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Ricki Lake Opens Up About 90's Talk Show, New Birth Control Doc, Hair Loss, Ayahuasca + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wait that answer in the morning Breakfast Club Morning, everybody
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Speaker 1: is DJ Envy Angela, Ye, Charlomagne the guy. We are
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Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: Ricky Lake, the legend, the legend. You're too kind, Good morning,
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Speaker 1: nice to see you. Ah Well, funny you should mentioned
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Speaker 1: that I'm doing a new show where I'm doing a
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Speaker 1: podcast with my old show called Raised by by Ricky? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? I think that's a great idea.
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Speaker 1: I'm I just realized what the concept is just now
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Speaker 1: when you said it, because I just thought it was
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Speaker 1: going to be you know, you're doing a podcast, you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about current events, but you're reliving the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go back in time and break down these episodes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, lemon on a Media is
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Speaker 1: an amazing podcast company. These women are badasses, and they
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Speaker 1: approached me and I, you know, I've been asking to
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Speaker 1: a podcast, as everyone has over the years, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, no, No, we to Abby Epstein, my partner
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Speaker 1: and I good morning talking about it, my filmmaking partner.
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy she's here. But no, this concept something
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Speaker 1: about you know, first of all, it's a thirty. This
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Speaker 1: year's thirty years that I did the pilot of the
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Speaker 1: Ricky Lations. So I was twenty three years old when
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Speaker 1: I did the pilot. I'm now fifty three, so you know,
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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to me. I think what we
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Speaker 1: were able to do back then, I didn't think of
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Speaker 1: it at the time is groundbreaking. But the issues we
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Speaker 1: were able to cover, the way we treated gay people,
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Speaker 1: the way we treated mixed race couples, the way we
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Speaker 1: treat you know, it was just we covered a lot
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Speaker 1: of bases, and I think it'll be really interesting to
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Speaker 1: go back with the lens of now where we are now,
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Speaker 1: Have we made progress, have we gone backwards? And we're
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Speaker 1: going to have a co host that's gen Z, that's
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Speaker 1: probably you know, someone who's non binary, is certainly a
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Speaker 1: person of color and who didn't grow up with me,
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Speaker 1: and kind of tell the story and bring back old guests,
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Speaker 1: old experts, and I think it'll be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: You know what I love about shows like Rickey Lake,
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Speaker 1: even Donna Hue back in the day, even early Oprah,
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Speaker 1: y'all sat down with people you had differences with, You
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Speaker 1: sat down with people you may not have agreed with. Nowadays,
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Speaker 1: if you do that, they'll call you problematic. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't understand that. I don't either, I mean, and that's
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Speaker 1: why I'm glad I don't have the show that I
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Speaker 1: had back then. Now it just feels like you're walking
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Speaker 1: on eggshells. No matter what you do, you're gonna piss
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Speaker 1: someone off. And Yeah, I just think it's it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a cool experiment. I mean, I think we're all
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Speaker 1: nostalgic for that time, the nineties, and I'm up for it. No,
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Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and you'll do that. I
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Speaker 1: would love to see that. I'd love to see anything.
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Speaker 1: We didn't ask one question, how are you amazing? The
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Speaker 1: best me I have ever been, you know, which is
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Speaker 1: like I did that show and my name was on
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Speaker 1: the rug and I didn't really have a sense of
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Speaker 1: who I was. And I think in making these documentaries
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Speaker 1: that I've been making with Abby for more than fifteen years,
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Speaker 1: I've really come into a place of like knowing my
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Speaker 1: voice and what I believe in and what I stand for.
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Speaker 1: And I've now you know, gone dark. I lost my
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Speaker 1: partner five years ago to my olarn suicide, but I've
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Speaker 1: now five years later, met the man of my dreams
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Speaker 1: and I just got married two months ago. I'm correct.
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Speaker 1: I live in my best life. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: How are you Abby? I'm so good. I'm so happy
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Speaker 1: to be with this woman. We just had our double
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Speaker 1: feature or last night, and we watched this movie we
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Speaker 1: made fourteen years ago in the same theater that it
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Speaker 1: premiered in at the IFC Center, Business of Being Born,
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Speaker 1: and we just both sat there with my son who's
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Speaker 1: now fifteen, who was born in the movie. Wow, and
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Speaker 1: like we had chills the whole time, you know, because
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Speaker 1: we were watching is going. I can't believe that we
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Speaker 1: made this in two thousand and eight. It still holds up.
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Speaker 1: It was powerful from the beginning. Before you, guys met
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Speaker 1: what made you start the Rickey Lake Show? You were
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Speaker 1: only twenty four years old? What said? What made you
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Speaker 1: think this is what I want to do? You want
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Speaker 1: to the honest truth? Absolutely, it was the job that
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Speaker 1: came along. Honestly, I had been a guest. I don't
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Speaker 1: you guys are younger than me, but I well, I'm
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Speaker 1: fifty three and I was I did okay, I did
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Speaker 1: Hairspray when I was eighteen, and I Letterman David Letterman
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Speaker 1: was a big fan of John Waters, and so he
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Speaker 1: would have me on over and over again, kind of
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Speaker 1: like Sandra Bernhard back then. And it was from those
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Speaker 1: appearances that they thought of me. They were this guy
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Speaker 1: garth An's here. It was a kind of media whiz.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to do a younger show because he looked
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Speaker 1: at Oprah and Donahue and they were skewing over fifty five.
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Speaker 1: So they wanted to do something to skew towards younger women,
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Speaker 1: primarily women eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine.
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Speaker 1: So they went on a search and I was one
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Speaker 1: of a hundred women at that time. I went and
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Speaker 1: flirted with three gay guys. I didn't know they were gay,
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Speaker 1: but I just brought out my skills and they gave
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Speaker 1: me the pilot and I was like so broke. At
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Speaker 1: that time, I was living in a poolhouse in the
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Speaker 1: valley north of Victory, if anybody knows where that is.
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Speaker 1: No one spoke English, and I you know, I was
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Speaker 1: kind of couldn't get my agent to call me back.
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Speaker 1: And I got this opportunity. I was like, all right,
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Speaker 1: I'll do it. Five thousand dollars I needed my rent
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Speaker 1: paid for a year and I'll do it for that.
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Speaker 1: Luckily we renegotiated and it turned it into this phenomenon.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't a calculated move. Every step of my career,
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Speaker 1: including the business of being born, is never coming from
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Speaker 1: a place of like seeing the big picture. It's really about,
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Speaker 1: all right, that sounds good, I could do it. So
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Speaker 1: I think I have this confidence in me and also
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Speaker 1: this like naivete you know, and it's worked out. You
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Speaker 1: got five Well yeah, yeah, I did, but the first season.
