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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP24 - When Music Becomes Ceremony [feat. NYTT LAND] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  week's episode, a very special one indeed.
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  I'm super excited to to finally be able to to nail down some
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  time with my guests this week and talk a bit about how music
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  becomes ceremony and performance becomes ritual and these various
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  things that we find in a lot of non traditional or alternative
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  faiths, you know, or beliefs or spiritualities.
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  Talking about none other than the Siberian shamanic Nordic
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  folk band Nitland. So I got Anatoly and Natasha
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  Without further ado, let's go ahead and bring on to the show
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  Anatoly and Natasha from Knitland.
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  Welcome to the show. Hi.
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  Hey, hey. Hey.
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  You're in sunny Siberia. Is it sunny right now?
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  Actually, it's, it's when we're talking, it's dark, so not too
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  sunny. But I was wondering with with
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  the location where you are, what are your summers like?
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  Like the weather wise, does it get very warm or 'cause that
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  when I think of Siberia and I think when most people think
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  Siberia, they think it's always snowing, always cold.
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  No. We live in the southern part of
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  Siberia, the southern Siberia near Kazakhstan, near Altai
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  Mountains. And our summer, it's very cold
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  today. It's I think plus 3032 something
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  like this. So it's our summer.
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  Yes, our summer is very cold. And today it's storm was one
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  hour ago the storm came and it's already OK.
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  But yes, and, and very hot, very hot outside and but our winters,
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  yes, it's very cold. It's it's the same -30 -, 35 - 4
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  Oh wow. So yes, it's very big difference
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  between summer weather and winter weather.
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  So but we love our winter, you know, it's one of the most
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  beautiful season because it's everywhere.
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  Just white snow, totally snowy and very beautiful, very fresh
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  air. So it's oh wow.
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  Good time. It sounds beautiful.
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  I'm, I am originally from New York State in the United States,
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  so I live now in Tennessee. So if you know the geography of
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  the country, where things are in respect to another, New York is
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  up north and Tennessee is in the South.
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  And so when I first moved to Tennessee almost 20 years ago, I
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  was kind of this, I, I guess I was relieved for a, a short
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  period of time because I grew up in New York and our winters were
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  very harsh. You know, we would start getting
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  snow in sometimes as as early as October.
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  Yeah, and. And then and then it would snow
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  into April sometimes. You know, so yes, it's the same
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  like here. Yeah, so I when I got when I
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  came to Tennessee, I saw like one month of the year for about
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  a week long that had snow and it was a very little amount.
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  So I'm like, hey, yeah, this is great.
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  I'm not going to be dealing with all this muck.
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  And then, you know, I don't know, like I, I miss it now
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  because I feel like, well, when it's October, November, like
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  when it's those months of the year for me, it's like, man, I
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  want to bundle up. I don't want to, I don't want it
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  to be so warm. And it is, it stays.
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  I, I joke around sometimes and I say, you know, if Tennessee is,
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  you know, you have, you have winter that starts in December
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  and then January and then February and then the rest is,
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  is summer. It's, it's good too 'cause it's
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  sometimes the long winter, because yes, we have winter from
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  November to the late of March to the April and it's OK when it's
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  starting, it's beautiful. It's you, you breath by the
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  fresh air. It's good and cool.
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  But you know, usually the late of January, the every February,
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  you will retired from the winter when the spring will come
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  finally close. Yes, 'cause it's, it's
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  beautiful. But we live in countryside, We
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  live not in the big city. We live far from the big city,
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  nearest, nearest big city from us.
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  It's 100 kilometers. Yes.
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  And we live in countryside and here it's snow, it's very big,
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  not like the big cities. They're not too much snow 'cause
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  they're everything. They're just removing snow from
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  the streets from but not in our place.
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  Yeah. It's a lot of snow, too much
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  snow sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I know that
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  especially like for here, like in the Tennessee is a it's the
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  the shape of the state's very long, right.
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  So you where where I am located is in the middle of the state.
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  But when you go a little bit north and east of where I live,
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  you've you, you start hitting the, the real rugged areas of
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  the Appalachian mountain ranges. Yeah.
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  And the beautiful and it's rugged and the because of the
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  high elevations, you'll get snow up there regularly.
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  Like they get snow further out there, but not so much down
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  here. We're kind of in a Middle
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  Tennessee is kind of a basin of the state, if you know what I
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  mean. So it kind of dips a little bit
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  low and you got a lot of water and rivers.
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  And. You know, it gets very muggy
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  humid, right? So like this right now today is,
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  is for me is a it's like a soup outside.
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  It's so thick with the humidity. You know what I mean?
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  Well, well, it's great to have you folks here.
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  I've been a fan of of knit land for I would say probably just a
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  few years. Believe it or not, I've been
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  heathen for almost a decade. But I didn't I didn't really get
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  into your music or discover you probably just within the last
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  four or five years, maybe tops. I think you the the the album
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  that I think I found was ritual. So I was going to ask you if you
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  wanted to talk a little bit about, you know, kind of your
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  sound. You know, a lot of a lot of
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  folks enjoy the, the style of the music, not just watching you
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  perform live, but the, but the, the sound that, that your music
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  has. They describe it a lot of times
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  as you know, shamanic and I noticed a lot of the themes of
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  the of, of knit lens music is, is surrounded by shamanism or
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  the, or the shamanic practices of Siberian and Nordic
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  traditions. So my question for that would
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  be, is, is what has inspired you to explore that in your musical
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  path? Why?
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  Why go into the shamanic traditions, chants and and that
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  sort of thing with your music? 'Cause it's a native so
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  tradition, it's a leaf tradition of our native land of Siberia.
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  It's right now the shamanism you can find only in Siberia like
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  the tradition cause other parts of the world shamanism, it's
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  like the fashion, you know that something new age.
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  But in Siberia we have the real shamanism.
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  It's a it's a big difference from the different Carlos
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  Castaneda and something like this.
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  It's not not the same. It's it's a big difference.
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  It's tradition. It's the people living in this.
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  People live in, they keep living in these beliefs in yes, it's
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  Natasha at all. They're the same, I think the
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  native tribes of Northern America and Africa, the native
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  tribes are of Africa. They also keep the shamanism
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  like the like the beliefs, like the lifestyle, like the world
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  view and the same in Siberia. The people, the native people
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  who live in here, the it's the same because it's a lot of the
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  native people living around. So the we live in West, East,
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  southern part of Siberia. We have a lot of the nomadic
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  people living here called shamanism, traditional
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  shamanism. It's a belief.
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  It's like the tradition, like belief.
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  It's tradition of nomadic tribes.
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  The first, the first nomadic cause the for nomad people, they
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  important to have the connection between the between they live in
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  day life and the gods and spirits.
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  And they need the, they can stay on one place to, to build the
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  charges or something like this or special places, 'cause they
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  are moving every day. They're moving, they, they
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  travelling and they have the people, special people for who
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  have the church site. You know, there's disconnection
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  between, between the tribe and the gods.
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  So these people, shamans, it's Siberian tradition, it's
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  Siberian shamans, it's shamans of the nomadic tribes of
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  Siberia. And it's our, it's, it's, it's
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  traditional for our land. Of course, if we we work with
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  the music, especially Natasha and Thai and me, sorry, were
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  historians also not only musicians.
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  The first were historians and we discovering, we studied the the
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  traditions of the native tribes of Siberia.
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  And this is most interesting. This is most special.
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  This is most, you know, magic, live magic.
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  It's not like the dancing around fire with the drums.
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  It's real magic. It's, I cannot explain it, but
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  when you touch it, real shamanism, traditional
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  shamanism, you feel the your life changing and you start to
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  meet the magic in different parts of your life.
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  You start to understand something little more than
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  before. So.
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  That's beautiful. I think that a lot of people
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  nowadays are realizing the importance of connecting to
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  their roots. Yes, it's important, especially
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  in this time right now 'cause it's a lot of the bad things, a
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  lot of the shit happened around, especially in the world.
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  And people understand that the politicians, they're they're
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  just giving shit to our heads right to making a lot of bad
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  things. And the people don't believe the
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  politics people believe to they own inside the people start to
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  try to find try to connect to the nature, to the roots, to the
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  some financial and it's important.
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  It's more important in this time, this hard time, so I
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  think. Yeah, it's, I think it gives
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  people comfort. I know it does for me, you know,
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  I mean, ever since, so I've been, you know, the a Germanic
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  heathen following the a heathen way of, of life for about 10
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  years or so. And but with, with the way it
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  started out for me versus the way it is now, there's been a
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  growth, there's been a change. It's, you might say evolution
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  and that has gravitated or has has fallen more towards animism,
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  animistic practices. So finding my place with spirit
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  that exists everywhere in the land, in the rocks and the trees
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  and the water. And yeah, like you said before,
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  you know, there's there's a lot of kind of new age or or neo
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  Pagan movements that, that that try to replicate that.
