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Episode 1704 - The Dead Internet Theory · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's been nice.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Do welcome back fall.
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• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: The end of the day in the hall the way as we've talked about for the last two or three days on the show is at a funeral today in Weddington, North Carolina.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: We posted that yesterday for a friend of ours, Sean Lee.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've worked with the Independence Fund for years, love server, or auto in those guys.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Sean was the right-hand man kind of in that operation there and he passed away at the age of 50.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: from cancer and primarily the reason was burn pits over seas.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're out there and you are affected by it or have been affected by it, please go get checked out and we're thinking about you guys today.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're going to start it roughly, I don't know, 45 minutes ago or so, but unfortunately, you know, days like this, show goes on and one of us one of us is here now
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously talking about it yesterday, I knew I was going to be doing the show on my own and today and I got down a rabbit hole last night during the NFL game.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hasn't been great for me picking the NFL quarterback got hurts on the second drive last night gone gone from the game.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: See you later, it's your bet and everything else and I was like, you know, I'm going to I'm going to do a little deep dive here and kind of go down a rabbit hole for tomorrow shows see what we got here and also for Patron drinking both podcast patreon you guys have asked for us to chat about this for a while and it's the dead internet theory now.
• 2:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: At the time, when this was first kind of brought up, I want to say the first comments that I read from you guys were roughly around 21, 2022.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't really pay much attention to it.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: AI was in the thing where you had rock apps and open AI and all that other stuff.
• 2:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did I think that there was some bots out there occasionally on Twitter and potentially Facebook and Instagram?
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it as bad as it is today?
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yesterday, apparently, marked the halfway points, I should say the more than halfway points, where 51% of the internet is bots.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a massive number.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is a massive number.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: The dead internet theory is a concert.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me, a concept of sorting that the internet is now primarily filled with bot activity.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: and automated content rather than genuine human interaction.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get your takes first.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you, Cooper, start with you?
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is, do you feel when you go on the internet?
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's primarily just bots.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you doing things differently that wouldn't involve bots?
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on where on the internet you are.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that Luke and I were talking about just before the show is if you're in a really niche,
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... forum or something like that most likely you're not going to be running into bots but i did a large portion of the general discourse in the world i think is heavily affected by bot activity but what about burner accounts so let's say you are in these forums and
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, a lot of them are burner accounts and that I know from lawsuits and things like that where, you know, you get on a reddit or something like that, which is why I don't have a download it where it's just people that are just signing up for email accounts to write responses to the things that they post and then respond to the other people and you read these things and you're like, wait a minute, I know who you are, that's
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: not a thing here and it's four or five different burner accounts going against each other.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Players in sports have been popped with us a lot recently.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: One guy said, hey dude, we're thinking about you today and your injury and I know you're going to get through the game and all that other stuff.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He forgot that it was his own account as burner account that was turned on.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the best when they when they forget about on their sock right now no, they make the post and they're thinking themselves in this and you're like, oh God, it makes me cringe, but what's what's the magic point where
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You think it'll die and like I was going again down this rabbit hole last night's prepare for today's show and a lot of people have been asking online 20 50 20 50 is safe.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: numbers far as a calendar year where people are just fed up with it.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or does something else change during that time period that you get back on the internet and you're more addicted to it.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know the answer to that.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm having a hard time understanding the question because would
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... what do you mean by dead cuz the internet going away to me that would be like saying we're getting rid of cars really you know well i so okay uh... here's what i think it could become because this is primarily what i'm starting to use it for is i'll watch videos with my kids i can i don't know kind of spot a i ish things that they're watching which luckily for kids it's not a lot um... because the things that they like to watch are more
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: real interactions with people.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, do I like watching them play or are watching excuse me, watching them watch other kids play video games on YouTube?
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think that's retarded.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just go out and play the fucking video game.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to, I don't really care.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't really enjoy that.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like a dude perfect where you do in trick shots or things like that.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're showing you.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: the misses and all that other stuff for you're like all right these are real people doing a real activity and it's fun to watch and I don't know what's going to happen at the end of this.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where is let's say you're on a Twitter or an Instagram or a Reddit or a Facebook and you know that's the responses when you post something are fake and not fake.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: with that push off of the platform and will it just become a telephone book at that point.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: For me, I used Google a lot, obviously.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I used it last night when wife wanted to salad.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: This restaurant was like, I'm not sure if it's going to be open after your practice ends with the kids, can you check it out or whatever, no one's like, yeah, and it was.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I went to Google for that, typed it in, gave me the thing, and then I was done with that was all done with the phone after that.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another big part of this is I didn't want to be on the phone, which is why I'm not on social media that much, because I don't want to be on the phone.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: In front of my kids all day long, I wanted to remember that Dad was actually there.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Coaching their stuff, hanging out with them, or everything else.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would say this could be an age thing, but I've also noticed the other swing of it, too, where parents
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: in particular are just locked into their phones because they've never seen anything like this technology wise.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're fooled by all this stuff.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking, even me, I'm fooled by AI and shit.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about in the past, but they're not.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, does that generation pick up for this other generation that doesn't really care about it?
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it keeps going on.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at what points are you reading articles or watching videos to where you know it's bots?
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know all the interactions or bots and saying, okay, cool man, I just want to go outside and touch the grass.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I think at this point,
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the internet's ever really going to die because saying that people aren't going to go online because there's bots online is like saying people aren't going to go outside because there's pickpockets outside.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just we've gotten to a point where we understand that there's things that we need to look out for when we go outside and we still go outside understanding the risk.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the same thing's going to happen with the internet where you go into it with the understanding that you have to watch out for all the bullshit word.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the grand scheme of things, we are so early on in the process of
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: the internet and having the connectivity that we have right now.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're still figuring things out.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the iteration that we're working with right now is nothing like what it's going to be 50 years from now or 100 years from now.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it'll ever die.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it'll evolve how people would use it, but it's not going to just go away.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even ever go away.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not saying that.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think at a certain point, it's just my guess, my personal guess.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to hear yours in the comments on Patreon.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those I actually read because I know you guys I feel like in a care and you guys are paying for it.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: We greatly appreciate it.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what keeps the lights on here.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're looking at a screen like you just showed me, Luke in the background.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or it's just, what is that?
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: 80 fucking phones together?
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: That scares the shit out of me, dude.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That absolutely scares the shit out of me.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what is this?
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They tell you underneath the video, what this is kind of emulating?
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's see.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It says, uh, here's a video of a Chinese AI agent running 50 social media accounts simultaneously at Hanutown, it runs 24-7.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: On its own.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: No one's touching that.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck, dude.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: God damn.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you end up arguing with somebody who's a bot, whatever, and then you finally figured out, and you're like, oh, this is dumb, he has eight followers, and it's just signed up three months ago.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, dude, this going deeper into this, to start in 2021, and it was kind of a niche internet conspiracy at the time, and it was the web that was secretly taken over or had died in 2016, and that bots and everything else were taken over.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, why 2016 is what I can't really figure out other than the election?
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: What else was going on in 2016 that we had maxed it out at that point?
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't feel like we had maxed it out.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know Facebook said, you know.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Zuckerberg who said, you know, yeah, we knew that $40,000 or $60,000 from Russia was going into the Trump campaign for these ads for elections and things like that.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what was another big mile marker in 2016 other than the election?
