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  Because you're going to see Tricia Paytas, right?
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  Anyway, contacts, my bad. OK, so today we are diving into
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  a deeply troubling case that raises serious questions about
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  the official story, law enforcement integrity and
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  systematic accountability. We're going to be reviewing the
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  case of Taron Evans Junior, a 26 year old black male who died
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  under highly suspicious circumstances on January the
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  8th, 2021 in Potsdam, NY. Law enforcement has ruled his
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  death a suicide via Wellbutrin overdose.
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  But as we dig into the details of the case, it looks, you know,
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  it looks to kind of fall apart. So we've spoken with Terron's
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  mother, Jennifer Baxter, and who has tirelessly advocated for
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  transparency and justice in her son's case.
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  And today we're going to watch the interview that we did with
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  her and review the public records in her link tree and
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  examine the inconsistencies laid out in her comprehensive case
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  timeline and the PDF that I created with the help of
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  ChatGPT. But it was it, it helped really
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  map out everything. And I encourage everybody to go
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  to the link tree and follow along with us as we're doing it
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  and and share that out. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I feel so bad I wasn't able to be here for the for the
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  interview, but I'm really excited to be talking about it
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  now. So all the love to her, to
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  Jennifer. We just followed each other on
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  TikTok today. I think so.
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  OK. But yeah, but let's get into it.
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  Yeah, so Taron was reportedly last seen around 10:30 PM on
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  January the 7th, 2021. And according to witness
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  statements from the home of his girlfriend, Crystal Hamilton,
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  and her son Brian Gates, the following morning, Crystal
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  called 911 around 6:30 AM saying she found Tyron unresponsive.
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  It's important to note that Crystal was also significantly
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  older than Tyron. She was in her 40s, I believe
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  her son was like around 22 years old.
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  Yeah. So it's it also adds a layer of
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  dynamics because when you hear Crystal talking, it almost
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  sounds like she was his caregiver.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  As well as in a relationship with him.
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  Let's just see how that goes. But.
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  Yeah. So Tyron, let's see.
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  Tyron was report. Let's see.
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  OK, the question is, was Terron still alive?
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  When emergency personnel arrived, His temperature was
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  recorded at 97.7°F at the hospital, a normal temperature.
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  He also had a stable blood pressure and an O2 saturation
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  during the early minutes of his hospital care.
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  For someone who allegedly ingested over 60 Wellbutrin
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  pills hours earlier, it doesn't really add up.
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  We're also going to talk about how Jennifer was denied critical
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  FOIL requests. Not FOIA, but FOIL, which is
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  Freedom of Information law, and that's in New York.
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  Oh gosh. OK.
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  Yeah. So even after she was named
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  executor of Toronto State and Jennifer did receive a
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  toxicology report with quantitative values like levels
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  of bupropion, gabapentin and THC.
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  And she's also had access to some autopsy photos.
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  However, she was denied the complete supporting documents,
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  including chain of custody or lab metadata for the tech
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  toxicology testing unredacted autopsy documentation.
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  Now if I'm wrong, she can she can correct me.
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  OK, I tried. To interrupt you, I was just
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  looking at you. I was going to say it didn't.
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  This is probably a dumb question, but is Wellbutrin in
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  his system on the toxicology report 'cause it wasn't listed
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  right? There, Yeah, so, so it was in
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  his system, but it said potentially fatal.
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  But if you look at all of the Wellbutrin overdoses, I think
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  only one person has actually died from it, and that person
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  lived for four days before they actually succumbed to their
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  injuries. I can only imagine.
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  I mean, Wellbutrin just seems like an odd way to go.
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  Yeah, it seems like an. Odd way we'll talk about that.
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  And welcome, Forest friend. It's very good to see you, Tammy
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  Crimes. And I know Jennifer was was in
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  the comments earlier. So if you're watching, welcome,
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  Jennifer. Hello everyone.
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  Also Forest front, I'm sorry that our nightbot keeps like
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  telling you to shut up. Basically.
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  We don't know why. We might have to look into that.
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  Yeah, I'll look into that. Sorry.
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  Oopsie. OK, so let's see statements from
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  all 5 responding officers. Only one was released, a full
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  unedited body Cam footage. She was only given 2 minutes and
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  36 seconds, the alleged suicide note which law enforcement
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  claimed had been posted on Facebook.
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  And good to see you, Jennifer. Hi Jennifer, sorry I missed you
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  last time I was working. Yes.
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  So this lack of transparency has forced her to pursue a second
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  autopsy, which may confirm whether Taron died by an
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  overdose or some other means. And so we just want to play
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  Jennifer's interview and then we will get into everything else.
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  And it looks like she's saying that she's still being denied
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  the initial 911 call, which I can't even imagine why.
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  Yeah, maybe we can help you with that.
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  I've been doing FOIA FOIA requests and maybe I can help.
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  Is there FOIA? There's a FOIA and a FOIL in New
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  York? Or does the FOIL take over the?
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  FOIL. I think the FOIL takes over the
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  FOIA so. You've been doing FOIL requests.
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  No, I've been doing FOIA requests, but I have not done
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  anything on Terron's case. Yet.
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  Oh, my bad. I'm sorry.
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  I thought you were doing. That yeah.
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  OK, OK, so so I. Guess we'll just have to learn
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  how to submit a FOIL request. OK.
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  So we're going to watch this and if anybody has any questions or
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  anything like that or if you have any questions, we can stop.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  OK. We're going to go through
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  timeline of events that I came up with through ChatGPT.
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  So June 2020, Taron moves to moves from Syracuse to Potsdam,
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  NY to live with you. Around this time, you begin
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  organizing Black Lives Matter protests in Potsdam and speaking
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  out against local police misconduct.
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  And then Ron joined you in your protest, including calls for
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  justice for the Garrett Phillips case.
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  Right, I actually had started Black Lives Matter, Potsdam, NY
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  June 1st 2020. When?
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  Taran. Arrived in Potsdam around June
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  18th, 2020. OK.
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  And what was the atmosphere like there when he came?
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  Was it contentious or was it just kind of all starting to get
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  contentious? It was.
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  Starting, I mean, there had been a cross burning in Lisbon, NY,
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  graffiti, racist graffiti written in different places
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  throughout the North Country. And yeah, so it was, it was
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  heating up. OK.
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  And what? Compelled you to actually be an
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  activist to do do this. Well, activism I've been doing
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  for a long time. I started here in Syracuse, NY,
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  against gun violence. And actually one of my last
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  protests here before I moved to Potsdam was, you know, for those
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  who have been killed by gun violence.
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  And we actually were shot at twice that day.
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  Yeah. So yeah, I moved up to Potsdam
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  after that. And many people asked why did I
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  move to Potsdam? My foster mother who raised me
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  for 16 years is from there. And so that's why I moved to
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  Potsdam, OK? And what is the racial makeup?
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  Is it I was it like 2% black? Yes, about that.
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  The only thing that brings diversity to the North Country
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  period, are the colleges. OK.
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  Yeah. I, we experienced that here in
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  Missouri as well. There's a lot of colleges and
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  you'd be surprised at some of the small towns that have, you
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  know, a lot of diversity, which you wouldn't expect, but at the
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  same time, you know, dealing with racism and stuff like that
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  even. I.