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  Or maybe it's again, maybe it's just a part of their their
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  journey to to connect in that way.
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  But I've seen I've seen some beautiful examples of, of what
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  you're describing Anatoly with how genuine, how beautiful the,
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  the, the traditional shamanism is in Siberia.
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  I have a some some associates of mine, some people that I know
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  from social media and abroad who are part of the Spirit of Wolf
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  Siberian shamanism organization. It's it's it started over there.
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  I don't know remember exactly where, but they, they, they hold
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  true to the, the traditions that the, the garb, you know, what
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  they wear, all the colors that the ribbons, the bells, you
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  know, and these are all things that mean something very
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  important. I don't know if you can talk
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  about the significance of, you know, why do they dress with
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  their face covered? Why do they have bells and
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  rattles and this and that? Can you or all the furs and the
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  feathers, right? Can you, do you, do you have any
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  insights as as to what the importance of those things are
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  and why they why they dress that way?
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  OK, I will translate Natasha goes Natasha.
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  Yeah, yeah. So yes, the every elements of
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  the costumes, it's have the very special English.
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  Destination the point go the every okay you cover your face
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  when the okay the shaman have the special costume to have the
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  special the shaman usually they use the costumes not every not
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  every retail not every ceremony you use the as the shaman, you
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  need to use this costume only. Yes, yes, it depends from the
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  spirits you connect. So if you connect only with the
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  nature spirit, you don't need to use this all the stuff you can
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  use it only for you, not for connection for with the spirit.
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  Usually use this stuff if you make very special rituals or
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  danger rituals or you connect with the spirits of the worlds
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  of the world of the dead people of the dead spirits the We don't
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  we don't call them bad spirits because we don't have bad
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  spirits. We have all spirits can help and
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  all spirits can damage, be danger.
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  Any spirit, the spirits of the trees, the lakes, reverse of
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  spirits of the underworld can be good or else, or they also can
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  be danger for the people. It's depend from the shaman and
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  it's the first depend from the shaman and the costume you use
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  only if you have the very special ritual, something with
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  the connections with the very special ritual, like the exotism
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  or if something if you try try to help the to health the the
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  the some man who already very, very bad feeling you make the
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  ritual the very big and special ritual.
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  Yes, you need to costume because it's protect you against the
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  bad. It's the costume.
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  It's like the warrior costume, like the chains, Like the
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  warriors use the chains and the helmets.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's like.
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  Armor maybe, if it protects. The costume like the armor or
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  spiritual armor? Yeah, yeah.
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  OK, gotcha. Yes, the on the Shannon crown,
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  it can be images or or of different animals who help
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  shaman to travel. It can be birds who help shaman
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  to fly to the skies. It can be different deers or
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  wolves who can shaman who these spirits when the shaman make the
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  riddles starting to go into the special condition and these
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  animals they helped to shaman to travel to run fast or to be the
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  like the wolf, to be the like the aggressive or fly like the
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  bird or to be the small and styles.
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  You know that just to cross the some some scare things something
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  in in in the in spiritual world. Yes, the idols idols on the
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  costumes, different images of the like the people of animal
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  seats protect the shaman against the the the aggressive spirits
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  can't take your spirit from you can't can't damage your spirit.
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  This like your army on you like the army who protect you against
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  the different danger danger things during your travel,
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  during your retail the bells. It's like the the the bad the
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  bad spirits. They afraid they're not bad in
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  the bad situation with the when the spirits can be aggressive.
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  When you meet some aggressive spirit you use the bells cause
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  the aggressive spirits they afraid the sound of steel.
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  They're afraid. Yes the the aggressive spirits
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  and This is why on the drum on the shaman drum on the backside
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  the shaman also have the the small bells, not only doing also
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  the bells who can remove when the shaman make the retail the
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  plane on the drums near the body of the man who feel inside the
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  bed and shaman play with the drums just to help to remove
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  spirits remove the spirits who making bed with this people with
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  this man I understand it's everything it's work everything
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  it's help They also yes so the different yes Natasha will take
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  your drum. I will show you this.
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  Oh wow, hey, we. Get a we get.
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  A we get. To see the drum.
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  Nice, yes? And this, I don't know how it's
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  called. How?
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  How this on English? Yeah, I don't know.
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  If it would be like a like tassels, I don't know if that's
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  the right word for it, but I. It's.
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  Every of these things, it's mean every retail.
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  Yeah. With this drum, is it leather?
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  Like, is that animals? No, no, no.
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  Ah, drum. Yes, it's a leather drum.
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  Of course, for real retail you can use all the laser drum
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  'cause this also this animal who laser on this drum, this animal,
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  it's like your horse, It's OK. You use the in Siberian
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  tradition, the shamanic shaman drum called the horse of the
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  shaman. And it's very important to know
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  to not just take the any skin and use for drum.
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  No, you use for drum only skin of the animal.
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  Who the animal you need help you and your weapon.
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  Yes, Yeah. During your riddles and on your
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  drum. It's only the the IT can be skin
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  of the horse. It can be skin of the bear,
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  deer, bear. It's any and this animal help
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  you do during the Riddle when you start to play on the drum,
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  Yeah. This one here is made of you
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  know what a bison is, or Buffalo, yes of.
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  Course. American bison, Yeah.
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  So that's what this one is. I don't know if the sound will
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  come through it. The microphone doesn't always
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  pick it up. But anyways, this is this was
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  made from a by a friend of mine that the the introduction of my
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  video there where you see Fialvetir workshop on the drums.
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  This guy made it. But he does all he works in deer
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  skins. He's done drums made from a
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  horse, bison, bear, even cattle, you know, And yeah, like I it,
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  every animal skin makes a different sound, too.
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  I don't know if you noticed that.
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  How, How the. Yeah.
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  Yes, of course. Yes.
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  This is the tone of the drum. This is the voice of the spirit
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  of this animal. Yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah.
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  So everything has a purpose is what I'm hearing.
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  You know, everything with the practices of the of the shamanic
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  ways is, is everything has a, there is nothing that exists
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  that is just a, it's useless, right.
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  Everything is has a purpose. Nothing.
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  Has a use. There is, there is a genuine
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  intention behind why things are the way they are.
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  And that's, that's, that's an important lesson, I think,
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  because, you know, I think what people can, can get into the,
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  the, the, the, the habit of or, or maybe lose sight of is, is
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  when they're, when they're seeing things like your
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  performances, you know, you're, you're dressed in, you might
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  call it a costume, but it's, it's, it's a ritual attire.
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  It's ritual clothes. You know your your face is
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  painted, or it's covered, or it has it's.
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  Just the you can use the color or you can use the colors like
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  the American Indians, like the Native Americans, use the colors
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  on the faces. It's also it's help the people
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  to spread out, to hide from the spirits.
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  Yeah, you change. Your image.
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  You have to alter your fear of your image and change it because
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  you're, you're entering into a, a, a, a ritual.
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  You know, it is, it's, it's a ritual and all of that, all of
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  that plays a factor. Like, I know this gets, I was
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  about to say like this gets talked about in like the heathen
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  communities, because some people become very traditional with
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  their practice and they go back to those ancient roots and they
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  really connect with that, you know, how people dressed in the
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  way they would appear in a ritual or something.
• 25:46
  And then other people, not so much.
• 25:47
  They don't they, they're, they're more modern and they
• 25:49
  don't really get into that. And they sometimes people will
• 25:53
  be like, wow, look at you playing dress up, you know,
• 25:55
  like, oh, you're, it's like Halloween or something, you
• 25:57
  know? And no, it's, you know, really
• 26:00
  getting into a ritual state of mind because there's altered
• 26:05
  states of consciousness, if you know what I mean, That you're,
• 26:07
  you're in, you're, you're, you're in a place outside of a
• 26:10
  place, you know, you're traveling to time outside of
• 26:14
  time. And changing one's appearance
• 26:17
  through ritual attire, through paint, through all of these
• 26:21
  things puts us in that state of mind.
• 26:24
  It puts you into that frame of mind to be able to travel, to be
• 26:27
  able to serve, to be able to do those things.
• 26:31
  So yeah, it's, it's great. I love, I love what you're doing
• 26:34
  and what you have been doing. And I noticed you said earlier
• 26:38
  on the show that you're, you're very into much of the history,
• 26:42
  your historians, I think you may have said learning about the
• 26:46
  history of things. So what what I've seen from
• 26:50
  videos of your performances, they, they, they feel like a
• 26:55
  ritual. They don't feel like it's a
• 26:57
  concert, even though you're playing on a stage and you're
• 26:59
  plugged in to monitors and you know, you have an audience in
• 27:03
  front of you, etcetera. Your performances feel like
• 27:07
  rituals. So when you I'm sure that that
• 27:11
  you're doing that on purpose, right, you're approaching this
• 27:15
  as a, a part of spiritual practice, not just a
• 27:19
  performance, right? Like that's intentional, yes.