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Speaker 1: So then my agent did get involved and they packaged
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Speaker 1: the shows. No, the pilot, the pilot was initially that
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Speaker 1: was my opening bid was I'll do it for five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And then the first year, you know, at
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Speaker 1: my salary, I don't remember what it was. But at
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Speaker 1: the end of the first year the show was such
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Speaker 1: a huge success. This is nineteen ninety three, they gave
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Speaker 1: me a bonus of a half million dollars. Wow. Really, yes,
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in ninety three. A lot of
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Speaker 1: that was a lot of money for real, Like I
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Speaker 1: was broke. I My house was for clothes at that time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was needing that money. And it was you know,
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Speaker 1: that show. It was I mean, it was just my life.
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Speaker 1: Like I didn't have the concept, like I'm twenty four
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Speaker 1: years old. I don't even know who I am, you
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Speaker 1: know who like the audacity to get on that stage
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Speaker 1: and moderate these panels. But I think looking back at it,
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Speaker 1: I was I was the perfect kind of person for
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Speaker 1: that role because I was a good listener. You know,
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Speaker 1: it was very forthcoming about my own you know, hardshifts.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm so fascinated by people. I don't judge people,
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Speaker 1: and so I think you're so real. You're so real.
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Speaker 1: Anybody who meets Ricky, any of my friends, but anyone
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Speaker 1: meets Ricky in five minutes, they go that woman has
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Speaker 1: the biggest heart and she's just so real. Like you
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Speaker 1: don't meet a lot of celebrities that are like that
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Speaker 1: anti celebrity quality. And I think that's really what worked
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Speaker 1: on that show. The show was a party, you know.
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Speaker 1: It was just like you know, the people that came
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Speaker 1: to our show, they waited months and months and months
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Speaker 1: to get tickets back then, and you know, it was
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Speaker 1: always surprising. I mean it was a little formulaic. I
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Speaker 1: have to admit, like I knew, you know, I knew
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Speaker 1: from the names I could tell. Okay, this is a
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Speaker 1: black story. The first guests. The first guests were always
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Speaker 1: the most outrageous, you know, and then we'd have the
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Speaker 1: white story and then we you know, we'd balance it out.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like we we did do a lot
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Speaker 1: of good. Like we you know, we we definitely saw
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Speaker 1: people and many times that they're worst, But I feel
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Speaker 1: like I treated everyone equally. I treated everyone with compassion
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Speaker 1: and it was a good time. Did you said something
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Speaker 1: earlier that was interesting? You said, um, you know, you
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Speaker 1: said a lot right about what women had to go
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Speaker 1: through because you're obviously talented, But you said you had
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Speaker 1: to flirt with the executives. I didn't. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it was a prerequisite. It was just my It was
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Speaker 1: my m o ian. I wasn't even like I was,
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Speaker 1: you know, very like heavy set, and I, you know,
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Speaker 1: wore a big flower hat probably. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 1: have a really game. I didn't have any game back then,
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Speaker 1: but I knew how to be charming and appealing and
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Speaker 1: it worked. It worked in my favor. But um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the only game I know. I was going to ask,
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Speaker 1: how did you guys me? Was that so funny? Can
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Speaker 1: you tell them? Okay? So I was directing a show.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the show The Vagina Monologues. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: do you remember that? That was also like started in
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Speaker 1: the in the They made an HBO. Yeah, it did
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Speaker 1: a special, but it was a play off Broadway ran
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Speaker 1: for a really long time. Um. And so originally we
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Speaker 1: had three actresses that would rotate every two weeks. So
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Speaker 1: every two weeks, three celebrities would come in and I
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Speaker 1: would put them into the play. And Ricky came in
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Speaker 1: one week, and like I said, she's so real, you know,
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Speaker 1: like most of these celebrities, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really want to get drinks with them after.
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Speaker 1: I just want to do my job and go home.
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Speaker 1: And then Ricky and I rode the bus home together
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Speaker 1: and she just had me on the floor, like she
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Speaker 1: just had me at hello. And so we met and
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Speaker 1: then I guess this was like years later we met
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Speaker 1: in like ninety nine or two thousand, I got pregnant
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Speaker 1: with my second son, and then I was wanting a
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Speaker 1: home birth, like I was getting educated about my options,
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Speaker 1: and so I was telling her and she's like, you're crazy,
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Speaker 1: You're crazy, You're crazy. And then I got to vote
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven was a huge turning point for me
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Speaker 1: where I was living downtown and I, you know, I
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Speaker 1: thought we were going to die. I watched the second
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Speaker 1: plane hit the building, and I in that moment of
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Speaker 1: being on the roof of my building with my four
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Speaker 1: year old and I had a two month old at
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Speaker 1: the time, I said, I'm leaving if I get out
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Speaker 1: of this, you know alive, I'm leaving New York. I'm
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Speaker 1: leaving this job and I'm leaving this man. And I
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Speaker 1: moved to La It took a year and a half.
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Speaker 1: I had to finish my contract. I didn't end up
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Speaker 1: quitting my show per se, but I ended I didn't
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Speaker 1: renew my contract that back then, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: start a new life. And that's when I started soul
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Speaker 1: searching about what it where, what I wanted to do
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Speaker 1: where I can make a difference. And we made the
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Speaker 1: business of being born. But you know, I had her
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Speaker 1: come out. I said, you got to come out and
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Speaker 1: see my fat house in Brentwood. Yeah, and see my
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Speaker 1: new life. Yeah. I'd like basically stopped at her new
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Speaker 1: house on my way back to Lax miss my flight
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Speaker 1: because we started talking and I had made one documentary
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Speaker 1: at that point about violence against women, and I knew
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Speaker 1: how to roughly make a documentary. And she was like,
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Speaker 1: I have this idea for this project. It's about midwiffery
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Speaker 1: and home birth. And I was like, this does not
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Speaker 1: sound commercial, this does not sound like a like a
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Speaker 1: hot seller. I had no idea what a midwife was.
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Speaker 1: And then she whipped out her little video care for
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Speaker 1: my nine hour homebirth video on my little you know
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Speaker 1: cam quarter and I gave it to her and I said, here,
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Speaker 1: I hadn't even watched it. I gave it to her
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Speaker 1: and gave her a couple of books, and she came
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Speaker 1: back and she goes, I think we can make a documentary.
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Speaker 1: And then the magic of this film, it took three
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Speaker 1: and a half years to make, is she got pregnant
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Speaker 1: two years into the making of the film. And then
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Speaker 1: her story, her dramatic story of her birth, is in
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Speaker 1: the the end of the film. That was intense last
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Speaker 1: night when we were watching it again. And he's there
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Speaker 1: with her new husband, Ross, who's never seen the movie.
