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Patriots Unfiltered 5/6: Joshua Dobbs In-Studio, Edelman to Pats HOF, Offseason Workouts · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 8: We just saw the whole team as we were walking in.
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  Speaker 7: They were coming off the field, so coming off either
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  Speaker 7: coming off and a little.
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  Speaker 8: Nice to see the boys out there getting some working,
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  Speaker 8: you know.
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  Speaker 4: They're very excited to see.
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  Speaker 1: How's your cousin?
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 3: I guess we have some draft profiles going up on.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff going up.
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  Speaker 5: You guys have been working on talking to the coach.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome you to check those out on pat dot com.
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  Speaker 5: Julian Edelman has been announced as the latest Patriots Hall
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  Speaker 5: of Famer and very happy for him. Well deserved, but
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  Speaker 5: I have to admit I voted for Adam Vinteri, and
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  Speaker 5: I think he should have gone in first, not that
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  Speaker 5: both of them aren't equally deserving, but just let's get
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  Speaker 5: some of the older guys in. Uh but good for
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  Speaker 5: good for Julian. That'll be fun. I don't know when
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  Speaker 5: they're going to be having the induction ceremony, of course
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  Speaker 5: is going to include Bill Parcells as well. Uh So
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  Speaker 5: they'll have to figure out when the gonna do that.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes they do it in the summer around training camp
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  Speaker 5: in or August. Sometimes they do it during the season.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we're a little bit in like the wake of
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  Speaker 7: Tom Brady Knight, which was unique and completely its own things.
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  Speaker 1: Now that has to stay its own right again.
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  Speaker 8: Are we're going back to in the atrium over there.
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  Speaker 1: Or that would make my vote is to go back
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  Speaker 1: on the plaza.
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  Speaker 3: I think just a great venue.
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  Speaker 5: Just bang it out. You know, you've got the people
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  Speaker 5: sitting on the stairs and people down it. Really it's
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  Speaker 5: a good look. You've got the built in stage right there.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's perfect, and you know it would be
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  Speaker 5: a great event. Obviously it's not gonna be Brady, but
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  Speaker 5: Brady has to stay Brady.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll never equal that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Bill's will be probably something special onto
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  Speaker 7: itself when it eventually happens. I don't know what it
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  Speaker 7: would be, but I mean I think that Elman's would
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  Speaker 7: be a good time.
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  Speaker 1: That'sact.
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  Speaker 8: He's gonna be sure.
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  Speaker 7: Kronk will be here, ready to ready to party, and
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  Speaker 7: absolutely Cronk will go in next year.
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  Speaker 8: So it's too bad you can't do.
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  Speaker 5: I think whatever you do, you have to be able
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  Speaker 5: to take advantage of Edelman's personality and if Gronk comes,
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  Speaker 5: take advantage of him and the two of them together,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you recreate their podcast right there in the stage.
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  Speaker 8: Dudes, have them do it on dudes on stage at
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  Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: Again, it is not a great name due that dude.
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  Speaker 3: Depends on your perspective, you know, I guess can.
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  Speaker 7: I ask you, guys, what was your impressions that Julian
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  Speaker 7: Edelman as a young seventh round draft pick when he
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  Speaker 7: arrived here and he and did he ping your radar
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  Speaker 7: at all? Was just another kid? You're like, oh, a
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  Speaker 7: seventh rounder, they're going to try to make it.
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  Speaker 3: Cuably one of the worst first impressions that we've really
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  Speaker 3: for a player that ended up being significant, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not talking about guys that you know,
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  Speaker 3: didn't look good. Three weeks later they were cut, never
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  Speaker 3: heard from again. This is a guy who obviously went
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  Speaker 3: on to have a long career eleven years, twelve year career. Tough,
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  Speaker 3: training camp, tough this time of year. The OTAs slipping
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  Speaker 3: a lot on the field, dropping punts everywhere, like, looked
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  Speaker 3: like a guy who was trying to figure out all
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  Speaker 3: these different things that he was being asked to do
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  Speaker 3: that were sort of new because he was a quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: So we want you to learn how to run routes
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  Speaker 3: and be a wide receiver. We're gonna have you be
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  Speaker 3: a return guy, jack of all trades. And I think
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  Speaker 3: he was trying to do too much too fast. You
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  Speaker 3: need to sort of slow down. But initially it was rough.
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  Speaker 1: It was rough, and.
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  Speaker 5: Once he got on the field in a position, then
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  Speaker 5: that was different. Well it was a little different. But injuries,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kept kind of you know, stunting his growth
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  Speaker 5: a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I think he broke his arm his first year, remember
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  Speaker 7: him spiking with his left I remember how he was
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  Speaker 7: having a good game in Baltimore one year and he
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  Speaker 7: got hurt and then finally you know, he got his rhythm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But once he got to training camp, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: once he got to the preseason, like it was immediate,
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable first impression, right, you know, and he takes the
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  Speaker 3: punt back for a touchdown. So from from like May
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  Speaker 3: to July, amazing how fast. You know, Andy and I
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  Speaker 3: were like, wow, is that the same guy that couldn't
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  Speaker 3: catch the ball like a month ago, And all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden he just started making plays. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I think made him a little bit different, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit special. There's a lot of players like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you get lathered up, you know, like I need some touches.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm a running back. I can't just get
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  Speaker 3: three or four carries. But once I once I get
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  Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty carries, I'm going to start. Julian didn't
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  Speaker 3: need that. He was one of those guys that he
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  Speaker 3: was called upon, you know, a couple of times that
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  Speaker 3: first two three four years when Welco was still here,
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  Speaker 3: they called on him occasionally, and he almost always made
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  Speaker 3: the play. When he was asked to make a play,
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  Speaker 3: he went in and made a play and then he
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  Speaker 3: would be out for a while. And like Fred said,
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  Speaker 3: he had to deal with all the injuries and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: so he was constantly starting and stopping, but it didn't
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  Speaker 3: stop him from contributing when giving the opportunity. That's what
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  Speaker 3: I thought.
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  Speaker 5: And there was one year I think it was the
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  Speaker 5: year at the year that we drafted high Tower in
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  Speaker 5: Chandler Jones, and I think that was there that Bill said, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: Edelman's going to start and Overwhelker. Remember that, and then
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  Speaker 5: he got don't and then Welker came had to come
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  Speaker 5: back in.
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  Speaker 3: Don't remember Edelman starting over Whelker. I remember Aaron Hernandez
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  Speaker 3: taking that role over Whelker and that not working out,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 5: I just remember, like you know, Edelman was in there.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, okay, they're gonna they're going to start
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  Speaker 5: using Edelman and I think he got hurt again.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, it's such a unique career first to be
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  Speaker 7: drafted as a quarterback that they then converted to a
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  Speaker 7: wide receiver. I remember that. I think it was second
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  Speaker 7: week of two thousand and nine. Welker was out and
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  Speaker 7: I remember el Edelman getting in there and playing and
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  Speaker 7: being surprised that this kid was going to be able
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  Speaker 7: to play in the signing what you guys call it
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  Speaker 7: no grease sport, and then he's a little under the
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  Speaker 7: radar there in ten eleven twelve of them played some defense,
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  Speaker 7: which you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, so he was a lot of defense in eleven
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  Speaker 3: like around.
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  Speaker 7: But I have so many more distinct memories of Julian
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  Speaker 7: Edelman over Wes Welker. I didn't want it to get
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  Speaker 7: into a comparison of the two. I love Wes Welker.
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  Speaker 7: I think he should be in the Hall of Fame comparison.
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  Speaker 7: But when I think about specific moments in a career,
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  Speaker 7: I can think of so many for Julian we Welker
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  Speaker 7: was like, hey, nine passes, caught nine passes, you know,
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  Speaker 7: Like I just seem like he always caught nine passes.
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  Speaker 7: But Edelman had just so many famous catches that stick
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  Speaker 7: out in my mind, so many famous and I don't
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  Speaker 7: even know why, like all of them, like the left
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  Speaker 7: handed spike against the Colts his rookie year when he
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  Speaker 7: came back and had to play with an injury, that
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  Speaker 7: come back in twenty thirteen against the Broncos, where he
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  Speaker 7: from a spiked one that was kind of his coming
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  Speaker 7: out party. But you know, we spent so much time
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  Speaker 7: trying to figure out, like why can no receivers get
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  Speaker 7: it in the system. And he was just such an
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  Speaker 7: interesting player who it took a little while for him
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  Speaker 7: to really get it. It took a little while for him
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  Speaker 7: to get an opportunity, and thirteen year or twelve, he
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  Speaker 7: went in the offseason to talk to the Giants.
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  Speaker 8: He could have left, and they were able to keep him.
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  Speaker 7: And then you know, it almost becomes like unconscionable to
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  Speaker 7: think of, like sixteen seventeen, like letting Julian Edelman walk,
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  Speaker 7: like you had your guy right here. So I just
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  Speaker 7: such an interesting journey and he was such an interesting.
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  Speaker 5: His playoff performances speak for themselves. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 5: got him into the Hall of Fame for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: Just just amazing productivity in those games, taking big hits.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, how many third down catches did he have
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  Speaker 7: in Super Bowls where it's you take back any one
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  Speaker 7: of those one plays and they have one or two,
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  Speaker 7: maybe even three less titles with his contributions in those games.
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  Speaker 4: So he has multiple plays in his career that are
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  Speaker 4: maybe some of the best plays in Patriots playoff history
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  Speaker 4: in that run, I mean, the Cam Chancellor hit over
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  Speaker 4: the middle against Seattle is just you know, that kind
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  Speaker 4: of encapitulates everything with him. But he scores the game.
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  Speaker 4: When he touchdown against Seattle, he's pointing to the to
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  Speaker 4: Brady points to McDaniels, and you know that catches iconic
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  Speaker 4: that obviously they want to again as Atlanta's iconic, like
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  Speaker 4: the touchdown pass against Baltimore in the playoffs and fourteen iconic,
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  Speaker 4: Like you don't have a lot of guys that are
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  Speaker 4: that aren't quarterbacks that are able to have that kind
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  Speaker 4: of resume of just you know, stand out plays like him.
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  Speaker 4: But to Paul's point about how he started, like that's
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  Speaker 4: what I feel like everybody fall fell in love with
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  Speaker 4: Julian Edelman was because he was the underdog and or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: We love the underdog here.
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  Speaker 3: He was always ready and that's what really impressed me
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  Speaker 3: about him. You guys know enough the way I talk
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  Speaker 3: about receivers that that's not really my kind of receiver, right, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 3: So for me to talk about guys like Welker and
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  Speaker 3: Edelman the way I do in Troy Brown, this there's
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  Speaker 3: there's a skill set there and just a reliability that
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  Speaker 3: those three guys all had in common, Like they just
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  Speaker 3: were so dependable and they came through every single time.
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  Speaker 3: And that's Evan's right about the plays that you remember
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs. You know, those kinds of moments for
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  Speaker 3: for Edelman, that's what made him stand out.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, ultimate team guy, you know, always alert into
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  Speaker 5: the game on the sideline, talking to his teammates. Just
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  Speaker 5: you know, that mental toughness that he had is what
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  Speaker 5: you know had him overcome everything else. You know, his
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  Speaker 5: size and every you know, he wasn't the fastest guy,
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  Speaker 5: he wasn't the biggest guy, but he just had that
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  Speaker 5: mental toughness, that competitive nature that you know, that's what
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  Speaker 5: you want all your players to have.
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  Speaker 4: He was incredibly strong for his size, and I remember
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  Speaker 4: players like comparing him to like a UFC fighter in
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  Speaker 4: terms of just like pound for pound strength and his
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  Speaker 4: conditioning and how he would just kind of just bump
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  Speaker 4: you off of routes and things like that, you know, subtly,
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  Speaker 4: and he just wouldn't notice or think that it was
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  Speaker 4: going to be as strong of a blow as it was.
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  Speaker 4: Or you know, him blocking in the run game too,
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  Speaker 4: which was a big part of that role in the offense.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like that was probably one of the
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  Speaker 4: more underrated traits of his was his play strength and
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  Speaker 4: his ability to just make a room for himself, you know,
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  Speaker 4: over the middle of the field, especially at the top
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  Speaker 4: of routes. You know, obviously his quickness stands out and
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  Speaker 4: things like that too, but just his play strength was
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  Speaker 4: was something that talking to people that faced him would
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  Speaker 4: always bring up, like, you know, it's underrated that he's
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  Speaker 4: really strong at the top of the rod.
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  Speaker 5: If you look at all the you know, the three
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  Speaker 5: big slot receivers for the Patriots, Edelman, Troy Brown, and Welker,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of them was stronger than you give them.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people knew, yeah they're really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Welker could break tackles like.
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  Speaker 3: All three of them had. I would say what Evan's
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  Speaker 3: talking about. Edelman may have had the most out of
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  Speaker 3: those three in terms of play strength, but I think
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  Speaker 3: all three of them were good blockers. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: no secret two of those guys played defense too, because
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  Speaker 3: Troy Brown did it before Edelman did it. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: were football players.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, So that that's that happened a couple of
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  Speaker 5: days ago, so congratuate relations, Julian Edelman or it happened yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: let's track of time around here very easily.
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  Speaker 3: I do like that, you know, back to the ceremony.
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  Speaker 3: I I do like that venue of the plaza. I
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  Speaker 3: think it looks great. I think the backdrop is great.
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  Speaker 3: You see people lined up up the stairs, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it should be kind of an intimate thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but I'm sure we'll get overruled on that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think it's really cool, like
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  Speaker 5: you could be just happen to be a patriot place
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  Speaker 5: on a day and having it. It's like, whoa, I
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  Speaker 5: can just go to this. They could just you know,
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  Speaker 5: pop in, which I think is really cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely that bad aspect of it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's usually free and you can just kind of show
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  Speaker 4: up and you know, have a pretty good seat a
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  Speaker 4: pretty good view of the stage, like you don't, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I always have that if you're in the stadium and
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  Speaker 4: you have a seat that's pretty far away from where
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  Speaker 4: the stage is set up and everything. So I agree
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  Speaker 4: with you, guys, I think that's the best spot.