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  Actually questioned why I moved to Missouri because my husband
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  had had issues. He had grown up in Detroit and
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  moved to a small town in Missouri.
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  And because he was new, they blamed everything on him.
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  And to the point where it was actually very, very terrible
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  stuff that they tried to blame him for.
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  And, and thankfully, you know, with DNA and everything, you
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  know, it was OK. But I've always wondered, you
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  know, why we moved back back here?
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  Because of all of the struggles that he dealt with just living
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  in a small town, a small town atmosphere, that alone.
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  Is hard it it. Is it really is We we went
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  through a lot, you know, 'cause it was myself, my youngest son
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  and three of my grandkids. You.
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  Know and. Every single one of us, every
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  single day that we went out our home, experienced some type of
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  racism. I'm.
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  Sorry to hear that. You know.
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  And it like as far as the because I get the comments from
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  a lot of people on social media and messages and this and that
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  and all, you know, there's, there's a lot of diversity and,
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  and Potsdam and you know, and Saint Lawrence County and this
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  and that. And like I said, it's just the
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  colleges and even when the students live in town in the
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  college houses, they don't interact with the folks like us,
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  you know what I mean, the community members.
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  And so there's, I would say there is probably less than 50
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  black families in Saint Lawrence County, Ohio.
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  Wow. OK.
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  And St. Lawrence County is the largest
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  county in New York State. Oh, really?
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  Yeah. By.
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  By area, OK. OK, wow, that's interesting.
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  OK, so summer fall of 2022 you become an outspoken critic of
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  the local law enforcement because of what, 20?
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  21 OH. 20. 2020 OK, sorry. My timeline's off.
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  OK, so let's see. And it was because of the
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  Garrett Phillips murder. A 12 year old boy had been
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  murdered and Nick Hillary, a black man from Jamaica, was
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  charged with his murder. Correct.
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  Right. So the reason that I started,
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  OK, I'm sorry. So I rewound a little bit to
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  when I really started being an activist, and then I moved to
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  Potsdam. And when I moved to Potsdam
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  around 2012, I saw Justice for Garrett fill up signs all over
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  the place. And so I started talking to
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  community members, asking them what happened to Garrett.
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  And most of the people were too afraid to even talk about
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  Garrett's case. OK, so.
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  I knew, you know, this is really big.
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  This has got to be something really, really big for these
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  people to be scared like this. So I educated myself, you know,
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  there's a two-part documentary called Who Killed Garrett
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  Phillips, along with hundreds of other, you know, videos and and
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  different things on Garrett Phillips case.
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  So in 2019, I believe it was October 2019, I decided I was
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  going to organize a protest and a March for Garrett Phillips and
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  for another child who was killed in the area.
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  Not by like another person intentionally killing them, but
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  because. She was killed.
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  In a car accident and it was because, you know, the trees
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  were not cut down for the people to see the stop sign in that
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  other direction and stuff, you know.
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  So I was going to plan this event.
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  I was planning this event and I messaged through Facebook my
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  contact person up there, which was Potsdam Police Officer
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  Michael Ames, because I had lots of events prior to even October
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  2019, you know? Women's.
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  Rights, you know, about the, the babies that were being taken
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  from their families and put in cages and, you know, bullying
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  and and school shootings and just so much stuff.
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  So I messaged him October 20, excuse me October 19/19/2019 and
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  explained to him that I was going to have this event.
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  Before I say anything about the event, I said I know that you
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  and people in your department are not going to be liking this.
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  But I said, and I hope that nothing happens to me and my
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  family, but I hope or but I'm going to organize this, you
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  know. And so he messaged back and
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  because the protest was to be at the police station, so he
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  messaged back and said to come in and meet with him and Police
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  Chief Mark Murray to discuss the details of the event.
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  So. When I.
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  Got to the police station. Police Chief Mark Murray again
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  was not in his office. So Ames and I sat in the lobby
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  and talked. And when he told me that that is
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  not how he wanted to spend his Saturday, that's when I knew.
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  He's covering. Something up?
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  This is. This is bigger than I even
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  thought it was before, You know, I went into office and he made
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  clear to tell me that he believed Nick Hillary killed
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  Garrett Phillips. And on my way out the door, he
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  said, and I don't even like Jon Jones, which is the deputy
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  sheriff who was supposedly a suspect in Garrett Phillips
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  murder. So after I left there, I, now
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  that was October 2019. Also in October 2019, I started
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  a petition seeking truth and justice for Garrett Phillips.
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  That was to go to the New York State attorney general, to the
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  FBI, to New York State governor. And so, but at that time, I
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  wasn't like, really, really, really on Garrett's case, you
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  know, in the community, you know, it was more online.
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  So on Christmas Day, 2019, mind you, the last time I talked to
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  Officer Ames was when I told him about the protest.
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  So Christmas Day, he messaged me on Facebook and asked if me and
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  the kids were home and said that they had an overabundance of
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  sweets in the office and we're racking their brains on who to
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  give it to. Red flags went up really quick.
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  Yeah. And I was just like, yeah, we're
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  home, but no, thank you. We have plenty.
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  OK, Just talking about that gives me chills again.
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  So not only because of the racism that myself and my
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  children faced, but every Black person that I've spoken to in
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  Potsdam has shared their experiences.
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  Of you know of. Racism and the complaints to the
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  police and the police not doing anything.
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  OK, so after things happened with George Floyd and Brianna
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  Taylor, I was just like, you know what?
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  Something has to happen here in this community, you know,
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  because the police are OK with the racism and so much of the
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  communities throughout Saint Lawrence County, community
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  members are OK with it, You know, so I started Black Lives
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  Matter Positive New York everywhere, you know, the in
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  August, we'll go just a little before I started Black Lives
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  Matter Positive New York. In August 20, 2020, Governor
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  Andrew Cuomo issued Executive Order 2O3 on police reform.
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  So every Police Department throughout New York State had to
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  come up with a plan on how they were going to reform themselves
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  or if they didn't by April, I forgot the date, but April of
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  2021, I believe it was April, then they would not have
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  received their funding. OK, so when I started Black
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  Lives Matter, I started talking about the Garrett Phillips case
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  and how they treated Nick Hillary.
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  You know. And they kept talking about, you
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  know, let's move forward. We we can't move forward because
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  you still have this unsolved case for of this little boy.
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  And at that time, Nick Hillary was had a lawsuit going against
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  certain people throughout Saint Lawrence County in positions of
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  power. So, yeah, I, I immediately was
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  calling them out about Nick, Hillary and Garrett Phillips and
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  about how they treat black people throughout the
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  communities. You know, it's, it's it's just
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  so much. It's a lot, yeah.
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  No. Now when I saw, I saw in the
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  notes that you were actually asked to be on a committee or
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  you were on the committee. OK, tell us about that.
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  So the passing police Reform committee started in October
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  2020. I wasn't asked.
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  Let me just. Correct that when when the
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  governor first put it out, I was asked if I would like to, you
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  know, be on that. If so, just respond.
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  This is something they sent out to a whole bunch of people in
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  the community. OK, The day of the first
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  meeting, the only other black person on the Black Lives Matter
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  Pasta and New York team contacted me and asked why
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  aren't you on the list for the Pasta and Police Reform
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  Committee? I said I don't.
