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Episode 220. The Hidden System of Control Behind Skull & Bones | Kris Millegan · Wake Up with Miya

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  Speaker 1: Their ability to hoodwink us, to make us think something
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  Speaker 1: else is going on. And then their preponderance on doing
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  Speaker 1: mass trauma rituals to keep us in line. Because, see,
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  Speaker 1: at its core, a JFK assassination is a mass trauma ritual.
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  Speaker 1: Same like 9-11. Because these guys practice a form of
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  Speaker 1: what is known as death magic. By killing people, you
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  Speaker 1: get power. The Kennedy assassination, at its core, is death.
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  Speaker 1: part of the ritual of the killing of the king.
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  Speaker 1: You kill the king and you take his power. And,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they killed the president, right? They did it
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  Speaker 1: in a public spectacle on Bloody Elm Street at Dealey Plaza,
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  Speaker 1: which has a trident and, I mean, has all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of occult symbols there. It's got an obelisk, a pyramid,
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  Speaker 1: all these things right next to the Trinity River near
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  Speaker 1: the 33rd parallel.
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  Speaker 2: And Who controls the money, the drug trade, education, and
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  Speaker 2: the media? And how is Skull and Bones connected to
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  Speaker 2: it all? My guest today is Chris Milligan, writer, researcher,
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  Speaker 2: editor of Fleshing Out Skull and Bones and publisher of
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  Speaker 2: Trine Day Books. Chris breaks down what he describes as
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  Speaker 2: three connected levels of control. One is mining metals, money,
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  Speaker 2: Second is drug, guns.
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  Speaker 1: And oil.
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  Speaker 2: And third is media, music, movies, and magic. He explained
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  Speaker 2: how Skull and Bones fits into this structure and how education, culture,
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  Speaker 2: and the narrative presented to the public are all connected.
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  Speaker 2: Plus side on YouTube memberships. Now here's my conversation with
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  Speaker 2: Chris Milligan. Enjoy the show. Aloha, Chris, and welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show. I'm really excited that you're here because skull
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  Speaker 2: and bones is something I've really wanted to understand better.
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  Speaker 3: And your book, Fleshing.
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  Speaker 2: Out Skull and Bones, is intriguing. But before we get
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  Speaker 2: into all that, could you please tell us a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about yourself and what first sparked your interest in
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  Speaker 2: skull and bones?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll try and make it a short story. My
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  Speaker 1: father was involved with intelligence. He got involved at the
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  Speaker 1: age of 18 as an exchange student to the University
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  Speaker 1: of Shanghai in the 30s. And then he was involved
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  Speaker 1: during World War II. He was in COI. Then he
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  Speaker 1: was in OSS. While he was in OSS, he got drafted,
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  Speaker 1: got put on MacArthur's staff, got involved with some interesting stuff,
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  Speaker 1: upset MacArthur and got moved to being head of research
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  Speaker 1: and analysis for the invasion of Japan, was both in
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  Speaker 1: OSS and G2. And they had to get somebody to
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  Speaker 1: replace him. That was a guy by the name of
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  Speaker 1: Ed Lansdale. And then, like he told me later on,
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  Speaker 1: he was in a few alphas in between VJ Day
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  Speaker 1: and the setup of the CIA. When the CIA started,
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  Speaker 1: he was branch chief head of all of East Asia
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  Speaker 1: Analysis Office. And then, oh, they needed somebody to talk
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  Speaker 1: to Sucarno in early 50s, and... My dad wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: typical CIA guy. He was from, you know, the North
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and had been born in Montana and was
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  Speaker 1: kind of liberal. And so they sent him to Sukarno.
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  Speaker 1: I went with him as a little kid. And so
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  Speaker 1: one of my first things was a CIA front, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then he came back. And he just did odd jobs.
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  Speaker 1: And in 56, he was sent off to the far
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  Speaker 1: East and wrote a report and Lansdale was recalled. And
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  Speaker 1: then my dad asked me, Oh, it must've been my,
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  Speaker 1: about my junior year in high school. He asked me,
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  Speaker 1: he says, this is in the about 66, something like that, 65.
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  Speaker 1: He asked me what I thought of the Vietnam war.
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  Speaker 1: And I told him, well, You got a sack of
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  Speaker 1: hand grenades and some rice paddies. You go throw it
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  Speaker 1: for the, you know, good guys wearing the white hats
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  Speaker 1: because I'd been raised on John Wayne in World War II.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just a flip teenage answer to my dad.
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  Speaker 1: And he said we had to have a talk. And
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  Speaker 1: then later on, the day before my 20th birthday, 1969,
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  Speaker 1: I went to the family house to have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: cake and ice cream and stuff. And I was married,
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  Speaker 1: had a six-month-old kid. And my dad said, it's time
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  Speaker 1: to have that talk. And he took me into what
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  Speaker 1: I call my little brother's room and sat me down
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  Speaker 1: with this professor from Vanderbilt, Dr. D.F. Fleming. And the
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  Speaker 1: first words out of his mouth was, the Vietnam War
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  Speaker 1: is about drugs. There's these secret societies behind it. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, dad's talking about the mafia. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is the only thing I could think of. And
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  Speaker 1: Then he says, and communism's all a sham. These same
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  Speaker 1: secret societies are behind it. It's all a big game. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he lost me there. I thought my daddy
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  Speaker 1: was nuts because I'd been stuffed under the desk. The
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  Speaker 1: Ruskies were going to bomb us. I mean, his intelligence
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  Speaker 1: career had never been mentioned before in the House. The
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  Speaker 1: only time I remember was we were in Nashville and
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  Speaker 1: my older brother and older sister were in the hallway
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  Speaker 1: and I came up to them and My older brother says, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think dad works for the CIA. That's
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  Speaker 1: how come we were overseas. And I was eight years
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  Speaker 1: old and I was into baseball. Didn't mean anything to me.
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  Speaker 1: So and so, you know, dad says this. And then
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  Speaker 1: they start telling me all about dad's intelligence career. And
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  Speaker 1: I was still thinking about what they said back there.
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  Speaker 1: And then they start talking to me about. propaganda and
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  Speaker 1: psychological warfare. Well, first they did a thing, they talked
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  Speaker 1: about how they were playing out a loose scenario in Vietnam,
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  Speaker 1: which again didn't compute because it just didn't make any
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  Speaker 1: sense to me. And then they started talking about psychological
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  Speaker 1: warfare and propaganda. And then I remember my dad just
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  Speaker 1: stopped in mid-sentence. He was talking about sway pieces. And
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  Speaker 1: he looked at me and he says, I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: he could tell it. I was in information overload. I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea what they were talking about. And so
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  Speaker 1: they just stopped talking. And I went on with my life.
