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ep26 The Wheat Pool reunite · Almost Famous Enough

• 0:23
  It only took 25 episodes to succumb to the narcissism of featuring my own band on the podcast.
• 0:31
  That might be really good or really bad, depending on how you score it.
• 0:35
  So in my efforts to defend my intentions, let me explain.
• 0:41
  I sincerely wanna hold as true to the original intent of the podcast in every episode, to engage in meaningful conversation with artists and bands and music professionals about their experiences believing that inspiration and education lie between the stories and confessions and laughs, and I want to continue to find new ways.
• 1:02
  To tell those stories.
• 1:04
  I just couldn't deny that.
• 1:05
  A lot of my own relevance comes from the time spent in The Wheat Pool.
• 1:10
  It's never just my story.
• 1:13
  It's our story, it's our experience and having gone through the cycle of this supposed birth to life to death of a band, I just can't help but think that this is an arc shared by so many.
• 1:26
  The context is still ours, but I just think it has meaning for many.
• 1:32
  And I wanted everyone to see us for who we were and are because nothing has changed about us.
• 1:37
  Maybe that's what I'm most proud of, just belonging.
• 1:42
  Nothing else in my 25 years of musical pursuits has validated or satisfied me the way that those seven years did, and I hope this becomes a glimpse as to why.
• 1:53
  It helps you reflect on your pursuits.
• 1:55
  Why do you do them?
• 1:57
  Or mostly who do you do them with?
• 1:59
  What will last?
• 2:00
  Where is the actual meaning in it?
• 2:03
  What is the cautionary tale in music or any part of life?
• 2:07
  What will following your passion produce in your life?
• 2:12
  I found a band of brothers, some by blood, the rest of us by spirit.
• 2:18
  Did we ever really break up?
• 2:21
  Our belief in the cause wavered, we ceased operations, but the four of us remained locked in a shared identity time.
• 2:29
  Can't even break it up.
• 2:31
  You tell me.
• 2:34
  The Wheat Pool was brothers Robb and Mike Angus, Stephane Dagenais, and myself.
• 2:40
  Indie Alt Country, the New Canadiana from 2005 to 2012, touring back and forth across Canada, producing two albums, Township and Hauntario, and an EP Behind the Stars.
• 2:54
  Songs built for Canadian highways and the distances between the places and people we love.
• 3:01
  My name is Glen Erickson.
• 3:03
  This is Almost Famous Enough.
• 3:05
  Thanks for spending your time with us.
• 3:07
  This Is It.
• 3:09
  This is The Wheat Pool.
• 3:22
  Glen Erickson: Robb used one of his three jokes already before we hit record.
• 3:26
  Glen Erickson: Now he's got an for three jokes.
• 3:28
  Glen Erickson: Oh, buddy.
• 3:29
  Mike Angus: I've been, he's got several.
• 3:30
  Mike Angus: I've been tucking away nuggets.
• 3:34
  Mike Angus: Alright fellas, I've been tucking away nuggets.
• 3:35
  Mike Angus: Um,
• 3:35
  Glen Erickson: are we loud enough?
• 3:37
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, you'll be loud enough.
• 3:40
  Glen Erickson: I'll try to be a little loud coming
• 3:42
  Mike Angus: here when I'm answering my questions.
• 3:44
  Mike Angus: Just talk like this.
• 3:45
  Mike Angus: We need more
• 3:46
  Stephane Dagenais: up noses.
• 3:47
  Stephane Dagenais: We need more up noses though.
• 3:48
  Stephane Dagenais: When you do that, actually get actually fogging the mic, the camera.
• 3:53
  Glen Erickson: You're like, uh, I get, uh, I'll get like three tracks afterwards.
• 4:00
  Glen Erickson: I can boost your signal, blah, blah, blah.
• 4:03
  Mike Angus: Uh, I sent an additional, uh, question I forgot to send originally.
• 4:07
  Glen Erickson: Oh, well it's too late for me, so you'll have to pop it in when you wanna pop it in.
• 4:12
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 4:13
  Glen Erickson: Um, I,
• 4:13
  Mike Angus: I don't, I assumed we weren't gonna get to all of them.
• 4:18
  Glen Erickson: No, well not all the ones your sister sent, but Yeah, I, I got a good run through to get through.
• 4:24
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 4:25
  Glen Erickson: But, um, I just assume you
• 4:26
  Robb Angus: would pick the good ones.
• 4:28
  Glen Erickson: Well, I don't know if you think I didn't.
• 4:31
  Glen Erickson: You can call an audible.
• 4:32
  Glen Erickson: I don't care.
• 4:33
  Glen Erickson: Um, okay, so when's the last time we were all hanging out in a room?
• 4:37
  Glen Erickson: 'cause right now we're not all in a room, but virtually.
• 4:40
  Glen Erickson: But when was the last time?
• 4:43
  Stephane Dagenais: That must have been Rob's birthday, uh, last year.
• 4:47
  Stephane Dagenais: I have a photo at sea
• 4:48
  Glen Erickson: change.
• 4:50
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 4:50
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 4:51
  Mike Angus: Is that it?
• 4:52
  Mike Angus: Rob's?
• 4:52
  Mike Angus: I think so.
• 4:53
  Mike Angus: Rob's first date or a wing night when I was, yeah.
• 4:55
  Mike Angus: Maybe the next town or something.
• 4:57
  Mike Angus: It's been a while.
• 4:57
  Mike Angus: I, you guys having wings
• 4:58
  Stephane Dagenais: without me?
• 5:01
  Glen Erickson: Sh, way to go, Rob.
• 5:03
  Glen Erickson: Um, no, I don't think so.
• 5:05
  Glen Erickson: That's fine.
• 5:05
  Glen Erickson: No, I, I assume it, was it Ble?
• 5:06
  Glen Erickson: Was it Teeb?
• 5:07
  Stephane Dagenais: Was it Tubble?
• 5:07
  Stephane Dagenais: Was it Tubble?
• 5:09
  Stephane Dagenais: Who's there?
• 5:09
  Stephane Dagenais: Was it Tubble?
• 5:11
  Glen Erickson: No, he
• 5:12
  Stephane Dagenais: doesn't
• 5:12
  Glen Erickson: like people enough.
• 5:16
  Glen Erickson: Uh, the replacement drummer.
• 5:18
  Glen Erickson: That'll be okay.
• 5:22
  Glen Erickson: It's because Teeb segue liked Tebo, liked Patton Oswald so much.
• 5:26
  Glen Erickson: He came on that road trip with us to listen, just to listen to Pat Oswald all the way to Oh, to Manitoba and back, um, to play inside the grain elevator.
• 5:36
  Glen Erickson: Well, this, yep.
• 5:38
  Glen Erickson: The worst guy to take to a grain elevator, actually wheezy beats.
• 5:43
  Glen Erickson: And we took him to, we took, we drove him 10 hours outta
• 5:46
  Robb Angus: town to kill him.
• 5:50
  Robb Angus: I forgot about that.
• 5:52
  Robb Angus: Whoops.
• 5:54
  Glen Erickson: Uh, it's just wheat dust in everybody's lungs for the entire day and a half we were there.
• 6:01
  Glen Erickson: Fist illness, like, goodness.
• 6:04
  Glen Erickson: Uh, okay.
• 6:05
  Glen Erickson: Well then when, when is the last time we played together?
• 6:10
  Glen Erickson: Was this the King Eddie?
• 6:12
  Glen Erickson: Was it the King Eddie cake?
• 6:13
  Glen Erickson: During COVID?
• 6:14
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 6:14
  Glen Erickson: Oh
• 6:15
  Robb Angus: yeah.
• 6:15
  Robb Angus: I
• 6:15
  Glen Erickson: think so.
• 6:16
  Glen Erickson: I think it
• 6:16
  Robb Angus: was 2, 2, 3 years ago.
• 6:17
  Robb Angus: Three years ago.
• 6:19
  Robb Angus: Yeah, we did.
• 6:19
  Robb Angus: I forgot.
• 6:20
  Robb Angus: I was gonna say, uh,
• 6:22
  Mike Angus: cause we did two did we did two reunion shows at, is that King?
• 6:26
  Mike Angus: It Yeah.
• 6:27
  Mike Angus: At the Needle?
• 6:28
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 6:28
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 6:28
  Mike Angus: And then we did one in Calgary.
• 6:30
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 6:31
  Glen Erickson: Well, no, we also, so we did the first reunion show in 2017, and I don't, they were called two different things, so I don't remember which one it was the first time, whether it was new.
• 6:42
  Glen Erickson: Oh yeah.
• 6:42
  Glen Erickson: One was a 10 year
• 6:43
  Mike Angus: anniversary from Ontario.
• 6:45
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 6:45
  Mike Angus: And then one was a, yeah, yeah.
• 6:46
  Glen Erickson: So in 2019 we did the 10 year anniversary of Ontario there.
• 6:50
  Glen Erickson: And then we also went out to Cameros, remember and played, I got them in cameras.
• 6:55
  Glen Erickson: And that was January, 2020.
• 6:58
  Glen Erickson: So that's like just before the world shut down.
• 7:00
  Glen Erickson: Oh yeah.
• 7:00
  Glen Erickson: By a couple months.
• 7:02
  Glen Erickson: Um, and then at theater we had plans, the Bailey, the beautiful
• 7:04
  Robb Angus: Bailey Theater,
• 7:06
  Glen Erickson: beautiful Bailey Theater in Camrose.
• 7:07
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 7:08
  Glen Erickson: And the Wonderful Roots, uh, rose City Roots Mm.
• 7:11
  Glen Erickson: Society.
• 7:12
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 7:12
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 7:13
  Glen Erickson: Um, but I remember we were trying to play King Eddie and it things opened back up and I remember we got to play in Ryan Langua open for us.
• 7:21
  Glen Erickson: And I, yes.
• 7:22
  Glen Erickson: My recollection is that's the last, the last gig.
• 7:25
  Glen Erickson: It is, yeah.
• 7:27
  Glen Erickson: Last gig of the Wipo.
• 7:28
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 7:29
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 7:30
  Glen Erickson: Uh, well established that, let me, uh, let me ask the question then, if that's the last time we played together, um, in, as you know, quick, high level tldr R as we can, what's everybody?
• 7:47
  Glen Erickson: What's everybody been up to for the last four years?
• 7:49
  Glen Erickson: I'm gonna start on my left with Stewie d Stefan.
• 7:54
  Glen Erickson: Um, introduce yourself.
• 7:55
  Glen Erickson: What, what do you play in the band?
• 7:57
  Glen Erickson: Stewie.
• 7:59
  Stephane Dagenais: I pretend to play drums in the wheat pool.
• 8:03
  Stephane Dagenais: No, uh, that's what I do.
• 8:05
  Stephane Dagenais: And, um, and I currently, uh, just, uh, ride my bike a lot and, um, you go paper road.
• 8:16
  Alexi: Oh, oh
• 8:17
  Stephane Dagenais: yeah.
• 8:19
  Stephane Dagenais: And, uh, yeah, it's basically, uh, a grind to the finish line.
• 8:26
  Mike Angus: You're in Canmore
• 8:27
  Stephane Dagenais: now, right?
• 8:28
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah,
• 8:28
  Mike Angus: yeah,
• 8:29
  Stephane Dagenais: yeah, yeah.
• 8:29
  Stephane Dagenais: We're in Canmore.
• 8:30
  Stephane Dagenais: Now again, again, again,
• 8:32
  Glen Erickson: you are employed.
• 8:33
  Glen Erickson: You're not a retired indie drummer.
• 8:34
  Glen Erickson: I don't think there is such a thing, so
• 8:36
  Stephane Dagenais: no.
• 8:37
  Stephane Dagenais: Okay.
• 8:37
  Stephane Dagenais: I'm, I'm not a retired indie drummer.
• 8:39
  Stephane Dagenais: I
• 8:40
  Glen Erickson: fucking wish.
• 8:45
  Glen Erickson: Well, that's the sweet life we think down there, that like anytime we've come down, visit it, it's pretty beautiful.
• 8:50
  Glen Erickson: So, yeah,
• 8:51
  Stephane Dagenais: it's great.
• 8:52
  Stephane Dagenais: I hope to just be able to keep doing it.
• 8:56
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 8:56
  Glen Erickson: How about, uh, how about Rabo?
• 8:58
  Glen Erickson: You're next.
• 8:59
  Glen Erickson: What, um, what, what have you been up to for the last four years?
• 9:04
  Mike Angus: Uh, so I went back to school three years ago, uh, graduate school, and I'm finishing my master's, so I'm a therapist now.
• 9:14
  Mike Angus: Well, I'll be a therapist.
• 9:17
  Mike Angus: In two months, three months.
• 9:20
  Mike Angus: Wow.
• 9:21
  Mike Angus: Uh, yeah, which was a, a real kind of left turn for me.
• 9:24
  Mike Angus: Um, so I've been in school, I've been working part-time, um, been playing, I mean, for, since about, I don't know, 20 12, 20 14 was also playing with my other band, the Dre.
• 9:37
  Mike Angus: So, uh, was doing that for a long time, but that's quieter now.
• 9:42
  Mike Angus: So, uh, just kind of focusing on schooling and my career.
• 9:45
  Mike Angus: I moved down to Calgary in May of 22, 23.
• 9:50
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 9:50
  Mike Angus: So I've been in Calgary two and a half years now.
• 9:52
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 9:54
  Mike Angus: But I've never gone to corn more to see Steph.
• 9:59
  Glen Erickson: It's just off.
• 10:00
  Glen Erickson: Or has he come to Calgary
• 10:01
  Stephane Dagenais: to see me?
• 10:02
  Stephane Dagenais: There you go.
• 10:02
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 10:02
  Stephane Dagenais: We're an hour away from each other man.
• 10:04
  Stephane Dagenais: Like, what the hell's going on?
• 10:05
  Stephane Dagenais: What's wrong with us?
• 10:07
  Stephane Dagenais: There you go.
• 10:07
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 10:08
  Stephane Dagenais: We could even get the Petro
• 10:09
  Mike Angus: can at the Cochrane turnoff.
• 10:11
  Mike Angus: Totally.
• 10:12
  Mike Angus: Any day.
• 10:14
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, man, that's the perfect spot.
• 10:16
  Glen Erickson: Do you consider yourself a Cal now?
• 10:18
  Glen Erickson: No, two and a half years.
• 10:19
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 10:20
  Glen Erickson: No,
• 10:22
  Alexi: two and a half years.
• 10:22
  Glen Erickson: Mike had to, I would've asked Mike to throw hands.
• 10:25
  Glen Erickson: Um, yeah, that's the way it goes.
• 10:27
  Mike Angus: Although when I did go back to Edmonton, I'm, which is like every six or eight weeks, our parents are still in short Park.
• 10:34
  Mike Angus: I'm always shocked how much it's changed, like how much new stuff is going up.
• 10:40
  Mike Angus: Which Glen, to you, that probably sounds strange'cause you.
• 10:43
  Mike Angus: You see it every day, but um, yeah, frog and a kettle here.
• 10:46
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 10:47
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 10:47
  Mike Angus: I'm always surprised how different it's getting.
• 10:51
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 10:52
  Mike Angus: Just new buildings, new businesses, new neighborhoods and developments.
• 10:57
  Mike Angus: So
• 10:58
  Stephane Dagenais: Glen now lives in the inner city that makes Yeah.
• 11:01
  Stephane Dagenais: I used to call it the airport parking lot,
• 11:05
  Glen Erickson: now I'm in the slums.
• 11:07
  Glen Erickson: No, you went from Bonnie Dune to the south side and you're right back basically where he started back in, back in the hood of Bonnie Dune, basically kind of, it's kind south
• 11:18
  Stephane Dagenais: Dune.
• 11:18
  Glen Erickson: We,
• 11:18
  Stephane Dagenais: we call it South Bonnie Dune South.
• 11:21
  Stephane Dagenais: Totally.
• 11:23
  Stephane Dagenais: I call it North Airdrie,
• 11:27
  Glen Erickson: north la.
• 11:27
  Glen Erickson: That's awesome.
• 11:28
  Glen Erickson: Both cities have grown so much.
• 11:29
  Glen Erickson: Well, I mean that's, uh, that is a big left turn of a career, um, from slinging tools and, uh, from Milwaukee all those years and Yeah.
• 11:39
  Glen Erickson: And all those other things.
• 11:40
  Glen Erickson: And you had your degree to be a teacher at the start, right?
• 11:43
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 11:44
  Glen Erickson: Like that's you were going in your education degree way back when.
• 11:46
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 11:46
  Glen Erickson: I have my,
• 11:47
  Mike Angus: I have my ED degree from the early two thousands.
• 11:50
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 11:51
  Glen Erickson: And rock and roll of course.
• 11:53
  Glen Erickson: Trampled all over that.
• 11:54
  Glen Erickson: Which of course, thank God.
• 11:56
  Glen Erickson: So as it should.
• 11:57
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 11:57
  Alexi: Yeah,
• 11:58
  Glen Erickson: as it should.
• 11:59
  Glen Erickson: Uh, how about you, Mike?
• 12:02
  Glen Erickson: You had some adventures?
• 12:03
  Mike Angus: Yeah, I spent the last two years, um, training to become a winemaker in Italy, so I got my master's degree in that.
• 12:12
  Mike Angus: Uh, and then this past year I've been living out in British Columbia, working in the wine industry in the Okanagan, so that's just wrapping up now.
• 12:21
  Mike Angus: So it's nice to come back to Calgary, hang out a couch with this guy,
• 12:26
  Glen Erickson: so it's wrapping up, so you gotta you gotta move on to something else.
• 12:32
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 12:32
  Mike Angus: The growing season's over, so everything slows down quite a bit.
• 12:35
  Mike Angus: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:36
  Mike Angus: Uh, it's pretty typical for people to just take the next three months off and then February it kind of ramps back up.
• 12:42
  Mike Angus: So,
• 12:43
  Glen Erickson: good old seasonal work.
• 12:44
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, exactly.
• 12:45
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 12:46
  Glen Erickson: Alright, cool guys.
• 12:47
  Glen Erickson: Um, how about you?
• 12:49
  Glen Erickson: I think maybe people, yeah.
• 12:50
  Glen Erickson: What about, you would know what I've been doing, but, um, I've had a, this
• 12:54
  Mike Angus: podcast has been great.
• 12:55
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 12:56
  Glen Erickson: The podcast is the new thing.
• 12:57
  Glen Erickson: Otherwise, I've always been, um, working in the digital design development space and I've kind of, I, I tricked some people into making me a, a manager, a boss, um, in all of this, which is, uh, actually really nice.
• 13:13
  Glen Erickson: But, um, the podcast has been, the podcast has been a lot of fun.
• 13:18
  Glen Erickson: Um, I felt like I just needed, uh, to do something with everything.
• 13:24
  Glen Erickson: I mean, you guys all know I kind of, I kind of kept dipping my foot in every part of the business besides just wanting to play.
• 13:31
  Glen Erickson: So I was hoping
• 13:31
  Mike Angus: you were gonna say your peak.
• 13:33
  Mike Angus: Oh no, my
• 13:34
  Glen Erickson: beach shit, I missed it.
• 13:36
  Glen Erickson: I missed the prompt.
• 13:37
  Glen Erickson: Um, anyhow, it's, it's, it's a fun way to sort of pull all that stuff back up and sort of just kinda, you know, you know, when you're in a conversation, I often think about this, like in a booth at Next Act is where I picture it.
• 13:50
  Glen Erickson: But, you know, you're in a conversation and you're just, you're really just tossing a, a combination of like experiences or stories with ideas back and forth with somebody that you really like talking to.
• 14:02
  Glen Erickson: And it feels like it's pulling things outta you that you maybe hadn't even thought all the way through, but now you're articulating them.
• 14:09
  Glen Erickson: And I find that kind of thing happen here a lot.
• 14:12
  Glen Erickson: That's what I want it to happen.
• 14:13
  Glen Erickson: So it's been a lot of fun.
• 14:15
  Glen Erickson: Absolutely.
• 14:17
  Mike Angus: Awesome.
• 14:17
  Mike Angus: Um, is Lexi gonna do an epilogue of this and talk about Oh, what she thought was interesting?
• 14:23
  Mike Angus: 100%.
• 14:25
  Glen Erickson: 100%.
• 14:26
  Glen Erickson: She is, yeah.
• 14:27
  Glen Erickson: Um, she, uh, she's really excited.
• 14:31
  Glen Erickson: In fact, we recorded an epilogue last night for.
• 14:34
  Glen Erickson: For a recording, a post fame, as we call it.
• 14:38
  Glen Erickson: And mm-hmm.
• 14:39
  Glen Erickson: Um, she caught me by surprise by trying to Easter egg this whole thing and, and was like, are you so excited?
• 14:47
  Glen Erickson: And then I had a moment where I'm like, what am I?
• 14:49
  Glen Erickson: And then she goes, you know, and then, oh, okay.
• 14:51
  Glen Erickson: And then she's like on a scale of one to 23.
• 14:54
  Glen Erickson: 'cause that's her favorite number.
• 14:56
  Glen Erickson: How excited are you Had to break it to her.
• 14:57
  Mike Angus: You were not excited at all?
• 15:00
  Glen Erickson: No.
• 15:00
  Glen Erickson: I told her I'm at 21 and then she was shocked and then she's like, what would a 23 be?
• 15:04
  Glen Erickson: And I'm like, well, if we were all in the same room together, it would be right a home run 23.
• 15:09
  Glen Erickson: But, but we're not,
• 15:11
  Mike Angus: it'd be like that show where just eat hot wings and see how hot it can get.
• 15:16
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 15:17
  Glen Erickson: Are you not on social media anymore, Mike?
• 15:19
  Glen Erickson: I just posted about da bomb.
• 15:22
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Glen Erickson: Uh, I saw that.
• 15:25
  Glen Erickson: I just don't, I just don't react any Did you And I messaged you about it.
• 15:29
  Glen Erickson: Didn't, did you respond?
• 15:29
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, you did.
• 15:30
  Glen Erickson: You said I should like, make a segment in the podcast about do a hot ones episode on the
• 15:34
  Robb Angus: podcast
• 15:35
  Glen Erickson: because I've got, that's our call.
• 15:37
  Glen Erickson: We ordered, we ordered Calle da bomb, and, um, yeah, I'll tell you right now.
• 15:42
  Glen Erickson: I know he is running already.
• 15:42
  Glen Erickson: Just talking about it, it, it sets your mouth off in zero minus one second.
• 15:47
  Glen Erickson: Like it's, uh.
• 15:49
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, it does.
• 15:50
  Glen Erickson: The number on you anyway, person always
• 15:51
  Mike Angus: have a Pavlovian response to talking about hot food.
• 15:53
  Mike Angus: For sure.
• 15:55
  Mike Angus: That, that is one experience, apparently.
• 15:57
  Mike Angus: Is that what's happening?
• 15:58
  Glen Erickson: Apparently.
• 15:59
  Glen Erickson: Apparently.
• 16:01
  Glen Erickson: Okay guys, so what I wanted, uh, to do is I thought, and I appreciate by the way, all of your willingness to do this.
• 16:08
  Glen Erickson: 'cause everybody who's been listening to every episode is probably tired of me always saying like, yeah, when I was in a band and then, and then trying to be relevant with it.
• 16:16
  Glen Erickson: And I wanted, I thought it would just be an interesting experiment for people who know a band that has broken up, but maybe don't hear them come back a long time later and talk about what the whole experience was.
• 16:31
  Glen Erickson: Even to draw an arc through it, you know, of like, why did you choose to get together?
• 16:36
  Glen Erickson: What did you feel was working?
• 16:38
  Glen Erickson: What was happening during the time?
• 16:40
  Glen Erickson: Why did you choose to end?
• 16:41
  Glen Erickson: And, um, we asked people on social media for questions and we got a handful of questions and I thought I would mostly pepper them in in the places that I think they make sense as we're talking.
• 16:54
  Glen Erickson: Um, and then if I've missed some, we'll just maybe do a rapid fire.
• 16:58
  Glen Erickson: Session, which of course will, will be great for the social media reels.
• 17:02
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, totally.
• 17:02
  Glen Erickson: But, um, if that's all right, I thought maybe we would just go back to the start and talk about how this whole thing came together in, in 2005.
• 17:13
  Glen Erickson: You know how the wheat pool came together?
• 17:15
  Glen Erickson: We, I remember we get asked about the name all the time.
• 17:18
  Glen Erickson: You know, when we'd stop into college radio stations in Ontario and we'd always have to start explaining the name, and then we'd have to start talking about what it's like to be landlocked out in the prairies and, you know, all that stuff.
• 17:32
  Glen Erickson: But, um, I don't know who, who wants to start.
• 17:35
  Glen Erickson: I know Mike and Rob, you guys were the ones, you know, deciding to get this thing rolling.
• 17:41
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Glen Erickson: So how did it all begin?
• 17:42
  Mike Angus: Like, I remember my, my previous band, we had played a handful of shows together.
• 17:47
  Mike Angus: Stephan was the drummer in a band called Turbinado, and the front man decided to move to Toronto, a good friend Chris Stan.
• 17:58
  Mike Angus: And so we played our last show and then a couple of months later I was couch surfing on, at Rob's place around Christmas time of 2004.
• 18:09
  Mike Angus: And we got invited to do like a New Year's Eve show or something like that at O Burns.
• 18:16
  Mike Angus: And, uh, who it.
• 18:20
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 18:21
  Mike Angus: Well, Chris, Steph and I, and I think you are.
• 18:25
  Mike Angus: Oh, really?
• 18:27
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 18:27
  Mike Angus: Because Keep going.
• 18:28
  Mike Angus: I'm sorry, I interrupted.
• 18:29
  Mike Angus: Yeah, so anyway, it's going because, um, and then afterwards, like you and I were kind of talking and you were like, we should just start a band with the songs that we have, because you had a handful of songs.
• 18:41
  Mike Angus: I had a handful of songs.
• 18:43
  Mike Angus: And so we just quickly retooled and then we were like, well, who's gonna play guitar because we have this, um, spot that we really need to explore.
• 18:55
  Mike Angus: And you knew of Glen through Yeah, I was, I was working at O' Burns Irish Pub on White Abbo at that time.
• 19:03
  Mike Angus: Um, and I'd seen Glen play, I think it was two separate times, uh, once with Dionne Bryan, and once with back then a group called Fosters and McGarvey, who we now know as f and m.
• 19:17
  Mike Angus: Yeah, f and m.
• 19:19
  Mike Angus: Um, but, but I, I'd seen Glen play and, uh, I, I loved, I loved Glen's playing.
• 19:24
  Mike Angus: I thought, like, I always kind of felt like we needed like a Neil Young kind of gritty, louder guitar for what I envisioned the band being.
• 19:35
  Mike Angus: And, um, I remember sitting in my bedroom, I was in a.
• 19:43
  Mike Angus: Uh, living in a small dumpy two bedroom apartment just off white with Adam Colligan.
• 19:48
  Mike Angus: And I remember emailing you, Glen and I sent you, I think I had maybe like three or four MP threes of, of Mike and I's songs said, Hey man, like I thought you were great the other night.
• 20:00
  Mike Angus: We're trying to get a pro, like a project going.
• 20:03
  Mike Angus: I think you're the, a great fit.
• 20:05
  Mike Angus: Listen to these tunes and tell me what you think.
• 20:07
  Mike Angus: And uh, yeah, like pretty quickly you got back and you're like, yeah, these are good.
• 20:12
  Mike Angus: I'm interested.
• 20:12
  Mike Angus: Let's get together.
• 20:13
  Mike Angus: So that was kind of, that was the introduction to
• 20:16
  Glen Erickson: Glen.
• 20:17
  Glen Erickson: I remember, I remember coming, I remember coming to the pub after that invitation and you handed me actually a CD of five songs, I think.
• 20:26
  Glen Erickson: Oh, okay.
• 20:26
  Glen Erickson: Um, and I remember going home and listening to them all and then, and you gave'em to me.
• 20:32
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I had agreed and we were like, let's just go jam and see what the fit was.
• 20:38
  Glen Erickson: For sure.
• 20:39
  Glen Erickson: And um, yeah, like if, like based on like what you said there, like the fortuitous part to me, was that like playing with the two people that you said I was playing with?
• 20:53
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I was just, I was just a hired hand for, for people.
• 20:57
  Glen Erickson: Um, although I think Ryan and Becky considered me their guitar player and maybe didn't forgive you guys for.
• 21:03
  Glen Erickson: Quote unquote, stealing me hoing.
• 21:04
  Glen Erickson: Even though Hoing totally, I don't think I ever got paid for a gig with them.
• 21:08
  Glen Erickson: So I don't think it counts as, Dion wasn't excited
• 21:10
  Robb Angus: about it either.
• 21:11
  Robb Angus: Let's just push it
• 21:12
  Glen Erickson: out.
• 21:14
  Glen Erickson: But those two gave me the opportunity.
• 21:17
  Glen Erickson: They, like, they said, like, I got to play whatever I wanted.
• 21:19
  Glen Erickson: And I was in this phase, like you say, Neil Young and all that.
• 21:22
  Glen Erickson: And I wasn't even listening to Neil Young and all that.
• 21:25
  Glen Erickson: I was listening to Wilco, to, to, yeah, to death.
• 21:29
  Glen Erickson: And
• 21:29
  Mike Angus: I
• 21:29
  Robb Angus: remember
• 21:30
  Mike Angus: when you told me that, I thought you were fucking lying.
• 21:33
  Mike Angus: I'm like, what the fucking guy's fucking lying.
• 21:38
  Glen Erickson: But I, I was taken, I was just taken by.
• 21:43
  Glen Erickson: I needed, I was all over the, you know, I just wanted the tube amp to do all the work.
• 21:48
  Glen Erickson: I grew up trying to make all these compressed heavy metal sounds and delays and all this stuff.
• 21:54
  Glen Erickson: And, um, I was going through a phase that now when I look back is pretty fortuitous that, that's what I was exploring a lot, literally at the time that you were just hanging around over.
• 22:05
  Glen Erickson: And to cap that story, by the way, you gave me the five songs, cd, I went home, uh, after our, and I learned a, sorry.
• 22:13
  Glen Erickson: And then we went, and I think our first rehearsal was at your parents' church, which we always got to explore the space and use the sound system there and, uh, explore the santuary space.
• 22:25
  Glen Erickson: Listen, a free rehearsal space is incredible.
• 22:27
  Glen Erickson: What a gift.
• 22:27
  Glen Erickson: So, yeah.
• 22:28
  Glen Erickson: Um.
• 22:29
  Glen Erickson: I'm trying to remember, but I remember the first
• 22:31
  Mike Angus: what, Hey, we tied into that.
• 22:33
  Mike Angus: Go, go ahead.
• 22:33
  Mike Angus: Sorry.
• 22:35
  Mike Angus: You tied it into that.
• 22:36
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Mike Angus: Your parents paid
• 22:37
  Glen Erickson: for that rehearsal space with their Yeah, I get it.
• 22:40
  Glen Erickson: Uh, with their 10%.
• 22:41
  Glen Erickson: Um, so, well, I just went home after the first practice and, and Arlene was like, so what do you think?
• 22:49
  Glen Erickson: And I'm like, well, the songs, I really like the songs and the brothers are really handsome.
• 22:53
  Glen Erickson: So I think this thing has a shot.
• 22:58
  Glen Erickson: I had already figured out the business by that point, but that was kind of my first take.
• 23:03
  Glen Erickson: But I, I always, I don't think I even asked you how, how Steph got in the band for like, probably a year after that.
• 23:09
  Glen Erickson: It took me a long time.
• 23:10
  Glen Erickson: I was like, how did you guys even know each
• 23:12
  Mike Angus: other?
• 23:13
  Glen Erickson: But
• 23:13
  Mike Angus: do you remember what the five songs were?
• 23:15
  Mike Angus: Like?
• 23:15
  Mike Angus: I'm trying to remember right now.
• 23:16
  Mike Angus: It would've definitely been Neil Young, geo Geographic.
• 23:20
  Mike Angus: Sarah
• 23:20
  Glen Erickson: in Canada was on there.
• 23:21
  Glen Erickson: Neil Young was on there.
• 23:22
  Glen Erickson: FBD was on there.
• 23:23
  Glen Erickson: FBD, Tracy Traces a u and I can't remember what the fifth one is.
• 23:30
  Glen Erickson: Emily Car maybe.
• 23:32
  Glen Erickson: Maybe it's Emily Car, because I think that was round from the start.
• 23:34
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, that's
• 23:35
  Robb Angus: half
• 23:35
  Glen Erickson: the first album.
• 23:36
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Glen Erickson: Right out of the gate.
• 23:39
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 23:41
  Glen Erickson: And Stewie, you just got, you just got the invitation from like, you two just always knew when you were gonna do this.
• 23:47
  Glen Erickson: You're like, Steph will just do it for us.
• 23:51
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Stephane Dagenais: I, uh.
• 23:54
  Stephane Dagenais: I kind of assumed I was going along.
• 23:57
  Stephane Dagenais: I think I, I think I invited myself.
• 23:59
  Stephane Dagenais: Actually.
• 24:01
  Stephane Dagenais: You guys guys aren't doing this without me.
• 24:03
  Stephane Dagenais: Are you?
• 24:04
  Stephane Dagenais: Steph?
• 24:05
  Stephane Dagenais: Can you just,
• 24:05
  Mike Angus: I'm so bad with like timelines and stuff like that.
• 24:08
  Mike Angus: C can you remind me, like, when did you and Michelle get married?
• 24:11
  Stephane Dagenais: Uh, 2007.
• 24:12
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh,
• 24:13
  Mike Angus: okay.
• 24:13
  Mike Angus: So it would've been We were together then as it, we were, yeah,
• 24:18
  Stephane Dagenais: we were together.
• 24:18
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Stephane Dagenais: We, we were together for a couple years already.
• 24:20
  Stephane Dagenais: Okay,
• 24:20
  Mike Angus: gotcha.
• 24:21
  Mike Angus: So we, it, but we, we matched.
• 24:23
  Mike Angus: That's the only in two, one?
• 24:24
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Mike Angus: Oh, okay.
• 24:25
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 24:26
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Stephane Dagenais: So while I think, I'm pretty sure that it was in the sort of beginning of Turbinado that we actually jammed at the house in Mill Creek.
• 24:37
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Stephane Dagenais: One time.
• 24:38
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: yeah, yeah.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: In the basement.
• 24:40
  Stephane Dagenais: Like Dan Holden, Chris, you and I, case of grass in basement of that house.
• 24:44
  Mike Angus: Yeah, totally.
• 24:45
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 24:46
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Mike Angus: Michelle made chili.
• 24:48
  Mike Angus: I I was just gonna That's right.
• 24:49
  Mike Angus: I was just gonna say, I remember Mike came home from that rehearsal and he's like, yeah, Michelle brought us down beers.
• 24:55
  Mike Angus: She made us chili.
• 24:56
  Mike Angus: And that's why you were in the band with the wheat pool, Steph, because your wife was like, oh, she brings beer and chili to rehearsal.
• 25:06
  Stephane Dagenais: That makes sense now.
• 25:07
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Stephane Dagenais: It was never about you.
• 25:10
  Glen Erickson: One of my first, one of my first memories because when you get, when you get adopted to a band, especially with guys I don't have a history with.
• 25:17
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 25:17
  Glen Erickson: You, I have to start adapting to a new social environment.
• 25:22
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Glen Erickson: And you guys, one of the first things we did was go back to Steph and Michelle's after a rehearsal, I think was one of the first times I went back to someone's house or did a hangout and all that kind of stuff.
• 25:33
  Glen Erickson: Mm.
• 25:33
  Glen Erickson: Which is pretty great.
• 25:35
  Glen Erickson: Um, Glen, I think it's would've been
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: so young when we first started.
• 25:39
  Robb Angus: We only had one kid when we started.
• 25:42
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Glen Erickson: Lexi was in the womb when we started.
• 25:45
  Glen Erickson: Like, we started in March of 2005 and Lexi was born in, in August, so.
• 25:51
  Glen Erickson: Wow.
• 25:51
  Glen Erickson: Um, so yeah, I only had one kid.
• 25:54
  Glen Erickson: So Lexi's younger than the, she's 20 now in the wee pool.
• 25:57
  Mike Angus: So when, that's crazy.
• 25:59
  Mike Angus: When your boy was born, were you like, this kid has no podcast potential.
• 26:02
  Mike Angus: We need to have another one so I could have a co-host.
• 26:05
  Mike Angus: Is that, was that the, or
• 26:07
  Robb Angus: is he too
• 26:08
  Glen Erickson: cool?
• 26:08
  Glen Erickson: I kind of, the first one was supposed to be a hockey player and the second one was supposed to be an artist, so, um, you're doing well.
• 26:15
  Glen Erickson: Don't know how that plan's going.
• 26:17
  Glen Erickson: Not so great, but, uh, that's okay.
• 26:19
  Glen Erickson: I like what I have.
• 26:20
  Glen Erickson: I'm all right with it.
• 26:21
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Mike Angus: They're super.
• 26:22
  Mike Angus: That makes you sound like you're estranged, that you and your children are estranged.
• 26:25
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Glen Erickson: Which is not the case at all.
• 26:29
  Glen Erickson: Um, I think a lot of people make a lot of assumptions about a band that has brothers in it, and not just the cliche Oasis e.
• 26:38
  Glen Erickson: Ones, um, but you guys hadn't played in any band prior.
• 26:44
  Glen Erickson: Well played in to doing that together.
• 26:46
  Mike Angus: We, we grew up going to church and we played, um, in like the worship group at church.
• 26:53
  Mike Angus: So I played the drums and Mike played the bass, um, Sunday mornings.
• 26:59
  Mike Angus: Uh, beyond that, we didn't really, I
• 27:02
  Robb Angus: mean,
• 27:02
  Mike Angus: we jammed together, which may sound weird, but I think a lot of people would be surprised to find out how many musicians actually get their start in Oh yeah.
• 27:09
  Mike Angus: What a did, what a great breeding
• 27:11
  Glen Erickson: ground.
• 27:11
  Mike Angus: Right,
• 27:12
  Glen Erickson: right.
• 27:13
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, I totally did.
• 27:14
  Glen Erickson: I,
• 27:14
  Mike Angus: if I had to guess, I would say Justin Vernon did.
• 27:17
  Mike Angus: Uh, I get the feeling Dan Mangan did, but I can't be sure.
• 27:21
  Mike Angus: I don't, his mom's
• 27:22
  Glen Erickson: an Anglican priest.
• 27:23
  Glen Erickson: He grew up in the church.
• 27:24
  Glen Erickson: I, I, there you go.
• 27:25
  Glen Erickson: So the vibe is, there you go.
• 27:26
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, totally.
• 27:27
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah, so it's a great musical, I think Anglican or
• 27:31
  Glen Erickson: United, I might have said that wrong.
• 27:33
  Glen Erickson: I'll do a fact check.
• 27:33
  Glen Erickson: That makes, that makes sense.
• 27:34
  Glen Erickson: Okay,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: great.
• 27:36
  Glen Erickson: No, I agree.
• 27:37
  Glen Erickson: I mean, ask Jamie to check it for you.
• 27:39
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, I'll do it.
• 27:40
  Glen Erickson: I mean, if you watch, like, I, it's a pretty strong cliche on like the big name American Idols, right?
• 27:47
  Glen Erickson: Like, how many of them show up and they all, like, they have their little thing underneath and it's like a worship leader.
• 27:52
  Glen Erickson: It's like 50% of them have worship leader in the states, uh, underneath their, their tag when they're trying out singing competitions.
• 27:58
  Glen Erickson: It's a great
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: musical education.
• 28:00
  Mike Angus: Because you're doing it every week.
• 28:01
  Mike Angus: You're showing up on time, you're rehearsing, you're every week sober.
• 28:05
  Mike Angus: Learning.
• 28:05
  Mike Angus: You're sober.
• 28:06
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Mike Angus: You're learning how
• 28:07
  to
• 28:07
  Mike Angus: harmonize,
• 28:08
  Glen Erickson: you're learning how to play with, and honestly, probably one of my favorite things,'cause I worked, you guys know I worked with teenagers when I was in the church too, and getting to like, have kids who are in that sort of embryonic stage of like playing in a band with other people rather than just in their bedroom or basement and bringing'em out of that and sort of, and then watching them go off and form bands and, and do all that kind of stuff was probably one of the most fun things I got to do through that phase.
• 28:36
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Glen Erickson: Um, yeah.
• 28:38
  Glen Erickson: But um, so you guys got to play together and then it's like, like here's the other thing about our band is we didn't form like the, the typical like in your early twenties or mid twenties?
• 28:51
  Glen Erickson: No, um, I was mid thirties and, and I think I got, I'm a, am I older than you Stefan, by a few months?
• 29:00
  Glen Erickson: Is that the way it goes or is it the other way around?
• 29:02
  Stephane Dagenais: No, you're officially bandaid the oldest
• 29:04
  Glen Erickson: guy.
• 29:05
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 29:05
  Glen Erickson: I'm officially bandaid.
• 29:06
  Glen Erickson: Even though you drove the van way more than me and complained about anybody else in the speed they were going when they drove.
• 29:13
  Glen Erickson: So, and put
• 29:14
  Stephane Dagenais: Greg Rose in his place at least once.
• 29:18
  Glen Erickson: That's still one of my
• 29:19
  Stephane Dagenais: favorite
• 29:19
  Glen Erickson: stories.
• 29:21
  Glen Erickson: That is somebody tell the Greg Rose story really quick on the road.
• 29:26
  Mike Angus: So yeah, this needs a little setting up, but, uh.
• 29:30
  Mike Angus: When we were on tour, it didn't matter where we were, it was almost impossible for us to drive past a Tim Horton's without stopping the van.
• 29:39
  Mike Angus: Not, which infuriated me.
• 29:41
  Mike Angus: 'cause I never drank coffee back then.
• 29:43
  Mike Angus: But Mike and Steph drank a lot of coffee.
• 29:45
  Mike Angus: So we were trying to get out of Vancouver to get, or we were trying to get a Yeah.
• 29:49
  Mike Angus: Out of Vancouver to get to the ferry terminal, right?
• 29:52
  Mike Angus: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:52
  Mike Angus: Which is always stressful.
• 29:53
  Mike Angus: 'cause if you miss it then you're waiting and waiting and waiting.
• 29:56
  Mike Angus: Greg Rose, a dear friend of all of ours, happened to be on tour with us'cause he was visiting family out in VC and uh, in typical band fashion, we were running late to get to the ferry.
• 30:07
  Mike Angus: And like Stefan hadn't had his morning coffee, which is a big part of his, if you know Stefan at all.
• 30:13
  Mike Angus: That's the only part of his day that he cares about.
• 30:16
  Mike Angus: And he slept on the floor in the hotel and Greg slept on the bed.
• 30:20
  Mike Angus: Oh yeah,
• 30:21
  Alexi: that's right.
• 30:21
  Alexi: Oh, what?
• 30:22
  Alexi: Oh really?
• 30:22
  Mike Angus: I don't remember that.
• 30:23
  Mike Angus: Remember, I remember because Steph was smart enough to pack, like his hiking, camping mat, like those thin little like styrofoam things that people can, how did that happen is a good idea to sleep on.
• 30:35
  Mike Angus: Anyway, he brought it and so he's like, no problem guys.
• 30:37
  Mike Angus: Rosie, you sleep in the bed.
• 30:39
  Mike Angus: I don't mind sleeping on the floor.
• 30:41
  Mike Angus: Hilarious camping mat.
• 30:42
  Mike Angus: We were, we were late to get to the ferry.
• 30:44
  Mike Angus: Slept horribly, no coffee first thing in the morning.
• 30:48
  Mike Angus: Steph had somehow made a, a wrong turn.
• 30:51
  Mike Angus: This was before iPhones and GPS and Greg in the back of the.
• 30:57
  Mike Angus: Fan van shouted something to the effect of Magellan.
• 31:01
  Mike Angus: Do you like, do you think you have it figured out?
• 31:03
  Mike Angus: Like the freeloader on tour being the Yuckiest guy and, uh, I don't think I've seen more steam come out of Stefan's ears in my life.
• 31:13
  Mike Angus: And there was a tirade that came past me to the back of the van towards Greg.
• 31:21
  Mike Angus: And then it was, I feel like it was pretty quiet
• 31:24
  Stephane Dagenais: the rest
• 31:24
  Mike Angus: of the drive until we got he, he was
• 31:26
  Stephane Dagenais: pouting for a while.
• 31:27
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah, he was definitely pouting for a while.
• 31:29
  Stephane Dagenais: It was like, did he, I guess that worked,
• 31:31
  Glen Erickson: did he stay with us all the way to Penticton?
• 31:34
  Glen Erickson: Because Penticton in that came after Victoria, I think on that tour.
• 31:38
  Glen Erickson: He came, he
• 31:38
  Mike Angus: came all the way back to Calgary with us.
• 31:40
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 31:40
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Glen Erickson: Well, I mean, what a gr Yeah, that just speaks to the grace of Stefan to, uh, not kill him and allow him to stay in that van a number of more days, push him off Ferry bus, the tour.
• 31:54
  Glen Erickson: But I mean, Rosie was a pretty funny, outspoken guy, but that was, uh, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't pick the right moment there, that's for sure.
• 32:02
  Robb Angus: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Glen Erickson: I mean, that's a, you gotta
• 32:04
  Mike Angus: read the room.
• 32:04
  Mike Angus: That's a pretty good element to, I think a lot of people would be interested to know about sort of the behind the scenes of touring bands is that it's good to have someone who's not in the band, therefore either give relief or a buffer or to break up sort of.
• 32:20
  Mike Angus: 'cause when there's.
• 32:22
  Mike Angus: Three or four people in a band, you can get in these stalemate quite quickly.
• 32:26
  Mike Angus: But stupid little things like where are we gonna eat?
• 32:30
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Alexi: You know,
• 32:31
  Mike Angus: and those little day to day things that kind of like add up over weeks when you're on tour.
• 32:36
  Mike Angus: So to have someone who's as funny and wonderful as Greg, yeah.
• 32:40
  Mike Angus: Easy going.
• 32:40
  Mike Angus: It's just a great guy to have just sort of like drop that ace into the van just to keep things light, because when four guys are stinking and farting for weeks at a time and in a van and dealing with business and missing their families and missing first birthdays and first hockey games and stuff like that.
• 32:56
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 32:56
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah, it's good to have like a, a a a, a friend who can just keep it light.
• 33:04
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 33:04
  Mike Angus: And, uh, yeah, I, all the years that we were together, I, I legitimately can't think of any time that any of us were fighting.
• 33:12
  Mike Angus: There was times where I can think of a few times where Mike and I butted heads, but like, the two times I can think of it like that was in the studio.
• 33:19
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Mike Angus: And that's not to say, that's not to say we didn't have differences.
• 33:23
  Mike Angus: That probably just means we just pushed it all the way down and then poured alcohol over top of it when we were angry.
• 33:28
  Mike Angus: But I don't remember us ever having fights.
• 33:33
  Mike Angus: Ever.
• 33:34
  Stephane Dagenais: No, no.
• 33:34
  Stephane Dagenais: It was usually, uh, it was usually pretty like a, a group of good friends on a road trip.
• 33:43
  Stephane Dagenais: That's what it felt like.
• 33:45
  Alexi: Hmm.
• 33:45
  Stephane Dagenais: And, and not, you know, being shitty with each other.
• 33:49
  Stephane Dagenais: I think sometimes people just.
• 33:51
  Stephane Dagenais: When they get fed up, they start to purposely get shitty,
• 33:54
  Alexi: right?
• 33:55
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 33:56
  Stephane Dagenais: They're like, okay.
• 33:57
  Stephane Dagenais: Totally.
• 33:57
  Stephane Dagenais: I just, I can't get away from this, but I'm gonna make your life as miserable as you're making mine.
• 34:03
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Mike Angus: Here's an idea.
• 34:04
  Mike Angus: Let's put four four primadonnas in a van for days at a time.
• 34:09
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 34:09
  Mike Angus: And then starve them and not pay them enough.
• 34:11
  Mike Angus: And then, uh,
• 34:13
  Alexi: them sleep on floors and stuff.
• 34:14
  Alexi: Like, I mean, it's
• 34:14
  Glen Erickson: not to say there weren't things we didn't like.
• 34:17
  Glen Erickson: I know there were things I didn't like that were going on, or, you know what I mean?
• 34:22
  Glen Erickson: Or I, I'm not, don't worry, I'm not thinking of anything specific, but I, I just thinking about something specific, I wanna tell a specific story.
• 34:29
  Glen Erickson: Right now it feels like
• 34:30
  Robb Angus: things about several things, very specific
• 34:32
  Glen Erickson: Steph's line.
• 34:33
  Glen Erickson: There are, there are just times that you're like, ah, whatever.
• 34:37
  Glen Erickson: But, you know, like anything, because I, I was married, so I'd go home and then my wife would say like, how did it go?
• 34:46
  Glen Erickson: Or what, blah, blah, blah.
• 34:47
  Glen Erickson: And then you'd start maybe telling some stories, and then they're only seeing your side of the coin and, and mm-hmm.
• 34:53
  Glen Erickson: And she's asking like, well, why don't you?
• 34:55
  Glen Erickson: And then for me, the answer was always like, ah, you know what I mean?
• 34:58
  Glen Erickson: Like, this is what you do in a band.
• 35:00
  Glen Erickson: It's like, none of it seemed worth making a big deal about I don't need to rock the boat.
• 35:06
  Glen Erickson: Like we all were on the same page all the time on what we were doing and what we were there for.
• 35:12
  Glen Erickson: Like, that never seemed to waver.
• 35:16
  Glen Erickson: Nothing.
• 35:16
  Glen Erickson: Nothing felt.
• 35:18
  Glen Erickson: Important enough to disrupt that kind of a balance that I thought would be had.
• 35:22
  Glen Erickson: Yeah,
• 35:23
  Mike Angus: that's so true.
• 35:24
  Mike Angus: And I mean, I, I don't mind saying, like, looking back, there's certainly things I would've done differently.
• 35:31
  Mike Angus: I mean, it was like a total maturity thing for me.
• 35:34
  Mike Angus: Like truth of the matter, I was drinking for two back then, uh, which was fun for me, but maybe not so fun for you guys.
• 35:45
  Mike Angus: And like that was of the issues we probably ever had.
• 35:50
  Mike Angus: That was probably 50% of the time.
• 35:52
  Mike Angus: That was probably it.
• 35:55
  Glen Erickson: Uh,
• 35:55
  Mike Angus: so I do have, if I can say I have regret over that,
• 35:58
  Glen Erickson: gonna say, I'm gonna say, because I don't know if this is true, and I guess this is what a instance of a live podcast could do.
• 36:05
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 36:06
  Glen Erickson: My interpretation was that you were, you were doing things in your own time and nobody else could really sort of hurry you up or slow you down or make you do what you wanted to do.
• 36:17
  Glen Erickson: And I guess looking back, I wonder if that's related to what you're saying.
• 36:21
  Glen Erickson: 'cause everything I know about you now isn't that guy, do you know what I mean?
• 36:26
  Glen Erickson: Like, you're extremely organized or articulate, you like to be prepared, you do all this kind of stuff.
• 36:31
  Glen Erickson: And the early personality you had was for sure.
• 36:35
  Glen Erickson: Not the same.
• 36:36
  Glen Erickson: And I never, ever actually connected the dots to drinking.
• 36:39
  Glen Erickson: I did, I do remember having to go try and drag you out of a couple bars so that we could go and do a sound check somewhere, uh, a couple times.
• 36:47
  Glen Erickson: But
• 36:48
  Robb Angus: I'm still mad
• 36:48
  Glen Erickson: about that.
• 36:49
  Glen Erickson: But, um, it's all good.
• 36:52
  Glen Erickson: You join a Rock Man for a reason.
• 36:55
  Glen Erickson: I mean,
• 36:57
  Robb Angus: Fairfax, is that what it was called?
• 37:00
  Mike Angus: Oh my God, Ottawa.
• 37:02
  Mike Angus: I don't understand the reference.
• 37:03
  Mike Angus: I don't even get the reference.
• 37:04
  Mike Angus: Oh my God,
• 37:06
  Glen Erickson: you guys okay.
• 37:07
  Glen Erickson: If we're gonna talk about band conflict, you guys have never shit on me more than at breakfast the next day.
• 37:13
  Glen Erickson: I think that was another one of my classic blow up.
• 37:15
  Glen Erickson: It was, it was that.
• 37:16
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 37:17
  Glen Erickson: A hundred percent.
• 37:17
  Glen Erickson: That's the second time I've seen stuff.
• 37:18
  Glen Erickson: What was it?
• 37:18
  Glen Erickson: I loved playing.
• 37:20
  Glen Erickson: That was a bad one.
• 37:20
  Glen Erickson: He was Breathe Beeble Rocks, whatever that was called.
• 37:25
  Glen Erickson: That classic old bar in Ottawa.
• 37:27
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Stephane Dagenais: Zad.
• 37:28
  Stephane Dagenais: Pebble Rocks.
• 37:29
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: Pods, beeble Rocks rolls off the tongue beautifully.
• 37:33
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 37:33
  Glen Erickson: I loved playing it.
• 37:34
  Glen Erickson: The owner was great.
• 37:35
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 37:35
  Glen Erickson: Right next door to a strip called Facts.
• 37:39
  Glen Erickson: It was spelt fax like the machine.
• 37:41
  Glen Erickson: Um, apparently they have a really good brunch on Sunday mornings after we played on a Saturday, but when we featured out on content
• 37:49
  Robb Angus: during the weekend,
• 37:50
  Glen Erickson: so, so everybody understands what the problem was is like we played right till we were hung out there, right till closing.
• 37:56
  Glen Erickson: So it's like 2:00 AM typical and I, but as a band at the music band, this is another thing people would love to know.
• 38:03
  Glen Erickson: You show up at five o'clock to load in and do sound check, and then so you get great parking before all the nightlife starts to happen.
• 38:12
  Glen Erickson: So I was parked right in front of the venue, right.
• 38:15
  Glen Erickson: And, and at 2:00 AM we spill out and there was lights and the cop cars were there and they had their neon, some guy's head, and it was a huge dude on our van.
• 38:26
  Glen Erickson: Like his knee was on the guy's head, on the van.
• 38:29
  Glen Erickson: That's a, that's an exaggeration.
• 38:30
  Glen Erickson: I must've still been in the bar.
• 38:31
  Glen Erickson: I don't remember this.
• 38:32
  Glen Erickson: He was just pinning him down.
• 38:34
  Glen Erickson: And I took pictures and I put him on social media.
• 38:37
  Glen Erickson: And this was the early days of social media too.
• 38:41
  Glen Erickson: This is probably 2010.
• 38:43
  Glen Erickson: And, um, all of your partners saw that, and all they saw was Fairfax.
• 38:49
  Glen Erickson: They didn't see, they didn't see anything else.
• 38:51
  Glen Erickson: The gentleman's club beside the club we were playing.
• 38:53
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 38:53
  Glen Erickson: Except the gentleman's club, beside the place we were playing.
• 38:56
  Glen Erickson: And apparently, uh, you all heard about it.
• 38:59
  Glen Erickson: So the next morning at breakfast, I, I definitely heard about it.
• 39:04
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Glen Erickson: But it's what it is.
• 39:07
  Glen Erickson: I would never go in a place
• 39:08
  Stephane Dagenais: like that.
• 39:09
  Stephane Dagenais: I would never, um, so we talked about, that's a lesson in framing a shot, my friend.
• 39:14
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh yeah.
• 39:15
  Stephane Dagenais: This is a lesson in framing a shot.
• 39:18
  Stephane Dagenais: So
• 39:18
  Alexi: true.
• 39:20
  Stephane Dagenais: Um, we
• 39:21
  Robb Angus: talked, we called so later generations could run.
• 39:24
  Robb Angus: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:25
  Glen Erickson: That's exactly what it is.
• 39:26
  Glen Erickson: And um, yeah.
• 39:28
  Glen Erickson: Um.
• 39:29
  Glen Erickson: Did we answer the question?
• 39:30
  Glen Erickson: We talked about the songs that we started with, which were all part of our first record, um, right.
• 39:35
  Glen Erickson: Township.
• 39:36
  Glen Erickson: And, uh, we ended up, of course filling out a whole record for that one.
• 39:41
  Glen Erickson: And we released that two years into our two plus years into our existence.
• 39:46
  Glen Erickson: 2007, fall of 2007.
• 39:50
  Glen Erickson: Um, and then as far as like our musical development, like, I think one thing I'd love to hear you guys talk about is, I mean, that's a typical path for any band, whether you join in your twenties or not, is that you kind of show up with a few of your greatest hits that you've had around for a while and you start a new band.
• 40:10
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Alexi: So that
• 40:10
  Glen Erickson: you have some material coming in and that Yeah.
• 40:14
  Glen Erickson: That material really drove that first record, which got a lot of good response, I thought.
• 40:19
  Glen Erickson: Um, but then we kind of had to move on to a second record.
• 40:25
  Glen Erickson: And I'm wondering, in your recollection, what was the developing of that first record?
• 40:32
  Glen Erickson: Like, specifically like you guys had all these songs that you worked on.
• 40:37
  Glen Erickson: We decided, it seemed like we decided to stick with this pattern of like, you guys would split equal songs pretty much.
• 40:45
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 40:46
  Glen Erickson: Like other than geographic center of Canada, which, uh, Mike wrote, but Rob sings on the wee pool.
• 40:51
  Glen Erickson: The songwriter was the singer out of the two of you.
• 40:54
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 40:54
  Glen Erickson: Um.
• 40:55
  Glen Erickson: I'm wondering for you guys how the writing of that, in your recollection, what did the writing of the rest of that record feel like?
• 41:02
  Glen Erickson: Did it feel like it was really easy After we got together
• 41:08
  Mike Angus: on the first album?
• 41:10
  Mike Angus: I'm trying to think about how many songs we needed to write for.
• 41:13
  Mike Angus: The first album, phone book for me was definitely one I wrote for the album, uh, penny album.
• 41:21
  Mike Angus: Uh, yeah.
• 41:22
  Mike Angus: Penny album wrote, you wrote I think for me, wait,
• 41:26
  Robb Angus: that's
• 41:26
  Mike Angus: the second album.
• 41:27
  Robb Angus: No,
• 41:28
  Glen Erickson: yeah, that's on Hunter Ontario.
• 41:29
  Glen Erickson: That's Hunt Harry.
• 41:30
  Glen Erickson: But
• 41:30
  Mike Angus: yeah, like I really, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:38
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah, like there wasn't too much writing to do.
• 41:41
  Mike Angus: Like when we got together as a, as the four of us, there wasn't tons of writing to do.
• 41:46
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah.
• 41:47
  Mike Angus: Probably only two or three songs.
• 41:48
  Mike Angus: I bet.
• 41:49
  Mike Angus: So, I mean, Ontario was totally different story.
• 41:54
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah.
• 41:56
  Mike Angus: But I remember like Chris Winters, great friend of ours, uh, and one of the producers on both those albums, I remember him kind of referring to the first album sort of as like the Angus Brothers greatest Hits.
• 42:07
  Mike Angus: And that, I mean, that was pretty accurate.
• 42:09
  Mike Angus: We had a handful of songs that we'd written and we just kind of like plucked the ones that we thought were the, the best tunes.
• 42:16
  Mike Angus: We already had them.
• 42:18
  Mike Angus: Um.
• 42:19
  Mike Angus: You know,'cause we'd both been kind of writing for, I don't know, maybe five or seven years alone in our bedrooms.
• 42:25
  Mike Angus: And
• 42:25
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 42:26
  Mike Angus: And Mike and I also never wrote together, like you guys know, we would bring almost completed songs to rehearsal.
• 42:33
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:34
  Mike Angus: And I was thinking about that kind of,'cause I re-listened to both albums this week just in an anticipation of us recording this.
• 42:41
  Mike Angus: And there was only a couple of spots, like in, um, a couple of my songs where I asked Mike, I said, Hey, will you write the lyrics in the bridge for this?
• 42:52
  Mike Angus: Or will you write like the third verse for this?
• 42:56
  Mike Angus: But outside of that, like, we never even had conversations saying, Hey, do you wanna write together?
• 43:02
  Mike Angus: Hey, what do you think about co-writing?
• 43:05
  Mike Angus: And it, I don't, it wasn't like, to me it wasn't competitive or it just was just kinda the way we did it.
• 43:10
  Mike Angus: It's, it's funny too because like now that you say that, I can still sit back and listen to these songs and I'll text Rob and be like, phone book is still so good.
• 43:21
  Mike Angus: Like, without having any investment in the songwriting, I, I've always been like almost a spectator of it.
• 43:27
  Mike Angus: Even though I'm participating in the performance of it, I can always step back.
• 43:31
  Mike Angus: It's easy for me to step back.
• 43:33
  Mike Angus: And it's just hard to do when you're a musician where you've written songs and you've recorded them because it's, it's almost like you'll only hear the mistakes for like.
• 43:40
  Mike Angus: A, a little while you're too close to the project, right?
• 43:43
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 43:43
  Mike Angus: But then, uh, I think with, because we had that distance and that almost sterility between our songwriting overlap, I can still appreciate Rob's songs immediately as like, uh, a fan, you know, who just gets to play bass guitar along with them, which is so great.
• 44:01
  Mike Angus: Oh, that's nice.
• 44:02
  Mike Angus: It's so nice to not, because your welcome.
• 44:04
  Mike Angus: There's my own songs where you're like, ah, I wish I'd done this differently and I wish this, then we can sing.
• 44:09
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Mike Angus: Um, and it just strikes me now that it's, it's nice that we don't, we that overlap.
• 44:15
  Mike Angus: That's kind of one of the blessings.
• 44:16
  Mike Angus: There's this
• 44:17
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Mike Angus: Renewal sound.
• 44:19
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 44:20
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 44:20
  Mike Angus: And to answer your first question, I mean, like, um, township was, we had played these songs for two years as like these sprawling long instrumental driven road road trip songs.
• 44:35
  Mike Angus: That's kind of how we were imagining this record as being and going into the studio.
• 44:39
  Mike Angus: I remember James Murdoch and Chris Winters being like, we have to make these more concise just for the studio.
• 44:45
  Mike Angus: You guys can play them as long as you want live, if that's your thing.
• 44:49
  Mike Angus: The demo, which, which was great.
• 44:51
  Mike Angus: The demo of Neil Young that I gave them was over seven minutes long.
• 44:55
  Mike Angus: Like, yeah, totally absurd.
• 44:57
  Mike Angus: I believe it.
• 44:58
  Mike Angus: So having to like chip away at it and edit that was, I, I remember that from the, from the township recording sessions.
• 45:04
  Mike Angus: I remember that being one of the hardest things for us.
• 45:07
  Mike Angus: I think we had to do Emily Carr.
• 45:10
  Mike Angus: Over two days.
• 45:11
  Mike Angus: Like we had to leave it alone and come back to it because we were all getting so frustrated with it.
• 45:17
  Mike Angus: And that's the first song we ever played together.
• 45:20
  Mike Angus: We played it more than any other song.
• 45:22
  Mike Angus: And it's funny to like, have you think we just bang it off in the studio?
• 45:25
  Mike Angus: We played it a thousand times.
• 45:26
  Mike Angus: And they're like, no.
• 45:26
  Mike Angus: We have to make it more concise.
• 45:28
  Mike Angus: And suddenly it changes.
• 45:30
  Mike Angus: And those are good decisions to make for the studio.
• 45:33
  Mike Angus: And then going into Ontario, I think we knew how to be a more concise band with more, uh, readily accessible song.
• 45:43
  Mike Angus: Yeah, I guess we have better instinct's.
• 45:45
  Mike Angus: A good point.
• 45:45
  Mike Angus: Let's get to the heart of the song here.
• 45:48
  Glen Erickson: I think like for me, I remember like,'cause I remember some of the edits while you're recording.
• 45:54
  Glen Erickson: Not after in the studio for township that I didn't like, I didn't like the edits on penal.
• 46:01
  Glen Erickson: Um mm-hmm.
• 46:02
  Glen Erickson: Like,'cause they truncated off, they faded out that, that ending.
• 46:05
  Glen Erickson: Um, I didn't like the edits on Evergreen where they just sort of like, we just cut some little pieces short.
• 46:14
  Glen Erickson: Emily Carr was kind of fun because we were sort of, we'd do a, a section of four, but then the next time we do only do a section of two.
• 46:21
  Glen Erickson: And it felt clever.
• 46:22
  Glen Erickson: It was kind of nice to be while we're trying to record.
• 46:23
  Glen Erickson: It's nice to be clever, make people do math.
• 46:26
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Glen Erickson: But, um, I didn't, it's funny that I didn't love those edits, but I agree with you that I carried.
• 46:33
  Glen Erickson: I carried that muscle memory into recording Ontario about how do you make a song a, a more gelled, compact version of a palatable tune for other people, not for us, right?
• 46:45
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 46:46
  Glen Erickson: Um, yeah.
• 46:47
  Mike Angus: And for you to say you didn't care for it, and for me to say, I brought in a seven minute demo is the exact reason you need a producer.
• 46:54
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Mike Angus: You need someone who's not in the project, who didn't write the songs, who hasn't heard these songs, you know, 185 times.
• 47:02
  Mike Angus: And so they're like imprinted on your heart.
• 47:05
  Mike Angus: And their goal was to narrow it so that we would succeed as best as we could.
• 47:10
  Mike Angus: And I remember choices they made at the time I didn't like, and I had to, I remember the, the process of that first album, realizing the value of a producer, why we brought them in for their outside perspective.
• 47:27
  Mike Angus: And we brought them in for their experience, and they brought, we brought them in for the knowledge.
• 47:31
  Mike Angus: And, um, you know, nobody wants to hear a seven minute version of any song I've ever written in my life.
• 47:38
  Mike Angus: So thank God they were there.
• 47:40
  Mike Angus: And, um, seven minutes, you know, in, in re-listening to some of the songs this week, there's some edits and changes in the recordings that we never played them that way ever again.
• 47:51
  Mike Angus: Ever again.
• 47:52
  Mike Angus: Agreed.
• 47:52
  Mike Angus: Outside of the studio.
• 47:53
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Mike Angus: So live, we did do it how we wanted to do it.
• 47:56
  Mike Angus: Maybe it wasn't the original way, but, um, I, I really appreciate.
• 48:00
  Mike Angus: W you know, Chris and James' vision and knowledge and experience editing.
• 48:04
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 48:05
  Mike Angus: And, and those two went to the wall for us with all of their contacts, their industry, you know, pushing the band and, and, and, you know, helping us get our foot in the door.
• 48:14
  Mike Angus: And, uh, yeah.
• 48:15
  Mike Angus: So for me,'cause I'd never recorded before.
• 48:17
  Mike Angus: I'd been in band before, but I'd never recorded before that first album.
• 48:20
  Mike Angus: I'd done a lot of four track stuff, like in my bedroom or four track stuff with other previous bands, but just demo type of stuff.
• 48:27
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Mike Angus: So, um, yeah, for me that was totally necessary.
• 48:32
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Glen Erickson: We chose to use the same combo to go record Ontario and now that's a whole new set of songs.
• 48:41
  Glen Erickson: So, I guess one of my curiosities is, if you guys can remember back,'cause I can remember pretty distinctly going into the Hon Ontario sessions, what you were feeling about that, and if it was very, if it was distinctly different then than the, uh, the previous recording session.
• 49:00
  Mike Angus: Oh, for me it was like, I'd never been in a situation where I needed to write for a timeline or a purpose or a deadline.
• 49:07
  Mike Angus: Mm-hmm.
• 49:09
  Mike Angus: Because my, I have the most unfortunate songwriting process, which is start a song, get excited about a song, work on a song for about a week.
• 49:22
  Mike Angus: Realize I hate the song.
• 49:24
  Mike Angus: Put the song away for six to eight months, then go back through all the back catalog and be like, oh, that's actually not awful.
• 49:33
  Mike Angus: Okay, there's gotta be some.
• 49:33
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Mike Angus: Then here's somewhere.
• 49:35
  Mike Angus: And that was, that's always kind of been my, you know, going through voice memos or going through voice recordings or, you know, lyrics and stuff.
• 49:43
  Mike Angus: And so for me, the second album was very hard.
• 49:48
  Glen Erickson: Um, well, like, people would maybe not know, because you already referenced that.
• 49:54
  Glen Erickson: You already referenced that you, uh, would write complete songs and bring'em to the band pretty much.
• 50:00
  Glen Erickson: Mm, mm-hmm.
• 50:00
  Glen Erickson: And I think people might not realize that.
• 50:03
  Glen Erickson: Like, you hear a lot of stories about bands and they're like, yeah, you hear them talking pre-release to some radio guy and they're like, yeah, we, I, we had like 30 songs demoed for this, and we had to narrow it down to 10 or some stupid thing.
• 50:16
  Glen Erickson: That was never the We pool.
• 50:17
  Glen Erickson: We literally, we rehearsed the songs that we played and we kept, and that was pretty much it.
• 50:23
  Glen Erickson: I can't even think of a song that we might have.
• 50:25
  Mike Angus: There was one tune of mine from the first album we didn't do, but we recorded it.
• 50:31
  Mike Angus: Um, but we really struggled.
• 50:32
  Mike Angus: We really, really had a hard time with it.
• 50:36
  Alexi: Mm.
• 50:37
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Mike Angus: I remember, I mean, speaking of the second round of songwriting, I remember telling somebody this, maybe you guys are in an interview where it was like.
• 50:48
  Mike Angus: With the songs for Song Ontario, I can have 70% of the song done.
• 50:53
  Mike Angus: And I trust bringing the songs to you guys that will finish up whatever's left.
• 50:59
  Mike Angus: Whether it's structure, maybe we need to write another verse here.
• 51:02
  Mike Angus: Maybe this needs a bridge.
• 51:04
  Mike Angus: Maybe we need to move these spots or these parts of the song around.
• 51:07
  Mike Angus: So I think for me, I remember it was, I don't know if I had a clear final idea, and you guys were always so great at listening to, like, I would come up with a template example for this is how I want this song to sound.
• 51:22
  Mike Angus: You know, whether it sounds like this song from Wilco's Mermaid Avenue, for example.
• 51:27
  Mike Angus: I want to have that feel to it, um, as an example.
• 51:30
  Mike Angus: And it would be 70% there.
• 51:33
  Mike Angus: And by the end of, you know, a couple of practices, we would have it.
• 51:36
  Mike Angus: So I, I feel like my songs was so much Well that was the difference.
• 51:41
  Mike Angus: Better coming out of the gate on that record than yours.
• 51:44
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Mike Angus: But it didn't need a whole lot of, no, I'm just kidding.
• 51:47
  Mike Angus: I don't know how you felt Stefan, but I just trusted you guys a lot more to be like, okay, finish this for Yeah.
• 51:52
  Glen Erickson: I appreciated that.
• 51:53
  Glen Erickson: That to me was the distinct difference of the two records was the first record.
• 51:58
  Glen Erickson: I was learning parts to a degree.
• 52:02
  Glen Erickson: Like I was trying to be true to the things that you guys liked in the demos you had made while also adding my own thing.
• 52:09
  Glen Erickson: But it wasn't really until.
• 52:12
  Glen Erickson: The second record, and maybe, maybe I got excited because of songs like Penal and Phone book I felt really represented how I wanted to play and things I wanted to try doing and experiment with.
• 52:25
  Glen Erickson: So going into a full, fresh record of being able to do that was definitely, uh, uh, really exciting for me.
• 52:33
  Glen Erickson: I remember that distinctly.
• 52:34
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Glen Erickson: Remember.
• 52:35
  Glen Erickson: Was it like,
• 52:37
  Stephane Dagenais: uh, you know, the biggest, I think the biggest difference between recording those two albums was the township was the first recording in that type of environment that I had done.
• 52:49
  Stephane Dagenais: And the, and the use and need for Click track was like shock to me how different, like how in my head it made me feel psychs you out so bad as a drummer.
• 53:01
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah, it really does.
• 53:02
  Stephane Dagenais: So, um, I think I was more used to it for Ontario, but it was also, yeah.
• 53:07
  Stephane Dagenais: I, I always felt like I was kind of, I needed to rein it in and not try to like put a big, you know, animal like Muppet stamp on everything.
• 53:21
  Stephane Dagenais: Right, right, right, right.
• 53:22
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Stephane Dagenais: So, and, uh, I don't know.
• 53:26
  Stephane Dagenais: That was good.
• 53:26
  Stephane Dagenais: I was, it, it was a learning experience for sure.
• 53:29
  Stephane Dagenais: Like.
• 53:30
  Stephane Dagenais: Less is more.
• 53:31
  Stephane Dagenais: It really is.
• 53:32
  Stephane Dagenais: Hundred percent.
• 53:32
  Stephane Dagenais: Anytime I'm impressed by Yeah, totally.
• 53:34
  Stephane Dagenais: Anytime I'm impressed by a drum riff these days, I'm like, look at how little is happening right
• 53:39
  Mike Angus: now and
• 53:40
  Stephane Dagenais: how impactful it is.
• 53:41
  Stephane Dagenais: Like at that point
• 53:42
  Mike Angus: in the song.
• 53:42
  Mike Angus: And he only did it once.
• 53:43
  Mike Angus: Like Yeah.
• 53:44
  Mike Angus: They they only did it once.
• 53:45
  Mike Angus: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:46
  Mike Angus: Exactly.
• 53:46
  Mike Angus: If there's one thing I learned from recording, it's that space in a song has so much power.
• 53:52
  Alexi: Hmm.
• 53:52
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 53:52
  Mike Angus: So much totally, so much more power than two or three or four layers of vocals or three guitar, like space, having room for things to kind of sit down and everyone take a breath for three seconds or a moment, like not playing is a choice and a contribution.
• 54:09
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 54:10
  Alexi: Oh, we're being joined.
• 54:13
  Glen Erickson: We're being joined by Alexi before her posting.
• 54:19
  Glen Erickson: Where are you right now?
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: I'm in the hallway of my hotel in downtown London, Ontario.
• 54:24
  Glen Erickson: Oh, nice.
• 54:25
  Glen Erickson: What are you doing next?
• 54:26
  Glen Erickson: Whatcha doing there?
• 54:27
  Glen Erickson: Lexi's on a school trip.
• 54:29
  Glen Erickson: Oh, cool.
• 54:30
  Glen Erickson: She gets to present, yeah.
• 54:31
  Glen Erickson: In London, right?
• 54:32
  Glen Erickson: Yeah,
• 54:32
  Alexi: ar she's part of her, uh
• 54:34
  Glen Erickson: oh, nice.
• 54:35
  Glen Erickson: She's, um, she's in a lab, uh, an independent lab in, at the university and she was doing research and she gets to present on it at the big national conference, so pretty awesome.
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: Are you
• 54:50
  Glen Erickson: at Western Ontario Proud dad?
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: Am I what?
• 54:54
  Mike Angus: Are you at Western?
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: Um, yes.
• 54:57
  Mike Angus: Oh, okay.
• 54:57
  Mike Angus: Cool.
• 54:57
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 54:58
  Mike Angus: Great.
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: Like, not for school, just like for the week.
• 55:00
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Mike Angus: No, congratulations.
• 55:01
  Mike Angus: That's great.
• 55:02
  Mike Angus: That's where our mom went and our niece is there right now working on her master's.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: Represent.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:10
  Mike Angus: If you can go find her graduation photo.
• 55:12
  Mike Angus: Oh, that'd be a
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: crazy task.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: That's funny.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: It's from
• 55:19
  Glen Erickson: the, I asked Steve, I asked Lexi to pop in because we asked a bunch of people to ask us questions.
• 55:27
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 55:27
  Glen Erickson: Which we're gonna get to here shortly.
• 55:29
  Glen Erickson: But, uh, I told Lexi she could pop in live'cause she has and asked the
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: first one and asked the first question,
• 55:36
  Glen Erickson: which is why I was holding back on some of the other ones so that Alexa could jump on and, and ask the band her questions.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: I love, okay, I'll give it, I'll preemptively set the stage first is because, um, what I'm asking, I've literally just had the assumption that it's gonna happen and I've just been saying it's gonna happen and my dad has known this.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: And then like, I think this year, oh, this is the
• 55:57
  Glen Erickson: question you're gonna ask.
• 55:59
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 55:59
  Glen Erickson: Oh, of course.
• 56:00
  Glen Erickson: Okay, here we go.
• 56:00
  Glen Erickson: Of course
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: it is.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Um, but literally earlier this year, my dad was like, I think you gotta tell the band, like they don't know what they're in for.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, like in my head, since I was like five, maybe this has just been my assumption, um, but when it happens, can you guys play at my wedding, please?
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah,
• 56:20
  Glen Erickson: why not?
• 56:20
  Glen Erickson: That's her legit question.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: That's legit my question.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: 'cause in my head this is happen gonna happen.
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: But he was like, you need to like ask.
• 56:27
  Glen Erickson: Yes.
• 56:28
  Glen Erickson: And what and what song in particular has to get played?
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: Oh, oh, evergreen.
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: Because on October 30th, I'm literally getting a tattoo of an evergreen tree after your guys' song.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, kidding.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: So do you know, do you know the story behind that song?
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: I,
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: uh, in the mix of my dad's million stories, he's told me I probably can't dig it out, so you might have to remind me.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: So
• 56:51
  Mike Angus: I wrote that song for when my best friends got married, the wedding.
• 56:55
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 56:55
  Mike Angus: So it's perfect.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: It's wedding.
• 56:58
  Glen Erickson: It'll be full circles.
• 56:58
  Glen Erickson: Somebody's
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: perfect.
• 57:01
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, she's been sitting on that one a long time, guys.
• 57:04
  Glen Erickson: So yeah, we'd be on it.
• 57:06
  Glen Erickson: But I told her you're right, Lexi, I remember I told you, uh, Stefan's not getting any younger and you better a figure out how to get, let's how to get married soon.
• 57:17
  Glen Erickson: And, uh, he's just riding a bike through Canmore now, so no pressure.
• 57:22
  Stephane Dagenais: But my drum chips are getting weaker and weaker.
• 57:26
  Stephane Dagenais: What the heck?
• 57:27
  Stephane Dagenais: The chips, the chips are leaving the chip, the chips are falling everywhere.
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: Listen, man, you gotta hold out for maybe seven or eight more years.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: What?
• 57:37
  Stephane Dagenais: I'll only be 63.
• 57:38
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh my goodness.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: It's okay.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: You'll stay youthful.
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: Get some retinol in you.
• 57:45
  Mike Angus: Well, Lexi, let me tell you something I realized in the last five years as a, as a musician, is that when you do this, either for a living or part-time.
• 57:57
  Mike Angus: There's no greater honor than when people ask you to be a part of like the biggest days of their life.
• 58:02
  Mike Angus: And that could be yes.
• 58:03
  Mike Angus: Sometimes it's a funeral, sometimes it's a wedding, sometimes it's a but, and it's not always easy to do.
• 58:10
  Mike Angus: Like, but truly there's no greater honor than than someone asking you that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: I love that.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: Well, so there what I'm hearing, so you got your answer?
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: I'm hearing a anonymous yes.
• 58:22
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Glen Erickson: You heard?
• 58:22
  Glen Erickson: Yes, yes,
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: of course.
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: And no caveat on the year, so I'm in no rush.
• 58:28
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 58:29
  Glen Erickson: That's the caveat I needed to hear, so I appreciate that very much.
• 58:33
  Glen Erickson: Just give, just give me a year's notice.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: Oh, easily.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, me too.
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: So
• 58:37
  Glen Erickson: I can practice.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: I'm Type A enough for that.
• 58:42
  Glen Erickson: And we all need at least 12 months to practice.
• 58:45
  Glen Erickson: Gotta Some
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: of you gotta practice more than others probably.
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: And that's okay.
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: So
• 58:49
  Glen Erickson: this is, this is a callback.
• 58:51
  Glen Erickson: 'cause we were talking a little bit earlier about in the studio and some of the changes that were made.
• 58:56
  Glen Erickson: And I, I talked about how I didn't love the studio version of Evergreen as much as the way we play it live.
• 59:02
  Glen Erickson: Mm.
• 59:02
  Glen Erickson: Um, and so the, the caveat to that story is like the last reunion actually, every time we did a reunion show, I had to go back.
• 59:11
  Glen Erickson: I had no point of reference for what my actual solo was.
• 59:16
  Glen Erickson: 'cause it's different on the recording than the way I played it live.
• 59:20
  Glen Erickson: And I finally found a YouTube clip of somebody that had us playing Evergreen and I could make out enough of it to remember how to play the solo.
• 59:30
  Glen Erickson: Was
• 59:30
  Mike Angus: that at times changed in Winnipeg?
• 59:32
  Mike Angus: Was it that one?
• 59:32
  Mike Angus: Yeah,
• 59:33
  Glen Erickson: it was.
• 59:33
  Glen Erickson: That is the Times Change one.
• 59:35
  Mike Angus: Yeah, I've seen that one with Brad
• 59:37
  Glen Erickson: Tebel on drums.
• 59:38
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, I see him
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: every morning.
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: I work And I need you to talk know.
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: I know
• 59:43
  Glen Erickson: you do.
• 59:45
  Glen Erickson: Okay, well thank you Alex.
• 59:47
  Glen Erickson: Thank you for it's late there.
• 59:49
  Glen Erickson: I know.
• 59:49
  Glen Erickson: So thank you for jumping on on the call lesson.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: That's like three hours past my bedtime guys.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: That's late
• 59:53
  Alexi: for a girly okay's
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: so hard.
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: Anyways, thank you so much.
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: You guys love, thanks for coming in.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: Bye.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: Um, sure.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: I'll see you soon.
• 1:00:03
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Glen Erickson: Awesome.
• 1:00:04
  Glen Erickson: Okay, bye bye Joe.
• 1:00:06
  Glen Erickson: Bye-bye.
• 1:00:09
  Glen Erickson: Alright.
• 1:00:10
  Glen Erickson: I had really nice, I had to have a little surprise for you guys in there.
• 1:00:14
  Glen Erickson: How dare you make us get emotional.
• 1:00:16
  Glen Erickson: How dare I?
• 1:00:18
  Glen Erickson: Okay, well let's, uh, let's, uh, let's do a little more of, of this right now.
• 1:00:24
  Glen Erickson: 'cause there's some relative things here that people have asked.
• 1:00:27
  Glen Erickson: 'cause we're talking about our songs and the music and how we record it and how some of them are different.
• 1:00:32
  Glen Erickson: Um.
• 1:00:33
  Glen Erickson: Like right outta the gate.
• 1:00:34
  Glen Erickson: I've had this from a couple of people.
• 1:00:36
  Glen Erickson: I had this from Arlene.
• 1:00:37
  Glen Erickson: I had this in a sense from Adam Culligan, another great friend of the band.
• 1:00:41
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:41
  Glen Erickson: Uh, who really supported us.
• 1:00:43
  Glen Erickson: I, I just wanna make that caveat too, maybe the greatest thing that got us started was the fact that you guys had this friendship circle that came to every single gig we played for like the first two and a half years.
• 1:00:55
  Glen Erickson: Like guaranteed, like you had the most dedicated group of friends, uh, which was incredible.
• 1:01:01
  Glen Erickson: And there's really like, what a way to get a, a band on their feet as to, you know, make everybody else in the city think that we had a crowd every, everywhere we went.
• 1:01:10
  Glen Erickson: So, um, but Collie was one of those guys.
• 1:01:14
  Glen Erickson: So, uh, we're gonna have to dice this question up a little bit'cause they're similar but different.
• 1:01:19
  Glen Erickson: So we have the question from Arlene.
• 1:01:21
  Glen Erickson: What is each of your favorite We Pool song?
• 1:01:24
  Glen Erickson: Are you able to have a favorite child here?
• 1:01:27
  Glen Erickson: You know, that might be harder for the songwriters.
• 1:01:31
  Glen Erickson: Um, for me even it's, it's, I was thinking about it today and I'm like, do I have a favorite song to listen to off the record?
• 1:01:39
  Glen Erickson: Like, I need that feeling the most or different than my favorite song to play.
• 1:01:44
  Glen Erickson: And there might be.
• 1:01:44
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Mike Angus: It, it's two questions for sure.
• 1:01:47
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Glen Erickson: So who wants to go first?
• 1:01:49
  Glen Erickson: Does someone know what their
• 1:01:50
  Stephane Dagenais: answer is?
• 1:01:52
  Stephane Dagenais: I can tell you that.
• 1:01:53
  Stephane Dagenais: Uh, it's, I've always had the, um, it's always been a battle between phone book and right arm.
• 1:02:01
  Stephane Dagenais: Yep.
• 1:02:02
  Stephane Dagenais: Really good choices.
• 1:02:04
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Stephane Dagenais: And, you know, one, one day, one rhythm will win.
• 1:02:08
  Stephane Dagenais: But right now,
• 1:02:13
  Mike Angus: um, yeah, you know, I, I had seen that a few people had asked this question in the, in the comments of the posts we made.
• 1:02:21
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  Mike Angus: And when I was listening to the albums this week, I kind of was keeping that in mind.
• 1:02:26
  Mike Angus: Um, but yeah, live and, uh, studio totally different.
• 1:02:32
  Mike Angus: Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:32
  Mike Angus: Um, like probably my, so this is a Evangeline from the second album, which is one of Mike's songs I love.
• 1:02:43
  Mike Angus: I love it.
• 1:02:45
  Mike Angus: I am not sure if we ever played it more than twice, but I love it.
• 1:02:50
  Mike Angus: I love the song.
• 1:02:51
  Mike Angus: I love the recording.
• 1:02:52
  Mike Angus: I love the story.
• 1:02:54
  Mike Angus: I love it.
• 1:02:55
  Mike Angus: Um, right arm, I love the song.
• 1:02:59
  Mike Angus: Um, and I love playing it live, which really for me says a lot because I hate playing the bass guitar and I play bass on that song.
• 1:03:11
  Mike Angus: I never wanted to ever play the bass, but I did play the bass about 50% of the time.
• 1:03:17
  Mike Angus: And, um, I loved playing that song even though I was on base.
• 1:03:23
  Mike Angus: Um, that song made the
• 1:03:24
  Glen Erickson: hairs on my arms stand up sometimes when we played it.
• 1:03:28
  Mike Angus: Yeah, me too.
• 1:03:28
  Mike Angus: Um, I, I always loved playing Neil Young for so many reasons.
• 1:03:34
  Mike Angus: I loved Mike's harmonies.
• 1:03:36
  Mike Angus: Glen, I love your solo.
• 1:03:38
  Mike Angus: Um, Steph, you got some, which one?
• 1:03:41
  Mike Angus: We had like four.
• 1:03:42
  Mike Angus: Like that
• 1:03:43
  Glen Erickson: song,
• 1:03:44
  Mike Angus: that song has no chorus.
• 1:03:46
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 1:03:46
  Mike Angus: Take the compliment plan.
• 1:03:47
  Mike Angus: Oh, sorry.
• 1:03:48
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 1:03:49
  Mike Angus: I'll ask you what your favorite, I loved it because there's no
• 1:03:51
  Glen Erickson: chorus.
• 1:03:51
  Glen Erickson: You had four verses and then we just soloed in between.
• 1:03:54
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Glen Erickson: And then doubled it on the way at the end.
• 1:03:55
  Glen Erickson: So, um,
• 1:03:56
  Mike Angus: and, and I loved that in the early days.
• 1:03:59
  Mike Angus: That was a song like when I think of us playing that song in the early days, there was a lot of nights where, because we would, we would do a lot of like stomp on our feet, like just pound.
• 1:04:10
  Mike Angus: There was a lot of nights where when we finished playing that song, there was a cloud of dust that came up off the stage from the carpets.
• 1:04:18
  Mike Angus: I was thinking about that, but do you
• 1:04:19
  Glen Erickson: remember the Iron Wood in Calgary?
• 1:04:22
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Glen Erickson: So the first time that happened was the classic Ironwood in Calgary and they had a very old, that ornate kind of carpet rug that you roll out.
• 1:04:31
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  Glen Erickson: I forget there's a name for it, but we were stomping the hell.
• 1:04:34
  Glen Erickson: Maybe it was that song Stomping the hell out of a song and I thought my amp was on fire.
• 1:04:38
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I, there was, there was smoke, there was so much smoke and it was all the way up to our knees and it was thick and I thought only smoke outta my amp.
• 1:04:47
  Glen Erickson: Could be, yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Glen Erickson: Totally producing that.
• 1:04:49
  Glen Erickson: So I was like freaking out.
• 1:04:51
  Glen Erickson: But yeah, you lit up your solo so bad.
• 1:04:53
  Glen Erickson: I love that.
• 1:04:53
  Glen Erickson: Neil Young was the best stomper song for sure.
• 1:04:55
  Glen Erickson: And it would get people up.
• 1:04:56
  Glen Erickson: And, and loving it too.
• 1:04:58
  Glen Erickson: So, yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Robb Angus: So those are my three.
• 1:04:59
  Robb Angus: What about you, Mike?
• 1:05:00
  Robb Angus: For different routines, I think.
• 1:05:01
  Robb Angus: What about you,
• 1:05:01
  Mike Angus: Mike?
• 1:05:02
  Mike Angus: Uh, Neil Young for sure.
• 1:05:04
  Mike Angus: Um, I think it's my favorite song we've done as a band because it was one of the first songs, uh, and it had so much urgency and, um, but it was so slow, slow to build as well, and we did such a great job with, and by the end, I think it, I think it just embodies everything that we're, we're great at.
• 1:05:29
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:30
  Mike Angus: Um, like the harmonies, the rhythm, the driving rhythm of it, the length, you can put that song on, and it's not seven minutes on the album, but it's a great like, road trip song where you can, it's close, you can lose yourself, you know, you can, you, you, there's a joke that you, you know, a good album will allow you to measure a road trip in songs, not kilometers.
• 1:05:52
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 1:05:53
  Mike Angus: And I think that's it.
• 1:05:55
  Mike Angus: It really anchors, um, township, uh, and it was my, my favorite song to play.
• 1:06:02
  Mike Angus: Uh, and I think when it came to like the studio times, like from the studio thing and maybe one of my.
• 1:06:08
  Mike Angus: Proudest songs that I'd written is Selfish Guns, which is absurd to talk about because we never played it.
• 1:06:15
  Mike Angus: I don't think we ever talked about it again after recording it.
• 1:06:19
  Mike Angus: And we tried.
• 1:06:20
  Mike Angus: I did.
• 1:06:21
  Glen Erickson: I loved that song.
• 1:06:22
  Glen Erickson: I talked, I love it.
• 1:06:23
  Mike Angus: I, I, I really, we wrote it as part of a songwriting competition with like Nick Perone about your guys at, at o Birds, and I just kind of like ripped it out.
• 1:06:32
  Mike Angus: I was obviously, the lyrics showed what a place I was in at the time, so it was easy to, easy to write, visceral, just kind of like visceral.
• 1:06:41
  Mike Angus: It's visceral.
• 1:06:42
  Mike Angus: Totally.
• 1:06:43
  Mike Angus: And then we go into the studio and we do this arrangement with Dave, and by the end of it, and then Paul Bellows is on Horns.
• 1:06:50
  Mike Angus: And we, we come up with, and I don't, it's almost like we buried it at Track 10 or whatever, and I'm listening back through Ontario last year and that comes up and it starts, and I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot we even recorded this.
• 1:07:02
  Mike Angus: And by the end I was just like, this song is so good, dude.
• 1:07:06
  Mike Angus: But I listen, you know what, listening to that song, uh, this week, like I said, listening to the album again, when I heard it, I was like, and I've always felt this way, but this week I was like, wow, is this such a personal song?
• 1:07:20
  Mike Angus: Like it's, yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Glen Erickson: And I, that's why I love it.
• 1:07:22
  Glen Erickson: Like it cuts so hard.
• 1:07:24
  Glen Erickson: Like some of the lines, like Mike, the way you put together some of the lines in that song, um, I'm pretty proud of like how the lyrics I like, I.
• 1:07:35
  Glen Erickson: Can't even get over it.
• 1:07:36
  Glen Erickson: Like when I listen to it.
• 1:07:37
  Glen Erickson: Still phrasing.
• 1:07:38
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:07:40
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  Mike Angus: And I, I don't, I don't think most people know that that's even a conflict for songwriters, because I have a few songs on the albums, on the two albums where I was like, listening to even this week I was like, oh, these are grossly personal, pretty naked.
• 1:07:57
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Mike Angus: Between you and me.
• 1:07:57
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Mike Angus: Is a, like, that's is a really personal one.
• 1:08:01
  Mike Angus: FBD is a really personal one.
• 1:08:04
  Mike Angus: Um, FPD was so good live.
• 1:08:07
  Mike Angus: Uh, oh yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Mike Angus: Um, but yeah, like when you're songwriting, you know, the personal stuff comes out and, and you kind of owe it to yourself to be honest to yourself in the songwriting.
• 1:08:24
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Mike Angus: No matter how, uh, naked or vulnerable you may feel.
• 1:08:31
  Mike Angus: And then, then once you release it, totally.
• 1:08:36
  Mike Angus: Um, it
• 1:08:37
  Glen Erickson: more, but I talked to this about artists on podcast.
• 1:08:39
  Glen Erickson: More uncomfortable.
• 1:08:40
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  Glen Erickson: Guys, I talked to artists about this now.
• 1:08:42
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:08:42
  Glen Erickson: Because having witnessed that and seen it, I'll ask the question.
• 1:08:47
  Glen Erickson: Like, when you write this song, you have no idea, right.
• 1:08:51
  Glen Erickson: That you're gonna end up having to talk to it about, about it with like, yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Glen Erickson: Dudes on their podcast for like, the next five years, and you're gonna have to relive your inspiration and the moments and, and all of that, like over and over and over again.
• 1:09:06
  Glen Erickson: Like.
• 1:09:07
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:09:08
  Glen Erickson: I
• 1:09:09
  Mike Angus: remember, I remember doing an interview with Sandra Speroni when she was with the Journal.
• 1:09:13
  Mike Angus: She followed me to do an interview about, I can't remember which album, the first album.
• 1:09:19
  Mike Angus: And she had asked me what's that song about?
• 1:09:22
  Mike Angus: And I wasn't gonna tell a journalist from the Edmonton Journal, so you kind of have to do some tap dancing and use Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  Mike Angus: Analogies and metaphors and this, but yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Mike Angus: It's a, it's a, it's a bit of a, like a tightrope act sometimes if you wanna write what you're experiencing.
• 1:09:43
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Mike Angus: Some people are great at it using metaphors and analogies and vagaries, but at that point I wasn't, I I was pretty, uh, yeah,
• 1:09:54
  Glen Erickson: sometimes it's on your sleeve.
• 1:09:56
  Glen Erickson: That's it.
• 1:09:56
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Glen Erickson: But, uh, and well, I don't regret it.
• 1:10:00
  Glen Erickson: We have a question, but it, it was tough.
• 1:10:02
  Glen Erickson: We have a question in there relative, so before I give my answer, I'll just make sure we get this in here.
• 1:10:08
  Glen Erickson: 'cause there's a question that people wanna know what the story was behind Right Arm.
• 1:10:14
  Glen Erickson: And since that was one of Steph's favorite and uh, I know the story and like I said.
• 1:10:21
  Glen Erickson: The incredible, like, what's the line I just about, I didn't wanna say it wrong.
• 1:10:25
  Glen Erickson: The blood shaped stars are I I was gonna say
• 1:10:27
  Robb Angus: it's, it's the i, this perfect blood shaped stars.
• 1:10:30
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Glen Erickson: The perfect blood rate, the spinning up perfect blood.
• 1:10:33
  Glen Erickson: I heard.
• 1:10:34
  Glen Erickson: I was like,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: oh God, that's great.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: That one to me, I was like,
• 1:10:38
  Glen Erickson: what a weight to like, wrap, put a bow on that whole story.
• 1:10:42
  Glen Erickson: But Mike went the sound of my teeth getting it around.
• 1:10:44
  Glen Erickson: Can you sort of give the, get outta the, what do you do, sort of the Cole's Notes inspiration of where that, what do you think you are, where that tune came from?
• 1:10:52
  Glen Erickson: Because we got asked.
• 1:10:53
  Glen Erickson: I was
• 1:10:53
  Mike Angus: thinking about that'cause I was listening to it and I, I realized that that's the most, um, that's the, that's the song where there's a story that's a narrative that I didn't l live or experience necessarily.
• 1:11:07
  Mike Angus: I'm writing from first.
• 1:11:08
  Mike Angus: You're not in the story.
• 1:11:09
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Mike Angus: I'm writing Okay.
• 1:11:10
  Mike Angus: As though I'm a first person.
• 1:11:13
  Mike Angus: So 10 story telling the narrative.
• 1:11:15
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  Mike Angus: Um, oh, that's Emily Carr.
• 1:11:20
  Mike Angus: Um, and that's, that's a, a story that I was told Emily Carr was a, a story that I was told.
• 1:11:24
  Mike Angus: A good friend of mine lib that and I kind of obviously put some, some color to it, but, um, right.
• 1:11:31
  Mike Angus: Arm was inspired.
• 1:11:34
  Mike Angus: Whereas a lot of the songs, like you were just saying, I write from a first person experience if their relationships, and I always kind of looked, I marveled at people like Elvis Costello or Jim Cuddy who can write just song after song after song about.
• 1:11:48
  Mike Angus: Obviously things that they didn't live through.
• 1:11:50
  Mike Angus: Like how could Jim Cuddy have broken up with women for 40 years?
• 1:11:56
  Mike Angus: God bless him.
• 1:11:56
  Mike Angus: In my mind he did.
• 1:11:58
  Mike Angus: He's been married the entire time, right?
• 1:11:59
  Mike Angus: In my mind he did.
• 1:12:01
  Mike Angus: So I just kind of think he's got such a gift for putting himself in someone else's position.
• 1:12:05
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Mike Angus: And being able to, and Elvis Costello was great at that as well.
• 1:12:08
  Mike Angus: And, um, their ability to like empathize and, and, and put themselves in a situation that they can explore and then, um, express back to the listener, which is fascinating to me because I've always felt so confined to my own experiences.
• 1:12:25
  Mike Angus: So right Arm, for example, was I was a letter carrier for Canada Post for four years in Edmonton, and I would spend half of my time, um, walking through neighborhoods where there wasn't the, you could tell that there was just some very difficult occult domestic situations going on.
• 1:12:48
  Mike Angus: Um, and one of the things was, I, I just remember walking past the sidewalk and seeing, you know, that constellation of, of blood on the sidewalk.
• 1:12:57
  Mike Angus: Um, and just being like, that's, and that's what popped in my head.
• 1:13:00
  Mike Angus: And I, you don't always necessarily get to claim, you don't get to claim that as your own.
• 1:13:05
  Mike Angus: It just kind of comes to you as a songwriter.
• 1:13:07
  Mike Angus: You know, like that idea of like, oh, that the stars and like that blood looks like a, a constellation and then you're just like, yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Mike Angus: Oh, I gotta write this down.
• 1:13:15
  Mike Angus: Like, you just have to be attentive when it happens.
• 1:13:18
  Mike Angus: I think Tom wait, said it.
• 1:13:19
  Mike Angus: He's like to catch the big ones, you gotta be really quiet.
• 1:13:22
  Mike Angus: It's like fishing, you know, you catch the big fish, you gotta be really quiet.
• 1:13:27
  Mike Angus: Um, and it was just kind of like that where it, when inspiration strikes, you gotta make sure you have a pen and paper or now and a phone or whatever handy.
• 1:13:35
  Mike Angus: So, and then I would just get to witness these personalities and these people living with mental illnesses.
• 1:13:43
  Mike Angus: Um, and it just, it allowed me to, I don't know.
• 1:13:50
  Mike Angus: I worry about that song now because it's like, is there a certain amount of appropriation or exploitation just for me, like observing these stories.
• 1:13:57
  Mike Angus: But it was based on observations that I had from this that was really powerful for me to, to just see these and, and explore these stories that were really kind of heart heartbreaking.
• 1:14:08
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Mike Angus: I don't think it's
• 1:14:09
  Glen Erickson: appropriation.
• 1:14:10
  Glen Erickson: I think, I think people are trying to make, I don't know, maybe people are trying to pull those lines closer together than they need to be.
• 1:14:18
  Glen Erickson: But I think storytellers, whether it be awesome cinematographers, whether it be musicians or whatever Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  Glen Erickson: When they allow you to photographers feel what it feels like to get in the skin of somebody else.
• 1:14:32
  Glen Erickson: In other words, like you can be in the story yourself.
• 1:14:36
  Glen Erickson: Um, that's the only way you have a chance of actually learning empathy.
• 1:14:42
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:14:43
  Glen Erickson: Like, that's how we learn empathy by crawling inside the skin of other people.
• 1:14:46
  Glen Erickson: And, and I think artists do that for us all the time, you know?
• 1:14:51
  Glen Erickson: So I think it's an incredible skill.
• 1:14:53
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Glen Erickson: Um, well, awesome.
• 1:14:57
  Glen Erickson: Let me, uh, okay.
• 1:14:58
  Glen Erickson: My, I'll, I'll give my answer real quick.
• 1:15:00
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I had, I had to think about this a lot.
• 1:15:02
  Glen Erickson: The hard part about me answering this is I have a whole bunch of favorites to play, and they all come off of what I got to play, like, what I'm, and you, maybe you guys feel the same way about the songs you write.
• 1:15:15
  Glen Erickson: Like, what do you so selfish,
• 1:15:16
  Mike Angus: Glen, what do you, so clearly nothing's
• 1:15:19
  Robb Angus: changed.
• 1:15:20
  Robb Angus: You know, I thought we'd get together and things would change.
• 1:15:23
  Robb Angus: You haven't changed a bit.
• 1:15:25
  Robb Angus: No, it wouldn't changed.
• 1:15:26
  Glen Erickson: A, you guys had three people and you were like, th the none of us are divas.
• 1:15:30
  Glen Erickson: So you hired a diva and then nothing changes, but, um, we paid you.
• 1:15:37
  Glen Erickson: Oh man.
• 1:15:37
  Glen Erickson: So good.
• 1:15:38
  Glen Erickson: Um, I'll say that my favorite song, although like all of you like really hard to do, but I don't know, I can't, I can't get away from Penny l to me as maybe one of the most perfectly written songs I've heard, let alone experienced.
• 1:15:54
  Glen Erickson: I think like that song is absolutely perfect, like the lyrical weaving.
• 1:16:01
  Glen Erickson: Um, just from your background and your knowledge of.
• 1:16:05
  Glen Erickson: You know, biblical text relating to very important cultural things in our country with Louis Riel was, I thought just brilliant.
• 1:16:13
  Glen Erickson: And it's one thing to have the brilliant idea, like you said, when you're walking around on your postal route, it's another thing to be able to take it back and actually do the work and shape it into something so special.
• 1:16:24
  Glen Erickson: So, uh, penny l to me, is like one of the most special songs I've ever sort of known somebody that I know come up with.
• 1:16:32
  Glen Erickson: So I, I have to pick that one.
• 1:16:34
  Glen Erickson: But I will say out of like, I'm really proud of this.
• 1:16:39
  Glen Erickson: Is it because that's a song that, that, um, you came not finished to the band.
• 1:16:46
  Glen Erickson: And that's one of the first things to start the Ontario recording writing sessions.
• 1:16:51
  Glen Erickson: And that's this instance where I had a dream about all those parts, like the horn parts.
• 1:16:57
  Glen Erickson: Oh, wow.
• 1:16:58
  Glen Erickson: And the, and the, and that rhythm of the da do Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  Glen Erickson: Instead of the way you were kind of playing it more like, like mic acoustically straightforward.
• 1:17:05
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Glen Erickson: I kind of, anyhow, so being able to have that influence always felt and the song turning out so well, like, felt fulfilling to me.
• 1:17:14
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:15
  Glen Erickson: I thought that would be my favorite to play live.
• 1:17:17
  Glen Erickson: But it's it's phone book every time.
• 1:17:20
  Glen Erickson: Like we always played it at the end of the night.
• 1:17:23
  Glen Erickson: Um, my favorite thing about playing guitar for you guys is that you wrote songs like we've already talked about with so much feeling.
• 1:17:29
  Glen Erickson: And I never wanted to be a soloist.
• 1:17:31
  Glen Erickson: Like I didn't wanna be the lead guitar player.
• 1:17:33
  Glen Erickson: Like, and you guys didn't ask me to be the lead guitar player.
• 1:17:38
  Glen Erickson: You just let me play guitar and I wanted to find the sounds and the textures and right to the very end.
• 1:17:45
  Glen Erickson: Uh, that's the song that I, I'm hiding tears every time I play it on stage at the end of a night.
• 1:17:52
  Glen Erickson: Um, and and to the point where I thought on a couple of those reunion shows, I didn't know how I was gonna fucking get through it because Yeah, I know in my head is this is the last time a, it's the last song of the night, right?
• 1:18:05
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:18:05
  Glen Erickson: It's the last song of the night.
• 1:18:06
  Glen Erickson: It could be the last time we ever play it.
• 1:18:10
  Glen Erickson: It's the last time I play this song, which makes me feel this way every.
• 1:18:14
  Glen Erickson: Time, and I don't know if there's another song that makes me feel that way as consistently as phone book does.
• 1:18:19
  Glen Erickson: So,
• 1:18:19
  Stephane Dagenais: so you felt like Rob did every time?
• 1:18:22
  Stephane Dagenais: Yes.
• 1:18:22
  Stephane Dagenais: He went through white, the one that I'm, I'm the one
• 1:18:24
  Glen Erickson: that, that manifested,
• 1:18:28
  Stephane Dagenais: we're not talking about white young shit.
• 1:18:30
  Stephane Dagenais: We're not talking about white f He would spike the bass into the stage at the end if it was perfect.
• 1:18:36
  Stephane Dagenais: Just like, yes.
• 1:18:38
  Stephane Dagenais: That's funny.
• 1:18:39
  Stephane Dagenais: I think I only played that properly
• 1:18:40
  Mike Angus: about three times in all the years we were together.
• 1:18:43
  Mike Angus: I think I lied and it was glorious
• 1:18:45
  Stephane Dagenais: when you did.
• 1:18:48
  Mike Angus: Well, Glen, to your point, like about getting my favorite Glen, to your point was quickly, I mean, the last couple of times we've gotten together to start rehearsing for these last couple of reunion shows, I know that like, we would start, okay, what do you wanna start with?
• 1:19:01
  Mike Angus: And like, within the first couple of bars of me singing something, I would choke up because like this wave.
• 1:19:06
  Mike Angus: And I remember looking at Rob once and he is like, don't look at me like, we were just like, well, gonna like Don, you can't look at me.
• 1:19:10
  Mike Angus: I'll cry.
• 1:19:11
  Mike Angus: Like there's like getting back into those emotions and getting, and even though I've changed.
• 1:19:17
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:19:17
  Mike Angus: And I'm not the same person.
• 1:19:19
  Mike Angus: I think I remember talking to you guys about this when we were rehearsing for one of last reunions.
• 1:19:22
  Mike Angus: I was like, I feel like I'm playing covers of my own songs.
• 1:19:26
  Mike Angus: Like I'm not the same person that lived in these clothes and played these songs when they were, when we were performing them as a band.
• 1:19:34
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 1:19:34
  Mike Angus: And it's true because I I, I've grown up, I've had different experiences like, you shouldn't be and you shouldn't be.
• 1:19:39
  Mike Angus: Totally.
• 1:19:40
  Mike Angus: Like, and I wonder if Neil Young's like still, like he's.
• 1:19:42
  Mike Angus: Plays old man, and he's just like, well,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: like it does he, but that
• 1:19:45
  Glen Erickson: emotion, Mike, like, I, I don't remember which reunion show it was for, but we all met in Calgary.
• 1:19:50
  Glen Erickson: I'm thinking it's the second one.
• 1:19:52
  Glen Erickson: Um, we met in Calgary at that like rental shop that had like that little rehearsal.
• 1:19:57
  Glen Erickson: Oh, KMM Space.
• 1:19:58
  Glen Erickson: That was
• 1:19:58
  Robb Angus: the first one.
• 1:19:58
  Robb Angus: Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Robb Angus: K lm was that the
• 1:19:59
  Glen Erickson: first one?
• 1:20:00
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 1:20:00
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Glen Erickson: And we got back together and all I remember is us setting all our shit up, that feeling in my chest that we're like actually doing this and I couldn't wait.
• 1:20:09
  Glen Erickson: Everything's set up.
• 1:20:10
  Glen Erickson: We're just sort of like humming and hawing and it's like, what do we do?
• 1:20:13
  Glen Erickson: And then Steph, you just, you just did the, the fill into geo and, and away we went into geographic center in Canada, which just look, I don't know if I've felt such elation out of so many, like amount of times we played these songs.
• 1:20:30
  Glen Erickson: That moment is stuck with me of like us being the band that we are and the guys that we are when we're together was like, nobody needs to say shit.
• 1:20:40
  Glen Erickson: Steph knows what to play to get us going.
• 1:20:42
  Alexi: Right.
• 1:20:43
  Stephane Dagenais: And so a hundred percent that, that thing was always like.
• 1:20:47
  Stephane Dagenais: Just pouring gas on everything and just like,
• 1:20:54
  Glen Erickson: ugh.
• 1:20:54
  Glen Erickson: Um, okay.
• 1:20:55
  Glen Erickson: Uh, a couple cool questions since we're on the music thing here.
• 1:21:00
  Glen Erickson: Um, we have a question from former guest of the pod and current guest Kidding.
• 1:21:08
  Glen Erickson: Of Rob's house, Brandy Sador.
• 1:21:11
  Glen Erickson: Uh, that's a terrible way to put that.
• 1:21:14
  Glen Erickson: I know.
• 1:21:16
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  Mike Angus: I mean, she's, she comes and goes.
• 1:21:18
  Mike Angus: He's getting, ah, yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Mike Angus: Okay.
• 1:21:20
  Mike Angus: Um, her question was, she's a frog right now, by the way.
• 1:21:23
  Glen Erickson: What?
• 1:21:23
  Glen Erickson: Oh, I've seen the pictures.
• 1:21:24
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:21:24
  Glen Erickson: It's amazing.
• 1:21:25
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Glen Erickson: On socials.
• 1:21:26
  Glen Erickson: Good for her.
• 1:21:27
  Glen Erickson: Um, so Brandy wanted to ask, what evolution would the band have taken musically if you had recorded more music?
• 1:21:34
  Glen Erickson: What would the next record have sounded like?
• 1:21:35
  Glen Erickson: Which I think is a great question because we left off with two songs in the can.
• 1:21:42
  Glen Erickson: Um, the, I love the cover that we did.
• 1:21:45
  Glen Erickson: I love both
• 1:21:45
  Robb Angus: of those songs
• 1:21:46
  Glen Erickson: and I, I still go back and listen to them.
• 1:21:48
  Glen Erickson: So Mike had written a song that ended up on his solo album called Swallow It Hole, and we did the loudest song other than maybe what we did with Gio sometimes.
• 1:22:00
  Glen Erickson: Wow.
• 1:22:00
  Glen Erickson: But what we did in the studio, and it's only two minutes long.
• 1:22:04
  Glen Erickson: And we layered so many guitars.
• 1:22:06
  Glen Erickson: I was in heaven.
• 1:22:07
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Glen Erickson: And, um, so we recorded Swallowed Hole and we recorded, um, the, the song the Gordon Lightfoot cover for that, uh, that music circle.
• 1:22:17
  Glen Erickson: Halifax Circle is small.
• 1:22:18
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:22:18
  Glen Erickson: Circle is small.
• 1:22:19
  Glen Erickson: Which Stefan the fact that people don't get to hear your drums on that.
• 1:22:25
  Glen Erickson: And this is where, I don't know if you'll ever have the chips to play that again.
• 1:22:28
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I don't like Pattern on
• 1:22:30
  Mike Angus: that song was incredible.
• 1:22:31
  Glen Erickson: It, and even the very ending, I'm sitting here again, I'm the diva.
• 1:22:36
  Glen Erickson: I got, I layered four guitar parts onto that outro solo.
• 1:22:40
  Glen Erickson: And I was so proud.
• 1:22:40
  Glen Erickson: Proud.
• 1:22:41
  Glen Erickson: I remember coming
• 1:22:41
  Mike Angus: into the studio after lunch break and you had worked through lunch and I came back in and you were just like, you were vibrating.
• 1:22:47
  Mike Angus: You were like, oh, I could
• 1:22:47
  Alexi: use nobody.
• 1:22:48
  Alexi: Guitar job.
• 1:22:49
  Glen Erickson: We went crazy.
• 1:22:50
  Glen Erickson: I loved it.
• 1:22:51
  Glen Erickson: And yet every time I listened to it, it's the way the bass drops out right at the very end and you flip the drum pattern and start doing these little roll.
• 1:23:00
  Glen Erickson: Um, unbelievable.
• 1:23:02
  Glen Erickson: I think I was
• 1:23:02
  Stephane Dagenais: channeling Brian Devor for something during that whole Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  Stephane Dagenais: Believe it was like, I believe
• 1:23:07
  Glen Erickson: it.
• 1:23:08
  Stephane Dagenais: But so we had
• 1:23:09
  Glen Erickson: two in the can that were loud.
• 1:23:11
  Glen Erickson: And so I'm wondering, like, we can just answer, answer Brandy's questions straight up where each of you think we were headed.
• 1:23:18
  Glen Erickson: But I know for me, I've always wondered, was I pushing.
• 1:23:24
  Glen Erickson: I'm just being honest.
• 1:23:25
  Glen Erickson: Since we're on the podcast here, like, I, I always wondered what was I pushing us?
• 1:23:29
  Glen Erickson: Because, you know, I was the indie rock guy more than I was the alt country guy, right?
• 1:23:32
  Glen Erickson: So yeah, I was, I'm like, wanted, I think I was
• 1:23:35
  Mike Angus: more excited about like a more guitar driven, electric, guitar
• 1:23:40
  Robb Angus: driven
• 1:23:42
  Mike Angus: direction.
• 1:23:42
  Glen Erickson: What's that guy from the band?
• 1:23:44
  Glen Erickson: Come on with a big, long beard.
• 1:23:45
  Glen Erickson: Ian something.
• 1:23:47
  Glen Erickson: Ian Blurton.
• 1:23:48
  Glen Erickson: Oh yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Glen Erickson: Ton.
• 1:23:49
  Glen Erickson: I wanted him to produce the next record.
• 1:23:51
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Mike Angus: Like when, when I, when I look back, didn't hear Next Records, like, yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Mike Angus: Perfect.
• 1:23:55
  Mike Angus: When I look back on that kind of, the, the, the later part of that, of those two songs, I look back and I think like I was probably going towards like, uh, Constantine or like, uh, early Arkels kind of thing.
• 1:24:12
  Mike Angus: Guitar driven rock band, and I was listening to those guys a lot and I can, that's, I mean, at that time, that was the direction I just assumed we were going.
• 1:24:25
  Mike Angus: Like it wasn't a decision.
• 1:24:27
  Mike Angus: Huh.
• 1:24:28
  Mike Angus: It's almost not a decision, right?
• 1:24:29
  Mike Angus: It's just No, it's not Like Geographic was when I first wrote it, that was one of the first songs that I think we ever collaborated on and yeah, I made a demo of it and it was like this very quiet Sia and Stevens esque.
• 1:24:43
  Mike Angus: I, I remember there was a falsetto on it.
• 1:24:45
  Mike Angus: Rob was like, we gotta get rid of that.
• 1:24:47
  Mike Angus: I remember our, I remember the first time we played that song, I was like.
• 1:24:52
  Mike Angus: No.
• 1:24:52
  Mike Angus: Everybody stopped.
• 1:24:53
  Mike Angus: Absolutely not.
• 1:24:53
  Mike Angus: Yeah, totally.
• 1:24:54
  Mike Angus: This is what the song is.
• 1:24:56
  Mike Angus: This is the tempo.
• 1:24:56
  Mike Angus: It's this, it's this tempo.
• 1:24:58
  Mike Angus: It's loud guitars, it's this beat.
• 1:25:01
  Mike Angus: And it's, and I think the reason I ended up singing it in the studio is because the first 25 times that we ran through it together, I was like, just let me sing and I'll show you guys what my vision is.
• 1:25:15
  Mike Angus: I'm like, this is how I'm hearing it.
• 1:25:17
  Mike Angus: So you tell me what you think.
• 1:25:19
  Mike Angus: And then by the time we, we were done, it was just like, yeah, yeah, that is, that's probably how it should be.
• 1:25:26
  Mike Angus: That's a take.
• 1:25:26
  Mike Angus: And we were, we were used to me doing the vocal.
• 1:25:30
  Mike Angus: I don't think I even really remember asking you if I should sing the vocal, like, but fine.
• 1:25:36
  Mike Angus: But I, I remember, I remember having really, really strong opinions about that song when we started working on it.
• 1:25:42
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Glen Erickson: And uh, which was typically at the loudest song in our set quite often.
• 1:25:48
  Glen Erickson: Yes.
• 1:25:48
  Glen Erickson: So, yeah.
• 1:25:49
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:25:49
  Glen Erickson: Oh yeah.
• 1:25:50
  Mike Angus: And then I think about like, we did, um, blurred lines a couple of times for our shows.
• 1:25:55
  Mike Angus: Which reunion?
• 1:25:56
  Mike Angus: The second reunion,
• 1:25:57
  Glen Erickson: yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Glen Erickson: And show.
• 1:25:59
  Glen Erickson: Well, you wrote and then you brought it to the band.
• 1:26:00
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Glen Erickson: And I'm cutting you off for a quick second to caveat that you used this specific phrasing.
• 1:26:07
  Glen Erickson: I, let's.
• 1:26:09
  Glen Erickson: Let's wheat pool this thing.
• 1:26:10
  Glen Erickson: In other words, it's everything you guys just said, like what you said about geographic, which is like, I used to have this nice soft recording and then the band absolutely blew it up.
• 1:26:19
  Glen Erickson: Totally.
• 1:26:19
  Glen Erickson: Which is what we did.
• 1:26:20
  Glen Erickson: Blurred lines.
• 1:26:21
  Glen Erickson: I
• 1:26:21
  Mike Angus: think I, I played a couple of solo shows and I intentionally played it like, as if it was from Ryan and Adam's heartbreaker, like just really quiet.
• 1:26:30
  Mike Angus: And I love that I could do that like almost Bob Dylan style picking thing for it, and it, it could translate, but then I knew when I'd bring it in for you guys that I was like, let's, let's do what we do best.
• 1:26:41
  Mike Angus: And I think there, I mean there's a big gap between Circle is small and blurred lines, obviously 15 years.
• 1:26:49
  Mike Angus: So I dunno if it's a fair conversation, but I, the thing I loved about that is that we worked it and worked it and we kept whittling away at being like, let's make this the most interestingly concise rock song that we can, it's punchy.
• 1:27:00
  Mike Angus: Let's put this here.
• 1:27:01
  Mike Angus: And it came together really quickly in a really interesting way.
• 1:27:05
  Glen Erickson: Well been 15 years.
• 1:27:06
  Glen Erickson: Let's, let's make a point of that for a second, Mike, because I think that's an interesting point unrelated to what Brandy's asking, which is like what evolution would've been next.
• 1:27:16
  Glen Erickson: The fact that we're basically saying here we for sure we're gonna go heavier and louder.
• 1:27:23
  Glen Erickson: Um, and then we end in 2012, right?
• 1:27:27
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:27:28
  Glen Erickson: And then both at the 2015 and 2019 reunion shows, I remember.
• 1:27:32
  Glen Erickson: It so interesting that people would say, people who had watched us from the very beginning said, you guys sound better now than you ever did.
• 1:27:40
  Glen Erickson: Like, we practiced hard, really hard for those shows.
• 1:27:43
  Glen Erickson: We had become better musicians.
• 1:27:46
  Glen Erickson: Like, uh, a lot of us were playing.
• 1:27:48
  Glen Erickson: I know Robbie had had a lot more experience with the Dungaree at a level of professionalism and a lot of your gigs that were, you know, pretty high and, and you brought that to us anyhow, like, so we a pulled that off, but, but doing blurred lines.
• 1:28:03
  Glen Erickson: Mike, it's interesting to me that that's 2019, so seven years later it's like, we picked up where we left off with wanting to make a rock song essentially, right?
• 1:28:16
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Mike Angus: And it felt so concise and so punchy and we whittled away.
• 1:28:21
  Mike Angus: It was like the antithesis of, of 2005 Wheat pool where we were trying to stretch these songs into road trip songs.
• 1:28:28
  Mike Angus: We took the song, we were like, let's make it this perfect little rock gem.
• 1:28:33
  Mike Angus: I remember we opened with like the bridge, we put the bridge, your guitar riff from the bridge in there, and then right into the lyrics and then right into the chorus, and then a quick punchy bridge again, and then a great mm-hmm.
• 1:28:46
  Mike Angus: And didn't we do like, like the Matthew Sweet finish on it too, where we stopped and then we restarted.
• 1:28:52
  Mike Angus: Yeah, totally.
• 1:28:53
  Mike Angus: We did.
• 1:28:53
  Mike Angus: Just to be completely cheeky.
• 1:28:55
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 1:28:56
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 1:28:57
  Glen Erickson: So it's funny how we keep doing this.
• 1:28:58
  Glen Erickson: No, you're totally right.
• 1:29:00
  Glen Erickson: Well, two things.
• 1:29:00
  Glen Erickson: I have the recording where I just put my iPhone down in the Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Glen Erickson: Totally in the room.
• 1:29:05
  Glen Erickson: And it was closest to Stefan.
• 1:29:07
  Glen Erickson: And so Stefan did this like,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: yeah.
• 1:29:11
  Glen Erickson: And there's a crackle on Snap because it's distorting too close to my phone.
• 1:29:17
  Glen Erickson: Overdr though.
• 1:29:17
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Glen Erickson: At the start.
• 1:29:18
  Glen Erickson: That sounds so good.
• 1:29:19
  Glen Erickson: So if we were ever record that, I would be like, we unmistakably.
• 1:29:22
  Glen Erickson: That has to be the sound to start this song off.
• 1:29:25
  Glen Erickson: It's so good.
• 1:29:26
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:29:26
  Glen Erickson: That drum tone.
• 1:29:27
  Glen Erickson: But we actually do have a question about do you still have song ideas around that you'd like to finish and or record perform together?
• 1:29:38
  Glen Erickson: And I think we've always talked about whether we wish that we had gotten those songs.
• 1:29:42
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  Glen Erickson: I mean, recorded and out.
• 1:29:43
  Glen Erickson: I,
• 1:29:44
  Mike Angus: I don't write too much on my own anymore.
• 1:29:47
  Mike Angus: Um, which that's all I used to do when we were together as a band.
• 1:29:52
  Mike Angus: Like I only wrote on my own.
• 1:29:54
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah, there's little bits and pieces and chunks here that I think are a good fit for our project.
• 1:30:02
  Mike Angus: Um, but I don't actively do it.
• 1:30:05
  Mike Angus: Like, I'm not like, I gotta write this week, I gotta write this week.
• 1:30:08
  Mike Angus: Kinda like when you're in an album cycle, you feel that way.
• 1:30:12
  Mike Angus: Um, but, uh, I mean, we do have a few songs that I don't think we've ever played that we've toyed around with that are kind of bits and pieces, like when we did the first reunion.
• 1:30:24
  Mike Angus: I think Mike, you showed up with two new ones and I think maybe we only played one, but
• 1:30:29
  Glen Erickson: that's true.
• 1:30:29
  Glen Erickson: Um, we, we toyed around with one quieter one.
• 1:30:32
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Glen Erickson: In, uh, in your living room.
• 1:30:34
  Glen Erickson: I remember that.
• 1:30:35
  Glen Erickson: Yep.
• 1:30:35
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Mike Angus: I mean, I've got some, um, I do wanna play again.
• 1:30:42
  Mike Angus: Like I would love to play more shows together and, you know, if we had a timeline on that, I definitely would flesh out, uh, more of the ideas I have and would want to nudge him to flesh out more of his.
• 1:30:55
  Mike Angus: For sure.
• 1:30:56
  Mike Angus: Well,
• 1:30:56
  Glen Erickson: every other person who asked a question included in extra question, which is, when is the reunion tour?
• 1:31:03
  Glen Erickson: Um, so it's funny that you say that.
• 1:31:06
  Glen Erickson: 'cause I had to ask that question whether it was, uh, cheeky or what it was.
• 1:31:11
  Glen Erickson: I think, uh, we're some people that we know and love well,
• 1:31:15
  Mike Angus: we're, which is nice.
• 1:31:16
  Glen Erickson: Ross done.
• 1:31:17
  Glen Erickson: He's like, no.
• 1:31:19
  Glen Erickson: Um, he's taking the fifth anyhow.
• 1:31:21
  Glen Erickson: He's outta here.
• 1:31:21
  Glen Erickson: Um, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:31:23
  Glen Erickson: I guess that's, uh, no, it's, it's
• 1:31:25
  Mike Angus: good that we're all, we're all in the same continent again, which is nice.
• 1:31:27
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Glen Erickson: It's true.
• 1:31:30
  Glen Erickson: I'll be honest, like I got asked this question not that long ago and my answer was, I don't think it's gonna happen again.
• 1:31:38
  Glen Erickson: I'm being really transparent.
• 1:31:39
  Glen Erickson: Um, how much money, that's the question we asked in 2019.
• 1:31:44
  Glen Erickson: Um.
• 1:31:45
  Glen Erickson: Which was kind of funny.
• 1:31:46
  Glen Erickson: Worth.
• 1:31:47
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, totally.
• 1:31:47
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:31:47
  Glen Erickson: We asked that question, but, uh, that I asked it more because I was like, someone's like saying I'll pay you this much to come play this place, and I don't even like the place very much that we were being offered to play in.
• 1:31:58
  Glen Erickson: And I'm like, I know how to run a show.
• 1:31:59
  Glen Erickson: I'll run our own show out of a venue that I, I know that we can connect with an audience better.
• 1:32:05
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:32:05
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:32:06
  Glen Erickson: And then we'll make a hundred percent of the money off of it.
• 1:32:09
  Glen Erickson: Which, um, let's be honest, we did okay on those two reunion shows.
• 1:32:17
  Glen Erickson: I used to joke that it was
• 1:32:18
  Mike Angus: like those reunion shows were so great because people showed up, we sold out, they bought merch and they sang along.
• 1:32:24
  Mike Angus: That's four things that never happened.
• 1:32:26
  Mike Angus: What a dream we were touring.
• 1:32:29
  Mike Angus: It also reminded me not to
• 1:32:30
  Glen Erickson: be so critical when Glass Tiger keeps playing the White court casino over and over touring around those.
• 1:32:37
  Glen Erickson: I'm like, if they can bring out a room full of people who will sing along to their songs, like they're feeling something I'm not getting to feel right now, so I can't hold it against them.
• 1:32:47
  Glen Erickson: But I don't know, like, it's interesting.
• 1:32:49
  Glen Erickson: I'm always interested whether you guys think about playing another show together the first time.
• 1:32:56
  Glen Erickson: If people don't know Rob, when we broke up, set a moratorium of five years before bands are allowed to play a reunion show.
• 1:33:05
  Glen Erickson: Otherwise, it, I don't know what you said.
• 1:33:06
  Glen Erickson: It just looked.
• 1:33:08
  Glen Erickson: Bad or it is just a shitty move or whatever it was.
• 1:33:10
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:33:10
  Glen Erickson: It's just
• 1:33:11
  Mike Angus: like getting back together with your ex too soon.
• 1:33:12
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:33:13
  Mike Angus: It just seemed kind of needy.
• 1:33:15
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Mike Angus: Five years.
• 1:33:16
  Mike Angus: Five years is a little needy.
• 1:33:17
  Glen Erickson: But you were the one who first sent the text out in the group chat when five years had passed and asked what we thought about it.
• 1:33:24
  Glen Erickson: So I thought that was pretty awesome.
• 1:33:26
  Mike Angus: I don't think we ever stopped playing'cause we didn't wanna play music anymore.
• 1:33:30
  Mike Angus: Um, and actually there was a, a question that came in about how did we arrive at this discussion.
• 1:33:36
  Mike Angus: It wasn't'cause we were sick of each other.
• 1:33:37
  Mike Angus: It wasn't'cause um, it was more of a bigger discussion about to continue.
• 1:33:42
  Mike Angus: What did the, you know, what did a, an album cycle involve as far as time travel away from families writing a whole new album and where were we at?
• 1:33:52
  Mike Angus: Yeah, so I mean that was,
• 1:33:56
  Glen Erickson: um, I remember it by the way, we were in Royal Pizza, uh, yeah.
• 1:33:59
  Glen Erickson: Just off white out white out area before I, after sound check
• 1:34:02
  Mike Angus: at the Pawn Shop.
• 1:34:03
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Mike Angus: Sound show.
• 1:34:04
  Mike Angus: That night
• 1:34:05
  Glen Erickson: night,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: we didn't
• 1:34:06
  Mike Angus: even do the, it wasn't the Pawn shop.
• 1:34:07
  Mike Angus: I think it was that charity gig, wasnt
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: it?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: Break Up is the black dog.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: You don't break up the Royal Pizza,
• 1:34:17
  Glen Erickson: Mike.
• 1:34:18
  Glen Erickson: So it
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: was, it was like a,
• 1:34:21
  Glen Erickson: I always thought it was that charity gig we did.
• 1:34:23
  Glen Erickson: The Helping Kids one that we went and played.
• 1:34:26
  Glen Erickson: And those were, despite that you're participating in a charity, they still felt a little soul sucking, if I'm being totally honest.
• 1:34:33
  Glen Erickson: But, um, what's a charity?
• 1:34:34
  Glen Erickson: I remember the conversation.
• 1:34:37
  Glen Erickson: Being that it was very pragmatic
• 1:34:40
  Robb Angus: and, and just opened.
• 1:34:41
  Robb Angus: Yeah.
• 1:34:41
  Robb Angus: I had been
• 1:34:42
  Glen Erickson: doing the business part of the band quite a bit of it for a long time, and I said, it's been two years since the last record.
• 1:34:50
  Glen Erickson: Like, we need to, like, the next thing we know what the next thing is.
• 1:34:53
  Glen Erickson: Right?
• 1:34:54
  Glen Erickson: I was running 18 month cycles on those albums.
• 1:34:57
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:34:57
  Glen Erickson: It's trying to stretch'em out at least that long.
• 1:34:59
  Glen Erickson: And that's a long time.
• 1:35:01
  Glen Erickson: And I remember, Rob, if you remember it this way, I'm wondering, I remember you questioning like whether it's gonna happen almost like, you know, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm passed up in the first round in the NHL draft, like you stopped believing maybe whether you'll get drafted at all.
• 1:35:19
  Glen Erickson: And we sort of felt like we had been introduced to a lot of people and everybody kept telling us, you guys are awesome.
• 1:35:27
  Glen Erickson: Right?
• 1:35:27
  Glen Erickson: Like, when, you know, you guys are gonna totally make it.
• 1:35:30
  Glen Erickson: Or like, we had a lot of people pumping our tires for seven years and I remember your sentiment of like, I'm not sure it's gonna happen.
• 1:35:39
  Glen Erickson: And I, and I think I raised the question of, I think I've said this to you guys before, I hope I have otherwise this, I don't know what this will sound like, but, um, I, uh, I remember regretting in a way asking the question like, oh right, do we wanna still do this then?
• 1:35:58
  Glen Erickson: But I asked it there,
• 1:36:00
  Mike Angus: you know.
• 1:36:00
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Mike Angus: You know, and I was, I was thinking about.
• 1:36:02
  Mike Angus: The moment you're describing.
• 1:36:04
  Mike Angus: I mean, I've thought about a lot and I was thinking about it a lot this week, and I think the sort of the heart of it is that, and I don't think we ever talked about this and, and probably I, I would imagine other bands experience this too, but I remember feeling a lot of heartbreak that, and everybody loves their own music and everybody loves their first album.
• 1:36:26
  Mike Angus: I thought we made a, a great first album for a band, for a first album.
• 1:36:32
  Mike Angus: I thought we made a great first album.
• 1:36:34
  Mike Angus: And then the challenge for a young band is, can you make a second good album to me in my heart, the second album is better than the first album.
• 1:36:44
  Mike Angus: And I thought, I thought the songs in the second album were deeper and darker and richer, and I thought the second album blew the first album out of the water.
• 1:36:56
  Mike Angus: And, and this is probably like a function of being like the creative type and an artist type, but I know I was pretty hurt that it didn't, which it sounds ridiculous to say I was hurt, but like I was hurt that it, it, it didn't, it didn't move forward to the, the places I had I had dreamed of.
• 1:37:21
  Mike Angus: That's not ridiculous, by the way.
• 1:37:22
  Mike Angus: We, we had done two albums that I, I loved and I was so proud of and so to talk about, okay, are we gonna do a third album?
• 1:37:32
  Mike Angus: It's gonna mean this much time in the studio, this much time pumping it, this too much time on the road, this much time, you know?
• 1:37:39
  Mike Angus: And yeah, Glenn, you shouldn't feel, uh, regret for asking that question because it was totally respectful and fair of all of our lives at that time.
• 1:37:51
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:37:51
  Mike Angus: Do we have the gas for this?
• 1:37:52
  Mike Angus: Do we have the energy for it?
• 1:37:54
  Mike Angus: Um, and for me, I think the crux of the decision was, I was kind of heartbroken that I believed in it so much and so many other people seemed to, but the industry didn't seem to, I don't know why.
• 1:38:11
  Mike Angus: Uh, well, I have thoughts on that, but that's another whole other podcast.
• 1:38:16
  Mike Angus: But we weren't, and some of them, some of them lie on our side of the table without question.
• 1:38:19
  Mike Angus: Without question.
• 1:38:20
  Mike Angus: Yes.
• 1:38:20
  Mike Angus: Sure.
• 1:38:20
  Mike Angus: I'm not saying we were flawless in the industry, but No, no.
• 1:38:25
  Mike Angus: A a big part of it, at least with me and I speak only for me, is I was, when you asked us that question, I was comfortable kind of asserting my heartbreak about
• 1:38:37
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  Mike Angus: Where, where we were at that point and were we ever gonna get over the hump.
• 1:38:41
  Glen Erickson: And I think my response was, and I'm interested in what your other, the other of you were thinking as well in the response.
• 1:38:49
  Glen Erickson: I just know for me, maybe I wasn't prepared for that.
• 1:38:53
  Glen Erickson: So maybe I'm not using the word regret properly to name that emotion, that response as much as.
• 1:39:00
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, maybe I just wasn't prepared that that was actually the truth.
• 1:39:04
  Glen Erickson: And you know, it's almost like your hard conversation with a, you know, someone you're dating or whatever, when you ask the question like, are we what we think we are?
• 1:39:12
  Glen Erickson: And, and for me, like just being at the later stage of life and uh, I just thought, if these guys don't have their heart in it, how am I going to go, like, pour myself out again for 18 months?
• 1:39:25
  Glen Erickson: And, and I was carrying something as immediate as we had come off the road, um, that spring.
• 1:39:32
  Glen Erickson: I think we had done the whole, um, when we'd go out for, uh, north by Northeast or whatever it was, and then try to do that whole run of Ontario shows again and stuff.
• 1:39:43
  Glen Erickson: And I remember coming home and Lexi, who was on earlier was seven, and just picking her up when I get into the house and that great moment of seeing my girl again, um, and her asking if I'm, I'm, if I'm done leaving, are you gonna not go away anymore?
• 1:40:00
  Glen Erickson: And like, that was pretty hard.
• 1:40:04
  Glen Erickson: And I think when, when I look back, I think that just imprinted itself where I was like, am I able to still do this if these guys aren't all the way in it, you know?
• 1:40:17
  Mike Angus: Well, I remember there were so many times where we'd be rehearsing or we'd be playing a show somewhere and Glen, you'd say, oh, I'm missing.
• 1:40:27
  Mike Angus: Um, your son's first hockey, you hockey stuff for school or I've been saying a birthday party or, and I remember thinking about, okay, we need to commit to two more years if we're gonna do a third record.
• 1:40:40
  Mike Angus: And I had my own life outside of the band that was really picking up and nice in a, in a way that I had never had before.
• 1:40:51
  Mike Angus: Um, I was met someone that I was intending to marry and like I wanted for the first time in my life, like a stable relationship with a mortgage and the white picket fence and like all these things.
• 1:41:05
  Mike Angus: 'cause when you're a musician growing up, you sleep on floors and you don't really have steady source of income and you're making all these sacrifices.
• 1:41:12
  Mike Angus: And I think we were all quite happy to do that for those, for that period.
• 1:41:17
  Mike Angus: Um, those early formative years, we were like, everything's exciting.
• 1:41:21
  Mike Angus: And you're just like, okay, yeah, I don't need a mortgage.
• 1:41:23
  Mike Angus: I'll just pay rent when I can and yada, yada yada.
• 1:41:26
  Mike Angus: And I, I had a point in my life where I was like excited about how my life and people would pull me aside and be like, man, I would do anything to have your life.
• 1:41:32
  Mike Angus: I don't want the white picket fence and the mortgage and all this stuff.
• 1:41:35
  Mike Angus: It's boring.
• 1:41:36
  Mike Angus: Like, you should be a rock star and stay a rock star.
• 1:41:39
  Mike Angus: So I had, first time in my life I was kind of seduced by this idea of like some stability and other things that I wanted for my life outside of the band.
• 1:41:47
  Mike Angus: And I thought about like what you guys were, you and Stephan were having sacrifice with having families and kids and these things, and it didn't feel.
• 1:41:55
  Mike Angus: Fair for me to not let you know how I was feeling, which is like, I don't feel like my heart's a hundred percent at at the expense of you guys missing birthday parties and first hockey games and your kids' first goals and stuff like that.
• 1:42:08
  Mike Angus: So that, I think that was part of the conversation where maybe it was like, oh, uh, maybe I should, shouldn't have asked.
• 1:42:15
  Mike Angus: I wasn't like quite ready for that answer.
• 1:42:17
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah, but I think it was like it's part a business decision, but it was also part sort of like that awkward breakup.
• 1:42:26
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:42:26
  Mike Angus: I
• 1:42:27
  Glen Erickson: mean if I, and retrospect is what it is.
• 1:42:31
  Glen Erickson: So I should first of all preface like I don't regret any of our decisions.
• 1:42:38
  Glen Erickson: Um, the fact that we still have our text group chat and I probably count you guys my best friends in the world that I would turn to prefer to spend time with over almost anyone, um, is like the thing that came out of it that I, you know, the rest of the stuff doesn't matter as much.
• 1:42:57
  Glen Erickson: I think looking back, I realize,'cause I've spent a lot of time coaching bands and trying to develop bands and studying the industry and learning that the hardest thing is to just keep going, right?
• 1:43:08
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:09
  Glen Erickson: The easiest thing is to stop.
• 1:43:11
  Glen Erickson: And I do think what colors my perception of it probably is.
• 1:43:16
  Glen Erickson: I think if we had kept going, we probably would've.
• 1:43:20
  Glen Erickson: It done really well.
• 1:43:22
  Glen Erickson: I really believe we probably, now knowing what I know.
• 1:43:25
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, but you don't know that.
• 1:43:26
  Glen Erickson: You don't know that then.
• 1:43:27
  Glen Erickson: Huh?
• 1:43:27
  Glen Erickson: Now knowing, now knowing what I know, I think we would've broke through.
• 1:43:31
  Glen Erickson: Like, it just needed perseverance.
• 1:43:34
  Glen Erickson: Like everything we did came out the way we wanted it to be.
• 1:43:38
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:39
  Glen Erickson: And we were always proud of it, and we were always unified in it all.
• 1:43:43
  Glen Erickson: And those are things that even bands succeeding don't have, um, in spades like we did anyhow.
• 1:43:50
  Glen Erickson: Like, so the, all the things I've learned looking back, I'm like, like my kids are, are, my kids are okay.
• 1:43:57
  Glen Erickson: Like, they're great kids.
• 1:43:58
  Glen Erickson: Like they're great kids.
• 1:43:59
  Glen Erickson: You know what I mean?
• 1:44:00
  Glen Erickson: We, uh, like, I like Lexi.
• 1:44:03
  Glen Erickson: You got him to university.
• 1:44:05
  Glen Erickson: Lexi.
• 1:44:06
  Glen Erickson: Lexi would've been fine.
• 1:44:07
  Glen Erickson: Like kale's going to grad school in Australia, by the way, Rob, so,
• 1:44:11
  Robb Angus: oh, okay.
• 1:44:12
  Robb Angus: Yeah.
• 1:44:13
  Glen Erickson: So, oh yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 1:44:14
  Glen Erickson: That's cool.
• 1:44:15
  Glen Erickson: Perf right?
• 1:44:16
  Robb Angus: He's gonna perf
• 1:44:17
  Glen Erickson: No, he is gonna Adelaide,
• 1:44:18
  Robb Angus: Adelaide.
• 1:44:18
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, same ack.
• 1:44:20
  Glen Erickson: So same sack.
• 1:44:21
  Glen Erickson: And, uh, anyhow, that's retro.
• 1:44:23
  Glen Erickson: That's, that's incredible.
• 1:44:23
  Glen Erickson: That's cool.
• 1:44:23
  Glen Erickson: That's retrospect, right?
• 1:44:25
  Glen Erickson: But, um, again, like I, you can't change any of that kinda stuff.
• 1:44:29
  Glen Erickson: Life happens the way it was gonna happen, but I think, um, I don't know.
• 1:44:33
  Glen Erickson: Stefan, I'm curious about your take on it and I'll tell you why.
• 1:44:36
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 1:44:37
  Glen Erickson: Is'cause you had this like, you know, the coolest guy in school is always the one who genuinely, actually doesn't care about anything else.
• 1:44:46
  Glen Erickson: That's why Steph's always been the coolest guy in the band.
• 1:44:48
  Glen Erickson: You guys, I think that you guys might maybe agree with me, but, uh, no, this is heartbreaking for me.
• 1:44:54
  Glen Erickson: I thought, no, what I love coolest, Rob thought it was him.
• 1:44:57
  Glen Erickson: Um, all this time what I, what I wanna say about it is, uh, like I cared about all the other, I cared about all the other bullshit.
• 1:45:08
  Glen Erickson: I, I cared about the business stuff.
• 1:45:10
  Glen Erickson: I cared about all the little details that it had to do to promote a band to, you know, get attention to all the, all this stuff.
• 1:45:18
  Glen Erickson: I cared about all that stuff so much.
• 1:45:20
  Glen Erickson: And you cared about it.
• 1:45:21
  Glen Erickson: None.
• 1:45:21
  Glen Erickson: You just loved showing up, playing and hanging out with us, which was so pure and so different than the place I was at.
• 1:45:31
  Glen Erickson: Um, so I'm just curious sort of how you looked at that whole time and coming out of it.
• 1:45:38
  Stephane Dagenais: Um, you know, I think that it was like, looking back at that, I think it was a.
• 1:45:45
  Stephane Dagenais: The confluence of real and perceived external pressures, uh, about continuing and feeling like maybe, and I'm not kidding, maybe I was like the part that was holding the whole works back.
• 1:46:04
  Stephane Dagenais: So kind of going like, I feel like I might get nickel backed here at any point.
• 1:46:10
  Stephane Dagenais: So, so I should probably, I I
• 1:46:13
  Mike Angus: don't, I don't think there was ever a conversation about another drummer ever.
• 1:46:18
  Mike Angus: No, no.
• 1:46:19
  Mike Angus: The
• 1:46:19
  Glen Erickson: conversation actually was, I remember Mike saying this isn't a, this isn't the we pool unless Stefan's part of it.
• 1:46:25
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:46:26
  Stephane Dagenais: No, yeah, it's not.
• 1:46:28
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:46:28
  Stephane Dagenais: Well, I, that's awesome to hear and I appreciate it, but it's kind of like, um, I, I, yeah, I had a feeling like I didn't contribute to the same extent.
• 1:46:42
  Stephane Dagenais: So, you know, I honestly, I was like, if these guys can go on and do something beyond this, uh, without me, then I mean that's the right thing to do.
• 1:46:56
  Stephane Dagenais: Not that I did not wanna be part of it, but, and when we were talking earlier about what do you think the sound would've evolved into?
• 1:47:05
  Stephane Dagenais: Had we carried on and I was part of it, I think I would've probably been wanting to.
• 1:47:15
  Stephane Dagenais: Go more circle this small kind of vibe.
• 1:47:17
  Stephane Dagenais: Mm-hmm.
• 1:47:18
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah, me too.
• 1:47:18
  Stephane Dagenais: On the drums.
• 1:47:19
  Mike Angus: Like, how loud could we get all of us?
• 1:47:21
  Mike Angus: That was so good.
• 1:47:22
  Mike Angus: Well, just like, and it's not like we weren't a loud band before that.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:47:26
  Mike Angus: That's what's so funny about it.
• 1:47:27
  Mike Angus: No, that's amazing.
• 1:47:31
  Mike Angus: Loud, proud.
• 1:47:32
  Mike Angus: I mean, yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Mike Angus: So, oh, that's so funny to hear you say that.
• 1:47:35
  Mike Angus: Like, I don't think I, there was ever a four seconds in my life, here's the whole time we were together where I, I thought, yeah, you weren't gonna be the guy moving forward.
• 1:47:45
  Stephane Dagenais: Well,
• 1:47:45
  Mike Angus: here's the thing
• 1:47:45
  Stephane Dagenais: too, Stefan, I just wanted to be the solid guy.
• 1:47:47
  Stephane Dagenais: That's why.
• 1:47:48
  Stephane Dagenais: Well, you were, this is the thing.
• 1:47:50
  Glen Erickson: I didn't need you to do any of all.
• 1:47:52
  Glen Erickson: I love doing all the business shit.
• 1:47:54
  Glen Erickson: Like I didn't want you to do that.
• 1:47:55
  Glen Erickson: I, what I loved was when I stepped into the rehearsal room and picked up the guitar, all that other shit always disappeared because I was with like three other guys who cared more about what happened between the four of us in that moment than any other part of the entire thing.
• 1:48:14
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:15
  Glen Erickson: Is the way I perceived it.
• 1:48:16
  Glen Erickson: And you, like I just described, I felt you held that down.
• 1:48:19
  Glen Erickson: Like you wouldn't let anybody get away with their shit ever.
• 1:48:22
  Glen Erickson: And Yeah.
• 1:48:25
  Glen Erickson: Thanks for that.
• 1:48:26
  Glen Erickson: I'm Ben.
• 1:48:27
  Glen Erickson: Thanks dad.
• 1:48:30
  Glen Erickson: Love you, dad.
• 1:48:30
  Glen Erickson: Well, it's just a different kind of love, man.
• 1:48:34
  Glen Erickson: Fucking Magellan.
• 1:48:35
  Glen Erickson: Um, yeah, anyhow, that's, that's an interesting take.
• 1:48:40
  Glen Erickson: Uh, and after having
• 1:48:42
  Stephane Dagenais: my, uh, my, my morning advances rebuffed in a hotel in, uh, Mississauga, Ontario, so long ago, is that where that was?
• 1:48:50
  Stephane Dagenais: I really, I mean after that point I was kind of like,
• 1:48:54
  Robb Angus: we should probably tell this story then.
• 1:48:59
  Stephane Dagenais: One of my favorite memories ever.
• 1:49:02
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 1:49:02
  Stephane Dagenais: Of any band moment.
• 1:49:03
  Stephane Dagenais: We were in Mississauga.
• 1:49:05
  Stephane Dagenais: I mean, I would never have remembered where that
• 1:49:07
  Mike Angus: was, but
• 1:49:08
  Stephane Dagenais: I'm pretty sure it was the night before we were flying back.
• 1:49:11
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:49:12
  Mike Angus: And, and you and I shared a bed that night.
• 1:49:14
  Mike Angus: It was your last chance.
• 1:49:15
  Mike Angus: Hey.
• 1:49:15
  Mike Angus: Which I don't think happened a lot.
• 1:49:17
  Mike Angus: I think Mike and I teamed up a lot.
• 1:49:19
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:49:19
  Mike Angus: 'cause we're brothers.
• 1:49:20
  Mike Angus: That's right.
• 1:49:20
  Mike Angus: So why you and I would've been sharing a bed that night?
• 1:49:23
  Mike Angus: I have no idea.
• 1:49:24
  Mike Angus: No idea.
• 1:49:24
  Mike Angus: Something must have happened.
• 1:49:27
  Mike Angus: Rift.
• 1:49:28
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Mike Angus: A rift or maybe some bad, uh, papaya or something at a restaurant, I don't know.
• 1:49:34
  Mike Angus: But, uh, we weren't sharing a bed, but you and I were sharing a bed stuff and uh, it was early in the morning, at least for a band.
• 1:49:43
  Mike Angus: It was maybe eight, nine in the morning and you rolled over.
• 1:49:48
  Mike Angus: And kind of draped your arm across me.
• 1:49:51
  Mike Angus: And then your other hand scooped underneath.
• 1:49:53
  Mike Angus: And so gently caressed my Botox.
• 1:50:04
  Mike Angus: And it woke me up.
• 1:50:05
  Mike Angus: It woke me up and I remember thinking like, where am I?
• 1:50:09
  Mike Angus: Am I a hold, I'm in a hotel Who's grabbing my ass?
• 1:50:12
  Mike Angus: Whose arm was across my chest?
• 1:50:15
  Mike Angus: And I looked across at the other bed and it wasn't Mike and it wasn't,
• 1:50:21
  Stephane Dagenais: and the only thing I said was, whoops, those aren't pillows.
• 1:50:29
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:50:30
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh, no, Rob's, that's a great moment.
• 1:50:31
  Stephane Dagenais: I think, I think Rob's, Rob's comment to my whoops was, that's okay, you can buy me breakfast later.
• 1:50:44
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh my goodness.
• 1:50:44
  Stephane Dagenais: Oh man.
• 1:50:44
  Glen Erickson: That's funny.
• 1:50:45
  Glen Erickson: Well, I mean, Brent, Oliver actually had piped into some questions, guys, and one of, he had, uh, his serious question was the band had seemed to reach a certain amount of momentum in its prime.
• 1:50:55
  Glen Erickson: Was there a conscious decision to make either a decision to go for it or to look at other paths?
• 1:51:01
  Glen Erickson: I think he's asking the question like, did we hit like a real cr Like we, maybe it looks on the outside, like we hit a crossroads for a decision rather than the way a lot of bands just peter out.
• 1:51:12
  Glen Erickson: You know what I mean?
• 1:51:13
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:51:13
  Glen Erickson: And play less and less.
• 1:51:14
  Glen Erickson: And I think.
• 1:51:17
  Glen Erickson: I think we already answered that by saying we just took the crossroads head on and we decided Yeah.
• 1:51:22
  Glen Erickson: And we even used the language right.
• 1:51:23
  Glen Erickson: About the Neil Young language about we'd rather, um, not fade, burn, and fade away.
• 1:51:29
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:51:30
  Glen Erickson: Our burnout Yeah.
• 1:51:31
  Glen Erickson: Than fade away.
• 1:51:31
  Glen Erickson: It was definitely
• 1:51:32
  Mike Angus: an on point decision.
• 1:51:33
  Mike Angus: And there was a couple of people that submitted questions asking something similar.
• 1:51:37
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Mike Angus: It was for certain an on point decision and it wasn't like an ugly one.
• 1:51:43
  Mike Angus: It wasn't, you know.
• 1:51:45
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:51:45
  Mike Angus: Um, I, I, I think we really looked at it pragmatically and we openly discussed where we all were and what it was gonna look like the next, you know, what the roadmap of it was gonna be.
• 1:51:56
  Mike Angus: And it wasn't an easy decision.
• 1:52:00
  Mike Angus: Like it wasn't a, it wasn't without like heartache.
• 1:52:04
  Mike Angus: Um, but I think we were, even though it was difficult, I think we were a, had a fair amount of peace to it
• 1:52:16
  Glen Erickson: with Yeah, I'd agree.
• 1:52:18
  Glen Erickson: I'd agree.
• 1:52:19
  Glen Erickson: Um, well, Brent also asked a silly question by the way.
• 1:52:23
  Glen Erickson: He asks if we feel like we were ahead of the curve on mustaches.
• 1:52:26
  Glen Erickson: And the answer obviously is Hell yes.
• 1:52:30
  Glen Erickson: We can grow.
• 1:52:31
  Glen Erickson: Well, not just that.
• 1:52:32
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:52:32
  Glen Erickson: We started, we started mustache parties.
• 1:52:35
  Glen Erickson: We did, yeah.
• 1:52:36
  Glen Erickson: Before November came around.
• 1:52:38
  Glen Erickson: Do you remember that?
• 1:52:39
  Glen Erickson: Long before
• 1:52:39
  Mike Angus: November?
• 1:52:39
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:52:39
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:52:39
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:52:40
  Mike Angus: In fact, um.
• 1:52:42
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:52:43
  Mike Angus: We never did another mustache party after November.
• 1:52:47
  Mike Angus: November Became a thing.
• 1:52:49
  Mike Angus: Out of respect.
• 1:52:49
  Glen Erickson: Out of respect.
• 1:52:50
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:52:50
  Glen Erickson: And people should know Mike could grow the most incredible Borat, uh, to the degree that you showed up one year in, uh, I think like a pale blue suit like Borat with, with uh, and the microphone.
• 1:53:04
  Glen Erickson: What a glorious Oh yeah.
• 1:53:05
  Glen Erickson: We wore st suits.
• 1:53:07
  Glen Erickson: We wore suits one year.
• 1:53:08
  Glen Erickson: Anyway, we would have for those.
• 1:53:10
  Mike Angus: I had, like, I had my afro at the time too.
• 1:53:12
  Mike Angus: Yeah, you,
• 1:53:12
  Glen Erickson: you teased it out curl.
• 1:53:13
  Glen Erickson: It was beautiful, like curly hair.
• 1:53:14
  Glen Erickson: We would do these mustache parties and it was basically like a look like 25 guys there, a bar crawl.
• 1:53:19
  Glen Erickson: Right.
• 1:53:19
  Glen Erickson: We would just kind of go from bar to bar to bar and it just show up.
• 1:53:22
  Glen Erickson: And there were strict rules up, like
• 1:53:23
  Mike Angus: it, like no fu man shoe.
• 1:53:25
  Mike Angus: Like it had to end at the side.
• 1:53:27
  Mike Angus: And this is like early two thousands.
• 1:53:29
  Mike Angus: So the mustache wasn't back.
• 1:53:30
  Mike Angus: There were specific rules.
• 1:53:31
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 1:53:31
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:53:32
  Mike Angus: It wasn't
• 1:53:33
  Glen Erickson: ironic.
• 1:53:34
  Glen Erickson: It wasn't.
• 1:53:34
  Glen Erickson: And then my joy as a, as a married man, my joy was to see, like we, we'd hit some bar, just absolutely take it over 25 dudes in mustaches, which was not, it would shock even ironic back then.
• 1:53:46
  Glen Erickson: Shocking a lot.
• 1:53:46
  Glen Erickson: And, and my favorite was like the, the guys with the cahones to still try to get some phone numbers.
• 1:53:54
  Glen Erickson: Wheel women.
• 1:53:55
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:53:55
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:53:56
  Glen Erickson: And,
• 1:53:56
  Mike Angus: and Brent, Oliver would've been at many of those, uh, yes.
• 1:53:59
  Mike Angus: Absolutely.
• 1:53:59
  Mike Angus: Annual parties.
• 1:54:00
  Mike Angus: Absolutely.
• 1:54:00
  Mike Angus: When he would've pushed out a beautiful mustache himself.
• 1:54:03
  Mike Angus: Absolutely.
• 1:54:04
  Mike Angus: Um.
• 1:54:05
  Mike Angus: He pushed.
• 1:54:05
  Mike Angus: Let's, uh,
• 1:54:06
  Glen Erickson: let's keep burning through a couple of these.
• 1:54:08
  Glen Erickson: Uh, our good friend Steph Blaze relative ah, of the family, uh, member of Postscript who opened for our first reunion show.
• 1:54:16
  Glen Erickson: Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:17
  Glen Erickson: Um, Steph asked the question, she wants to know about the most hilarious slash horrendous sleeping arrangements on tour.
• 1:54:25
  Glen Erickson: So the first thing I think we talked about.
• 1:54:26
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, well, we just talked about maybe, um, we just went
• 1:54:30
  Stephane Dagenais: over the most
• 1:54:30
  Glen Erickson: glorious
• 1:54:31
  Stephane Dagenais: one.
• 1:54:32
  Stephane Dagenais: Let's talk about some horrendous ones.
• 1:54:36
  Glen Erickson: I think.
• 1:54:36
  Glen Erickson: Uh, do you guys remember that band room in Saskatoon?
• 1:54:39
  Glen Erickson: I can't remember venue Best, best band room in Canada that had the, uh, the, the Jagermeister bathroom?
• 1:54:46
  Glen Erickson: Yes.
• 1:54:46
  Glen Erickson: And the, it, it
• 1:54:47
  Mike Angus: was above, uh, it wasn't, um,
• 1:54:49
  Glen Erickson: like the, the shadow Lydia looked What?
• 1:54:53
  Glen Erickson: Lydia's, you're right.
• 1:54:54
  Glen Erickson: Lydia Pub.
• 1:54:54
  Glen Erickson: No, Tia.
• 1:54:54
  Glen Erickson: Was it Lydia's Pub?
• 1:54:55
  Glen Erickson: It's Band
• 1:54:55
  Mike Angus: room in Canada.
• 1:54:57
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:54:57
  Glen Erickson: It had just a room with Is a wall, a wall of beds.
• 1:55:00
  Glen Erickson: It had eight beds, eight double beds in it.
• 1:55:02
  Glen Erickson: And the paintings on the wall were like the silhouettes of stripper girls that you see on the trucker mud flaps.
• 1:55:07
  Glen Erickson: But they were like painted large across the wall.
• 1:55:11
  Glen Erickson: Um, but it was clean.
• 1:55:12
  Glen Erickson: The, all the beds were well made.
• 1:55:13
  Glen Erickson: It was like a hotel.
• 1:55:15
  Glen Erickson: Listen.
• 1:55:15
  Glen Erickson: And they would pay us Well.
• 1:55:17
  Glen Erickson: Yep.
• 1:55:17
  Glen Erickson: And then you get to stay in that place.
• 1:55:19
  Glen Erickson: And it was clean.
• 1:55:20
  Glen Erickson: Which is so different than, do you remember two places?
• 1:55:23
  Glen Erickson: One, the, the house in Banff.
• 1:55:28
  Glen Erickson: Oh God, yeah.
• 1:55:29
  Glen Erickson: The bead house.
• 1:55:29
  Glen Erickson: The Rose Sound Place.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, river.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: I lost my voice.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: We didn't even wanna
• 1:55:32
  Glen Erickson: sleep.
• 1:55:33
  Glen Erickson: We didn't even wanna sleep on top of the blankets, which is often what we'd end up doing if we showed up at a place and it looked like bedbugs would be there or something.
• 1:55:41
  Glen Erickson: You
• 1:55:41
  Mike Angus: guys obviously don't remember this, but when we checked into that place, there was a freshly used condom under my bed and not like way under the bed kind of, almost barely under the bed when we checked in and, and then Mike lost his voice that night and the second night,'cause we were doing a two nighter, I had to sing every song and I think we were doing three sets that night.
• 1:56:06
  Mike Angus: I had to do, yeah, I had to sing all of our songs like the song, first song we would start with and all of the covers.
• 1:56:12
  Mike Angus: I just, second Song of the Night was Trace of You.
• 1:56:17
  Mike Angus: I Lose My Voice halfway through the second verse.
• 1:56:20
  Mike Angus: Rob doesn't, I think I dropped two words before he jumped in and he covered the rest of the song, like the crowd wouldn't even notice and then he sang every song for the rest of the night.
• 1:56:31
  Glen Erickson: We did get to ask the question, what do you miss the most?
• 1:56:34
  Glen Erickson: Um
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:56:36
  Glen Erickson: Which I know can have a few minutiae sort of mm-hmm.
• 1:56:41
  Glen Erickson: Reactive responses.
• 1:56:44
  Glen Erickson: I mean, I'll say right off the bat, and I think you hear it a lot, but it's not, it's not cliche like, like I just miss being around you guys all the time.
• 1:56:53
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:56:53
  Glen Erickson: It's like, I remember Gretzky after he hung up the skates in New York and they asked him the question and he was like, I miss getting up.
• 1:57:01
  Glen Erickson: 5:00 AM and go into the rink with the guys.
• 1:57:04
  Glen Erickson: That's all, that's all I missed team.
• 1:57:05
  Glen Erickson: To miss the game locker.
• 1:57:06
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  Glen Erickson: I, that's, um, I don't know, like, uh, I don't like nonstop laughs Yeah.
• 1:57:14
  Glen Erickson: I, everything, the,
• 1:57:15
  Mike Angus: the thing about that is I think for people who are like observers or fans or spectators, one thing that maybe they don't fully understand is that their part of our day or of our tour is 60 minutes.
• 1:57:29
  Mike Angus: Like the, there's 60 minutes on stage, that's great, but it's just 60 minutes of a day.
• 1:57:36
  Mike Angus: And so when you're at a band, you have to find a way to make the other 23 hours.
• 1:57:42
  Mike Angus: Passable.
• 1:57:42
  Mike Angus: Survivable, yeah.
• 1:57:43
  Mike Angus: Or great.
• 1:57:45
  Mike Angus: And like in,
• 1:57:46
  Glen Erickson: uh, wi No.
• 1:57:47
  Glen Erickson: Windsor.
• 1:57:47
  Glen Erickson: Is it Windsor?
• 1:57:48
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:57:48
  Glen Erickson: The fog.
• 1:57:49
  Glen Erickson: The tiny little Fog.
• 1:57:50
  Glen Erickson: Fog.
• 1:57:50
  Glen Erickson: I, Stefan you might remember'cause I, I had like the closest I had to a meltdown in a van right beside the fog before, you know, between soundcheck and playing.
• 1:58:00
  Glen Erickson: 'cause the next day was Father's Day.
• 1:58:01
  Glen Erickson: And that's like you guys were saying before, to your recollection of what I was missing, I was having this moment where like, I'm playing this venue that only fits 15 people in and I don't think we're gonna sell out.
• 1:58:14
  Glen Erickson: And um, and I felt so low.
• 1:58:17
  Glen Erickson: We, we didn't for the record.
• 1:58:19
  Glen Erickson: No we didn't.
• 1:58:20
  Glen Erickson: I felt the bartender loved us though.
• 1:58:22
  Glen Erickson: And apparently he doesn't love anybody.
• 1:58:24
  Glen Erickson: So, um, I felt so low.
• 1:58:28
  Glen Erickson: Like so low.
• 1:58:29
  Glen Erickson: Um, but the next day you guys were like, let's drive through the tunnel and go to a Tigers game.
• 1:58:34
  Glen Erickson: Oh yeah.
• 1:58:35
  Glen Erickson: On Father's Day.
• 1:58:35
  Glen Erickson: And remember that Father's Day story all the time, dad with like a bunch of like real all American blonde kids and he bought us all hotdog and stuff.
• 1:58:42
  Glen Erickson: And um, we got to see, went over to Hockey Town, Justin Lander pitch.
• 1:58:46
  Glen Erickson: Yep, yep.
• 1:58:48
  Glen Erickson: And uh, we went over to Hockey Town across the street.
• 1:58:51
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 1:58:51
  Glen Erickson: And, uh, do you remember,
• 1:58:53
  Mike Angus: do you remember it?
• 1:58:54
  Mike Angus: The custom, the American customs guard that is like, let's see your passports.
• 1:58:58
  Mike Angus: And I was like, four guys in a band ba trying to cross the border.
• 1:59:00
  Mike Angus: We're like, we're toast.
• 1:59:01
  Mike Angus: Right?
• 1:59:02
  Mike Angus: And he takes all of our passports.
• 1:59:04
  Mike Angus: He's like, what are you guys doing?
• 1:59:04
  Mike Angus: We're like, we're going to the Tigers game.
• 1:59:06
  Mike Angus: And he is like, give tickets.
• 1:59:08
  Mike Angus: You're gonna miss the first pitch.
• 1:59:09
  Mike Angus: You better go.
• 1:59:10
  Mike Angus: And he like literally threw the passports back and down.
• 1:59:12
  Mike Angus: He's like, get going.
• 1:59:13
  Mike Angus: Like,
• 1:59:16
  Stephane Dagenais: yeah, that was a great pitch.
• 1:59:17
  Stephane Dagenais: It's awesome.
• 1:59:18
  Stephane Dagenais: Like the memories, it, it's the best to hear stories about things that you were involved in or I was involved in, but from someone else's perspective and what they remember about it.
• 1:59:29
  Stephane Dagenais: Mm-hmm.
• 1:59:30
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 1:59:31
  Stephane Dagenais: Like
• 1:59:31
  Mike Angus: I remember we were really getting into the national, some of us were really getting into the listening to the Nationals boxer album.
• 1:59:40
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 1:59:41
  Mike Angus: And like, I think that was kind of like it, we talk about Circle of Small, like that was kind of like we were following the nationals.
• 1:59:48
  Mike Angus: Style arc very closely.
• 1:59:51
  Mike Angus: But when Boxer kind of first came out and we were all geeking out about it, and Rob was just like, far notes is all you get.
• 1:59:58
  Mike Angus: Like, I, I hated them at first.
• 2:00:01
  Mike Angus: I hated them so much.
• 2:00:03
  Mike Angus: Sitting outside of a Tim Hortons and like Sue St.
• 2:00:05
  Mike Angus: Marie or something, and he's like, we're all just like, isn't this cool?
• 2:00:08
  Mike Angus: And he is like, Fardo, which is all you get.
• 2:00:10
  Mike Angus: Like just the, that's one of my clearest memories of like being on the road.
• 2:00:13
  Mike Angus: We were leaving the boathouse in, uh, kitchen or Waterloo.
• 2:00:17
  Mike Angus: Well, we Okay.
• 2:00:17
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:00:18
  Mike Angus: That's where it was.
• 2:00:19
  Mike Angus: Oh, we were headed back to, that was a fun night.
• 2:00:21
  Mike Angus: Remember we did get asked the question
• 2:00:22
  Glen Erickson: about what our favorite venues to play.
• 2:00:24
  Glen Erickson: That was kind of a, one of those unique venues for sure.
• 2:00:28
  Glen Erickson: We played it maybe twice.
• 2:00:30
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:00:31
  Mike Angus: I love the Dakota.
• 2:00:32
  Mike Angus: I thought was awesome.
• 2:00:33
  Mike Angus: I love the Dakota more than anything was great in Toronto.
• 2:00:36
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:00:36
  Mike Angus: It's Is it closed now or is it closing?
• 2:00:38
  Mike Angus: Yeah, they
• 2:00:38
  Glen Erickson: sold, they sold.
• 2:00:40
  Glen Erickson: I will say we, we got the crest.
• 2:00:43
  Glen Erickson: Do you guys agree?
• 2:00:44
  Glen Erickson: We got the very end of a golden era in Canada where every major city changed, had a classic venue like from the railway club in Vancouver.
• 2:00:53
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:00:53
  Alexi: Yep.
• 2:00:53
  Glen Erickson: Ironwood and Sidetrack Cafe.
• 2:00:56
  Glen Erickson: Sidetrack and, and you know, times changed in Winnipeg and the Dakota Tavern and like, and Toronto
• 2:01:03
  Robb Angus: was good,
• 2:01:04
  Glen Erickson: huh?
• 2:01:05
  Glen Erickson: Cadillac?
• 2:01:05
  Glen Erickson: We played the Cadillac in Toronto a few times.
• 2:01:07
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:01:07
  Glen Erickson: The Cadillac lounge and, and the du Gras of the Cadillac lounge is when we finally got, um, ah, shit.
• 2:01:14
  Glen Erickson: I just lost his name.
• 2:01:15
  Glen Erickson: When we got our.
• 2:01:16
  Glen Erickson: Hertz rental car guy, Val Val, the Russian val Val, when he brought a, a girl out to watch the show, we actually, after using him for about four or five years, he finally came and watched a show at the Cadillac Lounge.
• 2:01:32
  Glen Erickson: But
• 2:01:33
  Mike Angus: remember he asked for a signed poster for his, for his car rental.
• 2:01:39
  Mike Angus: For his car rental office.
• 2:01:40
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:01:41
  Mike Angus: Maybe Besides Post them.
• 2:01:42
  Mike Angus: Yes.
• 2:01:43
  Mike Angus: He was a good guy.
• 2:01:44
  Mike Angus: We're not, we're
• 2:01:45
  Glen Erickson: not appropriating that at all either, by the way.
• 2:01:47
  Glen Erickson: That's exactly how he sounded.
• 2:01:49
  Glen Erickson: It was so, I was,
• 2:01:51
  Mike Angus: I was telling the story.
• 2:01:51
  Mike Angus: I was one of the most
• 2:01:52
  Stephane Dagenais: oddball shows that we ever did was in that place on, uh, queen Street West, where it was like, not my dog.
• 2:01:58
  Stephane Dagenais: That's, yeah.
• 2:02:00
  Stephane Dagenais: Not my dog.
• 2:02:01
  Stephane Dagenais: The tiniest, tiniest venue.
• 2:02:04
  Stephane Dagenais: And that was the day that the van, the back of the van just exploded with a bunch of shit everywhere, just trying to get ready for the show.
• 2:02:13
  Stephane Dagenais: Like out on the sidewalk.
• 2:02:15
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 2:02:16
  Stephane Dagenais: Street
• 2:02:16
  Mike Angus: Dressing.
• 2:02:18
  Mike Angus: I remember during the set at one point, Mike put down his guitar and left it, it wasn't a stage we were playing just on the, the floor.
• 2:02:28
  Mike Angus: Floor.
• 2:02:29
  Mike Angus: And he just left.
• 2:02:30
  Mike Angus: He was, and kinda walked across the room.
• 2:02:32
  Mike Angus: 'cause they had an upright piano, like Yeah.
• 2:02:33
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:02:34
  Mike Angus: Not on stage.
• 2:02:35
  Mike Angus: No.
• 2:02:36
  Mike Angus: He just started playing along to, I don't even remember what song we were playing live as a band, but he just kind of.
• 2:02:43
  Mike Angus: Started playing the piano patterned.
• 2:02:45
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:02:46
  Glen Erickson: Which, yeah.
• 2:02:46
  Glen Erickson: Which totally exposed my fatal flaw of getting lost at looking at my feet and not paying attention to my, the other players enough.
• 2:02:54
  Glen Erickson: And then by the time I looked up, Mike was like eight bars in to whatever he was playing.
• 2:02:59
  Glen Erickson: So before I knew he was gone, I was telling this
• 2:03:02
  Mike Angus: story the other day'cause someone was telling me they were from Toronto or from Vancouver, and we were talking about like what we like about Vancouver.
• 2:03:09
  Mike Angus: And they said, yeah, the railway pub.
• 2:03:10
  Mike Angus: And I said, we played a show there.
• 2:03:12
  Mike Angus: I used to be in a band, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:03:14
  Mike Angus: We played a show there.
• 2:03:15
  Mike Angus: And it's the first and maybe only time in the years we were active before we had our reunion shows where I looked up and the room was full.
• 2:03:25
  Mike Angus: And there was two guys at the back of the room that were singing along with one of my songs, complete Strangers.
• 2:03:31
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:03:32
  Mike Angus: And that had never happened.
• 2:03:33
  Mike Angus: And it was one of those moments where you're like, this is not my mom singing along with it in my hometown.
• 2:03:39
  Mike Angus: This is a complete stranger who knows, who's listened to our records enough to Yeah.
• 2:03:46
  Mike Angus: And I was just like, I I, there was a moment where I was like, I think I probably did this, like deer in the headlights on the stage, but I was like, oh, this is how it happens.
• 2:03:53
  Mike Angus: Like you make these connections mm-hmm.
• 2:03:55
  Mike Angus: Two guys in time, and then you come back the next year and hopefully it's four.
• 2:04:00
  Mike Angus: And then, and that was, yeah.
• 2:04:02
  Mike Angus: There was no TikTok, no Instagram.
• 2:04:04
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:04:05
  Mike Angus: And you could ask my MySpace and face, there was nothing viral back then.
• 2:04:08
  Glen Erickson: Mm-hmm.
• 2:04:08
  Glen Erickson: You ask what you mi get missed the most like.
• 2:04:13
  Glen Erickson: I don't know, maybe I don't have these conversations, whether the band's enough, but I don't know that other, what other people have.
• 2:04:21
  Glen Erickson: But we had these certain connections.
• 2:04:25
  Glen Erickson: Like when I got written, remember the, the kind of the crazy haired host of that radio program in, uh, Toronto.
• 2:04:33
  Glen Erickson: And uh, he told us how like his dad died and he went and built a barn just listening to our record over and over.
• 2:04:39
  Glen Erickson: And it was so cathartic and it's what kind of got him through.
• 2:04:43
  Glen Erickson: Yep.
• 2:04:44
  Glen Erickson: His name Bob, he spent a whole summer.
• 2:04:46
  Glen Erickson: I can't remember.
• 2:04:47
  Glen Erickson: Um, I remember it was at Ryerson, I think remember he had a mm-hmm.
• 2:04:50
  Glen Erickson: A radio show.
• 2:04:51
  Glen Erickson: And, um, and then there's like guys, like the people that came to our, that's a crazy story to tell the guys, the people that came to our reunion shows from across the, the, the United States, like from Washington or whatever, like am Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:05
  Glen Erickson: He was a huge fan.
• 2:05:06
  Glen Erickson: And he, he would come and, uh, and the, and the couple that got married that were big on radio three's, blogs.
• 2:05:13
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:05:14
  Glen Erickson: They lived, they came to the Windsor shows.
• 2:05:15
  Glen Erickson: They he lived right across, yeah.
• 2:05:17
  Glen Erickson: To Detroit, outside of Detroit.
• 2:05:18
  Glen Erickson: And, and he would, uh, and you guys, I've told you guys this story about how I ended up at North by Northeast at the Radio three picnic.
• 2:05:28
  Glen Erickson: They always do.
• 2:05:29
  Glen Erickson: And then they actually exchange vowels and Grant Lawrence officiated and mm-hmm.
• 2:05:34
  Glen Erickson: Uh, or maybe Amit officiating, grant Lawrence was standing up, but either way they used.
• 2:05:40
  Glen Erickson: The opening line of this is it to start the vows, and I'm just standing there going, who gets this kind of a moment?
• 2:05:47
  Glen Erickson: Right?
• 2:05:48
  Glen Erickson: Like, um, it's pretty amazing to have those kinds of moments.
• 2:05:51
  Glen Erickson: For sure.
• 2:05:53
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:05:53
  Mike Angus: Like, like what I was saying to Lexi when she was on, like, there's a lot of things when you start doing this that you think are big goals and really meaningful goals, but when people ask you to be a part of the biggest moments of their life.
• 2:06:10
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:06:11
  Glen Erickson: Well, yeah, I completely agree.
• 2:06:13
  Glen Erickson: I, I
• 2:06:14
  Mike Angus: didn't, I didn't appreciate it back then.
• 2:06:16
  Mike Angus: I probably do it more now as a performer, and I've really come to be humbled by it.
• 2:06:24
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:06:25
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:06:25
  Mike Angus: I remember back the time we had some friends asking us to play their weddings, and I would have to say, I'm so sorry.
• 2:06:30
  Mike Angus: We can't, we can't,'cause you wanna play shows based on the band you wanna be.
• 2:06:36
  Mike Angus: Mm-hmm.
• 2:06:38
  Mike Angus: Not the band you are.
• 2:06:39
  Mike Angus: And it, it's this awful feeling of just like, oh, we can't afford to play weddings because then we'll get labeled as a wedding band.
• 2:06:46
  Mike Angus: And it's like this awful sort of like Yeah.
• 2:06:49
  Mike Angus: Shitty thing that you're faced with as a band.
• 2:06:54
  Mike Angus: And like when Lexi came on and she asked me, I was like, of course.
• 2:06:57
  Mike Angus: Yeah, of course.
• 2:06:59
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:06:59
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:07:00
  Mike Angus: There's no, she could have asked a week before the wedding, she answered those.
• 2:07:03
  Mike Angus: Hey.
• 2:07:03
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:07:03
  Mike Angus: Totally.
• 2:07:04
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:07:05
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:07:06
  Glen Erickson: Um, I had, I had That's awesome.
• 2:07:07
  Glen Erickson: I had a friend
• 2:07:08
  Mike Angus: when, when, uh, Ontario first came out and this is, it opens the record.
• 2:07:12
  Mike Angus: Right.
• 2:07:13
  Mike Angus: And our good friend Trent Wilke, uh, who's a, was a great journalist at the time.
• 2:07:18
  Mike Angus: He helped do interviews to push the records and stuff like that.
• 2:07:21
  Mike Angus: And he texted me, he is like, he ruined my day in the best possible way.
• 2:07:28
  Mike Angus: Like the first opening lines of this is Yeah.
• 2:07:31
  Mike Angus: Which is like, it, it's kind of the opposite of what you're talking about when someone invites you into the, you know, their weddings and these special occasions.
• 2:07:38
  Mike Angus: And if you can slide into someone's life in a very personal way, in a quiet moment and have an impact.
• 2:07:44
  Mike Angus: I'm not saying that like I, I wanted to ruin his day, but he said it in a complimentary kind of way where it's like, you made a big impact in my day just by hitting
• 2:07:53
  Alexi: play.
• 2:07:53
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:07:55
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:07:55
  Mike Angus: A very personal moment.
• 2:07:57
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:07:57
  Mike Angus: That's how I've always experienced music the most powerfully is when it's just me and the headphone.
• 2:08:01
  Glen Erickson: Well, fellas, uh, we could probably talk all night.
• 2:08:04
  Glen Erickson: It feels, um, which is maybe the sweetest thing I'm gonna take away from this is just knowing mm-hmm.
• 2:08:10
  Glen Erickson: This, it's still the same as it ever was.
• 2:08:14
  Glen Erickson: Um, and I'm gonna have a lot of editing to do'cause I.
• 2:08:19
  Glen Erickson: Pooch the thing two and a here.
• 2:08:21
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:08:22
  Glen Erickson: And I, I don't, it's a long podcast.
• 2:08:24
  Glen Erickson: You problem Glen.
• 2:08:25
  Glen Erickson: That's a you problem.
• 2:08:26
  Glen Erickson: It's a, this is, this is the Neil Young of podcasts right now, by the way, guys.
• 2:08:31
  Glen Erickson: Um, for sure.
• 2:08:32
  Glen Erickson: Uh, so, um, anyhow, um, if you guys still wanna play another show, all you can text me on the text chain anytime and, you know, I'll do all the work and make it happen.
• 2:08:45
  Glen Erickson: Where,
• 2:08:45
  Robb Angus: where would we do another show?
• 2:08:46
  Robb Angus: I'll do another, another show.
• 2:08:47
  Glen Erickson: I dunno, somewhere that people will say that they will show up.
• 2:08:51
  Glen Erickson: That's after all this time.
• 2:08:52
  Glen Erickson: That's, I feel like our, maybe I, I don't know.
• 2:08:55
  Glen Erickson: I feel like it's our biggest shared concern is like, there may be a, a few dozen loud voices that say, do a reunion show, but, you know, I want, I wanna do it for more than 36 people if I can.
• 2:09:08
  Glen Erickson: So, yeah.
• 2:09:09
  Glen Erickson: Um, if I'm being honest.
• 2:09:11
  Glen Erickson: But anyhow, yeah.
• 2:09:13
  Glen Erickson: Regardless of all that, I would love to play with you guys any day.
• 2:09:18
  Glen Erickson: Anytime.
• 2:09:18
  Glen Erickson: So, um, thank you.
• 2:09:21
  Alexi: But beyond that,
• 2:09:23
  Glen Erickson: we're gonna have to have a real life hangout soon.
• 2:09:25
  Glen Erickson: If, um, if we're not gonna be so spread out all the time, I'm gonna have to come down to Calgary clearly.
• 2:09:33
  Glen Erickson: So, um, make it happen.
• 2:09:35
  Glen Erickson: So we'll do it.
• 2:09:36
  Glen Erickson: Yep.
• 2:09:38
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:09:38
  Glen Erickson: Any final words, boys?
• 2:09:40
  Glen Erickson: Anybody parting thoughts?
• 2:09:42
  Glen Erickson: Who has parting thoughts?
• 2:09:44
  Alexi: I mean, who's,
• 2:09:44
  Stephane Dagenais: well it, it.
• 2:09:46
  Stephane Dagenais: Well, my parting thought is, I, I honestly do feel like there may be, and there probably is more wheat pool down the road.
• 2:09:59
  Stephane Dagenais: Yeah.
• 2:09:59
  Stephane Dagenais: I I mean, you guys are all fucking old.
• 2:10:02
  Mike Angus: Oh yeah.
• 2:10:03
  Mike Angus: There's that.
• 2:10:03
  Mike Angus: But
• 2:10:04
  Stephane Dagenais: I turned 50 in a couple of months.
• 2:10:06
  Stephane Dagenais: Still think it will work.
• 2:10:08
  Mike Angus: Yeah.
• 2:10:08
  Mike Angus: We have a couple of songs we've never really fleshed out, and I'm not against kind of writing a couple more
• 2:10:17
  Glen Erickson: phone.
• 2:10:17
  Glen Erickson: You're still handsome.
• 2:10:18
  Glen Erickson: You guys are still handsome,
• 2:10:21
  Mike Angus: buddy.
• 2:10:22
  Mike Angus: I'm doing the best I can here.
• 2:10:23
  Mike Angus: It's a struggle.
• 2:10:25
  Mike Angus: It's, I went through my phone recently and I found five other songs from when, um, we were working at Blurred Lines,
• 2:10:33
  Glen Erickson: really?
• 2:10:33
  Glen Erickson: Together.
• 2:10:34
  Glen Erickson: Holy shit.
• 2:10:35
  Glen Erickson: That's cool.
• 2:10:35
  Glen Erickson: Um, that's kind of in there.
• 2:10:37
  Glen Erickson: I
• 2:10:37
  Mike Angus: think I sent you guys the demos at some point, but they could do some, some tweaking before we re-examine them.
• 2:10:43
  Mike Angus: Um, yeah.
• 2:10:45
  Mike Angus: If we had three or five new tunes.
• 2:10:48
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:10:48
  Mike Angus: Last time we did the reunion, uh, my dad was just like, and bless Bruce.