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  Speaker 5: And then in addition to that, they would still like
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  Speaker 5: pick a halftime right where they bring them out.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, usually early on in the season. I remember
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  Speaker 4: obviously Rabel's halftime was pretty well documented what exactly he
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  Speaker 4: had to say during that, So I don't think the
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  Speaker 4: Titans were too No.
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  Speaker 3: Might make an argument that that's the reason why Mike
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  Speaker 3: Rabels now the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, I did get a lot of emails
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  Speaker 5: from people, and I see a lot of comments like
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  Speaker 5: some people are upset that Vinitary didn't go in first.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with that. I gain that is the common
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  Speaker 3: interaction I've had, that the people are upset. But I mean, again,
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  Speaker 3: we're dealing with all Lucke Hall of famers. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lose much sleep over the order
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  Speaker 3: that these guys get in. I agree with you, Fred.
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  Speaker 3: To me, this would have been Edelman by far right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Vinitari by far But you know, as long
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  Speaker 3: as they all get in, which I'm not so sure
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  Speaker 3: is going to happened, But as long as they all
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  Speaker 3: get in, I wouldn't have any You.
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  Speaker 5: Know, next year, Gronk's going to be eligible, so then
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  Speaker 5: you know, you imagine that Vinitaria will get nominated again,
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  Speaker 5: and it'll be going up against Gronk, and so he
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  Speaker 5: might have to wait a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a recency bias there obviously,
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  Speaker 4: And I think I would have voted for Vinitary personally,
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  Speaker 4: but I could have. Well I did, but I'm just saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: here's what that's a better way to put it.
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  Speaker 3: I would have.
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  Speaker 4: I did vote.
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  Speaker 5: They might already be doing this, but here's what I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to suggest going forward, is they make a special
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  Speaker 5: appeal to season ticket holders to vote, because a lot
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  Speaker 5: of our season ticket holders, the people who actually own
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  Speaker 5: the account, are older, and so they would have that
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: appreciation for the early two thousand people.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Make sure they all vote.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is in a newsletter or you know, a
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: personal letter, you know, asking them to vote, to make
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: sure you get that older vote out there.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it just it is what it is.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: I know. I we talked about our preferences for Vinetaria,
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: you know, on the show before when you guys did
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: the committee me.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, big Head had a survey just today and
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: like seventy percent said.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Yah, So I don't know if I said this. There
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: were a lot of people that reached out to me
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: and were kind of annoyed.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know, like what what happened.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I wish I could say I were supreme.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I know you you were on at Paul you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: I I thought that the fans would I think the
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: way I was thinking and say, okay, Vinitary first.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: A difference between me and you. I don't tell people
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: how they should think. I thought they would think.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Like me, right, I did.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: I thought that they would because I'm I'm I'm a fan,
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: you know, I look at it as a fan. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: let's get Vinetarian first. You know, all the things he
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: did started off the dynasty and Edelman will have his day,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Gronk will have his day. But you know, where everything
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: is equal, let's just do it in chronological order.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: I think it's hard hard on the Edelman has a
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: platform of the podcast, and I mean he's still on
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: the cutting edge, and you know, Venetarians a little bit
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: out of the out of the off the.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: Beaten path now being out of the league a little bit.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Well, it's just a combination too of like fans that
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: are my age and younger that that didn't really live
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: those years, as well as other people. But then also
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: fans that jumped on the bandwagon once the Patriots became
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the Patriots and started really being fans, you know, four
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: h five or somewhere around along that line. And then
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: at that point vinitari is is not really on the
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: team anymore. Right, So it's from both angles. But you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: for my generation of Patriots fans, there's no doubt about
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: it that, you know, I connect more with Edelman and
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Gronk and high Tower and mccordy and you know, those
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: players and that generation of team. But it doesn't mean
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I do you think it matter?
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Do you think as a fan of any team there's
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: a responsibility to know its history?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Arguing that Ted Williams was a great Red Sox or
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: you know, Jojo White was a great Celtic.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: You know, But can I ask you a question, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying I'm not trying to start debate.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Start it up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's like ridiculous that Edelman got in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: before Vinetato.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's ridiculous. I don't think it's ridiculous.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily need to take shot. I mean, this
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: is going to come as a shocker. T people who
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: have listened to me over the years. I don't like
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the fans chose.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not thinking shy.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: There were four guys that are just absolute no brainer candidates.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm just surprised.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I'm a little surprised that people aren't thinking about it
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: the way I'm thinking about it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: But it's not And I'm not going to get disrespectful
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: because I've done that in the past and I always
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: feel bad about it later. But it's not like some
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of the missteps that have been made in previous years. Yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: where a guy who got in was kind of a
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: borderline candidate to begin with and got in over a
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: guy who was in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and Richard Seymour.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: No, and I'm not saying that the pro says should
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: be changed either. And for those people who don't know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: there's a committee that meets once a year. They nominate
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: three people to be then presented to the fans for
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: a fan vote, and it's one hundred percent of fan vote.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think that process should be changed, but I
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: just I was just surprised that fans didn't say, yeah, Vinitary.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: First Yeah, when did you guys, when did these start
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame start putting people into the Hall
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: of Fame?
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: Like what years?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Well, see, that's the problem of six, six or seven? Well,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: when was the first year of the committee?
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the committee I think was back then. I think
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: because Patriot Place had been or was being built at
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: the time. That was seven anyway. But the problem the
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Sullivan started the Hall of Fame prior. So they created
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: like a Hall of Fame and retired some numbers, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: big mistake. Not that a lot of those people shouldn't
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: be in the pages Hall of Fame, but it's tough
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: for a franchise to start doing hall all the things
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: before the team has accomplished anything.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: That's what I was gonna say, you know, because even
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: at that point you were, I mean, you knew you
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: were in the middle of success. You would won three
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: Super Bowls. But I mean, not every team retires a
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: player every year into their own team hall of Fame, Like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: not every team has that kind of talent pool where
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: and when.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: You do that and then your team finally does have success,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: then you look back at those people and they really
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be with these people, you know, So you have
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: to be careful about that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: It's crazy to think about it that way, Douce, because
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: we're arguing about two very worthy candidates. Other teams might
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: not have a single candidate that's worthy, so they just
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: skip it all together. But you know the point about
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the history. I'm trying to catch up with Celtic City
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and watch as much of it as I can, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: at some point I do hope that there's a version
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: of that for the Patriots where it truly takes you
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: through not the gossip and all that stuff, but the
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: actual football of it all.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: You want a wedding video.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And but like even like going back to like
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: John Hannah and you know, like the teams in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: seventies and things like that, because honestly, right now, there
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: isn't anything that really tells the story of like, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I know that there were some really bad years, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: there are also years where they were a good team.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Those late seventies teams were roaded the right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I would just push back and say, I really do
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: believe every team has one guy worthy of being in
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame every year.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Every year.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah now, yeah, now, but the one exception I would
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: make is for newer franchises, Like if you've only been
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: around for fifteen to twenty years, you know the Texans
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: would go two. Okay, so maybe the Texans don't yet
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: have a guy, but teams that have been around for
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: fifty plus years have a guy. I mean, like, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: can give you guys that played in those teams that
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: aren't ever going to sniff the Hall of Fame that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: are Hall of Fame worthy, Team hall of Fame worthy. Yeah, Like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I think there's a difference. You've said this a lot, Fred,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: and I agree with you. There's a difference between the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: team Hall of Fame and greatness. Like the Pro Football
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame is the great of the great right,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: But like players like Fred Marion and Mosey Totupu and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you know, guys like that, they're worthy of a team
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame record, Matthew Slater, those are team Hall
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of Fame worthy players, even though that they're not right
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the greats of the greats who have ever done a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: football field, you know, Like, I think every team has that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I see, I'm I I agree that the
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: criteria for teams different than pro but I still think
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I'm still a small Hall guy even.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: For team Well, he's just I mean, do you think
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: you're going to get to a place ever with the Patriots?
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: And granted they have a backlog.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Of where seven by the way.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: But do you get to a point where you're kind
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: of saying yourself, I don't know.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like you know, I mean, unless you.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Bomer and you know at a.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Ship sales, there's two of those already in you.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take the Jets for example.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, so they won a Super Bowl back in sixty
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: nine or whatever it was, right, and they put web
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: U Bank, who was the coach, in their Hall of Fame,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: you know, their Ring of Honor or whatever it is.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think he should be. I really don't, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know, because like, okay, so he coached that team.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: But other than that, like right, well, I mean, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: the Jets just a very little success.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Well that's even to the point like you can't force
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: feed it, you force feeded.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Like you tell me that they don't have fifty great
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: players in their history.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I haven't gone down their rosters
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: over the time, but probably not.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: That's just ridiculous.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Ryan, No, he wouldn't know. I wouldn't. I don't know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have Ryan, but I have you banks In
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: you would of course these kinds of guys that were
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: great players for them, like absolutely, I don't know, like
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the storied quote unquote, I do that with quotes because
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: they've never really won anything, the storied history of the Jets.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: But every team has great players. I mean you just
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: like when I just said Hugh and you mean Kevin
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Kevin Mawai, Like how many times is he your Pro
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Bowl and All pros?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Is he not worthy of any consideration? Nick Mangold, No,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: like like I mean, there's no Kevin Falk or anything.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But I mean for a team hall of Fame, but
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I might I might even argue with that, you know you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Might, yeah, but while you're talking, you should you would
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: want half of the Patriots Hall of Fame.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: That's kind of my point, Paul. You know, so for
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: a team that only like won one Super Bowl and
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: like they've been around for how many years now sixty
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: or something like that and.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: They've only won one time, that's pretty bad.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: You know, And I don't think that they have sixty
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: people worthy of their team Hall of Fame.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I don't, that's silly. I don't if you have to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl to be worried Hall of Fame.
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: I just a couple of Camarti's kids.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, right, you've got like nine kids, Keshawn Johnson.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: If yet to name a players not better than two
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: guys that are in the Patriots Hall of Fame and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: two guys that we voted into the Patriots Hall of Fame,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I'm ashamed to say.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, should Bill Parcells?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Oh Jets? Yeah, probably guys.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Bill Parcells just gets into every Hall of.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Fame, Big Tuna, You're easy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: When was the last time they had success that wasn't
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: involving him?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I'm well, Rex Ryan, they did pretty well.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Championships.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say he had equal success to Parcels.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, you can make that argument, you know, so both
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: of them are out. Yeah yeah, I mean you can
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: make that argument. That's a good argument. Okay, thank you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not completely unbending.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Then he tested Birdie probably be in there too for them.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Not for you guys. No, no, no, I just think that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's put in Tom tupaunt it too.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I thread, dull thread, we should put Tom tu Bran
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots for twenty minutes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: You know a certain person would do it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: We could get get me to a bad place where
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I can get even on the ballot. You're taking into
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a bad place.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Now he was on my ballot.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I know he was, Fred, but for different reasons. Really
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you were no socks, were trying to do something.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Justice for West. Well, yeah, I know it's a bad pass, all.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Now he should have caught it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: It's a bit of both.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It was a bit of both.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: He should he should He definitely should have caught it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: It could have been it was behind him, face it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: If it hits him and a touchdown, it's a bad
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that's a bad pass.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: But he should have caught it. I'd like to think
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the four thousand other catches that he had would have
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: overshadowed the one that he is. But I'm wrong.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: That's wh Just look at Welker's numbers for crying out loud.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, in half the amount of seasons, he had
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: better production than Edelman in literally half of the amount
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: of seasons.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Well, whether it's true or not, every single time you
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: bring up this argument between the two of them. Everybody
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: says it Element makes that catch, and I don't know
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: if he does.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: But unless I were watching the Atlanta game, except for
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the little fingertip catch, yeah, because I might say, no, man,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: he might have dropped it like he didn't know in
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that game.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's what they won that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Game, the playoffs. They won that game.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Welco was pretty clutching the playoffs. I don't if you
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: look at his numbers, they're pretty comparable that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree, but that's always the that's always the argument.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Just an half the amount of games.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: Probably to the MVP.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: See the difference between ten for one oh three team
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Welker on those Patriots teams and other great players on
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: teams that didn't have the playoffs of six Welker's. Welker's
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: performances got the Patriots into playoffs, won them playoff games,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: and yes they didn't win a Super Bowl, but during
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Welker's era, they were still winning on a regular base.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: They were still annual contenders for the AFC Championship because.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Of they were in the AFC Championship because.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Of the contributions of Welker. I mean he was the
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: guy that was moving the sticks and.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: The other part of that that I always hate because
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: whenever you get into these kinds of things, it comes
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: across as well, he's a Welker guy. That means he
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: hates Edelman.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: No, nope, no, nope.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Edelman to me is a no brain. That's why I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: not overly offended that Edelman got in before Vinitary. No,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not a because that meant, to me, is a
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: no brainer Patriots Hall of Famer. There's no argument to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: be made against him. So I don't want to make
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: this sound like no. I think Welker is a more
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: worthy candidate, but it doesn't mean that I don't think
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: they're both. They shouldn't require any thought at all. Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: in my view, they both automatic Halifa.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I agree your guy at all.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I mean your guy unbelievable production.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: He claims that, and maybe he's right. I just don't
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: remember this.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: He says that after Vinitary left and every time he
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: came back to here, fans would boo him, who's my guy?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Felger said that he got he got boot a.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Lot, did he?