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  Speaker 1: And I had started a record store, was putting on
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll dances and having a good time, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So a little later on, I was reading a gallery magazine,
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  Speaker 1: a girly magazine, you know. and there was an article
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  Speaker 1: in there about JFK assassination, and there was notes that said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people talk about the involvement of the mob
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  Speaker 1: and CIA, and some people talk about the involvement of
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  Speaker 1: secret societies, and I saw that word, read that word,
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  Speaker 1: and it just brought back that whole conversation that my
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  Speaker 1: dad had with me, and I I started to do, well,
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  Speaker 1: first off, I talked to a friend of mine and said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit about what my dad said.
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  Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he says, well, you're
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. And this was like in the 1970s.
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  Speaker 1: And so I scratched my head and say, well, what's
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist? And so I took on conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 1: as an intellectual discipline. And it's very, very wide because
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  Speaker 1: there's lots of involvement of lots of different things in
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. And so I started reading a lot about
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  Speaker 1: intelligence so I could understand, you know, what my daddy
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  Speaker 1: had been involved in and different things and looked into
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  Speaker 1: the drug trade. And the hardest thing to find was
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  Speaker 1: books about the secret societies. And I finally, in 1988,
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  Speaker 1: I came across Anthony Sutton's book, America's Secret Establishment, An
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  Speaker 1: Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones, and I
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  Speaker 1: read that, and I said, oh, maybe my daddy wasn't
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  Speaker 1: nuts after all, because this talked about, you know, skull
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  Speaker 1: and bones and their involvement with Russia and different things,
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  Speaker 1: and so, but at that, by that time, my dad
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  Speaker 1: had had Parkinson's for about 10 years and been given
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  Speaker 1: some very heavy medication, and he soon died from pancreatic
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  Speaker 1: cancer in early 1990, and so I never really got
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  Speaker 1: to sit down and say, gee, Dad, I got all
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  Speaker 1: these questions now. What do you mean? And so I
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  Speaker 1: tried to get in touch with Anthony Sutton, who had
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  Speaker 1: written the book and wrote to his publisher in Montana
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  Speaker 1: and didn't get an answer. And then finally, after the
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  Speaker 1: internet came about, I'd started writing a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: Skull and Bones. And, you know, when I'm a musician,
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  Speaker 1: and so I, you write something, and so, well, you
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  Speaker 1: send it off to magazines and book publishers, right? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the only magazine that got back to me was High Times,
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  Speaker 1: and they did a couple of articles, and then I
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  Speaker 1: wrote to Adam Parfait at Ferrell House and a couple others,
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  Speaker 1: and he was the only one that responded, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm I'm ready to take on Skull
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  Speaker 1: and Bones. And I was really surprised because he had
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  Speaker 1: had some really wild books about Satanism and all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of different things. And, and so that started me thinking, well, gee, I,
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  Speaker 1: I might have to be doing this myself. And so
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  Speaker 1: it was Skull and Bones was, I mean, it, For
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  Speaker 1: one thing, I had done, when I was in college,
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  Speaker 1: I had done an independent study on magic and mysticism.
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  Speaker 1: And I was very glad I did because it helped
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  Speaker 1: me understand skull and bones. Because, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they've got this, you know, skull and crossbones and different things.
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  Speaker 1: And they seem to be operating on occult understandings. And
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  Speaker 1: skull and bones is basically... It was started in 1832
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  Speaker 1: by a politician and a drug smuggler, Alfonso Taft and
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  Speaker 1: William Huntington Russell. And Alfonso Taft was, he ended up
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  Speaker 1: being Secretary of War and a bunch of other things.
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  Speaker 1: And William Huntington Russell was a scion of Russell and Company,
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  Speaker 1: which was the third largest opium smuggler in the world,
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  Speaker 1: the largest in America. And the opium trade Well, basically,
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  Speaker 1: it was started by the British East India Company. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: the Dutch were the first people to find out that
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  Speaker 1: if they wanted to have their plantations in the Dutch
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  Speaker 1: East India and whatnot, the only way that would work
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  Speaker 1: would be they'd have to get the head guy addicted
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  Speaker 1: to opium, and then they could control things. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: British started, you know, growing opium in India and they
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  Speaker 1: were shipping it to China. And the emperor, empress of
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  Speaker 1: China wrote a letter to Queen Victoria and said, how
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  Speaker 1: dare you send this poison into our country? And the
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  Speaker 1: British got all upset about that. And Carlisle, in defense
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  Speaker 1: of liberty, was basically saying, well, we have the right
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  Speaker 1: to do that. But it still became a big discussion point.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, after a while, the British East Union Company says,
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  Speaker 1: we won't ship it anymore. We'll just grow it. So
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  Speaker 1: if they aren't going to ship it anymore, that means
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  Speaker 1: that there's got to be some shippers come up. And
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  Speaker 1: there was the Denton Company out of England, Jordan Matheson
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  Speaker 1: out of Scotland, which is now known to us as...
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  Speaker 1: Hong Kong, Shanghai Bank. And so then the third was
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  Speaker 1: Russell & Company. And then because of some historical things,
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  Speaker 1: the Americans became very big in the trade because the
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  Speaker 1: Americans had developed the clipper ship. Because again, the British
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  Speaker 1: East India Company, the British told us that the Americans
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  Speaker 1: had to buy their tea from the British East India Company.
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  Speaker 1: They couldn't buy it from anybody else. Well, the Americans
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  Speaker 1: said to that, and a bunch of them went out
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  Speaker 1: into the ocean and met French and Dutch ships and
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  Speaker 1: other ships and got tea from them, and we gave
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  Speaker 1: them ginseng and other things. And so the clipper ship,
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  Speaker 1: it could tack against the wind. So when these American
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  Speaker 1: firms got involved with the trade, A lot of the
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  Speaker 1: ships going from Canton to India, it would take them
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  Speaker 1: sometimes up to two years. It'd take them a year
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  Speaker 1: to get there. They'd wait, put it up, and then
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  Speaker 1: go back. And then some ships were doing it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: once a year. When the Americans got involved, their clipper ships,
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  Speaker 1: they could do it three times a year. So in
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  Speaker 1: the drug trade, you know, it becomes very, oh, who's
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  Speaker 1: the first one? on the scene gets a better deal.
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  Speaker 1: And then during the first opium war, the British, the French,
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  Speaker 1: and the Dutch were all fighting it, but the Americans weren't.
