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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio train topic. The President was born in Argentina, Dr
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Rabiero Mirey was president hello. Everyone. There is no stabilization plan, no
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good, but the delay to change and here there is a problem of currency
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arrears. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty- four
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thousand. Good. It' s very little speck, there' s a
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lot of equator, but you' re not liberal. There were taxes,
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how was the potion. No, but if I add one plus three hundred
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sixty- five times and give me three sixty s I couldn' t last.
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If there' s no video and there' s no one who invited
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me to be a federo, you noodle Cotuk. They want to know how
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the economy is going to grow, it' s going to go up like
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a diver' s fart, but very farts. Well, because there'
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s no comprehensive plan, but you should set the path. This is not
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a liberal government because it did not release the drug. Not because there'
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s appreciation changes. I have a changing appreciation, but expensive freedom. How
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about my friends, very but very good afternoon. Here we are in plural
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construction, averaging the weeks if I freshen the coast. But it' s
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not that terrible. There' s the lack of ceres. It is in
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lu in one thousand two hundred and thirty, in Alta, that risopaís in
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Barca in one thousand three hundred and sixty- six. Today we are going
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to make a first part, especially purely economic, that we have already put
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forward in recent days, an interesting, respectful debate, an idea debate,
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I hope from a bar of ideas. I hope you both do the Corsian
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quizzes. That' s how we make it more dynamic. I got it
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online. On the one hand, Alejandro Peru, on the other hand,
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Agustín Monteverde, Alejandro good afternoon, how it goes, how well, how
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well you are doing, Good, Augustine, good afternoon, Agustín, Bueno,
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Agustín Monteverde, Alejandro pirule S and Gusto un Monteverde to see If we
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had to as a first point talk about a balance that would come together next
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June 10th, of the first six months of Javier Milay' s management,
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perhaps with more impetus in the economics, what balance would Alejandro Imero try to
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know. Please, I think you did a shabby management, all inefficient stomping,
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got a travel discharge or significant, possibly more than necessary, with a
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very high position, not something else you told me to be short. Well,
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perfect, Augustine with the same brevity, or almost to see we are
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very well. Pingponando go and come and give them Mira. I believe that
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there has been very significant progress and from a country that could have had calmly
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inflation above 100 percent in December, which could have led us to the abyss
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of hyperinflation completely because to close that month would have been with very high weekly
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illustrations. Well, the station has been put in cash and real wages start
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very little to recover and there are even different indications of economic activity that would
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have already hit bottom and that has made foot of and there are different sectors
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showing some recovery. So the balance for me is positive. The job,
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in fact, is huge. The one ahead. Formidable. Well, Alexander,
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we actually saved ourselves from hyperinflation. I don' t know about my
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law at seventeen thousand percent. I don' t know how much was a
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probable scenario that the Fernández left and more heal a hyper or exaggerate Mila and
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Alejandro, I think it exaggerates a lot. I have no doubt that he
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more brutally exaggerated the broadcast to try to win the elections. I think he
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left the accounts in important imbalance and somehow had to accuse things. Perhaps things
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could have been adjusted with a little more shouting and more justice, because there
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were many people who lost everything, almost everything, and there were many who
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became tissue. At the same time, you would say that there is Alexander
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and I already give him f Augustine, who is ruling. To conclude,
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the social sector, for the highest, does not take into account the means
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work. He didn' t do it for sure. Let' s say
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security, the game land of fire, remains in force, subsidies to the
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free market as well. Meanwhile, the count was about two hundred and seventy
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thousand people who lost their jobs. It' s not watery, Augustine,
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sorry and he said. He said he' d gone too far. It
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' s not a pavada to screw up, which is to hurt, Augustine,
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what does this answer. Well, it' s got different parts in
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what' s been commented on to see the exaggeration. No exaggeration is to
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have no real idea of the devices, of the explosives that had been assembled,
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but that are still mounted. They are still assembled because I repeat the
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work still formidable ahead. So, just to tell you something, we had
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liabilities of the Central Bank that generate endogenous monetary issuance, that is, the
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interest that runs on those liabilities is pure emission for fifty- six billion dollars,
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with interest of the order of eleven percent per month. So we'
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re talking about going down a road where they would go for the equivalent of
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more than the order of six billion dollars per month. If that is not
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inflationary, that something else can be hyperi inflationary forgiveness not only that. Mr
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Masa, in order to continue placing treasure titles that no one wanted to buy,
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gave the banks options of sale with which not only the paid liabilities had
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gone on to make overnight passes beat the fifty- six billion dollars every day,
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but the puk he gave on the holdings of public bonds also won every
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day. That continues to happen to this Government, which is still a sort
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of reduction that they have had. These, these contingencies, not these obligations,
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beat him every day more than fifty billion dollars. Yeah, so the
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flute wouldn' t be explosive and still today it' s explosive only pushing
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away the antinent part. But, well, there were other things that Alexander
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said yes. I am holding on to what he says, also leaving to
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consult one another and the other to see one another, Alejandro, two things
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that I wrote down my law to the micho that went over the thread and
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that screwing you does a lot of damage, many people and I think that,
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and before I put him to milleg in the dance or some self-
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declaration of my law, Alejandro himself had said how that can be adjusted with
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more criteria and that he adjusted too much to see what was adjusted. What
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he liked is the reduction when spending is reduced. What is being reduced is
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the pressure of taste on Argentines' pushes. Now, what seems to have
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been forgotten is that there was already a recession recognized by the DECK, by
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the masista even by INDECT in all last year, that is, the recession
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had already begun what is being experienced. That was not deepened by the prow
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government, or someone thinks that this had no consequences for economic activity. Now
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the recession deepens this government as part of the plan, because every fair plant
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is respectful and so on. No. No, no, no. No.