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't remember though, that he was he.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Was the meaning who was looking for money.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: That was another thing that I'm not saying right or
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: wrong again, but a lot of people that I heard
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: from about this held it against Vinitary that he didn't
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: play his whole career as with the Patriots versus Edelman,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: who was a Fox mister Foxborough forever, and people.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Did that he was looking for money.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: And I don't know against him.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'd already paid.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Him once, you know, a lot for a kicker he want.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: It was the second time around, and he wasn't gonna
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: settle for less.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And like, I don't blame him.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I don't blame him at all, but I think there's
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a I think that is why it doesn't necessarily blame him.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: But just if you're going up against Edelman, that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Was Welker going to Denver, right and all above dropping
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: a pass? Yeah, uh, I just I love both those guys,
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and I know that they're both overlooked like white slot receivers.
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: But like looking at Edelman, you can tell Edelman has
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: some elite physical talent, like its just eyeball tests, Like
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: you look at him and like that guy is Like
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: with Welker, I never got that vibe. Like I look
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: at Welker, and I'm like, who's this kid from the
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: high school that they just brought up, which to me
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: makes it just all the more.
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: Remarkable how good Wes Welker was because on paper and
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: just like the eyeball test, he doesn't look good, Amini.
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: You know, he looks like, who's this tiny kid? He's
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: gonna get hurt out there, you.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Know, point you look at you look at Edelman, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you know, especially as he progressed in his career Boneless Chicken,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you know, he started to look a lot bigger, yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: you know, thicker, and Welker never had that appearance. Welker
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: was just a small kid that looked like you could
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: have played for.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Your Remember is a ninety nine yard touchdown in Miami,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: like carrying the ball like one of those too big,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: too big, and his helmet was always looked like the
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Great Kazillion, you know, for the Flintstone.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, I remember him in seven getting a look
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: at him right before a punt return and they do
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: like a close up of his just like guys, you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: like just so intense waiting for that pint. That's what
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: I think is I get why everyone loves Edelman. He
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: came of age now and you know, ages, social media
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: and all that. But I think it overshadows Wes Welker
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: and how special he was and how funny was to
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: watch when he was a patriot.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: That that's what's this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: But hopefully this all just gets sort of sorted out
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: and they figure out maybe how to streamline it a
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: little bit, because they're all these guys are all worthy
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: of a day.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think you should start like, oh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: you know, except for Tom Brady, you know, circumventing the process.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Well, you have to circumvent the process for Bill at
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: some point.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think those are the two exceptions. That's it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. But I it's a tough process because
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: it should be special, right that like the one a
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: year makes it special, that it's it's one guy a
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: year that gets in. But you know, Dud for Vinetary,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: it's not going to be this year, it's probably not
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: going to be next year, and then in twenty twenty seven.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: You never know, you know what might come of twenty
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: twenty seven later.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: H mccaudy. I mean, if I don't know what they're
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: going to do for Bill, but if it's Gronk and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: mccaordy and Belichick.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: See mccordy and Slater, Yes, they're probably going to be
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: patriots of all the things. But in those two cases,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I would definitely make the case that Vinitary deserves to
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: be in.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm just going to tell you that that's not
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: going to happen. If they're on the same ballt well, that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Would then then it's not a matter of like preference,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: like Vinitary deserves to be in before you know those
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: two I mean, come.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: On, come on, I'm just going to tell you, don't
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: be don't be surprised if it doesn't happen.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I'd be pretty surprised if Slater gets in over him,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: because they're both special teamers, right they Slater, maybe.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: It's your recentcy, But Terry could go Berenitarry could go
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in over Slater. He ain't going in over mccaorty.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably not, probably not, But like I get you know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: The other argument was not that, like we all know
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: this is outrageous, but at the end of the day,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: in Vinitary was a kicker, right and Edelman was a
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: wide receiver and played you know, a lot more. Even
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: though we know how important Vinitary was, So if he
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: went up against mccordy. I wouldn't be surprised if a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: lot of those people felt the same way. You know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: mccordy was.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, Bill did call Vanitary the best player in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the team. Yeah, oh yeah when they won a super
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Bowl called long. I think he's wrong, and I think
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: it was a backhanded way of giving himself the credit,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: like I just won the Super Bowl with a team
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: that the kicker is the best player on. But that's
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: my psychotic nature that I automatically see things that not
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: everybody else sees from Bill.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: Bill Simmons coming around your psychotic be a way of
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: looking at Belichick and Brady and how it all ended.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: And I think some of.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: The recent events from coming out of North Carolina has
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: made Bill Simmons reevaluate a.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Little bit like hypocritical. I think I said that last week.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah uh, Bill and Carlsbad, California. Paul, please let loose
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: on the fans. Today's your day. Take the gloves off.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Edelman winning this vote over Adam is a dereliction of
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: duty for the fan base. If I here one more teenager,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: if I here one more teenager, tell me that Adam
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: just made a couple of kicks in the snow.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my mind.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Teenager who says that, I don't think teenager who's saying
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Don't read another email.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Here we go, Oh hey, guess Josh Dobbs, I'm Frank Kersh.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Come on there, yeah, have a seat. We were just
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a Patriots Hall of Fame debate.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Anything good. Well, Julian Edelman, uh just got in.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Everybody agrees that he's most deserving, but there's Adam Vina
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Terry was also up and here. The way they do it,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: it's a fan vote, So the committee nominates three people
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: in the fans vote on it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And Edelman one, which is great.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: We all love Julian Edelman, but personally, I think Vinitari
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: should have gone in first. So there's a little bit
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: of debate out there in Patriot's Nation about it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: I'm sure we'll get in eventually, right, absolutely, he will
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: take some legendary kicks.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely So.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Now, Josh, on the seventeen teams that you've played on,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: did you have these kinds of debates?
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: I mean, I'm trying to get to thirty two at
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: this point. Oh no, No, hopefully we'll find a nice ring
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: in one year, I know, three and one year twice
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: back to back years.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: I think that's a record.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Probably not cool. A lot of different experience it was.
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: It was definitely unique, definitely, I think what's cool about it, Like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: I know everyone's story is different, but unique. What was
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: unique about mine is all three of those experiences were
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: like a growth opportunity, right, Like it was like you're
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: going from now you're a little crazy of a growth opportunity.
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: But you know, for instance, the crazy year, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: it was you're starting in Cleveland and you're going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: be the two to Deshaun. And now it's like, hey
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: go start in Arizona. And then it's you know, Kyler's
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: coming back or Cousins just got injured, Hey go start
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: in the minutes. So there are all opportunities to grow
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: and do what I love and be on the field,
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: which is I did in the day what all of
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: us competitors love to do.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: How do you I just say, how do you get
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: ready to quarterback a team when you've been there like
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: a week I think said it happened like twice to you,
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: you've gone it. I mean, did you learn from the
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: first time, and then the second time you're like, oh,
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: I've been here, I've done this before, I know, I
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: know what I'm doing.
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: I'm so I got traded to Jacksonville in my third season,
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: middle of the year, well second second week when Nick
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: Foles went down, and the goal was like come in
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: on a Tuesday, then be ready to play on a Sunday.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: And that year was Gardner Minshew's rookie season of Minshew Mania.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: He went crazy.
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: So I didn't have to go in and play, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: through that experience I learned like, hey, like you got
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: four days to get ready, Like how how do you
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: learn to playbook, dissect it, understand it, meet your teammates,
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: find a place to live, and then go out and
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: be ready to play on a Sunday. And so that experience,
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: even though I didn't have to step out there and
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: actually play, allowed me to be able to do it
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: the next two times and actually do it at a
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: high level.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: I mean with all the teams you've been on, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: you said you learned from each one of those, do
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: you find like you get to a new place like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: the Patrons and say, hey, Josh, you know what if
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: you know we do it a certain way. But if
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: you've seen things in your journeys that you know, maybe
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: we could be doing better. Do coaches ever come to
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: you like for that type of you know, suggestions because
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: you have so much experience.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: I know each coach, right, they have their own personality
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: and flair and ways they like to build a culture.
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: Obviously Braves has done it at a high level. So
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: for me is learning and there's also a good chance
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: to get back with him right and see it from
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: the beginning. I got a chance to join him during
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: my time in Tennessee very quickly at the end of
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: the season, and they already obviously built their culture at
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: that point, and so now it's really cool to see
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: the foundation blocks of it. And it's a little bit
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: right like but in the day, you know, I think
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: in my I've been going to year nine, a lot
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: of these coaches have you know, double almost triple that
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: experience and time in the NFL. So yeah, so it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 12: still I'm still you know, learning from them then trying
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: my best to grow, learn, improve each day and conquer
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: a new offense to be able to go out and
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: execute to play at high level.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Yep, can I ask you your preferences is josh oh Joshua.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: We're speaking josh is cool, josh I've seen it written Joshua.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what you preferred.
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: No, I always say like I say, I say for
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: my sake, like josh because people always call me josh
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: but my mom loves Joshua, so she named me Joshua.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Was Frederick, you know, it's like nobody calls me.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you a little bit about that
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: connection with Rabel before you got here, and that was
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: one of the times that Mike is talking about where
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: you sort of stepped in and not only you had
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to play right away, but with the season on the
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: line that it was that week, like a couple of
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: years ago.
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: Now, it was awesome, honestly, like it was everything that
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: I wanted, the exact sen s which I wanted to
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: be put in. You know, at that stage, I was
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: finishing year six in the NFL and I hadn't had
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: any significant playing time. I was behind Beenthlisberger for five
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: years and we know the great quarterback that he was
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: for the Pittsburgh Steelers, so there wasn't a ton of opportunity.
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: And then I was in Cleveland and that was the
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: year they had just paid to Seawan and it was
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: first year there. And so the end of season came
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: around and I was in the I was putting in
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: an awkward situation, but I basically was like, hey, like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: I want to make myself available so that if a
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: team needs a guy to step in there and play
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: at the end of the season, like, I want to
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: show that I'm available. And so Titans gave me a call,
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: gave me that opportunity, and we stepped in there, man,
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: and we came one play away from going to the playoffs.
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: And I and obviously, like looking back on it, you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: things I could have done to actually win that game.
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: But I think that experience and the way I handle
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: it allowed for me to be here and have this
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: opportunity to hit the ground running.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: Here in New England.
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: So you never know what what one opportunity, how it
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: made me lead to the next. And I think it's
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: really cool that, you know, my first opportunity to step
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: on the field came because of coach Frable. You know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: I hadn't know him, knew him like a week, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: he felt like I gave him the best opportunity to
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: go out there and win a playoff game. So you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: I think that speaks to my time in Tennessee, Man,
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: and you know, not dwelling on the past, but I
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: think it's a great opportunity to have a lot of
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: familiar faces, people that know me and have seen what
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: I can do on on crash course opportunity, and I'll
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: see like, hey, like let's get in here and learn
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: understand an offense, the scheme of culture, and see how
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: you can contribute to the cost.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I think I think you could be a great addition
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: because there's a lot of young people on this team,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: especially on offense, So just having your maturity there and
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: your experience, I think that's going to be a real
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: benefit to all of them.
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: No, I'm and I'm excited about the youth. Like I
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: think there's a lot of young guys on the team,
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: but like their their energy is infectious, like their love
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: for football is infectious. Their talent is really good, Like
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: it pops off the page just when we're throwing routs
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: on here out here on the practice field. So I'm excited.
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: I think with this culture, the scheme, this coaching staff,
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: and the talent that we have, Man, I'm excited to
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: see what we're able to do with it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Just I know it's been a short time, you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I haven't had a ton of time together. But what
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: are your impressions of Drake May and what's it been
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: like working with him?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: It's been good.
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: Like my first time medium was on the golf course
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: and he can hit the crap out of golf ball.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Tell you that it's that right, yeah, straight?
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: But no, he's uh, I would say his energy and
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: is love for ball like really pops off the page
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: right when you meet him. Know, we were in here
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: early as QBS and our our day start at seven am,
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: and you know he's in here early, bright, smiled, happy,
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: ready to go, asking great questions. Man leading this team,
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: and it's been really good to be around him. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: know it's just been six short weeks, but we're growing quickly.
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: Like coach McDaniel is is holding us to a high standard,
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: putting a lot on our plate and allowing us the
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: freedom to push the team, push the offense so that
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: we can get as much information and as possible before
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: we get the camp. And it's been really good to
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: be around him, and I think we have a really
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: healthy quarterback room. I'm excited to see what we can do.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Are you settling in to the area. I am.
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: It's been good. I made it to I made it
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: to the Selfish game last week. It's all close out
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: the Orlando.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Magic there last night.
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: I wasn't there last We need some some more good juju.
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: Pushing for it, trying to make it to a Red
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: Sox game at some point. That's life, that's the bucket list.
• 42:13
  Speaker 12: So we're hopping around getting some good food and everything,
• 42:16
  Speaker 12: mainly in Foxboro during the week but on the weekend,
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: trying to get at least taste the town a little bit.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it worked at the NASA a little bit when
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: you were down with Jacksonville. You get into some of
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: the science museums here up here in the North.
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: Will at some point at some point, definitely. I know
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: there's a plethora of him, so we'll get a chance
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: to explore a little bit.
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, in due time.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So you're into space and are you into science fiction movies?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Science?
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was just Star Wars day. That's my favorite trilogy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Have you been watching and or I've not.
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: I've not watched, and I will say I need to
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: get on it. I started the first couple episodes a
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: little slow for me.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But I heard it gets rially. It's for adults. Don't know.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: You're looking for, like, you know, Chebacca, he's not in
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: it yet. You know, you walks and things like that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: You're not going to see that. It's really it's about
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: plot and how the whole revolution started.
• 43:07
  Speaker 12: I like that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It's cool.
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: I'm gonna get into it. I usually like to wait
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: for a show to get to like four or five
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: seasons so I can just binge watch them all. So yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: I'll probably wait one more season then I'll really dive
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: into it. Yeah, big favorite people here, Yeah, favorite Star
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: Wars movie, the third one for sure. And I think
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: a sleeper's Rogue one for sure.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: That's what and Or is. It's the prequel to exactly, Yeah, exactly.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: I think and Or ends right as Rogue one is starting.