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  Know I'm supposed to be and just minutes after that the people
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  from the news contacted me and asked why am I not on the list.
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  You know. So I show up anyways.
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  Yeah, they weren't too happy, but I showed up, you know, And
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  again, right from the beginning, I brought up Garrett Phillips
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  case, how they treated Nick Hillary, you know, how they
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  don't do anything when we can take our complaints to the
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  police about, you know, the harassment we're going through,
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  you know, the physical things that my son and my grandchildren
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  were going through, you know, So, yeah, I definitely was
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  calling them out. You know, I resigned from the
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  Potsdam Police Reform Committee in December 2020, OK?
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  Because I, and on the day that I resigned, we were on a Zoom a
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  lot on Facebook. It, it was just out there for
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  everybody to see. And one of the committee
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  members, she said, well, we have Black Lives Matter in this
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  bubble and the police in this bubble and the police, their
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  lives are being threatened. And da, da, da, da.
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  I'm just like, hold on. You know, first of all, Black
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  Lives Matter Possum New York has absolutely nothing to do with
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  threatening anybody, let alone police.
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  You know, and you know, Mr. Youngblood and I were the only
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  two black members on the committee and we just, we
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  decided that it was best for us to resign for.
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  Our own. Safety at that point.
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  That was December 2020. On January 7th, 2021, I got an
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  e-mail from one of the committee members, and that e-mail was to
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  everybody on the committee, including Potsdam Police Chief
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  Mark Murray. And the person sending the
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  e-mail was requesting that I lead the Potsdam Police Reform
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  Committee. And she stated that anything
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  less than that with the current leadership, she would also
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  resign. OK.
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  And I responded back on that same morning, calling out past
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  and Police Chief Mark Murray and his racism and and other things.
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  And by that night of January 7th, excuse me, 2021, the Saint
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  Lawrence County Sheriff's had a file opened on my son, Taron
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  Evans Junior, who they never had in their custody, never had
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  contact with him prior to his death on January 8th, 2020.
• 28:27
  So yeah. I remember seeing that, so and
• 28:34
  we'll get into that a little bit later when we actually get into
• 28:37
  all of the crime, the stuff that you found out later on.
• 28:42
  But OK, so let's see. In my notes it says Tyron spent
• 28:48
  January 7th, 2021. The evening Tyron spends the
• 28:52
  night at Crystal's home in Potsdam, which she shares with
• 28:57
  her adult son Brian Gates. Now, how old is Brian?
• 29:01
  So I believe Brian was about 22 maybe at the time.
• 29:06
  OK, yeah, 2223. He's younger than Tyron, so.
• 29:11
  Crystal would have been in her 40s.
• 29:14
  Yes, OK. Yeah.
• 29:16
  So there was a big age discrepancy, yeah.
• 29:19
  Definitely, definitely. Now.
• 29:22
  Yes, it is said Crystal says that Taron stayed the night at
• 29:27
  her house. I've been told by community
• 29:30
  members that there was a house full of people on the night of
• 29:33
  January 7th. OK, you know my question is if
• 29:39
  he if they were not on and off dating, how did he end up back
• 29:43
  there? You know.
• 29:45
  OK, so. Let's get into that.
• 29:47
  Let's just get into their relationship because I remember
• 29:52
  seeing up here on the, I believe it was the video that you have
• 30:00
  on your link tree where she's being interview.
• 30:04
  Actually, it's not a video, it's audio, I believe, where she's
• 30:07
  being interviewed and she says some really weird things.
• 30:14
  So let's see. So let's get into how they got
• 30:24
  together first. What was their relationship
• 30:27
  like? I want to know that so we can
• 30:29
  kind of build on that. OK, so I know that they met in
• 30:35
  September 2020. Taron and I had a lunch date one
• 30:40
  day and he told me I met this woman, her name is Crystal.
• 30:45
  She's just different though, 'cause she she's giving me all
• 30:48
  these keys. You drive this car, this car,
• 30:50
  this car, she's buying me all this stuff, giving me all this
• 30:52
  money. He said that's not what I want,
• 30:55
  I just want a good woman. So he said.
• 30:58
  But the weird thing is she's got police that come to her house,
• 31:03
  you know, and a judge and I that threw something up for me.
• 31:08
  And I wasn't thinking police informant, you know, and
• 31:12
  apparently he wasn't. But I was just like, listen,
• 31:15
  just be careful, man. These people know what I do.
• 31:18
  They, they don't like us here, you know, just be careful.
• 31:22
  You know. And next thing I hear about him
• 31:27
  and Crystal is they broke up and in his words was that Bea is
• 31:30
  crazy and said she was going to kill me.
• 31:33
  OK, you know, so where? Was Taron living at that time?
• 31:37
  So. Taron was between my house and
• 31:40
  other friends, females that he was dealing with OK.
• 31:46
  OK. I just wanted to make sure,
• 31:48
  yeah. Because I had people that
• 31:51
  contacted me who read posts that Crystal had made, like this long
• 31:56
  eulogy and talking about from the moment they met until the
• 32:00
  time he died, they were together and this and that.
• 32:03
  And people were contacting me like, no, him and I were, you
• 32:07
  know, we're together in October and, you know, just went on.
• 32:11
  And I'm like, OK, well, I mean, I'm not happy to hear all that,
• 32:15
  but I'm happy to hear that, you know?
• 32:16
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 32:19
  You. Know.
• 32:20
  It's so it, it was not good. Definitely wasn't good.
• 32:24
  You know, even in the statement that her son Brian Gates gave to
• 32:31
  the same cop that I was calling out before Tehran's death,
• 32:35
  Deputy Sheriff John Jones, he said that his mother and Tehran
• 32:41
  were up. He heard Tehran and his mother
• 32:44
  up arguing around 12:00 AM. You know, so that tells me, you
• 32:50
  know, again, it, it wasn't healthy.
• 32:54
  OK, so yeah, and she is, I have looked at your link tree and
• 33:04
  some of the messages and about the trap house and how it's cute
• 33:08
  and funny and all of that. She definitely was living a
• 33:13
  lifestyle that was not conducive to a healthy a living situation
• 33:19
  at best. So I did hear you say that
• 33:26
  Tehran was actually Muslim or trying to convert to.
• 33:31
  Yeah, he was. He was studying it, OK.
• 33:34
  So so did that. Did he ever encounter any issues
• 33:41
  with that in the community? Oh, not that I know of, no.
• 33:47
  Taran. Taran wasn't like like he
• 33:50
  wasn't. He'd come out in the community
• 33:53
  to protest. He didn't go out in the
• 33:55
  community to hang out and be out on the streets.
• 33:57
  You know what I mean? On his own, he wasn't.
• 34:00
  That wasn't Taran. OK, I just.
• 34:02
  Didn't know if you know, you know, people are weird.
• 34:10
  OK, let's see. So we're just going to she was
• 34:16
  saying some weird things about you in specifically, if I can
• 34:21
  find where I see it, she was talking about how and she
• 34:27
  actually even said something to the effect that Taron had been
• 34:31
  in a mental health place or something like that.
• 34:35
  Yes, so apparently when they first met she she says that he
• 34:42
  went to the doctor for mental health issues, a mental health
• 34:48
  crisis. OK.