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  Speaker 1: So the Americans had their office open in Canton during
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  Speaker 1: that whole time, and they made a lot of good
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  Speaker 1: relationships with the Chinese people because just as some of
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  Speaker 1: these smugglers were making big money, there was people in
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  Speaker 1: China that were making big money. And so then came
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  Speaker 1: the second opium war, and opium became legal. So that's
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  Speaker 1: when the Sassoon started to make a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: because The smugglers, you know, it took a while for
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  Speaker 1: some of these Chinese people to figure out, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need you smugglers anymore. But, you know, Sassoon said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, just send us a boatload. You
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  Speaker 1: will pay the taxes and duties and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: And then, so these guys cash cow went down because
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  Speaker 1: when it is illegal, you can sell it for eight,
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  Speaker 1: 10 times more than it's worth. So skull and bones.
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  Speaker 1: One of the first things they did was to take
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  Speaker 1: over the education system. And then they helped foment the
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  Speaker 1: Spanish-American War. And it was done through false flag and
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  Speaker 1: yellow journalism. You know, remember the Maine blew up. But
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  Speaker 1: if you go to a report by an admiral, he says, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a torpedo attack. you know, that blew it up.
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  Speaker 1: It was blown up from the inside. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: story here with Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt was under secretary
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  Speaker 1: of Navy and he, the secretary of Navy had gout
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  Speaker 1: and he went home early one day and Teddy stepped
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  Speaker 1: up to the desk and did off a bunch of missives.
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  Speaker 1: And the secretary of Navy came home back or came
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  Speaker 1: back to his office and said, Teddy, what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: And he never left early again. And so the war
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  Speaker 1: got declared, you know, the Maine blew up and it
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  Speaker 1: took a long time to get the American people to
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  Speaker 1: go to war because we'd gone through this civil war
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  Speaker 1: and there'd been a lot of death and they didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to do it. So they had to, you know, really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get us up through propaganda and psychological warfare.
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  Speaker 1: And so War was declared, but we didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: Cuba right away. Teddy got to quit his job, get
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  Speaker 1: to go a bunch of his friends and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: train them and then go run up the hill. But
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  Speaker 1: we took the Philippines right away because Manila is the,
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  Speaker 1: is the oldest Western port in the far East. And
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  Speaker 1: these smugglers, I mean, they were mostly working out of
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  Speaker 1: Canton and then Hong Kong and Shanghai, but they always
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  Speaker 1: had a back office in Manila. So, um, What he
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  Speaker 1: had done, he'd sent these missives off to Perry. And Perry,
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  Speaker 1: you know, met the Filipinos on the beach. They were
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  Speaker 1: already kicking the Spanish's behind. And he said, oh, my
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  Speaker 1: little brown brother, we need to help you. And they
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  Speaker 1: fought a horrific war there. They raped and pillaged. And
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  Speaker 1: Mark Twain got himself in a lot of trouble talking
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  Speaker 1: about it. And, uh, so they sent out Arthur MacArthur
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  Speaker 1: as the first military governor. And, um, they sent, uh,
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  Speaker 1: then they sent William Howard Taft, a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Order of Skull and Bones and the son of one
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  Speaker 1: of the founders as the first civilian governor. And then, uh,
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  Speaker 1: McKinley sent him out there. And McKinley then asked him
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  Speaker 1: later on while he was there to be on the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And, uh, Taft turned him down. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Taft is the only person who was both president of
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  Speaker 1: the United States and chief justice of the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: And so finally, McKinley was shot and Teddy was president.
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  Speaker 1: And see, the Roosevelts were heavily involved with the drug trade.
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  Speaker 1: They owned ships and were ship captains. And matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: Warren Delano, Franklin's grandfather, was a chief factor for Russell
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  Speaker 1: and Company. in Canton for 20 years. And then he
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  Speaker 1: came back here, lost almost all of his money in
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  Speaker 1: a panic, and then went back and made another fortune. Now,
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  Speaker 1: FDR did turn against some of this stuff later on.
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  Speaker 1: But so William Howard is there. And finally, Teddy's president.
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  Speaker 1: And Teddy asked him to be on the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: And William Howard turns him down. And then finally, Teddy
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  Speaker 1: asked William Howard to be Secretary of War. And William
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  Speaker 1: Howard said, yeah, I'll be Secretary of War. My daddy
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  Speaker 1: was Secretary of War. So he comes back. And if
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  Speaker 1: you look at the historical record, what he did was
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  Speaker 1: to make opium illegal for the first time in modern Asia,
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  Speaker 1: which means you need smugglers. And then also what he
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  Speaker 1: did was he started the Hague and the Shanghai Convention,
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  Speaker 1: which gave us a prohibition on three plants, cannabis, coca,
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  Speaker 1: and the opium poppy. And what that does is allows
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  Speaker 1: the people in the shadows to sell plants for more
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  Speaker 1: than gold most of the time. And in some places
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  Speaker 1: you can grow those plants for three times a year.
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  Speaker 1: And the basic formula was, well, we'll get primitives to
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  Speaker 1: grow the plants for pennies on the dollar. And then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll take them and, you know, give them
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  Speaker 1: to our other secret society buddies, the mafias, to sell.
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  Speaker 1: And then run them through the banks that the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Skull and Bones and other people own. And so it's nefarious.
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  Speaker 1: And the drugs give them these huge amounts of, uncounted
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  Speaker 1: money you know that allows them to oh you want
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  Speaker 1: some money you know let me let me corrupt you
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  Speaker 1: because you know it's called we did a book called
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  Speaker 1: one nation under blackmail and you know it can either
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  Speaker 1: be done through you know honey traps or money you
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  Speaker 1: know different types of things because the people in the
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  Speaker 1: shadows like to be able to control things so skull
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  Speaker 1: and bones is a very interesting group. They basically, each year,
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  Speaker 1: 15 of the members, the members choose 15 juniors to
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  Speaker 1: come in the next year. And it was a long
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  Speaker 1: history of it has to do with the Illuminati because
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of, A lot of Masonic scholars and other
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: scholars talk about Phi Beta Kappa. You see, the Illuminati
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was formed May 1st, 1776 in Bavaria. And then Phi
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Beta Kappa was formed on December 5th, 1776 at the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: College of William and Mary. And then two chutes went
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: off from William and Mary. One went to Yale and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: one went to Harvard. And then came along the Revolutionary War.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: The College of William and Mary was shut down, but
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: these two shoots in Yale and Harvard kept going. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: then the country, in the 1790s, America had its first
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Illuminati scare. And so it became gauche to be a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: member of a secret society. And then, I mean, and the...
