Latest / Morning Medical with Dr. Chow / Ultraprocessed Foods, Cognitive Decline, and FDA's MDMA Stance for PTSD
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- 0:00Welcome to Morning Medical with Dr.
- 0:01Chow.
- 0:03I am your host, Dr.
- 0:04Chi-Ming Chow, and today we have an intriguing lineup of topics to dive into.
- 0:10We will be discussing the ubiquitous presence of ultraprocessed foods in our diets, the
- 0:15cognitive decline in husbands after a spouse's cardiovascular disease event, and the potential
- 0:20impact of MDMA rejection on psychedelic research.
- 0:25But first, let's talk about ultraprocessed foods.
- 0:31Whether they know it or not, most Americans do not go a day—or often a single meal—without
- 0:37eating ultraprocessed foods.
- 0:39From sugary cereals at breakfast to frozen pizzas at dinner, plus in-between snacks of
- 0:44potato chips, sodas, and ice cream, ultraprocessed foods make up about sixty
- 0:49percent of the U.S.
- 0:51diet.
- 0:52For kids and teens, it is even higher—about two-thirds of what they eat.
- 0:57That is concerning because ultraprocessed foods have been linked to a host of negative health
- 1:02effects, from obesity and diabetes to heart disease, depression, dementia, and more.
- 1:08One recent study suggested that eating these foods may raise the risk of early death.
- 1:14Nutrition science is tricky, though, and most research so far has found connections, not
- 1:19proof, regarding the health consequences of these foods.
- 1:24Food manufacturers argue that processing boosts food safety and supplies and offers a cheap,
- 1:29convenient way to provide a diverse and nutritious diet.
- 1:34Even if the science were clear, it is hard to know what practical advice to give when
- 1:39ultraprocessed foods account for what one study estimates is seventy-three percent of the U.S.
- 1:44food supply.
- 1:46So, what exactly are ultraprocessed foods?
- 1:49Most foods are processed, whether it is by freezing, grinding, fermentation,
- 1:55pasteurization, or other means.
- 1:58In 2009, Brazilian epidemiologist Carlos Monteiro and colleagues first proposed a system
- 2:04that classifies foods according to the amount of processing they undergo, not by nutrient
- 2:10content.
- 2:12At the top of the four-tier scale are foods created through industrial processes and with
- 2:17ingredients such as additives, colors, and preservatives that you could not duplicate in a
- 2:23home kitchen, said Kevin Hall, a researcher who focuses on metabolism and diet at the National
- 2:29Institutes of Health.
- 2:31'These are most, but not all, of the packaged foods you see,' Hall said.
- 2:37Such foods are often made to be both cheap and irresistibly delicious, said Dr.
- 2:42Neena Prasad, director of the Bloomberg Philanthropies’ Food Policy Program.
- 2:47'They have just the right combination of sugar, salt, and fat and you just cannot stop eating
- 2:53them,' Prasad said.
- 2:56However, the level of processing alone doesn’t determine whether a food is unhealthy or not,
- 3:01Hall noted.
- 3:02Whole-grain bread, yogurt, tofu, and infant formula are all highly processed, for instance,
- 3:08but they are also nutritious.
- 3:11So, are ultraprocessed foods harmful?
- 3:15Here’s the tricky part.
- 3:16Many studies suggest that diets high in such foods are linked to negative health outcomes.
- 3:22But these kinds of studies cannot say whether the foods are the cause of the negative
- 3:27effects—or whether there is something else about the people who eat these foods that might
- 3:31be responsible.
- 3:33At the same time, ultraprocessed foods, as a group, tend to have higher amounts of sodium,
- 3:38saturated fat, and sugar, and tend to be lower in fiber and protein.
- 3:43It is not clear whether it is just these nutrients that are driving the effects.
- 3:49Hall and his colleagues were the first to conduct a small but influential experiment that
- 3:54directly compared the results of eating similar diets made of ultraprocessed versus unprocessed
- 4:00foods.
- 4:02Published in 2019, the research included twenty adults who went to live at a National
- 4:07Institutes of Health center for a month.
- 4:11They received diets of ultraprocessed and unprocessed foods matched for calories, sugar,
- 4:17fat, fiber, and macronutrients for two weeks each and were told to eat as much as they
- 4:23liked.
- 4:24When participants ate the diet of ultraprocessed foods, they consumed about five
- 4:29hundred calories per day more than when they ate unprocessed foods, researchers found—and
- 4:34they gained an average of about two pounds (one kilogram) during the study period.
