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#233 - For Azeroth!: “Liv, Manny, and Manny’s Ego” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Tehran for the Kirin Tor and REO for calendar, organists our
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cars, not die for the sin Dora, for the alliance for Arthur, are
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welcome back to another episode of for as Gareth.
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I am Olivia one of your hosts Olivia and with me as always,
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the truest fill in himself, Manny Manny And then it's been a
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couple of days. How has the world of work?
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I've been treating you, it's been pretty good, but also now
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feeling a little more rushed as, you know, we spoke last time, we
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have a limited amount of time before dragonflight comes.
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And usually, I spend a bit of time in the downtime between
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patches between expansions doing some serious Mount hunting and I
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have It really had the chance to do that this tear because season
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4 was sort of feeling in that gap between rating.
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And then also, I've just been late to the Mythic Plus game, so
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was working with shoe boots, to get him, his KSM, as well as
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another friend of ours who lie who used to be in the guild with
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yourself and myself. And then of course, myself.
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I strangely didn't get KSM this season, so behind on that yet,
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he didn't get it yet. There's still time.
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Yeah, I honestly just need to do one more dungeon on either one
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at a significant level and it'll be there as for rating that just
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finished. We tried to do a little bit more
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Mythic but we're just not able to feel the Numbers right now, I
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think just with the announcement it was the right time to say,
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let's take a break and come back for it with the launch of dragon
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flight. So now with that said and done,
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I do want to concentrate on getting some of these mounts
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that I haven't been spending time on with a bunch of people
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who have been very enthusiastic about getting mounts.
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It's sort of put that Our kin to me, again, I want to really push
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and I do that. So I've got one more Mount that
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I need to get from the Argent tournament.
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So, I've been doing those dailies.
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I've been putting parking a bunch of my faults in front of
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Dungeons and running those once a day for the last map that I
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need out of particular Dungeons. And hopefully if I've got the
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time I'm I can run a couple of those classic raids and maybe
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maybe get some of those. Oh, so rare drops.
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So yeah, that's where I'm at right now.
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Other than, of course testing all my gosh testing testing is
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like they, it's always funny whenever they whenever they
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approach the end of the testing phase where they're like, moving
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from iteration to to like the more fine-tuning stuff.
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Things always seem to like, calm down for like a week.
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And then after that, it's just like, okay, no, we gotta go, we
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gotta go right now and that's like this.
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I think the thing for me is that with the, with the latest, with
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the latest beta build that we got and the latest PTR build
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even More visual changes to the systems that are coming with,
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dragonflight have been implemented.
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And I think that's like, Bend thing for me, that's triggered,
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like, oh, it's game time. We're almost there, like, I can
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feel it. I can feel it in the air.
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Like the electricity, the static electricity is like building
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with with the excitement around this expansion.
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It's definitely there, definitely there but for me I
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would have Warcraft has been treating me in the last week.
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I've been on kind of a vacation so I haven't had like a like too
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much time to spend in in either version of the game either.
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Whether it's like actual Modern World of Warcraft like retail
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wow or the beta or even Wrath of the Lich King Classic like I
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haven't really had as much time. To put towards my goals in there
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and primarily right now, I'm still like laser focused on
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getting to level 80. So, like I'm taking I'm taking
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as much time as I can that I feel comfortable with taking
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away from my leveling experience in Wrath to like, dig into the
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meat and potatoes of what's going on in the beta.
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And I feel like, I feel like I've done an okay job with that
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on that front. But like, With everything else.
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Just like with everyone's lives. Like the, there's only so much
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time in the day and I got a, I got a hit Level 80, I have to
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have to hit Level 80 because I got a, I got a red team.
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Got a get a get like my pre-raid gear before going to the raid,
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the raids have been open. And most of the people in my
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guild have already cleared next Ramos.
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So it's like, okay, well I feel doubly bad.
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Now that I'm not 80 and don't have Don't have any rating gear
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to show for my time that I've spent, because I've spent quite
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a, I feel like a good chunk of time.
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But I've had, I've had distractions of head real life
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happened. That's okay, though, it's okay
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the raids aren't going anywhere. The red team will still be there
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whenever I do hit Level 80 and it'll be fine, it'll be fine.
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But yeah, they're going to be testing the catch up gear that
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heroic plus should be coming in handy.
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Andy, yes. Well I don't know that I will I
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don't know that it necessarily well because that's not
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happening until season 2 or I guess phase two that they don't
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really have seasons and classic well but Phase 2 of Wrath of the
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Lich King is when that is being implemented and I'm fully I'm
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fully like expecting that I will be fully read geared on my on my
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Shaman at least. So I may I'd like I'll
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definitely be testing it but with my warlock not with not
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with my main. So how's your balance?
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Like planned? Between dragonflight being
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released at the end of November Goering, up your Shaman catching
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up and leveling your warlock. Plus like I assume that you're
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going to have a normal life and spend time with family for
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Thanksgiving and other holidays. That seat that seems likes a lot
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to balance. I know people think that I'm the
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hardcore player here, but I'm just, I'm looking.
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I'm looking Little bit of all here.
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My my answer to that question is that is a problem for future
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live. Is that is future lives problem
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for right now. I'm just enjoying the time that
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I have in classic. Wow, I know a lot of my friends
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are like now that OverWatch to is here, they're spending their
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downtime between shadowlands season.
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Four goals being met and the dragon flight release.
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They're spending their time in OverWatch to Over-the-moon happy
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for them. I don't really particularly have
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an interest in it. So I'm spending my time in the
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other. Wow.