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Scares went on so much so that in the 1820s,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we had a big anti-Masonic movement, so much so that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: there was a political party called the Anti-Masonic Party that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was the first party to actually hold a national convention.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And so about 1826, the Phi Beta Kappa at Harvard
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: went public instead of being a secret group. And then
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in 1832, the Phi Beta Kappa group in Yale started
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the Order of Skull and Bones, Alonzo Taft and William
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Huntington Russell. And Russell had just come back from Germany,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: where he had taken courses directly from Hegel. Hegel died
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in chair. And so... You know, there's people that have
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: broken into Skull and Bones at different times and made reports.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And one of those is about these different German things
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and a room with Hitler memorabilia and all kinds of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: different things. But Skull and Bones is basically an outgrowth
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or sister society of a German group. So it's been
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: a very much, tied in with intelligence. And there's been,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you know, several presidents that have been skull and bones.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: People like Henry Stimson, who served many, many presidents in
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: very high positions. I mean, Stimson took great pride in
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: talking Truman into dropping the bomb. And like I said earlier,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: my dad was head of research and analysis for the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: invasion of Japan. And I can't tell you how many
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: times he told me, we didn't have to drop that bomb.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: We got the same piece of paper that was before
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the bomb, you know, after the bomb. And so, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: skull and bones, here's how the secret societies run the world.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It's a Leviathan of three levels, and each level has
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: three parts. Top level is mining, metal and money and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you think about it well that makes sense i mean
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: if you control the mining that the metal comes from
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that the money's based on you're in a real good
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: position right i mean you know i had an author
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: who could affect that and he first came at me
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: with a book about gold mine and this is when
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: i was very early on publishing and it was like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a eight nine hundred page book and and i i
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: know nothing about gold mining. And I said, I don't
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: know if I can do this book. And he finally
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: got it published out in Poland. And then he came
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: back at me later, a book called Calling All Angels
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: about his great aunt Jane Stanford at Stanford University and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: how she was murdered so these people could take over
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the university. And it was a smaller book. And I says, well,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and I says, I think I can do that one.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And so I got that out, and he was dead
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in seven days. He got run over by a hit-and-run
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: lorry in London. I mean, and this guy, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: he was a gold mining engineer. His daddy was a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: gold mining engineer. His granddaddy was a gold mining engineer. And,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you know, had been a 49er, part of the Comstock load,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and was president of the Central Pacific. So, I mean,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: this wasn't just, you know, some guy off the street.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And so the next level... is drugs, guns, and oil,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and it's a very active level, raises a lot of money, and,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know, gives them even more control, because that's why
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: they're doing this, I mean, you know, when I first
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: started talking about this, people would tell me, well, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: they're just greedy people, and I said, they already got money,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they already got more money than they need, or whatever,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and so, and, and, When you look at it historically,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: it was Skull and Bones, Dr. Benjamin Silliman Jr., a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: member of the Order of Skull and Bones, who got
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a vial of rock oil from Petroleum, means rock oil,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: from Cornell. And they asked him to look into it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: What can we do with this stuff? And he wrote
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: him back a report, and he said, gee, gentlemen, with
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: some very inexpensive processes, you have some very valuable products.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And so it was the people from Skull and Bones
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that sent Drake to Pennsylvania to drill the first oil well.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Drake was a conductor on the New Haven, New York Railroad.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And they got together with him and, you know, set
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it up. And, you know, if you've ever been to Yale,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: there's all these big, you know, Gothic buildings and most
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of them are built with, with oil money. And, and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: when I look at the different secret societies at Yale,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: when I can get their membership lists, everyone has a
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Rockefeller in it. So oil is a big part of it. Then,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you know, the drugs I've kind of talked about already
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and then arms. I mean, in, In early Connecticut, where
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yale is based, it was called the arsenal of democracy
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because you had all the Browning rifles were built there.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of them built in a factory, uh, almost
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in a straight line from the, the Skull and Bones Temple. Uh,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you had, uh, Sikorsky building his helicopters there. Uh, you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: had Groton, uh, that's where the, uh, submarines were being built.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And then you had GE, where all the, uh, engines and,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and all of that were, were being built. So, um,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: they were very heavily involved with the arms trade. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: then where this meets the road is media first, because
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they got to control the narrative, right? And then you've
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: got music slash movies, because they got to control the culture.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I've had a lot of people try
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and make some of our books into movies, and they
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: get stopped every time. And then The last part is
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: quote-unquote magic. Their ability to hoodwink us, to make us
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: think something else is going on, and then their preponderance
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: on doing mass trauma rituals to keep us in line. Because, see,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: at its core, a JFK assassination is a mass trauma ritual.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Same like 9-11. Because these guys practice a form of
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what is known as death magic. By killing people, you
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: get power. The Kennedy assassination at its core is part
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of the ritual of the killing of the king. You
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: kill the king and you take his power. And, I mean,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they killed the president, right? They did it in a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: public spectacle on Bloody Elm Street at Dealey Plaza, which
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: has a trident and, I mean, has all kinds of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: occult symbols there. It's got a, It's got an obelisk,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know, a pyramid. You know, it's got all these
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: things right next to the Trinity River, right on the 33rd,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: near the 33rd parallel. And you go back and you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: look at Dealey Plaza being built and all of this.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: It was, you know, brought by, you know, 32, 33
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: degree masons. And Dealey is a mason, too. And... It
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was started basically in the 30s. You look at 9-11
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and the machinations to get those buildings in that particular
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: spot and whatnot, that all started in the 30s. So,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, the killing of Kennedy wasn't some, well, some,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you know, people try, well, you know, some general of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the mafia, you know, got up one morning and said, well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to kill the president. Well, the roots go
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: back much farther than that. So, skull and bones. They're
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a secret society and they have changed quite a bit.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, they went dark. I mean, they used to,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you could get the Yale Banner and you could open
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it up and they'd have the list of the secret
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: societies and they'd have a list of the members and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff and whatnot. But the last year
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that they had them in the Yale Banner, was 1968,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the year that George W. Bush was a member. And
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: so they don't really, you know, they've gone into what's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: known as a dark period. The only place that we
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: can really find their members, and it's not always a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: solid list, is at a publication called The Rumpus, which
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is a Yale College tabloid and they have a secret
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: society issue every year and they try and list all
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the names of the people and then a big thing
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: happened in 92 when the members started to well they
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: voted in some ladies because see Skull and Bones was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: started at Yale and it was a male only school
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and then you know after a while there was some
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: shared classes with a couple of ladies' colleges. But then,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you know, they went, Yale went co-ed. And so there
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: would be members on class, you know, that had girlfriends.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And the girlfriends would, what's going on in there? What's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: going on in there? And then after a while, actually,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: some ladies broke into Skull and Bones. And, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: ladies changed things, you know. And they changed the campus
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: by being on there. And so in 92, I guess
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it was class of 91, they voted in some ladies,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and the old guard locked them out of their temple,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: out of their tomb. He said, no, you guys can't
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: do that. And so it became a big to-do. One
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of the other secret societies there said, you guys can
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: come over to our clubhouse and we'll let you, let
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you in. And so finally they had another, another vote
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and it was, you can, you can let the ladies in.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: And from the lists that I've seen, uh, you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: there's generally about six to seven ladies, um, tapped now
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: every year. Plus, uh, there's a lot more, uh, foreign
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: students that have been tapped in recently so you know
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: um and and you know they've uh oh we don't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: like schwartz for for black rock or i think it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: black rock is a you know is a member of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: skull and bones the the guy who bought um k
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: mart and sears uh is a was a member of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: skull and bones and so um they're They're still out there,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: but we don't know exactly who a bunch.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Of the people have been inducted for the last 30-some years.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So they're a bit of a mystery today. Does that
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: answer your question? Yes.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, what does Skull and Bones
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: look for when they're choosing students?