• 27:23
  'Cause this is the reason why we use these costumes with the lot
• 27:28
  of protection things, 'cause when we are going to the stage,
• 27:32
  it's a lot of the, it's lot of very many people around all that
• 27:38
  energy. And very.
• 27:40
  Many the yes, the spirits around and we must to protect us
• 27:45
  against all of this 'cause when we start playing and singing,
• 27:50
  the spirits also start to moving and we need to protect against
• 27:58
  this, against the something dangerous things.
• 28:02
  Because sometimes it's sometimes when we playing on the stage,
• 28:09
  sometimes yes, we feel something special, very, very special.
• 28:14
  Like the meditation. It's every time.
• 28:16
  Usually when you just start and it's going to meditation.
• 28:20
  But sometimes it's something you start to see something,
• 28:26
  something I don't know, some, some visions I don't know.
• 28:32
  Yes. And very important to people for
• 28:39
  people to know who practicing, who want to practice, who want
• 28:45
  to try to go in deeper to shamanism, to shamanic practice.
• 28:52
  Don't use the any drugs or something like this or alcohol
• 28:56
  for this. So the, the, yeah, it's in
• 29:00
  Siberian traditions. No, it's not.
• 29:05
  It's not possible 'cause the spirit not respect the shaman
• 29:09
  who use the any cricket term any.
• 29:14
  Substances. Anything that changes your state
• 29:17
  of mind, yeah. For changing them, yes, for mind
• 29:20
  changing yes. The spirits don't respect these
• 29:23
  people and don't making good things.
• 29:26
  So it's but it's very dangerous. It's not it's not it's not for
• 29:30
  fun. It's not like joke.
• 29:32
  Oh, the spirit's not like the cinemas.
• 29:35
  The something serious about the supernatural about the guys who
• 29:42
  hunting for the spirit. So which is no, it's it's very
• 29:46
  dangerous. It's very you must be very
• 29:51
  attention in this when you try to to connect, when you try to
• 29:58
  make the real when I tried to go in the real way of the enemies
• 30:04
  more if it's it's not joke, it's not fun.
• 30:09
  It's yeah, it's very important to understand.
• 30:12
  It's like the yes, like the soldier on the on the war.
• 30:17
  Yeah, yeah, you. Got to have that discipline, you
• 30:19
  know that, that respect. It's funny yet not funny, like
• 30:23
  hilarious. But it's, it's interesting that
• 30:24
  you that you mentioned how in the Siberian shaman traditions
• 30:29
  that the uses, you know, using plant medicines that can alter
• 30:35
  your states of consciousness are, are are prohibited.
• 30:39
  I know some people I mentioned before that did it get into
• 30:42
  that, You know, the spirit of wolf shamanism, which is, is is
• 30:45
  founded in, in Siberian traditions, they are the same
• 30:48
  way. And they live here in the United
• 30:49
  States and they will not partake of anything like no, no, no
• 30:54
  cannabis, you know, marijuana, No, no, no psilocybin, no
• 30:58
  mushrooms. Now these are all things which
• 31:01
  is it's, it's an interesting thing to think about, right?
• 31:03
  Because these are all gifts of the earth.
• 31:06
  These are green gifts. These are gifts from, and they
• 31:08
  have spirit in them too. And it's interesting to, to see
• 31:13
  that, you know, 1 tradition does not incorporate their use into
• 31:19
  the practice. Whereas other communities like
• 31:23
  you may look, go down to South America and the, the, you know,
• 31:26
  the Toltec traditions of shamanism, you know, they are
• 31:29
  very much a part of the, you know, ayahuasca and, and, and
• 31:33
  in, even in Africa, you know, you have the ibogaine medicine
• 31:37
  and, and mushrooms, of course. I, I remember hearing of a, of
• 31:43
  a, maybe it might have been the Siberian shamans or it might
• 31:47
  have been the Sami. I don't remember that would the
• 31:50
  reindeer would eat the the mushrooms and the poison from
• 31:55
  the mushrooms would digested the reindeer.
• 31:57
  But then the reindeer would urinate, they would pee, and the
• 32:00
  shaman would drink the urine. You hear if you heard that, that
• 32:04
  legend or that story. And then it would it would
• 32:06
  change their their mind and they would all hear.
• 32:08
  So, I mean, it's very far from us.
• 32:10
  It's a, it's a noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:12
  It's. Finland, it's, it's very five,
• 32:16
  you know, 5000 kilometers from us.
• 32:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not, not your neighbors.
• 32:21
  I could remember which ones it were.
• 32:22
  If it was them, I thought I think it might have been them
• 32:25
  that that would do that they would drink the reindeers pee.
• 32:29
  For their. For the psychoactive effects,
• 32:32
  yeah. I heard about this.
• 32:34
  I heard the the some traditions especially like the it's using
• 32:42
  not for connecting with the spirits, it's using for the
• 32:48
  changing mind, for special practices, but not for connect
• 32:53
  with the spirits 'cause if this if you will meet this OK.
• 32:56
  I will try to explain like the in usual life, if you drunk, you
• 33:02
  go into the streets and you try to OK, if you drunk policeman
• 33:08
  and you go in to arrest the criminal, if you're very drunk
• 33:16
  you you will not arrest, they will kick you, they will shot
• 33:19
  you. And the same that shaman must be
• 33:22
  clear cause the shaman like the police guy who are going to the
• 33:27
  remove the criminal spirits from the body of the sick man you
• 33:33
  know? The same.
• 33:34
  It's like the, like the, I don't know, like the simple.
• 33:40
  No, Yeah, that makes. Sense you did a good job like I,
• 33:43
  I think everybody can understand like you have to be, you have to
• 33:46
  have your wits about you. You have to be clear in your
• 33:49
  mind and in your spirit. Yeah, yes.
• 33:51
  Just for control, everything just for control, it's it's in
• 33:55
  tradition. If you will read the books about
• 33:57
  the Siberian shamanism, about the traditional Siberian
• 34:01
  shamanic and the history about this.
• 34:07
  So you will find a lot of about this called shaman can't use it.
• 34:13
  Our Siberian shaman, I mean the nomadic shaman.
• 34:16
  No, no, the shaman of the salami, not the shamans of the
• 34:21
  the Southern America, Southern American guys.
• 34:25
  Yes, we know that we was in South America several times we
• 34:29
  played there and it's very cool very interesting to me to
• 34:36
  discover some moments of the culture, the native culture.
• 34:41
  It's very interesting, especially the music, the sounds
• 34:45
  of different, different sounds for they use for results and
• 34:52
  it's very interesting, but I don't know how it's working in
• 34:56
  the tradition with the different stimulation for the mind.
• 35:03
  Stimulation. So what, what do you know about
• 35:06
  how you know? So we're talking about
• 35:08
  connecting with spirit and being of a clear mind to be able to do
• 35:13
  that right, to have our wits about us.
• 35:16
  What are some of the what are some of the ways that the shaman
• 35:19
  achieves this? How how does this happen?
• 35:22
  Is it through the the the drumming?
• 35:24
  Is it through the muse? Like how is this achieved?
• 35:28
  You can say the spirits. If it's very when the first time
• 35:36
  the spirit's going to you, it's very scary.
• 35:41
  It's very it's small. Yeah.
• 35:44
  The shaman don't don't have the. Yes, Shaman don't have choice.
• 35:48
  So it's you can you cannot, you can't take the drama and OK, and
• 35:55
  the shaman. No, it's not working like like
• 35:58
  you can do it. You can practice in.
• 36:01
  Of course it's it will work in on the some moments or because
• 36:06
  in any case the spirits will hear something, the spirits will
• 36:11
  try to answer, but it's not the same like it's it's not the same
• 36:19
  like it's real shaman doing it because the real shaman, he can
• 36:23
  control the spirit. Yes, and the shaman shaman don't
• 36:29
  need the drum for for retos for for connect Yes, for connect the
• 36:35
  spirits Shaman don't need anything for connect for make
• 36:39
  them for make the retos so you can go into the forest.
• 36:43
  Don't use the special costumes, don't use the drums and you can
• 36:50
  make the retos, but you you just need to know how what spirits
• 36:57
  teach you. So OK, the first, the first not,
• 37:04
  not not you going to the spirits and ask them.
• 37:09
  Come and teach me. No, one day the spirits, if they
• 37:18
  choose you, they start to visit you.
• 37:25
  The spirits start to visit you in your dreams when you sleep.
• 37:29
  I see. The spirits.
• 37:30
  Start to visit you to in your usual life like the in the
• 37:36
  visions around you. It's not not not every not every
• 37:40
  time, not like the you when you're practicing Xiaomi, you
• 37:44
  sit in and see the lot of spirits around no, no, it's not
• 37:48
  working like like this like the Sortai no, it's the spirits
• 37:55
  start to visit you and the first visit it's very scary it's very
• 38:00
  scary it's very you don't understand what happened.