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So I had I'm hoping I'm hoping to be like through with the raid
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and be at a point where I can like successfully like bench my
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character and come in for like off nights once once we get into
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the swing of things with dragonflight, but I still have,
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I still have some reservations about dragonflight being like my
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main In way that I experience. World of Warcraft, when it
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actually does get here because I am thoroughly excited for
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everything that they're bringing to the table, but I don't know
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that like, rating and Mythic plus, and crafting, and all of
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those systems being tied together.
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I don't know if I'm going to have the time to be able to do
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one of the other, and I just have to like, personally for me,
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I have to like, at some point say, okay, this is This is my
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choice. This is like, I have to make a
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decision here and I chose to try and go back and forth between
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modern, wow and classic. Wow, throughout the entirety of
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burning Crusade, and I feel like I burned myself for having done
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that because I had my attention. So, split between the two
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versions of the game that I don't feel like I was able to
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give to give as much. Attention and Care around
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playing either of those that I wanted to.
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So I feel I feel like I'm approaching like this critical
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mass of like I want to play both.
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I'm very excited about both but I can't play both to the extent
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that I want to play them just because time is a factor that
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everyone has to take into their lives.
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Yeah, it's very true especially since RAF has launched so close
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to dragonflight, it's especially worse for you because you're a
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content creator. So you're trying to balance, not
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only your play, but keeping up with the news and developments
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of the games which kind of brings me to my other question,
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which is do we know when Phase 2 would be We have no idea at this
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point. I don't even think Phase 2 is on
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the PTR yet for, for wrath classic.
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So that's that is something that I feel like they're gonna give
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it a couple of months for this first phase of classic to kind
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of breathe. I would imagine that we're going
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to see I would imagine that we're going to see phase to hit
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the PTR fairly quickly just because they're actually doing,
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you know, some level of development outside of just
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making sure systems are functioning properly and making
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sure the raids are functioning properly.
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But since they're adding that new that new system of heroic
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plus that's got to have some extensive testing because that's
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something being added into the game being injected into the
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game that wasn't Prior so they're having to like expend
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resources in order to get something developed for that
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version of the game. So I would imagine that we're
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going to we're going to see like a little bit longer of a of a
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testing period on Phase 2 before we actually get it.
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And we're probably not going to see it until like late January
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at the earliest if I had to guess.
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So we'll see. We'll see, I know I know that
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the Raids like, naxxramas has already been cleared, like, they
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won within hours of the rate. Actually opening up, naxxramas
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was cleared. And that, that was fully
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expected, especially since they pushed out the opening of
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naxxramas like a whole week out from the launch of the
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expansion. Yeah.
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The teams had like way more time to prepare and get ready to go
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into the raid and it was just, it was just a matter of minutes.
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Really do you know which was took?
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I don't know, I don't know. I thought my head.
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It's okay. All right.
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So then my question would be and I were talking a lot about
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classic at the beginning because the news stories are so focused
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on dragon fight that we're just we're trying to get our classic
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talk out of the way I guess. But in terms of classic you are
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saying okay don't see anything on the PTR till January needs
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extensive. Testing, do you think that's too
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large a gap between content? Patches?
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If you saying extensive testing, what are you saying there?
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So to clarify, I think that we'll see the PTR for phase to
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happen relatively quickly. I think it's going to be within,
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like, definitely before the end of the year.
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Is is when I would like to see the PTR for it.
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Go up. But is as far as As far as what
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I think we're going to see. like, I'm giving a goal, I get
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my not really a goal, but like, I'm giving my idea for when I
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think phase two would happen like actually be released being
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the end of January because They did the kind of moved fast a
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little bit with the First with the first phase of PVC.
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And at least it felt really fast to move as quickly as they did
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with, like going between Phase 1 and Phase 2 of T b-- c--.
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But really, like there wasn't really a whole lot going for
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for, like, the rating community in there.
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Like the endgame Community, I guess within the first phase, Of
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TBC. So guys, like we had, we had
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cares and we had girls and we had make their dens and that was
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the raid. That was that was what was
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there. And then we're going into
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serpent train, Cavern and Tempest, keep in Phase 2.
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So I felt like they were they were trying to get those into
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into players hands as quickly as possible.
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And I feel like it's a gonna be a similar thing of They're like,
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they know that people are going to be farmed out on naxxramas
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like relatively quickly. People are going to be farmed
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out on malygos. People are going to be farmed
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out on, on the raid content that is available currently
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relatively quickly. And people are going to want to
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be like people are just going to be chomping at the bit to get
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into old or because that's like the that's the favorite raid
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across the board. Like, if you ask anyone who
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rated during During wrath Lich King, top answer, like by a long
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shot, by a long mile is older, whereas what the favorite rate
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is, so I feel like contrarian, but having rated in that time,
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like yes, it is the best Wrath raid.
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But I like, I think I'm just being contrary.
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I'm saying it's not the best rate ever because I will, I will
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throw hands and fight for Throne of Thunder, but yeah, I would In
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terms of like the life entire life of World of Warcraft, I
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agree with you throwing Thunder, slapped super hard, and I don't
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think that they've, like, created a rate experience that
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has slapped as hard since because that was just a
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fantastic raid. All in all like, if there is, if
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there is a pinnacle of rating. It is there an offender?