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The point is. The point is, when you find yourself cutting the
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amount of money, let' s say stop growing at the rate that grew.
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But in the meantime, prices have been fixed with an obro and util,
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that is, estimating exchange rate values far above those that were finally good
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at first, I suddenly contracted you that it is not sold clearly that it
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is not sold, because you are still with the pretensions of price and profit
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margins of an inflationary arkatine, until it is understood, until it is understood
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that this adjusts by low prices, as is happening widely in the economy.
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No decline in inflation. I' m talking about falling prices. Not only
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are food, food and drink, cleaning and personal hygiene very much checked,
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but price falls are also observed in things as dissimilar as building materials, with
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heavy falls in many cases and even automobiles. Today the cars walk any cosicionaria
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and they are worth ten percent or less to even with bases tales, can
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get to do How many ways everything can buy a How many people can buy
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a self envy when the worry is another, the adjustment passes, Then it
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is with the factory. No. No, it' s not, it
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' s not good news. Then no. No, that' s not
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no, no, no, no, no. No. I' m
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sorry about food, it' s not good. What if food has been
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god for itself, not half increases less really discredited jando when they are a
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government for when lejandro is ruled for the rich who answer. You know how
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many, that is, you know how many hundreds of thousands of cars are
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sold in Argentina every year. Despite all the issues are work. I'
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m already saying it' s not relevant in terms of the number of those
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at a recessive time. Or how much can be sold, I say.
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When Alexander says that he governs himself mostly for the rich, what did you
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answer to that, Augustine, what did I lose Augustine, Well, Alexander
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Berta ah ah, is yes, when you were for the rich, yes,
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yes, you are moving, Augustine, because there I lose you,
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uh, totally. No, I didn' t miss your signal. That
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' s why I' m here, we' re reformulating, because I
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don' t know what I have to answer when Alexander, when Alexander peyrunce
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who rules mostly for the rich, what you have to say good. Actually,
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it' s not that good that I gave myself some reason to think
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that the fundamentals are going to see. Alejandro n Alejandro, let' s
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explain why I' m talking about it. Alexander, I speak of land
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of fire and spoke of ego. He could have answered it. Yes,
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yes, I don' t need that anymore, but now what I'
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m going to do now, by easing the free market, the subsidies it
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still receives for the knowledge economy, is the freest. The Land of Fire
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regime has been given by regulations. Hey, and what do you do with
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the rule that turns it around? You' re aware, but he hasn
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' t flipped any huge miles. All this time let' s say you
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take, take, take the laws what you do to see later, Alexander
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could do something with Fire Land. There' s nothing you can do.
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How many legal when you' re looking for because you put, when you
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bonga because you don' t mouth. Well, let' s go with
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Alejandro Bote, with the Holy Good Mystery. A more even approach can be
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made. Water the government. The previous government, for example, had incorporated
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a lot of people into what is called the area with the friendly family economy
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region in the Ministry of Agriculture. But well incorporated a lot of a lot
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of people who were hired via new article, made a manganese and threw them
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out at ninety- five percent. No one found out if it was worth
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it or not. But people named for article nine need to. He should
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be paid for a vacation, he should be given the days that were lacking
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in et cetera, et cetera. It happened to be. The only answer
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people can get is a trial, of course, based on the law.
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So for these people I' m not talking about the six hundred guys that
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you had deserved to be, I' m telling those who told me to
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be done, just like everyone else, out of the law and the only
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possible answer in the law. Now another you are another example Dale The other
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example is the fall in the income of sixty percent retirees who do not have
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rights retirees as much as bond creators. Well, this is what I'
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ve seen, I understand, but why don' t you accumulate things that
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you. Don' t you, because if you don' t lose well,
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I remember it preparing you that ends, Alejandro and I go with Agustín
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Dale, ends up moving away and we close with that whole voice. Then
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because I write down, I notice it gives quiet, not tore loyal yes
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to another. The other thing that you have there is, indeed, there
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is a problem when there are established rights, but you should establish that it
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corresponds to do them with a little more of how to say it with more
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prudence or apply ourselves having the measure here in this government, of course,
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that everyone is guilty of something that no one knows what. It is or
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yes, some of stealing, others of being lazy, others of our planter,
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others of old retired flower. Let' s say it' s the
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retirees who use it. You excuse well to see, Augustine, then listen,
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you heard, They have no right as bondholders do. He tried against
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the retirees sixty percent to take away the first few months. Well net land
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of fire and some other case there was also free market. Alejandro ros I
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answered and answered it saw well, for that would go away. Well,
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you didn' t respond to acquired rights. But against you, Alejandro peyru
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with which retirees also have acquired rights and were passed over. I' m
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not talking about acquired rights. I' m talking about the law. I
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' m not giving you acquired rights. Good rights and the mobility law.