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Speaker 1: I'm there with my son who's born in the movie,
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Speaker 1: who's never seen the movie. My ex is sitting in
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Speaker 1: front of me it was like and he shot the
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Speaker 1: movie and it was really intense. But yeah, so we
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Speaker 1: both we both give birth essentially in that movie. So
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Speaker 1: it's a really rare kind of documentary where it's a
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Speaker 1: personal piece about the filmmakers and then it's also like
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Speaker 1: a very political piece and it's still so relevant to
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Speaker 1: come out. Oh three and a half years, oh, because
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Speaker 1: that's how long they make. This one that we just
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Speaker 1: released last night. The Business would Be of birth Control
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Speaker 1: took seven years. Seven. We started it in twenty fifteen
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Speaker 1: because twenty fifteen. First of all, you guys, nobody wants
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Speaker 1: to give you any money to talk about and especially
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Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, we want to talk about women's health. Uh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we want to talk about like how crappy the birth
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Speaker 1: control pill is. Yeah, I don't think I want to
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Speaker 1: fund that. I mean it's controversial. Um, there's no celebrity
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Speaker 1: and big Pharma has their hands on everything. So for
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Speaker 1: us to get into sort of mainstream media, there's all
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Speaker 1: this backlash. You know, Yeah, you're not Jesse Coach. Jesse's
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Speaker 1: I know, friend of the your show, and she's she's
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Speaker 1: heavily in our film, she's in the movie. We love
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Speaker 1: her but like this message, it's like Netflix, HBO, They're
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Speaker 1: not going to make this movie with us. There's no
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Speaker 1: way with what we want to say. In the business
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Speaker 1: of birth control, there's no way. So you know, you
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Speaker 1: start in twenty fifteen, you do a Kickstarter, you get
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Speaker 1: a little chunk of money, you make a sizzle reel,
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Speaker 1: you know. You just it's like and then we did
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Speaker 1: this movie Weed the People in twenty eighteen, so we
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Speaker 1: had like another movie in the middle of the movie
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Speaker 1: that's about cannabis. Yeah, that's about cannabis and children with cancer.
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Speaker 1: And then um so yeah, just it takes a while.
11:44
Speaker 1: And also because like when you're making these films, these
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Speaker 1: films take so much work, right, but they're also your
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Speaker 1: side hustle in a way, like nobody's paying you, you
11:52
Speaker 1: know at the time, so you're just like working on
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Speaker 1: them when you can. Yeah, they're just like passion project
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Speaker 1: passion there for sure. They always them out at the
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Speaker 1: right time. Like I think the business of birth control
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Speaker 1: releasing now, like this is the moment for it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: especially with women's you know, reproductive rights, you know, being
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Speaker 1: script away. Everybody's gop people. So yeah, so what is
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Speaker 1: the business of birth control. We well, what in the
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Speaker 1: same way, did you ever see the business of being born? No,
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Speaker 1: I haven't. I urge you too, because it's really you know,
12:21
Speaker 1: we take a hard look at what birth you know,
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Speaker 1: the birthing world, the medical system when it comes to birth,
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Speaker 1: and the same thing. We look at the pill, the
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Speaker 1: history of the pill, the racist piece of it. Did
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Speaker 1: you know that they tested you tell they tested the
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Speaker 1: drug the pill initially on black and brown women in
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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. M Yeah, I mean I think that at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's sort of like you
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Speaker 1: can equate the business of birth control to in a way,
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Speaker 1: the opiate epidemic. You know, it's really profits over people. Um,
12:49
Speaker 1: it's it's the way you know, we know women's bodies
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Speaker 1: have been co opted and controlled and exploited for years. So,
12:55
Speaker 1: like Ricky was saying, the film covers a lot of ground.
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Speaker 1: It's it's truly mind blowing. I think people sit there
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Speaker 1: for ninety minutes and they're like, I didn't know any
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Speaker 1: of this shit, Like I literally didn't know anything in
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Speaker 1: your movie. So one thing is we look at some
13:10
Speaker 1: of the products that are out there, like the neeuver
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Speaker 1: ring that's had a lot a lot of women die
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Speaker 1: on it, and you never hear about any of it.
13:19
Speaker 1: You never hear about any of it because you get
13:21
Speaker 1: gag orders when you accept settlements. So when the drug
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Speaker 1: company settles with all these victims, they're then not allowed
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Speaker 1: to do any promotion. So the stories in our film
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Speaker 1: are the families who wouldn't settle. They didn't take the
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Speaker 1: money because they want to change the labeling on these products.
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Speaker 1: They don't want other girls to die. So we tell
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Speaker 1: that story. And then, like Ricky was saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: we look back in time over the way birth control
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Speaker 1: has been tied into eugenics, the way that it's always
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Speaker 1: been used to, you know, weaponize basically against communities of color.
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Speaker 1: How obstetrics was literally founded on slavery in Africa, the
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Speaker 1: pill was tested on women in Puerto Rico, and on
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Speaker 1: and on and on um. And then we also look
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Speaker 1: at in a positive way, you know, we look at
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Speaker 1: this new generation that does not want to take the
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Speaker 1: pill that their grandmothers took. UM. They're woke, they're ecological,
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Speaker 1: they don't want to put you know, hormones, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: acrin disruptors in their body. And so if the pharmaceutical
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Speaker 1: companies aren't going to come along with like healthier options.
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Speaker 1: They're going to make them up. You know, we're going
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Speaker 1: to invent them. So you look at all these cool
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Speaker 1: femtech entrepreneurs and in a way, I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: the younger generation, it's like they're they're kind of a
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Speaker 1: do it yourself generation. They're not going to rely on
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Speaker 1: these big companies. And so you know, we look at
14:42
Speaker 1: all the innovation that's happening, which is super cool. Didn't
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Speaker 1: explore any of Margaret Sanger oh yeah, okay, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that happened during the making the film. It happened
14:52
Speaker 1: during the film, which was interesting. Yeah, so we originally
14:56
Speaker 1: I remember, like Gloria Steinem's on early cut, and you know,
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Speaker 1: one was worried about that Margaret sang her legacy, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're going to take her down. I think we're really
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Speaker 1: fair to her in the movie. But then at the
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Speaker 1: end of the movie, we show an update about how
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Speaker 1: Plan Parenthood New York City took her name off the clinic,
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Speaker 1: so you know that it's not so like they Plan
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Speaker 1: parent finally had to come out and say, you know,
15:17
Speaker 1: let's be transparent, like we cannot be identified with our founder.
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Speaker 1: So again, that's why I think the timing of the
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Speaker 1: movie was so good, because I think having that conversation
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Speaker 1: about Margaret sang her five years ago and have happened
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Speaker 1: like we would have gotten a lot of pushback. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: my wife doesn't like birk control. That's why I get
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Speaker 1: a sectomina because we just had a four of dogs.
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Speaker 1: She's six months old. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: refused to get back on Burke control because it makes
15:41
Speaker 1: us sick. She hates it. Yeah, it's awful, Like all
15:44
Speaker 1: the options are terrible. And you go out there and
15:46
Speaker 1: talk to anybody and they will tell you their birth
15:49
Speaker 1: control journey, and they'll tell you every product they used
15:51
Speaker 1: and how depressed it made them, or how they lost
15:54
Speaker 1: their sex drive, or how they got In my case,
15:55
Speaker 1: I mean, I had hair loss. I don't know, if
15:57
Speaker 1: you know, dealing my hair is pretty much it came back.