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I agree. But just in terms Of raids that
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were available in Wrath of the Lich King, although art Takes
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the Cake. So I think, I think that there's
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there's going to be a lot of people that are chomping at the
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bit to get into it. I like, I can already tell you
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that. There are multiple people in my
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guild in my RAID team that are chomping at the bit to get into
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old or so, I think that they're that they're going to try to get
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it out as quickly as they can. So that I'm saying, For, for
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phase two like late January, early February, as we assist the
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testing. So we, yeah.
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I'm saying like, I would like to see testing like the PTR for
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phase two, go up as soon as possible like within probably
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the next couple of weeks if I had any say in it.
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I would say they need to get testing for Phase 2 up quickly
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because because there is a lot that they've got to go through
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with it but That's not the only thing that they're that we're
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testing are that they should be testing more of and probably
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will be testing more of, because we oh, oh buddy, do we have so
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much so much beta news for dragonflight, don't we?
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Yeah. So the big thing that happened
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while we were away is that to new builds of come up and those
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builds have been flagged as release candidates, Which means
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they are putting these four words as like, hey, can we go
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live like this? The spoiler answer is no.
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There has been too many bugs in stability issue.
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That caused them to take this beta servers down for entire day
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to make things work out right. And a couple of things that
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they're throwing in there that they still need to iterate on,
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but they're being hopeful. That at least these builds are
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now. So in favor of bug fixes tuning
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there, they're not adding in new features or not.
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Reinventing the wheel. In most cases, we will get to a
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point where they are Reinventing one mechanic, but we are now
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seeing the tear sets come in and And those getting iterated upon
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in the next build. We are now seeing that they have
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put in the Winds of wisdom, which is a 50% experience.
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Bonus on retail servers, that is going to last all the way
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through until the pre patch. So we don't know.
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When the pre patch is they didn't give us the date for
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that, but if you You have an ALT let's say you are working on
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your Affliction, warlock that you want to take into dragon
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fight. Make sure you're pushing with
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that. If you've got some professional
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alts that you want to have ready, make sure you're you're
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getting those up because once the pre patch hits, the Winds of
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wisdom will disappear and then as for the pre patch, we have
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gotten the news that evoke hers will be available for anybody
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who has pre-ordered. The expansion which means that
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in the pre patch you will be able to play through the
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starting experience and then take those through this is why
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way earlier in the beta we had a volkers getting some rudimentary
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conduits and a covenant power so that they you can play those in
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shadowlands if you are somebody who is trying desperately to get
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your slime Kitty. Make sure that you have those
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ready, it will still be available to get and all of the
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raids will become faded. So it won't be on the rotation
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until we actually have the dragonflight launched on
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November 28th, but if you are somebody who's trying to get the
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season for KSM, Mount looking at myself here, make sure you get
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those done the next couple of weeks because season 4 will be
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ending. And they put that note of
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Fication up. So anybody doing your
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Battlegrounds, anybody who is trying to get their KSM and any
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of that stuff, make sure you do it.
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Remember, they did put up an article saying what's going
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away. When so do refer back to that
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article and we'll put that into our show notes with that said,
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But moving back into the news about drag inflate, there is
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something else that has been going on for a couple of weeks
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now. That is now continuing on into a
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little bit more little bit more Focus testing.
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We have raided testing, in fact, starting starting off wed.
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We have kind of the rest of the The Raid testing schedule.
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With Thursday, this Thursday October 13th, being being some
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Mythic testing, they're going through the Primal list Council
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and are nog and Siddharth the cold breath.
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And following that Thursdays Mythic testing, we're going into
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Friday, starting Mythic testing on boss's death, a ascended, and
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brood keeper diurna. And after that testing ends,
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they'll be going And two normal modes, I believe is going to be
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the entirety of normal is going to be available for testing
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starting at 3 o'clock Pacific time.
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So if you're interested in doing that, that is that is going to
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be available and then after that ends so I think it's going to be
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yeah. So that rate testing INS INS
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three days after, so they're opening up normal mode on the
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14th and ending it on, October 7th at 9 p.m.
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PDT or night at 9 a.m. PDT, sorry.
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And then, that'll be basically the end of re testing for that
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week and then the following Friday, they'll pick back up
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with two more Mythic bosses, curragh grimtotem and tarot's.
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That'll be starting at At 1 p.m. PDT.
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With cure argh and then to p.m. PDT for Terrace.
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And then raid finder is opening up with the Primal bulwark Wing
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which includes are nog Primal. Counseled the Thais end it,
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which will start at 3 p.m. PDT and end on the 24th of
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October. And then the next raid test for
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Rangefinder will be the following Friday on October
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28th, which will be the caverns of infusion, which, It's Bosses
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Terrace Siddharth and curragh grimtotem that will start at 1
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p.m. PDT on the 28th.
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So if you are interested in doing any amount of rate
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testing, those are your times. We also have the full times
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listed with with a few times own conversions for you thrown into
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the show notes. So if you want to check those
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out, do check out the show notes but the reason I said that
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they're doing a little bit, seemingly a little bit more
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targeted. Testing is not in the bosses
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themselves that are being tested.
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Did. But instead that they're testing
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with the tier set bonuses. So, we said last episode, we had
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mentioned the tier set bonuses being put into the build, but we
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didn't actually get around to talking about it because there
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were so many other things going on.
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We just didn't have time to discuss them.
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At length last episode. So we wanted to take a little
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bit of time to kind of give our thoughts on what's going on
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because they the set bonuses have been in long enough for us
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to see what they are and also for changes to be implemented in
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a later build so many, what are? What are your like first
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thoughts on on all the set bonuses for if it even, even if
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it's just for the classes that you're interested in playing,
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like, what were your first thoughts, Well, I like that.