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Well, there' s a lot of things that you get acquired rights are
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just acquired privileges. And I' m talking about the retired case. Please,
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I' m saying good word. In fact John side, let'
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s talk about the jilados. Let' s talk about retired people. It
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' s not a ponles that puts it thank you, because the more playful
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times the rich junifica. It' s either privilege or rent. Wait,
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Alejandro, wait for Alejandro, and you don' t listen to yourself You
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reject most of the fair and you hit on retirees. You' re saying,
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Alejandro, peyru babustinas and well, I thought it was barb, but
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let me answer. Okay gives something else also from the new article. I
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know about regional economies. Well, I tell you how, how, you
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can' t kick people out. Of course it can be thrown out and
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people can appeal to justice, to resort to justice. If there' s
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something that was wrong, if you didn' t get paid on vacation or
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whatever, but excuse me. But there are full rights to lay off and
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no. If there is no solution to the world, there is no solution
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to the country. But these terape people My second Alejandro cerun to those who
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worked and those who did not work, those who deserved and those who did
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not deserve forgiveness produced something was productive or it was simply of banknotes to stop
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them generated wealth by means of something. You can' t talk about retirees,
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which is more clear the case, because because of the dismissal, we
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go to retirees and other retirees are the shivers. What do retirees want to
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perceive color papers or real wealth, Well, real wealth. Not that real
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one. There' s no money, there' s no money. But
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this, this is one thing that can wait for plas for yard B.
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It was not paid by retirees with the fifth of sixty percent in the first
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months of Minay' s rule, because that is the issue that the most
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they paid for is not a lie first to overcome the first gavi should have
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for some reason. What happens is that they are the majority, they have
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the largest portion in the budget, and that' s what makes it say
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that it has the importance it has, but in reality, in terms of
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percentage of removal by equation, because in reality, removing nothing was taken away
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from it. In any case, it was not adjusted according to what could
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have been adjusted for and things, like that. It' s not like
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that. The budget cut for retirees is one third of what was in public
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works, one third of what was in subsidies to companies, in archeportation,
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of what happened to provinces of discretionary spins, to provinces of participation. Because
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I don' t know how I' m talking about what are discretionary transfers
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of federal government from the provinces. Now, of course, this is a
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country in crisis. Obviously, if there was no one would be complaining.
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They haven' t left him broken, and that' s the point.
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Well, yeah, go ahead, when there' s a crisis situation,
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there should be an adjustment. I agree. I agree. But first,
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the adjustment has to be more or less as needed, not going red,
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as the pre- fissioner said. Secondly, it has to be equitable,
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not giving some and others no, not applying to some and others no.
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On the other hand, when here in my colleague and friends, says the
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evicted, the hired article nine have the right to be tried. It'
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s true. They really have rights to the trial. The question is you
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have an idea of how long justice takes. Years to make a mistake.
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Say years, five, years, ten, years and beard pro me we
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resolve to see if it is understood there is no money and some have to
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manage and that in a way, if we are to leave everything exactly the
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same as it was, nothing can be solved. No. No, no,
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no, I didn' t say leave everything like this. I say
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that it is necessary to make an adjustment, that the adjustment be reasonable and
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equitable. Now I too, for example, believe that the air force was
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in garrison, but at this moment, spending six hundred million dollars is the
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same as dropping the silver is suddenly, I say yours the tarme since ha.
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Play a discussion of what you' d prefer if such a thing to
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the other. The truth is, this wasn' t talking. I'
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m talking about what I prefer. I' m not talking about what my
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law prefers, what Milay prefers I already know what it is, because it
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' s what my law prefers, which is what I prefer the i He
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said it. He said all the time, because above all they are the
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slutty boys, which is one and one caste of rats in political power,
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that retirees are gliders. What record did he say? He said that CORINSET
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scientists are scoundrels, they don' t do anything. What else did he
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say? I already know how I know what Patricia says, that' s
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clear. What he says is good to see is still a problem. My
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problem is that there is one that there is first an exaggerated adjustment. There
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is an exaggerated and accursed adjustment that is also unfair. And there what I
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have is a value problem that spreads a little. For example, I don
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' t know, I' m not quite sure what my law does by
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spending money from the public sector to travel to six or seven places in the
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world. I don' t know what he' s doing. I don
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' t know why? Because he' s so unsparing in what he spends
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for himself and what he spends for everyone else. Even if it' s
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symbolic. Why. Because I, mine, have to travel to fight with
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the Prime Minister of Spain and have a meeting with Box Yo, what do
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I have to do with it? I have nothing to do with it.
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I got my retirement done. Possibly catch up with me. I' m
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not going to starve because, as he well said, if I was dying
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half hunger, I wouldn' t protest anymore. And that' s fine.
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It' s a sample of human values. Augustine to see with yours
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the expenses. Okay. Many of you are circulating to see good, but
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I have the truth that you are not. No. No. I can
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' t find any substance to answer. Anyway, I' m gonna put
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up for dad st trips There' s a question. We are going to
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pass the cosonas training that is not only of Alejandro Perú, that I do
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not invite him, for example, that this has been said so much by
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the liberals with yours, with yours already, the superpo expenses of state,
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of the corruptions that is criticized by Milay, that even the Embassy of Argentina
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in Madrid said it on a private trip. I' m saying that on
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this last trip, business meeting. But, for example, the one before
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Spain, Tayru says I went to fight and I don' t say it
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but to fight with the Prime Minister of Paneomas, already has reason. He
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was put away earlier by what you tried to do about drone and to meet
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a box convention also to talk about the President of any country in the world.