• 34:50
  And I believe it is in there for September.
• 34:53
  But then I find out that she pretty much meets him in a whole
• 35:01
  different county, like hours away and it's supposed to be for
• 35:08
  mental health issues. And then he's once he's
• 35:12
  discharged, which is the same day because they didn't like,
• 35:16
  you know, keep him or anything. Then he supposedly goes back to
• 35:21
  her house. So I'm just, it just sounds
• 35:25
  really. So they met at at a.
• 35:30
  No, I, no, no, no. Shortly after they met is when
• 35:35
  supposedly then then all of a sudden he had to go for a mental
• 35:39
  health crisis. Oh, OK.
• 35:41
  Because the way I read it and the way I took it was, is that
• 35:44
  she had said that before they had even met, he had already
• 35:49
  been in a mental health crisis. And OK, so and she also said
• 35:54
  something to the effect that you and Taron were having a lot of
• 35:58
  issues and that you had left Taron to be with your husband
• 36:03
  and that your husband had stabbed him or something like
• 36:05
  that. What is that about?
• 36:07
  So what that is about is, first of all, I'm not married, OK?
• 36:14
  I was seeing somebody at the time and when Taron came to home
• 36:21
  Potsdam, him and my boyfriend had an issue.
• 36:26
  And at that time I told Taron you need to leave, OK?
• 36:32
  He came back with my my daughter, which she wasn't
• 36:37
  supposed to be there either. The rule was if I'm not here,
• 36:41
  then you can't come here. And when I'm here, you can come
• 36:44
  here, OK? Because I didn't want any
• 36:46
  problems, you know. So when I'm out at Trayanna
• 36:51
  Somerville's memorial, who was a black woman that was killed in
• 36:55
  Governor, New York, my daughter and my son show up at my house.
• 37:02
  My boyfriend at the time was watching my son, my youngest son
• 37:07
  and my grandchildren. So Taron, I, they had a plan.
• 37:15
  My daughter and my son had a plan.
• 37:17
  And my daughter's plan was to get her kids.
• 37:20
  OK, so Taran distracts my boyfriend while my daughter's
• 37:26
  trying to get the kids. Now both Taran ended up getting
• 37:31
  stabbed. OK, I kick my boyfriend out.
• 37:35
  Oh wow. Taran.
• 37:36
  Says he didn't mean to stab me. Mom, he didn't go like this and
• 37:40
  try to stab me. I jumped at him and he went like
• 37:42
  this and that's how he caught me.
• 37:44
  OK, so. And he was upset with me because
• 37:48
  I kicked it, kicked him to the curb.
• 37:50
  Like, I don't care. You know, my opinion.
• 37:53
  You shouldn't have a freaking knife.
• 37:54
  Be a man and fight it out, you know?
• 37:56
  And so that was the end of that, you know?
• 38:00
  But that's what happened there, OK?
• 38:04
  OK. So that makes more sense because
• 38:06
  I was just like, that's just like out of left field, right?
• 38:10
  And then, and then her son, on his statement, said Taron
• 38:15
  stabbed himself. On his statement.
• 38:18
  That he gave to John Jones. OK.
• 38:21
  I must have missed that one. So there was a.
• 38:24
  Post that Taron had made, somebody forwarded it to me
• 38:27
  where right after the situation, it couldn't have been long.
• 38:32
  It was kind of healed up. So Taron made a post and he said
• 38:36
  something like, you know, some people are are robbed of life,
• 38:41
  but it didn't happen to me. You know, God wanted I'm a
• 38:46
  keeper for God or something like that, you know?
• 38:48
  And so I'm just like, OK, you know, that's those words are not
• 38:53
  words of somebody who is like, I want to kill myself, you know
• 38:57
  what I'm saying? So yeah, that that, that whole
• 39:03
  thing, they twisted the way it happened, you know, and, and
• 39:08
  stuff like that, OK. So she also talked about how he
• 39:12
  was isolated and that he it was basically like she was
• 39:19
  administering his medicine or something like that.
• 39:22
  It it almost feels like that. It's, you know, I met someone at
• 39:28
  the very first protest after Taran's death.
• 39:32
  And this young lady, she literally was in the back of the
• 39:34
  crowd. She came up to the front crying,
• 39:37
  saying I'm so you know, I'm sorry.
• 39:42
  What happened to your son? My father almost didn't make it
• 39:46
  out. Pretty much that.
• 39:47
  Crystal brainwashed him, filled him with drugs, all kinds of
• 39:52
  different drugs and almost killed him.
• 39:57
  OK. You know, and she is, and I've
• 40:00
  heard so many stories and it's sad because.
• 40:04
  People who have known her all her life and told me stories
• 40:08
  were crying while they were telling me their experiences
• 40:11
  with her. You know, she's very
• 40:13
  manipulating, very controlling, you know, very dangerous, you
• 40:19
  know, So I can't, I, I can't even imagine, you know, what was
• 40:24
  said or I, I just can't even imagine.
• 40:28
  No, yeah. I mean, it just seems like a so
• 40:34
  when I was talking about it seemed like she was
• 40:36
  administering his, his medicine. It's almost like.
• 40:42
  From. Everything that I I saw, it
• 40:45
  seemed like she was like in control of his entire life.
• 40:49
  That's what it seems like and did.
• 40:51
  She own his phone as well, she claimed.
• 40:54
  She bought it for him. She claimed that everything he
• 40:57
  he owned that he had, she bought for him.
• 41:01
  OK, which is not true because I went shopping with Tyrone, you
• 41:06
  know, his phone, for instance, they being the police nor the
• 41:15
  sheriff's to They didn't take his phone.
• 41:18
  They didn't take her phone. They didn't take Brian's phone.
• 41:20
  They didn't even look at the phones.
• 41:24
  Nothing. When I requested, excuse me,
• 41:27
  Tyrone's belongings. The.
• 41:31
  Sheriff's I requested it, she denied it.
• 41:33
  The sheriff's went requested it and she no, I'm not giving
• 41:37
  anything. And they were just like, OK.
• 41:40
  Yeah, I've seen a lot it did. Seem that.
• 41:45
  And that's exactly the words people said.
• 41:46
  She's very, very controlling, Yeah.
• 41:49
  That's just, that was something that I, I feel like since he
• 41:53
  was, what, 26 and she was in her 40s, you know, it was more like
• 41:58
  a mothering type situation or something like that, or a
• 42:04
  manipulation, Yeah. Manipulated.
• 42:07
  You know, I feel like it's the only reason she got with him in
• 42:10
  the 1st place is because the police stared her that way.
• 42:13
  The police said this is what we're going to do, OK?
• 42:16
  And and why? Why do?
• 42:18
  You think that? I mean, is there anything that
• 42:21
  makes you say that? Is there anything?
• 42:25
  First of all, the fact that, excuse me, the fact that Garrett
• 42:29
  Phillips case is still being covered up by the very people
• 42:33
  that I was calling out. Yeah, they retaliated against
• 42:37
  me, you know, for the simple fact that I'm a black woman.
• 42:43
  He's a black man, you know, mostly white community calling
• 42:47
  out the racists in that community.
• 42:50
  Yeah, it's a hate crime, you know, Crystal.