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: They're selecting future leaders.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: It seems like.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's kind of like in Masonic circles,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: somebody will propose a member and everybody in the group
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: has to vote on it. And if just one person objects,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: they can blackball that person. So you end up with
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people who kind of think alike to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: a certain extent. And so at Yale, one thing they
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: do there is they watch the person. I mean, they've
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: been on campus for three years. They pretty much have
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: an idea of what they're going to get. Another thing
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that we find is that you have the legacy members,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, who their father, their grandfather, their great-grandfather were
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: members and whatnot. And then we find that they will tap,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: you know, some smart people, like the head of the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: literary magazines and different things, and then they'll tap some athletes,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and then they have these parties, and they say, well,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: here's my sister. Wouldn't you like to marry her? And
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: stuff like this, because if you look like John Kerry,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: who is a member of the Order of Skull and Bones,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: all of his wives came from other members of skull
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and bones. As a matter of fact, he, he, he
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: ended up marrying the widow of another member, John Hines
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of the Hines food, um, uh, family. He, he ended
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: up marrying, marrying, uh, her, her wife. And then if
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you look at, at Bush, I mean, he would, uh,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he needed some money, you know, for one of his
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: oil companies was, well, a person from skull and bones would,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know, give him that money and stuff to, to,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to start it. So, um, how they choose them is,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you know, they pretty much, you know, know what they're
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: going to get. And, you know, if the person doesn't
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like what, you know, is going on, they pretty much,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they just go away. But it's a secret
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: organization that basically uses secrecy to lie, cheat, and steal
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: for control. Because that's what it is. They want to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: control our future. They want to control the future of
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: our kids. And, you know.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Do you actually.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Do you know what actually happens during their Skull and
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Bones initiation ceremony? I know there's a lot of talk
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: around that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: There's lots of stories, and different people have talked about it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't been initiated, so I don't know. But there's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: stories about them lying in coffins and different things. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: then there's... quite a bit about, they would have, I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: believe it was a Thursday night meeting where they would
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: have to tell all of their sexual experiences. Now, why
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: do you do that? Well, it gives you blackmailable material
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: in different things. And Then the person with the most experiences,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I believe, is called Magog. And I know George H.W.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Bush got that name because he went in in 47
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and he was already married. So but it's a. Another
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: thing is, is that. There's there is talk about the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: steam tunnels. that go from the tomb over to this
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: another building where hall and then go keep on going
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: to this graveyard where there is this one grave that's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: done by a Skull and Bones member and it's built
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: out of the same stone that the tomb is built
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: out under and where you could go through this thing
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and then you come up out of the ground and
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: these I mean these are old occult initiation type rituals
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that are tied to, you know, well, you're now a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: new person and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: it's a typical.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Does the number 322 mean something to the skull and bones?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Well, there's different theories about that. Myself, I think it
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is a chapter number. I think it's their chapter number.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: There's other people that say, well, 322 adds up to
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: the number seven, and that has different meanings.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But personally, I think it has to do with the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: chapter number. Interesting.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Your book describes members receiving new names. You had
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: mentioned that. What's the purpose of these names? Is it
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to hide them or to give them something?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: It does two things. It does add confusion if somebody
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: is talking about this person or that person. And again,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of it in occult literature about you
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: become a new person. It gives you an identity within
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the group separate from the identity that you had before. And,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a bonding type thing. But yeah, so,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and I mean, it's something that happened in the Illuminati.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Weishaupt was known as Spartacus. So it's an
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: old thing in secret societies.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Did you uncover allegations with the skull and bones and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: the remains of Geronimo?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I've had quite a few conversations with different people about that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And the consensus is yes, that they did. And the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: consensus is that it was Prescott Bush who actually took
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it from Fort Sill, Oklahoma. And, you know, he was
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: definitely there at that time and had the ability to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: do that. And, I mean, there's denials from Skull and Bones, too. And,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they also supposedly have Pancho Villa's skull and
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: other skulls there. And, again, that is an older occult
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: practice of, you know, getting the skulls of your quote-unquote enemies.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and different things.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. So I guess that empowers them by having that?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I believe that's what they believe.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: How does Skull & Bones membership open doors after graduation?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Well, like I said, you know, When the Bushes were
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: looking for money, they always went to Skull and Bones
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: people to get that money. We hear things like to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: rise up within these organizations, you have to do certain things.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And one of them is to be involved with a murder.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And one of the words on the street is that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: George H.W. Bush made his bones in the Kennedy assassination.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And there's a book by Rodney Stick called Defrauding America.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And in there, Rodney was a, Very interesting guy. He
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was a FAA inspector and a pilot. And see, pilots
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: have their own little club too, you know. And he
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was able to get a whole bunch of pilots on
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: affidavits talking about the drug trade and how they were
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: landing on the Bush Company oil rigs out there and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: different things. And, oh, excuse me. What was the initial question?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I don't remember myself.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: What do you get by being in Skull and Bones?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: In this book, Rodney Stick, He interviews and took affidavits
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: from a guy by the name of Trent Parker. And
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Trent Parker was a part of Pegasus. And Pegasus was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a group that Harry Truman set up when he signed
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the paper for the CIA. So he took a bunch
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: of people, mostly from Naval Intelligence, but there was a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: few from some other places, and said, you know, I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: setting up the Central Intelligence Agency here, and I'd like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you guys to, you know, keep looking at it and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: tell me if there's anything hinky going on. And the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Pegasus groups of the last president they were able to
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: really work with was Kennedy. And Trent Parker was, he
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: tapped Hoover's phone. And, you know, Hoover didn't think his
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: phone could be tapped. But They tapped Hoover's phone and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: they got a conversation before the JFK assassination with five people.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And those five people were J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Johnson.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And they're on the bottom. They're so blackmailable. You can
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: put them in your pocket. You can make them do
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: what you want. Then your next person was Alan Dulles.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: He's the consigliere. And then you had George H.W. Bush
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: on this call. And that brings the whole Skull and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Bones crew, including Abel Harriman and a whole bunch of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: people on there. And there's a very famous letter that
