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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 3) (6/13/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
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  back to the Sarah Kellen transcript from her meeting with Congress.
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  Question by Miss Brynac. After he picked you up at
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  the dock, where did he take you? Answer? We just
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  went up to like the main part of the house,
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  and I remember like Lane being there and the assistant
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  that I was potentially going to replace. We were only
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  there for a few days. I remember being it was
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  very luxurious. I remember that I shared a room with
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  redacted and in the morning she was like, you can
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  ask for whatever you want for breakfast. She's like, I'm
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  going to have a big bowl of berries and I
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  was like, wow, like a whole bowl of berries, Like
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  those are really expensive. It felt very luxurious, like nothing
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  I had ever encountered before. Question, so you understood the
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  couple could be wealthy? Answer? Yeah, Question what did you
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  understand their positions to be? How did you believe that
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  they acquired their wealth? Answer? I know it one point.
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  I learned what he did, but I understood that he
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  managed billionaire's money. Like they told me, he wouldn't take
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  on a client unless he was worth one billion dollars.
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  Glaine would tell me, you know, you should really listen
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  to what he says, and you know, do what he says,
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  because he's clearly very successful and influential and he can
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  help you. Question who told you that he wouldn't take
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  a client unless they were worth over a billion? Answer?
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  Probably Colayne, maybe him. It was just my general understanding,
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  so I'm sure it would have been one of those two.
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  Question you mentioned that you believed that you were replacing Glaine.
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  Who told you that? Answer? Not Colayne her assistant. Question Okay,
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  I apologize. When did you first did you meet? Redacted?
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  Answer on the island trip? Question why did you believe
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  you were replacing her? Answer that that's what I was told.
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  She wanted to go to Alai to pursue acting, so
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  she was preparing to leave. Question Who would have told
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  you that she was leaving for acting? Answer? I don't
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  know if it was redacted or redacted herself. Question We'll
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  go into more specifics on this, but can you briefly
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  describe the nature of your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer?
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  He was terrifying. He was completely dominating of everything in
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  my life. I had an apartment to live in in
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  New York, so I had to live where he told
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  me to live. He dictated what I wore. If I
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  wore something that he didn't approve of, he would look
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  at me and say, it's disgusting. Where did you get this?
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  Throw it away? So every time I would buy anything new,
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  I would have to immediately go to him and get approval.
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  He just decimated any source of autonomy that I had,
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  which was very little at the time considering my upbringing.
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  He dictated my haircut, my hair color. He would go
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  to the salam with me and tell me what color
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  to make it, what cut to make it. He gave
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  me a boy cut with bangs, blonde hair, brown hair,
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  and every length, every cut. He was extremely, extremely demanding,
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  and he had no sense of reality and what it
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  took to get things done. He would get so angry
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  if things weren't done immediately or the next day, and
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  he would keep you in such a state of terror
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  that most menial things weren't done. It was the smallest
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  things became important to him. Like just a silly example.
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  We were in Beijing one time, and he would go
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  through periods of obsession of different types of foods. He
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  would eat one thing for months at a time, and
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  he was on an oreo kick. And I forgot to
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  pack oreos for the trip to China, and he was
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  so angry that he had to have oreos FedEx from
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  New York to China. And it was like those things
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  in the moment were so important and so terrifying, and
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  they were always on a high alert of making sure
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  you didn't forget anything. And he was constantly giving you
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  more and more things, and he would ask that you
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  didn't exist in the world, like go source this, go
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  find this. So you were constantly trying to find something
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  that didn't exist, and if you couldn't find it, then
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  you'd have to try to find how to have it made.
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  So it was just be completely inundated with task and
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  responsibilities and then traveling. I traveled with them every two
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  to three days, so I always, you know, had to
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  pack a bag if we weren't staying at one of
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  the houses. And he would want his own bedding to
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  be brought if he was staying at a hotel, so
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  I would have to pack all the betting, and then
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  we would go to the hotel change his betting into
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  change the sheets out of the hotel, betting into his
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  sheets various projects. He eventually had me become his interior
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  designer because he was so difficult to work with, nobody
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  wanted to work with him anymore. So then I was
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  in charge of going out and getting fabric samples and
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  sourcing furniture and paint colors on top of all my
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  other responsibilities. Well, I was being sexually abused on a
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  regular basis. Question thank you over how many years did
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  your relationship take place? Answer? I met him well, technically,
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  I started working for him in two thousand end of
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  two thousand and one and started segueing out in twenty
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  twelve when I became engaged to my ex husband. Second
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  ex husband. Question is that when your relationship ended when
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  you segued out? Answer that's when I stopped working for him.