• 42:56
  So I don't know if you saw the post on September 16th, I think
• 43:00
  it was, where she made a post on Facebook that said something
• 43:03
  like, even if I didn't do it, they say I did.
• 43:06
  I probably did, though. Yeah.
• 43:07
  Oh. My.
• 43:09
  God so. The day before that post, a guy
• 43:13
  named Jerry Andrews Junior made a Facebook post and he said
• 43:18
  something like if you think Potsdam is a racist place then
• 43:21
  you shouldn't be here and blah blah blah blah blah.
• 43:23
  OK, now, if Tehran's murder was not because of racism, partly
• 43:30
  because of racism, then why did Crystal throw a private memorial
• 43:35
  at her home that she invited none of his friends, friends or
• 43:38
  family to? But she invited Jerry Andrews
• 43:42
  Junior, the very person who had a problem with me and Tehran
• 43:45
  protesting against racism in Potsdam.
• 43:49
  And on the memorial stand in her home was a poop emoji with big
• 43:55
  red lips and a gorilla. Oh my.
• 43:59
  Oh wow. OK.
• 44:00
  I think I remember seeing something about that.
• 44:05
  Yeah, sorry. I I've, when we first got when
• 44:10
  we first got in touch with each other, I had really looked at
• 44:13
  the case and then things have happened since then.
• 44:16
  So I'm kind of refreshing myself it's.
• 44:19
  A lie. It's so much wow, I.
• 44:21
  I hate to hear that. I really hate to hear that.
• 44:25
  So it's. Retaliation and racism, OK.
• 44:29
  So let's see on it says. What happened in the late night
• 44:37
  hours remains unclear, but official records later revealed
• 44:41
  A shockingly premature interview file timestamp.
• 44:47
  Can you talk about that? The timestamp of so he he passed
• 44:52
  away, but the timestamp is actually 8 hours before he
• 44:55
  passed away. Yes.
• 44:58
  So after Taran's death, I I knew something was wrong.
• 45:06
  I put foil request in. The first thing I got was a body
• 45:12
  Cam video from the scene from one of the two police officers
• 45:18
  that arrived first on scene. They were there almost an hour
• 45:22
  and that body Cam video was redacted down to two minutes and
• 45:25
  36 seconds. Oh.
• 45:27
  Wow, yeah. So I kept putting in FOIL
• 45:33
  requests to get the rest of the stuff from the sheriff's, and
• 45:38
  they kept denying me things. Just kept denying.
• 45:41
  Kept denying. So it.
• 45:43
  Wasn't until March. 20. 23 was it 23 I think or 24?
• 45:52
  Jeez, it was quite a while after they finally agreed to hand
• 45:57
  stuff over to me, but they didn't hand it to me.
• 46:01
  I had to go sit down with the County Attorney for him to give
• 46:06
  it to me. And one of the things that he
• 46:10
  gave me was AUSB. And on that was 2 sound only
• 46:14
  interviews and a bunch of photos from all all this from the
• 46:19
  sheriff's. So it, it took me after I got
• 46:23
  back to Syracuse, it took me almost a month to be honest with
• 46:27
  you before I was like, OK, I'm ready to hear this, you know,
• 46:32
  see whatever. So I go to the library, I put
• 46:35
  the USB in there and that's when I realized, OK, this is just
• 46:40
  sound only interview, like what you know, So I listen to it and
• 46:47
  I click out of it and I'm sitting back just absorbing what
• 46:49
  I just listened to. And I look at the screen and
• 46:52
  that that sound only interview was in a file dated January
• 46:56
  7/20/21, 10:41 PM. And that's like 8 hours before
• 47:02
  the 911 call even went in. So there's no reason for the
• 47:08
  Saint Lawrence County Sheriff's to have a file opened on a
• 47:11
  person that they never had contact with in their life, in
• 47:15
  that person's life. Yeah, very suspicious, yeah.
• 47:21
  Definitely. And I could see if I mean, I
• 47:25
  still couldn't see it, you know, but I should have received
• 47:29
  something in that file dated January 7th, 2021.
• 47:33
  I didn't. All I received was the sound
• 47:35
  only interview dated January, verbally dated by Saint Lawrence
• 47:39
  County Sheriff Mccarger as January 8th, 2021.
• 47:44
  But the. Metadata says otherwise, right?
• 47:47
  OK. And no one's been able to ever
• 47:49
  give you? Nope, the sheriff won't talk to
• 47:53
  me at all. And when the Saint Lawrence
• 47:56
  County attorney did answer my call, no my e-mail, he said that
• 48:04
  they told him they've never that they had no contact with him and
• 48:10
  that was it. Like they couldn't give me any a
• 48:12
  reason as to why they would have a file open on my son.
• 48:17
  Pride was death. Yeah, and metadata.
• 48:20
  Metadata doesn't lie as far as I know.
• 48:23
  So yeah, it's very suspicious. OK so it's on January the 8th
• 48:30
  2021 at 649 AM 911 call is placed from Crystals residence
• 48:36
  reporting that Taron is unresponsive and unconscious
• 48:40
  according to the dispatcher logs as later summarized by you.
• 48:46
  Within minutes Crystal was heard screaming he is dead and
• 48:50
  mentioned finding pill bottles near him.
• 48:53
  She claimed Taron must have overdosed on Wellbutrin and
• 48:56
  antidepressant by taking the an entire prescription.
• 48:59
  Crystal said she awoke to find Taron looking weird or not
• 49:02
  breathing and that two Bill 2 pill bottles were empty beside
• 49:06
  him. But I also remember her saying
• 49:08
  something about a makeup bag as well.
• 49:12
  Yeah, so she kind of, she gave different stories, you know, And
• 49:18
  so the one with the makeup bag, she said that she had got up,
• 49:23
  went in the kitchen to make coffee, returned to the bedroom
• 49:27
  to get her makeup bag to go to the bathroom and get ready.
• 49:32
  But as she went back in to get her makeup bag, that's when she
• 49:35
  realized something was wrong with Taron.
• 49:38
  But if you look at the the body Cam, most people don't haven't
• 49:45
  looked at things like I've looked at things, you know, over
• 49:49
  the past four years. But you can see when the when
• 49:53
  Lavoie walks in and goes past the bathroom, you can see the
• 49:57
  makeup bag in the bathroom on the counter.
• 50:00
  Oh, wow. You know, so it's like, come on,
• 50:04
  you know? Yeah, so.
• 50:08
  And then the thing too about the pills.
• 50:10
  OK, SO1 bottle was supposed to be hers, and 1 bottle was
• 50:13
  supposed to be his. Now, a doctor that she knew
• 50:17
  apparently is the same doctor that prescribed her Anteron's
• 50:22
  medication on the. Same day, right?
• 50:25
  I think it. Was in less than a week of each
• 50:27
  other, Yeah. So yeah.
• 50:31
  And then, I don't know if it's normal procedure or not, but
• 50:35
  this doctor had met Taron one time to establish care.
• 50:40
  He prescribed him that medication and then he was with
• 50:44
  the coroner the day Taron died. He was attending physician.
• 50:48
  Really. Yeah.
• 50:50
  Oh, that doesn't. Sound good?