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think people, that's around the time that people kind of realized that they could use social media to shape public opinion, and that's kind of
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: and that there was real benefits that could come from, you know, getting your social media game on.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could be that's when it became powerful enough to all.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so since we're going there, I will say this.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's when the terminology changed.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's take it from a Hollywood perspective.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: You were no longer just an internet, dude or chick, you were an influence.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's when it kind of corporatized.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you are an influencer, what you do matters and you've got a good Gillian followers.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can monetize this and all the other shits.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I've talked about this in the past, like the guys who were making the most money in Hollywood, you want to go back to that theory.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: where the rock, Kevin Hart, Kim Kardashian, like they all had the biggest social media following on the planet, and yeah, they were monetizing the shit out of those.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of my buddies used to run one for Kim Kardashian.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Her stories were getting $100,000 back in.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: One story, one post, if it was an actual post that lived in the feed, that was where the half a million.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could you imagine what it is now?
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, or is it?
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or do you believe any of it?
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some of these people I look at, and it's like, okay, you get 290 million followers.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: How is that possible?
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: How is that like Selena Gomez?
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's right around that number right now on Instagram, and you're like, all right, cool.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: How is that possible?
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: How is that real?
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: How did 290 million people follow her?
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm sorry, she's up to 403 now.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit, that is more than the United States population.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, granted her last name is Gomez and, you know, around the world, the Latinks culture is obviously big in that, but she's on Gomez's.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing, man, she's on one kind of hit show on Hulu, two murders in the building and that's it.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that enough?
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: to have four hundred and three million followers.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my opinion, no.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she would probably have the same amount of followers if she didn't have that show.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was really good.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You think so?
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't know how she blew up to where she is now, but she was big on Disney Channel and then she had a little pop star career.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then she, I think, got into like, makeup
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: somehow, like, swung past all of that stuff.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And got a fuck ton of followers on social media.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know how it happened, but... Well, I know this, I know there's like these makeup influencers, kind of even I'm using the stupid word.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: On YouTube, have a good Jillian followers, they're making a bunch of money and all that other stuff.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's all fun in games and it's just makeup, though, at the end of the day.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, every girl wears makeup.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, cool.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But is that worth 400 million followers?
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't think she's had a hit song, and I don't know, 10 years maybe.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's got married.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think she, yeah, I mean, she was early to the social media game, I think.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That probably helped.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just stayed on it.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you had no idea what she was famous for.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know she was even on Disney.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was on the Wizards of Waverly Place.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which was a big show and she was a kid.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But so so was Roseanne, you know, and we don't follow.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but she's huge.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't follow the Conor Kid like she was famous on Disney Channel.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: with the demographic that then went on Instagram.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, over audience aged with her.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: God, I got it.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: God, I got it.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I make sense, I guess.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody's honored, everybody's gotten accounts and even DJ Khaled's trying to monetize his kids and everything else.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But even still, it kind of bothers my mind a little bit.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there's so many people out there that could have happened.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 400 million, that's insane.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because nothing about her feels like that remarkable.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, she was in one of these forms that I was looking at of like,
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey dude, is this the science, like, and that's the other thing.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this the sci-op?
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this conspiracy?
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why does this person have 43 million followers?
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because then you got to ask yourself which somebody did and that I liked of like, all right, well, how does that not translate into 10% of our followers?
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just take 10% which is what?
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: 4 million?
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, shit, it'd be $40 million.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, got him dumb.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's a surprise to them.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's just take 10% of her followers.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you brought $40 million people to watch your television show, that would be the biggest TV show on the planet and the history of television, that was just watching two murders in the building.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That show draws roughly under $2 million viewers.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So why on her followers showing up to watch this show?
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they're all real, why aren't they watching this show for something that averages around two million viewers?
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she's four hundred and three and that's just Instagram.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where TikTok is or all this other shit.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they weren't real, that's my biggest question of this.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: If these were real fucking people,
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You couldn't drive them over to watch your show on who, like, I don't get it.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, considering the fact that she is doing, she has different pursuits than she has different portions of our audience that follow her for different reasons.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there would be the people that are a fan of her show with, as I think Steve Martin and Martin short, the only murderers in the building.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then there could be the younger audience that
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, remember to her from her Disney career.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They could be the people that are following her because of her makeup tutorials and things like that.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So not everybody's gonna go to the TV show because they're all following for different reasons.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I would still, if I was running a Hollywood studio right now, I would still ask the question, how the fuck aren't you driving people over to the show?
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is strange.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a out of 400 million, that only two million are going over to the show.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, some of them are Steve Martin fans
• 17:35
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• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like I will I'll do whatever it takes to try to see whatever that thing is or or what my kids want to see or do or whatever and
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wouldn't know that it existed without being online, but I would want to do it at least.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so like this one, and I think it's an excellent question who ever brought that up, and it wasn't one of our listeners, but it was somebody in this forum of like, look at the numbers compared to the ratings on this, and I'm like, yeah, you're right.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So who is following those?
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know they've done some of these bot takeaways where they will purge your accounts and take away the bots and all that other shit, but I just can't imagine 400 million people following anybody and that not translating into ratings for a show or something now, take one percent of that, just one, one percent would be four million then.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't get four million people over to Hulu to watch the show.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, it could be that social media followers, at least in, in terms of general engagement, it breaks down roughly like handing out flyers, where for every, you know, thousand flyers you hand out, you get one person showing up to the event.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it could be the same thing with social media and just with much smaller scale.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: 400 million though, that's a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And you got two million on a, I mean, two million on a fucking show orange is the new black, for example, had four million viewers.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: None of them really had a big social media account so he's just like the fucking show it only had four million mm-hmm and that was another part of this where I think it was Netflix that was forced to release their ratings on on some lawsuit or whatever it was and you were like, oh well shit that's about the size of an FX show and now you know why Netflix is $12 billion in debts and they've lost 70% of their stock this year.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: is a shit like that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Another person here on one of these forms is calling it the bot tone.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some observers use the theory more broadly to describe how real humans online.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that true?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Aldera that right now, Aldera then was drive so much human behavior.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The rest of it though, we don't know who you're talking to and why.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder going back to your theory that it will never die, which I believe as well.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I just wonder if there's a certain segments between these generations.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: that will just check out of it and then, you know, a new younger and an older will stay in there and who's gonna stick around at that point.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing that I texted you was how realistic this AI is getting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen either one of them.
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• 32:31
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that like, a lot of them stem from Italy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What was that in relation to?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like brain raw.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's kind of how people think of it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Shrim jesus didn't really get me but John pork I really like okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we're calling it and that's John pork
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, things like this I can get into and have a nice chocolate about it, but yeah, the other ones that you don't know are real and all that other shit, that's when it's really hard to decipher here, but
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That number real, and then, yeah, here we are, 51% to 53% of all global web traffic is bots, and it's making humans the minority online.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Good bots.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: are 10 to 13% and they label a good bot as helpful programs like search engine crawlers and websites monitoring tools.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Most of this is for good bots, I think, that we use it for thumbnails.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we don't use any malicious bots or a rights rights.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Never have.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My thing in the past was they always used to want us like, hey, if you buy followers or buy whatever it is online, they'll find out who you are and either delete your account or take it all away and it'll be embarrassing or whatever the fuck it is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I never got into that world.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, bad bots, they're saying on the internet, are 37 to 40%.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not the way that I use them.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we've had just guys on the show about quantum computing and advanced 60 in for structure, making latency virtually zero pervasive connectivity.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: The internet will be embedded, and, to nearly every day, devices merging mobile computing and ambient environmental networks, global reach efforts aim for universal access with experts
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a universal access to the internet by 2050.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big boy number there.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: 90 percent?
