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Peter Weber & Julie LaPlaca: What REALLY Happened Behind The Bachelor? · First and Feral- Utah Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: What happens when the woman producing the love story becomes
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  Speaker 1: part of the drama herself?
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  Speaker 2: Former Bachelor producer Julie LaPlaca joins us to talk Peter Weber,
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  Speaker 2: their rumored romance, behind-the-scenes secrets, and her new memoir, The
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  Speaker 2: Love Producer, where she finally tells us her side of
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going behind the scenes of The Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: with former producer Julie LaPlaca. After years producing some of
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  Speaker 1: the franchise's biggest seasons, Julie unexpectedly became part of the
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  Speaker 1: story herself when her relationship with Bachelor Peter Weber made headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Now she's telling her side in her memoir, The Love Producer. Julie,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to First and Feral. We're so excited to have you.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, ladies. Thanks for having me. Excited to be here.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: Good.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing so good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge Bachelor fan, so I've watched almost every season.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to jump into how you originally got
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  Speaker 1: hired by the Bachelor franchise.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a fun story. I was, you know, when
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  Speaker 5: I moved to LA, I started working at the talk
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  Speaker 5: show The Doctors. And actually one of the hosts of
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  Speaker 5: The Doctors is a former Bachelor. Maybe before you started
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  Speaker 5: watching Travis Stork. Did you ever see his season?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know him, no.
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  Speaker 5: It was probably when you girls were babies. That's how
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  Speaker 5: long ago it was. But he was one of the
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  Speaker 5: hosts of The Doctors. And actually, while I was working there,
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  Speaker 5: all the girls in the office would watch The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 5: That's how I started watching it again. And we'd play
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  Speaker 5: the games and I'll be a contestant. And I was like,
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  Speaker 5: why am I working on this show? I want to
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  Speaker 5: work on that show where I get paid to travel
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  Speaker 5: the world and talk about love and dating and men.
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  Speaker 5: You know, my favorite shows to produce at The Doctors
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  Speaker 5: were always like the Valentine's Day episode. I've always been
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  Speaker 5: a sucker for a good love story. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I want to work there. And so, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: manifested it really.
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  Speaker 3: I manifested the job.
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  Speaker 5: I knew the director because I had worked on some
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  Speaker 5: shows with him when I first moved to L.A. So
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  Speaker 5: I reached out to him. He said he passed on
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  Speaker 5: my resume. Never heard back. I had a friend of
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  Speaker 5: a friend who had worked there.
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  Speaker 3: We met for coffee. She said she passed on my resume.
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  Speaker 3: Never heard back.
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  Speaker 5: And then I went for my, like, regular annual dermatologist appointment.
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  Speaker 5: And we had a really good rapport because I had
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  Speaker 5: booked him on the doctor's talk show before. And I
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  Speaker 5: told him, like, yeah, I left. I'm looking for something new.
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  Speaker 5: And he's like, would you ever want to work on
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  Speaker 5: that show, The Bachelor? And I was like, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 5: where I want to work.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the.
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  Speaker 5: Executive producers had come in the week before and given
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  Speaker 5: him his cards. And so we did an email intro.
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  Speaker 5: And at the time, they had just staffed up for
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  Speaker 5: the season. And I just booked, like, another short-term gig.
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  Speaker 5: But he's like, reach out in three months when we wrap.
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  Speaker 3: And I did. And then I had an interview and
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  Speaker 3: a second interview. And then I got the job. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh. So cool. I love the interview. I love
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  Speaker 3: that you manifested it too. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's fun because you never know how
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  Speaker 5: it's going to come, right? So I did like the
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  Speaker 5: practical things and then, you know, and then it came
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  Speaker 5: through my dermatologist. I just think that's like the coolest story.
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  Speaker 3: So cool. Awesome. Yeah. We're like big believers in manifesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I love this for you because I do feel
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  Speaker 2: like as much as you like force something, it.
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  Speaker 3: Will not fall into place. And then literally at your cautious, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's so random.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: How long Julie, were you there? Did you work for them?
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  Speaker 5: So I worked at the show for seven years, which
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  Speaker 5: in bachelor years is really like 21 years. Cause you know,
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  Speaker 5: you're in this tight container filming seven days a week,
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  Speaker 5: 20 hour days. So it really ends one after another,
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  Speaker 5: after another, but, Yeah, I was there from Andy Dorkman's
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  Speaker 5: season through Matt James.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we love that. Okay, very cool. Yeah, what were
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  Speaker 3: your favorite seasons?
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  Speaker 1: I loved JoJo. JoJo's probably one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 3: JoJo is a good one. I did love Andy, though.
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  Speaker 3: I've always really loved him. Andy was a good one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of fall in love with all
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  Speaker 1: of them by the end of it, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do a good job at that, don't we? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know you started out as kind of
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily the lead producer.
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  Speaker 3: You were a date producer. Is that correct? Yeah. So
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  Speaker 3: I started on the date team.
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  Speaker 5: So we're the ones planning all the dates, coming up
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  Speaker 5: with creative concepts and pitching them and then figuring out
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  Speaker 5: all the ins and outs of what needs to go
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  Speaker 5: into the day. I'd also scout locations and negotiate trade-off
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  Speaker 5: deals with hotels and tourism boards. You know, like if
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  Speaker 5: we're doing an episode in Paris, I would go there
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  Speaker 5: like a month ahead of time and just see everything
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  Speaker 5: and anything there is to do in Paris and then
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  Speaker 5: piece together. You know, what are going to be the
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  Speaker 5: three best dates to put within that episode that creatively
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  Speaker 5: makes sense and visually makes sense to, you know, add
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  Speaker 5: all the different layers you want in the story.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds exciting. You know, it was cool.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I, you know, the number of horseback rides
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  Speaker 5: to waterfalls I've done and the number of helicopters I've
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  Speaker 5: been on. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've done a couple
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  Speaker 5: bungee jumps. So I'm very grateful and blessed for that experience.
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  Speaker 5: When we did the first season of Bachelor Paradise, it
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  Speaker 5: was really cool because that was like brand new for
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  Speaker 5: all of us.
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  Speaker 3: And that was my first year there.
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  Speaker 5: The first season we did in Tulum before like Tulum
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  Speaker 5: blew up and became Tulum. Tourism gave us money to
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  Speaker 5: go and like bring attention to Tulum. And I was
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  Speaker 5: just like getting shaman blessings every day and doing all
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  Speaker 5: the weird, like cool things.
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  Speaker 3: I was in heaven. I love that too. That's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: I've always wondered how much like, so obviously you're setting
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  Speaker 1: all of this up, but do you, at the time
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  Speaker 1: that you're setting all of this up, do you know
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  Speaker 1: who the lead is and does the lead have any
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  Speaker 1: say on the dates and like the places that they
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  Speaker 1: visit and the travel and.
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  Speaker 3: All of that? Do they have any say or no? Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, sometimes we, there's been times where we actually
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  Speaker 5: don't confirm the lead until like a week before we're filming,
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  Speaker 5: which is, you know, yeah, that's happened a lot while
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  Speaker 5: I was there actually, maybe not a week, but like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so there's a lot of long-term prep that
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  Speaker 5: goes into it. Um, but once we do know the lead,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of times we'll change dates last minute, even
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  Speaker 5: if we start planning other dates. And we, yeah, we
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  Speaker 5: find out what interests them and, You know, obviously like
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  Speaker 5: with Peter, he's a pilot. So you're going to do
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  Speaker 5: some sort of aviation day. I remember like Rachel Lindsay's
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  Speaker 5: from Texas and we did like, you know, bring the
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  Speaker 5: rodeo to Rodeo Drive and did horses. So you try
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  Speaker 5: to work with them, find out their hobbies and their
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  Speaker 5: interests and incorporate those into the day as much as possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so fun.