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The set bonuses are set up to not completely change your
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rotation so that we're all going to be learning with these new
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talent trees, it's probably going to have some new rotations
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or priorities or spells that you're going to focus on.
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You may not even have spells that you typically used to use
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on your bars at all because you haven't learned them.
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So, I was really happy to hear that the tier sets aren't going
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to be so specifically Focus that they're going to change what you
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did. Like we have had in the 9.2 tear
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sets that are about rotational changes.
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The other part to it is that they said that the tier bonuses
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aren't going to be focused on something that will kind of
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pigeonhole you into tell its elections so that people can
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experiment with all these different talents elections.
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You're not going to have to make sure that you are.
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I don't know using seed of corruption for warlocks.
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You're you're not going to have to make sure that you are
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speccing into. Fan of knives or whatever.
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It might be to force an AOE thing.
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And I'm really glad that they have put those out as their
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goals and stated them ahead of anybody testing.
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So, in some ways they have succeeded in that in some ways,
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they're has needed to be iteration.
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And I think that's where the iteration has been.
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I've seen iteration like the Enhancement Shaman said, I'm
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just going to Dive Right In That one where they had to broaden
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it. So it now increases the damage
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of schools of spells so that you don't need to spec into hot hand
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or into lava lash deeply to take advantage of a fire buff but
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they also changed one of the bonuses so that it wasn't a
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cooldown reduction. And I know a cooldown reduction
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does that sound like something that would force your hand in
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terms of many classes? But because Shaman is a very or
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other Enhancement. Shaman is a very Global cooldown
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locked class. And this one would force you to
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change your rotation in a way that you would only keep that
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one spell that you wanted to reduce the cooldown.
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Actually on cooldown for people who have played Vengeance Demon
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Hunter and know that you don't use the other sigils because you
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wanted all funneled into the 11 sigil.
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That's what this was going to do for shamans and that in itself
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is a rotational dictating ability and that's against what
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they wanted. So that's why I point to that
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one because it kind of had both of those goals.
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Kind of messed up and then addressed and I'm glad to see
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that. Yeah.
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And I would say all the changes that were implemented definitely
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fit along those lines. But we do have we do have in our
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show notes, all of the, the current, as of the latest build
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set bonuses as they're appearing in game.
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So if you want to check that out, they are in the show notes
28:52
for you. If you want to look and see
28:54
where this is or if like me you like having kind of an Whole set
29:00
of data to point back to to look back and see like oh that's
29:04
crazy. That this is the iteration that
29:06
they were gonna go with when we actually get whatever whatever
29:11
state that the set bonuses are going to be in.
29:17
It's good. It's good.
29:18
Sometimes to be able to go back and look back at what's going
29:21
on. But for the most part, I think
29:24
yamini, I would definitely agree that this is like their goal of
29:29
having the having the set bonuses be something that, that
29:34
is kind of agnostic of ability, which isn't necessarily the case
29:39
in all cases like like for Demon Hunter and and death knight
29:45
forever like even getting more specific Frost death knight,
29:47
like, both the two and four piece set.
29:50
Bonuses are just like, does something with your
29:53
obliterating, Frost site. So, if you don't have Frost
29:55
sites like the kind of feel like you want to take it for the for
29:59
the AOE situations, but it also works on obliterate.
30:03
So you can just focus on obliterate for single Target and
30:05
it kind of works out in the end. So there's a lot of that, a lot
30:10
of a lot of just like broad, broadly speaking things that are
30:15
going to be useful for your class.
30:16
They're all things that affect, very universally taken
30:24
abilities. They're either either like
30:27
universally taken through your talent selection or is going to
30:30
be something that is in the way of what you're going to be
30:34
wanting to take. Anyway and it all kind of works
30:38
together with with the with the talent system in a very neat way
30:42
that doesn't make you feel like you are being forced to Take a
30:47
very specific build which of course that also being said, I
30:53
do think it is worth noting that some of these set bonuses will
30:58
like upon further and inspection of the entire system.
31:03
As a whole Theory, Crafters are going to do with your Crafters
31:07
do and they're going to be able to point at a specific build
31:10
that is going to be able to capitalize on the bonuses that
31:14
were going to be getting from the set bonuses.
31:15
It'll be like, okay well This is like a standard build that you
31:18
can take, but once you've got your four piece, you want to
31:20
move XY Talent over to a b and that's going to just be a better
31:28
use of your talent points. And a lot of people are going to
31:31
follow that advice. A lot of people are gonna do
31:34
what they want to do with it anyway and try to come up with
31:36
their own builds and that's going to be okay because guess
31:38
what the system is set up to reward that kind of play and I'm
31:44
personally very excited to play with it.
31:47
Yeah, again, I think leaving it as open as possible making it
31:53
not demand as much as possible. Is the best way to do it for
31:57
these introductory tear of the expansion and I'm glad that
32:04
we're getting tear sets. I'll, I find them are just, they
32:07
are just fun and they keep the rotation fresh they allow when
32:12
we get our next tier sets and those will be a different
32:16
Bonuses are kit, will interact differently with them, so easy
32:21
come easy, go fun, fresh ways of playing.
32:24
And if it's bad it's gone in a few months or what.
32:28
Yes. Yeah.
32:30
Or you could just do what I do and roll an entirely different
32:33
character between raid ears but I guess hardcore as you right?
32:39
Right yeah not nearly as hard core is is Olivia.
32:43
No definitely not but Speaking of Hardcore, Manny you touched
32:48
on this at the top of the episode but season 4 is coming
32:52
to a close. We have we have an official last
32:59
day of season 4. It's been announced two feet.