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Shit, dude.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Shit.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I bought her not.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the internet's going anywhere.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a selfish thing where, like, you hope, right?
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I'm hoping for it, but, you know, it's not gonna go anywhere unfortunately.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: The things that I enjoy more and more where they lock your phone up, you know?
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, oh, like the comedy shows and stuff, yeah.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they lock it up and they're like, hey, the masters.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing that gig for my bookie at the Masters.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: They take even for the Masters, oh yeah.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I take your phones, you can't take a picture.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: They take your watch.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you have an eye watch or any of that stuff gone, all of that is gone and they take it from you and they're like, hey, just enjoy this moment, this fucking area.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is the most beautiful place on the planets and have this memory live with you.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love it, like I love shit like that, and you really do get to check out of the world where you're like, all right, but then there's other shit, like this self-driving car.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now that you have one, you can't go back, you can't go back after that where you're like, all right, fuck.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I look at what Elon Musk is doing all these cities with the new Robotexies.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those are rolling out in every city right now.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yet, I don't want to talk to a human or have a human drive me or any of that shit.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's going to be safer with robots doing all the driving anyway.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be leaps and bounds safer than it is now.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And is that what they're building tours?
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's take the highway outside of our building
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... ended up having a move and then obviously the expansion of of hardy of self-serend of the southeast circle case and all that other stuff uh... my first thought was would you have traffic if everybody was going the proper speeds and there was no racks no traffic's entirely entirely created by compression waves so why would you need that many lanes in a highway you wouldn't
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, there's like studies that have been done that if you add more lanes to a highway than the the traffic just creates more traffic Yeah, but you can look at the 405 the 405's fucked all the time and it's got I mean There's 90 lanes on the fucking thing same with downtown Austin when we actually know when I was shooting a movie there and I think it was 2011 They were pitching this we're gonna extend 35 whatever they extended it
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: by the time we move there, they extended it again.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, okay, cool, and it's still sucks to drive on every single day.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, man, I look at all this and I don't know what the future of it is.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really don't, because if the AI gets better,
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: like really good like the like the Jared video that we just showed you there and you can create your own movies and films.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to be in on that.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming you're going to need data centers and all that other bullshit which you know people aren't happy about.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that as well.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Me, I think it's just the lack of human interaction.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what disappoints me the most.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where you do get caught up in it and you start talking to somebody and you're like, oh fuck me on this isn't real.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The internet's also just a
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: version of two dogs barking at each other from either side of a fence where as soon as you move the fence they stop barking.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's the entire internet.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the majority of these fights and these arguments would not happen in person.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You would have a civil discussion with them.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had a guy on the show who's a bar still is one of the founding members of bar still KFC.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kevin Clancy's his name.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He bowed out of bar still on his own and just said dude, I don't like the fact that podcasting has become this video.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: thing, and he goes, I can't tell you what I know, what I don't know, but video is the future of podcasting and all that's the ship, blah, blah, blah.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was correct, long story short, and then bar still ended up selling to Netflix, so if you want to watch the video shows, don't Netflix.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get that too, when I think all of us started podcasting.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love the element that it was audio, and it felt like an old radio show now.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But God forbid today, if you don't have high quality cameras in all this fucking tech equipment and everything else, advertisers and all that other shit are going to look at you and be like what the fuck you're doing here.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's strange, but I like to do shows like this to kind of see where this is headed and and get your thoughts.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: What are people in the chat saying right now?
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every day, it's closer to the matrix.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, and which is a truth.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were talking about Claude not actually being fully good AI because of the hoothies did use some to win a tree data from Claude to try and this is a lot of the talk in about that day.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They vibrated, they vibrated the targeting system.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that true?
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you are like the hoothies are using it to attack the Jews.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm using it to create macros on the ATEM.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all about
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, who are these specific, they used to attack other Muslims in Saudi Arabia?
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fuck you, okay.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, all right, but I'm looking at some of the data here from meta, meta is Facebook and Instagram.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they own WhatsApp, maybe.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the other one they own, yeah, yeah.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So boy, I mean, you want to fucking hurry up.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Facebook's got to be the worst, right?
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm going to reach these numbers.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Meta states the roughly four to five percent of active Facebook accounts are fake.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This equals 150 million profiles.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: That even seems like low numbers to me for Facebook.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: That seems high to me.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was going to, for Facebook, I would think it'd be almost completely bots at this point.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, well, there's a theory I'm going to do by the way.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: What?
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I post through Instagram and then it goes to Facebook.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: The groups that I use on Facebook are primarily like drinking bro's groups that are private.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: don't really follow that many crazy accounts or anything.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, I'm being served more shorts, which everybody else is, you know, TikTok and... Yeah, but there's so many shorts that are a, I generated too.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, like we were talking before the show about faceless YouTube channels and faceless TikTok accounts and stuff and where they people will
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: make an account, and then they'll just kind of have an idea for the niche, and then they'll just generate a million scripts, and then as you gather a little video, or have AI make a little video to it, and then boom, upload it, and then do like three a day, or just do like one a day, and have like 20 accounts.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could literally make like,
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: a thousand of those videos ahead of time and schedule them all to release over the next couple of years and then just kick back and it will make money for you monetize it and we've been pitched that by the way full disclosure I do want to say that we have been pitched that they're like look guys total across your network you have 6,000 episodes can we just go through all your back catalog and just chop up clips and everything else and go look the danger in that is you're going to be showing videos from 10 years ago and we don't look
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish we did, okay?
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I still think I look beautiful sometimes?
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I do, but no.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: You obviously know what you look like.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you age and all that other stuff.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's odd.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was a video of me that was chopped up.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where I had a mustache.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in like 20, 17, something like that.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: People were like, oh my God, dude.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know you had someone, so whatever, I'm gonna fucker that was eight years ago.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that.
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you not look at that?
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not understand what's going on.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I go, also, what did you get that?
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was some fucking site that I've never heard of and they had just taken the video and chopped it up.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when we were first approached by it, we've said this on the show in the past, Dan and I were approached by an AI company that wanted to pay us a quarter million a piece.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: for the rights to our AI.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they said, look, we need x amount of hours of somebody to examine their faces and structures and all their other stuff.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we can do wild-ass shit with it.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, D-A-J-10 years, the show will last 10 years longer and it makes you look younger and everything else we can chop up all your clips.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can do commercials for you and everything else with your faces, voices and likeness and all that other shit.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the obvious question was, well, are you gonna do this with democratic commercials
• 46:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: products, we don't believe in that our bullshit.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, well, can't really control that.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I go, I can't, if I don't sign this contract, which is ultimately what ended up happening.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, what's the split?