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  Speaker 1: I always think of like, you know, like the bungee
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  Speaker 1: jumping dates or like the skydiving dates. Do you purposely
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  Speaker 1: find like people that are terrified of that and put.
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  Speaker 3: Them on those dates?
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  Speaker 1: Because it seems like you guys choose the ones that
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh, I'm afraid of heights.
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  Speaker 5: Let's put her off a cliff and make her jump.
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  Speaker 5: But afterwards, aren't they so grateful because.
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  Speaker 3: They comforted a fear.
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  Speaker 5: Together and that created a beautiful bonding experience between the
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  Speaker 5: lead and someone who overcame their fear? So, yeah, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, not always. It's not always like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: torture this person. But usually if there's a good reason
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  Speaker 5: to like, I think and yeah, there's naturally a bond
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  Speaker 5: that forms when you go through that. So like when
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  Speaker 5: you're growing a relationship, there's something really powerful and beautiful
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  Speaker 5: about that, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah. I agree. That great bonding experience. Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they might be equally as terrified. Yeah. That's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything we'd be shocked by, like, as far
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  Speaker 1: as producing?
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  Speaker 3: Anything we'd be shocked by behind the scenes? I think, like.
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  Speaker 5: yeah, people, you watch it and it's all there and
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  Speaker 5: you don't necessarily think about like all the little details
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  Speaker 5: that went into it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And like the, you know, over a hundred people on
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  Speaker 5: the staff that are all behind the scenes, making it happen. Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if we have a date, we have a location,
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  Speaker 5: we have an art department that's, you know, adding all
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  Speaker 5: the lanterns and the pillows and all the things and
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  Speaker 5: making it look beautiful. And there's, a production team that's
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  Speaker 5: making sure we have a place to go to the
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  Speaker 5: bathroom when we're on the top of a, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a cliff and things like that. So, just so much
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  Speaker 5: that goes into it that people just don't see. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think of any fun stories.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Ben Higgins' Two-on-One and that island in the Bahamas.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: With Olivia. And who else was there? Olivia and who? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was real awkward with Olivia. Yes. But we had this, like, big.
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  Speaker 5: We had this big plan to, like, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: love the dramatic two-in-ones where, you know, then they open.
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  Speaker 5: And we had this big plan of the seaplane. They
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  Speaker 5: were supposed to take a seaplane there. And that morning,
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  Speaker 5: I actually was with Ben, and we were shooting B-roll
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  Speaker 5: with him in the seaplane around all the islands. And
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  Speaker 5: then right before the date started, the seaplane wouldn't start.
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  Speaker 3: Like, the seaplane just stopped blowing. And it was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: what do we do now? We plan this seaplane two-on-one
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  Speaker 3: and the seaplane takes off. We ended up using a bow.
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  Speaker 3: It was just as dramatic and okay.
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  Speaker 5: But in my head, I'm like, thank God Ben and
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  Speaker 5: I didn't get stuck on the island we were filming
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  Speaker 5: at like.
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  Speaker 3: An hour before this.
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  Speaker 5: Because, you know, there's like things where you just have
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  Speaker 5: to troubleshoot and think fast, which is, you know, one
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  Speaker 5: of the... The beautiful gifts about having a big team
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  Speaker 5: that's been in it for so long is that you
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  Speaker 5: figure it out. You always have to figure it out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you could, as I say, you could plan
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  Speaker 5: a wedding, but you can't predict the weather. So you
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  Speaker 5: just never know what's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to happen. So true.
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  Speaker 1: So you started with, is it Hannah? Was it Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: your first lead?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hannah was my first lead. And what was the.
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  Speaker 1: Transition from, like, how did you go from dates to?
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  Speaker 1: to then lead producer. Was that kind of a dream
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  Speaker 1: of yours? You manifested that.
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  Speaker 3: Too, or. No, it came as a complete shock. Actually. Um, I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was on the day team.
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  Speaker 5: I'd been on the day team almost five years and
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  Speaker 5: I was starting to feel a little stuck. You know,
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  Speaker 5: there were like my two supervisors above me that were
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  Speaker 5: never leaving. And I was just ready to grow. I
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  Speaker 5: feel like once I've like learned all I could learn
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  Speaker 5: in an area, I'm ready to grow and expand.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, But I wasn't sure how that was going
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  Speaker 3: to happen.
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  Speaker 5: And then actually I was scouting Rhode Island for her
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  Speaker 5: season and I got a call from my bosses and
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  Speaker 5: they said, we'd actually like you to be Hannah's producer
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  Speaker 5: this season.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just, I.
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  Speaker 5: Was actually completely shocked. But yeah, cause usually it comes
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  Speaker 5: from like the cast team. Like there's the cast producers
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  Speaker 5: that are always with like the, you know, 25 or
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  Speaker 5: 30 men or women. And usually then one of them
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  Speaker 5: becomes the lead producer. But they said, you are silly
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  Speaker 5: and weird and quirky. And we just want you to
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  Speaker 5: be you. And so I was honored, honestly. I was
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  Speaker 5: honored and up for the challenge and excited for a change.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is so exciting. So your personality
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  Speaker 3: won him over. I love it. I guess so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you've talked about Hannah's season being a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a challenge for you because you guys didn't
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  Speaker 1: initially first click, correct?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about what that relationship was like. And, um, how
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  Speaker 1: your relationship with her is now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I say we had a love-hate relationship. For me, I'm, like,
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  Speaker 5: a girl's girl. I just wanted to, like, I didn't
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  Speaker 5: have any, like, strategy or way I was going to
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  Speaker 5: go into it. I was just like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: be me as they directed me to be and, like,
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  Speaker 5: connect and hopefully help guide her to find a good
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  Speaker 5: guy out of all this.
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  Speaker 1: She is very, like, you know what she's thinking, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's why I think she made... such great TV is
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  Speaker 1: because she would kind of say without a filter, would
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  Speaker 1: you say.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a good way to describe it? Yeah, totally. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She's unfiltered.
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  Speaker 5: And as I reflected on that in my own, like
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  Speaker 5: healing journey, I barked on after I left the show,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, maybe she was a really big
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  Speaker 5: mirror for me.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Like I always was like, you know, um, half glass
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  Speaker 5: full kind of girl and, and always really positive and upbeat.
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  Speaker 5: And one time she's like, Julie, why are you always
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  Speaker 5: so happy? You don't always need to be so happy.
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  Speaker 3: You know? And I'm like, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, I think she embodied all emotions. And
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  Speaker 5: so I now reflect back with gratitude. And I see
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  Speaker 5: the lessons I learned from her on my own healing journey.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm grateful for it. But in the moment, it
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  Speaker 3: was very, very hard.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to, yeah, to navigate that when you just
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  Speaker 5: want everyone to like you, you know? But yeah, no, we,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we've since connected and I've seen she's gone.
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  Speaker 3: Through her own growth and her own journey. I read
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  Speaker 3: her memoir.