16:01
Speaker 1: But well, that's part of it. I think it's a
16:05
Speaker 1: lot of things. I was putting extensions in my hair,
16:07
Speaker 1: I was coloring my hair. I was stressed about my hair.
16:09
Speaker 1: I have androgenetic alopecia, which is the you know, genetic
16:13
Speaker 1: hair loss over years. Yeah, it was all above, but
16:15
Speaker 1: definite message your hormones. Think about it, you know. And
16:18
Speaker 1: it's like what we say in the film, It's like
16:20
Speaker 1: sometimes now these kids are getting put on twelve thirteen
16:23
Speaker 1: years old for acne, for cramps, you know, like you'll
16:27
Speaker 1: see with your daughters. It's like you you got to
16:29
Speaker 1: make these decisions, right when you have like a thirteen
16:32
Speaker 1: year old, fourteen year old that's like, oh, but my period,
16:34
Speaker 1: cramps are so bad. And then the doctor saying, well,
16:37
Speaker 1: just put her on the pill. That'll take care of everything.
16:39
Speaker 1: That's how they treat everything, and um, and that's that's
16:44
Speaker 1: not going to cut it. That's not gonna cut it
16:45
Speaker 1: for the new generation. So I think it's like, you know,
16:48
Speaker 1: two things. One is there's a lot of things that
16:50
Speaker 1: people are getting put on the pill four that have
16:52
Speaker 1: nothing to do with birth control, right, acne um fiosoids,
16:57
Speaker 1: pcos right. So we need actual treatments for these conditions.
17:01
Speaker 1: We need studies yea happen on women studies, yeah. And
17:05
Speaker 1: then you know, we need to be more educated about
17:08
Speaker 1: the menstrual cycle so that there's other ways to intervene
17:11
Speaker 1: and relieve cramps or whatever the issues are. Because what's
17:14
Speaker 1: happening is these girls are going on at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
17:18
Speaker 1: they're not really you know, they're hormones, they're not really developing.
17:21
Speaker 1: They're on something that's cut like basically putting them into
17:24
Speaker 1: menopause at thirteen, and they're not and they're staying on it.
17:29
Speaker 1: Then they stay on it for maybe ten twenty years.
17:32
Speaker 1: I mean this drugs were not designed or FDA approved
17:36
Speaker 1: to be on for twenty y Did you know that
17:39
Speaker 1: when you're on these drugs, it changes your pheromones? Yes,
17:42
Speaker 1: changes who you're attracted to. They do this T shirt
17:45
Speaker 1: test that was out of what's Sweden or something Scotland. Yeah,
17:49
Speaker 1: so it's actually your so your pheromones. You know, it's
17:53
Speaker 1: like how you you can smell out attraction, right, So
17:56
Speaker 1: you know how if you like have sex with certain people,
17:59
Speaker 1: you like their smell, you don't like their smell, right,
18:01
Speaker 1: that smell is actually giving your body information about their DNA.
18:06
Speaker 1: It's actually telling you whether you're going to make healthy
18:09
Speaker 1: offspring with that person. Wow. And when you go on
18:14
Speaker 1: these birth control products, it takes that like animal sense offline,
18:18
Speaker 1: so you can't smell anymore. So they say, like for women,
18:21
Speaker 1: the line is you're going to be attracted to someone
18:24
Speaker 1: who's more like brother than other, so you're attracted to
18:27
Speaker 1: more maybe kind of feminine men. You know, men that
18:32
Speaker 1: aren't don't have that kind of opposite polarity. And so
18:37
Speaker 1: you hear this a lot anecdotally right that women either
18:41
Speaker 1: go like are with a partner, decide they need some protection,
18:44
Speaker 1: go on the pill. Suddenly they're not attracted anymore, or
18:47
Speaker 1: the opposite of the opposite, when they go off to
18:48
Speaker 1: family plan, they suddenly are not into their guys. Are
18:50
Speaker 1: you about to make YouTube conspiracy thing? YouTube conspiracy so
18:56
Speaker 1: that it can even help you? It canna make you change,
18:58
Speaker 1: you do what genda you like as well? No? Oh no,
19:00
Speaker 1: oh okay? Condition. So how did you get your hair
19:08
Speaker 1: back healthy? So I you okay? So I think it's
19:10
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Like I said, I don't stress anymore.
19:11
Speaker 1: I mean when I shaved my head in grand fashion
19:14
Speaker 1: the turn of twenty twenty, I mean I did it
19:16
Speaker 1: in a way like can you curse on the show? Okay,
19:18
Speaker 1: I said, fuck it, Like I was so done with
19:23
Speaker 1: struggling about my hair. It was my deep dark secret.
19:25
Speaker 1: Every time I looked in the Mira could see my scalp,
19:26
Speaker 1: and it just it just drove me crazy and the
19:28
Speaker 1: extensions were pulling. I'm sure many of your much of
19:30
Speaker 1: your audience knows what that's like. It's just it's just
19:32
Speaker 1: it was painful. And it was because I was a
19:35
Speaker 1: public figure and because I'm so outspoken and honest and authentic.
19:39
Speaker 1: I this was this piece of myself that I was hiding,
19:42
Speaker 1: and I just decided, all right, I'm gonna rock a
19:43
Speaker 1: bald head. You know, I don't know how it's going
19:45
Speaker 1: to look. My friends were telling me, don't worry, you
19:47
Speaker 1: can do. You're gonna be able to pull it off.
19:48
Speaker 1: And I just did it and gave up. And then
19:50
Speaker 1: I came into finding this product that I'm now an
19:53
Speaker 1: ambassador of. I've never taken an endorsement in my thirty
19:56
Speaker 1: plus year career. It's called hard Clinic and it's a
19:58
Speaker 1: shampoo and extract something about the fermentation. I can't explain it,
20:03
Speaker 1: but it's non toxic and it's helped my care to
20:05
Speaker 1: be as healthy as it as it can be. Now
20:07
Speaker 1: you know where I'm going next. Were you offended by
20:09
Speaker 1: Chris rocks joke towards Jada Pink? I mean I was
20:12
Speaker 1: more offended by his actions. It's like it's by Will
20:15
Speaker 1: Smith's actions. I mean, like I used to say on
20:17
Speaker 1: my old show, violence is never the answer, and the
20:19
Speaker 1: fact that it went to that extreme, I mean nothing,
20:23
Speaker 1: nothing that comes out of anyone's mouth justifies a physical altercation.
20:27
Speaker 1: But I also did feel for Jada in that moment
20:29
Speaker 1: because I would hate to be the butt of that
20:32
Speaker 1: joke if someone were, and that was one of my fears.