33:05
I believe is October 25th. Is that correct?
33:09
October 25th, and then a October 26th in EU October 27th in Asia?
33:14
Yes, there we go. So, October 25th in the u.s.
33:20
PVP content will end at 10 p.m. night record, this show with a
33:25
Canadian and you still call it us.
33:29
Okay, in a sorry. Sorry, sorry.
33:32
Sorry my language. I am, I am.
33:37
That was intentional. So, 10 p.m. night before
33:40
maintenance begins in each region, so North America will be
33:47
2200 in central. Oh, wait.
33:52
No, that's false 20. Yeah. 2200 CEST for European
34:02
Realms, 10 p.m. PDT for North America.
34:05
I got confused on the wording of that if that's okay.
34:09
With with the end of the season, of course you will not be able
34:14
to earn PVP seasonal, rewards titles, or shadowlands season
34:18
for rankings. So if you want to go for those
34:21
titles, if you want to go for the rewards, get into some
34:24
Marina, get into some rated Battlegrounds.
34:27
You got limited time like literally two weeks and and
34:35
you'll be out of luck to get those.
34:37
So jump in to get those if you want them.
34:43
Also with the end of the season, of course brings an end to
34:47
Mythic plus season four as well. So with that with that that It's
34:54
is as well. The after that maintenance on
34:58
the 25th, the titled shredded hero will also be unavailable.
35:04
So if you're working towards your towards that title, you
35:09
have two weeks to very, very short weeks to get that in and
35:15
also to get your to get the rest of the season for Mythic plus
35:20
rewards like the mount with KSM. So, So do do do do very much,
35:27
pay attention to that, get it on your calendar.
35:29
If you, if you want those rewards the time, the window for
35:36
it is closing very swiftly, very, very swiftly. yeah, I
35:45
think it's It is about that time and do we think that this is
35:52
them tipping their hand to when we're getting the pre patch?
35:56
Do we think that it'll go down for maintenance on that day and
35:59
we'll get the pre patch the day when it comes back up, or do you
36:06
think we're going to have some strange week in between or two
36:10
weeks in between where we're not in, dragonflight Pre patch, but
36:16
we're no longer in the Enough shadowlands.
36:22
I think, I think they give it a week.
36:24
I think they give it a week to breathe personally.
36:30
And that may be that may just be wishful thinking on my part.
36:34
Why would you call that Wishful? Wishful, Wishful in that.
36:39
I want them to give as much time as they possibly can to the
36:45
testing before they implement the the pre patch.
36:51
I want I want more more time in beta just because like that for
36:57
any particular reason, I just think that it's always it's
37:01
always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to testing
37:05
like the more time that they spend in a testing State, the
37:08
better state that the game's gonna release in.
37:13
So The Wishful Thinking is giving themselves as much time
37:19
to work through. All the Kinks and make sure that
37:22
everything is is hunky-dory. Before they actually get the pre
37:28
patch out the door, which like pre patch.
37:31
They're still gonna have time because we're not getting the
37:33
actual release of the expansion until the end of November.
37:41
So, they're still there still will be time after the pre patch
37:47
hits but The Fokker starting experience all of that is all
37:55
like as soon as they have it out its out and they have done quite
38:00
a lot of testing on it, and there continues to be good
38:04
testing on on that front even today.
38:11
But it's just more time is always good in my finger.
38:17
All right, um so I guess I'll continue the contrary and
38:21
standard here. I think that it is going to come
38:25
live. If everything goes according to
38:30
what I think their plans are on the 25th and there's a number of
38:34
things that I think are pointing to that one, is that we have the
38:38
faded dungeon or sorry faded. Raid rotation this week, we are
38:44
on sanctum of domination next week, which will be the week,
38:49
starting the 18th and na. We will have the Sepulchre, so
38:55
SFO is going to be on the rotation.
38:57
Then we hit the 25th which if it doesn't switch to the pre patch
39:06
would mean that we'd have this strange sort of week where we're
39:11
no longer in the rotation or are we in the rotation based on what
39:16
they had said. But they had said that the
39:18
rotation would end with the pre patch and it would be perfectly
39:23
on time for that rotation to end SFO.
39:26
Having its last We con rotation, everything being opened up on
39:29
the 25th, which they said it would happen with the pre patch.
39:31
So that's my first point in indication.
39:36
The second thing is that, once you unleash these talents to the
39:43
general populace, whether they're in the beta or testing
39:48
out on the PTR, that is one thing, but when it is live, you
39:52
are getting so much more testing.
39:57
From the general populace that I think that data is invaluable in
40:05
many ways. They've gotten to a point where
40:07
they've been able to clear out much of the larger issues.
40:10
There shouldn't be anything particularly game-breaking as
40:13
far as they're aware with a closed set of people that they
40:16
have on both those environments, but open it up to everybody with
40:21
their characters with so much information that they may, or
40:24
may not have poured it out onto the beta or into the pit.
40:27
ER when they were testing and we will see a lot of data, so I
40:33
think that that will help them. So those are the two reasons
40:37
that I think that the 25th is the way the other one is that
40:41
they have been putting out so many articles that have been
40:46
saying oh this is ending or or we're getting we're getting all
40:52
of this stuff ready for dragonflight that they've done
40:55
all but say okay. Here's the new stuff.
40:58
They said you're running out of time for the old stuff, but they
41:00
haven't said, here's a new stuff.