- 4:40When they ate only unprocessed foods for the same amount of time, they lost about two pounds
- 4:45(one kilogram).
- 4:48Hall is conducting a more detailed study now, but the process is slow and costly and results
- 4:53are not expected until late next year.
- 4:56He and others argue that such definitive research is needed to determine exactly how
- 5:01ultraprocessed foods affect consumption.
- 5:03'It is better to understand the mechanisms by which they drive the deleterious health
- 5:08consequences, if they’re driving them,' he said.
- 5:12Should ultraprocessed foods be regulated?
- 5:15Some advocates, like Prasad, argue that the large body of research linking ultraprocessed
- 5:21foods to poor health should be more than enough to spur government and industry to change
- 5:26policies.
- 5:27She calls for actions such as increased taxes on sugary drinks, stricter sodium restrictions
- 5:33for manufacturers, and cracking down on marketing of such foods to children, the same
- 5:38way tobacco marketing is curtailed.
- 5:41“Do we want to risk our kids getting sicker while we wait for this perfect evidence to
- 5:45emerge?” Prasad said.
- 5:48Earlier this year, FDA Commissioner Robert Califf broached the subject, telling a
- 5:53conference of food policy experts that ultraprocessed foods are 'one of the most
- 5:59complex things I have ever dealt with.' But, he concluded, 'We have got to have the scientific
- 6:05basis and then we have got to follow through.'
- 6:08How should consumers manage ultraprocessed foods at home?
- 6:12In countries like the U.S., it is hard to avoid highly processed foods—and not clear which ones
- 6:18should be targeted, said Aviva Musicus, science director for the Center for Science in the
- 6:23Public Interest, which advocates for food policies.
- 6:27“The range of ultraprocessed foods is just so wide,” she said.
- 6:32Instead, it is better to be mindful of the ingredients in foods.
- 6:37Check the labels and make choices that align with the current U.S.
- 6:41Dietary Guidelines, she suggested.
- 6:45“We have really good evidence that added sugar is not great for us.
- 6:49We have evidence that high-sodium foods are not great for us,” she said.
- 6:53'We have great evidence that fruits and vegetables which are minimally processed are
- 6:57really good for us.'
- 7:00It is important not to vilify certain foods, she added.
- 7:04Many consumers do not have the time or money to cook most meals from scratch.
- 7:09'I think foods should be joyous and delicious and should not involve moral judgment,' Musicus
- 7:15said.
- 7:17Incident cardiovascular disease in one spouse was followed by the other developing dementia
- 7:21more often than expected in a large Japanese cohort study.
- 7:26In the study's predominantly male cohort of seniors, the dementia diagnosis incidence rate
- 7:31ratio was 1.32 over a median 24 months of follow-up after a spouse's cardiovascular
- 7:38disease event compared with those whose spouse had no cardiovascular disease event, reported
- 7:44Kosuke Inoue, Doctor of Medicine, Doctor of Philosophy, of Kyoto University in Japan, and
- 7:49colleagues in JAMA Neurology.
- 7:53'This is one of the first and largest studies investigating potential interpersonal pathways
- 7:58associated with elevated dementia risk,' Inoue's group wrote.
- 8:03'Identifying how one spouse's health is associated with the other spouse's health can
- 8:09help direct timely, needed resources for people at risk of dementia.'
- 8:14Without a clear explanation for their finding, the authors pointed to the possibility that a
- 8:19traumatic occurrence such as incident cardiovascular disease or a death may affect
- 8:24the spouse's cognitive function or that a change in a spouse's lifestyle may have taken
- 8:29place after the index person's cardiovascular disease event.
- 8:34It is also possible that the index spouse had some baseline cognitive impairment that only
- 8:40became more apparent with the added stress and high-level needs of caring for the spouse with
- 8:46cardiovascular disease, according to epidemiologist Michelle Mielke, Doctor of
- 8:51Philosophy, of Wake Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, who
- 8:57was not involved with the study.
- 9:00In any case, Ambar Kulshreshtha, Doctor of Medicine, Doctor of Philosophy, a family
- 9:05physician at Emory Healthcare in Atlanta, agreed with directing attention and resources
- 9:10to families of cardiovascular disease patients based on the Japanese data.
- 9:15'This finding is particularly important for primary care clinicians who often provide
- 9:20continuity of care to multiple members of the same family and often spouses.
- 9:26Following these stressful life events, primary care clinicians can provide access to resources
- 9:32such as behavioral health referrals to help spouses and family members with better coping
- 9:38strategies and emphasize self-care,' he commented in an email.