20:34
Speaker 1: When I did shave my head, like I didn't, I
20:37
Speaker 1: didn't know what the reaction would be and I couldn't
20:40
Speaker 1: think that far ahead. But I was so scared of
20:41
Speaker 1: people making fun of me or's calling me names. So
20:45
Speaker 1: I definitely definitely struck a nerve for me because I
20:47
Speaker 1: think women's suffering with that condition. It's not funny if yeah, no, no,
20:53
Speaker 1: I think. I mean there's a lot to the story.
20:55
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all speculating, but I think there was
20:57
Speaker 1: a history with them and the Oscars. So I don't know.
21:01
Speaker 1: I mean I saw this morning that her her reaction
21:04
Speaker 1: to the slap. After the slap, she sort of smiled.
21:06
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know, but I know for me personally,
21:09
Speaker 1: definitely a joke about a woman's hair loss is not
21:12
Speaker 1: is not funny. How have you been doing mentally? Because
21:14
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of the things, right we
21:16
Speaker 1: talk about your husband at at Tick's life and the
21:18
Speaker 1: hair loss and everything that you've been going to. How
21:21
Speaker 1: have you been doing and how have you been coping? Well? Now,
21:24
Speaker 1: I mean now I'm literally in the happiest place in
21:27
Speaker 1: my entire life, which says a lot, because I've been
21:29
Speaker 1: a really happy person. I've had a blessed you know,
21:32
Speaker 1: abundant life and career. My kids are great. I mean
21:35
Speaker 1: that's really the start. It's like you're only as happy
21:37
Speaker 1: as your least happy child. And both my kids and
21:40
Speaker 1: my four step children are all great right now. And
21:43
Speaker 1: my new husband is just a dream. So I you know,
21:45
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been given a second lease on life,
21:48
Speaker 1: you know, after losing Christian. I mean I never thought
21:52
Speaker 1: I could be as low as that. I mean that
21:54
Speaker 1: the level of despair I had to be literally physically
21:58
Speaker 1: picked up off the floor. And I remember, I mean
22:00
Speaker 1: this was just five years ago. I would force myself
22:03
Speaker 1: I had a dog, and I would force myself to
22:04
Speaker 1: walk outside at the beach and smile at the sun
22:07
Speaker 1: and find gratitude, find something to be grateful for. And
22:10
Speaker 1: I you know, there were dark, dark days. I never
22:13
Speaker 1: thought I'd be in a place of peace and happiness.
22:15
Speaker 1: And I really am like I just like I said
22:19
Speaker 1: when we first started, It's like I feel like I'm
22:21
Speaker 1: the best me that I've ever been. I really know myself,
22:24
Speaker 1: I really love myself. I've you know, through this journey
22:27
Speaker 1: of shaving my head and that was a badass move
22:30
Speaker 1: and I came out of it, okay, you know, so
22:34
Speaker 1: like all of it is a journey. I'm fifty three,
22:36
Speaker 1: and I guess when you turn fifty you kind of
22:39
Speaker 1: get a sense of who you who you are, and
22:41
Speaker 1: also you don't care what people think as much. Yeah,
22:43
Speaker 1: I don't really care what people think of me. I
22:45
Speaker 1: know my side of the street is clean. I'm a
22:47
Speaker 1: good person and I appreciate every day. So to answer
22:50
Speaker 1: your question, I'm great. How do how does one allowed
22:54
Speaker 1: himselves the love again and be loved after something like that?
22:59
Speaker 1: I vote always felt that I've been like deserving of love.
23:02
Speaker 1: You know. I think I chose partners um that either
23:06
Speaker 1: were physically a certain way so I felt better about myself.
23:09
Speaker 1: I chose partners that needed me that so I saw
23:12
Speaker 1: my value in that they needed fixing or they needed
23:15
Speaker 1: taken care of. I mean, this is the first time
23:17
Speaker 1: in my entire life, and I've had many of this
23:19
Speaker 1: my third marriage, where I'm with someone who's my equal,
23:22
Speaker 1: who brings as much to the to the to the
23:24
Speaker 1: relationship as I bring, and that I think comes down
23:28
Speaker 1: to like self, self worth and self love. Well, there
23:31
Speaker 1: was there any guilt, because I'm sure people will say
23:33
Speaker 1: to you, oh, five years, that wasn't long with who
23:35
Speaker 1: would they to say that, Oh yeah, it was a
23:38
Speaker 1: long five years. It was a long five years. And
23:40
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody has to say, Like I
23:42
Speaker 1: I and I continue to honor this, this man that
23:48
Speaker 1: I lost, I mean, he was he was my greatest teacher.
23:51
Speaker 1: To this day, he's my greatest teacher. Christian Evans was
23:53
Speaker 1: so special and so ill and I didn't even know
23:56
Speaker 1: what bipolar was when when I got with him. I'd
23:58
Speaker 1: never experienced it, I know, he told me when we met,
24:01
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I was diagnosed by polar and I
24:03
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, and I'm a control freak. We
24:04
Speaker 1: all have our things, you know. I didn't understand what
24:07
Speaker 1: a manic episode was, and so you know with Kanye,
24:10
Speaker 1: I mean like I really, I really, I just I
24:14
Speaker 1: just know that to be the loved one going through
24:19
Speaker 1: that and you know, losing Christian the way I did.
24:22
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the trauma was the episode, the
24:25
Speaker 1: first episode versus the suicide, because seeing your loved one
24:29
Speaker 1: change on a dime and and become so destructive and
24:33
Speaker 1: so like just someone I didn't recognize. But you know,
24:36
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work in these five years.
24:38
Speaker 1: And and I think also with Ross, my my husband, now,
24:42
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I deserve him, you know, it's
24:44
Speaker 1: really like I know my value and I I really
24:48
Speaker 1: just I called him in, you know, I manifested him,
24:51
Speaker 1: and I you know, just just I yeah, I relish
24:54
Speaker 1: this time in my life, in this relationship you've lived,
24:57
Speaker 1: You've lived all the big pop culture stories with the
25:03
Speaker 1: I have. I mean, it's all so sort of it resonates,
25:07
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the oscars, Like you know, I
25:09
Speaker 1: was going on Monday, I did a promotional for this
25:12
Speaker 1: hair company that I've been working with, and there's the
25:14
Speaker 1: night before that that happened with the joke. You know,
25:16
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it feels like my life, my life
25:18
Speaker 1: is a movie. It really, it really is so true.
25:20
Speaker 1: You have lived them all. And also you know she
25:23
Speaker 1: she speaks about them like she's gone to give talks
25:26
Speaker 1: on mental health, and yes, and I think that that's um,
25:31
Speaker 1: you know, it's I think just being a witness to
25:34
Speaker 1: what she went through with Christian, you know, that kind
25:38
Speaker 1: of bipolarity. It is so tricky. It is so tricky
25:43
Speaker 1: because it doesn't present as an illness like it sometimes
25:47
Speaker 1: presents first as if the person's actually doing great, because
25:50
Speaker 1: you don't realize that they're ascending toward that that mania.