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For this guy' s sake. But, please, plus, you
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think that, by stopping that trip, you solved some of the numbers you
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created important topical tualities in front of the coffee, as of course not,
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it doesn' t change anything. It can be twenty more old ones carrying
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the sister of the grass of view, the point of view of austerity.
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This is his move, not much more austere with any of the other ones
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that has preceded, something that really by no line do not s boys,
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do not step on, because if it is not Alexander leaving, do not
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step on you, because tell us a mess you spoke recently we have Agutin.
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They know that a return is barbaric, but to see this government says
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Agustín and grandfather last Teore is much more austere than previous governments. To see
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complete, Agustín and Alejandro saw Dale, because we stepped on if what,
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but it has been shown well the first from the salaries, passing to the
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drivers, to the cars with which they have to travel. I remind you
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that my law was traveling on commercial flights, that it was stopped and that,
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in my view, unfortunately, I would sell the presidential planes today.
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Not that, yes, yes already, but, well, it' s
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true that keep carrying the envelopes That way, I think very short flight.
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No. No, I can' t. Anyone keep criticizing that they don
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' t. I don' t want to go to the economy anymore.
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More so closed doesn' t make the change. We let it close here
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and we' ll do a little bit more saving inflations, etcetera, etcetera.
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First of all, I do think there has to be a fleet,
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because it is very dangerous for the country. The President is putting the sister
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at risk and the rest of the passengers are a commercial flight. So,
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yes, it' s important. A president has to have a transport system.
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Then the fantasy of selling the planes. I don' t share it,
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because there are things, but I think it' s much more important
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to have them. Then the eph sixteen that at least guarantee your safety.
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So actually or for the president' s plan and he' s got much
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better planes, that is, our planes would knock him down in ten minutes.
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Then it' s no use. All right, they' re old
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- fashioned planes. He goes away sixteen as forgiveness, forgiveness of what good
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to sixteen gave Denmark because they were given of surprise I say when they are
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operational. I don' t think he' s afraid. Frankly, you
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know what faith usually means is a plane crash. He must be talking.
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For example, it seems to me that Augustine does not know that there are
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of that three also operatives. The seven were forty years old. I can
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have seventy eighty walking that silva for what it has to be to live for.
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It' s another story. Well to you the techno theme to the
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source of my house. There' s the guy who' s got an
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outsider who' s almost a hundred years old, he' s just a
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hundred years old. Well, so much more. In this way his discussion
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is touched to bring the air force' s channel staff. I' m
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not going back to another subject. Seeing German somehow is a decision of the
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Air Force General Staff in no way an economic policy decision. Not obviously that
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it will take it is not only economic political, it is integral, because
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it also makes defense, security, etcetera. What happens is that the evaluation
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of the material, as we were talking about whether the material was better at
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sixteen or the piepers better than those who know. What we are arguing about
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is jua in this program me method little bit Alejandro, the biggest asset of
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Peru of Miley today is to have dropped inflation or you will find him back
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on the topic of the hyper recession and to you you would admit that it
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is an achievement the low inflation. One who made my law wasn' t
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an economic plan, because it doesn' t. What he did is a
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financial adjustment plan that was necessary, exaggerated, unjust, but necessary. Sometimes
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the attraction did something to which it was partly carried by mass management. I
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have no doubt about that. In part, I eat you, what a
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thing. In part, the problem is everything the duck pays to try to
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pass it, because from there we are going to have controversy with Augustine and
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want to listen to you say that in part it adjusts you, because it
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carried for the management of mass, not for the inheritance, but that what
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this means in part of the management of more but in part not everything.
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You say how I said because of mass management, you said you like not
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toporta, partly led by mass management, did you adjust so you said ru
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of mass management? That' s what I meant as it was, there
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' s part that doesn' t adjust how just incorrectly, exaggeratedly, unjustly,
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fairly. Well, Augustine, let' s see, yes, no,
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no. No. I also loved it because it' s not an
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economic plan, which is an economic plan, it' s a financial adjustment
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plan. He said yes, exaggerated that it' s an economic plan.
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Let' s see, Alejandro, we' re going to go many years
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ago, at the time of the Feduccin, there was a man named Cartranza,
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who wrote an economic plan. There were many later, but I recommend
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you read that what Carranza' s economic plan, Catalancha' s Economic Development
30:56
Plan with Alfonsín, which was my defense, yes, my tes how my
31:03
defense was, yes, was a defense minister. Then, well, how
31:08
sustainable and how much do they have in drawing? We already talked about the
31:12
malice economic past, because it never applied. It' s about to start,
31:17
maybe, and it' s gone. Virtue, that is, in
31:21
addition to everything, to find an example of what we call an economic plan,
31:23
we have to go back and back to a plan of one who was
31:29
not a minister and who, besides everything, applied to us. But,
31:32
well, I' m actually turning the economy around. But, yeah,
31:34
I mean, it' s hard for me to talk about one, please
31:42
rediscover what an economic plan is. But, to see Alejandro, there was
31:48
one to see Alejandro the second like this, Javier Vice new, made eight
31:52
you know who he is. Yeah, well, I know him, yeah,
31:56
or Javier says yes, yeah. But well, economical, Alejandro,
32:01
getting a little closer to the cell phone computer, because sometimes you get lost.
32:05
It' s about to overshadow what you' re missing. Okay.