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Hoover wrote to George Bush of the CIA the day
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: after the assassination, you know, trying to cover his money.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And then the last person was Nelson Rockefeller, which brings
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the whole Rockefeller crew together. on there, David Rockefeller and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: all those folks. And you see, Nelson was actually running
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: an organization that was called the CIA during World War
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: II and had been promised the presidency a long time ago.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And if, you know, Squeaky Jane Fromm or Sarah Moore
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: would have been better shots and killed Gerald Ford Well,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Nelson Rockefeller would have been president and he and they
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: had just changed the law. So he could have been
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: president for about 10 years or more. And so because
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: he would have finished out that one and then he
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: could have run for two more. But that didn't happen.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: So they put in, you know, David went out and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: got Jimmy who and pulled him up. And then, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they besmirched his ass. And they put in Reagan with
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Bush as the vice president. And if Reagan didn't know
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: who was running things, you know, they shot him within
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the first 90 days. And, you know, one of the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: things that Bush was doing was to consolidate the drug
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: trades because there were trades that were coming through mercantile.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: There were trades that were coming through the State Department.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: There were trades that were coming through military. and there
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: were some other trades, trades through intelligence. And, you know,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: they started stepping on each other's toes. And then the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: hippies were also getting involved and running drugs, too. So
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: it was kind of a mess. And so one of
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: his jobs under Reagan was to consolidate these drug trades,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: put them under a more solid ageist and start running
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the money through the bond markets in Arkansas. Because your
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: two largest black operations of the federal government are, one
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: is continuance of government, COG. And that's basically, well, it
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: started in West Virginia. I mean, if you're a Rockefeller,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: you could probably do what you want, right? So why
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: do the Rockefellers, why did one go to West Virginia
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and the other one went to Arkansas and says, well,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: you need some help with your governance here, you know?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: It's because the continuance of government started in West Virginia, Pennsylvania.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch out in California now these days.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: And then the drugs. And they did that in Arkansas. Why? Well, because...
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you have mountains and you can do whatever you want
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: in the mountains until somebody with a gun comes up
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: there and says, you better not do that, son. You know?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: So Bush started running them through the bond markets there
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: in Little Rock. And we soon were looking at it
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and we saw that they were taking the money there.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And then what they next started to do was they
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: started to buy up HMOs and old folks homes.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Because both of those things get a lot of money
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: from the government, right? And one thing that we found
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: with these people is that they look at the government
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: as something to put money in their pockets. And so
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Skull and Bones is one of the most corrupting influences
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: on the United States of America and our experiment here
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of government of and by and for the people, because
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: they don't like that. They want control. And the other
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: thing I've found is that a lot of times these
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: secret societies, they may have developed in the hoary past,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and they may have developed in opposition. You had a
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: lot of secret societies that developed during the Middle Ages
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: as opposition to the Catholic Church. And then as time
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: goes on, they become aware of each.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Other and they bump into each other and they say, well, listen,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: our common enemy is the people.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And so they start working together to buffalo us people.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: And right now we're in the throes of... the fascists international, which,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you, uh, look at where, uh, Peter
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Thiel and Elon Musk and Mr. Trump come from, they're
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: basically being supported by the, the fascists international, which, you know, the, uh, Borman, uh,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: saw that in 43, they weren't going to win. And
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: they started, you know, taking all their assets and moving
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: them to a lot of them to South America and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Spain and, and other places. And, um, You know, they're
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: heavily involved with NASA. And then also, I mean, actually,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: they started to come out here a lot in the 1930s,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: especially to Texas and New Mexico. So we live in
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: a wild world. And like I say, one of the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: first things that Skull and Bones did was to take
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: over education. And, uh, they brought over what's known as
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the Prussian education system, which was developed in Prussia because
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: see the Prussians were very upset that Napoleon had beat them.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: And so they, that's where compulsory education started and where
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: they would take kids by bayonet point and, and start
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: teaching them, you know, what to think instead of how
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to think. And, uh, so, uh, You know, they take
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: over our education system. And see, the other thing about
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the Spanish-American War, it really got their claws really big
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: time into our government. And once you get that, they're
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: doing a couple things. First off, there's a psychological warfare
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: thing What did Joe Daddy do in the war? What
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: did Joe Daddy do in the war? Because, you see,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you know, he had the Spanish-American War, you know, 1800s,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: early 1900s. And then, you know, then you had World
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: War I, World War II. And in between there, what
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: did they do? Well, let me see. They got the
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: income tax, right? I believe that's the 16th Amendment. And,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's not for wages. It doesn't really
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: cover wages. And then they got us fake money, the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. And once you get those in place, what
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: are you going to do? Well, you won't take the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: people and get them in debt. World War I. And again,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: what did your daddy do in the war? And then
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: you get World War II. And in World War II,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: they did a thing. They said, oh, you know, we
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: got to beat them Japs and Huns. We, you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and so we need more money. We're going to have
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: a victory tax. And I tell you what, you don't
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: even have to lick a stamp. We're going to go
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to your employer and we're going to take it there.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: That's when withholding started. And what that did, it took,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you know, because it wasn't about wages. So only about
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: 20% of the population was paying. After they did the withholding,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: it got up to about 60% of the population paying,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: which sends a lot more money back for them to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: play with and to use the parts of the federal
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: government to wage war against us people. And then you
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: had the Vietnam War. And the Vietnam War is very interesting.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: You get My daddy, you know, told me, they're playing
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: out a loose scenario for this. The professor and my
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: dad had been involved in a, when Eisenhower became president,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: they did an assessment report. And my dad, the professor,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: told me that in this assessment report, there was, you know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: different things. And they said, they're playing out a loose scenario.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the first things was, you don't
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: back a Catholic professor. government in a Buddhist country, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other things, and so, you know, my father,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he pointed to the drugs thing, so I
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was looking at that, and you see, we as humanity
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: have some fail-safe devices, so we don't go just jump
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: off the cliff, and there ain't no more people, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the first fail-safe device is known to us as a dialectic,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and I say some things that I know are true
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: about intelligence agencies, secret societies, and drug running. And then