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: So I will get off this now.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Paul, you guys can do.
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: Can I ask you one more football question?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: Is I think one thing that that we're.
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Also curious about is is Josh taking a year off
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: traveling around to some colleges.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: What's he got cooking in the lab?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: What's it been like for you with that new playbook
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: you've been around, You've had a lot of playbooks. How
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: is this one stack up with with the challenges of
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: you know, getting to know the system?
• 43:53
  Speaker 12: It's cool, like I think, you know anytime, like he's
• 43:57
  Speaker 12: talking about plays right and you're okay, okay, I see
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: what we're doing. See we're doing. Then he pulls up
• 44:01
  Speaker 12: clips of you know, Tom doing it in a Super Bowl.
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: You're like, all right, I mean I guess this this
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: offense works pretty well, right, and that that's like what's
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: cool for Drake and I we're both learning this scheme
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: is you know, it's been done at a high level,
• 44:13
  Speaker 12: at the highest level consistently and has shown this results.
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: And it's really easy for us to buy into it
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: and what he's teaching and obviously the new additions that
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: he's added during his time off because of the success
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: that you see just when you turn on the tape.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: And we're enjoying it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: It is different lots on the quarterback plate, but I
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: think with the guys that we have in the room,
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: it's really going to play into our skill set really
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: well allow us to play the best football that we can.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: All right, Well, Josh, We'll let you get back to
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: your whatever you're doing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I know you've got meetings and all that stuff. So
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: welcome to New England. It's the first time we've been
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: able to say that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Appreciate you coming by and don't be a stranger telling
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: her and you know, anytime you want to come in,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: just come on in.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We never leave here.
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: We're here here all the time. He can get a
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: window outside. Appreciate you all.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I think you appreciate it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Josh, Josh Dobbs stopping in.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: That was fun.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: You guys got a little Star Wars Wars back.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: I was getting good answers. You know. Rogue one, I
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: assumes talking about Return of the Jedi when he says three,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Evan.
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: I think it might have been. I think probably of
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: the Sith.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I would guess, oh yeah, I thought I don't like
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: those are I was with Evan. But I'll take it
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: back one, two and three.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Of the original.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: So for some people, three is the turning of the
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: turning into Darth Va Revenge of the I.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Think in terms of so technically Jedi would be six
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: correchnically technically, but not technically.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I would look at it as the third one ever.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Was any sane.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Person chronological or yeah, that's when I would be I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: would can after that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Any sane person would say that that's three. But you
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: know some people, probably my my age demographic.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: Well yeah, that's like Maddie says, I mean that's you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: the young kids love the episode three, and it's like
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: my generation.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: It's it's kind of getting the prequels are definitely I
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: feel like making a comeback a little bit like now
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: twenty years right now three like Phantom Menace everybody thinks
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: is good. Now I still am on the fenceive out.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: See this is my point.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well listen, Josh Dobbs is a Patriot,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: And if you were ever thinking of working at Gillette Stadium,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: now's your chance. You can go to the craft group
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  Speaker 5: dot com slash careers and apply today for positions at
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  Speaker 5: Gillette Stadium. There's seasonal positions and they're available in food
• 46:40
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• 46:49
  Speaker 5: so again, go to the Craft group dot com slash
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: careers and you can apply today.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: I think you said work in insecurity. It's work in security.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: But you know there's not an in security department. People
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: are insecurity.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: That's us. Yeah, that's us here.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: So nobody knows what you're talking about.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: Rady Juke on her lacker. You all know it, y'all know.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: So I saw, you know, scrolling through Facebook reels or whatever,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: somebody made like a video of his like top five
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: runs of all time. I mean, it's not He's not
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Michael Vick. It's not exactly this has got to be.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: It wasn't on the list that's got to be. And
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: all the comments were just like, no, where's their lack?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I was afraid to touch them. Yeah, so there's something
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: about this might touch him. Not that it was as
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: great Juke, No, but that was part of it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think he expected it. Correct.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: There's something about this game that's very specific and unique.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: We're talking about the Bears, the Bears, the six week
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: twelve O six.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: The Bears came in the Sunday night. No, I'm just
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: saying that there was there was an element to Jollette
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Stadium that was for the first time in that game.
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: Oh, the gross correct the new first Jets game, they
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: ripped it up.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I think I'm nine percent. I think you're right though,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: And I think there was a bye week after the
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Jets game where Richard Seymour couldn't rush the pass and
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: the beach, and then they in two weeks they put
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the field turf in. I believe that was the first game.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: That's crazy.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I just remember like Corey Dyllon just the muddy, like
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: you just have mud all over his jersey.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: It was great, but that feel was a mess it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: You know, like everyone now wants grass back, but people
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: were really complaining how bad.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: That feel was at the time.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with the amount of events they have here, I
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: don't know how they're going.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: To Baltimore one.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would do that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: So do they have to do anything for the World
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: Cup that's coming.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're going to have to put in grass.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: Just like that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Soccer players don't play on turf.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: Helped me with my lawn maybe so.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Josh Dobbs is here, just another seemingly nice guy they
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: brought in.
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: What a story, and it just shows you that everybody
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: has random collection of traveling to different teams.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I mean twice traded It's funny. I didn't realize that
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: that game that Rabel started him on a week's notice
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: was really the first extensive playing time he ever got.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize. Yeah, that makes it all the more
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: remarkable that Rabel made that decision. Yeah, yeah, you know, I.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Was a little hesitant to ask him, like as I
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: didn't want to frame it, like, how does it feel
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: to have some stability now? Because it's the NFL, nobody
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: has stability really, but.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: One year it's only been here.
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: I think, I think it's a two year But I mean,
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: you know, at this point, what does that that actually mean?
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: But at least it seems like right now he's here,
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: he's the clear cut backup. I mean, some of those
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: other situations, it seemed like there was some uncertainty that
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: resulted ultimately in somebody getting traded out of his rooms.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Right, all right? So yeah, hopefully comes by again, hope.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Nice guy.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Going back to our discussion Adam Vinteri and uh Julian Edelman,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Jason writes in I'm a big fan of Adam and Julian,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: but I think Julian deserved to get in first simply
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: because he never left the Patriots. I appreciate what Adam
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: did for the team, but going to our rival and
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: spending more time there than in New England sealed it
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: from me. Adam should definitely get in, But in my loyalty,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: it's with Julian and nice shirt dudes.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: Oh thank you.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: That's I hear that sentiment a lot.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I just hate it, I do. I hear that a lot.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I just hate that sentiment. Because one guy had an
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: opportunity to leave and get a free agent contract and
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: the other guy didn't, doesn't shouldn't mean that Well, that's
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: why I'm going to stick.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I all thinks the same way a lot
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Adam was great for the start of the Dynasty, but
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: wise he up at the same time as Jules because
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: he played a lot more for another team. Jewles was
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: instrumental in winning playoff games in Super Bowls. Vinitaria made
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: some clutch kicks that Brady got him in position for.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: It may think they're both worthy so lightly. I mean,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: the snowball kick is the greatest kick of all time,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: and it made a couple of clutch kicks. Is not
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: really doing that justice like.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: That kick that that kick being the result of Brady
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: putting him in position is one of the more like
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: ridiculous stretches that you'll ever hear, Like he made a
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: forty five yard field goal in like five inches of snow,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: right while it was still not given the quarterback credit
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: for putting him in position to make the kick. Please.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: It's and also, I just can't it's hard to fault
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: Adam than a Terry for wanting to like basically double
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: his career by going to kick inside.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: It's a really good point. Like I don't remember who
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: brought that up, but I maybe he brought it up
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: somewhere something and he mentioned it. Yeah, you know, it
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: really did probably prolong his career.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to leave, but when he got the opportunity,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: he started to think along.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right, eight five to five, Pats five
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: hundred is the hotline. Let's go to the phones. Patty
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: in Agawam. He'll start it off.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: What's up, Patty took everyone?
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: How are we doing today?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Okay? Yes, with you.
• 52:09
  Speaker 13: I just wanted to say Lake, this might piss off
• 52:12
  Speaker 13: some of the younger audience, but I really don't care.
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: I got no problem with Julian being in. But I
• 52:17
  Speaker 13: think the voters got it wrong. I think they got
• 52:19
  Speaker 13: it wrong with the Hall of Fame vote, and I
• 52:21
  Speaker 13: think they got it wrong with this one. And Paul,
• 52:24
  Speaker 13: you brought up how Julia's career started. Do you remember
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: how Adams started here too? Like the first four games.
• 52:32
  Speaker 13: I did a little research. He started out perfect against Miami,
• 52:36
  Speaker 13: he made both his kicks extra point field goal.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he missed three field goals in Buffalo in
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: week two and his job was on the line.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: He missed a bunch in Kansas City to the next week.
• 52:45
  Speaker 13: I guess Arizona, he missed an extra point two And
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: I remember I went to the game. I was at
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: the game when they played Deck and tell them the
• 52:53
  Speaker 13: Mark Mark Brunel Hail Marry game.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: He made five out of six in that game.
• 52:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah, And there was a lot of talk that l
• 53:00
  Speaker 13: you know, Parcels wasn't too happy with him.
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: Ye.
• 53:02
  Speaker 13: So to me, like it's almost a miracle that he
• 53:06
  Speaker 13: that he sucked.
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: With the team.
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: And then if you go with the butterfly effect, like
• 53:10
  Speaker 13: if he doesn't make that field goal against the Raiders,
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: they lose the game. And who knows that the dynasty
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: even happens, because you know, you just you don't know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: like maybe they go into the off season there's a
• 53:21
  Speaker 13: QB controversy and Belichick has the same sort of situation
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: that they that he had in Cleveland.
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: And I know that.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's not a stretch, but I will
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: say that, you know that he's right. Patty's right about
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: the Vinitary. The start of Vinitary's career, he made five
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: out of six against Jacksonville and the last one was
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: an overtime game winner and had he missed it. Now,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Vinitary beat out Matt Barr in that training camp. Matt
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Barr was a Parcels guy, right, so he was on
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: thin ice.
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Parcells was like, I just want the guy that I'm
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: real I can rely on. I know he might not
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: be able to make the fifty yarders like Adam could
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: at that time, but he he's going to be the
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: reliable guy. You know that had he missed another important
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: kick or two, that was it. So that's not a
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: stretch to say that no Venitary, no win in the
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Snow Bowl. Now, I kind of think that Bill and
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Tom would have figured out how to win, because I
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: think they were that good. But it's not a stretch
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to suggest had they lost that game and not won
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: that Super Bowl, maybe the two that ensued in three
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: and oh four might not have happened. It's true, it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: not impossible to say. I personally think it would have
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: because I think that Tom was just that good, and
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I think Bill would have stuck with Tom either way,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: win or lose that game. I think Bill would have
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: stuck with Tom because I think he was already pretty
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: convicted at that point. But it's not the most I
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: don't think. Do you guys think that's so ridiculous like that?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: But I just don't know what will happen.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: To kickstarted the whole thing. Yea, and no pun intended.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Nathan is in Connecticut? What's up, Nathan? Nathan? Nathan? Is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Nathan gone? Goodbye? Nathan?
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: Goodbye?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of emails though, a lot of emails.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Didou you read some of him now?
• 55:09
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• 55:10
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• 55:13
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  Speaker 11: I'm good. Can't complain what we got first transition?
• 57:12
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, excepting liking the olding kind of kind of things.
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  Speaker 11: So it's a bitter pressed by.
• 57:19
  Speaker 17: Yeah, No, it's been good. Verbs is amazing. He's an
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  Speaker 17: amazing man to be around. He's just been such a
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  Speaker 17: light to this building. He's been such an amazing coach.
• 57:28
  Speaker 17: He's even out there, you know, like running special teams
• 57:30
  Speaker 17: drills with us, you know, giving me insight on linebacker.
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: He's just been an amazing coach.
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  Speaker 3: What'll just be to you to have the team and
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  Speaker 3: Ashley to contract out from burning back.
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 57:42
  Speaker 17: At the time, me and my wife, you know, we're
• 57:43
  Speaker 17: trying to plan a future. We we have no idea.
• 57:46
  Speaker 17: What's about to happen. But when we got when I
• 57:48
  Speaker 17: got the call from Elliott, it was nothing but excitement,
• 57:52
  Speaker 17: nothing but joy, you know, a little uncertainty knowing where
• 57:55
  Speaker 17: we're gonna live and whatnot. We're getting all that figured
• 57:57
  Speaker 17: out right now. So it's been good. It's been a blessing.
• 58:00
  Speaker 17: But it's just been it's been amazing, you know, to
• 58:02
  Speaker 17: be desired by the organization, desired by the team, and
• 58:06
  Speaker 17: to see what they have in store, not only as
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  Speaker 17: a team but as a defense.
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: It's been. It's been really good. You've been hoping he would.
• 58:14
  Speaker 16: Say, here playing.
• 58:17
  Speaker 17: Opportunity, you know, above all else, I try to lead
• 58:23
  Speaker 17: wherever God takes me. I'm good wherever I think God
• 58:26
  Speaker 17: will use me. Anywhere, any organization I'm in, I'm gonna
• 58:30
  Speaker 17: put my best foot forward. And I think, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 17: God has something special for me here.
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 58:35
  Speaker 17: Whether I know that, whether whether it is or not,
• 58:38
  Speaker 17: it doesn't matter to me. So whether it's here in Vegas,
• 58:41
  Speaker 17: and you know, I'm very happy to be here, but
• 58:44
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• 58:45
  Speaker 11: What's it been like reuniting with no William? And how
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• 58:49
  Speaker 11: when I saw it. I was really excited.
• 58:51
  Speaker 17: I was excited for him, especially because I was able
• 58:53
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• 58:56
  Speaker 17: was nothing but excited for him because he's such a
• 58:58
  Speaker 17: tremendous talent. You know, you don't see many guys like him,
• 59:01
  Speaker 17: So I have nothing but the highest price for him.