32:07
Come over there and give it a good reason to ask how sustainable the super
32:15
- habit twins are good to super- abil fiscal and financial for paying off
32:20
debts that they are today The government is able to see who wants to think
32:24
people and what they do. Well, it depends on how long you can
32:28
keep the retirement income falling. First question, second time, asks how long
32:36
the public work can be suspended, because I tried that if I did public
32:43
work when I was in the province that I never fiercely tried to make public
32:47
work private way and I can assure that it takes many years for that to
32:52
happen, besides being very difficult. But in the meantime, the public work
32:58
has to be done. How long can that happen, How long can the
33:05
fall of salary pass, How long can the street of consumption be maintained.
33:12
Well, let' s see, Augustine, they say the answer. They
33:16
depend. Depends on that, depends, depends, ok ready Agustin. Let
33:20
' s see the income. The income of retirees, for example, has
33:24
ceased to fall. They already had more increases than the last month of inflation.
33:30
It' s not like they won more than a year ago. I
33:35
know you don' t. I know they don' t win as they
33:38
earned in the year of nine hundred and fifty. I don' t know.
33:40
What I' m telling you, the one who stopped falling has started
33:46
to slowly recover and so he' s going to leave the country. It
33:49
' s not going to come out with a jump where you spend the next
33:55
day to win more than four years ago. No, it' s not
33:58
just going to be a statement for but he' s got the perv,
34:05
the rection, the middle window period, they lost it. The retirees won
34:06
' t get it back. I mean, I understand saying the form of
34:07
mobility what came out of Congress for those two or three months. There the
34:12
splice that is now called in part lost him from having been good, would
34:15
have been leaving. They don' t care so much about retirees. They
34:22
would have stopped the governments of Tur no, specifically the Christina fanalde of Kirner
34:29
to that of Fernández, from granting retirements to those who are not retired,
34:36
who were simply given a social plan the retirement for those who worked in black
34:45
and what I know beyond that I agree, it would have to be seen
34:46
put on the other side, not as retired another. If it makes me
34:50
stubborn, but I say to you it' s like almost a planner,
34:54
say, but it' s very simple. Not for everyone they have the
34:55
years of contribution, for everything, but not for everything because they didn'
34:59
t want to. But what' s it got to do with you?
35:05
You have to get out of it not to see. This isn' t
35:07
the galley where pigeons come out. The same dove you put in before is
35:10
definitely coming out. If you didn' t put the pigeon in, you
35:14
' re not gonna get any pigeons out. See Alejandro, those retirements were
35:20
badly granted, which I believe cannot be equated. To the one who contributed
35:23
his whole life to the common retiree. I wish I' d gone out.
35:25
On the other hand, the testator insists that when there was a need
35:30
to see social benefits, they should have been given as social benefits and presented
35:37
as retirement pensions. They then affect all those who contributed. It is already
35:46
and that from now on retirees are starting to buy, not lose money.
35:52
I assure you from my side that it is not true and that hopefully,
35:58
within two months you can see that the changes that have been proposed apply.
36:05
So no, it' s not true that I started anything. He hasn
36:07
' t started seeing. The improvement exceeded eight by eight percent? Eight or
36:12
eight percent? It was last month' s inflation. Therefore, they improved
36:17
the income regarding the mind to the to what it was he wrote me a
36:24
little bit, very little, better three, but they improved to see Alexander.
36:30
Wait a little while to see Alejandro? Yeah, like nobody else,
36:35
no one had a higher income, even eight percent. Who was sorry about
36:43
the adjustment he was given more the bonus clearly exceeded eight by eight percent.
36:52
No, but if we talk about it, we talk about the minimum.
36:55
That' s true. But that' s the minimum income, well,
37:00
on the other hand, they' re like seventy percent of the retirement mass.
37:05
There is no istoria for snoring, but with more reason than most,
37:08
if you worry more waits and goes for more reasons. I' m saying
37:14
that then I should have done a massive march, when when they let false
37:21
retirees in the window, because only in obvious, to harm, obviously the
37:28
more good o' s going to Campanile jog her for that never I heard
37:35
my Lanni Amacri protest about that never good, perfect, but I don'
37:40
t know what' s going on either. I' m not going to
37:44
Arcantina or the two of you camping and I didn' t hear one either,
37:51
but I' m going to say more. I didn' t see
37:54
society complain. That' s why. So, when you generate the conviction
38:04
that things are magical, that you can always pull endless doves out of a
38:08
clever good galley, these things end up happening at some point in reality.
38:15
He knocks on the door and knocks on the obvious door. Okay. Finally,
38:19
why society? I know directors of the Union of Argentina, I know
38:32
directors from Argentine society. I' m gonna say they' re stupid and
38:37
they didn' t know clearly, they knew. They didn' t want
38:39
to say anything. The radicals didn' t want to say anything. The
38:43
conservatives didn' t want to say anything by the hand. But I'
38:52
m sorry you' ve got people waiting, societies waiting, which is what
38:57
you' re doing in journalism. How many journalists you' ve seen dedicate
38:59
progress to. Yeah, how retired people are sneaking out the window. No.
39:06
No, I didn' t see a single reporter take care of that.
39:09
Neither did Tallinn, either. And it' s Macri' s.