25:55
Speaker 1: You know. So it's it's you can't intervene, you can't
25:58
Speaker 1: tell somebody, oh I think you're a little well, you know,
26:01
Speaker 1: it's it's it was. It was an impossible situation. It
26:04
Speaker 1: was like you guys did everything, tried everything, therapy, drugs.
26:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I just that's what's super frustrating to everybody
26:11
Speaker 1: dealing with the resources to have the money. And I
26:14
Speaker 1: tried to save him. I saved him twice and I
26:16
Speaker 1: couldn't save him a third time. And you know, yeah,
26:20
Speaker 1: I'm the fixer, you know, I'm someone that like really
26:23
Speaker 1: does like like you know, create, like you know, and
26:26
Speaker 1: I couldn't and it was really really hard to come
26:28
Speaker 1: to terms with that. I'd love to hear some of
26:30
Speaker 1: those practices you talked about. You know, I'm big on
26:33
Speaker 1: mental health and mindfulness. And I heard you say you
26:36
Speaker 1: you manifested you know, Ross, Like, what are some of
26:38
Speaker 1: the things you do on a daily I mean, I
26:40
Speaker 1: know on a daily I was going to mention ayahuasca.
26:42
Speaker 1: I do not do that on the daily. I want to.
26:43
Speaker 1: I can't not on a daily, but I can't wait
26:45
Speaker 1: to do it. It's calling me. They don't it's calling you, exactly.
26:48
Speaker 1: It has to be a calling. And the first time
26:49
Speaker 1: I did it, I did it with Christian and I
26:51
Speaker 1: did it because he was doing it and I didn't
26:52
Speaker 1: want him to do without me. That is not the
26:54
Speaker 1: reason to do it. And it was a horrible experience.
26:56
Speaker 1: But I've done it now about fourteen times over a
26:58
Speaker 1: period of last ten years, and m't. Well, it's it's
27:04
Speaker 1: a it's awful. It's going to hell and back. It's
27:08
Speaker 1: literally going to the darkest, darkest I mean, oh my gosh.
27:12
Speaker 1: And every time it has been so different. I did
27:13
Speaker 1: it back in Abiza, I did it, did it in
27:15
Speaker 1: Northern California, I did into Panga. I've done it all
27:17
Speaker 1: over and you know, my my mostly my intention. You
27:20
Speaker 1: have to send an intention, and my intention to do
27:22
Speaker 1: it was letting go and and and I did it
27:25
Speaker 1: once after Christian passed twice after Christian passed away, and
27:28
Speaker 1: you get these messages, you get these downloads, and you
27:31
Speaker 1: you see God. I mean you you see God. It
27:34
Speaker 1: is one time in particular that that I was with Christian.
27:38
Speaker 1: I was up in northern California under the redwoods, and
27:40
Speaker 1: we were outside. It was during the day. It was
27:41
Speaker 1: the only time I ever did it in daylight, and
27:44
Speaker 1: I remember just being on the ground like praying, rent
27:48
Speaker 1: bowing and and I could literally see and feel the
27:52
Speaker 1: Earth's heartbeat in my hands pulsating, and it oh you got,
27:56
Speaker 1: I mean I have just just talking about it brings
27:59
Speaker 1: you back. I mean, it's it's medicine. They say you
28:01
Speaker 1: do ten years of therapy in one night of ayahuasca,
28:04
Speaker 1: and I think that's remember the plant. That was the
28:06
Speaker 1: time the plant told you let him go. Yes, I'd
28:09
Speaker 1: have to let him go. You have to let him go.
28:10
Speaker 1: I mean I've had so yeah, it's been I mean,
28:12
Speaker 1: I'm not called to do it again. Right now, but
28:15
Speaker 1: I certainly it's it's very powerful medicine. I've also done combo.
28:18
Speaker 1: I've done that twice. I've done I mean, I'm like
28:21
Speaker 1: a secret combo is the frog poison? No, it's not
28:25
Speaker 1: the five m Ao d MT. It's what they burn
28:28
Speaker 1: your skin, that the top lay of your skin, and
28:29
Speaker 1: they put the medicine in and it does a scan.
28:32
Speaker 1: It's supposedly be the strongest natural antibiotic and it can
28:37
Speaker 1: heal you from so many different ailments. So I've done.
28:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like a seeker. I'm I'm curious and
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm always up for growth. So I'm trying to think
28:45
Speaker 1: of the other things I've done. What if I, oh,
28:47
Speaker 1: Burnie Man. I started going to Burnie Man. What's burning Man?
28:52
Speaker 1: But you're burning man fields like white freakni It is
28:56
Speaker 1: for everyone. It is Bernie Man, is is it? I
28:59
Speaker 1: can't say festival is not a festival. It is a city,
29:02
Speaker 1: the huge place over a week. You have never heard
29:05
Speaker 1: of burning. I have all my friends to burn the
29:09
Speaker 1: best place in the world. I'm going I'm bringing. Oh
29:13
Speaker 1: my goodness, you need to google it. My friend. It's
29:17
Speaker 1: it's I know, Bob and Bernik and yeah, I mean
29:22
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a place where you go and
29:25
Speaker 1: you are in that moment. You are present, you are free,
29:28
Speaker 1: you engage with people. It's a it's a city. There's
29:30
Speaker 1: no exchange of currency or anything. You bring gifts, but
29:33
Speaker 1: you give gifts um and you don't do it for
29:36
Speaker 1: anything other than giving you You know, it's people are
29:39
Speaker 1: are at their highest vibe at Burnie Man. But it's
29:43
Speaker 1: a place where they call drugs medicines. That's all you
29:45
Speaker 1: need to know. You you do not they have AA
29:50
Speaker 1: meetings on the play. You do not have to do
29:52
Speaker 1: anything you don't want to do. But it's like magic
29:55
Speaker 1: happens on the play. Aff I don't know. I guess
29:56
Speaker 1: I'm sounding too. I'm gonna go one day. My homie
29:59
Speaker 1: Andrews old goals all the time. He was like, you
30:01
Speaker 1: got to call me to Burning Man when I'm gonna
30:03
Speaker 1: go on. If you're called to do it, I urge
30:05
Speaker 1: you to go. Haven't been implia. Let me just tell
30:09
Speaker 1: you the ply has a lot more fun. Yeah, I
30:13
Speaker 1: know the PLI is Burning Man. They call it that.
30:15
Speaker 1: The desert the land. Yeah, you did twelve seasons at
30:18
Speaker 1: a Rickey Leagull eleven and then I went back and
30:21
Speaker 1: did a new version of the show that only ran
30:24
Speaker 1: for one year. But I won the Emmy that year.