• 59:03
  Speaker 17: You know, we already chopped it up in the locker room,
• 59:05
  Speaker 17: you know, the last few weeks, and it's good to
• 59:07
  Speaker 17: have here.
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: Coming up with a career year.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: How much did last season became confidence and how much
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: does it help, you know, coming into.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: This off seasons office success?
• 59:16
  Speaker 17: Yeah, no, it definitely set the tone for me mentally,
• 59:19
  Speaker 17: you know, going through my first few years in the league.
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: You know, it's been a rough transition.
• 59:24
  Speaker 17: So like when I got the when I got the
• 59:27
  Speaker 17: offer sheet from the Raiders, you know, I'm sitting down
• 59:30
  Speaker 17: with my wife. You know, it's a little personal, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 17: I'm sitting there and you know, I'm tearing up. I'm like,
• 59:34
  Speaker 17: is this really happening? You know, I've been cut six
• 59:37
  Speaker 17: seven times. You know, I've been bouncing around the league
• 59:39
  Speaker 17: and like is this Like did God really allow us
• 59:42
  Speaker 17: to happen to me?
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: You know? And I think when you do do well
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: with a little, you'll do well with a lot.
• 59:49
  Speaker 17: You know, I don't know what the future holds, but
• 59:51
  Speaker 17: as long as I keep what I'm doing, I think
• 59:53
  Speaker 17: God has me and wherever I'm going to be. So
• 59:56
  Speaker 17: it was it's nothing but a blessing for me and
• 59:58
  Speaker 17: my family with a new.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: Coach, almost an entirely new assistant coaching staff to the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: exceptions though, Jeremy.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Tom, what was it like to work with them last year?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about them for the Tarnae and.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: Their roles with special teams?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 17: No, they're both amazing. They're both knowledgeable, they're both exciting,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 17: they're both energizer bunnies. They're both good guys that have
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  Speaker 17: in the building. So I was very happy to hear
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 17: that Braves and the organization decided to keep them, and
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  Speaker 17: I think they're a good addition. Jerry Spreader actually said
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 17: that he was expecting to see more of you on
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 17: defense and not too much on special teams this season.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: You've been going to special team.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I'm curious do you see it that way?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 17: You're trying to have a bigger role on defense, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 17: what does it mean to hear you know your special teams.
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  Speaker 11: Coach say you wants to scheme one inside of the Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 11: For for me, I'll do anything the organization asked to me.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not.
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  Speaker 17: I'm not gonna be selfish in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 17: Whatever role they have for me, I'm gonna do it
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  Speaker 17: to the best of my ability. I still plan on
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 17: playing special teams. I want to play special teams. It's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 17: still something that I think I'm good at, and it's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 17: something I think I can bring to the team. And
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 17: even with an expanded defensive role, whatever that looks like,
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  Speaker 17: I'm good. I'm good playing both ways.
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  Speaker 9: Just to go back to something that you said, was
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  Speaker 9: it seven times?
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  Speaker 11: There? We got that? H Well, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 17: It wasn't just Philly. It started in Minnesota. I bounced around.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 17: I went to Philly, and then I went to San France,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 17: and then back to Philly and then cut again and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 17: then released.
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  Speaker 11: So six times, six times, I think, yeah times.
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  Speaker 1: And see the numbers on that opera.
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  Speaker 16: See how life change.
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  Speaker 10: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: We haven't done anything so like LifeWise the numbers.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah No.
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  Speaker 17: So for my wife and I, you know above all
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 17: that we want to honor the Lord, our God with
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 17: our finances that is doubled it. God says it's hard
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 17: for a rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 17: like it can we going through the eye of a needle.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 17: So with that being said, I I take that very seriously.
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  Speaker 17: So above all else, we're going to use it to
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  Speaker 17: honor God. We've used it to give it a little
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 17: bit more of a stable environment for my family. You know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 17: we're looking at getting a house. We're looking at just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 17: getting you know, this the my family side, So we
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 17: aren't journeyman. You know, we aren't just bouncing around everywhere.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 17: You know, I want to see my kids grow up
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  Speaker 17: in a house. You know, I want them to have
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 17: memories of a single house and not be bouncing around.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 17: So when we got that contract, you know, all these
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 17: thoughts are going through my mind.
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  Speaker 11: And it was special. Its special to me, especially my wife,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: special to my family.
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  Speaker 3: Did your wife tell you that God wanting deterred by
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: her something?
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  Speaker 10: Uh?
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  Speaker 11: You know, I think I think it's within a man's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 11: right to uh spoil his wife. So I was very
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 11: happy to do. So. Yeah, there are guys who with Yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 11: they would say, I'm going to show them, you know
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 11: that like your faith for the kind of ship that. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 17: No, I think guys will handle it two ways. Like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 17: you said, they will either handle it as being you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 17: pissed off all the time, and they're coming the building
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 17: pissed off.
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  Speaker 11: For me, I want to be a light. I want
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 11: to be a joyed of my teammates.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 17: So whether I was in the starting role or not,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 17: whether I was getting cut or not, whether I was
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 17: on practice squad or not, it didn't matter to me.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 17: I wanted to be a light to them. And even
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 17: if I was going through something hard, I know that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 17: they're going through stuff too. So yeah, I just want
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 17: to be a light to not only this organization, to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 17: you guys, to my teammates, to everybody. So with this opportunity,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 17: I'm not going to squander.
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  Speaker 3: And now great moments in history.
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  Speaker 5: So when you're in your mind, you don't get the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: title of weapon unless you're a real playmaker.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: A real difference.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: But that's what we're talking about, right, That's the guys
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: that they were looking at. I look I look at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: you know, like they're like they're interested in Brandon ayuk, No,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: he's a guy that can can impact the game.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I look at it like, Okay, what is what is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: this quarterback's weapons?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: All right, he's got Hunter Henry at tight end, he's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: got Poke, he's got you know, you know.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: That's different just rattling off all the skill bread and plays.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: But there's a different streen.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: What like, who are the dependable people that this quarterback?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Mario Douglas is a weapon?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: He should be.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: He's one of Jacoby Brissette's weapons. But is he a weapon?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: But I like it?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Like I'm going on, I know, I like him.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Don't you think he should be a weapon.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: He's among his weapons.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: But he's not that kind of player.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Oh I do I think he's dynamic.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think he is. I don't think he's ever
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: seen I don't think he's ever shown any dynamic ability
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: the Mario.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah you're talking about pop Now that's another great moment.
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  Speaker 1: So nice guy.
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  Speaker 5: I think Vrabel only brings the nice guys. Because he
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: wants to be the only a hole.
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  Speaker 3: Fair point could be.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, guys that let it roll off their back, Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Anthony writes in Paul said Julian Edelman didn't have a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: chance to get a contract in free agency, but that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: is incorrect. I had the pleasure of meeting Edelman at
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: a bar one night in New York City and a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: buddy I was with mentioned he's a Giants fan.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Giants.
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  Speaker 5: Edelman said that during free agency the Airy re signed
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: with us, that he was very close to signing with
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: the Giants, but he ultimately came.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Back because they didn't offer him any money. He left
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: that part out, like any money or they didn't offer
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: him anything significant. Vinitary was the highest played kicker. Yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: because one tea. I'm not going to get into this
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: because it's going to sound disrespectful, but Pooka, the Patriots
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: were certainly fine if Edelman left in freury agency. He
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't Edelman yet. There wasn't a lot of attention. He
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: didn't get a lot of attention on the free agent market.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: They weren't knocking down his door to sign him. That's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: my only point. So he became Edelman when he resigned
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: and then Walker left and he took over the job
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: full time, and to his credit, he thrived. But he
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: did not get any money offered to him from the Giants,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: not enough significant, not enough to leave. Whereas Vinitary became again,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: he signed a long term deal to be the highest
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: paid kicker in the game. Right now, I know that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: that's not necessarily big dollars, but for a kicker.
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  Speaker 11: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 5: After Fred expressed his support of Adam, Vinitarry, Paul's report
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: was I'm not like you. I don't try to tell
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: people what to think.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Then when an emailer writes in that he settlement deserves
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: to be in the Hall of Fame before Adam because
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: of Julian's loyal to the Patriots, he adamantly states that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: he hates that opinion.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: I hated Paul. I don't tell you what to do.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I thought you hated that opinion. Okay, you don't think
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: that's the difference. You're mad at everybody.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad. I'm just surprised. I said, I was surprised.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: You said you were mad at the beginning.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I said, I was surprised.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I think the quote was I'm upset that they didn't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: think like me.
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  Speaker 11: I think.
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  Speaker 5: I'm surprised that they you know, I'm not upset. Like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: you said, people are going to think what they want
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: to think. But I know I think that exactly I'm
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: being I just think that that's the way I went
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: at it. I'm surprised other people didn't agree with me.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a lot of different things that I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: sort of have strong opinions on. Obviously, I'm not sort
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: of a shrinking violet when it comes to expressing those
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: opinions on this show. And I get frustrated when people
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: see things differently. But I don't get mad that people
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: don't agree with me, because I think that's what debate's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: all about. I think you don't get mad if people
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: don't because people don't agree with me. Yeah, no, oh, okay,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: I stand up for what I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's an example of it. I would have
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: had Vinetariy in first. I don't think there's anything wrong
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: with the Edelman being in first.
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  Speaker 4: I do.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I sort of separate it.
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  Speaker 11: I do, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I think Edelman is such a no brainer Patriots Hall
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: of Famer that doesn't really bother me that he went
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  Speaker 3: in first.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't bother me that he's in. I just
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: it bothers me that Vinitary.
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  Speaker 11: Is not in.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say it that way? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I think so.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I worry, that's my point. Yeah, I worry that
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  Speaker 4: it's going to take years to get Vinetary in. It's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: not so much that I care that Edelman is in
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: over him this year, but like we laid out earlier,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: it's Gronk next year, and then you know, when Bill's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: time comes is going to probably be a Brady type situation.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: And so like it's just we've seen this with other guys. Yeah,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: you know, Logan Macon's is on the ballot every year
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: and it's been at all and.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: That's true, has been in the battle a long time.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: Vrabel was on the ballot alone five times. But I
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: would say to me, Vinetteri is even more of a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: slam dunk than those guys.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he could be on the ballot for four
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: or five years, and I feel like that's that's too bad.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: It's frustrating.
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  Speaker 7: Is there anyone else, though, who won a super Bowl
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: in those first three that you think should feel that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: isn't isn't yet?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: Because Mankins and will.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Ford I can't think of anyone, honestly.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: I will for Mankins kind of in the middle. They
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: connected the two somewhat. And now we're getting into mccordy.
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  Speaker 1: And can I can't think of anyone that. Why isn't
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: he in yet?
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  Speaker 11: No?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I can't think of any no brainers that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: should be in from that because the guys that were
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: part of that, you know, like a guy like Dylan. Yeah,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he did it long enough, right, you know.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Randy Moss, Corey Dillon's the one that comes to mind
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: for me. But I'm with Paul. It was only two years, right,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't so I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put him in.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Lawyer Malloy's not.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: In, right, is No?