• 50:55
  Yeah, that's, that's not cool. OK, so at by 6:56 AM, two POTS
• 51:02
  Potsdam Village police officers Jared Lavoie and Officer Dakota
• 51:06
  Stevenson arrive at the scene. Crystal's home and Taron was
• 51:12
  found lying in bed on his back and diagonally across the bed.
• 51:16
  His eyes and mouth were reportedly open and his body was
• 51:19
  still warm to the touch. Crystal was on the bed
• 51:22
  attempting chest compressions, though observers noted that she
• 51:25
  was 2 feet away and performing CPR effectively through a
• 51:29
  blanket and a pillow on top of Taron.
• 51:32
  Correct. She claims she was given chest
• 51:35
  compressions but it doesn't look like she was at all.
• 51:38
  His body definitely looks like it was moved to the bed.
• 51:43
  She wasn't on the bed, she was on the side of the bed leaning
• 51:48
  over. But in between her and Taron was
• 51:51
  a pillow. I believe that's what she took
• 51:55
  to Ron's life. She took him out with that
• 51:58
  pillow. You know, I, I, I think whatever
• 52:00
  they did to him the night before didn't go as they planned.
• 52:04
  And she finished the job the morning of January 8th, 2021.
• 52:10
  OK. So now they they did try to do
• 52:13
  CPR and, well, the yeah, Officer Lavoie did not remove Tyron off
• 52:21
  of the bed to a hard surface. It shows that he didn't really
• 52:26
  check for a pulse. He lifted up Tyron's arms by the
• 52:29
  sleeve and then dropped and then began performing chest
• 52:35
  compressions on the mattress. But he didn't do any breath
• 52:37
  compressions, correct? Or.
• 52:40
  Breath. And then he also.
• 52:42
  There was a flashlight underneath his hand on top of
• 52:45
  Tyron's chest. Yeah.
• 52:46
  It, it looks like it's either the phone or the flashlight.
• 52:50
  It's a light, some sort of light that it's either from a phone or
• 52:54
  flashlight that he had in his hand.
• 52:56
  But you can tell like when he's doing 'cause it's kind of
• 52:59
  shining on his face. So OK.
• 53:02
  Now I remember seeing some of those, some of that footage, Is
• 53:08
  that on? It's in my link tree.
• 53:11
  OK, it is. On your link tree.
• 53:13
  OK, for some reason I must have missed that one thing.
• 53:18
  Yeah. It it says Gerald Lavoie's body
• 53:21
  Cam OK. Maybe I did see it in OK, never
• 53:25
  mind, That's OK. But out of five, that's OK.
• 53:29
  But out of five responding officers, that's the only body
• 53:33
  Cam video I got from the scene. Everybody else says they didn't
• 53:36
  have body Cam, OK. Now they also gave him Narcan.
• 53:41
  They gave him, yeah, like 5 doses of Narcan plus an EpiPen
• 53:47
  of some sort or epinephrine, yeah.
• 53:50
  I think it's epinephrine, yeah, an.
• 53:52
  EpiPen basically so and from from what I read it sounds like
• 53:58
  Taron wasn't did he? Was he actually dead when he got
• 54:04
  to the hospital? So when I finally got a response
• 54:11
  from the doctors, the team, the people that were in there, they
• 54:16
  said yes, he was dead. When he got.
• 54:18
  There. So I said, OK, so then why?
• 54:25
  Why do you put that? He died at the hospital time of
• 54:28
  death 755. And they said, well, they said,
• 54:32
  well, because he was so young, we do everything we can, even
• 54:36
  though we know he was pretty much gone there.
• 54:39
  We're going to do, we have to do whatever we can do to save us,
• 54:42
  you know, try to bring him back, you know, this and that.
• 54:44
  So I'm like, all right, thank, thanks for trying, you know, but
• 54:51
  I don't believe that they've really, really, really tried,
• 54:55
  you know, And then it's like Crystal was there, but there was
• 55:00
  really no crystal claims. There was no conversation, you
• 55:04
  know, and on the nurses note, it says that I don't know that was
• 55:11
  in there. That's in the link tree too.
• 55:14
  But there's one paper that has just stuff written on it.
• 55:17
  You can tell us the nurse or somebody just writing things
• 55:19
  down and I can't remember the name of it at this moment, but
• 55:24
  there was a pill that was found there.
• 55:27
  There was. Yeah.
• 55:29
  It doesn't say where. If it was found on Tehran, it
• 55:31
  was found on the floor. If it was found on the bed it it
• 55:35
  was a pill and it wasn't no Wellbutrin and it was.
• 55:42
  Never identified it's. It's on that paper.
• 55:45
  I can't think of what it's called, but it's on there.
• 55:47
  I'll look. In Yeah.
• 55:49
  And that's that's in there too, OK.
• 55:52
  So, but I was concerned or I was confused I guess, because it
• 55:55
  says that he arrived at Canton Potsdam Hospital at 7:37 AM with
• 56:01
  a faint pulse restored oxygen saturation in the low 90s.
• 56:06
  See they? Exactly.
• 56:08
  It like when, like I said, when I talked to that team, the
• 56:12
  people who actually were caring for him, he was gone and they
• 56:16
  let me know he was gone. So I don't get where they get
• 56:19
  all that. And even with the EMTs, it's at
• 56:22
  one point says that. Oh my gosh.
• 56:27
  See, I shouldn't have the paperwork in front of me, but it
• 56:29
  says that pretty much he was unconscious, he was not alert,
• 56:33
  he was this and that, and then it says he was alert.
• 56:36
  Yeah. And there was.
• 56:37
  No point. From the time that the police
• 56:41
  got there to the time that he got to the hospital and they
• 56:44
  called his Tod, there was not a point at all that he was alert
• 56:47
  or conscious. Yeah, this whole, I mean, the
• 56:51
  whole reporting of it is just so muddled and confusing and
• 56:57
  obviously for reasons I'm sure. So let's see.
• 57:07
  So instead of treating Crystal's home as a potential crime scene,
• 57:10
  officers seem to accept the overdose narrative.
• 57:13
  One of the two pill bottles was taken to Potsdam PD at the house
• 57:21
  or from the house at around 7:50.
• 57:23
  However, Crystal herself retained at least one bottle,
• 57:28
  only handing it over later. At about 8:10 AM, Crystal
• 57:32
  arrived at the hospital and gave an empty bottle of Wellbutrin to
• 57:35
  the sheriff's deputy. Then, around 8:30 AM, she went
• 57:38
  to the Potsdam police station and turned into Ron's own
• 57:41
  bottle. Also reported an empty so they
• 57:46
  didn't do any collection at the scene.
• 57:48
  No evidence collection at all, No.
• 57:51
  No, all they did was take the sheriffs took pictures.
• 57:55
  OK, so when my father committed suicide, as I told you earlier,
• 58:01
  my husband took myself and my children out of the home before
• 58:07
  we actually found out what happened.
• 58:09
  He, my son, my, my 4 year old son found my dad and, but and it
• 58:16
  was a gunshot. So it was bad.
• 58:19
  But the police were so intrigued that my husband took us out of
• 58:25
  the home that they immediately, they picked us up from Denny's,
• 58:29
  my my children and I and took us to the police station and
• 58:33
  interrogated us. And, you know, and they, and
• 58:38
  they actually made my husband stay in the county for until
• 58:42
  later on that night when we had already left because they wanted
• 58:46
  to sure up that, you know, he didn't do anything to my dad.