30:26
Speaker 1: And you said you walked away from it. I did
30:28
Speaker 1: the first show. I just didn't renew. Yeah, I mean
30:31
Speaker 1: it kind of run its course. Nine to eleven had happened.
30:34
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to get out of New York.
30:36
Speaker 1: I was going through a divorce. I mean, it just
30:38
Speaker 1: it just kind of fell apart. I mean, you know,
30:39
Speaker 1: Maury just ended his show. I mean I feel like
30:42
Speaker 1: I could have had a run like that. I'm personnel.
30:46
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. I love Maury, but I
30:48
Speaker 1: I yeah, eleven years was enough for the first show.
30:50
Speaker 1: The second show, I wanted to do more of a
30:52
Speaker 1: Donnie Who type show, and that was my my concept.
30:55
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the elevated content, more provocative and
30:57
Speaker 1: thought provoking, and it didn't turn out to be. That
31:00
Speaker 1: was difference between the first run in the second run,
31:02
Speaker 1: Because say you want to end one was successful. I
31:04
Speaker 1: don't know the first one. I mean, I think the
31:07
Speaker 1: timing of the first one and being in New York
31:09
Speaker 1: at that time was magic. You know. The second one,
31:12
Speaker 1: I was in bed with the wrong company. I think
31:14
Speaker 1: the executive that was in charge of my production, we
31:16
Speaker 1: had different visions, you know, he wanted a different type
31:19
Speaker 1: of show than I wanted to do, and I, you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: goes back to making the business of being born with Abby.
31:23
Speaker 1: I kind of have a sense of who I am
31:25
Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't back then, and uh yeah,
31:27
Speaker 1: So it was just you know, in bed you did
31:30
Speaker 1: some good shows, though, you really did. We did, we did.
31:32
Speaker 1: I actually did a show on suicide, which is so
31:35
Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't have I didn't have a his
31:38
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that at the time, but I
31:40
Speaker 1: was called to do it and I fought so hard.
31:42
Speaker 1: He said it was never gonna rate. It was never
31:43
Speaker 1: gonna and I felt like we needed to do it,
31:45
Speaker 1: and it was one of the shows I'm really proud of.
31:49
Speaker 1: How difficult is it for any person to have a
31:52
Speaker 1: successful daytime talk show, Oh my god, I think it's
31:55
Speaker 1: near impossible. I mean, in the time that I did
31:57
Speaker 1: my show eleven years and we used to go to
31:59
Speaker 1: the Nappy Convention every year and there'd be you know,
32:01
Speaker 1: a dozen half a dozen news shows come and go
32:04
Speaker 1: and they you know, they'd last for you know, not
32:06
Speaker 1: very long. I think it's a rare talent. Like it's
32:10
Speaker 1: like I don't think it's something that was taught to me.
32:11
Speaker 1: I think it was like a natural fit, you know.
32:13
Speaker 1: For me. It's a unique relationship I think that you
32:17
Speaker 1: have with the world more than being an actor on
32:21
Speaker 1: a TV show. I feel like because Ricky was in
32:24
Speaker 1: everybody's living room and people ran home from school at
32:27
Speaker 1: three o'clock every day to watch Ricky Lake, watch Ricky Lake.
32:30
Speaker 1: Like literally, you know, I can see just from traveling
32:33
Speaker 1: the world with her, Like We'll be in some hotel
32:35
Speaker 1: lobby in Australia and like, you know, like ten gay
32:39
Speaker 1: men will come up to her like sobbing, you know,
32:42
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, you validated us and you
32:45
Speaker 1: don't know what you meant, and you know, And I
32:47
Speaker 1: think that they have a different relationship with her just
32:50
Speaker 1: because the nature of that show. It's like it's like
32:52
Speaker 1: she was the perspective of the audience, you know what
32:55
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she was she was sort of your
32:57
Speaker 1: lens into this like world of madness. So it's it's
33:01
Speaker 1: interesting to see I've never really seen um, I've never
33:05
Speaker 1: really seen anybody where it's kind of like her fans
33:10
Speaker 1: appreciate her and like yesterday we're walking down the street
33:13
Speaker 1: and people are screaming her name down the street in
33:15
Speaker 1: New York. That's Ricky, Like I saw you on Wendy
33:18
Speaker 1: Williams this morning, Hi, Ricky, Hi Ricky. Like she just
33:21
Speaker 1: feels approachable, more approachable in that way, because I think
33:25
Speaker 1: we lose sense of how many people grew up on her,
33:28
Speaker 1: like it was one of the original absolute formats. And
33:31
Speaker 1: I think the nineties celebrity actually meant something in them. Yes,
33:36
Speaker 1: doesn't anybody You can you can lick the bottom of
33:40
Speaker 1: a told foot now and be a TikTok about you
33:42
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, celebrity meant something in the nineties.
33:45
Speaker 1: And it feels like everyone or a lot of people
33:47
Speaker 1: have an agenda, Like it's like it's whether sell a
33:49
Speaker 1: product or push some you know. And I guess in
33:52
Speaker 1: a way we are pushing our but our thing is
33:54
Speaker 1: to help women. Documentary like yeah, you know, yeah, it's
34:00
Speaker 1: celebrity has changed. I agree, And and just the tone
34:03
Speaker 1: that like like I don't know how you guys do it.
34:05
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever like second guess what
34:07
Speaker 1: you're about to say. For fear of like like backlash
34:11
Speaker 1: or something. But I feel like I was able to say,
34:14
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to like censor myself before
34:17
Speaker 1: I say it, and can Yeah, we've been canceled a
34:20
Speaker 1: million times. I mean we've been doing it for twelve years,
34:22
Speaker 1: so things have changed over has it shifted in these
34:24
Speaker 1: twelve years. So it's things that they try to go
34:28
Speaker 1: back and cancel us for. But yeah, yeah, you know,
34:32
Speaker 1: it's just that's the way it's part to me, Yeah,
34:35
Speaker 1: because nobody wants to have the conversation about how culture shifted. Yeah,
34:38
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to hold people accountable for things
34:40
Speaker 1: they said, yeah in public forums ten years ago, fifteen
34:44
Speaker 1: years ago culture exactly. And I felt like that last
34:47
Speaker 1: night when we watched both our movies back to back,
34:49
Speaker 1: you know, and we're watching this movie we made fourteen
34:52
Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm a little nervous watching it, you know,
34:54
Speaker 1: just for that reason, because you're sitting there like, oh,
34:57
Speaker 1: did we have enough people of color in the movie.
34:59
Speaker 1: Oh God, we just said something about Britney Spears in
35:02
Speaker 1: the movie. Little you know, things that like today might
35:04
Speaker 1: not fly. You know, I was gonna ask we always
35:07
Speaker 1: talk about the Mount Rushmore of things route much more,
35:09
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of comedians, what ship, Mount Rushmore of talk
35:13
Speaker 1: show hosts. Okay, Oprah for sure, Oprah, Donna Hue. I
35:17
Speaker 1: loved Donnie back in the day. I loved Darcineo. I
35:21
Speaker 1: watched him. Oh can we do late night too? Can talk? Oh?