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  Speaker 5: It was super, it was really beautiful to read and
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  Speaker 5: see her own healing journey she's been on since leaving
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  Speaker 5: the show too.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm really happy for her and where she's
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  Speaker 3: at in her life now.
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  Speaker 1: I know as a viewer watching her season, I almost
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  Speaker 1: feel like, like you in a way, I grew up
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  Speaker 1: kind of the people pleaser and have had to learn
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  Speaker 1: to kind of you know say no when I want
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  Speaker 1: to say no and things like that and so I
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  Speaker 1: almost feel like watching her season people related to her
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  Speaker 1: because they were like yeah I'm like I need a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of that sass or whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: to call it right more feral yeah more feral that's
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  Speaker 1: great yes yeah yeah I love that yeah totally awesome
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  Speaker 1: and then who came after who came after Hannah Peter Peter.
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  Speaker 1: Peter is the lead.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. Because he was on Hannah's season. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Peter was the lead and you guys connected instantly.
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  Speaker 3: Was it different? It seems like it was quite different
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  Speaker 3: from Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think coming off of Hannah's season where it was
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  Speaker 5: a tough relationship, like with Peter, it instantly felt like
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  Speaker 5: I was working with my best friend. Like we got
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  Speaker 5: along really well, connected really well, had a lot in common.
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  Speaker 5: And so it just felt very natural and easy and
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  Speaker 5: organic with him.
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  Speaker 3: So do you.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, like, from Hannah's season, obviously you would remember him,
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  Speaker 2: but did you, like, start a connection then?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, I didn't know. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean, I mean, I would see him and
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  Speaker 5: like thought he was a nice, nice, sweet guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny. I was actually, I remember on her season,
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  Speaker 3: I was actually team Jason. Do you remember Jason? He
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  Speaker 3: went home night one.
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  Speaker 5: Cause it was like, there's only room for two pilots.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought Jason was such a cutie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know, like as a producer, can you kind
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  Speaker 1: of see what's where the lead is headed or like
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  Speaker 1: who the final three are? Like, would you say first night?
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  Speaker 1: Because I, not to, I want to hear your answer,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: but I also feel like first night I can pick
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: top three.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Jordan does try to pick top three. I do. Do you?
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: And how do you usually, how do you usually figure
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: it out?
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like watching the lead obviously interact with the people.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can just see it in their
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: mannerisms or obviously the connection. I can see who they're
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: gravitating toward fairly quickly.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we always have our thoughts, for sure. And I think, yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, a natural instant connection is a natural instant connection.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: And so it's always interesting to see how it unfolds. But, like,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: for example, on Hannah's season, I mean, she was really
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: locked in on Luke early on.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. Remember?
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: And then that shifted. Was that unexpected? From us?
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. Gosh, I can't remember to be honest.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, as he was starting to, as
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: things were starting to like get a little chaotic with
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: him in the house, I mean, we're like, we hope
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: she sees this side of him, but you know, you can't,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: you can't tell them he has to come from other
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: sources or from their own inner like growth and figuring
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: it out. And so, so it's always interesting to see
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: which way it goes. But yeah, of course, like, we have,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: we have our, our thoughts and our predictions and, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: so do they. And, and, um, it's you, but you
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: can never guess how it's going to unfold through the journey. Right.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you purposely pick people?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And if you can't answer this, it's okay, but it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you purposely, it's just me being a huge fan of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the bachelor wanting to know all these details. Um, Do
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you purposely pick people like they could possibly be the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: villain this season? Or do you feel like those kind
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: of unfold naturally by themselves?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You know, we're creating a TV show, right?
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: So you are naturally want to have an interesting cast
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: of characters.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: So of course, you want people who are... good eligible catches.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: And and will align well with whoever the lead is
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: and we think they'll get along well and yeah you
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: want people who are going to be interesting and compelling
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: stories on tv and so we all have our predictions
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: we all have our thoughts um and it's always you
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: know but we're also just human like so it's always
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: interesting to see what actually unfolds and sometimes you can
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: never predict you've you know what could have came you
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: wouldn't expect something to happen with with someone and then
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: like just being in that setting, you know, you see
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: a whole other side of them. So it's, it's always, yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: we have our thoughts and we have our opinions, but
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: it's always interesting to see like what really happens. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Sometimes we, you know, people like to blame the producers
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and be like, Oh, the edit and dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: But sometimes we have to actually tame down the editing
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: because of what, you know?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So you're like, that's too wild for, for family TV.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: They try to put.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: The blame on the producers or maybe you should do some,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: you know, turn the lens inward and, uh, and see
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: what's going.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: On in there. Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You guys do get blamed quite a bit for stuff like, well,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the producer made me do this or the person.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so easy. But I'm going to say that,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: isn't it? Yeah, we can't. We can't force you to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: do anything. We're not like, you know.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. At the end of the day, you could say no. Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sure. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be hard as a producer to like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you had said, when you see someone like kind of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: falling for like a loop, right. And you kind of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: see the chaos is going in that she's not seeing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be hard as a producer not to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: want to step in and be like, Oh, shake you. Like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: don't you see what's happening?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it is. It was hard.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: You know, ultimately I think working with the lead, like
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I'm grateful for that time, but it was hard on
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: a human level, I think. And eventually it got, to
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: me and it wasn't really aligned with, you know, who
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: I am and where I'm going anymore, which is why
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I really had to leave. But yeah, it's tough when you,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: especially if you care about the person, you want them
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: to like have a great experience. And, you know, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: look at like, even with Peter and Madison, like there
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: was a lot she held held back from him where
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: if she had shared that sooner he probably would have
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: gotten clarity a lot sooner that their lives just didn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: align um so it's it's a tricky thing and um
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: but we do the best we can.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: With peter in particular i am and maybe you can
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: clear this up for the listers there you guys you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: said you felt like he was your best friend and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you guys really connected on the season was that hard
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: i guess to watch him go on the dates with
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: like madison and um, you know, the other girls are,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: when did your connection start becoming more than just like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a friend's connection?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Uh, no, that it wasn't hard at all during the
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: season to me. He was like, uh, like, like my
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: best friend that I was guiding on his journey. Like I, I,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I was excited for him and hopeful for him to
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: find as happily ever after. It wasn't until like months
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: later when I really started to reflect and, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I almost compare it to like, Sharon Clueless when she
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: realized like, Oh, I love Josh.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that moment?
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: You know, like her brother vibe. And then it's like, wait,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: why wouldn't you want to be with your best friend?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: And so it was really like months later, as I
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: started to reflect, and I noticed these little moments, like
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: in the book, it's very reflective. And it's like, Ah, yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: why was I upset when he was upset with me?
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I should have I should have been grateful to not
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: have to hang out with him that night and have
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: a night alone.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: But like, it bothered me. Why did it bother me
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: as well? Because I care. Right.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: And so it was very more reflective, but no, when
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I was in it and to me, I mean, the
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: love's always been unconditional and I wanted him to have
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: his happy.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Ending a hundred percent.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: It really wasn't until tabloids speculated we were together that
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I'd started to get in my head. And so it
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: was an interesting time for me of like, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: am I falling for my own like tricks of the trade?