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the split was 60% to us, 40% to them for life.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're their goddamn minds.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Life.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So for life, they wanted it.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like,
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm good, but also going back to this 2016 year that you guys talked about, there was a rumor in Hollywood of 2016, 2017, that Tom Cruise had sold his AI rights for a billion dollars.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was before AI.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: With a B.E.S.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: did.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how that works.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ah.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you think Tom doesn't know?
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Affleck knew.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, billion dollars is a billion dollars, bet me.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree, and imagine Ben before inflation.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you would want to try to get it on that early.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the one, because the bid two of the biggest shockers to me recently were Martin Scorsese and Ben Affleck.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: There were no notoriously against it.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, we got a movie, he's got to be real and all this sort of shit and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Affleck is look up his company and see how much it was.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're pulling it up right now.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interpositive, just sold to Netflix for 587 miles.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was off by a hundred million.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I apologize.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what the fuck?
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: 587.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that started, I think you started at five or six years ago.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And back then, everybody was still talking shit about it.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not anymore.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then Martin Scorsese is the other one.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: His day I company did the same thing.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, as we keep going through this, like, uh, it's getting worse in the emails.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you that you click on the shit and you get caught in some fishing thing or whatever.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: like, hey, would you like to upgrade and have these AI separate the emails from the other emails?
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And these aren't real and these aren't real and it's like, no, it's still some of them are fake.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't even know how you stop that anymore.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: With emails for me, it's gotten to the point where I, I replied to emails the same way I do with phone calls.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm not expecting it, I'm not even going to open.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: What you guys opinion on these it AI political ads it feels I don't I don't like them.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it feels wrong Well, they're showing them in North Carolina all the time We played one of those show the other day.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's Jill Beckler's bonkers one.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's funny But they do have to stay in there that this is AI and all that other stuff But that's all of this is contributing to this dead internet theory where if anybody can do it, yeah They're gonna fucking do it here And then they're giving you warning signs
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: of a Facebook bot, just in case.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just in case you're out there at the prompt file, people will notice, it's always the Facebook ones.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's always something like this guy in Africa built a windmill, and then it shows like this guy and then a windmill made out of like sticks and stones.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh my god, now there's this whole village.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, but they're saying the same thing.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Say if it's a new account profile is created recently in the last few months, empty profile, same thing with, you know, Twitter, that was the biggest giveaway on Twitter too.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, hey, if it's just some head and Instagram as well.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's this one?
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is the type of thing that old people eat up on face.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, amazing artwork.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: These two kids created just out of just out of bottles.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We should send them money.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fuck, man, fuck.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is, we're still in the early stages of this.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is only going to get better.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, we'll be sending these kids money in Africa for their fucking bottle lions that are making out of old Coca-Cola bottles and shit like that.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, dude.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then there they're passing a bill now in the White House with AI.
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're trying to get it through that's going to have some form of guardrails.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you that's bullshit.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no way.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, what kind of guardrails can they put on it that aren't going to end friend John free speech in some way.
• 51:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's an issue that I see with the approach that.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like the general's light guy's right now is we need to adjust everything else to make it as safe as possible for our kids as opposed to making our kids as strong as possible so they can but stand everything else.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a retarded way to approach things.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You approach the kid for the road, not the road for the kid.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and obviously the reason why we bring AI up so much is this is what is going to create to this dead internet theory at some points.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this, Coup, you in particular, your generation wasn't my space.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was there a point where you got tired of my space?
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of an outlier with all the social media stuff, because I never really liked it from the beginning.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mean that.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: We had started one up, was because it was a good place for us to promote the band.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: After I stopped playing in the band, I didn't start up another social media account until I got into, like,
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: much later in my film industry career where that was the way that new job, like people would contact you about new jobs.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I just got it for, I've only ever had social media for work for some reason.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and for me, I was the same way.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I, I was super late to, Jared was actually the one that got me into it.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So hey, you got to start promoting X, Y, and Z, and he was right at the end of the day.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But let's take Dane Cook.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's how Dane Cook exploded was the exploitation of my space.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was dating somebody who had a my space profile and all the other stuff.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh,
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would go on and I would see what she was posting or looking at or whatever and I was like, even back then, I questioned it.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, but how do you know who this person is?
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like your friends with someone's, I go, do you know that person?
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were like, no, I don't really know them, but they requested me and I was like, well, I know.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did he say here?
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: My space is the story of the year, everyone, but my mother's on it.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yep, yep, and they were and it helped explode his career and all that other shit.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like in the beginning, I still don't understand what is the point, like people would brag about, like, oh, I've got, you know, a thousand friends on Facebook, so like, no, you don't, you don't have any friends on Facebook, you've got friends in real life, right?
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But who are these people that you don't know?
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you care about being friends with these people that you don't know?
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I still don't understand it.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, there's people that I am fans of.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, that's the other reverse of this.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll go back to the Selena Gomez thing, where I'm like, dude, I'll go out of my way to watch it.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Danny McBride, if he's in a show, I'm watching it.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't give a fuck what it is.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a new book out now and all that stuff.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, all right, great.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to the audiobook the other night.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because of social media, I will go out of my way to follow these people and then watch their TV shows or books or anything like that.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, okay, cool.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, do I know him?
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you know, met him a handful of times, but that's about it.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But are we beef rice?
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, we're not.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, it's odd, but I know that I'm following it as a fan.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I am where I'm a fan of this and I like it.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't mind that.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the social media used to be friend-based where it was just you, you were friends with people.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You might like a fan account page or something, but it was mostly about following your friends.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember that's what it was on Instagram and Facebook for me in the early days.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is about who you were actually friends with.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's people who like collected friends.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was mostly still about you have a timeline that's just chronological and you're just talking to people that you know and then at a certain point and I feel like YouTube was probably the first social media type thing that I did this where it was more about
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: the influencers and the people that you don't know, then people that you do know.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Those pair of social relationships started becoming the norm, which is like the pair of social relationships is something that we deal with on like a daily basis, doing what we do.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the people that I like, you know, that other stuff, like I'll like their comment or like their posts, and then go see their thing or whatever it is, right?
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: By their book.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... like dynamic pride or something else but um... what i found over the years i think at this point you know ship been on social media for maybe thirteen years somewhere there uh... i'm being served people that i hate
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even though I checked the box of, like, hey, I don't like this person.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the creator.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Another one will pop up because arguing with these people or things that you hate will drive it so fucking far up that it's like, oh, bad.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a million comments on this.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody fucking hates each other here.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Versus something that's positive.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We were like, oh, man, everybody loves this thing.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And thanks for being here.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for doing this.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that sucks, dude, at the end of the day.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I blame the algorithms for a lot of the strife that's going on in the world right now.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's because they've found that outrage drives engagement more than any other human reaction.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're on a daily basis.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're all just watching outrage porn.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, we enjoy being outraged like this righteous outrage that we get overseeing somebody who's just so obviously evil and we're like, yeah, we're better than those people.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that shit gets traction.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So more shit like that gets posted and we get to this point where we think that the entire fucking world is at each other's throats.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you walk out in the street and everybody's still fucking getting along.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's retarded.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also just super valuable to for these guys to be who are in charge of the algorithms who can kind of sway it one way or another.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, what makes Mark Zuckerberg and Elon's so powerful, right?