35:23
Speaker 1: Sorry time? Okay, okay, daytime. Let me think, Oh my god,
35:27
Speaker 1: throw some names at me and I'll tell you what
35:28
Speaker 1: I think of him. Um, Oprah, Donnie was a good start. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
35:34
Speaker 1: I mean Sally Sally, Oh, Monte Montell was a good
35:40
Speaker 1: guy to show with him. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's more,
35:44
Speaker 1: There's more of what I'm like. There were so many.
35:47
Speaker 1: Come on, you just did that reunion on Tamaran Hall.
35:50
Speaker 1: Who was there? Oh that was Rolando was there and
35:52
Speaker 1: Montell was there. Yeah. When Tamara Tamara was up here
35:55
Speaker 1: like last week and she said your name and Roland
35:57
Speaker 1: and I was like, I mean, you know quote, I didn't.
36:00
Speaker 1: I didn't think of Roland. Hadn't heard the name in
36:01
Speaker 1: a wild like I mean, tempest bled Zoe had a show,
36:05
Speaker 1: Carney Wilson had a show. I mean, yeah, everyone successful. No,
36:09
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they only ran for
36:11
Speaker 1: any Queen Latina. Yeah, I mean yesterday I went and
36:15
Speaker 1: did the Wendy Williams Show without Wendy Williams. But it
36:18
Speaker 1: was in my old studio. Wow, So like I hadn't
36:20
Speaker 1: been back there in like fifteen years, sixteen years or
36:23
Speaker 1: something like that. They Montell's old studio. Yeah, uh Monte
36:27
Speaker 1: Maury was there too, the twenty six Street studios. But yeah,
36:30
Speaker 1: it's all just like it just feels like these chapters
36:33
Speaker 1: in my life. And now with this new podcast, I'm
36:34
Speaker 1: gonna do. I get to go back, right, I think
36:36
Speaker 1: it'll be good. Yeah, I wonder what the Raised by
36:38
Speaker 1: Ricky podcast? What did he make you miss most about
36:41
Speaker 1: doing the Ricky Lakes Show? The money money, I mean
36:53
Speaker 1: it was funny money. I didn't even like like getting
36:55
Speaker 1: a bonus of a half million dollars. Come on, come on,
36:59
Speaker 1: it's like the bud of our entire documentary. It was
37:02
Speaker 1: just it was crazy. I'm okay, yes, I'm I'm just fine,
37:08
Speaker 1: thank you, but believe me, crypto crypto, but that's not crazy.
37:14
Speaker 1: I don't think I got in I relatively early twenty seventeen.
37:18
Speaker 1: You got an early early super well, Mamma went big
37:22
Speaker 1: you know, my guy calls me his you know bitcoin wife,
37:25
Speaker 1: you know, counting my bitcoin. No like a nine cow,
37:29
Speaker 1: it's a it's a My guy was an was an
37:32
Speaker 1: ex devout Mormon, so he brings up these these Mormons. Anyway, anyway,
37:37
Speaker 1: it's will I did. Okay, I did not do like like.
37:42
Speaker 1: I love Rosie O'Donnell too. Rosie's a great, great, great
37:45
Speaker 1: friend of mine and a great talk show host. Um. Yeah,
37:48
Speaker 1: I don't have like the money that these other people have.
37:50
Speaker 1: But I'm also I saw Jim Carrey did an interview yesterday.
37:53
Speaker 1: He's retiring. He's like and he said he has enough.
37:55
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. I don't come from a
37:58
Speaker 1: place of the work I do is not about the
37:59
Speaker 1: money I make. Now, it's really about putting out good work. Well,
38:03
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys for joining us. Thank you so much. Well,
38:05
Speaker 1: I do want to ask one more question that two
38:07
Speaker 1: more do talk show host reach out to you to
38:09
Speaker 1: get tips? Now? And if they did, I'll tell you.
38:11
Speaker 1: Rosie and Ellen both called me before they went and
38:14
Speaker 1: did their shows because they wanted to know what the
38:16
Speaker 1: schedule was like, how it worked. Um not late like no,
38:21
Speaker 1: not of late I've been off the air. I haven't
38:23
Speaker 1: done my show in so long. But but I feel
38:25
Speaker 1: like I do have some good pointers, and I would
38:28
Speaker 1: say the main thing is to be a good listener.
38:30
Speaker 1: That's you know, I think that's what I was best at,
38:34
Speaker 1: is reacting to what I was seeing. You know. I
38:35
Speaker 1: didn't wear an IFB, and that's something they fought me
38:38
Speaker 1: on every year. They just wanted, you know, the control
38:40
Speaker 1: room and the priests wanted to have access to me.
38:43
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to add anyone ever putting anything
38:45
Speaker 1: in my mouth, you know. So I would have Q
38:47
Speaker 1: cards if they needed me, but I refused to have
38:49
Speaker 1: an IFB. So I just I just love that, Yes,
38:51
Speaker 1: that show. Back then, I didn't really know who I was,
38:53
Speaker 1: but um, but I was in the moment and present
38:56
Speaker 1: and tried to be kind and tried to have some
38:59
Speaker 1: fun and do some good. All right, one, we're quite
39:01
Speaker 1: a taste for water. Yeah. How does Ricky Lake want
39:06
Speaker 1: to be remembered? My goodness? Um has a good time.
39:14
Speaker 1: I'm a good time I am when Yeah, I mean
39:22
Speaker 1: want you know, I want my legacy, Like it makes
39:26
Speaker 1: me happiest when people recognize me and know my work
39:28
Speaker 1: from the work I do with Abbey, the Business of
39:30
Speaker 1: Being Born. These documentaries I believe are changing the world,
39:33
Speaker 1: making the world a better place, and they're the most
39:35
Speaker 1: personal projects, and they take a lot of work, a
39:37
Speaker 1: lot of effort, and I'm really proud of you. You
39:38
Speaker 1: have shifted some culture. We have we have. Thank you,
39:43
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you so much. What can
39:45
Speaker 1: the documentaries be seeing. Yes, we're streaming. You can pre
39:49
Speaker 1: order now at the Business of birth Control dot com.
39:52
Speaker 1: We're self releasing it, so I don't have a big
39:54
Speaker 1: studio behind us. You just go to the Business of
39:56
Speaker 1: birth Control dot com and it's going to be streaming.
39:59
Speaker 1: Aprilife all right, and the Ricky Lake Raids by Ricky
40:01
Speaker 1: podcast starting October twenty twenty two, available everywhere you listen
40:05
Speaker 1: to podcast. Yeah, exactly. Alright, Well, thank you club, thank
40:08
Speaker 1: you Ricky Lake, thank you Abby, thank you. Got your pleasure.