41:02
And I think that's just really, they're trying to be as careful
41:04
as they can be, but we've had announcements days before, like,
41:10
on Thursday and then the Tuesday, this the switch is
41:15
flipped so just because it's going to be more or less than
41:19
two weeks from now, because that's what we're literally
41:21
looking at at the time of this recording less than two weeks
41:24
before the 25th. It I mean that they won't go
41:28
ahead and make that move. Yeah yeah and as always your
41:34
current your contrarian Viewpoint has converted me to
41:38
logic and reason we're we are all trepidatious about dragon
41:47
fight. We've had high hopes for
41:51
shadowlands, high hopes for BFA and we've all been burned.
41:56
So we Ain't them to test it and get it right?
41:59
We have had people who have been done with this game who are
42:03
waiting for a chance to jump in and there is a question of Can
42:11
they even have this game be decent and expect it to succeed?
42:17
I think it has to be a smashing success.
42:20
So that's, that's the fear that a lot of us have and I can
42:25
understand why you would want them to get more time tested,
42:28
get more time testing, but the fact of the matter is that
42:31
November 28th is coming sooner than later.
42:34
So they've got to get the ball rolling.
42:38
I agree with ya. With that said, I would like to
42:42
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reach new listeners. Now, we're going to dive into
43:08
something that I'm particularly only interested in which is the
43:12
Mythic Keystone's on our last episode.
43:14
We talked about all the changes coming to the raid and the Vault
43:19
of the incarnates, using an entirely new scaling system, for
43:24
the iron levels as well as them using new Boe drops.
43:31
And so many things that were changing around with the loot.
43:35
When we are talking about that, I said, hey, one of the major
43:39
things that changes by bias, that gives me informs my point
43:42
of view is Mythic plus because I play a lot of Mythic plus and a
43:46
lot of my loot primarily comes from there, and blizzard has now
43:51
dropped the other foot as well as giving us a lot of
43:55
information. So in dragonflight, we're going
43:59
to be seeing some changes to the reward system, the rewards for
44:03
the end of dungeon and The great Vault are going to be scaling
44:07
from 2 plus past 15 which was the cap that we've had thus far
44:12
all the way up to 20 and at 20 plus the end of Vault reward is
44:20
going to be 4 for 11 and the sorry rather the great Vault
44:30
will scale all the way up to 421. and you can now upgrade the
44:37
gear that you get, 13 ranks. So an additional rank instead of
44:42
just up to 12 and that will put it up 2415 item level.
44:47
Now, you'll need a rating of 2400, which is about doing all
44:53
of the dungeons on fortified and tyrannical at a 20 or higher.
45:02
But what that means is that the rewards are going to be
45:09
reasonably around the level that they are higher than the entry
45:15
level bosses in Mythic. And can go all the way up to
45:20
equivalent with the end of wing bosses and short of the last two
45:27
bosses in the raid, for the Vault of the incarnates.
45:29
So it's going to be very close, but just like we had, in nine
45:34
point two point five, there were going to be a few bosses that
45:38
have an eye level Advantage. This is also mixed in with the
45:42
fact that all of the bosses have that Unique Piece of gear that
45:48
has a Six or seven item level increase.
45:51
So there are going to be some bosses that are just going to
45:54
have better gear. If you happen to get that rare
45:58
drop, but it does mean that Mythic plus is going to be
46:01
fairly competitive beyond the Gary.
46:06
We're now seeing the affixes getting adjusted in terms of the
46:12
normal structure. Once you start going Beyond an
46:16
eleven plus chi chi, Add 11 plus and Beyond the compounding
46:22
health and damage bonus is going to be 10% per level.
46:28
Whereas before it was eight. So from Keys what keys to + 2
46:34
10, you will get an 8% compounding health and damage
46:39
and and then from 11 to 20 and Beyond, you're going to have
46:43
that 10% compounding damage amp. They have decided that they're
46:50
going to be for this season at least retiring inspiring and
46:56
necrotic. We are not going to be seeing
46:59
those in season one of dragon flight.
47:02
And that means that in this season, the rotation instead of
47:07
being 12 weeks is going to be 10. they gave examples or
47:13
reasons for the retiring of inspiring and for necrotic, as
47:20
well as giving a reason for the shorter, affix rotation, and
47:25
those reasons are in our show notes and as well as a link that
47:29
we have within the show notes, The other part that has been
47:35
kind of a talk in the last to build has been the new seasonal
47:40
affix, and before I talk about exactly what the new seasonal
47:45
effects is now because it has seen some changes.
47:49
I do want to talk about like how they are trying to position the
47:52
Seesaw, ethics one of the reasons that you're seeing keys
47:58
at 11 and higher, get a 10% compounding Damage is because
48:04
the seasonal affix is no longer going to be doing as much of the
48:08
heavy lifting. They are meant to be simpler.
48:12
A fixes that have the possibility of actually
48:16
returning later on into the base rotation.
48:21
They are supposed to be thematic towards, whatever is happening
48:26
that particular season. And the example they gave was
48:30
when we were in the first season.
48:31
None of shadowlands. And we had the prideful buff and
48:35
we had the voice of sired and a serious through.
48:41
They felt that that was good theming really helped out and I
48:45
completely agree. I think that prideful was a
48:49
great thematic. Buff.
48:51
It did have its issues. I think that when we went and
48:57
did For thematic things. When we were in the sanctum of
49:02
domination and we were getting powers in Mythic plus, I think
49:09
thematically, it was pretty cool in terms of execution, it ended
49:13
up being the same thing over and over again which Powers you
49:16
chose regardless. In terms of theming, I think
49:20
it's great. Reducing the complexity could be
49:25
good, but I think that it's actually Much harder, design
49:30
challenge to design something that is both simple.