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Am I falling for this fairy tale that I've created
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: for so long for others? Am I getting caught up
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: in that, that, that fantasy as well? Or am I
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: actually like denying something that's really quite real and seemingly
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: like so many people were rooting for us at the time,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you know, and our parents had met and were you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Barb was giving her blessing for us to be together.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Cause he was single at the time too.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Let me clarify.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: He had called off his engagement and the show was
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: airing on TV. So he was single. Um, even there
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: was a moment where I almost became the bachelorette. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: even in that meeting, they were poking to see if
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: we would end up together. So they were poking, our
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: parents were poking and, and, you know, overnight my, Follower
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: count was up to almost 100,000. All of them were
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: seemingly like, this is a modern-day rom-com.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, right?
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: So you're getting all this. It was a really interesting
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: time in my mind.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so, you know, yeah. So it was a tricky,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: confusing time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Time so clearly like others were seeing the connection that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you guys had it wasn't something you were like making
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: up yeah fairy tale because others were viewing it that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: way if the tablets were coming out that way and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: like your parents were seeing it that kind of thing
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: there was a connection that people were.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Seeing yeah you know we uh we spent new year's
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: eve together because again that was my job he did
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: a press um press there on new year's eve and
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: so like we were together then. And actually people started
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: saying it then, like, they're like, are you sure you
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: two don't end up together? And again, to me, we
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: were just, we were just friends and we had a
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: lot of fun together. So we were enjoying, we're, you know, we're, we're,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: we're very similar personalities. We're very like outgoing personable. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: so together we're like, you know, double the fun, if
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: you will. And so, yes, people started to observe it then. And,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: and it was coming from a lot of different angles.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I've sensed, you know, talk to different people from the show.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of people saying completely, I've
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: made this all up in my head and listen, there's
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: elements of that for sure. You daydream and you start
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: to write the stories in your mind. And a lot
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: of my book was like talking about that and shattering
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: those stories and how we get caught up in the
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: fairy tales we've been conditioned with our entire lives. Um, But,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: you know, even Chris Harrison, when I finally told him,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: he's like, you know, I was.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Rooting for you.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: We were rooting for you guys to end up together.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: And another old producer supervisor was like, oh, yeah, we
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: we all like saw it. So I was like, oh, OK.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's good to know. I don't know.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I don't think I don't think so. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: completely fabricated the whole thing. I think there was a
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: genuine connection and maybe it's just as friends.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Sure. Fine. I, I wish him nothing but the best.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I think he's a wonderful human.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: You know, another part of my journey was like, I've
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: been so good at getting all these people to share
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: their heart and be vulnerable and, With men, I've always
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: shielded mine and always, you know, as a form of
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: protection and not wanting to deal with rejection and the
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: hurt and pain that comes with that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: So I was always like the cool Loof girl.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I never showed my emotions, never showed that I cared.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: And so, yeah, part of my journey was like working
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: through that to finally like practice what I preach and
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: turn the lens inward and ask myself the same questions
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: I'd ask contestants about like what I really want. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: for me, Peter was really the catalyst for that. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: so I'm super grateful for him because of everything that happened,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: because of everything that went down. It really is what
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: led me to leaving the show and embarking on my
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: own healing journey. And, you know, none of that would
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: have happened if all the chaos with Peter hadn't happened.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: So I'm, you know, I trust in like God's plan
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: that got me here and I'm.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Grateful for it all. So, yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It's weird how life just works out that way. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: No, it is at the time.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Now I say that now in a place of like
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: feeling centered and having done a lot of inner healing work.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: But when I left, it was really hard.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: You know, I, I, on a spiritual level, they call
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: it like the dark night of the soul and like
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: all of your, you know, who you know yourself as
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: your identities teared away from you. And then I felt
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: like I was carrying this big secret and have like
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: a scarlet letter on my chest. And so I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: really in this sort of state of like fight flight
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: freeze and and anxiousness and fear and all that and
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: so um but through that we work through it and
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: and um yeah it was really a spiritual journey in
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: the end which I'm really happy for yeah yeah brought
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: me back to God I want to talk about your
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: healing journey um but I want to go back to
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: so the tablets came out that you know rumored that
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: you guys had some sort of relationship at that point,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: did you and Peter reach out to each other?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And then how did that, how did the connection be made?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: How was the connection made? Who made the connection first?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we're going to go past his friends.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Uh, well we were, we're still, yeah, we were like
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: laughing about it and thought it was fun. And, um,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: you know, getting messages from all sorts of people like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: and you know, and, I mean, Barb called me and
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: was praying for it to happen.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And my dad's like, Julie, are you sure? Are you
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: sure there's nothing there?
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: I've never seen you this way with a guy like
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: when I saw you guys together because our families had
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: hung out. And and so, yeah, but we were just like,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: ha ha ha, you know, laughing it off. And then, yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: one day we were, you know, part of the season
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: was still airing on TV and And so I'd still
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: check in with him. And sometimes we'd watch episodes ahead
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: of time to like prep him for it. And so
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: one time we were doing that and had a lot
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: of wine. And then he made a move on me.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: And in that moment, I followed my heart.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's always the alcohol.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Barb. So I had seen, and maybe this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: isn't true. Maybe you can clear this up. I had
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: seen a, something about Barb basically coming out and saying,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: if you lift Peter's NBA, he can tell his side
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of the story.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Guess a couple of questions. Are you and Barb still,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: do you guys have still have a good relationship or not?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: What do you think Barb means by that? Like, what
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: would Peter's side be? Yeah, I think they're not happy
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about the book. So they've since stopped communicating with me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And that's okay.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: That's their choice. You know, I don't know if they've
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: even read it. I was very kind to all of
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: them in it. And it was really my story and
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: my heart. And he was a beautiful supporting character in it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: And so I... have no hard feelings towards him. When
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: she says lift the NDA, I think like, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: he's now brought up some points about like the manipulation
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: side of things as a producer which like I totally
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: get I'm sure that's bringing up some like old wounds
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: there um and that was a complicated thing for me
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: right because I cared about him as a person I
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: got really close with his family it's really hard the
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: like producing side and so That really is a big
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: reason why I left the show.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: It didn't align with my truth. It didn't align with
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: my heart. It didn't align with who I was.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: And again, that's why I'm like grateful for Peter that
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: like I got that clarity through all that. But they
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: all were like my biggest fans and cheerleaders. And I
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: think maybe they're just latching at straws. And if they
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: really want to share stuff, I have.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: A great lawyer.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, anyone should share their story. I'd love to
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: hear Peter's story. He once told me we should write