• 38:04
  You want to wake up, but you can't wake up.
• 38:06
  You want you will try to run away from them, but you can't
• 38:10
  run away. They start to cut they start to
• 38:16
  broke your bones. They start you they cut your
• 38:20
  body. You feel this, you feel
• 38:23
  everything of this. You feel all of this pain.
• 38:25
  You feel it's very escape. It's very, it's something like
• 38:30
  the like an attack. Almost like they're attacking
• 38:36
  you. Like the something demons inside
• 38:40
  you, you know, in the. Oh yeah, like a.
• 38:42
  Possession. Yes.
• 38:45
  So in the but in traditions here in Siberia, the people know
• 38:51
  this. If yes, it's it's named the
• 38:56
  shamanic illness. OK.
• 38:58
  OK. Yeah, I've heard that.
• 38:59
  Yeah, yes, yes. I think you heard and and and
• 39:04
  during these visits. The spirits not want to kill
• 39:08
  you. The spirits want to teach you
• 39:12
  and rebuilt. They not broke your bones and
• 39:15
  not cut your body just for fun. They rebuilt your body and your
• 39:22
  spirit for the shaman to to be the shaman.
• 39:28
  And if of course, if you don't want it, you can go into the
• 39:33
  church, talk to to the Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church
• 39:37
  and ask the exorcism and it's working.
• 39:40
  It's help. We know this.
• 39:43
  Yes, we know this situation. When the people don't want, they
• 39:47
  go into the church and they ask for exorcism.
• 39:52
  It's the exorcism, the Christians or Islamic search
• 39:57
  that is Marito. They help.
• 40:01
  It's it's helped if it's a good exorcist, it's helped to.
• 40:07
  Protect you again the spirits to to to remove them.
• 40:13
  Yeah, yeah. But.
• 40:14
  If you don't want to have the exorcism like this, you just
• 40:21
  need to start to ask and start to study.
• 40:28
  Try to understand what the spirit want from you.
• 40:31
  You need to read books. You can visit the old old people
• 40:35
  who know this situation. You can visit the old the best,
• 40:39
  of course, the best way it's going to find and find and meet
• 40:44
  the any old real shaman. Just to it.
• 40:50
  We have the shamans here, the old shamans and you, you just go
• 40:56
  into the old shaman and tell him about your situation and he, he
• 41:02
  will explain you. He he, he will help you in any
• 41:06
  case guide. He's going to guide you, yeah.
• 41:09
  Yeah, he will help you in some moments.
• 41:10
  He will explain and this is help, this help.
• 41:14
  And after this you will start to feel this and you start to
• 41:19
  study. You start to understand what the
• 41:23
  spirits will give you. The animal spirits will give you
• 41:27
  the your image there of your costume.
• 41:31
  The spirits will explain what they want.
• 41:35
  Spirits tell you different names, different spirits tell
• 41:38
  you different words. And they start, the spirits
• 41:42
  start to guide you, will start to teach you and help you.
• 41:47
  And this is a real, it's a way of the real shaman.
• 41:52
  And of course, we know the lot of the people who just can't go
• 41:57
  into the forest to make the retail to make the dances.
• 42:01
  It's also, as I told you before, it's also working.
• 42:05
  It's also help you in your usual life.
• 42:08
  You can ask, you can make the gifts to the spirits you make
• 42:11
  and make gifts to the fire. But of course, you need, you
• 42:16
  know, you need to know what gives spirits love.
• 42:21
  Yeah. So you need to know what spirits
• 42:23
  prefer you. Just also, you can ask the old,
• 42:27
  old people. You can ask the native people
• 42:31
  how they connect with the spirits.
• 42:32
  And yes, you can ask the spirits for the good, good health for
• 42:38
  you, for your family, for this. It's like like the bring gift
• 42:43
  and ask them, Yeah. That's, that's the other thing
• 42:47
  too. I noticed that the relationship
• 42:50
  that we have, it is, it is a, you know what reciprocity is the
• 42:55
  gift for a gift. So I give the gift and then the
• 42:58
  gift comes back to me from them. And then there's the cycle, you
• 43:01
  know, gifting cycle. So this, this is a, this is a
• 43:04
  way of life that connects us in a very healthy way.
• 43:08
  Nobody is taking something more than what they need or being
• 43:13
  like being robbed of something. There is this harmony, there's
• 43:17
  this shared. Yes, yes.
• 43:19
  Cycle yeah, also, yes, it's meditation like the it's also
• 43:24
  helpful clear the mind something like this.
• 43:28
  So it's but it's not shamanism. It's just to be respectful for
• 43:33
  your I don't know for your for nature around you, for the cause
• 43:39
  nature. It's sleep.
• 43:41
  It's just a way. It's just a good way that people
• 43:42
  should be, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's our, it's the way we
• 43:45
  lived as, as, as a human being, as a species.
• 43:49
  It's the, it's the, it's our most primal way of, of
• 43:52
  existence. We had to at one point in time,
• 43:55
  as people, as, as, as a species, we had to live in harmony with,
• 43:58
  with nature because we, we relied on it.
• 44:01
  We had to rely on nature to survive.
• 44:03
  If, if, you know, if we were not in a good relationship with
• 44:07
  this, with the land, with, with nature, it was bad for us, we
• 44:10
  wouldn't survive. Yes.
• 44:13
  And now can anybody you know, man and woman can can can both
• 44:19
  men and women be the shaman in in the Siberian tradition, not
• 44:23
  not matter. From the man of woman.
• 44:27
  So it's not matter. Yeah, and it can be in any ages
• 44:32
  after after 33, yes, usually the age of the shaman, birth of the
• 44:43
  shaman age. It's 33.
• 44:47
  It's like the age of Christ, you know?
• 44:49
  Oh, I. See, yeah, like the the yeah,
• 44:52
  when he yeah, I see that's Rose in.
• 44:54
  Siberian tradition. The numbers it's very also it's
• 44:59
  very symbolic. It's 3 yes, Natasha, she know
• 45:16
  the more about the shamanism. Natasha the 33 it's age of the
• 45:24
  shaman beginning to be the shaman before.
• 45:28
  So the three shaman studying from the spirit, guiding from
• 45:34
  the spirits from the other shamans.
• 45:37
  Yes, it can be from childhood and in so the three it's
• 45:42
  completely finally, completely shaman.
• 45:48
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:50
  So that's like when they when they come into being that, that,
• 45:54
  that that age is when it, when it comes into existence or comes
• 45:57
  into being a true shaman. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:01
  That's fascinating. This is all very, very
• 46:02
  interesting. I love learning about the these,
• 46:05
  these traditions and it's beautiful to see the the two of
• 46:09
  you preserving them through song and through music.
• 46:14
  I do want to get in touch or do I want to put up here for us to,
• 46:18
  to listen to or, or watch really this this short video that
• 46:21
  Patrick sent us. So Patrick Walsh, for those that
• 46:24
  are listening, you know, he's been on my show several times.
• 46:26
  He's also like Facebook community.
• 46:30
  That's the the Highland spiritual mental health group.
• 46:34
  He's got a NIT Land fan group page or fan group on Facebook as
• 46:38
  well. And he's a huge supporter of, of
• 46:42
  NIT Land. And I know you both are familiar
• 46:45
  with who I'm talking to. And he did send a small, a short
• 46:48
  video with a few questions. I'm going to play the video for
• 46:50
  everybody to see and, and hear and then I'll recap it because
• 46:55
  he, he does express a lot of his appreciation throughout the
• 47:00
  video. So he has three different
• 47:02
  questions, and I'll break it down for you after we watch the
• 47:05
  video. But yeah, here it is.
• 47:07
  We're going to go ahead and play it now.
• 47:09
  So thanks, Patrick, and thank you all for watching.
• 47:13
  Hello. Knit.
• 47:15
  Land and Nick Garv News Things Thank you so much for the
• 47:19
  opportunity for me to ask you, Nick Land, a few questions and
• 47:23
  say a few things about you both. So with that said, Knit Land
• 47:28
  first and foremost, is there a place you guys go to to feel
• 47:32
  inspired and to create your work?
• 47:36
  And then following off the bed, growing up as children or
• 47:42
  teenagers. What are some groups, some
• 47:46
  artists that inspired you? Or something you.
• 47:48
  Enjoy listening to I'm sure many of us are dying to know that and
• 47:53
  with that said, also so far in your tours, the development and
• 48:04
  grow the Midland. What are some of?
• 48:08
  The milestones, the accomplishments that you're so
• 48:11
  proud of because many of us are dying to know, including me.
• 48:16
  So with that said to Netland, you always hold a very special
• 48:21
  part of my path and my practice and I want to thank you guys
• 48:27
  very much for allowing us the opportunity to listen and
• 48:31
  experience your music because it's helped me personally
• 48:35
  through great times, very challenging times continuing.