39:14
But yes, yes, but bad because to say no. Yes, no,
39:20
no, not another day, yes, because if you want to put
39:23
your program right for your own land, about Magri, but no, then
39:29
we' re talking about other issues. Who said something Aguin, said something
39:35
Chinese tea? Who says to ask if they want anything I can' t
39:42
understand what Te Chin says But Te Chino, but why does it belong to
39:46
Chetino? It requires talking about the retirement issue, Alejandro, because but of
39:50
course, what has and is not, yes, no, no, that
39:53
corresponds to anyone else. As Agustín says, it could correspond to others who
39:59
are the ones who promoted and financed in this government, this government of Miley,
40:07
this government had the balls and, I think, financed to a political
40:15
alternative. Well, you could have said or apologized for beating. I think
40:19
that' s missing. I know, not that I have doubts. I
40:23
know that up to a month before the elections, there was no party weight
40:31
to the media that would have entered the government from funding to what the future
40:38
government would be, say, to the campaign. No businessman put a penny
40:45
until very thirty days earlier so many saw the ball coming. Ah yes,
40:52
little boyfriend I say neither you what. Neither. Neither did a mango.
41:04
They' ll have put them when in the last few days they could have
41:07
put. He used to put a handle on it. There wasn' t
41:10
a handle. Okay. We agree. Those who ended up putting up money
41:17
to do something that' s supposed to benefit them. The moment they had
41:21
to say there was something wrong, they didn' t say anything. But
41:25
here or say go say it was done wrong. The fact that you got
41:30
the retirement from the window on the last albums has to say. No one
41:35
said when he was already there the same thing. No one had finally said
41:38
it to the square to cry. Well, all right, and then what
41:45
are we talking about now? Well to see last Nutically, now you have
41:50
to put on good hand chando yes, yes, then lose the most active
42:00
violations. Last one, subject, last one, eating him both and not
42:07
peeling off, boy. Not at the end, theme after or exchange,
42:09
a minute for each and we leave and we do it, we do it
42:14
again in a few months, in a month, but now we say goodbye
42:16
to see Alejandro, Peru, there is delay change. I don' t
42:19
have to be late. Change depends on the sectors. There are sectors that
42:25
are more lagging behind than others. There is a certain currency pattern, which
42:29
is evident, which has a very profound contradiction, because as you do a
42:35
devaluation, a new devaluation will generate increase or plaxionary. That' s a
42:43
tragedy for the trust plan. But that' s why we' re not
42:45
going to get the government devolved at first We' re going to devalue exactly
42:51
why it' s going to happen or it' s not going to happen.
42:52
I don' t know what they' re gonna do, because evaluations
42:54
aren' t a wonderful idea that' s gonna give you or market.
43:00
An evaluation is one thing that happens. It' s not something the government
43:05
is planite, well, smart, agustín and we' ll see good.
43:10
It seems that it is not good or high exchange rate nor the type changed
43:15
low, nor because it is bad not to devalue. It is also bad
43:22
to devalue concretely in any process of recovery of real income, even if they
43:37
find it difficult to see it that way increases them. The dollar is progressively
43:45
lagging behind. But for that reason there was an important devaluation, important in
43:52
December from there, which has to be productivity improvements. Now it happens that,
44:00
for there to be the productivity improvements that are needed, this government already
44:07
has six months in power, but Congress does not give it one of the
44:14
structural reforms with which this President won the elections. Then it' s very
44:22
difficult. Congress was also voted on. Let' s not remember, not
44:28
just my ex- booths, nobody doubts it. But then Congress, which
44:31
was voted in its vast majority before the last elections, prevents those who voted
44:42
in the last election from a structural reforms that were clearly offered for two is
44:51
not won him that' s true promising productive revolution or things like that yes,
45:02
follow me no. That' s not true. He said clearly,
45:07
friends, clearly we can discuss it from caste pay, but well, we
45:12
leave it for a next debate. I don' t have time. I
45:14
' m going to lie down, and I' m going to lie down.
45:15
Torch and volvens to Topper online. Thank you thousands, Agustín Monteverde,
45:19
Alejandro Peyrú, Alejandro Perúgo, this is a green mountain and we will do
45:22
it again. Thank you both very much. Very well ta, Luis or
45:23
thank you for this healthy and respectful debate here economic high pitch that we reissued
45:29
to the most beveled listeners, something that we did not know how many years
45:31
ago. They are two friends of Casa Perú, a monteore mountaineer in Peru.
45:35
After a long time we reissue the economist' s debate as a quite
45:40
different donal age, we like Jarral wolfes are good. He' s talking
45:43
about years. If someone who accompanies us always gives us a hand the voice
45:45
of friend Gustavo lining the wolfe are two Gustavos, my friend how it goes.
45:49
All right. Thank you, very good afternoon, thank you, you
45:52
listen. It' s a good thing that' s listening to you.
45:53
Okay. Listen to me Sunday elections in Mexico. In the end we already
45:57
talked about the violence with a sung result and with the first woman, which
46:00
was a phenomenon that we also talked about long ago for the first time there
46:06
also something, some run run, something last minute, something that we can
46:09
know from here a little bitnesque or good to see within the novelty, we
46:16
can tell this today. The President, in his famous morning broke the,
46:21
but not the way you told me, said no. The essence was not
46:28
changed, political issues could not be discussed. Then he started giving history lessons.
46:34
As I tell you in the mornings, he played the battle of Tucumán,
46:39
etcetera, etcetera. And some topics that, evidently, the other day
46:43
I saw him the friend Silvestre or patriot our journalist in the good hand wanting
46:53
to chicañar that the President spoke badly of the President of my Don' t
47:00
know him, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, Let' s say he can have
47:06
everything one wants, but it is more bullfighter than the Cordobés and cuff together.