- 9:43'Timely screening, controlling risk factors, and advance care planning should be addressed
- 9:48at every opportunity.'
- 9:50Notably, the people compared in the study were by and large husbands with or without spouses
- 9:57with cardiovascular disease -- with fewer than four percent of the index patients being women.
- 10:03'Because caregiving burdens and social isolation could vary by sex, further research
- 10:08with enough female samples is needed to establish the sex-specific association,' the
- 10:13investigators acknowledged.
- 10:16Peter Vitaliano, Master of Science, Doctor of Philosophy, a stress researcher at the
- 10:22University of Washington in Seattle, emphasized the male dominance of the study, noting that
- 10:28'relationships between cardiovascular disease factors and dementia may differ for men and
- 10:34women because of social and biochemical factors.'
- 10:38'It should be noted that, although the last several years have seen an increased interest
- 10:42in relationships of caregiver cognition to care-recipient diseases, research in this area
- 10:48has been going on since 2003,' said Vitaliano.
- 10:53'At that time, our group showed that spouse caregivers of persons with Alzheimer's disease
- 10:58had worse short-term memory than spouses who were not caregivers and not married to someone
- 11:03with Alzheimer's disease.
- 11:06We also showed that higher levels of depression and sleep problems in caregivers helped to
- 11:11explain this difference.'
- 11:13He told MedPage Today that later longitudinal analysis suggested a role played by higher
- 11:18glucose and insulin in caregivers than non-caregivers.
- 11:22'These are all risk factors for dementia,' as well as coronary heart disease, he stressed.
- 11:28Inoue's cohort study included individuals 65 and older in the Japan Health Insurance
- 11:33Association insurance program who were dementia-free when their spouse experienced a
- 11:37cardiovascular disease event from 2016 to 2022.
- 11:43Investigators performed a target trial emulation analysis to try to adjust for
- 11:46confounding; each index person was matched to a comparator whose spouse had no cardiovascular
- 11:52disease event during the study window.
- 11:56After matching, there were 93,396 index individuals included in the analysis with a
- 12:03mean age of 68.8 years, 96.2 percent of whom were men.
- 12:09There was no information provided about the spouses' activities or rates of depression,
- 12:14anger, and anxiety relative to the spouses of people who did not have cardiovascular disease.
- 12:21Inoue's group acknowledged that study limitations included short follow-up, potential
- 12:26for uncontrolled confounding, and lack of important socioeconomic variables in the
- 12:31database.
- 12:33Additionally, Vitaliano cautioned that the study likely did not fully control for
- 12:38education, and it was unclear if any of the women were taking any hormone replacement
- 12:42therapy linked to cardiovascular disease and dementia.
- 12:47Now, let's shift our focus to a recent development that could have significant
- 12:52implications for the future of psychedelic research.
- 12:56Earlier this month, the Food and Drug Administration declined to approve
- 13:01midomafetamine, also known as MDMA, for the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder.
- 13:08This decision has experts concerned that it could set back the field of psychedelic
- 13:12research.
- 13:14Jerrold Rosenbaum, Doctor of Medicine, the director of the Center for Neuroscience of
- 13:19Psychedelics at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, expressed his disappointment,
- 13:25saying, 'I was disappointed that a treatment that looked like it could be helpful to people
- 13:30would not be available.' This sentiment is shared by many in the field who see the
- 13:35decision as a significant setback.
- 13:38The Food and Drug Administration's decision followed overwhelmingly negative votes from an
- 13:43advisory committee in June.
- 13:45The Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee voted nine to two that the available
- 13:49data failed to show MDMA was effective in treating patients with post-traumatic stress
- 13:54disorder and ten to one that its risks outweigh the benefits, even with a proposed risk
- 14:00evaluation and mitigation strategy.
- 14:03This decision appears to indicate that both the Food and Drug Administration and the medical
- 14:08community want more data before introducing a psychedelic drug to the market.
- 14:13While psychedelic research has experienced a revival in the past decade, some of the data
- 14:18have been challenged.
- 14:19For instance, the British Medical Journal placed an expression of concern on a
- 14:23meta-analysis of psilocybin trials, suggesting its methodology overestimated benefits for
- 14:29depression.
- 14:31Additionally, three papers about MDMA-assisted therapy published in the journal
- 14:37Psychopharmacology were retracted due to concerns about unethical conduct.
- 14:43Concerns about misconduct during the trials—specifically, an incident where an
- 14:48unlicensed therapist was accused of sexual misconduct with a patient from the study—were
- 14:55also aired at the Food and Drug Administration advisory meeting.