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: our story together. So I, you know, yeah, they're reacting from,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I think, fear and anger.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: And I think they just... So I'm coming from my heart.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: That's all I could do.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: And I hope they see that I have no hard
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: feelings or ill will. This is just my story. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: there's no way I would be where I am right
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: now if all that hadn't happened. Again, he was the
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: catalyst for where I am. And it's led me to
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: like the deeper work I do now as.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: A hypnotherapist and a coach and energy healer.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I've studied all these modalities to break through our deeper
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: subconscious blocks. So I really, I work with women to
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: empower them to work through that, work through their shame,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: share their truth, share their story and become their own
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: leading lady, right? For so long, I was supporting character
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: for everyone else. And so again, I'm grateful. I have
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: no hard feelings to say about them. I think they're
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: a lovely family and I'm sorry if I hurt them
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: in any way. That's not my intention.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: This is just my story and we all should feel
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: empowered to share our stories.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope one day that they can actually read
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the book. Because I feel like a lot of times
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: people will jump to a conclusion about what you possibly
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: might be saying about them, but they actually haven't really listened.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And maybe they're not ready to listen right now, but
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: maybe later in life they can hear what you're saying
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and you're grateful for them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, in the end, I think.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: ultimately the message I hope to spread is that we
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: could be, all be love producers in this world. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: really it starts by going on that inner journey and
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: you have to work through your wounds and your triggers
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: and your blocks.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: And like, if, if, if I'm triggering them so much
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: and upsetting them so much, can they look at what's
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: really upsetting them within and what have they not worked
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: through or not healed from and, and go and do
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: that because I'm really glad I did. And so it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: helped me get through this chaos because it could, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: the things people have been saying can make me like
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: crawl up in a ball and just want to hide
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: again in shame. And that is not a good place
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: to be. I was in that place for a long time.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: I had a lot of like, you know, nights crying
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: myself to sleep and it was hard and it was painful.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: But through that, like I, you know, I, transcend it
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: i'm not perfect i still have my moments it's still
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: like not easy but we we work through it and
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: um yeah and if we could just all come from
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: a loving heart that's that's what will.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Make the world a happier place yeah you didn't.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Leave after peter's season though right you went on to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: produce quite a few more seasons.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: What yeah so i ended up doing two more seasons
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: but that was sort of like the beginning of my
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: end i would say because then you know right after
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: peter's season um covet hit so So suddenly we were
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: forced to slow down. So suddenly I was forced to
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: be just in my thoughts and not distracted by, you know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: my 20 hour days, which at the time I thought
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I manifested COVID because I was on the verge of
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: a mental breakdown with everything that was happening.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like I need a break.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Know, like, and between everything and then I had some
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: family stuff going on and then I was supposed to
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: be like, you know, at Westlake that, that week right
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: before COVID was like the craziest week.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Of my life. And, um, and then, yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: And then COVID hit. So I suddenly was able to
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: slow down. I was like, Oh my God, thank you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: But then it like left me to like be in
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: my thoughts and then with everything as you'll read in
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: my book. But yeah, then I saw Peter was with
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Kelly and we were together like two days before that. And, uh,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: and then I just dealt with like a tremendous amount
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: of pain and heartbreak and, um, embarrassment and shame and like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Oh my God, I, I should have known better. Like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: how can I be such an idiot? All those like
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: inner thoughts and just like, and just heartbreak. I was just,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: I was just, cause at the time I was like, well, maybe,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: maybe this is, maybe I should just like lean into this.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is something, I don't know.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: But again, I wasn't able to like, have like a
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: real conversation about him. I just like, just, I was
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: always like, But anyway, so I was forced to slow down,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: look within, and I started to meditate. And I had some, like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: some powerful spiritual experiences during COVID.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And then we picked back up. And then I was
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: working with, like, Claire and Tayshia.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: And at that time, you know. Claire's been wild. Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. And for a moment, like, when they were, like, considering, like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: for a moment, they considered me to be in The
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Bachelorette that season. So can you imagine, like, going from, like, this, like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: possible Cinderella dream to, like, Back the, you know, back
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: in the rags like Cinderella.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It really felt like Cinderella. Yeah. And so I, yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: So it was, it was, it was hard. And it
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: was COVID.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: So we took away the travel. And we were, like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: in Palm Springs in the middle of the desert. Getting, like,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: nosebleeds every day from the COVID test. Oh, no. having
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: a hard time actually connecting because we were wearing these
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: masks and it was just it was it was it
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: was a lot and I think because I had gotten
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: into like a more normal routine during COVID and like
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: actually got to sleep and and and work out and
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: things like that it was like hard to get back
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: into the production mindset I actually left a little early
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: in that season after a grandparent passed away and when
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I was home I just did a lot of inner
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: reflection and yeah and then decided to.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Leave that season was also when Chris Harrison was let
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: go correct yeah yeah did that play into your decision at.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: All uh I left I left a little before that
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: before him okay yeah yeah I loved I.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Mean I I still love um Jesse I think he
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: does a great job but like Chris Harrison I don't
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: know I don't know how do you feel those shoes
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know he was so.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Great I know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I always joke the ratings have gone down since me
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and Chris left.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I love it. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: You know, I say, yeah, Chris was just like the
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: face of the show and he was the face of.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: The show and also a bit of the heart of
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the show.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, it's hard. It's hard. You know, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: hope they bring it back to like what the show
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: used to be. Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: How do you, are you still enjoying watching it? How's it?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I actually stopped watching it not long after you guys left.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So as I'm saying, it is fairly true. We got
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: more invested. Justin and I are from Utah. So obviously
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: we got more invested when The Secret Life of Mormon
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Wives and that crossover with Taylor Frankie Paul.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on Taylor Frankie Paul. Do you
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: think they're going to air her season?
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought for sure they were going to.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: And it's interesting that they have not.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And I think.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I think if there's a world where they can, they will,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: but it seems like things just kind of keep coming
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: up that are getting in the way of it. It
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: seems like just with all the legal stuff and DCF
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: and all that. So, so I don't know because the
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: time has passed. The window's getting tighter and tighter. So yeah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: when it first all happened, I'm like, oh, they'll for
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: sure air it. They're definitely going to still air it
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: at some point, but yeah. Yeah, it seems like it's
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: all just, like, probably legal stuff at this point, so.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Do you watch Secret Lives of Women and Wives at all?
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: You know, I watched, like, the first episode, and then
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, I can't get hooked because they'll suck
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: me in, and so I haven't watched it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of clips.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I know the general backstories, and I've, you know, I've
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: started following Taylor Frankie Paul's journey, and I think she's on, like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: a really powerful healing journey right now, and so I'm...