47:10
No. So, well, that' s the story. Today he
47:16
also broke the candle a little talking about favoritisms of what they had done.
47:22
The transformation part. Evidently, it must begin in a moment, the march
47:28
towards the base of Mexico City, where the official candidate will close your presidential
47:32
campaign with a very strong show of a group, fashionable that was in Argentina
47:38
a short time ago and discovered the market that are the blue angels. So
47:46
well it' s going to be all glamoul and the whole great party of
47:51
democracy, the closing of the announcer. There' s a lot of mobilization
47:55
here in bell coughs and more. I also throw you traffic and security more.
47:58
But usually a lot of mobility goes well in the campaign. Let'
48:00
s say people. Yes, in general, I would tell you that practically
48:06
all structures, I could say, political structures, people, toe- toe,
48:12
etcetera. It also mobilizes for the closure of the campaign, whether in
48:16
a quarter, in a government or at the national level is still the old
48:24
or better said, the old or the permanent dilemma of new technologies in the
48:30
face of the old traditions of electoral campaigns. Still the show, the shirt,
48:37
the choripan. I don' t know, the soda' s still
48:43
in effect, and we can change. We are talking in some municipalities at
48:46
500 pesos per vote. Five hundred pesos could be equivalent to about thirty dollars
48:53
per vote. There are others who go almost fifty dollars per vote and I
49:00
would say, unfortunately, and especially here, in Quintana Rock has been prostituted,
49:07
because it is a strong word, but it is true politics or the
49:09
electoral process in such a way that it is silver, you cannot. You
49:14
' re not talking municipalities. Let' s just say your lumplacia the carmen
49:20
where you' re practically handling an average thanks to the$ 10 million carmen.
49:24
Kidnapping in the election campaign if you want to be current, very good.
49:30
It boots government headquarters, for example, in Mexico City, Chiapa,
49:32
Jalisco, etcetera, etcetera. And we also vote for the National Congress,
49:37
which has to be bicameral. So remember you. I don' t remember
49:40
this if it' s vica. It' s a victaberal system. Senators
49:43
are elected, deputies are elected, interests are all elected this Sunday or there
49:47
is already a leftover, as in Argentina there are layers that remain, which
49:51
is a half congresses, a land of income. He picks you all bondecero.
49:52
This time you don' t pick half. Half well half and what
49:58
governance will be like in that sense for the Morena power station, that is,
50:01
the new President, we take them for granted from the very good of
50:05
this one, we have to see that the many fit in. Obviously,
50:08
it' s about what majority wins, which district wins. For example,
50:14
there is talk and good that there are four governorates of the eight that may
50:21
be in. Let' s just say they can' t be endorsed by
50:24
the government. You don' t have to see how he acts between them
50:28
in Mexico City, which would be a blow to the system, not necessarily
50:36
for the future president, because she wanted a candidate and, evidently, those
50:42
whims of President of López Obrador put a, without so much, drag and
50:46
it is possible that Mexico City will be lost, so I would tell you
50:52
that it would be the first point in favor of Claudia to say you wanted
50:59
to totally we had insured you did. That might also happen in Veracruz.
51:02
I mean, I' m not telling you to start the problem, but
51:08
yeah, maybe you can feel there might be some billing passes. That'
51:16
s what we need to see. Maybe next Wednesday we can define on an
51:24
X- ray by looking at the total letter based perhaps earlier on my Wednesday,
51:31
based on the results on Sundays. He can make you a recording and
51:35
he can make it up to you then, because I think it' s
51:43
a very interesting process to watch They think they' re going to raze in
51:45
the country. You have to see how the citizenry acts and how far it
51:52
gives the checkbook open to the system or the president' s party, because
52:00
you' re going to be what intuition it has on this end definitions,
52:04
but in Christian without definitions. I don' t think on a general level.
52:07
I do not focus the Presence on the general level that numbers are not
52:12
going to be as optimistic as what they calculate. First because after almost eighteen
52:17
years, it is the first time that López Obrador is not going to be
52:22
on any ballot. No, let' s not forget he was a candidate
52:28
three times. Not this and his name, his action, his movement,
52:34
his opinions, his presence, was circulating throughout the country for eighteen years.
52:39
It' s the first time he' s not gonna be on any ballot.
52:45
And you have to see if people really realize that or keep thinking that
52:49
he' s going to be and he' s going to keep voting for
52:54
which we don' t go back to that sentence. Perón, I think
52:58
we know talking about stuff that said it looked like Gardelks dressed like Gardel combed
53:05
like Gardel. It wasn' t Garbel' s smile, but it wasn
53:08
' t Garbel. Well here, I think it' s the same thing.
53:12
No Glaudia can assume all that, but it' s not. And
53:15
if you give him empathy, feeling, approach, etcetera. And much more,
53:22
and much more when branding as a campaign slogan, professional subtitle we have
53:30
commented, is a cold quantity in that sense. She is a more charismatic
53:35
candidate that we come from the charisma of Amblo. No, nothing is anti
53:38
- carist, anti- garist, it' s an anti- charism fangarism,
53:46
including its treatment in its way of speaking. I didn' t make
53:50
a smile. It is not an empathic fraternal dialogue, it does not come
53:53
out with which, with which dissonance, with what there is now is going
53:57
to be very strong, more of ay flow of the influence of the leader
54:00
himself. Also the theme of style change. I' m not just saying
54:04
the absence to give us, but look. I think you' re going
54:07
to see if that personal situation or that personality is why he' s been
54:13
accompanied by the university tutor. How they put his distance. I mean,
54:16
she' s not a distant broad, she' s a scientist, because
54:22
that' s what we' re saying in the commentary and the box populi
54:27
and the lines of communication. She' s a scientist. For the first
54:29
time, Mexico is going to have one. It' s not like I
54:31
tell you. Well, I don' t know six or six berna beo
54:37
were presidents and they don' t have and, as scientists, let them
54:40
belong. No, but it' s not your crush. I also say
54:44
that I ask without knowing it has a profile of a Nobel Prize and multimo.