49:36
Effective and challenging. That to get to this season's
49:44
affix, they aren't quite hitting the mark yet.
49:48
In my opinion, originally thundering was going to be the
49:53
season one ethics. And it still is going to be to
49:56
season one affix. But in name only because they've
50:00
completely changed what it did. What it originally it was was
50:05
that a storm would come in? There would be some incremental
50:09
damage as the storm happened and then there would be circles
50:12
around players and from each player 5 orbs which shootout,
50:19
this is similar to season 1's prideful, where you would have
50:23
those crosses and they would shoot out and you would make
50:26
sure that you are not hitting anybody with it.
50:29
And the same is true here. And this was on a simple 75
50:35
second timer. So you could easily have a week
50:38
or much like quaking that says spread out, make sure that
50:42
you're aligning yourself to not hit your friends and then
50:46
continue on It was simple, it didn't really offer much again.
50:52
Be 10% scaling past. Eleven was really what was going
50:55
to have to be carrying carrying the load, but it was also
50:59
somewhat problematic. Because if you had mechanics in
51:05
the, in the dungeon that forced you to stack up, at that
51:08
particular time, it would be very, very Troublesome
51:14
regardless. They've switched it in the
51:16
latest build. We haven't had time to test the
51:20
latest version as of this recording because Mythic plus
51:25
will be once again available with two new dungeons to test
51:30
this weekend, but Wowhead has gone through and data mind, what
51:37
we are getting. So there will still be a storm
51:41
that is going to cause cause damage to people, but it's going
51:45
to have funder strikes that are going to hit Take away areas and
51:48
anybody who's within four yards of that that area will get
51:52
stunned for a second and take some damage.
51:55
It will also Mark players and we don't know how many players and
51:59
that's going to be important with one of two marks are Mark
52:03
of wind or a mark of lightning. That will give you a 15 second
52:10
buff and within that 15 seconds, you will deal 15% increase
52:15
damage. And he'll with fifteen percent
52:20
increased efficiency. If you come in contact with a
52:24
player who has the opposite Mark, you will neutralize the
52:27
mark, this is very much like the anduin blasphemy mechanic for
52:33
those who have done the and Owen fight.
52:38
But remember, while you have that Mark, you're getting the
52:41
buff. So you don't really want to run
52:44
into your friends until the last second.
52:47
Because if it runs out by itself, you will be afflicted
52:51
with Primal overload, which will stun you, 48 seconds, you'll get
52:57
stunned once for a single second.
53:00
Every eight seconds, refreshing on the second stun locking you
53:04
for the entire time. And you will take damage during
53:08
At time. So from what we're seeing in
53:13
these descriptions, what people are saying, is the way to go
53:17
about this is that these marks will go out.
53:21
You'll find somebody with the opposite Mark.
53:23
You'll get close to them, but not too close and unleash hell.
53:30
And then as close as you can risk, it, you will then run into
53:34
each other, the clear that, it clear the buff before it Hours.
53:40
I think this is very cool. For organized groups, I think
53:47
this is going to be hell for pugs and on organized groups
53:52
with low communication. And I also believe that some of
53:58
the difficulties might come from How many marks go out.
54:04
So, if all five of you get a Mark, that means that there's
54:09
one odd. Man out, who doesn't have a
54:12
somebody with a correspondingly opposite buff, so I'm assuming
54:17
that that's not going to be it, if it goes to random people,
54:22
then we have an issue where, oh, the Healer got the buff, and
54:27
we're doing fine on healing. That sucks or the tank.
54:30
Got the buff and isn't doing that.
54:32
Damage that sucks, who knows? So we will see where it is, but
54:40
the other part of it is that it's now reached a level where I
54:44
think it would be fine for a seasonal affix.
54:48
But I never want to see this. Put into the normal rotation.
54:53
It is too complicated. Mmm.
54:56
Yeah, I agree. It does seem a little bit.
55:02
Unnecessarily complicated, given their design parameter of
55:06
wanting to have something that can be injected into the regular
55:10
rotation. Yeah, I like the idea of it and
55:15
like, I like those like kind of Kiss curse things.
55:19
And I think that's the Crux of this if you want to put these
55:24
things and have them returned. In the regular affix pile.
55:31
The regular affix pile does not have kiss curse.
55:34
You don't have a way to use volcanic to your advantage, you
55:38
don't have a way to use quaking to your advantage.
55:41
There's no way to turn inspiring against your enemy.
55:49
So I think that's why in version one, it didn't have kiss, kiss
55:54
the kiss curse, mechanic, and maybe it becomes something that
55:59
it's when it's originally around, you'll get the buff, but
56:03
when it is returning, the buff doesn't exist, just to simplify
56:07
it. Yeah, I think, I think the like
56:11
a way to change it would be to have marks kind of go out a
56:16
little bit staggered. In like like if there is, if
56:22
they're still doing, like, the thing of like the storms are
56:24
happening then, like while the storm is happening, each player
56:27
gets a chance of getting the debuff, maybe extend the the
56:31
duration on it past 15 seconds to like 18 or 20 and have them
56:35
like staggered off to where every person will get one.
56:42
Up to like let's just say, six, six of them, go out and each
56:48
player in that team is going to get one and one players going to
56:52
get to wear and have it to be where the strategy is.
56:57
Then to make sure that everyone in your team is getting their,
57:02
their debuff dispelled before the timer runs out.