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the sophisticated propaganda.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when you look at it, even I got caught up in some of these primaries that were going on.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: The hunger was the biggest one.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was, I think the biggest shock when she lost and was constant to some no name that we'd never heard of.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was like, wait, but who was posting this every day that this woman was the future and this was gonna be the governor of Wisconsin all this other shit.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't get out of a fucking primary for Christ's sakes.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Looking around the world globally, it's not just us, it's other countries here.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So in Australia, 46% of 18 to 24-year-olds, they said that social media was a main source of news.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you know that stat going in, you can just flood it with all the fucking shit, make them believe whatever they want.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guns are bad, all this shit is bad, you're in Islamaphob, whatever the fuck it is.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that could potentially change your mind regarding certain things depending on how they're defining social media, I would think that that number would be closer to 100% because I think even here in the studio, I'd say that we get
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: but 80 to 90% of our news, social media, Twitter, YouTube, but we try to verify the sources of like, okay, I know who this person is, I know who this news outlet is.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then if you notice on fake news, we'll usually attribute it to a specific source.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, this outlet said this and this is where this came from.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, if they fucked it up, that's on their own, but it wasn't us just calling around and everything else, but apparently, if you just look at how much this has changed,
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've doubled in four years and just the country of Australia.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't even imagine what America is for Christ 6.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's like, play, I read one time that, like, Facebook, caused a, like, a revolution to happen in Malaysia or something like that.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh,
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty wild.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, because I'm looking here, the, the other one was in 2019, or the, I'm sorry, the Russia and, uh, Ukraine war, um, my god, man, I mean, they're saying that there was 14 million tweets regarding this a day.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just one way or the other, this is bad, this is good, all that other shits.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that begs the question, what is Elon must not know or he must know.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: and doesn't care like I don't know.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because what information can you use with bots, I guess, are knowing like how much your platform is bots?
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's always said, because I follow him, just to see updates and things like that, that's, you know, we're trying to correct it and trying to get rid of it, but I don't know that you can.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think that you can fully get rid of it.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would assume it'd be better for the platform for Elon to get all of the bots off, right?
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and by the way, because it's so the bots are able to so division which keeps you for long.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they have to keep London.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'll ask you guys this question, then, because it does later on here, say, they ask you on this.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he said that fee, which you pay to get the blue checkmark or whatever you can get now, that is simply for a right access as a way to curb the relentless onslaught of bots and current AI and troll farms can pass off a bot with ease, but if you pay a fee for it, then most people that will determine most people from
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Paying money to have these it'll be too expensive to do it on large on a large scale Put on the other side of everybody you don't need to have a paid Twitter account.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I know but on the other side of that I look at it like wasn't that Elon Musk just making a shit ton of money.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like he created a problem and then profit the problem or, you know, that's coming into something.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're like, oh, yeah, I solved it.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: All you gotta do is just pay me 30 bucks a month and we're all good, dude, and what you're gonna see is real and shit.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they'd want to keep some of those bots on there also to pad the numbers for investors.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes, yes.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was I think that was part of the whole say with Twitter in the first place was I think he initially when they got close He walked and said hey, I haven't gotten the numbers here behind the scenes of how many of these are bots So do you want to give me those fucking numbers here?
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to agree on this and I think the deal went back and forth several times this shit always does and they finally agreed on a number for it But I don't know what was settled behind the scenes
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Jack Dorsey ever gave him the fucking number or if he cared to be honest with you.
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, what is interesting though is Jack Dorsey has the 53 billion and what do he create blue sky.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's really going to that.
• 1:01:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like, uh, you know, it's a true social.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all the rest.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a social for liberals.
• 1:01:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:01:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the primo place for leftist to post death threats without getting in trouble.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I'd say that.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, I would say it's not quite true social because true social has that has Trump in there.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah, it's, there's ways to break this down and say, hey, you know, keep the dead internet theory in mind while you're viewing all this shit, try to keep an eye on what's real and what's fake.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, myself, I've been fooled by it numerous times, a lot, and it keeps getting worse as you get older, too, where you're like, all right, cool, I posted a video last night.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was real.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll give a hand up moment here if you want me out.
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was a real video last night It made me laugh my ass off.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's been going on for a couple of weeks and I was fucking bored and I was like, yeah, I don't post this It was a black guy phone off a balcony there it is right there
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, that does look really bad.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: No shit.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Really fucking convincing.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It helps that it's not super high quality.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then people immediately started saying, hey, this is AI, whatever.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then I got to the point, here's the sickness of it.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't care, I've seen this video before too, by the way.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't care that it was AI.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just fucking hilarious to me.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what's that going to be called?
• 1:03:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we just don't care anymore.
• 1:03:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's where we get into the AI Slop territory.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Although I don't know if that would qualify as AI Slop if it's this looks real.
• 1:03:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say this counts as Slop.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, yeah, it's still in.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it?
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go Tiffany Gomez on this and say this mother fucker looks real.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or is not real.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it looks real.
• 1:03:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the, but that's not what makes something Slop.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it, exactly?
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Slots of me, I thought was, hey, if this looks like shit and everything else.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would say there's like high quality sloth out there, especially as Aya and gets better.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's just the fact that it didn't have an organically, it's a fake video.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody came up with a funny situation and created an AI video to pass it off.
• 1:04:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: as something real, so it falls into the slot category.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But how real does this look, guys?
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it looks real.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very convincing, for sure.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, as like a look at this is like a from a writer standpoint, what would make you want to write this little six second scene?
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: of a black guy shirtless drinking out of a red solo cup, which I'm doing right now.
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: What would make you want to create this to other than the clicks in the views?
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I understand that, but to go through the realness of it because one would think that would take a long time to create these people in the screens and all that other shit I added the edge here and song by the way.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's on me.
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a nice touch, actually.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought so too.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: With this here, I don't think that you would need
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: shitload of engineering to get a prompt to put this together.
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you just sort of feed it the scene, it can fill in the blanks.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's surprisingly good at doing that.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This looks like Atlanta, get us though.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like where, you know, it was a body of mine who lived down there and I wouldn't go down and see much.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's be real, but when I did, this looks like dynamical.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like they did a really great job of this.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, whoever did this and that's where me personally you get fooled by shit like this.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, okay.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why this niche?
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why downtown or to get over to barbecue in the middle of the afternoon where everybody else is growing out and it looks like.
• 1:05:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's three other girls.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: This looks like a normal fucking day.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, my guess is the author of this video was writing what he knows because as a writer, that's what you do.
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You think so?
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I like me personally.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think I could put a scene like this together?
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: How many times in my life have I seen something like that?
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, yeah, now you're right, you're right.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess the shit that I've made on there so far hasn't looked this great.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not there yet.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: This looks as real as it comes.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this is, I hear something.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just to confirm, by the way.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody in the past, it looks like AI now.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, honey, one thing AI is going to be the grill, especially.
• 1:06:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, also one thing AI usually screws up as gravity.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really understand gravity.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the way that he falls down, like what's the reason for him to fall on to the rail that way.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the grill, I guess, but I mean, if you were just lean and over.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, everybody's reaction, that's it.
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's part of it.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, that does not surprise me.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: They want to know if the food got fucked up.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they care about him.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's part of the comedic aspect to it, right?