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  Speaker 3: Lawyer's not in and he gets nominated pretty much.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Every year he gets discussed.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's why. That's how you get nominated.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you're right.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: But anyone else, I mean, there's no Tyrone Pools, there's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: no there's nobody else, Like who else would there be?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: I you know what I mean, what I'm saying, that's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: what I mean. There's nobody else.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Jets can't get Drel We're talking about
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Tyrone anything to do with Super bowls.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: Otis Smith, O Smith, Tyrone, Poole.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Lawyer Malloy is probably I mean, I have to give
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: it some thought and look at the rashes, but that's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe Larry is. Oh but like like, lawyer
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: moy is probably the last guy from that iteration that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: would warrant consideration. I'm not sure he rises to the level.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I think he's worthy of discussion, which you know with
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Fred and I, you know, we're part of the committee.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: And he gets nominated. I think the last two or
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: three years he's been nominated. He hasn't yet to make
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: the final ballot. But Rodney's in, right, Rodney is in.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: And that's the argument that is made on behalf of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Lawyer malloy is Malloy's numbers are better than Rodney's a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Patriot and Super Bowl.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Rodney was a better player.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's tough. That's tough.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, a better football player than Layd.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I think Rodney had Rodney had a better career than Lawyer,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: I would say I would agree with that. I think
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Patriot's career it's really really close.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just talking about purely if you were ranking
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: him as football players, I.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Would put Rodney ahead of Lawyer. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: As the body of the career, I would put Rodney ahead.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: Matt and Saskatchewan Biased writes in just wondering if the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: loyal Pew listeners can get insider info on when the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: release date for The Forged and Foxborough will be Part one.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Sneak peek looks amazing.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: So that you have any information.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: I do have information, but I'm not at privy. I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: can't tell you yet. It'll it'll be out soon, you know.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Let's put it this way. It'll be out before training camp,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: way before training camp.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: Maybe some special appearances by some people we know in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: it too.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. We didn't make the trailer, so
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: you might not make the cut.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: Didn't make the cut, but that trailer, if you haven't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: seen it already, go to Patriots X what's it on
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: Instagram to probably probably yeah, just go to the Patriots
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: account and check out it's you know, it's typical. It
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: will be your documentary trailer, but really really good work
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: by Nick McCain and Bradley Amos on our squad who
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: put that together. So we're really excited and what's going
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: to be released will be, you know, a full hour
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: documentary following with another documentary coming out after that. So
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: we've been hard at work. So some really really good
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: inside access that we've received. I think it'll get people
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: really pumped up for the season.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: But no credit to Bradley because he's an Necks fan.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Fair Yeah, so forged in Foxborough. Everybody liked that name.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: We were kicking around, you know what to call it?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I like Fortune and Foxborough.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Evan's right about like Bradley, he's a big he's a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: big Knicks fan, right, and no credit. Like the worst
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: part of it is like he's not like be convicted
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: like your team won last night, right, put your chest out,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: talk smack, have some confidence. He's like they're gonna get
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: killed like tomorrow night. Like I that mentality, I don't
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with you. Okay, I don't want to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: say that. I hate that because you get mad when
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I use those terms. Yeah, like you're a fan of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: the team.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Oh no, but it's the Knicks.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: But it's like we're gonna lose.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: His whole life.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: It's like you know, growing up in New England, US, right,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: and you always expected the Red Sox to like epically collapse.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: That's that's Bradley till I moved to California. Stand up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: for yourself, bro. They should have been talking smack to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Evan today. I think Celtic's gonna win the next four games.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: But they're gonna hang a banner in MSG one Game one,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Round two against the Celtics.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: See, that's that's the old Patriots fan mentality.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when some team that beat the Patriots in the
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: regular season they got their Super Bowl.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Throw the parade you won Game one.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 11: I like that.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: That's a good mentality. Fans should have that mentality mentality
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: f everybody.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what being a fan is about. Paul
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't like that. No, I'm making fans should be gentle people.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: I'm making fun of Bradley for not being confident, not
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: talking smack. You should be feeling.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: You got mad at the Patriots, the arrogant Patriots fan.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's different because every other team sucked well,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: which I never really understood. You're telling me that your
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: team is really good. The Celtics fans are the same thing. Now,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: every team in the league sucks, So what are you
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: telling me that you won, but it is you're the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: king of the dip poops.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: I know I agree with you. There By downplaying your opponent,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: you're not helping yourself.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: The Celtics are the best team in basketball, right, They're
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: the most talented team in basketball. The difference between most
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: fans in the Green teamers, which I think is a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: small section of Celtics fans, right, Evan's part of that.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: You're a green teamer. Every other team stinks. Every other
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: team stinks.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: Well, do you find it interesting that the top three
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: teams in the playoffs all lost their first game?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: It is interesting, Okay, See.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Obviously the three home teams have lost so far. Yeah,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: the fourth one is tonight.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not it's a six to seven series,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: a weird series. But yeah, it's that made me feel better.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I woke up this morning
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: and I didn't say that for the whole.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable choke.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: To me.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: What it says is that there is such a separation
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: between those teams and the and their opponent, and they
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: know it.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: That they came in just like we're just going to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: cruise through this.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean I woke up this morning
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: and I saw the the okase he choked it away too,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: and it kind of made me feel a little bit better. Like, Okay,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: it does have to throw up fourteen in the Yeah,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think the thunder have been the best
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: team in the league all year and so see them
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: choke an elite at home in the playoffs.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: That separates him from Celtics fans. Like the true died
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: in the world Green teamers would never say that another
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: team has been the best team in the life. I'd
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: never ever say that. Vintage Patriots fans would never say
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: that either, right when they when they played the Kansas
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: City sucked. They went into Kansas City and beat them
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: in the epic AFC Championship game, but they sucked according
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to Patriots fans. When I think it's one of the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: greatest wins in all of this runs history.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: Now, when I saw him, okay, see another one who
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: sucked Celtics play Okay, see earlier this year in Boston.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: That was the first time and since they played the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Warriors in twenty twenty two in the finals where I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: was like, this team might be better than the Celtics,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: Like I legitimately was worried. I was like, oh no,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: like someone might be better than competition.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is not good, Brian writes in he asked,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: did Josh McDaniels bang the table for Trevion Henderson give
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: any spence time at Ohio State last year? And ps
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: always puts a smile on my face, and Paul takes
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: it away.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Always puts a smile on my face too.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: I try.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: I don't know about that. I mean, I mean went
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: to Ohio State too.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: And he did talk to but he was there visiting.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked to the running backs coach and he
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: did mention that that was the first time you know
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: that he had met Josh McDaniels. Was that trip that
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Mike and I sort of we broke that Mike we
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: broke that everyone believes, and so it might have had
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: might have had something to do with it. We know
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: that they were looking for that type of back, a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: guy with versatility to catch passes and have some speed.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: They wanted some juice in the backfield, so that profile
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: of a back was on their radar. And I wouldn't
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: be surprised if if that sort of was the start
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: of their interest in Trevyon Henderson.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: Sure absolutely to announce the rookie numbers. So Travon Henderson
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: will be wearing thirty two.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: Excited about that, Yeah, thirty.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: Running back number again and even d Mac interact a
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: little interaction with so yeah, so, I said Ashton Grant.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: But it's Riley Larkin was at Ohio State last year
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: and he's now on the Patriots as an assistant coach,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: just an offensive assistant, not a position coach yet. But
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: he was just at Ohio State a year ago for
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: their championship run. But one thing that my attendant is up.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Little thing that we heard from Josh Dobbs, you heard
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: it from Drake may last week, is you know, McDaniel's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: putting everything back on the quarterback.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Shoing how Tom did it?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Am I allowed to be like small sea concerned about that,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Like I don't want to make a big deal about it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: It's may Go. He's a young.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Quarterback still, like it's still only his second year in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: the league. And if you're gonna expect him to get
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: up there and be the maestro at the you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: keyboard and be able to call out mics and move
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: protections and sniff out blitzes, and I just hope that
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: they don't put too much on his plate in that regard.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Like I know with Mac he kind of handheld it
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: his way through it. For most of Max's rookie years,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: it wasn't you know, completely, you know, in the headset
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: was still on. He would help him and stuff like that.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: But I just that was just one thing.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I heard that too.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot on the quarterback.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: Because last I think it was last Thursday, right that
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Drake spoke to the media and you know, you guys
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: came in. I think you and Alex had gone to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: that and sort of filled us in on some of that.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Listening to some of those answers about the offense and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: about the verbiage, and he kept mentioning the verbiage a lot,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: and we don't want, we want to try to get
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: away from the way we used to call it. Listening
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: to him talk about it gave me the small Sea
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: concern too, like it sounded like this is kind of hard.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, adds another layer to my two concerns, which are
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: cutting down the interceptions and delivering and clutch and those
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: are things where if there's a lot on your plate,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: you might make an absent minded error with an interception,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: or you might not be able to run everything as efficiency.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: When all the pressures on the clock's ticking, it's getting
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: down to the end of the game.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 8: It puts a little bit more on those two.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Now I am expecting the interceptions to go down because
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a real point of emphasis,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: and I think they're good coaches. So it's like when
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: a team comes in. You know, when Bill Parcells came
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: in and had my boy as his number one overall
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: draft pick and rookie quarterback, and they have been sacks
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: like nine thousand times in ninety two. He just went
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: in and had one goal, and that was to cut
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: the number of sacks, you know, dramatically, and they did.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: With a rookie number one overall pick. Their sacks. I mean,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: their sacks went from like sixty to twenty something like that.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: And because they put a real point of emphasis on it,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if Josh doesn't say, Okay, this is
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: what we need to avoid. Now that might be at
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: the expense of making some plays, which is going to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: bother say right as I was just gonna say, a.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: Conservative hold them back a little bit.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: They gotta think the interception total is good, you know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: the percentage is going to drop a little bit.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And to be fair, I think McDaniels during the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: year off was it might have been with Edelman, might
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: have been games with names that he was on, and
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: he was talking about how to develop a young quarterback
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: and he mentioned that you don't just throw him in
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: the deep end with all this type of stuff, right,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: like you kind of add a little bit as you go.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: But it just last year they made a point to
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: take it off the quarterback and put it on the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: center to make all of the calls and things like that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: And I just wonder if, especially when he's a young guy,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: if there's something to be said for taking that off
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: his plate and letting him just kind of play. And
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: then maybe as he grows and as he gets older
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: and then he says, I want the controls, you know,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: I need more control at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: How many teams do it quarterback for a center, would
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you say?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: I would say most of them are center based, really, yeah,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: a vast majority of them.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: And I would think it'd be the other way around.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look at you know, there's a clip
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: going around now that has been around for years. But
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: like Jeff Saturday used to make all the calls in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: Indianapolis for Peyton, you know, for years. Really, Yeah, so
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: what was.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: All the nonsense?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of it was I know, I know
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of it was smoke screen.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Peyton wasn't making calls.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: At the line.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: No, A lot of it ran through their center and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: Jeff Saturday and I'll did you hear them over Peyton?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I just him telling you are you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: sure about that?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: And and you know Peyton just.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: People trying to diminish Peyton.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Manning check out of like runs and stuff like, you know,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: into runs a lot, famously in the AFC Championship game
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: in six. I believe that was a check into a
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: run that they ended up walking into the end zone.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: I think he I think Manning actually gave credit to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison saying, you know, Marvin, of all people wanted
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: to run the ball, you know when they got down there.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 11: Getting lit up all game.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, I think there's probably I don't know,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: I think some of that is probably a little bit overblown,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: But I do think this is going now? What four
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: five years in a row for Drake May with a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: different offensive court, four years in a row going back
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: to college, two years in college and now the two
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: years in the pros. That's four different offensive coordinators. Yeah,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: you know, that's that's tough.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: That'sah. And there was regression at North Carolina from his
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: true sophomore year to his true junior.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: And everybody blew that off as to was poor coaching.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: And it may have been, and he also lost some
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: players to the NFL.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: Right, it may have been part of that, but it
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: also it's just it's tough.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: Ford and Savannah, Georgia. Last show, you kind of glossed
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: over two lines that made me laugh out loud. The
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: first one was the darkest, lash funniest thing I've ever heard,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: right up my alley. When Paul said that Tim Tim
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: Tebill failed, I almost spit up my water. I guess
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: at mentoring Hernandez. Probably later in the show, Deuce with
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: the Jets are in your fifth do you want of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: a rebuilt.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jets catching them straight today.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: That's what we do well we do and I'm here
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: for those like I hate the Jets, and the Jets
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: are always because the Jets, Like when I was growing up,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: the Jets were just like the Patriots. They just couldn't
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: get out of their own way. But for some reason
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: it was New York and everybody's like, got the Jets,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: this is a Jets year, and everybody was like the Patriots.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 10: Thak.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I was like, why are they considered so
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: much better than us? What did they ever do? What
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: did they ever take on? You know, it's a little
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: channeling of the inside, like maybe eight nine, ten year
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: old PAULI.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, see, finally some fandom comes anytime I you know.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: That's where the passion. But that's where the passion comes from,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: is like that irrational fandom.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you I never hated the Jets more. Well,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: I hated him you love to do sixty nine in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: your defense during the Border War, Like I hated him.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: But then my hatred was really really renewed in the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: Rex Ryan era because he knew how to need it,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: like he knew like if you were a fan and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: like me, like you hated Rex Ryan although you appreciated
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: what he was doing, like.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: I was.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: The Border War brought out all kinds of irrational hatred
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: for me, Like I was so mad, like a as
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: you guys know, I was Team Parcels, and I was like,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: now they got our guy, and now our guy is
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: making us look bad with half the amount of talent
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: that our team has. I was like, those are bad,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: those are bad times for me. The first game that
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: they actually won, remember when the Mike Jones blocked the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: field goals It was Mike Jones right, yes, yeah, he
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: took a war goal and they won an overtime the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: first tunable and I was so mad after that game.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: It was like they might as well have lost like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: eight in a row. That's how mad I was.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: I would play real that they played that poorly and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: left that team solely because the other team's coach pants
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: dark coach. I was so mad I was, I was.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: I was irrationally mad.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: I remember remember the game we lost against the Jets
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: at their place.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I was even mad at that way when Lawyer
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: molloy was on the team and over there they have
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: what we we want.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh I was so mad at him, Like
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: stop whining.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: I wasn't mad at him.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: And they broke the was somebody punched the cooler in
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: the visiting locker room. We got charged for ye in
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: the meadow lands.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: We got you never told me about story? Yeah, what
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: what was it like when they set the Curtis Martin.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: That was another poison pill, an one the poison pill.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: You were in the building for that right before your
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: pre Paul, Yeah, oh yeah, were furious again, Like yeah,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: I know, like you don't think this like I was.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: I was sitting on those cold benches. I was as
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: passionate as anybody. It's just a little different when you're
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: sort of like at your job. But like at the time,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: I was unbelievably mad when they when they signed Curtis
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Martin and when parcels last, and like again it was
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: like lawyer said, they have everything that we had and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: you could see it. It's right there. They became you.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: All right, it's one. So it's for some Jaws trivia.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Oh great, I can't wait for this.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: So let's go. You ready.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Before Steven Spielberg, John Sturgis was attached to direct what
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: was he the reported reason the producers gave him the boot?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Jeez, he you don't know. This is more of a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: deuced question because you're more inside Hollywood, you were probably
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: his He kept calling the shark a whale.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you would have known the difference based off.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 8: Whatever. Just get the whale in here.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: Jaws was the first Hollywood production to have this impressively
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: bad filming.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: Achievement, impersively bad filming achievement, failing to show a work.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: It was one hundred days behind shooting schedule.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: It was it was I knew it was delayed. I
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: didn't know. It was like a record.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: What major Hooper plot point from the book was changed
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: towards the end of production? And why, hint, it's not
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: his affair with Ellen body.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 8: I thought it was moot.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: I see, there's there's mob ties I believe with the mayor.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Oh right, right right, yeah, And that's why he refused
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: in the book. Yeah, that's why they refused to close
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: the beaches. But I always I thought that I thought
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: that Hooper had an affair with missus Chief.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: He probably did.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: But the answer is he was supposed to die in
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: the cage, but when filming real shark cage footed for
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: the scene, a great white accidentally attacked the cage without
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: anyone inside, forcing Spielberg to change Hooper's fate.
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  Speaker 8: It was great trivia.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't know any of these these that's that's next
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: level trivia.