- 14:59The agency has recently intensified its investigation into these allegations, according
- 15:05to the Wall Street Journal.
- 15:07Despite these setbacks, leaders in the field of psychedelic research believe the Food and Drug
- 15:12Administration's rejection could be an opportunity to regroup.
- 15:18Companies are preparing to follow in Lykos Therapeutics' footsteps with other psychedelic
- 15:23drugs in the coming years.
- 15:26Paul Hutson, Doctor of Pharmacy, the director of the Transdisciplinary Center for Research in
- 15:32Psychoactive Substances at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, mentioned that the field is
- 15:37waiting to see what the complete response letter from the Food and Drug Administration
- 15:41will say.
- 15:43He expressed concern that leaders could take away the wrong lessons without this full
- 15:49explanation.
- 15:50One issue of particular concern is whether the Food and Drug Administration took issue with
- 15:56the psychotherapy involved in Lykos' trials.
- 16:00'I am concerned that there will be some protocol that makes it even more onerous to
- 16:04provide the skilled therapy along with the drug therapy,' Hutson said.
- 16:09He added that the entire field of psychedelic research would be focused on whether the Food
- 16:14and Drug Administration clarifies how psychotherapy should be approached for future
- 16:20psychedelic treatments.
- 16:22Frederick Barrett, Doctor of Philosophy, the director of the Center for Psychedelic and
- 16:27Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, noted that functional
- 16:32unblinding was a significant concern for the Food and Drug Administration advisory
- 16:37committee.
- 16:38However, he argued that it would not be a major issue for the field moving forward.
- 16:42Instead, better trial design will be needed to account for these issues.
- 16:47Barrett emphasized that several useful study designs could prove a psychedelic's efficacy
- 16:52and safety without relying on blinding.
- 16:56He pointed out that the Food and Drug Administration's regulatory code outlines
- 17:00several study design options, including dose comparison control, no-treatment control,
- 17:05active-treatment control, or historical control.
- 17:10'This is written into law as the definition of the canonical ways that the Food and Drug
- 17:14Administration thinks about and can consider controls in trials,' Barrett said.
- 17:20He explained that psychedelic researchers should be running studies in all of these
- 17:25different designs and then look at the sum total, because each of these designs has flaws
- 17:29and benefits.
- 17:31The process has already begun.
- 17:34Several studies have shown promising results for psilocybin for depression, specifically for
- 17:39patients with treatment-resistant bipolar type two depression and as a therapy with or without
- 17:46antidepressants.
- 17:47Notably, Compass Pathways is working on phase three research on psilocybin for patients with
- 17:54treatment-resistant depression.
- 17:56Earlier this month, Cybin announced plans to start its own phase three program on the use of
- 18:02psilocybin for the treatment of major depressive disorder.
- 18:07Rachel Yehuda, Doctor of Philosophy, the director of the Center for Psychedelic
- 18:11Psychotherapy and Trauma Research at Mount Sinai in New York City, told MedPage Today that
- 18:17the setback was likely the result of people outside the field deciding that more needed to
- 18:22be proven.
- 18:24'In the last few years, there has been so much hype that it has almost seemed like a foregone
- 18:29conclusion: This is happening, this is coming,' Yehuda said.
- 18:35'And the people that were not so sure about it were not necessarily speaking or were not
- 18:40necessarily being heard.'
- 18:42Yehuda highlighted the importance of moving forward and addressing these concerns,
- 18:46especially since there are few good treatments for many of these conditions right now.
- 18:51She noted that throughout the discussion around this approval process, 'nobody thought that the
- 18:57psychedelic drug was dangerous.'
- 19:00'The events of the last few months underscore the need for more really good research
- 19:04conducted in the way that standard research is conducted—generally by academics and in
- 19:10conservative, safe environments,' Yehuda concluded.
- 19:14That brings us to the end of today's episode.
- 19:17We have covered a lot, from the pervasive presence of ultraprocessed foods in our diets
- 19:22to the cognitive decline in husbands after a spouse's cardiovascular disease event, and
- 19:28finally, the potential impact of the Food and Drug Administration's decision to reject MDMA
- 19:34on psychedelic research.
- 19:36Thank you for joining me, Dr.
- 19:38Chi-Ming Chow, on Morning Medical with Dr.
- 19:40Chow.
- 19:41Stay tuned for more updates on the latest in medical and health news.
- 19:45Until next time, stay healthy and informed.