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, but they're probably like, yeah, man, we just bought this.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, much beef prices are right now, motherfucker.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this sucks.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wendy's is closing down 315 stores.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And looking at that guy, if he was real, he's probably the type of guy that's done this before.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that like it's all of this is totally fucking believable here for me.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I didn't think of thing about it, and I've watched it a thousand times, and I love it, and it's fine.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then that's the other sickness to this.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: What if we all start getting used to this, because we love it, and we just don't care?
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so something that actually popped in my head while we were doing this episode is I remember the conversation that I had with, I can't remember if it was with my mom and my dad, but when I was younger, that
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some point, one of my parents actually sat me down and talked to me about stuff on TV not being real and not believing things on TV and until I'm old enough to understand what's real and what's not real.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It will just do the same thing with AI.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like these, I think that some of these problems are kind of getting blown out of proportion because that's more exciting than looking at it reasonably.
• 1:08:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, posting about a monoline is some existential threat is gonna get more traction than being like, well, you know, as a species, we've been through changes like this multiple times throughout history, or probably gonna be fine.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Things are gonna change what we're gonna be fine in the long run.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's, I guess that's what my biggest hope is, where we've all been, like every generation's been through some fucked up shit, right?
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The internet's a big one, I will give it that, but I think we'll be fine.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is the internet, though, worse than news propaganda from like the 60s and 70s?
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, because it's more powerful.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my personal opinion, I've said this a handful of times before, but I still believe that I think the internet is the most destructive invention since Gunpowder.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: The invention that is going to have the most consequential effects on us as a species since the invention of Gunpowder.
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it already is like it's it's already talking as far as like deaths or destruction or wars or shaking believe shaping us as a species like shaping our path through life like becoming it like Islam or something like that where you're converting and you're like yeah brainwashed online well it's more like the
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The differences in our daily lives, the way that affects our daily lives is more consequential than gunpowder was.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the invention of gunpowder, altered the course of human history, it not only changed the way that we fight wars, it changed the way that we mine for minerals and even pyroworks and shit like that.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a bigger than that.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most powerful tools to ever be invented.
• 1:09:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the internet is the new version of gunpowder.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then gunpowder didn't die.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's still around because it's still doing.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's alive and well.
• 1:09:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's still doing great.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a useful tool and until we no longer need to blow things up, we're going to keep using gunpowder.
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what about the drones then?
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: These unmanned drones that's everybody's investing in.
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple companies here in North Carolina.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've chatted with that.
• 1:10:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's primarily what they're doing.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Working on for the future.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, gotten powder drones are they're going to have a big influence on
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: warfare for sure the next major war is going to be swarm warfare.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure a big part of it's happening right now in Iran is happening in Ukraine, Russia and Ukraine, especially yeah.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think yet drones are a big part of the future.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there is consequential is the internet is, but I mean, I think that's how the majority of space travel is going to happen is we're going to have bomb-noymen probes like just flying out into deep space because no humans going to be able to live long enough to explore anything.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then let me flip this for you guys.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people who are moving off the grid.
• 1:10:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people who are shit.
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a big, you can look it out.
• 1:10:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've looked it up in the past here on the show, Luke, but it's in California, it's a bunch of tech bros who are trying to create this community where it's all their own.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And,
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: you're kind of essentially living in like the 1950s and 60s, where there's like a movie theater in town, everybody works in these towns.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody else is allowed in.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: You own the land, the property, the businesses, and all that other shit.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in a weird way, I love it.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not rich enough to do shit like this, obviously.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to be invited.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to want to work a job.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to be willing to contribute to your community and all that other shits and they don't really want to be online.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason I bring this up is it's happened to a family member and they went off the fucking grid.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: All in you know who it is.
• 1:11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of your family members?
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know you personally know who it is.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll tell you out to this show if you don't, like off the top of your head.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm curious.
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Middle and nowhere.
• 1:12:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and you're not allowed to have electronics, anything else.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one television in the house, and it's got a VCR.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you can watch VCR tapes, but you cannot.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You won't be able to watch ABC News or CBS or CNN or Fox or anything else.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they bought a shit ton of acres.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were from California, moved out to the middle of America, bought cheap land, set up houses, set up arrestions, set up everything.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they don't have phones.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no cell phone service there, there's nothing.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you're just, I think, let me say it's about 20, 25 of them, who are living like that off the land and stuff.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the houses are near each other, the parents, and the kids are near each other.
• 1:12:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Grandkids are near each other, like, and they would prefer not to know what the fuck is going on.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, you're speaking my language.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they have an open spot, I'm there.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, you'd have to be willing to, you know, that's it, right?
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dad, look, Dan has talked about that.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is certain point.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you would be in for that?
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no hesitation.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only, so my sister and I have talked about this a bunch of times, if either one of us ever became like multi-billionaires, or we won, you know, a few hundred million dollars in the lottery or something.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We would find somewhere, probably close to our hometown, just out in the countryside,
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: build up a big compound and just live there with our friends and family.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who'd somebody else Jared, Dan, I think it was Caleb Francis was the other one.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were looking at like a, I want to say West Virginia or Virginia.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like 140 acres or 150 acres, whatever it was, right?
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, hey, this will be our retirement thing and everybody can fuck right off, right?
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say this, Jared was is has been close to doing it and where he lives now, where there's,
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's got five or six properties on the on the thing and different, you know, all of our friends live there.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know them all and everybody's pretty fucking happy.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that is the thing now if you hear about like the.
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: the day-to-day way that things work over a Jared's place with all those guys living there, suspiciously close to communism.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's because on a small scale, it's a commune.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, on a small scale like that.
• 1:14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Communism and socialism can totally work.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how it works in a family.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And with a small community, it can absolutely work.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you blow it up into these giant cities that are completely unnatural and not
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: not the way humans are meant to live yet fucking breaks down and turns into a way to kill millions of people.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why, though, and what's the, what's the magic number?
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because you, you've pulled the article up, Luke, thank you for finding this.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: These tech billionaires that are really building utopian California City.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it called California Forever is real, but it's just a California doover.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love all this.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it's beautiful there like the weather is so amazing there so you don't have to worry about shit.
• 1:15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what's the number then that you would have to keep this side you think?
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: To be safe.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I had to go for a specific scientifically back number, I'd say between 100 and 150 people is the largest in any community can get because that's the maximum amount of people that the average human brain can actually care about and see as people.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We call it the
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Generally, the maximum number of people that you can actually bond with and really care about as a person outside of that is just pure empathy.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't really care about those people.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You care about the idea.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, any community bigger than 100 to 150 people, that's when you're going to start running into issues.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But under that, when everybody is actually, so you look at it like like a family or even extended family, like maybe with some really close family friends or
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can run that completely communistically.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can run it like a commune where some people who can contribute more can contribute more that people that need to take more take more.
• 1:16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really gets upset about it because it's a family.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's taking care of each other.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: You bring in some fucking stranger that nobody knows that starts taking your food and not contributing.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get mad out.
• 1:16:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: On a big scale, there's just no way it can work because that's not how humans are.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wired to work.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that's called primitive communism is the name of that.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it would be.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard that theory, but I'll say this.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It applies to, I think one of the reasons why I moved in the same neighborhood here before we left.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Six and a half years apart was I knew all the families, my wife did, my kids, had their friends and all their stuff, then we moved back in, right?