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  Speaker 5: Jaws broke the record for most money earned on opening
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: weekend and all time theatrical run until Star Wars. What
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: were the record breaking amounts? Round to the nearest million,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: closest amount wins?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: If not spot on?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Bonus, if you can guess which movie Jaws the throne
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  Speaker 5: at the end of its run. So the opening weekend take,
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  Speaker 5: what do you think that.
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  Speaker 3: Was back then?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say eighty million, seven million.
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  Speaker 3: Seven million. I was going to say one hundred What
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  Speaker 3: do you think?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think the theatrical.
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  Speaker 8: Run was over the whole courses? Yeah about let's go.
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  Speaker 1: On, bonus? What movie did it dethrone?
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  Speaker 3: Godfa Godfather?
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  Speaker 1: Correct?
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  Speaker 3: That was my questions so good questions seven? Got even
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  Speaker 3: got it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: I'm almost done with my Orca Legos, still got a
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: couple of bags to go. I'm savoring it, just down
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  Speaker 7: to the shark Legos.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Do you have like a cigar that you can smoke
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: when you're done?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: A Narrowgancett beer, and then I'll crush.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: All the kids of Patriots dot Com thought that the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Orca was a whale. We were not aware that the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: Orca was the name of the boat it was, so
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: when Dude showed us a picture of it, we were.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: Like, this is what we deal with.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we rible.
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  Speaker 3: Damn it, guys, this is back to you requiring people
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  Speaker 3: learn about the history.
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  Speaker 1: You probably thought the ss Mino was a little fit
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: thing that one I knew It'lligan's Islands, Boby Dick.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my god, I think we got I think we
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: have a content team outing some like Friday Afternoon over
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 7: Patriot Placed.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 8: When jos gets re released. We gotta get some of
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: these kids in there a little party.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: If you want to fall asleep, you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be one over.
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  Speaker 8: This is Cinema Afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: But I miss is the boat. It's not tell anybody
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  Speaker 3: kill a whale that.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: Actually can kill sharks. They eat their livers.
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  Speaker 11: You know that.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: Before we learn about Quin's tattoo, what are all the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: other permanent injuries Quentin and Hooper compare, and if mentioned,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: how did they occur? Just the injury doesn't count. Bonus
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: If listen in order.
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  Speaker 3: We got the bump on the head, fresh little lump.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: On Quin's head Thresher Sat Days Boston.
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  Speaker 1: You got that.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, that's one when he met his celebrating the dimise
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  Speaker 3: of his third wife. Yeah, I believe right, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know he didn't say that. Oh he doesn't have. I
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  Speaker 3: thought he had all the knack o'.
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  Speaker 1: Nolan's St Patty Day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah then uh yeah, you had the one bit right
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  Speaker 3: to his wet suit.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah right, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also yeah, Mary Mary.
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  Speaker 3: Broke his heart on Marianna Mary something.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got that's broken hard for Mary Ellen Moffatt.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: So that's three.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. Then Chief shows scot he looks at he considers,
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  Speaker 3: he looks at it.
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  Speaker 8: Should I share this?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not one.
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  Speaker 8: The US is Indianapolis, that this is all before, all
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  Speaker 8: before the US.
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  Speaker 1: He Quin's fake to Yeah, but no reason given. You
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  Speaker 1: got the forearm.
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  Speaker 5: Scar Quint's forearm can't extend a certain point because a
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  Speaker 5: big Chinese fellow beat him in the semi finals wrestling contest.
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  Speaker 3: This song on the movie, Yeah it's all in Star
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  Speaker 3: when you pay attention to if you were at all
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  Speaker 3: interested in the movie, it's one of the great scenes
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  Speaker 3: in cinema history.
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  Speaker 5: Scar on Hooper's calf when a Bullshark brushed him when
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: collecting samples.
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  Speaker 3: Collecting sample samples and.
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  Speaker 5: The star on Quinn Shin from a Thrasher's Tale.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so I missed. Yeah, we watched that. We watched that.
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  Speaker 3: It's good though we're not We're not anywhere nearest.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on with you to you guys are after game?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 11: I don't know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Harty was asking me, I want to hang
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: out with this guy?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 11: Though? What keys?
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  Speaker 8: Was the is the theme in like what are the
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  Speaker 8: two piano keys of.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to get Mike and I to go to some
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: like musical job.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they're gonna well.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: Keith Lockhart and the pops are playing the soundtrack to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: Jaws while they play the movie.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: Isn't it just one didful thing?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: You know, it's a whole score event and it's a movie.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Disrepect Now he's disrepected John John Williams, who is arguably
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: the greatest movie composer in history, right sixty five here
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: like storied history, and what's the one that's like that's
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: just one song that sounds like you talking about Red Dawn.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: It's like this the shark song.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing going.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: To be we get Patriot players in here. I want
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: to find some guys at have scene jaws.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: They're all younger than me, so.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: Probably so when Josh Stobbs was here, we got into
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit of Star Wars talk.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Robin and Alaska wright.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: Say, George Lucas added episode numbers to the Star Wars
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: film in nineteen eighty one when he realized he'd likely
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: have the money to make the entire story he'd envision.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: I could be wrong, but I think that means the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: titles are older than Evan regardless. Evan's take about how
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: sane people say they are one, two, and three feels
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: as hilarious as how he hates watermelon because it's wet
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: and can't stand Pam Beasley because she wanted to paint.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons for hating Pam Beasley that aren't.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: About I'm gonna defend on the on the Pam Beasley
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: thing because a lot of people have a very similar opinion.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: Now the Star Wars movies, they're just the originals are
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: in like a trilogy of their own to me, and
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: then every there's kind of everything else and the periphery.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: But the Originals are on a pedestal by themselves, so
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: they're one two three. Okay, that's all.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: Let's get back to the phones eight five five pats
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  Speaker 5: five hundred. We'll start with Brent in West Virginia. Hey, Brent, Hey, Hey,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: all right, hey, if I.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Had a question, and a few episodes ago, he was
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: talking about Skarnaikia term me and I was just wondering
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: if there's any chance, I hate there's some private list
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: and Will.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Campbell I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I you know, I know he's available and thanks for
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: the call. I know he's made himself available during the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: off season to do some stuff. But you know, we'll
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: have to see about that.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all for a scar.
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  Speaker 7: I hate I hate always being the guy that's like
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: scars retired. Like, but how much does like, you know,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: a couple hours with him work, Like I think I
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: feel like offensive line coach.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to drill.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: Training the guys at Boston College. Uh, you know, Trapelo
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: and Drew Kendall. I don't know if Jack con who
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: the Patriots reportedly signed as an undrafted free agent, he
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: might have been working with him. So he's he's doing uh,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: you know, the like the all the private trainers we
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: talk about all the time. But Will Campbell's working with
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Duke Mannyweather. I wrote about that in my my feature,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: and Duke is really well respected in the offensive line
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: community as a trainer, coach, former player. So he's he's
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: got a guy, yeah as of right now. But it
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: couldn't it couldn't hurt obviously, I'm not saying that, but
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: he does have a guy.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: I feel like Scarneckia might be, you know, break glass
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: in case of emergency.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: Isn't going right, what's going on?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't need.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Him, Yeah, I would say the biggest advantage about scar
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: is that he obviously is totally familiar with Josh mcdaniels's offense,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: so he would understand the system and the numbers and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: you know, the seventies protections and like all that different
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: stuff that they they do. So maybe even more so
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: from like a whiteboard aspect, it would be helpful for
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: these guys as well as like he would teach them
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: the technique that they're probably teaching here, So there would
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: be a lot of familiarity in that respect.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Tim and Arlington your next What's up?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 10: Take's house? Killing everybody? A couple of quick things, and
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 10: my question about the undrafted receivers, I'll take off the air,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 10: but first, really happy with the draft. So glad we
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 10: didn't wind up with McMillan love Williams, so I'm really
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: excited about that. As far as the Hall of Fame
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 10: vote goes, Here's the thing I was. I was torn
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 10: between Edelman and Vin Terry. I think both deserve to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 10: get in. I think when you're when you have someone
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: like really deserving, you do have to kind of pit
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 10: nicks a little bit. And I think the thing that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 10: does get Edelman over is he was a career Patriot.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 10: I get that, you know, nobody wanted to sign him
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: quote unquote, but the fact is he stayed there. Whereas
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 10: with Adam din and Terry. I think it's similar to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 10: Tom Brady, And this is another way I think people
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: should look at it. One would agree Tom Brady is
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 10: a Patriot. He played for the Buccaneers, he won them
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 10: a Super Bowl. But I would say Tom Brady is
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 10: sixty forty Patriots versus Buck, and I think it's.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: Sixty for Tom Brady is like ninety five to five
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Patriot over Buck sixty forty. I guess I'm wrong. I
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: owe all the fans in apology, I guess I'm like,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: ha ha.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 10: Like wow, well he's won him a super Bowl, Paul,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 10: he won.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: How many do you went for the Patriots?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: I know, but you can't compare what he did at Tampa.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: It's not it's come on, sixty forty.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: No, look, I'm saying he's a Patriot.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're quippling over percent, Andary is a Patriot. I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: don't care that he played longer for the for the Whites,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: for the Colts. I almost said White Sox because I
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: was thinking of Calton Fish. Let's also played longer for
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: the White so Let's. But he's get serted a red so.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: I would say that if if Vinitary had finished his
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: career with the Patriots and they have never won another
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl, he'd still be a candidate for the Hall
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: of Fame. If he had played it his whole career
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: with the Colts and just won that one Super Bowl,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: he would not be a Hall of Fame candidate.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame Patriot.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: But everything else is the same. Yeah, he's so he's
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: the leading scorer of all time.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a pro football.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: He's a be a Hall of Fame.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: Kam, he's a pro football candidate because of what he
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: did with the Patriots.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: I think that puts it over the top, just in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: terms of the touch kicks, and.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's impossible to separate the two. Yeah, I agree,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: But if he did everything else, he'd be a candidate
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: for the Hall of Fame. If he like played whatever
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: of twenty four years something like that and is the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: all time leading scorer.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 8: And you'd have him in the colts team Hall of Fame.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: No, you guys wouldn't, because only Patriots have enough players
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. Evidently, what guy?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 10: He got the cult a super Bowl as well, he
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 10: played longer for them, he helped him win a Super Bowl.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think because he's a great player.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 10: He is a great player. But I think you're disrespecting
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 10: the fact that.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: He's a cult respecting it.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 10: I'm out if I'm a coult fan, I don't like
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 10: it's just like the outrage you also rightfully.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you this, Tim, Tim, hold
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: on this because this is a good This is a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: good conversation actually, because I think when you look at
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: things from different sides, unlike a lot of times on
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: this show. Will you guys yell at me for doing that? Okay,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: all right, let me let me count. Let me count
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: with this. Thanks, let me counter with this. Tim give
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: me this the signature kick of Adam Vani Terry as
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: a cult.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 10: Well, in the super Bowl, lady.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Didn't he hit one?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: I'm answering the question.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: He didn't have a big kick in the super Bowl.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: They won the super Bowl like twenty nine to seventeen.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, that's fair, but that but that's you
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: know that, And I think that's why And again that
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that, like argumentatively, I'm saying I think
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: that's why we feel his his career is more defined
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: for what he did with the Patriots, even though it
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: wasn't as long as what he.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: Did with the cults. Also, but like what's why does
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: it matter? No, Like for the purposes of the Patriots
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, Well, for people who.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Voted for Edelman first, Oh he's really a cult.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, But at my own people, I think
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: that's like we're young, like I got I'm okay with it.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: I just disagree with it, no, because I think one
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: guy really didn't have an opportunity to leave, and the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: other guy was so good he had people wanting him
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: like that to me, is not a great reason.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: But this is all.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: This is my overall point about the whole process. And
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: again I'm taking shots at my own my own age
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: bracket here, so whatever, right, But when you put things
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: on social media to have the vote driven by social media,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: you are organically catering to a younger age demographic.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: You're inviting inconsistencies and what my I don't know. It's
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: a problem with the process from the start.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: Actually, you vote on a dot com website and they've
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: been around for a long time.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Right, But I don't think the dot com website still
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: is catering to people that really truly remember Adam Vinitary's kicks,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: like I remember them.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Facebook because of that's that's my generation, because.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: I kind of lived it. But I also remember it
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: because I've seen them so many times, you know, replayed
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: over and over again. I don't remember them like you
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: guys remember them were like you know, like I don't
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: remember it like that. So if you're if you were
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: eight in two thousand and one, who are you going
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: to vote for it? You're gonna vote for any.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Do you remember Habilt chick steals the ball. No, okay,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: all right, no, at least you're consistent the sixties.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: I don't either.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: You don't care about the history of the team. No,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen that, Havelots. I'm part of Celtics Hill.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying me.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that I think, unfortunately that it's just the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: reality for a lot of younger people.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: So selfish.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: But I say.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: Self absorbed because people do happen when you were you know,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: saw that didn't happen.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna let Fred get the raft of the of
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: the youngs.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: But I was on his side.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: I said it all the time. When you know people
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: like I was, I wasn't even born. I'm like, I
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't born like Babe Ruth was hitting more home runs
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: than the rest of the league combined.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Either.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: But I know what happens, you know, But I.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Know what happened.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: Actually, I know about because I was interested.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: I know Willie Mays was the like the greatest player
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: who ever played, Like I know Ted Williams, you know,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: hit four hundred. All of this happened like years thirty
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: years before I was born. Yeah, but you know, but
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: you know about it. And also I know we won
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: the Revolutionary Ward too, it wasn't alive, right.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: You Sure, that's a great point. But like Halichick told,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: the ball is another great example. I have seen that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: highlight and I've heard Johnny mose call and halichiks tole
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: the ball a hundred times that I feel like I
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: saw it, even though it was way way before I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: was born. Unfortunately, not everybody in my age and below
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: you think that way?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Does that Patriots fan has seen the Vinitary Kicks? Now?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: Really, no, I bet you're not. Every one of them has.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: If they've seen any three games to Glory, they've seen them.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: If they've seen, you know, any of that stuff.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: They don't ask questions you don't want the answers. You