• 48:40
  In the. Past and the present and in the
• 48:43
  future. Your work really leaves a mark
• 48:45
  just as well as my brother Jesse from Make Our Musings.
• 48:50
  I've discovered him a while back ago and from them, just like
• 48:54
  your work and a few other artists and bands, has been
• 48:57
  nothing short of a blessing to accompany us, to stand beside us
• 49:04
  but also allow us an opportunity of self discovery.
• 49:09
  That's something that not a lot of artists and bands can do
• 49:12
  nowadays. But to be in this community and
• 49:16
  to share our aspirations, our hopes, our setbacks and our
• 49:20
  plights and our celebrations, you're working at Land Again
• 49:25
  holds a very special place in my heart and my practice, just as
• 49:28
  well as Jesse from Nicharb Musings.
• 49:30
  So with that said, thank you both very much for this
• 49:33
  opportunity. I could be more happy, more
• 49:35
  blessed. So with that said, Save Rossi
• 49:38
  shine on and thank you both very, very much.
• 49:45
  He's such a great guy. He's so genuine, you know, he's
• 49:47
  so heartfelt. You know, everything he says, it
• 49:52
  comes from his heart. So I'll back up a bit because he
• 49:55
  did say a lot. So just to kind of summarize,
• 49:58
  one of his first questions was, is there a place, you know, a
• 50:02
  location somewhere that you go that you feel particularly
• 50:06
  inspired when it comes to like writing music, composing,
• 50:10
  putting your putting your songs and stuff to to life, bringing
• 50:13
  them to life? Is there a place that you'd go
• 50:15
  very specifically that you feel more inspired than in any other
• 50:17
  place? Yes, of.
• 50:19
  Course, it's the most interesting people.
• 50:27
  I will start from the far, but not very far.
• 50:32
  The, the many people ask us why we're staying living here in
• 50:37
  Siberia, why we're staying living.
• 50:39
  And here in the rational Siberian people ask us why we're
• 50:43
  staying living in our small place, not in the big cities,
• 50:46
  'cause you can go to live to the Moscow and Sense Patterns book
• 50:50
  or Novosibirs, just to have the more points for making music for
• 50:57
  anything. No, we cannot do it because we
• 51:00
  must stay here. It's this place where we're
• 51:04
  living it's a place of our inspiration, the place of our
• 51:08
  main inspiration. You I don't know, I think you
• 51:12
  can't image it's how it's beautiful.
• 51:14
  It's I'm today I'm driving to the Omsk 100 kilometers and
• 51:21
  driving back home three hours ago driving back home, I just
• 51:26
  opened the windows in car in the car and just it's so beautiful.
• 51:32
  It's unreal. It's like the I don't know it's
• 51:35
  like the on the cinemas like the Lord of the rings.
• 51:39
  Oh wow, that's. Very beautiful.
• 51:42
  Yeah, and it's most important. I can stop my car every, every,
• 51:49
  any place I want. Or I can drive from the main
• 51:54
  road to the small roads to country roads just to stay, stop
• 51:59
  in the forest, make the fire, make the camping and spend time
• 52:06
  there. So I don't need something
• 52:08
  special, something papers from the government for this.
• 52:11
  No, we don't need it. It's very beautiful land, it's
• 52:14
  very beautiful place. It's very beautiful people with
• 52:17
  open hearts. It's very special, the Siberia,
• 52:19
  it's very special place in the world.
• 52:21
  I for me, for Natasha, for our son, it's I think it's most of
• 52:28
  the it's like the perfect place for living, for making every
• 52:34
  single. So it's all went.
• 52:37
  Yes, of course, yeah. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
• 52:40
  I hope to, you know, I don't get to.
• 52:42
  I I hear what you're saying. And yes, there's beautiful
• 52:45
  places here and in our country too, but it's so crowded, you
• 52:49
  know, in a lot of places. So it sounds like you have a, a,
• 52:52
  a gift and that you're appreciating that gift and it
• 52:55
  comes through in, in your music for sure.
• 52:59
  So he also asked and thank you for answering that too.
• 53:03
  But he also asked if there were any specific like artists or,
• 53:08
  or, or other musicians or other sources of inspiration that
• 53:12
  while you were growing up in your youth, when you were young,
• 53:15
  you know, did any of those things that you liked back then,
• 53:19
  did it help inspire you to create what has become Knit
• 53:25
  Land? And if so, like what were those
• 53:27
  inspirations? Other bands, other musicians,
• 53:31
  other artists, What kind of helped you or did there?
• 53:35
  Did they help you? Yes, we are.
• 53:44
  Yes, we hear the music. We're hearing the music, but
• 53:48
  we're hearing the very, very different music from our music.
• 53:53
  We don't hear the folk or music, something near folk.
• 53:58
  We don't hear it because it's not help.
• 54:02
  It's can be it's it's it can be not help but wrong.
• 54:11
  I don't know how it's OK, we're hearing the different music and
• 54:21
  if we speak about the Nitland inspiration, it's from history,
• 54:29
  from our from our science work works in university, when we
• 54:36
  started in university when we make the different discovery and
• 54:41
  all studying this everything and also the very, very beautiful.
• 54:49
  It's a traditional music of the native people of Siberia.
• 54:55
  It's very beautiful. It's unreal.
• 54:58
  So you when you hear it, you just forget about anything
• 55:05
  around you. It's so beautiful.
• 55:08
  It sounds like the like the magic.
• 55:12
  I don't know, I can't explain it.
• 55:15
  Yes, it's native people the same.
• 55:17
  I love the hear the I have the recordings on on our computer,
• 55:23
  in our studio, The rituals of the Native Americans, so
• 55:31
  beautiful. So you can feel this energy.
• 55:34
  You can feel this not music, but modern, modern music, right?
• 55:41
  It's. For us it's most interesting,
• 55:44
  but their. Songs are, yeah, their songs
• 55:46
  are, are rooted in their past. And then it's it's rooted in
• 55:50
  their where they're from. You feel something.
• 55:52
  Inside you feel something special, not music, not rhythms
• 55:56
  or melodies. You feel it's energy, you feel
• 55:59
  the power, you feel the some financial.
• 56:02
  And it's very, very cool about the musicians we hear.
• 56:07
  Yeah, it's it's different for me.
• 56:08
  It's one of the favorite. If it's Freddie Mercury and
• 56:11
  Queen and Johnny Cash and Kurt Cabani, it's yeah, yeah.
• 56:17
  It's Natasha. Natasha very loved the German
• 56:22
  industrial and techno music, the German souls.
• 56:26
  But it's just for, you know, just for spend the time.
• 56:33
  You can play, you can put the play there and it's cool.
• 56:39
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:42
  We are not. Leaving every every morning wake
• 56:44
  up and OK, we need to do the retail, we need to go.
• 56:47
  No, we are, we are normal people, yeah.
• 56:50
  Right to the to some yeah, yeah, we get joy.
• 56:52
  I mean, we need. To yes, we need to serve the we
• 56:57
  need to make the connections with the we need to make the
• 57:00
  retails in usual life also, not only on the stage like it's and
• 57:07
  we we make the lot of we spend a lot of time with this, but also
• 57:14
  we are normal people who drink the Tennessee whiskey, who drink
• 57:17
  the yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:19
  Yes, I know the Tennessee. Yes, yeah, there you.
• 57:22
  Go. There you go.
• 57:22
  All right. Good.
• 57:24
  We look, we hear the music, we watching the different, you
• 57:31
  know, the animal series. Yeah, yeah, play the video
• 57:36
  games. Right.
• 57:38
  Right. I, I, I, I, it's funny.
• 57:40
  It's like if you were ever in my car and we're driving along and
• 57:43
  I have music playing, you're going to hear all kinds of
• 57:47
  things. Like you're going to hear stuff
• 57:49
  like, you know, knit land, you're going to hear stuff like
• 57:51
  Wardruna, You're going to hear stuff like, you know, Hylong
• 57:56
  and, and some of that. But then you're also going to
• 57:58
  hear, you know, some, some Native American type, you know,
• 58:02
  songs. You're also going to hear things
• 58:05
  that is like a Umnet Oskhan. I think he does like he does a
• 58:10
  Detroit singing, but to like techno beats, you know what I
• 58:13
  mean? Like club beats, you know?
• 58:14
  So you're not, you know. Yeah.
• 58:20
  Yeah, it's good stuff. It does.
• 58:21
  It makes you feel happy, you know what I mean?
• 58:23
  It brings you joy, it puts you in a good mood.
• 58:25
  And yeah, that's, but it's very different from from, of course,
• 58:29
  what what knit land is. But I love it.
• 58:31
  I love the diversity, you know, the the variety.
• 58:34
  Variety, as they say, you're right, is the spice of life.
• 58:37
  Got to have some of that, some of that variety in your life.