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I find somebody that I know is a spook that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: says stuff just a little bit more outrageous. They put
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: some lies into it. Because by controlling the extremes, you
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: control the middle. That's how come there's so much BS
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: on the far right and the far left. It's because
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: they want to, you know, and so that's the first
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: fail-safe device that we have. Well, this can be obviously,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: can be manipulated, right? So the next fail-safe device is
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the cycle of generations. There's a very good book called Generations,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: A History of America's Future. And in there, they talk
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: about how there's these four generations that go through history to,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you know, move us forwards. as humanity. And first you
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: start off with an idealistic group, and then you have
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: a reactive group, and then you have a civics group,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: and then you have an adaptive group that kind of,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you know, puts these all things together, and then we
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: move together to a new idealistic group. Well, in this book, Generations,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: History of America's Future, they show how the idealistic group
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of the 1860s. The kids that were teens and preteens
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: in the 1860s didn't cohere as a generation. Some of
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: them joined the generation after, some of them joined the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: generation before, some of them just went out in the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: woods and did weird stuff. And why did that happen? Well,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: it happened because of the assassination of a president, war,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and then drugs, the soldier's disease, the opium that later
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: on really, you know, snared a whole bunch of people.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And so, because, see, you know, war and assassination of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the president, they're trauma. It's trauma, you know? And so
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: they tried this again. They wanted to do this again
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: to the kid's that were teens and preteens in the 1960s,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: us boomers. And they had to have in place for that,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: they had to have in place for that three things.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: They had to have television. And that television that runs
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: on 60 cycle has this little flicker in it. You
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: read any book about hypnosis, it'll tell you that 60
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: cycle flicker puts you into a trance. And so, and
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the patents for television go back to the 20s, you know.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: And so they had to have the television with this flicker,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and then they had to have the modern education system,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: which was brought to us quite openly through a program
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: through the Masons, and then they had to have in
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: place a nascent drug culture, the beatniks. But we did cohere.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you know, we weren't supposed to go, because if we
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: didn't cohere, that makes you a four-cycle engine only running
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: on three cycles, and that, and so that's why they
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: were able to get their hooks into our government really much,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: because we weren't strong, and, you know, because we weren't
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a four-cycle engine, we were just a three-cycle, you know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: only running on three cycles, and our body politic wasn't
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: strong to resist this intrusion from the shadows, and so
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: They tried it again in the 1960s. So, you know,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: President Kennedy's killed in 63. We got the Vietnam War.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: And we got these drugs running around. So we did cohere.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: We ended up cohering as hippies around a joint being
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: smoked around a circle with a little bit of LSD
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: thrown in. Because with LSD, I mean, you can disrupt things.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: You can make people wear white sheets, but you can't
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: control people like you can with opium and heroin. Because,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that has a fairly simple dynamic, you know. Here, kid,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you want some? Oh, would you like some more? Oh, oh,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: how about your friends? You know, I mean, that's the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: basic dynamic around opium heroin. So, you know, and like...
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: The History Channel did a big special on the hippies.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: And part of it was, what came out of the hippies?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: And they said, what came out of the hippies was
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a personal computer and the internet. And see, those are
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the tools that all of us are using to fight
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: this corruption of people using secrecy to lie, cheat, and steal.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Because the personal computer allowed me, allows me to be
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: a publisher. allows you to be a host and do this.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: And then the internet allows us to have a table
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: to talk to each other about, about this, because, you know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that's where, that's where change, you know, and, and, um,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: to get, you know, uh, things happen around a table,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you, you talk to people, you, you discuss things.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And so, um, and that, so, you know, and, and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: one thing that happens, um, Oh, well, like the Internet.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: The Internet, yeah, it came out of DARPA. And some
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: people say, well, you know, it's just an intelligence scam
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and blah, blah, blah. And well, maybe to a certain extent,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but. We people drove the Internet into something
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: nobody had any idea it could be. And so what
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: are they? And we had some freedom and liberty there.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: So they've got to claw it back. They've got to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: claw back their control. And so, you know, that's what
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: we've been living with, with, you know, for a while
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: is basically trying to, you know, claw back control. And so,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm very hopeful for the future because you really can't,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: you know, understand the perfidity that we've been in unless
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: it's in your face. You know, and it's pretty much
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: in our face right now.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you about your publishing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: company because Trend Day is what I guess it's helps
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: with people with these different thoughts and different conspiracy, if
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: that's what you want to call it, is allowing people
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: to see that, to read that.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: So with your.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Publishing company, Trendy, what inspired you to start that company
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: devoted to these books that challenge, I guess, official history?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it first, you know, broke into my
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: head when I when I got that letter from Adam
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Parfait says he didn't want to take on Skull and Bones.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, gee, I might have to do this myself.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: And then I was running an email list called CIA Drugs.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And we had a lot of people on there. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: one of them was Daniel Hopsicker. And he was decrying
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: that he had a book in New York that was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: with an agent and had been there for two years
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: and nobody was going to publish it. And I heard
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: that a couple of times. And I finally said, Daniel,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: this is like 1998, 99. I says, I've got a
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: computer on my desk. They tell me I can make
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a book. You know, come on out. Let's make a book.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So we made Burying the Boys about Barry Seal. And
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: then I had gotten in touch with, well, actually, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: had written some articles, and they were online. And then
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, one day, I got an email
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: from Anthony Sutton.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: And we'd become friends. And so right after.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I did Daniel's book, I got an email from Anthony
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and said his book was going out of print. because
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it was being printed by a mom and pop print
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: shop in Montana, and they were going out of business,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: they were retiring and moving to Arizona, and I said, Anthony,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: that can't happen, your book has never been in bookstores,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: it's never, you know, been in library, in hardcover, I said,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: you know, let's do something, and so I talked to Daniel,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: and he didn't want to do anything, so I went
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: out and borrowed $ 5, 000 and started a publishing company, little
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: knowing what I was doing. And at that point in time,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Daniel Hopsucker's book wasn't the only book that was circling
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: New York. There was a whole bunch of books. And
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: when people found out that I was, so they started
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: sending me books like A Terrible Mistake by Al Borelli