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's always barbecues and get together and all that other stuff, and that number is roughly between 20 and 30, I think.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the kids fell off a bike or whatever it was.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But all of this jumped in to help, right?
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, if I can 10, 12 of us immediately, that we're like, hey, dude, you're going to be okay.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: All this, we'll take you to the next.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... bandage up take you home on this other stuff and uh... don't freak out we're all here right uh... one of us called the dad and everything and uh... and we all got involved and then he was grateful we were all grateful and it was a it was an awesome feeling where it was just like okay great this is what a community and uh... and all that other stuff should feel like um... i wonder with this let's just call it the dead internet theory here if this if this ever goes that route if more and more people start doing that
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's finding people with common beliefs.
• 1:17:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe in what you do and are willing to help out, willing to step in, look after one another and your kids and all that other stuff.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they're just tired of the bullshit online or what they're seeing and everything else.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if that doesn't start becoming more and more popular as the years go on?
• 1:17:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it'll ever become significant.
• 1:18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
• 1:18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
• 1:18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I don't either because of the younger generation.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even though when I'm telling you about, there's a couple of people there that are like, fuck man, we should get watched in news or we should get a text or something, right?
• 1:18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's probably a reason that we don't already have little stuff like that, you know.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we used to, but we've developed our way out of it.
• 1:18:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's because like the direction that it seems like a lot of these these types of communities are pushing towards.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: is really just rebuilding the communities that we had like back around the turn of the century and before.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where that's how everybody lived is it's not necessarily that you would have a bunch of small communes but you would have communities within a city and they would all support each other.
• 1:18:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it started to break down.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when it was just small groups of people living in providing for themselves, that's just when
• 1:18:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be a time that people crave.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and looking at this, this tech billionaire thing that I had you pull up here, Bluek, is the amount of people and lawsuits that have bitched about this city being built, even though they own the land, is wild.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think,
• 1:19:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think part of it is if they can do it, why couldn't everybody else and then you don't really have to contribute to anything?
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the tax structure would be on that.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have to pay taxes?
• 1:19:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's in California.
• 1:19:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're still on a state taxes, but if you're your own city in town, do you have to pay that?
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everybody's got to pay federal taxes.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, they don't really own the land like they're, they purchase the land, but the land is still part of the state.
• 1:19:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, so they'd still have to pay property.
• 1:19:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Properties taxes, things like that, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: But for the other parts of it, like, you know, we've got local city taxes, all their stuff for, for potiles on the same.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if they have that, I'm not sure how it'll work.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would think they'd all have to pay into it.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be curious to know how their utilities and stuff work are they going to have their own power plant, like a solar power plant, or they get in.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are they sourcing their own water?
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are they getting it from the state infrastructure?
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's a great question.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about that because if I'm not mistaken, I think California might actually have a law as about not using state infrastructure utilities like electric not being on the power grid, not being connected to water.
• 1:20:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're required to be.
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But water's coming in from out of the state anyways.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that one, yeah, electrical, that's an interesting one.
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're still going to pay for it.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So why would you care, I guess?
• 1:20:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: because you gotta pay utility bill.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I, the reason I bring that up is I recall, I'd have to look into it again, but I recall hearing a story a handful of years back where somebody was trying to live fully off-grid and they got into a legal battle because the state law required them to be connected to the state grid.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were forced to pay into the system.
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: They can't live fully off-grid.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because this, if we're I see headed, but Bluke, I agree with you.
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this will be niche.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think many people will buy into this.
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people are just so sucked in.
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: All this shit already that they're like, I can't give this up right now.
• 1:21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's like, you know, if you're living there, you're, you know, there's going to come a day where you want Norio, you know, everybody likes to have their treats.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you live in these places, you're probably not going to have many treats.
• 1:21:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, also I think communities like this are naturally going to have
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: the younger generations are naturally going to leave because that's what younger generations do even in most big cities is you move away from the place that you grew up and I think that that might be sort of like an instinctual drive that that people have is you get away from where you grew up so you can find a more diverse genetic pool to breed with or it's a survival thing but yeah I think the younger generations would naturally move out of those common like living situations
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you think to back when when you're kids, right, like you're with your parents and whatever, then you want your own freedom, then you want to move away and do acts, whatever that is.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go to a different college, live in a different city, everything else, but it's weird as you get older.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: You miss your family and then you end up moving closer back together.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes it's not necessarily on purpose.
• 1:22:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, oh, yeah, well, fuck.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel more comfortable with you and you and you and this is what I want to do.
• 1:22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which also, in my opinion, it's a good thing.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or it's like, okay, my mom's birthday was over the weekend.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: should be my drinking bro the week here at the end of the show but some her birthday was over the weekend and i said we'd surprise her had this surprise party and everything else and i'd asked her this morning and said what was what was the most enjoyable thing and she was just like it was truthfully like just being around family it's just it's not gifts any more it's not you know the cake or any of that stuff it is just hanging out and being a family and
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: She likes football.
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we were watching, I think it was the Ole Miss game.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ole Miss versus LSU, which was a big game anyways.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was fun.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But none of us were on her phones.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: None of it.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody was, you know, there was no internet.
• 1:23:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was no nothing.
• 1:23:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Shit, I don't even know if I pick my phone up until like two, three o'clock the next day.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like whenever it was and just got to enjoy your family and wish you had more time and moments like that.
• 1:23:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if that comes with age.
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: or everything else that's going on in the world.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good question.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, now that you bring it up, that you know the family reunion that I went to out in Oregon a month or two ago at this point, that was a really common discussion that, I mean, it came up over and over throughout the course of the weekend, where when I was a kid,
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: our family was extremely close like it would be get together is it somebody's house almost every single weekend whether it was a big one with like 20 or 30 people or a small one with 5 to 10 it was every single weekend the family was getting together for something and we stopped doing that and for I'd say a good 20 years nobody really cared that it had stopped but all of us had started getting this yearning to have those family get together again that's
• 1:24:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: and all of us had the same stories like yeah lately I've just been missing the family connection that we used to have when we all lived in the same town and we got together every single weekend so it it could be a combination of us getting older influenced by what's going on with with the internet and social media right now even right now phones going off in pocket it's let's see if this is his spam risk hello hi this is Heather O'Neill I'm reaching out to see if you're still looking to borrow some cash through a personal loan
• 1:24:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's dead internet theory.
• 1:24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
• 1:24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lots looking for a loan.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: estimated rates around 5.6%.
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And payments around $788 a month.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Depending on the amount, term, qualifications, and final review.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: We just need to go over a few details with you to confirm what terms may be available.
• 1:25:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Call me at 833-662-5741.
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you are not interested, press 9.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's just kind of been better on Q here today,
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't gotten a personal loan, having got anything, and that is an AI bot calling me if I will.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: call back potentially another AI bot to discuss a personal loan about the things like why would you even give out that information you know what I'm saying like that that doesn't make any sense yeah and you know for sure that it would be another AI agent answering when you call back right just just fucking maddening um i was on the phone with a bank the other day uh this was monday last monday uh so eight days ago and i'm trying to press the buttons to get
• 1:26:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have them like, oh my god dude, I'm like what the fuck.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I had to wait for this human, that took 54 minutes.
• 1:26:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Finally got that human on the phone.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I needed the question I needed answered, obviously.