54:47
Well, but it' s an eminence, but it has something of
54:52
a really important basis to tell you it' s almost a stien I remember
54:55
that when you say Alberto has in fact that it was a government of scientists,
55:00
Alberto Fernández, no, but it has a profile a little beyond something
55:02
university by shops, right, no. No, he does, you tell
55:06
me if he has a diploma, yes, he does, but good minimum
55:08
for that. But I mean, but it' s not that big a
55:10
deal, no, no, no, no, it' s not you,
55:14
but no, but no, but no. No. Of course it
55:15
' s like you say a condiest investigator for ours doesn' t have them.
55:21
But maybe that' s why I' m talking about political marketing.
55:25
By putting that barrier, perhaps they justify, say, the low quality,
55:31
that is, they have the deal. It' s not a bit.
55:37
Some friends comment that at the time I knew it was part of Ernesto Guevara
55:42
' s own personality, which in the background was quite violent and arrogant.
55:49
So, when he put it in the distance, it wasn' t just
55:54
or it was to mark that I' m not the commander, or I
56:00
' m and I' m the leader and with which I say I cool
56:06
someone come hugging me or come kissing me, etcetera, etcetera. We'
56:09
re not talking about votes. I remember that last talk that we had the
56:13
previous optional vote, that is, non- mandatory. Vote less than fifty
56:15
percent of the list. There' s weather. You said an interesting definition.
56:19
Not for the first time I or I don' t stable any lists,
56:22
etcetera. I say there' s a climate of lessons or everyone Claudia
56:25
sa won is all quiet. No. No. No, no. There
56:28
' s no weather, no, there' s c general. No.
56:30
It' s not a thing. No, there' s expectation, as
56:35
they promise a follow- up and the second famous floor is the second stage
56:40
of transformation. There is no climate and no short time, but the Doña,
56:44
the Doña Rosa assumes that Clavo wins, that he knows, that you
56:46
will vote depends on the Doña Rosa. Rosa has received all kinds of pre
56:52
- sales, this contribution social plans. To say, I think what interests
56:59
you is that you keep going. No, but I don' t say
57:02
the Dania Rosa. Tie I mean taste, I say the citizen on foot
57:06
already knows Claudia wins. Or of this you' re voice in the red
57:08
circle, in what we' re having, this is political, I think
57:15
there' s one say optimism and resignation at the same time, that is,
57:23
you can tell opponents or those who are with the other candidate. It
57:25
' s come close, but it' s never come out. We'
57:30
re up or good. The opposition candidate didn' t miss, let'
57:37
s say look, I think girls. I think she' s very good.
57:40
I think that what he missed has failed him is the system itself that
57:45
catapulted it an alliance of two of the old political parties that located it,
57:52
but curiously pani pri indeed, but catapulted it. But not the pipes or
58:00
the scaly words, that is, the traditional and archaic leadership of those parties.
58:07
They have already secured a position in the next Sexenio, either as urinominal
58:14
deputies, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, guys aren' t gonna be
58:20
campaigns. Then we already made the party leaderships. We are already supporting it,
58:25
but neither, that is, at any time you felt that kind of
58:31
hunger campaign to conquer power, that is, Malena failed and Sergio Tomás failed
58:43
to tempt the militants. Well, let' s hope that within everyone it
58:51
' s peace, because Sundays there are also complicated. Sometimes it' s
58:52
not always. Also sometimes this is all right. We succeeded in the places
58:59
where I have been parties as a consultant, I have already witnessed some acts
59:07
of virulence, not or barfect intimidation. So that' s what can happen,
59:15
especially certain appetizing destinies for the box. It is no longer the same
59:22
to win the capital of the city of Buenos Aires, as at the time
59:27
I had said the time of meneen with that town in Salta that Rico was
59:31
a perico, perico came out Avilina from killing the election. We don'
59:37
t. Well, well, he' s like old people. We'
59:43
re old, no, we' re not old. We' re remembering
59:46
perico, we' re remembering. Gustavo, Gustavo, we' re fine,
59:50
let' s reveal ourselves, ask them exactly. Well, there,
59:55
well, new cabinet changes. It' ll touch us, too, and
1:00:01
I' m not doing well anymore. He told her the pure question so
1:00:06
that you guys would make her look good to see what she' s going
1:00:08
to ask me. I mean, being a good businessman means being a good
1:00:13
ruler. We' re a civil servant. Well, actually, we already
1:00:16
saw it with macrit but good. She doesn' t answer it, not
1:00:21
necessarily, but well we can ask her for next week. It' s
1:00:24
good. I' ll send you a hug, hug Thank you very much.
1:00:30
Thank you, clached by Bolson here in plural construction. We' re
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leaving quickly tomorrow, four o' clock we' ll see each other again.
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Thank you, thank you, Juan, thank you.