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I'm happy to see that with her. And I hope
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: she continues just to heal and grow as a human.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Because I think her, you know, I think her intentions
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: are well.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been shocked by the new season. So Jordan
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and I are just watching it because it just released
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: last Thursday.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: So we'll do like a recap on it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But she is like revealing a lot of the secrets
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: from The Bachelor. And so from The Bachelorette of what
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: happened and stuff on this season. So I'm also like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: she's kind of, taking away the job. Almost taking it
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: away from them being able to air it now.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know. It almost seems like they probably won't now. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: So I've been shocked by that, I guess. I don't know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: We'll see. I would still watch, I think. But it's still.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: I think it's still like, you know, it's a guilty pleasure.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: You want to watch to see it all unfold, right?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. I know
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: it's not looking too promising anymore.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But No, not especially since the new season of Secret
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Life dropped.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I had hope and now I'm
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: kind of losing the hope. Although they probably filmed that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: After, well, they still thought it maybe would air before
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: it premiered, but I don't know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: She drank out of a faucet? I saw a clip. Yeah.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah probably not the greatest clip for her I don't
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: know how I feel about that circulating around but she's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I guess probably used to the online yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: You know she owns every part of her and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: really admire her for that yeah yeah she does um
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I want to switch gears though and talk to you
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: about your like healing journey because I'm very interested in
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: like energy work like I said we're a big big
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: fans of manifesting.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: We've seen things happen by Jordan and I doing those things.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: But also Reiki. I've done Reiki a few times with
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of energy workers and absolutely love it. So
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I want to know what took you that direction to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: learn Reiki and hypnotherapy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Um, my, my sister's a hypnotherapist and she was, she
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: was a TV producer. And then once she got married,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: had kids, she tried to go back to producing and
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: that lifestyle just didn't align with being a mom for her.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: God bless producers that also raise kids. It's just the
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: hours are really hard, you know? And so she had
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: gone to hypnotherapy for her TMJ when she had like
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: really bad TMJ in her jaw and she had tried everything.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: And And someone's like, you should try hypnotherapy. And she
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: was skeptical, but she went. And after three sessions, her
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: TMJ was gone.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And she was like, oh, my God.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: So when she was like, what can I do for
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: a career as a mom? She decided to go to
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: hypnotherapy school. And while she was in hypnotherapy school, I
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: had just broken up with my boyfriend of five years.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: This was Ari's season. I had to go to Paris
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: the week after my boyfriend and I broke up.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And also like be happy and like try and produce love.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: When you're like in heartbreak.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Paris and a broken heart. You know, the poetic agony.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: But anyway, after I got back from Ari's season, I
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: moved in with her because my boyfriend and I had
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: broken up and I'd gotten rid of all my.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I was supposed to finally move in with him. Long story.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: I move in with her temporarily and I was doing
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: the two hour commute to my office in the West
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: side and just crying and crying and heartbroken. And then
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: she was going to hypnotherapy school and she's like, can
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: I try hypnosis on you? And I'm like, I don't
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: think I can't quiet my rambling mind. It's not going
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: to work on me. And she shattered those, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: misconceptions because everyone's hypnotizable. Actually, like every day we're in
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: a hypnotic state.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: That 30 minutes before bed, that 30 minutes when you
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: first wake up in the morning. And basically what that
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: means is the filter between the conscious and subconscious mind
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: is open to absorb things in as truth and reality.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: And this is also like where manifesting comes in. And
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: the subconscious dictates like 88%, sometimes up to 95% of
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: our day to day. And so when you're in that
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: hypnotic state that that filters open so you could absorb
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: things in as truth and reality. And as the subconscious
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: absorbs that in, it's going to do everything it can
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: to make that your reality because, um, for better or worse,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: what it holds onto equals pleasure, right? A lot of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: your subconscious is forming your childhood from like zero to
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: eight when you're just, you're subconscious, like a sponge taking
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: in everything as truth and reality, you know? So that's
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: why like a lot of people you think when you
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: reflect on relationships, like what was your first example of
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: love growing up? And, you know, people often repeat those
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: patterns as an adult. But anyway, so she hypnotized me
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: to help me with my breakup. And after two sessions,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: I was like transformed.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: OK, this is powerful.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: And then and so when I left The Bachelor and
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: had no idea what I was doing in my life,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: I knew I needed to leave. And I was like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I had a million ideas in my head I want
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: to try to create. But then the hypnotherapy school was
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: starting the next week. So I was like, oh, it
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: must be a sign.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: From the universe. Let me sign up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Partially so people stop, don't ask me what I'm doing
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: or I could just say I'm in school, you know.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: And partially because I was intrigued and curious and having
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: done more like meditating and during COVID time, I was
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: like intrigued by the subconscious. So I started studying that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And then I was still like going in and out
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: of production. So sometimes I'd pause school, go back. And
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: so I got really behind. on my credits and there
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: was a Reiki elective one weekend, like a training. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, I've always been like intrigued by that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: It was, it was kind of weird. I'm like, I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: don't get it. Hands over you. Like, I don't understand,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: but like I'm behind and I'm curious.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I always try to just be like open and curious.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: So I, I took the course, I ended up doing
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Reiki one and two. And when I say just like
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: this veil was lifted, it was like the most powerful thing.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: life-changing thing for me then like kind of some crazy
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: like woo stuff started happening like I started you know
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: I started seeing auras around people I started seeing like
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: energy like I could see like the in-between energy like
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: I lay down at night I could like I could
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: see it's almost like a static tv yeah it's really
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: cool yeah like some.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Some Reiki workers will like tell you a color or something?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Are you seeing colors or you're just seeing auras or like,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: what does that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Look like for you?
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: So actually as you're talking, I could see a glow
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: around you cause you're against the white wall. Um, but I,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: you know, I, I haven't like honed in on the
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: gift enough to like, like if I focus for long enough,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I'd probably be able to see color. But right now
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I just see like a, like a white glow around you. Um,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: but yeah, and it was heightened like right after I
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: did see some, I like, I would see colors, um,
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: I had this really cool moment with like a deer
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: and the sequoias, or we just stared at each other.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: And then I saw like the blue glow around the deer.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it was really, really special. And
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: so I, you know, all this stuff kind of started happening. And,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: and then at like points, it was like a little
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: like scary for me. Cause it's like, this isn't normal. Like,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: you know, and then, um, so it was like, yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: it was like a push pull, like a little bit
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: of resistance. Cause again, my subconscious is like, so programmed, like, what?
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: You can't, this can't happen. Um, but like on a
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: deeper level, I've been really feeling pulled and drawn towards that. Um,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: and so that's the kind of stuff I'm excited to
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: just like keep exploring and diving into. And I, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: I do it with clients, but yeah, Reiki, I mean like, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: I mean my hands, they'll, they'll just like talk to
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: me and it's super powerful when you, so when you
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: had it, did you like feel the tingling or warmness
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: or what did.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: It feel like for you?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: So, um, I've done Reiki twice with two different, um,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: ladies and the first one like I mean they both
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: taught me like start by laying down the first time
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that I did Reiki with the lady it was really
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: powerful and I could feel it and then when she
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: started talking to me about things with like relationships or
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: like people in the past that have passed then I
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: could really feel it in my body like a tingling
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: but the second lady that I had I don't feel
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: like her and I had a great connection and it
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: she had like some like facts wrong. And so I
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: don't think I was like connecting with that a hundred percent.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: But I've done energy work with a one lady here
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in town several times. And when she connects to me energetically,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: my foot will like tap for a while. Yeah. And it's,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not even like doing it. It's just like, I'll
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: notice it in the middle of our session.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Like, Oh, I'm doing this. What does that mean? just
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: like a yeah i mean you could explain it yeah.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Well it's probably energy releasing too yeah right yeah um
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: because i've had some cool sessions i mean i've had
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: times where my hands like go like this and like
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: i couldn't even like move and i'm like oh my
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: god my hands will move back but it's like stuck
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: stagnant energy that's probably needing to flow out of you
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: you know especially like Right. We all have our chakra systems,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: like our seven chakra, even higher chakra systems, which are
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: our energy centers of our body. And a lot of
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: it gets stuck and it could be held in emotions,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: like whatever, you know, different parts of the body or
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: can signal certain parts. But, but yeah, held in emotions
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: that are, you know, as you do the energy work,
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: it's going to release and align, align your center.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: So you, yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: So you're coming from a centered and energetically aligned place.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the foot, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. There's certain stuck,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: stagnant energy probably flowing out. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So I've never done Reiki. And I guess for our
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: listeners and for me, can you guys explain exactly, like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: is it just going in and like, is it releasing
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: pent up energy or like we're reading?
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: What is it? Yeah. So why would I go get
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Reiki done? I guess is my question.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's a great question. We're all energetic beings, right?
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: To me, like everything is energy. And our energy centers,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: we have our chakras in our body.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And things will get stuck, right?