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  We would keep in contact occasionally, just kind of appease
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  them and not getting on his bad side. Question how
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  often would you communicate with mister Epstein? Answer at what
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  time period? Question over the time period that you work
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  with them? Answer almost daily. Depends on where we were
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  in New York, I answered to Glane, I mostly worked
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  out of her house when we were there, so she
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  would give me all my tasks in the morning. If
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  we were traveling, I would see Jeffrey every day because
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  I was staying at their homes or you know, in
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  a hotel with them. Question what was the matter of
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  your communications? What method did you communicate with them through?
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  Was it in person over email? Had it most frequently
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  communicate with them? And in which method? Answer? Mostly in person,
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  sometimes over the phone. In the first few years, he
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  didn't really use email. He didn't have a cell phone,
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  so he would call me mostly when he needed something
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  or wanted something, or to give me something. If I
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  was in New York or if it was at his home,
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  he would in person give me a list of things
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  to do. Question Was the communication always direct to you
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  or did he ever use intermediaries? Answer? Sometimes through assistance
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  in his Madison Avenue office in New York, Leslie Groff.
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  Other assistants that may have been at that office. There
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  was Helen Kim, a few others. Cecilia Stein, I believe
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  her name was, so sometimes he would give them tasks
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  for me to do. Question any other intermediaries beside the
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  assistance answer Glaine. Question did you sign a non disclosure
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  agreement upon being hired as Epstein's assistant. Answer yes. Question
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  what were the details of the agreement. I don't remember exactly.
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  I don't have a copy, but I remember there being
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  some sort of financial I would have to pay money
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  if I broke it. I forgot how much, but there
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  was a clause in there. Question did the NDA reference
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  any activity that you know was criminal in nature? Answer?
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  I don't remember what it said exactly. I just remember
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  that there being consequences monetarily. Question did the NDA reference
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  any massages or massuses? Answer no. Question Tell me about
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  your first interaction with Glenn Maxwell. Answer. It was on
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  the island that first trip. I remember her kind of
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  showing me some things around the island, like she had
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  these treasure chests that you would fill with pottery and
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  things that you would find on the island from when
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  it was like an old sugar mill. I remember that's
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  where she told me that you should really listen to
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  what Jeffrey has to say. You should listen to him
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  because he clearly knows what he's doing and he could
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  help you. I don't remember much else that particular trip
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  when I came when she called me, like a month
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  after the initial week she called me and was like,
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  can you come to Palm Beach today? And I was like,
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  I have to work tonight. I'm like, don't you have
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  to buy a flight like two weeks in advance. That's
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  kind of what I was always told. So she's like,
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  how about tomorrow? So I was like, okay, well, I
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  can ask for time off. And I flew out the
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  next day the Palm Beach and she put me to
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  work right away, like she had gotten back from a
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  trip to Paris, and she had me like help her
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  unpack her bags and showed me how to make Jeffrey's
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  coffee and to breakfast and where to buy newspapers in
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  the morning. I was helping with laundry, kind of just
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  anything that kind of needed to be done to serve them. Basically. Question.
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  You mentioned in your opening statement that you were on
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  call twenty four to seven. Answer, Uh huh. Question was
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  that the case when you first started? Answer? The entire
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  time my employment. I remember being at dinners with like
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  one of my boyfriends at the time and him calling
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  and I had to leave in the middle of dinner,
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  like I had to anytime he called or summoned me,
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  I had to jump and leave right away. Glene would
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  do the same thing. She would call. She did it
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  all the time to all the staff members. She would
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  call and just ask for unreasonable requests like ten o'clock
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  at night, can you come make Jeffrey this you know,
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  this snack or this meal, or they would just they
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  would do it to everybody. It was just completely overwhelming
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  and just there were no boundaries. Question how would you
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  characterize your relationship with Miss Maxwell? Answer? I thought she
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  was the most selfish person I had ever encountered. She
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  was mean and belittling. She would literally call me a slave,
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  her minion piglet polyp on a donkey's ass, like she
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  would belittle you as much as she could to make
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  herself more superior. She would do things like, you know,
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  just to make sure you knew that she was in charge.