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: and Lavenda's Sinister Forces series. and a bunch of different ones.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: And I started off, you know, saying, well, I'm just
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: going to publish books that, you know, I believe in 100%,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and I know that are, you know, aligned to my understanding,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: my beliefs. But then after a while, I said, no,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's not really a publisher's role. A
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: publisher's role is to help the publisher, I mean, help
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the author. And, you know, like we did a Franklin
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: scandal by, by Nick Bryant. And he was a, what
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: do you call it? Freelance, you know, writer in Manhattan
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and been living there for many years. And, you know, not,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: not easy to live in. I mean, he was with
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a big agency there and he got, Roland Stone called
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: him up one day and said they wanted something dark. And,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and he said, and what they wanted him to do
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: was they wanted him to go to a, a satanic
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: mass and be involved in a satanic mass and write
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: about it. Well, he contacted some people and then he
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: found out what he was supposed to eat during a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: satanic mass. And he said, I ain't doing that. And,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and he'd found out about this group called the finders,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: which were, uh, well, first came across in Tallahassee, where
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: a bunch of kids were running about a park. And
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: it linked into this strange story about, you know, kids
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: and honey traps and intelligence and whatnot. And then he
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: had heard about this thing in Omaha. And I had
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: been tracking this thing in Omaha, because I had been following,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you know, CIA drugs. And there's two sides to CIA drugs.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: There's the narcotics importation, and then there's CIA drugs, the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: dark side, the MK Ultra, and all of that type
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And so I had some friends there in
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  Speaker 1: Omaha looking into the Franklin scandal, and they call me
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  Speaker 1: up and tell me, there's this guy from Rolling Stone
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  Speaker 1: in town, he's going to break the story. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I heard that, and I said, well, to me, because
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  Speaker 1: I'd been reading all about intelligence operations, this sounds to
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  Speaker 1: me like a vacuum cleaner operation where they send somebody
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  Speaker 1: in to find out who's talking to who and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: But Nick was a honest, honorable reporter and actually trying
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  Speaker 1: to find that. And we finally talked and Nick told me, Well,
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  Speaker 1: he was a member of AA and some group in
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  Speaker 1: Greenwich Village that had all kinds of people in New York.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, I know everybody in New York. This
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  Speaker 1: book's coming out from New York. And I gave him
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  Speaker 1: a couple of books and I says, I'm here. Just
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  Speaker 1: remember that. And so a couple of years later, he
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  Speaker 1: came to me and says, yeah, nobody's going to touch it.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's going to publish it. And so we published Franklin's Scandal, which,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you... You see that, you know, they're using,
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  Speaker 1: you know, young kids, abusing young kids. And you have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, parts of the FBI running interference for it. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you just, first off, your heart goes out
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  Speaker 1: for the kids. And then, you know, the FBI is
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  Speaker 1: running interference for these people, you know. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that, you know, led even to more and more. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're right, you know, by getting these books
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  Speaker 1: out there, it gives, you know, a place where people can,
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  Speaker 1: you know, start to understand, you know, the perfidity that
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is because you don't want to believe it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to think that it's possible that people
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  Speaker 1: will do this. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and you give people a chance to make
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  Speaker 2: their own choices and decisions of what they read. It's
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  Speaker 2: up to you if you want to believe it or
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to believe it. It's their choice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, you know, I mean, I would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get very because when I first, you know, started to
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  Speaker 1: read and all this stuff and started to think about it,
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  Speaker 1: there was very few people I could talk to because
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  Speaker 1: they would just look at your blanks there or call
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  Speaker 1: your names. And I finally found that when I found
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  Speaker 1: a person that had a very wide view of things,
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  Speaker 1: we could discuss things. And I've been very lucky in
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  Speaker 1: that my daddy told me some stuff I didn't understand.
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  Speaker 1: And so I went, I'd get a book here and
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  Speaker 1: I'd read it. And I took years to try and
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  Speaker 1: understand this and look at it. And now people are
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  Speaker 1: presented with this perfidity And they're trying to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it, you know, right away. And it's very, very
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  Speaker 1: hard because, you know, we all have our own, you know,
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  Speaker 1: personal prejudices and understandings and different things. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we are dealing with a quote unquote conspiracy theory because,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a member of these secret societies,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I'm, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: so there's things that you have to theorize about how
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  Speaker 1: they happen. I mean, and you can look and try
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  Speaker 1: and get, you know, solid information and whatnot, but, you know,
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  Speaker 1: intelligence and secret societies and drug running don't always leave
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  Speaker 1: solid evidence of things. Matter of fact, they'll slough off
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  Speaker 1: and leave fake evidence around. So, you know, it's something
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  Speaker 1: that really... takes time to get your head around. And
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I was very lucky because I had
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  Speaker 1: years to work to get my head around it. Now
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  Speaker 1: people are, you know, they're presented with this stuff and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what do you believe? Because, you know, part
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  Speaker 1: of these guys' stick is to make it so you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to believe, you know? So, yeah, trying
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: day has been, has been very, very interesting. And they,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're still, they're still trying to, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing this, you know, since 1999. Trying Day
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  Speaker 1: has been around since about 2001 and got over about
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  Speaker 1: 200 books out. And I don't have a Wikipedia page
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  Speaker 1: and people have tried to set one up, but it
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  Speaker 1: gets taken down. And I mean, and you won't see
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  Speaker 1: anything about our books on the news or in, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the newspapers. And because, I mean, they won't even
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  Speaker 1: call people crazy because then they've got to mention it
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  Speaker 1: because once, you know, it even gets a mention, then
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  Speaker 1: people are going to look into it. So their main
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: tactic has been to just ignore us, try, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't exist. Well, my second book, they took me
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  Speaker 1: to federal district court saying I had to declare a
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  Speaker 1: book fiction. And we won that in Charleston, South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: That's great.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Well, Chris, I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: joining me today. I know there's so much more to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: talk about, but I want to thank you for being
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: a publisher who's open to thinking outside the box and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: exploring topics that others might turn away. So I appreciate
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: you giving the authors a chance to share their research
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  Speaker 2: and the readers the opportunity to consider different perspectives. So
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: thank you very much. There's value in making room for
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: questions and ideas that don't always get heard. And I'm
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: glad that you're helping those conversations to move forward. So
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  Speaker 2: I enjoy it. I really enjoy talking to you and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: learning more about your work. But where can listeners find
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: your book and the books you publish?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: They can go to TrineDay.com. And then we also do
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: a podcast called The Journey. And then we do some
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: roundtables around the Fitzgerald legacy, which goes into the Fitzgerald
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination story. and other things. And I appreciate your
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: conversation that we had today. And I really thank you
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  Speaker 1: for allowing me to say some things. I mean, goodness
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  Speaker 1: gracious me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris.