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The Cardinals Will Trade Nolan Arenado, Juan Soto's Massive Mets Deal & More! | Charlie Marlow · Kenny Wallace Media

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Hey, it's almost like coffee with Kenny, my good buddy Kenny
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Walls. Although it's not coffee, it's
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water. How about The Polar Express mug?
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20th year anniversary. Anybody ever did that?
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I'd never done it until Sunday. I went with the family.
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My two kids loved it. Polar Express, downtown Saint
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Louis. You go to the North Pole, you
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meet Santee Claus. A good time was had by all.
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You get your hot chocolate, you get your mug there.
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They had some cookies, gluten free, allergy free cookies.
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My son could actually eat them. How about that?
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But enough about all that. I want to let some of you join
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in first. But we're going to talk some
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baseball. I know I've been doing a lot of
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Ohio State college football stuff on the channel here.
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We're going to get back to our roots.
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Baseball, Cardinals, baseball winter meetings, what's going on
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with Nolan Arenado, Juan Soto, the massive contract.
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We'll talk about a little bit of everything.
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First of all, I'm not an insider, OK?
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So before I press live here, I want to make sure a anything
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new, any news, anything breaking on the old X on the old Twitter?
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And I did see a fairly recent tweet from Bob Nightingale with
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a a new piece of news, a new update, I should say, on the
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Nolan Arenado situation. And of course, I can't find it,
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so I'll just search. I know it just happened here.
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So it was something along the lines of this, as a matter of
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fact, it was this. So 40 minutes ago, Bob
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Nightingale, our good buddy, used to live in Saint Louis.
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Great guy, always comes on all the radio shows he tweets out or
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X posts. What are we calling it these
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days? The Saint Louis Cardinals have
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given permission for Nolan Aronado's agent, Joel Wolf, to
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speak directly to teams to help facilitate a trade.
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Aronado has a full no trade clause is willing to go to
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several teams with a list quote that's bigger than you would
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think and quote, Wolf says so there you go.
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If you thought it was only, let's say, the Yankees, only the
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Dodgers, according to his agent, it is the agent, Joel Wolf, who
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of course works for Nolan Arenado.
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That's how it works when you're an agent.
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It looks like there are several teams and a list quote that is
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bigger than you would think. End Quote.
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Let's be real, Nolan Arenado wants out of Saint Louis.
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He's not going to be a Cardinal in 2025.
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We all know that he gone. I would think at this point, any
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reasonable contender, right, that's that's trying to win now.
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I think the Cardinals are going to try, they're going to kind of
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half try to win in 2025. But also it's it's got to be a
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pretty big market team. So even if there are other teams
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or known Arnotta would want to go to them, it has to be a team
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that's willing to take on. I know we've done this 5,000,000
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times. Whatever his money owed is, and
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I believe we've done this, and I believe it's 74,000,000 minus
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the 10 from the Rockies. So it's 64,000,000 / 3 years,
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right? But there's money deferred.
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I don't even know exactly how much money is deferred.
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I'm not an expert, I'm not an insider.
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You may know that better than I. So it's not a terrible amount of
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money. It's not cheap, but it's not
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like you're going to get all these small to mid market teams
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necessarily. They're going to want to take on
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that contract. We shall see what happens.
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OK, let's go to the chat real quick.
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Keith Adams. Houston needs a third baseman.
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Matthew Ryan. Hey, Charlie.
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I never miss a video from you. Well, thank you very much,
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Matthew Ryan. I'm going to do more, more
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baseball stuff for sure. Let's see, Josh Hill wants a
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team with the throttle down, and there's Kim Belker.
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Hi, Charlie. I know Kim very well and her son
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Austin, a good buddy of mine. Hi, Kim.
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Thanks for jumping on. Thanks for watching the live
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stream here. Brought to you by Triad Bank,
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Saint Louis Lawn Care, Saint Louis Equipment Corner Butcher
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and Chophouse as well. So the most recent development
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that I just read for you from Bob Nightingale, Look, no one.
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Arnotto is long gone. If you didn't know that already.
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Look at it like this. How many times has John Mosaic
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ever actually mentioned a player's name to be traded?
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And then that guy wasn't traded first and foremost for years.
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I was on TV for a a bunch of years on radio forever until
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just a few months ago, anytime we had John Mozelock on ever TV
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radio doesn't matter. If you ever asked him about a
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specific player in free agency, he'd always vary and still does
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politely say, look, we don't talk about specific players.
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So you can, you can kind of work around like if you're asking
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about Trevor Bauer, you can ask about, oh, guys that have off
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the field issues and all that, or specific players.
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You, you can, you can try to talk about a group of players or
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starting pitchers, whatever it is.
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My point is that John Mozelock is not going to talk about
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specific players and free agency.
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And you, you tell me, guys, I don't know, guys and gals, when
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was the time ever, besides this offseason and the last offseason
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when John Mosaic basically said they're shopping Tyler O'Neill?
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I remember we had John Mosaic on our radio show at the time, Hot
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Take Central that morning, I believe it was a Friday.
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Somebody check on this. I'm pretty sure that morning
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when we had John Mosaic on and basically asked him about Tyler
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O'Neill because he had brought it up.
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So at that point, obviously you can you can ask him about it
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because he had brought it up. They traded Tyler O'Neill to the
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Red Sox, I believe, later that day on that Friday.
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Again, I go on a lot of tangents.
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That's what I do. But my point is John Mozelock is
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not going to bring up trading a player if that player is not
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going to be traded. I would be absolutely freaking
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shocked if Nolan Arenado was not dealt.
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He's going to get dealt somewhere in the same way.
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And, and I don't know exactly how it's been discussed or
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reported, but when you look around, you see that Steven Matz
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is being shopped as well. Just the fact that you're seeing
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a lot of that, I would also expect Steven Matz to be moved
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as well, just because John Mosaic doesn't usually just talk
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to talk right? Where there's smoke, there's
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usually fire. He said, hey, we're shopping
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Tyler O'Neill. Boom, he was traded for
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essentially a bucket of balls. They said.
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I mean, he just said the other day at the winter meetings, it
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is our intention or I will try whatever the exact words were.
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I don't know the exact words, but I will try.
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We will try to trade Nolan Arnato.
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He gone, folks. Nolan Arnato will not be a
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cardinal in 2025. All right?
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And you can take this video and come back and say, Charlie, you
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were wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong all the
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time. It's fine.
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He ain't going to be a card. You don't go through all this.
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And Mosaic said, look, probably not going to happen during the
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winter meetings, but the next couple of weeks, we shall see.
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I just ready to tweet from Bob Nightingale.
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He wants to leave. Nolan Aronado does.
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His agent wants him gone. The agents going to work
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directly with other teams. The list is bigger than you'd
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think. Nolan Aronado, He ain't going to
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be a Cardinal in 2025, folks. OK, let's get back to the chat.
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What do we got? Brianna Torres?
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See, there's lots of ladies watching this, or at least 2.
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Phillies won 2025. Philly's another team
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potentially for Nolan Arenado. We shall see.
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Frankie de Leon says Arenado is going to the Yankees.
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Let's see, Sir. Smokes a lot.
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What are you smoking, buddy? You've seen Jim Riley's idea.
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LAD gets NATO cards. Get Taylor Gosling.
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That Ryan Gosling. The actor.
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Is that Tony Gosselin and send LED 8.5 million Lol what a dumb
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ass. Cards take more money back than
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what they sent away. Jim Riley.
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Who's Jim Riley? I don't know.
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I love Chris Taylor by the way. Do the Cardinals want to take on
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any type of money? Probably not.
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Let's see. Charlie Smith, great name, good
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time for Arenado to go. He gone.
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Let's see, Keith Adams again says it's very telling that the
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baseball world has passed the Cardinals by and mow dug in like
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we were still relevant. Come on, it hurts to hear that
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sometimes. It hurts to hear the truth.
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I think the Cardinals are still quasi relevant.
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It's been a rough couple of years. 2023 was awful, this past
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year, not great. I actually think the Cardinals
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are going to be better than people expect in 2025.
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Now, I'm not saying they're going to make the play offs.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't.
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But I feel like the narrative around the Cardinals of a, we're
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not really going to try, which is not the case, but we're not
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full throttle. We're going to kind of reassess
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the minor league system. I just feel like the narrative,
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I could understand why people are like, oh, they're not going
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to try. It's going to be a mini rebuild.
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It's going to be a not a tank, but you know what I'm talking
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about. Wouldn't surprise me if the
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Cardinals are in a very similar position at the trade deadline
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next year as they are, as they were this past year.
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I think they're going to be better than you think.
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What's the win total? I'll look it up here.
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Somebody else want to look it up.
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What's the over under Cardinals wins for 2025?
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Is it around 500? I would think.
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Is it around 8081? I will look it up if one of you
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guys don't. But if if one of you looks it up
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real quick, put it in the chat and I'll read it there.
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Let's go to a mirror. Amir says, Hey, Charlie,
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apologies if this is already mentioned.
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No need to apologize. How much do you believe the team
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may have to cover in an Arenado deal?
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Do you suspect they can get back real talent in return, minor
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league depth? I don't know.
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I didn't think the money was that big of a deal, honestly.
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Again, if if we go back to whatever it is, it's 64 million
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and some of it's deferred. And let me know if that's not
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the exact total. I don't know.
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I looked it up in Baseball Reference.
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I know there's been some deferrals over three years.
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It's not like it's a horrible contract.
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It's not like Arenado is 40. It's not like no one.
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Arenado was bad last year. He was just what, slightly above
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average? I haven't looked up his numbers.
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I know he got better defensively right as the year went on.
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Let's look up his let's look up his numbers.
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I know they weren't great, don't get me wrong, but it's not like
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he's a bad player. He just wasn't the superstar
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player that we'd come to expect. OK, pretty average offensively,
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OPS plus of one O 1. All right, that was actually
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worse than I thought. Career 120 OPS plus.
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So he was one O 1. That's basically the definition
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of average. 16 moms, 71 RBI, 2.5 WAR.
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OK I don't know why for some reason I thought I thought he
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ended up being like a 1-10 ish OPS plus he was one O 8 in 2023.
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He was 151 OPS plus in 2022. OK so yeah the definition of
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average for 20 + 1,000,000 AV whatever it is. 2.5 WAR can
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still play some defense. Obviously not the defense of
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yesteryear when he won a Gold Glove pretty much every freaking
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year. Won a Gold Glove 2013 as a
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rookie won a Gold Glove all the way up until 2022 with the
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Cardinals when he was third in the MVP with what I said again,
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151 OPS plus. OK, so you're not getting that
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guy, but you're getting a pretty Dang.
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I still think he's going to be above average right.
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I, I think if you guys want to make a nice little gentleman's
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bet I I think Nolan Arenado's OPS plus will be it'll certainly
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be above one O 1 this coming year.
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I think I think also he just doesn't want to be here.
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He has only part of a of a the losing team in 2023, but just
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kind of a blah team in 2024. I bet you Nolan Arenado is is
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back to 1:10-ish plus OPS plus in 2025.
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What do you think? Or do you think he's just kind
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of done? You think he's just an average
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player here on out? What do you guys think?
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Let's see here. OK, I read all of your comments.
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There you go. Yeah, he's gone.
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I think it's interesting though, too, about who's going to stay.
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That's why the full rebuild doesn't make any sense.
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The Cardinals should still kind of try to win and then see what
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happens at the trade deadline. That's why, look, it's easy to
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say just get rid of everybody. Get rid of Contreras, get rid of
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Sonny Gray, you know, Fetty. I mean, obviously there's some
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pitchers you'd probably want to get rid of.
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Michaelis would be a salary dump at this point, don't you think?
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I mean, you still need innings. It's going to depend on what
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pitchers they want to give a look to in terms of of who do
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they want to get starts? Young guys, Polante, obviously
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Sonny Gray is going to get starts.
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Right now Matt is under contract, but I think he's going
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to be moved. Michaelis under contract.
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I think they'd like to move. Miles Michaelis.
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Who am I missing? Obviously you had you had guys
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like Kyle Gibson, Lancelin, who were were here this past year,
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options not picked up. I guess in theory you could
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bring somebody back. Could you bring a Kyle Gibson
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back? We shall see.
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Again, I think Aronado's gone. I think Mats is gone.
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We'll see who stays healthy. We'll see who they want to give
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a look. I think the following year
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that's more interesting for the starting pitching because the
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following year I think is when you'd want to give Quinn
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Matthews and or Tinkens a shot to get 25 plus big league
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starts. If that's the case, I'm talking
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2026. Hopefully those guys get a few
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starts, cup of coffee, spot start, whatever it is.
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Maybe a little call up action in 2025, but unless those guys are
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just unbelievable, right? Unless Quinn Matthews was just
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unbelievable in spring training, I don't think he's going to make
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the big league roster, but maybe he does.
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I don't know. I don't freaking know.
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We're just talking baseball here.
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OK, All right, Nelio, let's see, Neilio says.
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Noli. I think that's Nolan just
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doesn't handle losing baseball games well.
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If he gets to a true contender and their management places Noli
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in the right spot in the lineup, he can thrive for sure.
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Yes, I agree. Look, he already kind of forced
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his way out of Colorado and he didn't want to be there.
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He doesn't want to be here. He's not forcing his way out
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yet, but they're mutually parting ways.
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It's like a breakup. When you say it's not you, it's
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not me, it's us. When it's really always you or
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me, they always say it's not you, it's me, but it is.
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It's always you is what I'm trying to say.
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In this case, you is me. You get that?
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All right. Jonathan Scott says, Hey,
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Charlie, love the content. What are your thoughts on the
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cards holding on to Helsley? My guess is it is some posturing
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until some free agent closures move and some other closers
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trade it. Yeah.
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I don't think it makes sense to hold on to Ryan Helsley either
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because if you're not really trying to win, although they
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kind of will, but a great closer is kind of a luxury for a team
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that's not going all in. What's his, what's his
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arbitration going to be like 8.5 million?
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There's a guy that would make sense to qualifying offer him
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though after, after 2025, would he accept it?
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Probably not. He's going to get a huge
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contract. But I would think they're going
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to move Ryan Helsley. I think they get a really good
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offer for Ryan Helsley, right? We're still pretty early in the
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winter here. I would think Helsley's going to
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go. We shall see.
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I don't know, that's just my guess.
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Sheldon Richards, Where's Cat? What do you think?
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I live with Cat or something? Are they going to trade Jim
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Hayes? I don't think so.
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Let's see, Milio again. If you're not really into
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seriously contending from the get go, you got to get back some
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value for Hellesy. I think it's a must.
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I agree. Now, I will say this, will your
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package, not talking about your package here, but will your
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package be that much different at the trade deadline?
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If he's great than it is this winter, I mean, I think it'll
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certainly be more this winter, but man, if he's great and a a
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contender feels like he's the last thing they need to win a
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World Series. You'll still get a great return
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at the trade deadline, but a bigger return now.
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And I I think he'll also be moved.
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It's just my my take. No inside info.
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Lauren Foote. Look at all the ladies, I think.
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Lauren, are you a lady? I shouldn't assume no one get
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traded. Does Gorman take over third or
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someone else? You got Gorman as an option.
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What? Donovan can bounce all around.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I mean, I would think if, if you're playing Nolan Gorman at
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second, you would feel comfortable playing him at third
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also. I don't know.
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We shall see if the dude hits. Play him somewhere.
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Play him somewhere. Right.
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All right. Thank you, guys for watching.
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Got 37 of you watching live. Get your Cardinals comments,
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questions in. What do you think of the Juan
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Soto contract? We're talking 15 years,
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$765,000,000, right? Couldn't be just an easy even
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$50 million per year. No, $51 million per season.
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And I broke that down. That is, I did the math on the
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calculator. I'll do it again.
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It was something like $300,000 per game.
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Let's go ahead and do it on the old calculator here.
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All right, My phone's about to die.
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But $765 million? That's insane.
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Divided by 162 games. What?
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Oh, that's why I got to divide it by the years first.
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Hold on, stick with me. I'm not good at math.
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So 765,000,000. I should have just done 51.
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This is why I'm dumb. 765,000,000 / 15 K equals
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51,000,000 / 162 games. Look at that $314,814.00.
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We'll call it 82 cents. Let's just call it.
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Let's just round up, let's call it 315,000 dollars, $315,000 per
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game. Let's go by innings.
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It's like 35,000. This is how much Juan Soto is
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making per inning. Look, if you're out of college,
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right? I mean, I, I want people to make
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more, but like, if you're out of college, let's say you get a
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job, you're making $35,000 a year doing something.
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I don't know, I don't even know whatever.
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What's $35,000 a year hourly? So that's, let me see, divided
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by 52 weeks, OK, divided by 4040 hours a week.
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OK, so let's just say if you made about $35,000 per year,
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you'd be making, let's just call it, $17.00 per hour, right?
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I think that checks out. Juan Soto is making $35,000 per
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inning, 300 and whatever, whatever that number was,
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$318,000 per game. That is crazy.
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What do you guys think of that deal?
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That's insane. But hey, I'm all for the players
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getting paid as much as possible.
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Anybody that gets mad about that, I've seen a couple people
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on X YouTube complain about it, couple people in my comments,
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and I'm always like like one person.
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I'm not trying to do the straw man, but sometimes you just get
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one comment or so somebody was like, I'm, I'm just sick of
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baseball. I'm not going to watch or
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whatever the comment was. And I'm thinking to myself,
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well, do you feel the same way about Steve Cohen?
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I know Steve Cohen's the owner and he made his money, but but I
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feel like we always worry about the players.
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So Steve Cohen is worth, I think 21 billion.
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I looked that up the other day. I mean, if a dude's worth 21
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billion and he wants to pay one of the greatest players of his
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generation 3/4 of a billion dollars to play baseball, why
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are you mad about that? I'm not mad about it.
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I'm not mad about Juan Soto making that much money.
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I'm not mad about Steve Cohen making 21 billion or whatever
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he's worth, right? These people are the best at
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what they do in the world, on the planet.
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And it's a very coveted position, right?
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I mean, he's one of the, he's one of the best hitters,
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offensive players because also in terms of on base and walking,
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I mean, one of the things he does so well is his power plus
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his walks, his on base. It's something up there.
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I I saw a graphic where he's up there with like only 5, only
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five players I think in the history of baseball.
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Let me look this up because you know how it look, like I said,
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I'm not writing this down, folks.
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I believe the stat I saw was something like players that had
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more than 200 homers. Yeah, he has 201 homers and over
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700 walks and he has 769 walks and he's still, is he 25?
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He just turned, he just turned 26 October 25th.
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So I think the stat was how many players that had over 200 homers
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and over 700 walks before their 26th birthday or something like
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that. And it was just like a crazy
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list of, you know, Babe Ruth and couple other unbelievable
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players. Juan Soto in seven years, OPS
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plus career 160 batting average 285 on base, 421 career on base
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percentage 532 career slug. He's really, really, really
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good. His WAR was 7.9 this past year,
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the best of his career at age 25.
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His age 25 season. That's pretty good, folks.
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Pretty good. Let's see, I left that Lauren
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Foote comment up there a while. How about you, Mama, package
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other players with Nolan and Helsley, Nolan and Newt to LA.
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Don't you want to keep Newt for Miller and Taylor, Helsley and
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Donovan to the East Coast for prospects?
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Don't you want to keep Donovan? Why keep Newton Donovan if this
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is a 2 to three-year reset? OK, so you answered the question
24:04
that I was asking during reading your question.
24:09
I don't think it's a 2-3 year reset.
24:10
I think it's a one year reset. I do.
24:13
I think 2026, you're thinking Sonny Gray's around.
24:18
You're thinking hopefully Jordan Walker has emerged.
24:20
We'll see what happens with Gorman.
24:21
I want nude around. I want Brendan Donovan around.
24:25
Hopefully Quinn Matthews and Tink hence are our players.
24:29
Then I'm keeping those guys. I don't think this is a 2 to
24:32
three-year reset. I think they could be really
24:34
good potentially in 2026. I do.
24:37
Could be wrong, could be wrong. Let's see, Amir, you still
24:41
believe in Gorman, Charlie. I don't know any comps with his
24:44
tools slash profile that have bounced back from struggles like
24:47
his in 2024. Yeah, I don't know.
24:49
I mean, I don't believe in Gorman like I do Walker.
24:52
But Gorman also might be in the modern era.
24:56
He just might be a dude who hits two.
24:59
I was going to say 220. He he could hit 195 with 30
25:04
bombs. I mean, could he walk a little
25:06
bit? I know that's not what you want,
25:09
but like players like that are still can still be valuable.
25:13
Let me look at let me look up his numbers here because I have
25:16
not looked at these guys in a while.
25:18
So what do we got for Gorman again, I know that's not what
25:23
you're looking for. All right, he had an 85 OPS
25:26
plus. It's very bad previous two
25:30
years, one O 4 OPS plus in 22116 in 2023.
25:34
I mean, what if you got his rookie year numbers, folks, one
25:38
O 4 OPS plus, OK, I know you don't love it, but that's a 226
25:42
average, a 300 on base slugging, 420.
25:46
That was 14 bombs and 89 games, right?
25:50
Not going to probably play every day.
25:52
Match him up. I mean, in 2023, he had 27
25:57
homers, if you could get anywhere close to that, right?
26:02
Who cares about the batting average, 236 batting average,
26:04
whatever. If he can get anywhere near that
26:07
328 on base, he slugged 478. I mean, if this dude hit 200
26:14
with a 300 on base, if he can somehow get his slug up to like
26:18
440, he's still probably an average player that's still
26:24
plays, right? I don't know.
26:26
I don't really have that much confidence in Nolan Gorman to be
26:28
a superstar, but I I I'll say I think I have confidence in Nolan
26:32
Gorman to be a solid big leaguer.
26:36
I would think still, yeah. Let's see Thurman Vaught.
26:41
I would do arnotto and nude bar for Bobby Miller and Zahir Hope.
26:47
Let's see endless equinox. Lol 35 KA year.
26:52
Do janitors go to college now? Well, it depends on the IT
26:55
depends on the the field, right? OK, I guess most people going to
27:01
college, if it wasn't back in the day, like you're going to
27:03
broadcasting, we didn't make nothing back in the day, our
27:06
first job. OK, so 35 KA year doesn't matter
27:09
if you go to college or not. That wasn't really the point.
27:12
So $17.00 an hour. OK, you're a janitor, whatever.
27:16
I mean, if you have an office job out of college, are you
27:20
making 40 KA year? I don't even know.
27:21
I have no, I have no clue. I'm just saying, OK, let's say
27:26
you you just graduate high school and you start working,
27:30
doing something. Roofing.
27:33
Are you making $17.00 an hour? Are you making more?
27:35
I don't know. I have no freaking clue.
27:37
Let me know. OK, Let's see.
27:42
Dennis Kasumba. Is that like trying to get me to
27:45
say something inappropriate? Do the Cardinals have any
27:48
interest in signing Dennis Kasumba?
27:51
I don't know that person. I don't know all the prospects.
27:53
OK, let's see. Ryan Claus.
27:56
Santa Claus's son, I feel awful for NATO.
28:00
He got played. Yeah, I think he was misled, but
28:04
also he wasn't that good, folks. It's also on him.
28:08
One of the reasons the Cardinals weren't good the last couple
28:10
years, he wasn't that good. He also has a little pouty,
28:13
pouty, right, Not running balls out.
28:15
Where was he at the end of 2023? At the end, when he was banged
28:19
up? He didn't want to be here,
28:21
didn't want to be here. It's his fault.
28:23
It's Cardinals fault. It's everybody's fault likes are
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Here we go. Let's see.
28:37
Ryan Claus says it's so hard trying to find a communications
28:39
based job with my degree and the ones that will hire right now
28:42
pay 32K off. That's what I was thinking.
28:44
I mean, some degrees, you got to start out, well, I started out
28:49
super low, and this was 2000 and what, 4?
28:54
It was less than 35 K, I'll tell you that.
28:56
It's freaking half that. Basically, Upper Peninsula,
28:58
Michigan, one of the smallest markets in the country.
29:02
Yeah, so that's what I was saying.
29:02
I was just saying more. So, OK, if you're like 18 or 20
29:05
or whatever, 35 K is probably somewhere within the average or
29:10
national average. And that's what Juan Soto makes.
29:13
Per inning, folks. Per inning.
29:17
Let's see, Dwayne Smith seems he can't handle when we lose versus
29:21
winning and lacks hustle. Talking about Aronado, I think
29:24
that's fair. I think that's fair.
29:26
Here we go yo Mama. Median income in Saint Louis
29:30
area is $27.00 an hour. OK, but it but median is for
29:36
everybody, right? So that's people that are
29:39
30405060 I would think so. I don't know the number, but I
29:42
would say 35,000 out of college. It's not crazy.
29:46
I don't know. Let me know if you're out of
29:48
college. Like, what do you get?
29:49
What do you make for a manual labor job, right?
29:52
Or a high skilled trade job? I don't know.
29:55
Let me know. OK.
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We talked about Nolan Coronado. We talked about Juan Soto, Ryan
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32:27
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The other channel. We're trying to build it up, but
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I don't have a ton of time. NASCAR, Kenny Wallace, Herman
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We do it all on the Kenny Wallace YouTube channel, Herman
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YouTube channel. All right, Sheldon Richards says
33:22
should make Dana White the commissioner of MLB.
33:24
Biggest contract would be 10 years, $2,000,000 deal.
33:29
Yeah, I don't think the players would go for that.
33:31
Dennis Kasuma is the catcher from Uganda with all the videos
33:35
on YouTube. OK.
33:36
I feel like I've seen that kid. Is he is he that good?
33:38
I don't know. I've seen a catcher with the
33:40
videos. Is he that great?
33:42
How old is he? I have no clue, but I have seen
33:45
some videos. I'm guessing that's a person
33:47
you're talking about a couple of hard things.
33:51
How about this golden at bat? What do you think of that?
33:54
Come on now. And I like, I like some of the
33:56
stuff that probably baseball does more than other people.
34:00
Like everybody complaints about the, you know, the the runner on
34:06
2nd 10th inning. That doesn't really bother me.
34:10
This golden at bat, though, that's where you're starting to
34:14
stretch it into just being comical right now.
34:19
Again, my whole thing, though, is like, I don't mind if you
34:21
tinker with stuff in the regular season if you're essentially
34:26
breaking ties, right? Because at that point, to me,
34:30
it's essentially entertainment. If you don't do all these crazy
34:33
kooky things in the playoffs, I'm fine with a lot of them.
34:37
Same with hockey. The three on three overtime,
34:41
look, if it's a close game, if it's tied, you do the quick
34:44
overtime, you do the shootout, whatever it is.
34:46
You do the three on three overtime, it's essentially a
34:48
tie. I'm I'm OK with doing kind of
34:51
some weird quirky stuff around ties in the regular season.
34:55
I don't want any of that crap during the playoffs.
34:58
That's where I stand on a lot of this stuff.
34:59
What do you guys think Cards need Tucker, Tucker Carlson or
35:05
Kyle Tucker? Talk about Kyle Tucker.
35:08
I've seen that Kyle Tucker could be potentially moved.
35:13
Let's see you, Mama. Soda will age well, 15 years, a
35:18
long time. The first seven years will be
35:20
worth it. The last 8 will be an overpay,
35:22
but not by a ton. The 51 million now will be like
35:25
30 million then. Yeah, but also, you're getting a
35:27
young dude. He's 26.
35:30
You're getting until age 40. But a guy like that with his
35:33
plate discipline that can walk, you don't think even I would
35:38
think they're going to get 10 good years.
35:40
I mean, 10 good years till he's 35 ish.
35:44
Even then, I mean he's going to fall off a little bit, but you
35:48
don't think he's still going to be able to walk?
35:49
You don't think he's still going to be able to Jack some home
35:53
runs? I think I think it's going to be
35:55
a pretty Dang good deal. The thing about Soto is I don't
35:59
want to compare him to Jason Hayward, but one of the things,
36:01
remember when Jason Hayward was the big free agent, one of the
36:05
things we all touted, where people touted was, oh, he's so
36:08
young, right, Because he was a super young, super young free
36:12
agent. Well, he had been OK, but it was
36:15
almost like they were selling you more on the youth than the
36:18
production. Why?
36:19
And so do you get both? You get a super young guy, one
36:22
of the youngest, youngest free agents we've seen in years, and
36:26
he's super productive. It's the best of both worlds
36:28
there. OK.
36:30
Yeah. Kyle Tucker.
36:33
I knew you meant Kyle Tucker, not Tucker Carlson.
36:35
I was joking. Dwayne Smith, If Cards have
36:39
another offseason, does Ollie go?
36:41
Yeah, I would think so. Well, it depends also if Hein
36:45
Bloom likes him, right? I would think Hein Bloom's
36:47
running the show. Obviously, 2026.
36:49
If he wants a new manager, he'll get a new manager in 2026.
36:53
I didn't think getting rid of Ollie was a huge deal this past
36:56
year. You have a lot of other things
36:57
to clean up moves to be made reassess the minor league system
37:02
development all that If Ollie's good, he can stay beyond 2025.
37:06
If he's not get rid of him clean slate hind bloom with whoever he
37:10
wants to be the manager in 2026. Let's see Ryan Claus Soto deal
37:18
is sort of like Albert deal. I'd rather take Albert even
37:20
though he wasn't like the cards version entire career, but it's
37:23
kind of like the first Albert deal.
37:25
That's the deal. It's it's like the first really
37:27
good one. Not exactly, but it's like the
37:29
1st 10 year deal, right? You're getting him young.
37:31
Not not the crap. No, I shouldn't say crap.
37:36
That was mean. I mean, you're probably going to
37:37
get some crap years at the end of Juan Soto.
37:39
There were some bad years at the end of Albert with the Angels.
37:42
Did he have about four or five good years with the Angels?
37:45
But I mean, every year with the Cardinals was good.
37:48
I would think the first ten years of this deal for the Mets
37:51
to be pretty good for Juan Soto. I would guess.
37:54
Let's see, Dempsey, Callahan, I think Arnott and Goldie were bad
37:58
for the locker room and are not leaders.
38:00
They stay in their heads. My prediction is the clubhouse
38:04
will be better shape. We'll be in better shape now.
38:06
We'll produce a better team. Yeah.
38:08
I don't think they were bad for the locker room.
38:10
I certainly don't think Goldie was bad for the clubhouse.
38:13
Maybe not vocal leaders. I get that.
38:16
I mean, I do think it was a pretty big indictment after 2023
38:20
that the Cardinals essentially said, hey, we got to bring in
38:23
like Lance Lynn and all these veteran guys and Kyle Gibson and
38:29
bringing back Matt Carpenter and Brandon Crawford because they
38:33
needed more clubhouse leaders. I I think that was a pretty,
38:36
pretty strong indictment of the clubhouse in 2023.
38:41
And that's everybody. That's Ollie, that's the
38:43
players. I don't think Goldie was a bad
38:46
clubhouse guy whatsoever. And I covered both these guys.
38:48
I think both pretty quiet. I think Arenado pouts.
38:52
And they also just didn't have good years, right?
38:55
They didn't hit the last couple years.
38:57
That's the main part. Let's see, big overpay in my
39:01
opinion. 800 million for taking ball 4 so much yes walks lead
39:07
the wins 800 million Sheesh that is true.
39:10
I can see him going awful at 28 only because he started so
39:15
young. I don't think about that.
39:16
I think he's going to be really good till he's at least 35 or
39:19
so. If Contreras fails, Thurman
39:23
Vaught, who is your future 1st baseman in 2026?
39:26
Well, I mean, Contreras better not fail because he's under
39:29
contract for what, three more years with an option?
39:31
So I think he's your first baseman, folks.
39:34
And that's another thing. Look, you signed Wilson
39:37
Contreras to be your catcher for five years plus an option.
39:40
He caught what, half of a couple seasons?
39:44
You essentially want to move him to the outfield about a month
39:47
into that contract. And I know he's been a really
39:49
good hitter. I'm a big Wilson Contreras fan.
39:51
But let's let's not act like that contract has been anything
39:54
like what they thought it was going to be replacing Yachty.
39:57
It's fine. I mean, he's a first baseman
39:59
now. He can hit.
40:00
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it'll be a bad contract,
40:03
but that's not at all what you envisioned.
40:05
And also, if you think he's going to be a first baseman two
40:09
years in, do you even sign him, you know, at that point?
40:13
Do you steer a Gorman or a Walker more towards first base
40:17
in their development? That's the thing, like you're
40:19
kind of shifting pieces. I, I, I think they wanted to
40:23
make Nolan, not Nolan or not. I think they wanted to make
40:26
Wilson Contreras an outfielder pretty early on in his tenure.
40:29
I think that offseason you saw reports of that.
40:30
He didn't want to do it. Well, now you don't need
40:32
outfielders. Now you need a first baseman.
40:34
So I'm not saying look, first baseman, outfield.
40:37
I think Nolan keeps saying Nolan Arenado, sorry, Wilson
40:39
Contreras. I, I think he could probably
40:41
play either. But right now there's a need at
40:43
first base. So we'll see.
40:45
Defensively, it's going to be a drop off.
40:47
It's absolutely going to be a drop off from Paul Goldschmidt,
40:49
who's elite has been elite. So picking balls over there.
40:54
We'll see what happens. I don't think he's going to be a
40:55
butcher, but there's going to be a drop off for sure from Paul
40:59
Goldschmidt. Let's see Ryan Claus on Soto.
41:06
Maybe he's different and is guaranteed Hall of Famer right
41:09
now he's not. I think he'll he'll be in the
41:11
Hall of Fame. I think so let's see here you
41:15
Mama golden bat rule has to be a joke If you're going to RIP off
41:18
banana ball stuff, RIP off the rule that when a fan catches a
41:21
foul balls and out. I do like that rule for banana
41:24
ball. Let's see, Thurman Vaughn, if
41:28
Chase Davis and JJ Weatherholt, they're ready in 2026.
41:31
What do you do with Donovan and Burley?
41:33
I don't know. These things will.
41:34
Hey, they'll all play themselves out, right?
41:36
They'll all play themselves out. Whoever hits is going to stay,
41:40
right? If Gorman can't hit, who knows?
41:42
He's going to be on the bench. He's going to be moved.
41:44
Does he mean another guy like all these other players that get
41:46
moved when they have no value, like a Dylan Carlson or whoever?
41:51
Tyler O'Neill, by the way, Tyler O'Neill.
41:53
Good for him. Nice contract.
41:55
Three years. What 49 and a half million has
41:59
an opt out? Maybe opts out after the first
42:01
year. Hopefully he stays healthy.
42:02
I'm a big Tyler O'Neill fan. I know he's got to stay healthy
42:04
100%. Look, that was the main problem
42:06
with Tyler O'Neill. The best ability is
42:09
availability. But also I'll never, I'll never,
42:12
I'll never go astray from this take.
42:15
He was done wrong by Ollie. Ollie never should have called
42:19
him out publicly. That fractured the relationship
42:21
to the point where they had to move him for a bucket of balls
42:24
when of course you have a super motivated player in your walk
42:27
here. That made no sense, made no
42:29
sense. I said at the time, it just made
42:32
no sense. I get, I get calling him out, I
42:35
get it. Do it behind closed doors.
42:37
He was running at like 93% of his top Sprint speed.
42:40
Made no sense to call him out publicly.
42:42
I've never seen a professional athlete.
42:44
Everybody that's weighed in on this topic the last couple
42:46
years, I've never seen anybody back Ollie on that just made no
42:51
sense. You lost the player.
42:52
You had to trade him away for a bucket of balls the next year.
42:55
That was stupid. That was stupid.
42:57
No excuses. Sorry.
42:59
Sorry. And you know I'm right about
43:00
that. You know I'm right about that,
43:03
right? I'm wrong about a lot of things.
43:06
I'm right about that one. Jeff Castle walks singles and
43:08
double s. Equal wins.
43:10
I don't want every hitter on the team trying to hit home runs.
43:12
Yeah, especially at good old Busch Stadium.
43:15
Hit some balls in the gap and run, baby.
43:17
Let's see, Scott Jennings is a lifelong Cardinals fan.
43:22
Lol. Is that the dude on CNN?
43:24
Is that what you're talking about?
43:26
Scott Jennings, is that what you're talking about?
43:29
Why are you trying to make a political dude?
43:30
We're trying to talk sports here.
43:31
OK man, come on, Ryan. But thank you for your comments.
43:34
I appreciate it. One more topic.
43:37
Let's see. Yes, he's talking about Scott
43:38
Jennings. He's the dude on CNN where it's
43:41
always like 5 versus 1. He's the one conservative versus
43:44
like 5 Democrats. Seems like I don't really watch,
43:47
to be honest with you. I don't watch, but I see the
43:49
clips, see the clips on X and Speaking of X, I'm going to go
43:54
back to it because I thought this was kind of funny.
43:57
It's not funny, but telling and I was joking.
44:01
So basically foul territory. Great show.
44:04
AJ Pierzynski and all them they put it out there.
44:08
Joel Wolf, the agent again. We mentioned Joel Wolf earlier.
44:11
He's Arnotto's agent, but Joel Wolf, the agent, said Roki
44:15
Sasaki could benefit from a soft landing in a small to mid market
44:20
team, partially because of how tough the Japanese media has
44:24
been on his mental health. And by the way, I'm not making
44:28
fun of the dude at all. I'm going to comment.
44:30
But mental health is a is a real thing.
44:33
I'm not trying to Pooh Pooh that OK.
44:35
But also, like, if you're in the big leagues, isn't that pretty
44:39
stressful anywhere? I know you could have more media
44:42
attention in some big markets than others, but like you're
44:44
still on the mound with millions of people watching, 10s of
44:49
thousands of people watching. Like even if you play for the
44:51
Seattle Mariners or whatever, right?
44:54
So I'm all for the dude. Hey, be comfortable where you're
44:58
at if you want to play somewhere.
44:59
And my joke was, you know, Sasaki to the Cardinals confirm,
45:03
because we're we're a nice soft landing right mid market team.
45:06
They're not going to get them. I'm just joking, but my point is
45:09
more so if I'm signing a pitcher to a big contract, that's also
45:14
not what I want to hear, right? Maybe that's not fair because
45:18
mental health is real thing. I feel for these dudes.
45:21
There's pressure and some people can't handle the pressure.
45:23
But if I'm about to sign a pitcher or a player to a big
45:27
contract and they're like, I don't want to play certain
45:30
places for my mental health. Like, I understand if you just
45:35
don't like all the media. I think that's different.
45:39
Like Sonny Gray, it seemed like he wanted to play with the
45:42
Cardinals, right? And he lives in Nashville, kind
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of close to where he's from. Maybe not as much craziness with
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the media. I get that.
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And that can weigh on your mental health.
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I'm just saying if I'm trying to give out a huge contract, I
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don't love that. What do you think?
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What do you guys think? You agree, disagree.
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What do you got? What do you got?
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All right, you know what? We've gone 46 minutes, 41 of you
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Thank you so much. I think we're going to wrap it
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Let's see. Yeah, I got a couple more.
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What do we got? Sorry if you already hit this,
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but Nado being gone, who's playing third base Move Gorman
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backs to JC Donovan. Yeah, I didn't even mention to
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JC. They got options.
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They got options. Arnado is as good as gone,
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folks. I like the Cardinals position
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players. I said that last year.
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I was wrong last year. I may be wrong again.
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You throw out those position players, You throw out a bucket
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of Donovan, Newt Walker Gorman Burley, said JC We got
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Contreras. I mentioned Burley.
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Who am I missing? Whoever's catching Herrera Pai
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haste. But OK, I'll, I'll say him again
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because I forgot already, but Newt Donovan, Walker Gorman
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said. JC Contreras Burley, right.
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I mean, aren't you, aren't you fairly high on almost all those
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guys? That's seven dudes, right?
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Whatever's going on at catcher. Who am I missing?
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Oh, duh. I mean, I'm missing freaking
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Mason win. Come on now, Mason win.
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Like you're not you're not pretty excited about that group
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of position players, folks. I am.
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I I still think they're going to be good.
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I still think they're going to hit.
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If I'm wrong again, I'm wrong again.
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OK, Kim Belker says Walker to 3rd.
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I don't know. Walker's a big boy.
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You really messed messed with that dude, right?
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Send them up, send them down third base in the minors, play
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right field. Does it make sense to move them
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to first or third now? Maybe That's what I'm saying.
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That's why I like the Contreras contract, OK?
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If they don't sign Contreras, they have different plans at
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first base moving forward for somebody like a Gorman
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potentially or a Jordan Walker, right?
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All these things come into play. Luke and Baker, you Mama
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mentioning. Yeah, I don't know what Lukan
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Baker looks like in the big leagues.
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Maybe he's a bench bat. I don't know.
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We shall see. Thurman Vaught says can't wait
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till Michaelis in his 1970's porn mustache is gone at the end
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of the year. Yeah, I I think the time has
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come to part ways after this year or we'll see.
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He's under contract. So, you know, if they're getting
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rid of him this year, it's probably going to be a salary
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dump. You always need innings.
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I know you don't love Miles Michaelis, but you always need
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innings. I still think the Cardinals are
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going to be pretty decent. And if they're decent, don't the
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Cardinals try to have to win at the at the trade deadline,
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right? Don't they have to after two
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years? I'm not saying go big, but like
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if they're in the mix, I think they owe it to the fan base to
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try after two years not making the playoffs, right.
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So are you going to trade away some pitching in the offseason
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that you might need back? That's that's why I like Fetty.
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I think the Cardinals going to be OK.
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If the Cardinals are three games out of the wild card, it's hard
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not to be in the wild card folks.
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You have to be really crappy. You have to be really crappy to
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not be in the wild card. If the Cardinals are three games
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out of the wild card at the trade deadline, I think they
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have to try to to stay in it, right?
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This is kind of what a soft rebuild is.
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I'm not saying go big, but add a reliever.
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You have to add a a depth starting pitcher.
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It is what it is, right? All right, Weatherholt coming up
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fast. JJ Weatherholt.
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I'd avoid trying to move Walker back.
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That's from Josh Hill. Arnotto for Alec Bomb.
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Straight up. Philly eats the contract.
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I don't know. We shall see you, Mama, says
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Contreras, Baker, Burley carousel at first base.
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DH Baker hits lefties. Burleson hits righties.
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All good ideas. All right, I'm going to shut her
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watching. And also the Pelicans moving
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here, of course, our NBA team in 2028.
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I love it. I would love it.
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Not going to happen, but it's fun to talk about.
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We went 51 minutes. Pretty good, right?
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All right, guys, We'll see. You have a great holiday season.
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Christmas. I'll.
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I'll see you again. I'll do another live stream.
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I'm looking like Dexter. Is that a compliment?
51:12
I don't know. I never watched this show,
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although I heard it's good. All right.
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I got to shut her down. See you guys.
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Love you all. Peace out.