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: don't think every Patriots fan seeing three games to glory?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: No, Like I've seen all of those, but I was
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: at least of age where I lived it a little
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: bit like people that are ten years younger than me.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: No chance the Vinitary Kicks. When I say everybody we
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: can we you know, I don't mean like exactly one
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: hundred percent, Like there's not one Patriots fan on the
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: planet who didn't see it. But I think we're talking
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: ninety nine percent in change. I've seen the vinitary k.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: I would hope, I would absolutely think. I think that
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: the mentality that Tim and I'm again I disagree with
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that they you know, people liked him,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: shouldn't think like that. They think he left and they
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: did that they were wronged he left us. So I'm
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: gonna go with Edelman instead. That's their mentality. Welker dropped
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: the pass. He's a choker. That's the mentality. Mankins, for
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: as great as he was, he never won a super
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Bowl and then he left. That's the mentality. And that's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: what's gonna be hard for these guys to get in.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, until there's no if you have Gronk
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: and in an option for any of those guys, it's
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: going to be Gronk a thousand times out of a thousand.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: If you have mccordy, it's gonna be mccaudy. If you
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: have any viable option that is more recent, and the
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: more recent option is going to win.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: I think we have to make an effort to make
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: the vote more representative of the entire fan base and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: not just you.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: But I see why I voted for Vine Teria, you know,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: but you think about Balm like for me, how different
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 7: it is. And this is why the two sizes are
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: at odds. I think too, because Edelman is kind of
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: the Patriots are already good, who were already like entitled
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: to win the title, you know, like like Vinetari for us,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: the Patriots had always stunk like he was the groundbreaker.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: He was the one who took it from here we go.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: He's gonna miss this kick in the snow.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: This is because game.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: But it's so true. Mike is so right that it.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: Was all new.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: It's totally adds to me, to to the aura broke,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: not the curse, because just everybody, like even Fred even
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: we thought like something bad's gonna happen. We're just we're waiting,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: like it's gonna be a bad snap or something or
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: something silly's gonna happen because we could never be the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: ones that want it. Remember, do you remember, like in
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: the call, like everybody remembers Santos with you know, the Fourier.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: To me, it was like Gino in the background, like
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: mister Patriot like that, like the unbridled enthusiasm and and
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: sort of disbelief, like the best team. I think Gil
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: said something about the best team in football. I forget
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: exactly the words yep, and Gino is just like, hey,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: like another, how about that? Like we finally won, Like
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: that's what everybody was waiting for, was the rug to
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: get pulled out from under you, and Adam made sure
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: that it didn't, right, And how sure were you at
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: the end of Super Bowl thirty six that here come
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: the Rams there like this you know, you know me right,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: that was gonna do right?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 8: But that anament Arry.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: Changed the first play when when he almost got stripped,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: So in O one once.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: The last time Boston team had won a championship before
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: one was it was eighty.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Six Celtics, So it was a while. Yeah, And I
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: would just say, like.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: And the Celtics were kind of immune to the choking
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: it was for the other three teams, yeah, right, But
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: like it.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: Always felt for whatever reason that the Red Sox curse
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: was the thing, especially that time of of like the
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: you know Red Sox were probably the number one team
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: in Boston at that time too, but like the eighty
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: six year curse for the Red Sox always felt like
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: maybe a little bit of a bigger deal in the
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: fact that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: and so like all that was.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's accurate.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think that there was like as much pain,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: Because the always got close and couldn't close the deal.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: The Patriots, like they got to like the Super Bowl
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: a couple of times, but you know, the first one
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: obviously was an absolute blow. The second one it was
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: a close game, and you know they let the kick
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: return for a touchdown, and then that game is never
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: closed in the fourth quarter. So they it wasn't like
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: they were always getting there and falling short. The Red
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Sox like seventh game, seventh game, seventh game, collapse down
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: the stretch, losing the division or something just sucky, terrible happened.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Mike and Charlotte.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: If everyone is so convinced that Vinitary should be in
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: the Hall, would you also put Goskalski in. He's ahead
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: of Vinitarian every category and it's the franchise's all time
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: leading score.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: No, ask you the same question. I'm going to ask
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: you the same question. With Stephen Goskowski's signature moment as
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: a Patriot.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: Right, the Giants not taking the one case seventeen.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he has seven.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does have some has the answer, I would say, the.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: Coach not having faith in him to try a forty
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: seven yard field going.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: I mean the clothes, That's what I mean. I was
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: kind of trying to make the same Joe. The closest
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: I can get, I think was in that twenty sixteen
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: or seventeen game against the Giants.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: You're talking he had fifty.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: And listen, Goskalki's fine, but he shouldn't be in the
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: Patriots Hall of Fame, and his accomplishments don't come close
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: to what Vinitari did for this team.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: For this team, I don't think anybody argues that, like
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Goskoski was a fine kicker, he was.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: Really was really, really good.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: It was great to listen.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: I know, I am sure he does, but come on, sure,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna an email when I get back to my dead.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: Well the kick. What I always remember is the last
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl against the Rams, the second one, and you know,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: Brady was like just kicking right, and Bill. Bill is
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: like contemplating, I think, going for it right, to try
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: to like kneel out the clock right, you know, pick
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: up the first down and kneel it out and Brady
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: was like, we kick it. It's a two swear game.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: He sounded like, Paul, what are we doing?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're up.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Boston Cream's on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 14: Hey, guys, really excited to wear my Patriots jersey with
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 14: my backwards Patman and the heart by Splint Schworts today
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 14: in public?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 11: Nice?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 14: Maybe even my Edelman jersey. I just wanted to comment,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 14: really happy that Edelman got in. Clearly he's better than
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 14: Welker because he caught one ball. Everyone totally forgets that
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 14: he had multiple drops on third down in that Super Bowl.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 14: That doesn't matter because Patriot's one and the defense saved
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 14: his legacy. My question is I can go on a rams,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 14: I can go on as serious right. I don't know
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 14: how people think that Edelman is so much better of
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 14: a player over Welker.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: They're both great, but they're both great. I have no
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: problem like those two guys to me, As I said earlier,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even have to think about them being in
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, the Patriots Hall of Fame. I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: did lock.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 14: I think it's the Super Bowl career was Welker's career
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 14: was kind of at the infansity of social media, and
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 14: a lot of the people that are on social media
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 14: right now probably weren't alive or were too young to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 14: kind of even remember Welker. But everyone talks about one moment,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 14: so they have that kind of well I've heard about it.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 11: So I know it.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I also would say Edelman's personality helps
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: him a lot too. He's got a great personality.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Well, look at.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: Remember Kevin Falk when he wore the Brady jersey. A
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: lot of people thought that that put him over the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: top in his voting.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: M I mean one at the draft.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 8: I remember that, Yeah, so much disrespect.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: Kevin Falk is probably one of my ten best guys
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: that I ever covered. Like, I love Kevin Falk, but
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: come on, yeah, Richard Seymour.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 14: My question is am I being a little pessimistic by
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 14: thinking the Patriots going to have to earn my trust?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 14: But a lot of people are kind of thinking we
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 14: can compete for a playoff spot. And maybe it's me
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 14: just trauma bonding with other people, but.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: I rama bonding.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we've we've been through it the last
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: few years, so I don't blame it you know, yeah.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: I think he's you got to show it. I think
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: they'll be better. I think the schedule is weak. I
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: think they've improved the roster. But we got to see,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: you how does it all come together?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, until you know, Drake May strings together. I
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: mean he won one game as a rookie, and I
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: know it was a disaster year all around, not putting
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: that on him, but until they actually string together, you know,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: some wins and and really show us the concept, right,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: you know, and we.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: Have all those games that we're sort of looking at,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: like the schedule, and you know, we don't know for
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: sure that you know, whatever the group is Cleveland, I
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: think Indy, maybe Jacksonville, No Indy, who else? There's like
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: two or three Carolina, right, everybody has like you know,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: just check them off. Well, what if one or two
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: of those teams turns out to be one of you know,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: like Washington, like that you went in to be a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: team that you went into the season thinking is going
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: to stink and that's a that's a cupcake win for you,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden when you play them, they're
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: five and one Like that can happen too. So I
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: agree with Boston team.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: You got to see it all the all the analytics
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: models think the Patriots have one of the easiest schedules
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: in the league on paper, paper, and this is now
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: they baked into the draft and you know, everything's kind
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: of done right U And I think that I saw
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: the other day it was like they have like the
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: second or third easiest projected schedule in the NFL next year.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: But I've heard a lot of different places, you know,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: I think Kay Adams was kind of talking it up
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Mena Chimes, like Adams has a playoff team, Like let's
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, but like,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: let's let's even can we get into camp first and
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: like see what this all looks like before we start
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: talking about the playoffs. It's a little well, it took.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: A while from my confidence to completely disappear over like
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: the course of twenty and twenty one, you know, and
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 7: there were fits and starts. Sometimes they had good games
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: that made you think, all right, they're back, baby, But
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: it was weird getting that out of your head of
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: like they have Bill Belichick, Like what like how I
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 7: mean twenty twenty three was like what is going on?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: Like this team is completely the antithesis of everything he's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: tried to tell us. You didn't just get there in
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 7: a day and be like this suck. They're not gonna
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: win again. It's just like, I'm going to enjoy the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: process of what kind of team is this?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: How do they win?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 8: You know, instead of like just penciling in ten.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Wins, You're going to enjoy the process.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna try to be his new tax.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: He enjoys everything. He's going to enjoy the process.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: So in the middle of the season when they have
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: a three game winning streak, when Mike, ah, you enjoyed
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: the process.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: Wins's process over results.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 8: Now it's going to be the angry call when they
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: have like a disappointing like they're three and six.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: And how's the process now, dude, I hear you.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: I'll be feeding some people of those lines.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: Curtis and Saint Louis. So I voted for Vinitari just
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: to be clear, Fred. That being said, look at it
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: this way, Fred, this is what you get when you
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: leave it to the masses. They go with the sexy pick.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: People are not excited about a kicker. They want that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: sexy wide receiver. No one claimed Clamor is over a
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: kicker in free agency or the draft. No, they want
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: the running back or the wide receiver. They want weapons.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: I understand he's a Hall of Famer, no doubt, but
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: it's not the sexy pick my opinion. I didn't like
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: that Parcel's got it. I feel that Adam and Edelman
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: should have gone. Well, we can't do both of them.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: But anyway, I have a.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: Question on the course of your career here doing what
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: you guys do, talking about football a lot, did you
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: notice the influence of fantasy football and suddenly people became
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: more infatuated with receivers and receptions and.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: The influence of it on the fans I.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Do, And just in terms of name recognition, I think
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: it helped a lot of the you know, the receivers.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Like you said, I would say people think a lot
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: more of individual skill position guys in general than I do.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: And that's why I mean in terms of like winning
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: and losing games as opposed to compiling stats.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: It's because it changes so quick.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: I remember, every year there's guys who are right, this
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: is what the top five of the fantasy draft is
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: going to look like, and it changes so much so quickly,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: and there are still guys that and maybe this is
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: a bad example, but like just Torell Owens, like it
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: was always we're going to twenty thirteen, twenty four, they
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: need Terrell Owens.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: Torello has been out of the league for like three years.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: You guys, what do we But because Fantasy football, like
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: you just you don't realize that guy he washed out
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: like two years ago.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: But because of Fantasy it just seems like they hold
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: onto those names longer.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: All right, well, listen, there's Frank Edelman. Frank Adelman.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they juliefl Network released the video of his father
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: the Sucks and Slippers.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 8: He state Frank right where he loves the fanny pack fits.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 7: He's got a good story talking Frank about the fanny
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: pack because everyone in the family makes fun of Frank.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: I guess we're wearing a fanny.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: Pack and he just doesn't care because he loves andy
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: packs are in. Because they're back.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: I got everything I need right here, So I'm skipped
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: at the first time around. I'll be skipping it again.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: No, they're back and back especially for for for the females,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: but not not the bandalier style anymore either way.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 8: Right around the fanning bandeliers, a lot of.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: The guys are wearing that it's Europeans a Seinfeld.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well that's going to be it for
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: this edition of Patriots should change and what do you
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: got a meeting?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: Thanks everyone, thanks for listening, Thanks for watching Catch twenty
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: two tomorrow at noon.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Cort, how's Barth doing.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: He's doing well. We've been arguing for the past twelve
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  Speaker 4: hours about the Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: The Celtics. Okay, is that going to carry over to Catch?
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  Speaker 3: So angry You've been a little angry about the Celtics. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you seemingly have this thought that people think that they're
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  Speaker 3: now in trouble. No, I haven't sensed any of this.
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  Speaker 1: No, and I know I know. I think they have
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  Speaker 1: a sneaky feeling they are, but they won't admit it.
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  Speaker 3: No extra bravado to cover up for the insecurity.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: It just annoys me that every single time they lose
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  Speaker 4: a game like that, it becomes a referendum on the
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  Speaker 4: entire thing. Well, right, like like that.
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  Speaker 3: It has never happened in the history of the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: No one's ever missed forty five threes.
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  Speaker 4: In again, right but forty but it just becomes the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing about the play style and the coach and
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  Speaker 4: this and that and the other thing, and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, well, I guess like the whole thing sucks.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the world. Is that that happens in the
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  Speaker 3: same series enough to get in trouble and he will
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  Speaker 3: not change. That's the concern.
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  Speaker 4: When we're on the parade route, I'll let you know, see.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, a little to cover the security. I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what being a fans all about, all right.
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  Speaker 3: And if I disagree with them, we'd have another hour
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  Speaker 3: to argue, but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm usually into the numbers. Okay, we do this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean to the tangible numbers. There's there's tame here.
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  Speaker 4: Just give me.
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