57:05
I feel like that would be a much a much cooler mechanic.
57:08
Like I had as much as I'd like, Kiss curse things, I think that
57:12
It, I think that it's a little bit.
57:16
Too much. For for mechanics being brought
57:21
back season over season because I feel like that was that was
57:25
the place with seasonal affixes. That made it fun to go from
57:30
season to season to see what seasonal affix was going to be.
57:33
There was to see, like, okay, how do we have to play this?
57:37
How do we have to play this, to make sure that we're making the
57:40
most out of the buff that we get from this effect?
57:42
Not necessarily? Just how do we avoid the bad
57:47
thing? So if that is their intent with
57:52
it, I feel like, I feel like taking the kiss part out of it
57:56
is probably going to be necessary.
58:00
Yeah, I do want to say that they don't need the kiss curse and it
58:05
as much as well, because we have did dungeon rotation happening,
58:11
we're learning these dungeons. The dungeons are going to be the
58:14
star of the show. The effects is now relegated to
58:18
window dressing as it were. And then when we move Beyond
58:24
this, We're not having the same dungeon, so not going to become
58:28
stale because we're going to rotate and get four new dungeons
58:32
from the Legacy pole, as well as the other 4 dungeons that we
58:36
didn't get to do Mythic, Plus in dragonflight now coming into the
58:41
mythical us rotation. So, I don't know what they're
58:44
going to do season 3, but we don't have that level of change
58:49
Maybe. This is just Pie in the Sky
58:52
dreaming, hear from me, we get to Mythic dungeons in season 2
59:00
and then those get split up into over the last 4 dungeons for
59:04
dragon fight season 3. But that is, that is dreams for
59:09
another day or or a mega dungeon the get split up.
59:15
Yeah. Yeah.
59:15
To Mega dungeons. My politics.
59:17
Okay. Okay.
59:18
I thought that's where you're going with it, but yeah. yeah,
59:21
two two megatons in one patch or Or there's to like not even with
59:29
the with the season to patch of the dragonfly experience getting
59:35
to Mega dungeons but getting getting one Mega dungeon with
59:38
that season start. That is just introduced.
59:42
And then having like another little Side Story That's put in
59:46
and have have another Mega dungeon be brought in with a
59:50
later content patch. And then for the final season,
59:55
having those two cannot be broken down, that would be cool.
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I could also see them saying. Okay, so we do, we do the first
1:00:02
for the first four Mythic Dungeons, and then we'll season
1:00:06
2 is just going to be 2. And then also, we have this this
1:00:10
Mega dungeon that we're breaking up into two separate for for
1:00:13
that. And then with the third season,
1:00:15
they do the same thing of like the remaining two that haven't
1:00:18
been in rotation that I'm getting way ahead of myself
1:00:21
thinking about this, but that is, that is I like that.
1:00:25
I like that idea. Okay, well guys, we have one
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last thing for you and thank you everyone for sticking around
1:00:34
because this is our second giveaway live.
1:00:40
Thank you so much for administering.
1:00:42
The first giveaway for the dragon fight beta keys.
1:00:46
And and might I say congratulations to everyone that
1:00:50
want to keep, if you didn't want to key.
1:00:53
Just know that all of your submissions for it made me laugh
1:00:58
so much and it was, it was a joy to run that and I hope you all
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very much enjoy dragonflight. And for those of you who are
1:01:06
really looking forward to the expansion, well, this is the
1:01:11
giveaway for you because we have two heroic editions of dragon
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fight to give away in order to win.
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You must swear Allegiance. You either myself on team, many
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earth water, or you can swear allegiance to team live life
1:01:31
binder, if you so choose this Friday, October 14th, the for
1:01:37
Azeroth Twitter will tweet out asking you to choose your side.
1:01:43
You have to follow us at fast podcast on Twitter retweet the
1:01:49
giveaway and respond with one of these key phrases.
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And then on the following Tuesday, October 18th, we will
1:01:58
choose one winner from team live life binder and one winner from
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Team, Manny earth water and those winners will have 24 hours
1:02:10
to claim the reward. If the reward isn't claimed in
1:02:13
24 hours, we will select a different winner but this time
1:02:18
from the opposing team, So make sure you get your entries in
1:02:25
look for that tweet on Friday and once again those code
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phrases, our team, many earth water or team live, life binder.
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Good luck to you all. And make sure if you are worried
1:02:39
about exactly what in the world, I was saying, check out the show
1:02:42
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Rolls. Gigi.
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With that said we're going to get out of here live.
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Where can you be found when you are not life binding when I have
1:03:04
not Life by and you can find me on the twitter.com at live
1:03:08
slings bells and also you just mentioned this but we do have a
1:03:13
Discord as well. It is a fantastic place where
1:03:16
lots of people hang out and lots of discussion happens around all
1:03:20
aspects of World of Warcraft. Left including classic,
1:03:24
including, including retail, including the beta and
1:03:27
everything that's going on around there.
1:03:29
So if you want to jump into the discussion, you can head over to
1:03:32
bit.ly slash phase Discord. And yeah, we just have a great
1:03:37
grand old time over there and it's fantastic.
1:03:39
You should join. You should just you do just
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join. It's fine.
1:03:43
But Manny aside from the Discord and outside of your time, spent
1:03:50
Earth warding, where can people find you?
1:03:53
Communicating, with the Earl old gods.
1:03:55
Losing my mind trying to trick everybody into putting their
1:03:58
powers into the dragon soul. But you can see me doing that
1:04:04
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