• 58:42
  And then, OK, great. So thank you for that.
• 58:43
  And then lastly, what Patrick was wanting to know, can you
• 58:47
  tell us what you have felt to be your greatest accomplishments, a
• 58:50
  milestone occurrence for Knit Land?
• 58:54
  You know what? What's the one thing that stands
• 58:56
  out that you've done with Knit Land over the years that really
• 59:00
  is, is the height of, of what you've done, what you've
• 59:03
  accomplished? In musical any.
• 59:12
  Could be anything, could be the music, could be the performance.
• 59:14
  Like, did you play somewhere very specifically that stands
• 59:17
  out above all the other places that you've played or performed,
• 59:21
  you know, anything really, like what what has stood out for you
• 59:24
  for for Midland's accomplishment?
• 59:27
  I think we did. We did not found it yet.
• 59:32
  I think because we are already on the way.
• 59:36
  We're already well, like the you know, there's some right don't
• 59:39
  have the goal. They have the patch.
• 59:43
  It's our it's our, you know, we don't have the goal and I don't
• 59:47
  know, we're just every day something happened.
• 59:50
  Every day we have the something new, new experience, something
• 59:55
  good or something bad or anything and.
• 1:00:00
  Yes, yes. The main milestone.
• 1:00:02
  It's our son, of course. Yes, yes.
• 1:00:04
  Yes, it's beautiful. Yeah, it's a main, main
• 1:00:08
  milestone. And the small milestone it's our
• 1:00:10
  cat and the most small milestone it's our rat.
• 1:00:14
  So it's so it's yes, I think this our family for us, the
• 1:00:21
  family on the first, not the music, not the family on the
• 1:00:26
  1st, of course. Beautiful.
• 1:00:30
  It's it's, you know, it's a pleasure to to have all.
• 1:00:38
  We are very we're very grateful to the to spirits, to gods, to
• 1:00:46
  all The Who gave us all of these souls.
• 1:00:50
  We're very we're very happy. Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  We're very happy, yeah. It shows, you know, the
• 1:00:57
  genuineness of what you do, the, the, the care that you put into
• 1:01:03
  preservation of the tradition. You know, it's not like, because
• 1:01:06
  I know you've probably seen, you know, there are some performers,
• 1:01:10
  there are some musicians and artists that dress up to look a
• 1:01:14
  certain way. And it's almost like a, a
• 1:01:16
  mockery. You know, they, they like
• 1:01:20
  they're making fun of it. And I don't, I don't know, like
• 1:01:23
  you can tell when people are doing it just for the attention,
• 1:01:27
  you know what I mean? Like they're performing and
• 1:01:29
  they're, and they're making music that is, it appeals to
• 1:01:32
  people. People like it.
• 1:01:34
  They're it'll sell tickets. It'll, you know, sell records or
• 1:01:37
  it would sell streams of the, of the songs, you know, and that's
• 1:01:41
  why they're doing it. They're doing it to tack into
• 1:01:43
  the the popular, yeah. We don't, we are not running.
• 1:01:49
  We are not run to be the we are not run for the fashion, not
• 1:01:53
  run, not running for the popular to be the popular.
• 1:01:58
  We're just do what we love. Just yesterday, just yesterday,
• 1:02:06
  I read the the chat of the people of the some people here.
• 1:02:15
  It's a close chat the the musicians who discuss about the
• 1:02:21
  how to make the the popular song and they they speak, oh, we need
• 1:02:28
  to do in this, doing this. And I'm just reading.
• 1:02:32
  I can't write anything there because the people don't
• 1:02:35
  understand their reason for making music just to yes, like
• 1:02:41
  you told that just for be the popular just for make the money
• 1:02:44
  or something to notes. It's not our way.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. We're just.
• 1:02:50
  Making when we feel OK Natasha she cannot yeah, she can share
• 1:02:56
  very genius composer and musician.
• 1:03:00
  And Natasha of course she can make everyday make new song
• 1:03:04
  everyday she but she don't do it for Natasha.
• 1:03:09
  It will be like the cell. It's in this way Natasha will
• 1:03:16
  solve your soul. Natasha can do it.
• 1:03:21
  Natasha in this way Natasha just it kills your soul.
• 1:03:25
  It's like the it's will be not true.
• 1:03:29
  It will be not good not. Authentic not, Genuine not not.
• 1:03:34
  Fair and the Natasha usually make the songs when she filled
• 1:03:39
  it. Sometimes it's we we me and our
• 1:03:44
  son. We already we don't touch her
• 1:03:47
  for this. OK, Natasha, tell OK guys, I
• 1:03:51
  need to work. We're OK.
• 1:03:53
  OK, so you go, you can go to studio.
• 1:03:56
  When we don't touch you, we we are doing everything.
• 1:03:59
  We are walking, we are going to the supermarkets.
• 1:04:02
  We're doing all stuff. But Natasha's sitting in the
• 1:04:05
  studio and realize her ideas. Yeah, let let mom let mom do her
• 1:04:11
  thing, Yeah. And in these moments, we don't
• 1:04:16
  need to touch Natasha because there's yes, there's something
• 1:04:19
  special. Go into your mind, to your
• 1:04:23
  spirit, to your soul. And every time it's I'm waiting
• 1:04:29
  what it will be I. I just recently, so I've, you
• 1:04:34
  know, again, I've been listening to, to, to NIT lands for just
• 1:04:37
  about the last probably 3-4 or five years, you know, so not
• 1:04:40
  very long. And I think your, your catalog
• 1:04:43
  of music goes back to like what 2013 is, is when it started for
• 1:04:47
  you right around 2013. Yes, yes.
• 1:04:51
  So I found you much later on, you know, so it was probably
• 1:04:54
  2021 or 2022 when I discovered NIT Land.
• 1:04:58
  And I just, I just got got it off your band camp.
• 1:05:03
  The the the songs of the Shaman, your most recent release.
• 1:05:09
  And I was telling Patrick about it, man, And I sent him the
• 1:05:11
  thing I said, man, let's just take some time and then listen
• 1:05:14
  to this. This isn't it's, it's more than
• 1:05:16
  just music. It, it's, it's an experience.
• 1:05:19
  No songs. Of the channel, it's not the
• 1:05:21
  music, it's not the songs, it's not like the we are doing in our
• 1:05:26
  usual recordings albums. It's it was the totally against
• 1:05:32
  of anything modern music industry.
• 1:05:38
  It was just like the we don't need to to yes, of course we can
• 1:05:46
  take all of the any of the songs and make the big arrangements,
• 1:05:50
  lot of the drums, lot of the voices, but we don't need to do
• 1:05:54
  it because it's a real ancient traditional ritual songs.
• 1:06:01
  Any of these songs on the songs of the shaman, any of these
• 1:06:06
  small it's not songs, it's the spells.
• 1:06:10
  Any of this spell have their own way in the have their own place
• 1:06:15
  and in retail it's any every of this spell it's for something
• 1:06:22
  for something to do for some part of the retail for it can be
• 1:06:27
  the retail only with one of this spell.
• 1:06:30
  It's ancient. We must to be there respectful
• 1:06:33
  for this. We must to be there very care
• 1:06:37
  for translated to the world and we just took the these spells
• 1:06:48
  and just record them them in like shamans perform it during
• 1:06:59
  the rituals without any changes, without yes, of course it it's
• 1:07:07
  studio work. Of course we use the
• 1:07:09
  microphones. We use the old stuff for music,
• 1:07:15
  but it's just it's not it's not music album.
• 1:07:21
  It's not music album. It's special.
• 1:07:24
  It's like our, I don't know, it's a discover, it's
• 1:07:33
  researching, it's. So like I was looking at the at
• 1:07:38
  the, the titles, I guess, right. So every, every track, every
• 1:07:42
  piece of of work on songs of the shaman have a name, of course.
• 1:07:47
  And I'm seeing like names of, you know, the the was it Hoga
• 1:07:52
  hoga Yaga, Hoga Yaga. Hoga yaga.
• 1:07:55
  For the for the ritual of the beginning of the path.
• 1:08:01
  So is this like a initiation ritual?
• 1:08:05
  Does it like I'm starting this journey?
• 1:08:08
  Can you, can you maybe tell us a little bit more about the you
• 1:08:11
  can? You can use this, you can use
• 1:08:14
  the spell not only for start the retail or something like this.
• 1:08:18
  And when the in Siberian tradition we have that any, any,
• 1:08:26
  any job, any work, any deal, anything you start to do, it's
• 1:08:32
  the patch. And therefore we have the like
• 1:08:38
  the in shamanism, we have the small Rito.
• 1:08:44
  They call the Rito to the white Rd. to the white way.
• 1:08:51
  It's interesting. And this song?
• 1:08:53
  For this just for open the remove the stones, remove the
• 1:08:59
  anything bad on this road on this patch song.