• 58:50
  So and then we were immediately given the autopsy reports, the
• 58:56
  photos, everything. I didn't even ask for them.
• 58:59
  I didn't request them or anything.
• 59:00
  We were just giving them and so I hate the fact that.
• 59:08
  That when? Suicide or supposed suicides or
• 59:11
  suspected suicides happen that they don't collect evidence,
• 59:15
  they don't do all these things because people are going to
• 59:21
  wonder and they're always going to have that hole inside them
• 59:27
  not knowing. And if we could be proactive
• 59:31
  and, and help people out, it would be so much better.
• 59:35
  And I'm just so sorry that they didn't do that for you.
• 59:38
  Thank you. They it's yeah, they definitely
• 59:41
  did not secure the scene because you can tell that things have
• 59:47
  been moved from the time that the police were came and the
• 59:51
  time that the sheriff's came. For instance, there's a shelf
• 59:56
  above her vanity and there's AQ tip box up there.
• 1:00:02
  When the police are there, it's straight.
• 1:00:06
  When the sheriff's in the photo, it's hanging halfway off the
• 1:00:11
  shelf and the body Cam video. The little.
• 1:00:17
  Stand next to the bed. There's nothing in front of the
• 1:00:20
  bed. But in the sheriff's photos now,
• 1:00:23
  Taron's slippers are in front of the bed.
• 1:00:25
  The laptop is in front of the bed, you know, So yeah, they,
• 1:00:31
  they didn't. In fact, like I said, they they
• 1:00:34
  planned it, Yeah. And.
• 1:00:35
  They they killed my son and are doing everything they have to do
• 1:00:41
  to keep it covered up. Yeah, and I'm not even sure.
• 1:00:44
  I mean, we could go through all of these points because I don't
• 1:00:48
  want to take you through all of them.
• 1:00:50
  But basically I just, you know, I believe you.
• 1:00:54
  I believe that Tehran was not suicidal and and I believe that
• 1:00:58
  there is a cover up going on, but I don't know what we can do
• 1:01:03
  to help you other than making a lot of noise.
• 1:01:06
  And that's what I'm going to try to do.
• 1:01:09
  And I have like I told you in the e-mail, I have a friend
• 1:01:14
  who's a coroner here and I have forwarded everything I have from
• 1:01:19
  the link tree. But if you have extra stuff that
• 1:01:22
  you want to e-mail me that I can send him just to look at it and
• 1:01:27
  make his own assessment, I can't promise anything, but I can.
• 1:01:31
  He has said that he would be willing to look at cases that I
• 1:01:36
  am curious about and that he will give his honest assessment.
• 1:01:40
  And he has a medical examiner or not a medical examiner, but he
• 1:01:43
  has a medical doctor that works with him in order to, you know,
• 1:01:48
  satisfy all of the requirements and everything.
• 1:01:51
  So yeah, I, I want, I want at least somebody to look at it and
• 1:01:58
  give another opinion, even if it's the same opinion, you know,
• 1:02:02
  just their just their opinion, honest opinion about the whole
• 1:02:04
  situation, right? Thank you.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah, I what else can we do? I mean, I know this all has to
• 1:02:14
  do, you know, with police corruption basically at the end
• 1:02:18
  of the day, because it started with Garrett Phillips and Nick
• 1:02:22
  Hillary and extended to you and your family because of your
• 1:02:26
  passion to see justice and to see reform.
• 1:02:33
  And So what can we do to help you?
• 1:02:38
  So this here, you know, give me the opportunity to be on here
• 1:02:42
  and share to Ron's story, sharing the link tree, because
• 1:02:49
  that's where the information is AT.
• 1:02:51
  And that gives everybody that looks at it the opportunity to
• 1:02:55
  come up with what they think, what they believe, you know, and
• 1:03:00
  what's obvious, you know, noise, like you said, making noise is
• 1:03:06
  the biggest thing we can do. And and that's whether it's
• 1:03:09
  emailing, calling, literally writing, you know, showing up at
• 1:03:16
  protests, those are the things that that we can do.
• 1:03:21
  You know, physical presence is very, very important at these
• 1:03:27
  protests, in March marches because.
• 1:03:32
  The. Community does not show up up
• 1:03:35
  there. There may be about 5 people, if
• 1:03:39
  that and these police are laughing at us.
• 1:03:43
  The. Sheriff who investigated Taran's
• 1:03:47
  death. When I was protesting outside
• 1:03:50
  the Saint Lawrence County District Attorney's Office, he
• 1:03:52
  approached us, and when I confronted him about Taran's
• 1:03:56
  death, he said he wasn't aware of the case.
• 1:03:59
  Oh wow. You know, so like, they really
• 1:04:03
  are. First of all, I'm a black woman.
• 1:04:06
  They stole my black son, and they don't want to hear my
• 1:04:08
  voice. So it's important that white
• 1:04:12
  people especially show up, you know, speak up, make those
• 1:04:16
  calls, those emails, write those letters, you know, and to
• 1:04:21
  continuously share to Ron's story on all platforms, you
• 1:04:26
  know, even writing the new, the news outlets up throughout New
• 1:04:30
  York State. You know, that's something I've
• 1:04:33
  been doing too, is not only just emailing and and calling and
• 1:04:38
  writing the news stations just in general, but every person
• 1:04:45
  that I can think of or ever see on any platform that is ever
• 1:04:48
  reported on. Garrett Phillips Case.
• 1:04:51
  I. Contact them and let them know
• 1:04:53
  about Taron and how it connects to Garrett Phillips.
• 1:04:57
  You. Know so that because it does all
• 1:05:00
  connect. Have you reached?
• 1:05:01
  Out to Ken Mains, he did a video on Garrett Phillips.
• 1:05:05
  I don't think I've heard that name, is he on YouTube?
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, Ken. Mains from Unsolved no more.
• 1:05:11
  He's a call, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  I've heard that one, yeah. He's, he's actually, he did a
• 1:05:18
  video for me on a cold case from my hometown, a girl that passed
• 1:05:24
  away. So, so he's a, he's a good
• 1:05:27
  resource. Just reach out to him.
• 1:05:29
  You know, it's just. E-mail me his name and stuff,
• 1:05:32
  yeah. Yeah, I definitely will.
• 1:05:34
  So is there anything that you want to communicate to us other
• 1:05:38
  than, you know, getting out there and doing things?
• 1:05:40
  Is there anything you want to kind of tie up and tell us about
• 1:05:44
  this whole thing? Well, Taron.
• 1:05:48
  Evans, Junior, Garrett, Phillips, Nick Hillary All
• 1:05:53
  deserve justice. The system.
• 1:05:57
  Has to change. It's not broken.
• 1:06:01
  It is doing exactly what it was created to do.
• 1:06:04
  Target murder, incarcerate, brutalize black and brown
• 1:06:10
  people, a message to white people.
• 1:06:16
  Stand up and speak up. Stop letting your Co workers,
• 1:06:22
  your family members, you know, your neighbors, etcetera.
• 1:06:28
  Continue this behavior and and you stand.
