of the guys going back to college,
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Speaker 1: do you think the draft is gonna be a lot
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Speaker 1: better than one? Am I reading that right? I don't
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Speaker 1: know how it's gonna be better at the top, because
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Speaker 1: this year is very good at the top. But I
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Speaker 1: think what's going to happen is you're gonna have a
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Speaker 1: lot of guys third, four, fifth, sixth, seventh round. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna have plenty of talent. I mean you could literally
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Speaker 1: have a situation next year where, despite the fact there's
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five guys selecting the draft, you
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Speaker 1: could have three hundred to three hundred and fifty guys
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Speaker 1: with draft the Bull grades. What does that mean. That
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Speaker 1: means that, you know, it's very reasonable to think that
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Speaker 1: someone that has a third round grade could actually fall
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Speaker 1: into the fifth round because of the fact that there
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Speaker 1: are gonna be so many players in that area that
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Speaker 1: have third fourth round grades. People are players are gonna fall.
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Speaker 1: And I think what's gonna happen is when you see
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Speaker 1: trades on Day three this year, it's gonna be trades
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Speaker 1: where the team trading away the pick are getting selections
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Speaker 1: in the two thousand twenty two drafts because there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be so much more talent on the last day of
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Speaker 1: the draft, and you know, people just concentrate, and the
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Speaker 1: narrative is always talking about the first round and the
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Speaker 1: top pen picks, and the first round has a very
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Speaker 1: bad misrate, I mean very bad fail rate. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of good players come out of the middle rounds,
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Speaker 1: the later the round. You look at look at Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: what they did with James Robinson, an undrafted free agent.
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Speaker 1: So I think you're going to have a lot of
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Speaker 1: real good talent and two thousand twenty two in the
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Speaker 1: middle and late round. So a lot of people trading
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Speaker 1: out of LA round this year if they can, so
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Speaker 1: that makes lund later rounds this year if they can
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Speaker 1: to get future picks in two thousand twenty two, Tony,
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Speaker 1: I can talk to you all day about the draft.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna force you to do that. Then you've
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Speaker 1: got other things to do. Tony Pauline and Pro Football
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Speaker 1: Network once again, thank you for helping out Jaguars dot Com.
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Speaker 1: I look forward to talking to you down the road, buddy. Thanks.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy the draft that b