• 1:09:03
  These songs for this not for not for yes, of course, it can be
• 1:09:06
  used also for starting read or for starting anything.
• 1:09:10
  These songs for start anything. Beginning.
• 1:09:13
  The patch, it's the mean, the start something.
• 1:09:17
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you.
• 1:09:19
  Start to read the you start to write the book.
• 1:09:24
  It's the song can can ask the gods and spirits for help you on
• 1:09:32
  the on this patch of your patch of your own patch.
• 1:09:37
  So this. Makes sense.
• 1:09:40
  And it's like, you know, the the the journey starts with the
• 1:09:43
  first step. You can't experience the journey
• 1:09:46
  until you take that first step. So preparing yourself for this
• 1:09:50
  journey. Yeah, I had AI had an
• 1:09:53
  interesting, like I had an interesting conversation last
• 1:09:58
  year with one of the elders of our community here.
• 1:10:01
  They were, they were talking about spirit journeying, you
• 1:10:06
  know, or sometimes it's like referred to times nowadays as
• 1:10:10
  astral projection where you leave your body, your body is
• 1:10:14
  staying here, but then you leave it to travel the spirit realms
• 1:10:17
  and and this and that. But he was breaking it down to
• 1:10:22
  be like, listen, if you go on a journey anywhere, we'll use the
• 1:10:26
  example of maybe getting onto a ship and you're sailing over the
• 1:10:30
  ocean, right? To sail to go somewhere.
• 1:10:34
  Well, you have a lot of things that you need to do before you
• 1:10:37
  even set foot on that ship, before you even set sail.
• 1:10:42
  Like you have to prepare, you have to make sure that there's
• 1:10:44
  no holes in your ship. You have to supply the ship with
• 1:10:47
  food and with other things to make sure that you're going to
• 1:10:50
  survive the journey. You have to make sure there's
• 1:10:53
  no, you know, storms ahead or if there are, how are you going to
• 1:10:57
  withstand and, and survive the storm?
• 1:11:00
  So everything about, it's not just about, well, here I am now
• 1:11:04
  and there's where I want to go. It's not about the destination,
• 1:11:08
  it's about the journey. It's about the path that you're
• 1:11:10
  on. And it's about preparing
• 1:11:12
  yourself for that. And it sounds like this is a,
• 1:11:15
  you know, if there's a, there's comparison with what you're
• 1:11:18
  saying, you know, the, this the, the, the, the ritual music, the
• 1:11:21
  the ceremonial aspect or, or parts of things is, is more
• 1:11:26
  about the journey. It's not so much about the
• 1:11:28
  destination. So yeah, I see that very, I see
• 1:11:33
  the comparisons. They're very closely.
• 1:11:36
  I have a couple more questions. Are you OK on time or yes, we're
• 1:11:40
  OK? But it's very, very warm here,
• 1:11:43
  OK? Well, I will, yeah.
• 1:11:45
  A couple of questions. It's OK.
• 1:11:48
  So I'll, I'll make it quick then so I don't way.
• 1:11:50
  I'm not keeping you uncomfortable for too long.
• 1:11:53
  Again, I mentioned before, I, I'm a heathen, A Germanic
• 1:11:56
  heathen. It's very different from the
• 1:11:59
  Slavic or the Baltic or the, you know, the Siberian side of
• 1:12:02
  things. There's been sharing of, of
• 1:12:05
  things throughout history, right?
• 1:12:06
  Cultures share things and we see that in, in, in, throughout
• 1:12:10
  history. But it's modern people, modern
• 1:12:13
  heathens, especially the type of things that you're doing with
• 1:12:16
  knit land. It resonates, it speaks to
• 1:12:18
  people. So how do you feel or how do you
• 1:12:23
  believe that your work in knit land supports or contributes to
• 1:12:29
  modern spiritual movements, whether it's Heathenry or
• 1:12:32
  paganism in the in the modern day?
• 1:12:34
  How do you feel that what you're doing is is able to support or
• 1:12:39
  or get or contribute to modern practices?
• 1:12:45
  Did I say it? Really, I don't know 'cause we
• 1:12:49
  are here when we OK, we are when we are not in tour, we are not
• 1:12:55
  we're when we are not touring, we'll spend all of time in our
• 1:12:59
  home, home place. So I don't know how it's
• 1:13:03
  connect. I, I'm, I'm very happy that
• 1:13:06
  people love this. I'm very happy that it's
• 1:13:08
  resonate with the people all over the world.
• 1:13:11
  That's more and more people feel this and I'm very happy that
• 1:13:15
  people, they're very interested, very interested about the
• 1:13:20
  tradition, the shamanic tradition that the culture, this
• 1:13:25
  and and also their own roots. As I told you before, it's very
• 1:13:28
  important right now, the people very tired from the modern, from
• 1:13:33
  the modern stuff. The people want to know what
• 1:13:38
  will be before the people very trying to connect their roots,
• 1:13:43
  trying to find something in the past and it's very important.
• 1:13:48
  I think this is, I think our music, like our music, it's it's
• 1:13:55
  very help us in this, in this way, yeah.
• 1:14:00
  In the. To feel our roots, to feel
• 1:14:04
  there's this resignation with the past, to feel this, all of
• 1:14:08
  this stuff. You.
• 1:14:09
  You talk. Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  And I think. I think the people who love our
• 1:14:14
  music, they feel the same. I'm, I think this, I'm very
• 1:14:18
  happy, Yeah. Especially because it's Natasha.
• 1:14:22
  Compose everything. Yeah, your work is being heard
• 1:14:26
  and seen by more people than you probably realized because of of
• 1:14:30
  your lifestyle. And it's it's so it's great.
• 1:14:33
  You know, the humbleness coming from you.
• 1:14:35
  It's, you know, you're, you're not.
• 1:14:37
  You're not. You know.
• 1:14:40
  Boastful, you know, proud of it, you know, you're proud of it.
• 1:14:43
  I'm sure of the work, but it's, it's the humbleness of, of what
• 1:14:46
  you're saying is, is coming through very beautifully.
• 1:14:49
  What do you hope people take away from your music?
• 1:14:52
  You know, beyond just the, the imagery, right?
• 1:14:55
  The, oh, they look cool in their outfits and their costumes, the
• 1:14:58
  paint, the, the, the music's video production is, is, is
• 1:15:02
  outstanding. Beyond those surface things.
• 1:15:05
  What do you hope for people to take away from what you're doing
• 1:15:10
  with Nitland with your music? Our I think our main way it's
• 1:15:21
  tell this story, these stories to the people over the World
• 1:15:29
  Travel over the world and tell the people about about Siberia
• 1:15:36
  in our music. I think this cause because
• 1:15:41
  usually when Natasha start to sing for me, I start to see
• 1:15:46
  something, you know, just ice, ice fields.
• 1:15:51
  So, and for me, I think yes, for me this for me is this.
• 1:15:57
  For me, this is the main, I think main option of our way.
• 1:16:04
  I think travel over the world and they tell people the stories
• 1:16:13
  from our homeland and from the past because we are very
• 1:16:18
  respectful for the past as historians.
• 1:16:22
  Only in this way you can be the good historian, only if you're
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  very respectful and you love the past because the past, it's
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  guiding us to the future. It does, yeah.
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  The past does guide us towards that and it's bringing things
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  from the past into the into the present, you know, because we
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  are living in the present. So it's, it's all of these
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  things from from before us that helped shape us to where we are
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  now. So how do we carry that forth
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  and how do we bring it into our daily lives and then to our
• 1:16:54
  existence and share it with people because it's what is
• 1:16:58
  going to shape the our future, you know, and not just our
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  future because, you know, the things that we do now, we plant
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  trees now because we want our future to have the shade of the
• 1:17:11
  tree. We're not going to enjoy the
• 1:17:12
  shade of that tree when we plant the tree now, we'll be gone.
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  But our future, our generation, our children, they will enjoy
• 1:17:20
  the shade of the of the tree from the seeds that we plant
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  now. So there's this, there's this
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  love, there's this desire to make sure that they have those
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  trees to sit under, you know, that they have that shade to to
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  be cooled off in. And I see that in what you're
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  doing. You know, this is a it's
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  beautiful work. I have one more question and
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  then I'm going to turn it over to you guys to kind of plug
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  anything that you have coming up, you know, future projects,
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  shows, tours, anything like that.
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  But my last question for you is that if you could perform
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  anywhere in the world, Siberia, South America, anywhere, no
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  limits. You have, you know, no worries
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  for money, you've got no worries for production.
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  If you could play anywhere with no limits, what, what would you,
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  what would your ideal setting be for a knit land ritual
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  performance? You can come up with the most
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  perfect perfect scenario. Natasha's ideal performance
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  place for performance, it's it's Kamchatka near the volcano.
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  Yes, 'cause in yes, the eastern north part of Siberia we have
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  the region, the name Kamchatka, it's near from the Alaska.