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  She would, you know, ask me to make her a
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  cup of coffee, and I would make her coffee, and
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  then she would not even take a sip and let
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  it sit there for like an hour and be like,
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  can you make me another cup? And I felt like
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  she would just felt like she was on purpose created
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  a chaos so that I couldn't finish my tasks. That
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  she would then have to sweep in and save the
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  day and make it seem like it was needed or useful,
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  Miss Brignac. And we have another member who's just joined us.
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  Can you state your name for the record, Miss an Sorry, Yes,
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  Yasimin and sorry from Arizona's third District, Miss Brygnac. Question
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  did your relationship with Miss Maxwell change over the years? Answer?
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  The first several years I worked out of her house
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  in New York, and then she started kind of slowly
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  distancing herself from Jeffrey around the time he got arrested,
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  probably around two thousand and five time frame. She was
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  still around, you know, in charge of all the houses
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  and the staff, and you know, in charge of his life,
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  basically approving all the bills. She just didn't travel with
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  him as much. At that time she started dating Ted Waite,
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  so she was traveling with him a lot. Question. How
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  was mister Epstein as a boss? Answer? Terrifying. He was
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  like Jackal and Hyde. He could be the most charming,
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  like playful, what I consider generous at the time, Now
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  I know it was more about control. You didn't want
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  to get on his bad side. He could turn around
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  at the drop of a hat and you would see
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  the fire in his eyes. It was horrifying. I would
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  witness him bring even Glaine to tears, who I thought
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  was like the strongest, coldest woman I had met, And
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  you just didn't want his rage turned on you. It
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  was impossible to ask questions. He would get mad at
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  you and be like he would tell you something to do,
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  and you would try to ask for clarification, and he
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  would just be like, don't ask questions. Just do exactly
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  what I say, Like there's always a reason for everything
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  I tell you to do. Like you couldn't waver from
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  that at all. Question in professional settings, would he cross
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  the line as a boss? Answer? He sexually abused me
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  on a weekly basis. He would come into my room
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  at the house, wake me up, bless me. He would
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  literally just grab me by the hand pull me to
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  his bedroom. In New York, I even had my own
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  I had my own apartment that he let me stay in,
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  but he would call me at night and he had
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  a code word and that would call me and just
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  say cold sheets, and that meant I had to go
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  to his house and sleep with them. And he referred
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  to me as his human hot water bottle. Question did
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  he ever yell at you? Answer yes. Question did he
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  yell at other staff? Answer yes? Question was he inappropriate
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  towards other staff? Answer in what way? Question? In the
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  manner you've described so far, would he direct that towards
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  other staff members as well? Answer? I don't know. I
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  didn't witness any well, he would definitely yell and be
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  little and get mad at them if they didn't do
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  something to exact specifications. Question would he apologize afterwards? Answer? Never?
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  He never apologized to me once for anything. Question when
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  he was acting inappropriately? Were their witnesses? Miss? Ham jumps in,
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  can you clarify? Do you mean when he was yelling
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  at staff or maybe just a little bit of clarification
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  on inappropriate Brignac? However you interpret the question when he
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  would turn his rage on you or would act inappropriately?
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  Were their witnesses? Ham? Why don't you say how you're
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  interpreting the question inappropriate? Kellen? I mean either the house
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  staff or other assistants would have witnessed that Brignac. Did
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  you ever spend time with mister Epstein apart from your
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  duties as his assistant? Answer? I had a few times
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  of contact with him when I stopped working for him.
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  He would ask to see me sometimes in New York,
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  and I would see him at the townhouse in New York,
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  and I believe one time in Miami. All Right, folks,
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  that's going to do it for this one. All the
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