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I go, hey, did this AI thing accidentally delete my fucking debit card?
• 1:26:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: She goes, oh yeah, did.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really sorry about that.
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go great, just can you connect it?
• 1:26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And whatever she goes, no, that's disconnected.
• 1:26:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you're gonna have to pay to get another one.
• 1:26:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, well, you're my debit card all the time.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So can we just,
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: ship that tomorrow at least like you guys fucked this up and I'm and it was like voice prompts and shit like I wasn't pressing but you know and they go yeah we're going to have to charge you $15 for that and they go you can get it you know a race like we'll take back the $15 but I go but do I have to call you back and go through this whole process again?
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, you're going to have to do that.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So go, so another 54 minutes for a prompt and an AI thing that I didn't use and all that other bullshit.
• 1:27:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was the answer.
• 1:27:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, yeah, sorry about that.
• 1:27:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we'll make a note of it on our side in the system, but there's anything else we can help you with.
• 1:27:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then immediately I get a survey as soon as I get off the phone.
• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey can you answer the survey about how we did and all the others who who who's the fucking survey the AI bought that you had like I might give in a survey on the fake person or who's that survey on because they fucked up this entire thing.
• 1:27:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I'm talking about and it's fucking endless dude it's endless so.
• 1:27:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: If the dead internet theory is real and then the phones, you know, that's the other thing with spam calls and risk and all that stuff.
• 1:27:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know there's sites you can sign up for.
• 1:27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if those are real.
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the other part of this.
• 1:27:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're just like, what the fuck are we all doing right now?
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what everybody's having a hard time with at the end of the day.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yes, everybody's going through a struggle in the economy and diesel and beef and I wasn't kidding about the Wendy's thing.
• 1:28:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, about an hour ago, they just said they're shutting down 315 Wendy's because the B prices were too high.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which, that's fucking Wendy's bro.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I didn't know that was possible.
• 1:28:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but, uh, When you are going through hard times like this and then everything else is AI and nothing seems real.
• 1:28:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's when shit gets dangerous.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's when shit gets real dangerous.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: We were like, all right, if none of this seems real, what the fuck doesn't matter then right now.
• 1:28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like, um, with this AI within internet, with like,
• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, work taking you away from family and community and everything.
• 1:28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It can make you feel alienated from it, and that's when things start to get dangerous.
• 1:28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it.
• 1:28:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not exactly this job isn't very long every day.
• 1:28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
• 1:28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: This job is seven hours.
• 1:28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:28:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:28:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking about that.
• 1:28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, but, you know, people are working real shit because we got, we got listeners who don't real shit out there, fucking manual labor and all that stuff, but I probably
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so.
• 1:29:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:29:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they deserve it.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: No shit.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're it's like two.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're working 12, 14 hours a day, logging all the shit around and everything.
• 1:29:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
• 1:29:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but what a what a fucking strange thing last night, man.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was all because of a quarterback injury for the giants.
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got involved in this, and I was like, all right, well, something to think about tomorrow.
• 1:29:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Show already lost my fucking money for the night.
• 1:29:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That guy's not coming back after the second series.
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, fuck it.
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now's the one to show.
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We get to the drinking bro of the week.
• 1:29:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can submit on drinkingbrows.com.
• 1:29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Real T-shirts, real bro boxes, real everything there.
• 1:29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Flock hunters, I'm not going to say that that shirt changed it, but you know, you didn't Wilmington, these crossovers started selling these, they crushed, and then our city personally canceled plot cameras after this.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I don't want to say that it's me, but
• 1:30:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: maybe it is.
• 1:30:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if other people want to say it, that's that's fine.
• 1:30:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
• 1:30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to like heavily imply it, yeah, you're more than welcome to it down points.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, yeah, bro box has been on fire.
• 1:30:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, just looks at the new designs earlier this morning for next month.
• 1:30:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So super amps, Penn State shirts been on fire, uh, Yellowstone, Cartwheel champion, uh, the Lindsey Clancy shirt has been on fire.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's been great.
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's next to it?
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to see the next one.
• 1:30:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that, uh, red skin shirt?
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, communist aren't real people, that one's doing really well too.
• 1:30:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the bathing suits, we're in fall season now.
• 1:30:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna put my bathing suit away for the, you know.
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You could still wear it around the house, crank up the heat, in a baby pool.
• 1:30:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just put a baby pool in front of the couch, in the garden one of these, man.
• 1:30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I think I would, I think it would look great in one of these little two pieces.
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: We did have a request for, was at the, the hunks of Tetherball Academy in the other day or something.
• 1:31:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll be into that, you know, I'll be in an after-sure.
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can also submit on the app.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Drinking Bros. App is free on iPhones and Android's, and it's got a wall-like Facebook.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: All real people in there.
• 1:31:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's a way to get a, I might have said, there's no way to get a bot on there.
• 1:31:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody could have a burner, I guess, but if, you know, the, it sucks.
• 1:31:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope not.
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why we invented it.
• 1:31:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just have someplace that's real for everybody,
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a real community.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we're working on video and all those stuff as we've mentioned over the past few weeks and it's very, very close.
• 1:31:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: My drinking bro the week though is personal to me.
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Family flu in this weekend was my mom's 70th birthday.
• 1:31:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, mom.
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love you.
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 1:31:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... had a lot of fun and again it was that that was a big part of what got me to think about this it was simply the fact that's all she really cared about it's seven years old was like hey and she's a young seventy by the way like yeah i look thirty three she looks you know probably fifty like i'd say like it's it's wild dude but
• 1:32:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest takeaway for me was again, how happy she was with family being around all that other stuff and it had nothing to do with the internet or phones or any of that other stuff and it was great.
• 1:32:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was great.
• 1:32:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I really enjoyed it.
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So did she.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, just having some more moments like this out in the world really fucking helps man, especially when she's hard like this economically and everywhere else.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll share a personal story too with the end of the day yesterday, I'm usually making calls and invoices and that's stuff in the office and very prominent podcaster called me and they say, hey,
• 1:33:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: what do you do with the audience right now trying to get to this tough time where you know a lot of things aren't great with gas and beef and uh... and groceries and all that other stuff and it's like man just trying to have more real conversations and some fun and and let everybody know that you're there form on a daily basis and at least there's one thing you can tune into that'll be here day in a day out no matter what happens
• 1:33:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: and you can at least be around people that you like, you have something in common with, and that's what we are here, and that's what we do, and always have.
• 1:33:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're heading into year 12 here in November, and we'll see.
• 1:33:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know Dan instead of the other day, but if you're depending upon a politician and change your life, it ain't gonna happen.
• 1:33:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: We love you out there good it seems right the show five starting leave a quick review Also, I don't know if it's spotify.
• 1:33:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a five star and you can walk away at that point I know I said it's top saying it, but I'm not going to anymore.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not all right all the videos up there now Every single video is up there from Miguel so go over there from Miguel and tell me did a good job for Christ Okay, well, you did it I still can't believe it 2,000 for an episode
• 1:34:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2,400 was what it was, pretty fucking crazy though.
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Crazy.
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But even though he's not here, I'll say goodbye for him for damn that an Anthony Holloway.
• 1:34:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Ross Patterson.
• 1:34:25
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• 1:34:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good night everyone.