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: We go through trauma and we hold it in our
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: body and we have our wounds and we have, or
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: just day-to-day life even, right? You want to you want
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: to be able to have your energy be in flow
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: and align so you could be in this like healing
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: flow state. People will also do Reiki for like an injury.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Right. And so, OK, so basically it's connecting with.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Like the life force energy that is around all of
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: us and our hands are really just the vessel. to
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: help move it and move it in you but you're
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: it's your body doing the work and we're just helping
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: to connect and have it flow through you um very
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: cool does that make sense I know it's like a
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: little some people like think it's but you experience.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: It and you're like oh this works this is yeah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Now I remember death you talking about it and telling
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: me yeah I remember that story so yeah some good
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: experiences for sure like through energy work but um just
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: recently was it Saturday George on Saturday her and I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: were talking about tapping um I noticed that was something
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: that you also like um have done a little bit of.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: School on so Tapping is something that I've learned with
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: like therapy, right?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Or like anxiety and things like that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: And so we were kind of chatting about how this
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: could potentially like help our kids, right? When it could
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: be just a small movement that if they're in an
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: anxious state during school or with friends, they can do that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: So maybe you could share like something that would be
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: helpful for that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, tapping is another form of energy work, really.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Like we have these meridian techniques energy field flows through
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: our body.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: And with tapping, you're basically... hitting on those centers. Sorry,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: my nails. I haven't got my nails. It's gel and
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I can't get it off. Just compete your other ones
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but again, yeah, please. Stuck energy in the body.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: And so you tap these certain points in your body
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: and you talk about something you're feeling. So for me, actually,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: I have a chapter in the book when I first
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: did like a tapping workshop. And it was the first
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: time I said shame out loud. And then the whole
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: group did it all together. And I, so it was,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: you start by saying like, even though I feel shame,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I still love.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: And accept myself fully.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: And so you start up here and then you hit
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: these different centers where it helps with the energy flowing
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: in the body and the meridian centers. And then you
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: just say, I feel shame, shame, I carry shame. And
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: there's these different points and you just tap them. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: the idea is that by doing that, you're helping the body.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Move and release it.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: And and when I say I felt the most powerful
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: release of my shame after that one session, like I
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: just I mean, tears are flowing. The energy was like
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: moving through me and it really was like a super
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: powerful release. But, you know, on a day-to-day, like, you
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: could do it for anxiety or stress and just, yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: tap those points. You could look them up. It's emotional
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: freedom technique, EFT, or tapping. And you could look it
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: up online, and it has, like, the points that you
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: hit to basically hit those meridian points.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's great that you've done it, too. Yeah, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I think for kids, yeah. It's like.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Kids, if they learn this at a younger age, like
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: if they have these tools at a younger age, because
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: otherwise it just, oh, it's all stuck in there for
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: so many years.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it could be really super powerful for kids.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Do you work with children?
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: I did do some work with teens. I mostly work
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: with adults now.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: I'll do, I'll sometimes do workshops with teens. I was
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: helping out like a teen treatment center. Um, that's the
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: time to actually really, that's the time you can really
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: help them because like before, you know, before, before all
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: the conditioning is like so ingrained in there, right.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: It's when their brains are most open.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: Um, yeah, I, I mostly work with adults right now,
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: but every now and then I'll go and like help, uh,
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: actually where, yeah, there's another treatment center I'm going to
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: be helping out soon.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's probably really rewarding.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah. yeah, I had a bit of a traumatic experience,
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: so I had to like pull back for a bit, but,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: but it is very rewarding.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Do you care to share the traumatic experience?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: What was the experience?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: One of the girls ended up assaulting me and, um, Oh, wow.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. Yeah. Thanks. It was, it was, it
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: was intense. Yeah. Um, Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Probably made you kind of step back for a minute.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: And it's so hard because I'm a very empathetic person
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: and you see they're like the stuff they've gone through
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: and the trauma they carry and you want to help.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: And I think that was, that was earlier in my
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: career and I realized I need to learn how to
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: like cut the cord.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Cause sometimes I become too energetically entangled and I, um,
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: And I realized this down the line, even with the bachelor,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: you know, at the time I didn't realize how sensitive
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I was myself, just the energy and, you know, a
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: very sensitive person. I've been told I'm an empath or
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: I know I'm an empath. And so like, you tend
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: to like, when you don't know that you don't have
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: the tools, you just absorb everything. And so I was
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: taking in all those emotions of those leads and like
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: carrying them as my own really.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: And so, um, learn these tools also cut it, cut it,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: not mine to carry, you know? Yes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like The Bachelor in your experience there
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: kind of warped your sense of like reality or maybe
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: your perspective on love a little bit?
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Sure. Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Um, I think like, I think a lot of us millennials, well,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: you're a little younger.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: How old are you girls? You know, we grew up
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: conditioned on like Cinderella and these rom-coms of the nineties
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: and early 2000s and like, And, you know, I mean,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: as a kid, I was convinced I was going to
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: marry Justin Timberlake. Yeah. And then you go and like
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: work on a show like The Bachelor. And like I
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: was always the hopeless romantic at that show. I like
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: loved seeing the happy ending. I was always hopeful it
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: would work out. And yeah, but, you know, what I
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: appreciated about it is that we did kind of push
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: them to go deep. much faster and have those harder
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: conversations much faster. And so like, and you know, dating
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: in LA in real life, like it might take you
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: a year before you open up and share that like
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: really vulnerable story. And on the show, you were in
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: this container where it was safe to do so. And
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: it was encouraged to do so. And through that, like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: you know, I always say you, you come out of
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: the show and like, even for like Taylor, Frankie, Paul,
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: I think it was probably like very healing for her.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: Like you learn a lot about yourself going on that journey.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: And so I, I like to say I took elements
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: of the show and like use them on myself.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: And like force myself to be vulnerable and go deeper
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: and all that. And so I think it's, I think
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: it has its perks too, but yeah, I mean, sure.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: You know, I go on a date and I'm like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: where's the helicopter? Yeah, really. I don't get it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Well, and in my book, you'll read about, I ended
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: up going on this whirlwind romance with this English guy.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: And I felt like I was in like this bachelorette
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: bubble and we were doing this like bachelorette style dates
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: and we were going deep fast. And it was like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: I was jet-setting to London and Paris, and I felt
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: like I was a bachelorette.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: But, like, by then, I'd already, like, gone, like, I'd
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: learned a lot of these tools to, like, you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: and so I found my voice more. I was able
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: to have, like, the vulnerable conversations with him, and so...
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Eventually the bubble popped and, you know, he wasn't my person,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: but it was one of the most beautiful relationships I had.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: And I learned a lot about myself through the process.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: So I was like really glad to have.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: That, you know?
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: You just made me think of another question I had
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: for you. So you had mentioned that they were considering
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: you to be the bachelorette.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Which I feel like would have made a great season.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Like they could have done so much with that. So
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: why do you think that they chose to go? You
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: said it was a COVID mix with Claire and Tisha?
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Claire.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Did they ever tell you why they didn't?
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Well, for me, they just said no one will ever
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: believe your story because you're a producer and know too much.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: That was ultimately the reason. And then I cried. And
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're wrong. You're wrong. I deserve love, too.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: So it was hard. Then I was embarrassed. And I cried.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: That does, though, kind of beg the question, do you
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: think you could have went into it with the same?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Know the backside of everything. So it might have been difficult, right?