• 1:18:53
  Yeah, yeah. It's and in Kamchatka they,
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  it's, it's very beautiful. It's nature like they in Iceland
• 1:19:00
  and they have lot of volcano, lot of volcano and all the big
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  and beautiful places. And it's not Asha's favorite.
• 1:19:11
  I think place for for me, maybe it's for me.
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  Yes, I think the Mexican pyramids.
• 1:19:23
  Yes, yes, it's, it's one of my it's one of my favorite place in
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  America. When we are going, every time we
• 1:19:32
  are, we have travel to Central South America.
• 1:19:36
  Every time I ask the promoter we need to visit the pyramids
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  because I feel in this place, I feel something special.
• 1:19:45
  I don't know, but for me it's one of the most special places
• 1:19:52
  in the world. Cool, very cool.
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  Thank you for that. I appreciate all your time and
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  opening up to us here today and and sharing with my audience
• 1:20:02
  because you know, like I said, I've only found out about knit
• 1:20:05
  land, you know, less than five years ago.
• 1:20:07
  So I'm sure that there are still people.
• 1:20:09
  That are discovering, you know, what you're doing and I'm hoping
• 1:20:14
  that this helps kind of spread the awareness of what knit land
• 1:20:18
  is and and what you're both doing to preserve ancient
• 1:20:21
  traditions, share them with the world.
• 1:20:25
  So that kind of wraps it up for me.
• 1:20:27
  But I do want to kind of as a way roll out the red carpet for
• 1:20:30
  knit land for for Natasha and for Anatoly.
• 1:20:33
  Do you have anything that's on the horizon, whether it's music
• 1:20:37
  projects, albums, tours, anything that's coming up that
• 1:20:42
  you would like to announce to the people to be aware of?
• 1:20:46
  We're working the new songs of course, and Natasha work right
• 1:20:54
  now with also your solo project. It's also it's with the folk
• 1:21:00
  mixed the something with the techno and yes, it's they.
• 1:21:05
  She already have the two albums and right now she work on the
• 1:21:09
  third album. Awesome.
• 1:21:13
  It's just for fun, just not for so it's and yes, for Midland.
• 1:21:20
  Yes, we're working on the new songs because we were was very
• 1:21:24
  inspired from the songs of the shaman.
• 1:21:28
  It was for us like the warm up. I don't know.
• 1:21:33
  I think it's like the warm up, very, very, very big warm up for
• 1:21:38
  the new, for something big and new for Newland.
• 1:21:43
  And right now we have some ideas and we are realizing it in our
• 1:21:47
  studio, in our minds, in our. So it's a lot of work ahead, but
• 1:21:56
  it's very interesting. We love this, we love this.
• 1:21:59
  So it's it's the huggy. Yuggy for you.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, it's that, yeah. I think yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Where can people find you? Social media anywhere, you know,
• 1:22:10
  I know you have Facebook and Instagram.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah, it's Instagram. Facebook it's usually it's most
• 1:22:16
  easy way just Instagram, Facebook, we are not working
• 1:22:20
  good with the social medias. It's we are not working like the
• 1:22:27
  of course, sometimes I mean there's some accounts of some
• 1:22:30
  musicians I see. Oh, so they're doing the big
• 1:22:34
  job. I'm no I I can post the photos
• 1:22:37
  and some texts. It's a lot.
• 1:22:40
  Of work just to manage social media, especially when you're
• 1:22:43
  independent and you're doing it all yourself.
• 1:22:46
  Trust me, I know because this show, I'm the host, I'm the
• 1:22:51
  producer, I'm the manager, I'm the social media person, I'm
• 1:22:54
  everything. You know you wear many hats, so
• 1:22:57
  yeah, the. The same we are musicians,
• 1:23:00
  Natasha composer and we are also sound engineers.
• 1:23:04
  We are also Natasha also director and for all our videos
• 1:23:10
  we also camera man and everything, everything.
• 1:23:15
  So it's a lot. Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  So props. Yeah, congratulations.
• 1:23:18
  You know, good job with everything you do.
• 1:23:20
  Thank you very good, very good. And where can people find your
• 1:23:24
  music if they want to support and buy your music?
• 1:23:28
  I know because listening and streaming, you know,
• 1:23:31
  financially, you know, you put a lot of work in in in time into
• 1:23:34
  this and it shows. So so how can people support you
• 1:23:38
  financially where they buy the your music?
• 1:23:40
  Where can they do that? So usually.
• 1:23:42
  This yes, the streaming calls is the streaming so the same on the
• 1:23:50
  label who release our music right now on the label on the
• 1:23:56
  Prophecy production, we released the songs of the shaman and we
• 1:24:01
  released not only not only music we released also the book about
• 1:24:07
  the Siberian Shamani. What we talked with you today
• 1:24:11
  about all of this stuff about shamanic coolness, about the
• 1:24:13
  spirits, about the all of these shamanic traditional stuff,
• 1:24:18
  announcer Siberian shamanic legends we made, we made the
• 1:24:24
  book, the printed book with the photos and pictures.
• 1:24:28
  And you can you can also order it on the prophecy production
• 1:24:33
  They have. I don't, I, I know they have the
• 1:24:36
  store in Europe and the United States, and you can order this
• 1:24:41
  and find a lot of information about this in this book and
• 1:24:47
  this. Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  It's like the Sound of the Shaman special something with
• 1:24:53
  bonus CD also. OK.
• 1:24:57
  Great, I'll plug that down there for people too, cuz when this
• 1:25:00
  airs, you know the people will listen to this and, and they'll,
• 1:25:03
  I'll, I'll provide some links to the Prophecy production site to
• 1:25:08
  be able to get that book. I think your music is also on
• 1:25:11
  band camp too, right? You have a band camp.
• 1:25:13
  Where people can. Can download the digital
• 1:25:17
  versions of the album or even maybe some with CDs and and
• 1:25:21
  maybe some vinyls. Sometimes I think is there
• 1:25:24
  great. So yeah, people that are
• 1:25:26
  listening to this or even if you're watching this on Patreon,
• 1:25:29
  you can head down to the description area for the links
• 1:25:32
  to that or the show notes if you're just listening.
• 1:25:35
  And definitely stay in, you know, stay up to speed with
• 1:25:39
  Knitland. If this is your first time being
• 1:25:41
  introduced to Knitland, if, if, if everything that you've heard
• 1:25:45
  today speaks to you and moves, you definitely stay, you know,
• 1:25:48
  up to speed with them, follow what they're doing.
• 1:25:50
  It's a, it's a wonderful journey to be a part of.
• 1:25:52
  And thank you both Natasha and Anatoly, for sharing your
• 1:25:56
  journey with the world and educating people and bringing us
• 1:25:59
  to a source that can connect us with our own roots.
• 1:26:02
  It's beautiful. Thank you.
• 1:26:04
  Thank you. Is there anything else that
• 1:26:08
  you'd like to say before we wrap this up?
• 1:26:14
  Any. Parting words, any inspiring
• 1:26:16
  words? Anything that you'd like to to
• 1:26:18
  to share with people just oh, usually.
• 1:26:20
  When they're the last, it's of course it's to be respect for,
• 1:26:27
  for the nature to be respect for the nature around you.
• 1:26:30
  It's most important, yeah, most important the the family and the
• 1:26:35
  nature around you. So family and.
• 1:26:37
  Nature around us. Yes, Good, good advice.
• 1:26:39
  Good advice. So this is great.
• 1:26:42
  Thank you again. Don't go anywhere.
• 1:26:43
  I'm gonna wrap this episode up and tell everybody that's
• 1:26:47
  watching and listening to this later to I'm gonna sign off now,
• 1:26:50
  but don't go anywhere. I'm gonna take two minutes of
• 1:26:52
  your time after we're done recording to talk with you
• 1:26:55
  separately. So everybody, this has been a
• 1:26:58
  wonderful interview. I had a wonderful time sharing
• 1:27:01
  time and space with with Anatoly Natasha from NIT Land.
• 1:27:03
  Please check out all of their stuff on their social medias,
• 1:27:06
  their sites, the the Prophecy production site.
• 1:27:09
  All of that information will be linked somewhere in this
• 1:27:11
  episode. So be sure to check it out and
• 1:27:13
  support them in any way that you can.
• 1:27:15
  And thank you Natasha and Anatoly for being my guest on
• 1:27:18
  the show today. It's been wonderful having you.
• 1:27:19
  Thank. You so everybody.
• 1:27:22
  Else that's here. Thank you for your support.
• 1:27:24
  Thank you for everything that you've done to help Midgard
• 1:27:27
  Musings and the Random Heathen Ramblings podcast get to where
• 1:27:30
  we are today. Your support is greatly
• 1:27:31
  appreciated. Until we talk to each other
• 1:27:34
  again, may the gods continue to notice you and may your
• 1:27:38
  ancestors smile upon you. We'll see you in the next one.