• 2:10:53
  Mike Angus: He's sweet man.
• 2:10:54
  Mike Angus: But his only comment was Don't play yourself.
• 2:11:00
  Mike Angus: Don't play
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 6: any, just play the hits.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 6: Just play the hits.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 6: Just play the hits.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 6: He, he is,
• 2:11:06
  Mike Angus: he's salted the earth.
• 2:11:08
  Mike Angus: Like, and I, I would love to record blurred lines.
• 2:11:12
  Mike Angus: I think that was so good how it turned out.
• 2:11:15
  Mike Angus: I would love to,
• 2:11:15
  Stephane Dagenais: yeah.
• 2:11:16
  Mike Angus: Work on some new stuff and see where it would go.
• 2:11:18
  Mike Angus: See how loud it could get.
• 2:11:20
  Stephane Dagenais: That'd be fun.
• 2:11:22
  Stephane Dagenais: Well guys, I've already got hearing damage, so Yeah, I too was talking about this.
• 2:11:27
  Glen Erickson: I had, I dunno if you remember Joel May.
• 2:11:29
  Glen Erickson: I just had her on as a guest and that was mm-hmm.
• 2:11:31
  Glen Erickson: One of my first questions because I only used to see her at gigs and conferences and I'm like, how's your hearing, by the way?
• 2:11:38
  Glen Erickson: Because I'm starting to notice mine isn't the best.
• 2:11:42
  Glen Erickson: Oh, for sure.
• 2:11:42
  Glen Erickson: I wouldn't wear stuff on stage.
• 2:11:43
  Glen Erickson: I, um, I wanted to hear the noise and I'm paying.
• 2:11:47
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, me too.
• 2:11:48
  Glen Erickson: I'm paying for it.
• 2:11:49
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:11:50
  Glen Erickson: I get, okay.
• 2:11:50
  Glen Erickson: I get a lot of, uh, I'm gonna cut it off, off and tell you guys that, uh, I love you guys more than anything and yeah, love you too.
• 2:11:58
  Glen Erickson: Love you.
• 2:11:59
  Glen Erickson: You're the best friends the guy could ask for, and I appreciate you doing this and keeping me around all this time.
• 2:12:05
  Glen Erickson: It's been special.
• 2:12:06
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:12:06
  Glen Erickson: Thank you.
• 2:12:06
  Glen Erickson: Thanks for making
• 2:12:07
  Mike Angus: time, Glen.
• 2:12:08
  Mike Angus: Yeah, great job.
• 2:12:08
  Mike Angus: We, we didn't even fight about how you had Brandy, my partner on the podcast before you had me.
• 2:12:14
  Glen Erickson: Yeah, well, uh, you had her
• 2:12:16
  Mike Angus: like
• 2:12:16
  Glen Erickson: third episode, didn't you?
• 2:12:18
  Glen Erickson: No, she was eight.
• 2:12:19
  Glen Erickson: And by the way.
• 2:12:21
  Glen Erickson: Nonetheless episode.
• 2:12:22
  Glen Erickson: What the
• 2:12:22
  Alexi: fuck?
• 2:12:23
  Glen Erickson: Her episode is outperformed all but two people in my entire, I believe it thing so far.
• 2:12:29
  Glen Erickson: But that's'cause
• 2:12:30
  Mike Angus: I've listened to it a hundred times.
• 2:12:31
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 2:12:32
  Glen Erickson: That's it.
• 2:12:33
  Glen Erickson: It counted every single one of your downloads.
• 2:12:35
  Glen Erickson: That's great.
• 2:12:36
  Glen Erickson: Uh, she had a great episode and she's got so great at social media.
• 2:12:40
  Glen Erickson: I'm not surprised, but yeah, she's, she's, she,
• 2:12:42
  Mike Angus: she's a lot of great shit to say.
• 2:12:44
  Mike Angus: If you haven't listened to her episode, go back and listen to her.
• 2:12:46
  Mike Angus: She's great episode.
• 2:12:46
  Mike Angus: She's really great.
• 2:12:47
  Mike Angus: She's very smart and a hardest worker.
• 2:12:50
  Glen Erickson: Yep.
• 2:12:50
  Glen Erickson: I agree.
• 2:12:52
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 2:12:52
  Glen Erickson: Thanks boys.
• 2:12:53
  Glen Erickson: Appreciate you all.
• 2:12:54
  Glen Erickson: Love you guys love it.
• 2:12:54
  Glen Erickson: Thank you.
• 2:12:56
  Glen Erickson: Thanks for pulling it together, Glen.
• 2:12:57
  Glen Erickson: Appreciate it.
• 2:12:58
  Glen Erickson: You bet.
• 2:12:58
  Glen Erickson: Let's talk again a little soon.
• 2:13:00
  Glen Erickson: Yeah.
• 2:13:01
  Glen Erickson: Okay, cia.
• 2:13:01
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 2:13:01
  Glen Erickson: Okay.
• 2:13:01
  Glen Erickson: Bye-Bye.
• 2:13:02
  Glen Erickson: See ya.
• 2:13:12
  Alexi: Okay.
• 2:13:13
  Alexi: That'll have to do,
• 2:13:15
  Glen: that'll have to do, oh, okay.
• 2:13:16
  Glen: Eventful morning.
• 2:13:18
  Glen: Uh, yes.
• 2:13:18
  Glen: To record post fame because, um, first
• 2:13:22
  Alexi: morning episode.
• 2:13:23
  Glen: First morning episode of post fame.
• 2:13:25
  Glen: A hundred percent live in the car and not just in our garage, but actually driving you to school and me to work.
• 2:13:32
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:13:32
  Glen: We're coming out of the gym
• 2:13:34
  Alexi: post fire alarm.
• 2:13:35
  Alexi: Post
• 2:13:35
  Glen: fire alarm at 7:00 AM at the gym.
• 2:13:39
  Alexi: in shambles.
• 2:13:40
  Alexi: My bad.
• 2:13:40
  Alexi: Yeah, in
• 2:13:41
  Glen: shambles.
• 2:13:41
  Glen: And Sand's curling Iron and MAs mascara for you and san's mascara and all these wonderful things.
• 2:13:50
  Glen: Um, I did find out, however, we're from the front desk girl that they were planning to test fire alarms, but she wasn't told about it.
• 2:14:01
  Glen: Oh, by her, her man, her manager.
• 2:14:03
  Glen: Uh, she looked a little disheveled.
• 2:14:05
  Glen: anyhow, so, and we're coming off of, uh, a crazy time too where, you were away for a while.
• 2:14:14
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:14:14
  Glen: And London, Ontario with school stuff and a cool presentation thing.
• 2:14:19
  Glen: And, so you were a part of this episode from London?
• 2:14:23
  Alexi: Yes,
• 2:14:23
  Glen: Ontario, which was kind of from my
• 2:14:25
  Alexi: dingy little hotel.
• 2:14:26
  Alexi: A
• 2:14:26
  Glen: super fun pop out in there.
• 2:14:28
  Glen: And then, uh, I was away and.
• 2:14:31
  Glen: Like Vancouver for the weekend.
• 2:14:33
  Glen: Yes.
• 2:14:33
  Glen: Things were all a little bit hectic.
• 2:14:35
  Glen: You come back, you've written two exams.
• 2:14:37
  Alexi: Two exams in
• 2:14:38
  Glen: two days, and a presentation.
• 2:14:40
  Alexi: Yes.
• 2:14:40
  Alexi: Today.
• 2:14:41
  Alexi: Which is why the mess tomorrow now.
• 2:14:42
  Glen: Oh, what
• 2:14:43
  Alexi: tomorrow?
• 2:14:44
  Alexi: I just wanted to look pretty today'cause I have a staff
• 2:14:46
  Glen: meeting.
• 2:14:47
  Glen: Oh geez.
• 2:14:48
  Glen: Oh, I thought I.
• 2:14:49
  Glen: Okay.
• 2:14:50
  Glen: I thought the mascara tragedy was because of you're also doing a presentation.
• 2:14:54
  Glen: Oh,
• 2:14:54
  Alexi: no,
• 2:14:55
  Glen: but you just wanted, okay.
• 2:14:57
  Glen: You're just a girl.
• 2:14:58
  Glen: I get it.
• 2:14:58
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:14:58
  Glen: Um, okay.
• 2:15:00
  Glen: But, so here we are.
• 2:15:01
  Glen: We arrive on an episode that you and I have talked about for a really long time.
• 2:15:05
  Glen: Mm-hmm.
• 2:15:05
  Glen: Um, which is having the band on to talk about the band experience and full transparency.
• 2:15:12
  Glen: I really, right.
• 2:15:13
  Glen: I started the idea with, really that I think I was like.
• 2:15:17
  Glen: We've never like, sat down as a band and I don't know if anybody does that.
• 2:15:20
  Glen: You sit down years later and be like, what?
• 2:15:24
  Glen: Like, so why did we break up?
• 2:15:25
  Glen: Or like, what were you thinking about?
• 2:15:27
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:15:27
  Glen: Or, and, and here was the funny, I'm gonna give this little nugget first before you talk about it, but after that whole episode here was, here's what really dawned on me, which is it doesn't actually feel like we broke up.
• 2:15:43
  Alexi: Well Yeah.
• 2:15:43
  Alexi: 'cause you're all still so close.
• 2:15:45
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:15:45
  Glen: And we, and we talked about in there.
• 2:15:47
  Glen: How, you know, we had gotten the, asked the question, you know, did you guys make it a conscious decision?
• 2:15:53
  Glen: Like did you come to a crossroads versus just kind of decide to just kind of Peter out?
• 2:15:58
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:15:59
  Alexi: And
• 2:15:59
  Glen: we didn't want to be one of those typical, and there felt like, at least in Edmonton.
• 2:16:02
  Glen: So many bands that just kind of disappeared and then they would show up every two years and play a, a gig somewhere and it just felt irrelevant.
• 2:16:11
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:16:11
  Glen: And we didn't want to feel irrelevant, which is why we ended things.
• 2:16:15
  Glen: And we did reunion shows and they were really good and significant for people that really wanted, you know, just to see us again for a while.
• 2:16:23
  Glen: anyhow.
• 2:16:23
  Glen: but in all of that, you know, we used the language that we broke up and we did in the sense that we weren't just a.
• 2:16:29
  Glen: A relationship.
• 2:16:30
  Glen: It's not like we were actively together anymore.
• 2:16:33
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:16:33
  Glen: Doing the thing that made us the band.
• 2:16:36
  Glen: But I guess there's just this other layer, which is the four of us are always the we pool.
• 2:16:41
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 2:16:42
  Glen: And you just, I guess some people could choose to let that die and not talk to each other again or whatever.
• 2:16:49
  Glen: But we never let that die.
• 2:16:53
  Glen: And I'm just gonna say that, I mean, you saw me while I was editing.
• 2:16:56
  Alexi: Oh my goodness.
• 2:16:57
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:16:58
  Glen: Like this was the hardest.
• 2:16:59
  Glen: Episode to edit, because it was a, the longest thing we'd ever recorded.
• 2:17:03
  Glen: Mm-hmm.
• 2:17:04
  Glen: It was hard to even manage that, but I was laughing so hard, just enjoying it again, and I think I said to you and your mom that like, if anybody wanted to see what it was like to be part of the band, the inside of the band, like what it was like to be in the van over and over again, that's, that was the perfect glimpse.
• 2:17:24
  Glen: That was it.
• 2:17:25
  Glen: That was the glimpse into the band.
• 2:17:26
  Glen: And I don't know if that's what people wanted or do want.
• 2:17:31
  Glen: But I'll just say that that episode to me was literally the perfection of what it meant when the four of us get together.
• 2:17:40
  Alexi: I love that.
• 2:17:41
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:17:41
  Glen: It was, it was pretty beautiful.
• 2:17:44
  Glen: there were like fun answers to some questions.
• 2:17:47
  Glen: Uh, we didn't get to all the questions people wanted, like some questions were a little bit silly and that's fine.
• 2:17:54
  Glen: And I would've answered them if I didn't realize that we could have gone for three hours.
• 2:17:59
  Glen: so I didn't, but I hope that, I just really hope that that's, it's got some things maybe to learn and some insights.
• 2:18:09
  Glen: And mostly though, if, there's some people that have always been super kind and cared about us as quote unquote fans.
• 2:18:16
  Glen: And I hope, I hope that, that, you know, I know that for myself as a fan of some bands, like a big fan of some bands, I would take everything I could get from just.
• 2:18:26
  Glen: Knowing what the dynamics
• 2:18:28
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:18:28
  Alexi: And
• 2:18:28
  Glen: what that life was like.
• 2:18:30
  Glen: And I feel like we actually put a lot in there in this episode.
• 2:18:34
  Glen: So
• 2:18:35
  Alexi: I love that.
• 2:18:36
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Glen: And you got to ask your question.
• 2:18:38
  Glen: Oh
• 2:18:39
  Alexi: yeah.
• 2:18:39
  Glen: Which was really fun.
• 2:18:40
  Glen: It wasn't
• 2:18:40
  Alexi: really like question though, it was just like an assumption and in my head it was happening.
• 2:18:44
  Alexi: So like they didn't really have a choice.
• 2:18:46
  Glen: Well did, but here's the funny thing, and I don't know how you felt about how the response came out, but it was, it was like pretty, uh, stone face.
• 2:18:56
  Glen: It was almost.
• 2:18:56
  Glen: Like an assumption of Yes, of course.
• 2:19:00
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:19:01
  Alexi: Well'cause
• 2:19:01
  Glen: also
• 2:19:01
  Alexi: because I had assumed it was just like a yes and that was happening in my life.
• 2:19:07
  Alexi: And then mom's reaction was kind of like, you haven't asked them.
• 2:19:11
  Alexi: Like, they might be really surprised or like, you know, they might have no idea.
• 2:19:14
  Alexi: And I was like, oh, like, that's a good point.
• 2:19:17
  Alexi: So then I was like, okay, I'll ask.
• 2:19:19
  Alexi: And then I was like literally 50 50 between like, they're gonna just be like, uh, like, yeah, why are you even asking?
• 2:19:25
  Alexi: Or they're gonna have that kind of big red.
• 2:19:27
  Alexi: Oh, oh my goodness.
• 2:19:28
  Alexi: Like, you know,
• 2:19:29
  Glen: I never thought, yeah, I wondered about the big reaction in the sense that they might hear it as I'm getting engaged.
• 2:19:34
  Glen: So I know
• 2:19:35
  Alexi: I was like, guys, and then I drop, we're not there.
• 2:19:39
  Glen: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:19:40
  Glen: But they, and they get, have
• 2:19:41
  Alexi: degree first.
• 2:19:42
  Alexi: yeah.
• 2:19:42
  Alexi: But no, I, I found it funny too because they also think it's like, so like the fact that I grew up with all the boys, like around, it's just like I asked and it was.
• 2:19:51
  Alexi: Like stone faced, like, yeah, of course we care about you.
• 2:19:54
  Alexi: Like that's the biggest honor.
• 2:19:55
  Alexi: Like they took it very serious.
• 2:19:57
  Alexi: And I was just like, that's so
• 2:19:59
  Glen: they took it very, very seriously.
• 2:20:00
  Glen: Very, I mean we,
• 2:20:01
  Alexi: I thought they would, they crack a joke or make fun of me, but it was like
• 2:20:04
  Glen: they didn't doing dad mode on me.
• 2:20:06
  Glen: Got you.
• 2:20:06
  Glen: Got you.
• 2:20:09
  Glen: You're totally right.
• 2:20:10
  Glen: You did get total, you got dad mode from Robb.
• 2:20:13
  Glen: I know Robb Eng gets mad.
• 2:20:15
  Glen: I was like.
• 2:20:16
  Alexi: I was like, why am I on Zoom with my four dads right now?
• 2:20:18
  Alexi: Like,
• 2:20:20
  Glen: that's, that's funny.
• 2:20:22
  Glen: 'cause we did talk about that in the episode where they were like, when we were talking about the beginning at 2005 and they were like, did you have, how many kids did you even have at that point?
• 2:20:32
  Glen: I'm like, Lexi was in the womb.
• 2:20:34
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:20:34
  Glen: When we started the band.
• 2:20:35
  Glen: So you literally,
• 2:20:37
  Alexi: I'm a product of the band.
• 2:20:38
  Alexi: You
• 2:20:38
  Glen: kind of came out with the band.
• 2:20:40
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:20:40
  Glen: And uh, your entire early years were
• 2:20:44
  Alexi: the wheat pools.
• 2:20:46
  Glen: PRobbably because it was my biggest part of my identity.
• 2:20:50
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:20:51
  Glen: I can't help but think that you pRobbably grew up just knowing that, or feeling, I don't know.
• 2:20:57
  Glen: You can tell me whether like that's what you knew me as.
• 2:21:00
  Glen: I don't know whether you, you know, how parents look at their, or kids look at their parents with what job they have when you're little and how you associate your parent or something.
• 2:21:09
  Glen: And I don't know what your association was, whether I was stay at home.
• 2:21:13
  Glen: Dad or you know,'cause I did graphic design and websites and to pay the bills or whether my whole life was music and band and going to shows and running the record label.
• 2:21:24
  Alexi: No, it was pretty Band Dad for like a.
• 2:21:27
  Alexi: At the start of my, like, memories.
• 2:21:29
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:21:29
  Alexi: Because I like when you were home, like, I didn't know you were like doing your work on your computer.
• 2:21:35
  Alexi: Right.
• 2:21:35
  Alexi: 'cause kale and I would hop off on the computer and like put a CD in it and watch a show like Right.
• 2:21:40
  Alexi: Like, I didn't know
• 2:21:41
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:21:41
  Glen: What
• 2:21:41
  Alexi: you were doing or what you were Up
• 2:21:42
  Glen: to you.
• 2:21:44
  Glen: It is, uh, it's, I, I used the term with, uh, another recent interview I had where it was like that beautiful oblivion of Yeah.
• 2:21:53
  Glen: Of being a, a kid and, uh, you don't need to.
• 2:21:56
  Glen: O and you don't care in the most sincere way.
• 2:22:00
  Glen: So I mean, that's totally fine.
• 2:22:02
  Glen: But yeah, it was very bandana.
• 2:22:04
  Glen: I remember like we would always leave on our road trips from the driveway.
• 2:22:09
  Glen: Yeah, right.
• 2:22:10
  Glen: You pRobbably, I don't know, you might remember I wasn't
• 2:22:12
  Alexi: being over'cause I remember when I was a little bit older, like near the end.
• 2:22:17
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:22:18
  Alexi: there was like one point where all the boys were like in there and, um, Robb Angus had sat down and colored with me.
• 2:22:23
  Alexi: Yeah, I just like, this is like some vivid memory I have, but Robb, I guess had sat down and colored with me like when you guys were all prepping and stuff and then you guys left and then mom made some comment about me having like a crush on Robb.
• 2:22:34
  Alexi: And then I like, I think for like the next few times I saw him, like whether it be like at the next act or if he was over, whatever, I like didn't wanna be near him.
• 2:22:42
  Alexi: 'cause I was like, oh my goodness, he knows I have a crush on him.
• 2:22:45
  Alexi: Like, I didn't know what it meant.
• 2:22:48
  Alexi: Uh, yeah.
• 2:22:49
  Alexi: But no, that's definitely what I remember.
• 2:22:50
  Alexi: That's kind of
• 2:22:50
  Glen: funny.
• 2:22:51
  Glen: It, I mean.
• 2:22:52
  Glen: There.
• 2:22:52
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:22:53
  Glen: I mean, that was pRobbably the McEwen house.
• 2:22:55
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 2:22:55
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Alexi: Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Alexi: I mean he
• 2:22:56
  Glen: was, it was just, yeah, it's, he was like really sweet to you and you really liked it.
• 2:23:02
  Glen: Mm-hmm.
• 2:23:02
  Glen: And who doesn't like the attention?
• 2:23:04
  Glen: Right.
• 2:23:04
  Glen: That's what it is really around when you're a.
• 2:23:07
  Glen: A kid and then, um, those guys were all so great with both you and Kale.
• 2:23:11
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:23:12
  Glen: All the time.
• 2:23:13
  Glen: And I often do remember both the leaving off the driveway and even coming back up and getting dropped off on the driveway.
• 2:23:20
  Glen: and you guys always coming out and, and yeah, those are like pretty vivid memories.
• 2:23:26
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 2:23:27
  Glen: Anyhow, uh, I'm really glad that you got to sort of share in that whole thing.
• 2:23:32
  Glen: I did find maybe there were a couple of.
• 2:23:35
  Glen: Really interesting parts.
• 2:23:36
  Glen: I'll point out one was, when we were talking about how we had a band of no friction, which was really true.
• 2:23:42
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:23:42
  Glen: Like we had a, we had a, a band of guys that
• 2:23:45
  Alexi: love each other started
• 2:23:46
  Glen: with respect.
• 2:23:47
  Alexi: Mm-hmm.
• 2:23:48
  Alexi: Right?
• 2:23:48
  Glen: Because you don't know each other super well and then you're forged into all.
• 2:23:51
  Glen: That life together.
• 2:23:52
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:23:53
  Glen: And then it, you know, there's already brothers, so there like, and just, yeah, a quick love, but I mean, people who love each other like have conflict all the time and we just, we didn't, and maybe a bit of it was avoidant, not the best personality version traits, but it didn't really matter because we found a way together.
• 2:24:15
  Glen: And I just found it interesting that Robb said pRobbably the only pRobblem the band ever might have had was.
• 2:24:22
  Glen: He drank an awful lot in the early days.
• 2:24:24
  Alexi: Yeah,
• 2:24:25
  Glen: and I, in real time kind of put together how I had a certain.
• 2:24:31
  Glen: A version of Robb in my mind.
• 2:24:34
  Glen: Mm-hmm.
• 2:24:35
  Glen: That doesn't exist now and hasn't existed for a long time that I never connected to.
• 2:24:40
  Glen: He drank too much because this is the thing about being in music, and I've said this a couple times.
• 2:24:46
  Glen: Maybe on the podcast is that it's a crazy culture where you're just surrounded.
• 2:24:52
  Glen: You're in bars, at least in that era especially, you're in bars all the time, every night of the week, like everybody's drinking all the time.
• 2:25:01
  Glen: It's hard to actually pick out who has the pRobblem.
• 2:25:04
  Glen: In any way, right?
• 2:25:05
  Glen: Mm-hmm.
• 2:25:06
  Glen: And you get a little like blinded to, you know, is this someone's personality or is this the alcohol personality?
• 2:25:14
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:25:14
  Glen: And anyhow, like we had never, again, this is the thing we had never talked about as a band.
• 2:25:20
  Glen: And then there we talk about it and, and the conversation around how and why we ended was awesome.
• 2:25:27
  Glen: So very transparent and vulnerable and honest and kind with one another I like, which I, uh, really, really appreciated.
• 2:25:39
  Glen: And um, and I guess I'm gonna say this one thing, which is I've had to listen to myself, interview and talk with a lot of people.
• 2:25:49
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:25:49
  Glen: Right.
• 2:25:50
  Glen: And I like doing it and I love conversation.
• 2:25:54
  Glen: But listening back or watching back especially.
• 2:25:57
  Glen: Even, I felt like that's a version of myself that I really like.
• 2:26:02
  Alexi: Hmm.
• 2:26:04
  Glen: Which says something about being around people that you love.
• 2:26:08
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:26:08
  Glen: I guess, which is pretty sweet.
• 2:26:10
  Glen: Right?
• 2:26:11
  Glen: and that they, and then the other one I played for you guys like that where, like, the other shocker is like, it always surprised me when Robb all of a sudden is like.
• 2:26:18
  Glen: Yeah, I'd like to play more shows.
• 2:26:21
  Glen: And then Stefan at the end is like, I guess my parting words is I don't think that we've seen still the last of the wee pool.
• 2:26:30
  Alexi: Well, I haven't been married yet, so That's true.
• 2:26:32
  Glen: Well, besides.
• 2:26:34
  Glen: Besides your wedding band reunion show where we just play evergreen on repeat over and over and over.
• 2:26:42
  Glen: If you imagine we just kept playing the same song mean people would
• 2:26:46
  Alexi: pick up on it
• 2:26:47
  Glen: over and over again.
• 2:26:48
  Glen: I feel like I'm gonna have to go get an evergreen tattoo with you.
• 2:26:52
  Alexi: amen.
• 2:26:52
  Alexi: You got a week to decide?
• 2:26:53
  Glen: I go.
• 2:26:54
  Glen: That's it?
• 2:26:55
  Glen: Yeah.
• 2:26:55
  Glen: Are you going to that person down in our, in Devon?
• 2:26:58
  Glen: Oh no.
• 2:26:59
  Glen: That Devon person.
• 2:26:59
  Glen: No, I don't
• 2:27:00
  Alexi: wanna go to that person.
• 2:27:01
  Glen: Okay.
• 2:27:02
  Glen: okay.
• 2:27:02
  Glen: Well.
• 2:27:03
  Glen: I thought we had nothing to talk about.
• 2:27:04
  Glen: Now it's been 14 minutes.
• 2:27:05
  Glen: So that's,
• 2:27:06
  Alexi: so it happens.
• 2:27:06
  Alexi: This is the longest and I haven't even watched the episode taken
• 2:27:11
  Glen: Sure.
• 2:27:12
  Glen: You're not supposed to disclose.
• 2:27:13
  Glen: Oh my bad.
• 2:27:13
  Glen: Um, okay.
• 2:27:15
  Glen: That's, uh, that's all.
• 2:27:16
  Glen: This is the longest episode ever.
• 2:27:18
  Glen: But I also think it's such a gooder and I hope, time flies and people love it so
• 2:27:24
  Alexi: well, I can say it's.
• 2:27:25
  Alexi: The best or my favorite because I'm not the the main host.
• 2:27:28
  Alexi: So I'll say this is my favorite.
• 2:27:30
  Alexi: Okay.
• 2:27:30
  Glen: That sounds good to me.
• 2:27:32
  Glen: Okay.
• 2:27:32
  Glen: Okay.
• 2:27:33
  Glen: Thanks for rolling with it this morning.
• 2:27:34
  Alexi: Yep.
• 2:27:35
  Glen: Okay.
• 2:27:35
  Glen: Bye.
• 2:27:36
  Glen: Love you.
• 2:27:36
  Alexi: Bye.