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think if that had happened, I would have
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: fully surrendered to the process and leaned in.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really do. Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Because I've seen the pros of it. I've seen like
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: the positive outcomes of it. And again, like even though
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: like the bubble often pops and it's not their forever person,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: I see like, you know, maybe it's my half glass
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: full side, but I see like the beauty that comes
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: from from fully surrendering to the experience.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Well, do you leave your bachelorette?
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're in a relationship now or not,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: but I.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Guess if they asked you, would you say yes or
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: would you say no?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: It's really funny because people have asked me that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: It would, it would be like, it'd be hard to
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: turn down the opportunity, but I also think like, I don't,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: I don't, I don't think that's my path anymore.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I think I, yeah, I think I'm, yeah. but, but yeah,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: never know. Never know where life's going to take you.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Your book, it was writing the book part of your
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: healing process as well.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: So it's interesting because, you know, when I first left
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: the show and I had like, I'm like, I just
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: want to work on my own ideas. I was like,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: if Peter and I had ended up together at the end,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: that's a really good rom-com.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Right I mean everyone was saying it everyone.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah and I was like I should develop it I
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: should do a rom-com and I actually worked with a
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: um this like a friend of mine I was like
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: an up-and-coming writer director and we fleshed out a pitch
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: and a treatment and and we ended up pitching it
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: to like all the studios around town and great feedback
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: and they're like you know, this is better than how
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: to lose a guy in 10 days.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah. Oh my God. Thank you.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: And so I, I, I got really excited about that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: And then, you know, I guess this is par for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: the course on the scripted side, which was all new
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: to me, but you know, ultimately they're like, come back
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: when the script's done or you have like an actor
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: attached to it. And at the time my friend had
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: just done his first feature and he's like, I'm not
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: gonna be able to write it for like another year.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: And we were going to write it together. And I'm like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I've never written a script. Like, I don't know what
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: And so eventually I was like, maybe I write the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: book version first. And it was going to be fiction,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: like a little bit like Devil Wears Prada meets Eat, Pray,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: Love and fictionalize. And again, I didn't really have confidence
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: in myself as a writer. I was interviewing ghost writers,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: but none of them felt right. And then eventually I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: was like, all right, let me just try to do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: it myself. And it's a new creative, you know, tool
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: to like try to learn. Yeah. And so I started
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: working on the fiction version myself, but then simultaneously I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: was being pulled down the spiritual journey.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: And through that.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: I kept getting downloads and intuitive guidance that I had
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: to share my truth and I had to share my heart.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: And it was important for like where I'm going from
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: here and the work I'm going to do. And I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: had a lot of fear and a lot of shame
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: around that. And, and so I had to like, you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: I ignored it for a while and kept doing my
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: own inner work. And then eventually I got the courage
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: and I just start to write for myself. Not sure
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: if I'd do anything for it. And it was super
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: healing and cathartic. I think like, you know, taking all
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: your crazy thoughts in your mind and just like streaming
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: it out onto the page is a really, it's a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: really beautiful thing.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Beautiful healing thing to do.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: And it really, you know, I say it was really like, yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: it was, it was a, it was an act between
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: me and God really. And it was, I really felt
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: divinely connected during that time when I would just like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: surrender and get into flow state and you talk about Reiki,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: my hands would tingle.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: They'd be like, go right.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: And my hands would like literally tingle. I'd be like, okay,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: I'm half asleep right now. You know?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: And, and yeah, so it was very cathartic and healing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: for me. Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And what is your, what is your goals and aspirations
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: from here?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Not being a bachelorette.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: We know that.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I'd love to find my partner in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: terms of that side of things. And I, I, I, think,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: you know, energetically, we connect with where we're at in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: our life. So I understand now why I haven't found
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: my person yet. But I think I really had to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: go through all this and, and heal. And so now
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I'm like, open to that. And then in terms of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: my career, I just hope to continue to inspire women
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: to like, not be afraid to share their voice and
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: share their heart and help them heal. I say we
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: should all embody this leading lady energy.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: So many of us tend to be the supporting character
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: for so many others. So Yeah, so now I work
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: with women and help them become their own leading lady
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: on their journey for love. And the journey for love
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: to me is really like, you know, the inner journey.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: The journey for love is what we're all on, right?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: It's not just romantic. It's all entities of your life. So, yeah,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: so through hypnotherapy and coaching and energy work, I do that.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: And I'm planning some retreats and workshops coming up. Oh,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: that's exciting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Good. And then continue to write and create. Okay,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: we're going to do just like a quick theme.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: I had to answer fast.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get better.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: So just quick rapid fire. I have just a few questions.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: So most dramatic bachelor season you produced.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Peter Roberts. Good point.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Good point. Bachelor mansion or international travel.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: International travel. Okay. Rose ceremony or fantasy suites.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: Fantasy suite. Cause the nice thing about fantasy suite is
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: that like, We were out of there. Rose ceremonies were
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: filming all night.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: It takes so long to film rose ceremonies. True.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I actually have a follow-up question steering off from the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: rapid fire. Do you guys know in the rose ceremonies,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: do you know ahead of time who the roses are
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  Speaker 1: going to?
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  Speaker 3: Or at least have a good idea?
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  Speaker 5: Well, right before them because they have the cocktail party beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. So then, oh, like as they're handing out
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  Speaker 3: the roses. We know as they're handing them out. You
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  Speaker 3: already know? You do. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay. But we literally will know maybe five minutes
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  Speaker 5: before because we'll go through it. Because, you know, they
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  Speaker 5: have the whole cocktail party beforehand. So that's sort of
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  Speaker 5: their last chance.
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  Speaker 3: And then we'll.
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  Speaker 5: Reconvene with the lead and we'll figure out, okay, who's staying.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: And then, yeah, kind of figure out the order of names.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Has a lead ever just veered off and given a
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  Speaker 1: rose to someone that wasn't on the list?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, and gone rogue on us? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that has happened. Not with a lead
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  Speaker 5: I was producing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: No, usually they're pretty good at telling us. But I
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  Speaker 5: feel like that might have happened, but I can't remember
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  Speaker 5: with who.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Producer Julie or contestant Julie?
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  Speaker 3: Who would cause more chaos? Well, apparently as a producer,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: I've caused a lot of chaos, haven't I? So we'll
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: go with that. How about that?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And then let's do Julie in three words. That's a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: hard one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Julie in three words.
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  Speaker 5: I like to think that I am genuine, compassionate, and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: free spirited.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. We haven't known you except for this
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: quick little bit, but all three of those things, I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: would say you come across that way.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Well, this has been so fun.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Where can our listeners find
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: your book and find you?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can go to loveproducer.com, and that's where I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: have information on my business and my coaching and stuff.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: And then also you could purchase a book through there
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: or anywhere books are sold, Amazon, Barnes & Noble. I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: would say go to your local bookstore, and if they
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: don't carry it, they could order it for you and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: support local.
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  Speaker 3: I always encourage that. Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then my Instagram is Julie LaPlaca. J-U-L-I-E-L-A-P-L-A-C-A. Love it.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Love it. Thank you, ladies.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Feral Crew, now we want to hear from you.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: After hearing Julie's side of the story, do you think
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: there's more to those Peter Weber romance rumors? Drop your
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: theories in the comments because we want to know what
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you think.
• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:42
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: into the secret lives of Mormon wives, family relationships, and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the side of Taylor you don't see on TV.
• 1:06:55
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