• 1:06:31
  I feel like this. I feel like if, if, if you stand
• 1:06:34
  by and you allow a racist to be a racist, you're just as bad as
• 1:06:38
  a cop that's killing people and you're just a bystander.
• 1:06:43
  The the other cops are just bystanders.
• 1:06:45
  It's it's all just as bad. So to speak up against the wrong
• 1:06:51
  is necessary and to I understand people's fear.
• 1:06:59
  But fear. Is what these type of people
• 1:07:03
  feed on. How?
• 1:07:04
  They keep you silent and. It it's.
• 1:07:06
  It's allowing. Them to do more and more and
• 1:07:08
  more and more every day. It's getting worse, you know,
• 1:07:13
  and we cannot sit back and just allow it to happen, family
• 1:07:17
  members or not, you know. So I guess the most important
• 1:07:22
  thing is speak up, speak up against it.
• 1:07:25
  Don't say I'm not a racist, I hate racism, but you don't say
• 1:07:29
  anything to stop it from those who you're around you.
• 1:07:35
  Know. On a daily basis.
• 1:07:36
  So speaking up is very, very, very important.
• 1:07:41
  You know, speaking up is very, very important.
• 1:07:47
  And protecting black lives, you know, that was another thing,
• 1:07:51
  you know. There was just.
• 1:07:54
  So many people that was like, we'll do anything to help you,
• 1:07:57
  anything to protect black lives. But then when my son was
• 1:08:01
  murdered, everybody was gone. I'm like y'all out here
• 1:08:05
  protesting for people who were murdered that don't even live in
• 1:08:09
  this state. But when?
• 1:08:11
  People right here in this community are murdered.
• 1:08:15
  They they're silent because they're afraid.
• 1:08:18
  You. Know that that fear is what's
• 1:08:21
  allowing them to continue their racist behaviors and misconduct
• 1:08:25
  and corruption. Yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:08:28
  I totally agree. It is.
• 1:08:31
  It's a sad situation. And like I told you before,
• 1:08:35
  growing up in a military town, I I didn't experience all of that.
• 1:08:40
  And so only now as an adult have I ever even really seen racism
• 1:08:47
  because I know I'm white and I'm not saying racism towards me or
• 1:08:51
  anything like that. I'm just in general racism at
• 1:08:53
  all. You know, it wasn't around me.
• 1:08:56
  So as an adult now seeing it, it's just, it flabbergasts me
• 1:09:00
  and it just confuses the heck out of me.
• 1:09:02
  And I just I'm sorry that that your son was the victim of that
• 1:09:09
  so and there. And there's so many more,
• 1:09:13
  there's so many more and it's got to stop.
• 1:09:16
  You know, I don't want this to, I really don't want this to turn
• 1:09:20
  ugly for everybody, you know, like, 'cause that's what it's
• 1:09:24
  leading to. Like we're tired, you know, we
• 1:09:28
  are really tired. And people are really going to
• 1:09:30
  start feeling what their ancestors and their parents
• 1:09:36
  cause a lot of them are still here, you know, have done and
• 1:09:40
  continue to do and, and, and their children and their
• 1:09:43
  grandchildren and so on and so forth are going to be the ones
• 1:09:47
  to pay the price. You know, it would be nice if we
• 1:09:51
  could do this peacefully. Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  It would be great and if we could actually remember that
• 1:09:57
  we're all human beings and that we all deserve a little love,
• 1:10:02
  grace, and just humanity, right? You know.
• 1:10:08
  Just. Live, you know, peacefully.
• 1:10:10
  Like. But we're.
• 1:10:15
  Going to be all right we're. Not We're not going.
• 1:10:18
  To be silent, you know, until my last breath.
• 1:10:23
  I will speak up for my son and for others, you know, it's it's,
• 1:10:29
  it's about truth, accountability and justice.
• 1:10:32
  I I don't want, you know, to sue.
• 1:10:35
  I don't want money. I want yeah.
• 1:10:39
  And. Answers.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, that's. Another that's that's the other
• 1:10:45
  problem is people. And I'm not saying anything bad
• 1:10:50
  about anybody who's lost a loved one to police, you know, or
• 1:10:56
  corrections officers. But when when they're just
• 1:11:01
  accepting the money, these people are just continuing to do
• 1:11:06
  what they do. You.
• 1:11:08
  Know it, it's it has to be where they are held accountable, they
• 1:11:12
  go away. Yeah, there's a situation.
• 1:11:15
  I went to a Prison Reform lobby day here at the Capitol in
• 1:11:19
  Missouri, and I I encountered a woman who was incarcerated at a
• 1:11:27
  women's prison here and she was raped by a corrections officer
• 1:11:32
  and a counselor. And they ended up just basically
• 1:11:40
  shoving him off and paying his pension and not holding him
• 1:11:45
  accountable. And then the state of Missouri
• 1:11:48
  paid her $20 million to keep quiet, basically, and didn't
• 1:11:53
  even put it on the books. They had to, like, rearrange the
• 1:11:56
  books and everything so that the taxpayers wouldn't realize what
• 1:11:58
  was going on. So yeah, I mean, it happens in
• 1:12:03
  all corners. And it's just terrible that the
• 1:12:07
  people who are supposed to be here to protect and to serve and
• 1:12:11
  to keep order and justice are some of the people who are
• 1:12:16
  creating a terrible world. And every every one of them were
• 1:12:21
  as truth, justice, order and. What was the?
• 1:12:25
  Other one you said order, truth, justice, order and control.
• 1:12:30
  I don't. Remember.
• 1:12:32
  To protect and serve truth and justice.
• 1:12:36
  That's all for them. That was never meant for any of
• 1:12:39
  us. That's all meant for those who
• 1:12:41
  said those words. Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  No, I agree. My cousin is incarcerated for 25
• 1:12:48
  years in Chillicothe for 5 ounces of methamphetamine and
• 1:12:53
  she's got the highest drug sentence for a woman because
• 1:12:58
  she's Hispanic and they decided to say she was part of the
• 1:13:05
  cartel and yeah, it was. It's pretty bad.
• 1:13:08
  So she's serving 25 years? Well.
• 1:13:13
  Hopefully, you know, somebody can look into that.
• 1:13:16
  You know, there there's a lot of people that no way more than me
• 1:13:20
  as far as when it comes to jail reform and things like that, you
• 1:13:24
  know, but there are really people who really, really can
• 1:13:28
  help, you know? Yeah.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, and, and I, I just keep plotting on and telling her
• 1:13:35
  story and just like you, you know, telling Taron's story and
• 1:13:39
  eventually somebody's going to hear it and eventually
• 1:13:41
  somebody's going to care. And I know there have been some
• 1:13:45
  people who have cared, you know, about Taron and his story.
• 1:13:48
  But we need, we need some bigger voices out here.
• 1:13:53
  And so hopefully, hopefully you can get something resolved I
• 1:13:58
  wanted. To say to that, you know.
• 1:14:03
  It was. Pretty messed up how the
• 1:14:04
  sheriff's didn't have body Cam video from the scene, but they
• 1:14:09
  had body Cam video from when they came to give me the death
• 1:14:11
  notice and talk to me about what they call the interview.
• 1:14:16
  If it was an interview they would have had my real name, not
• 1:14:19
  my Facebook name and they would have spoke to me.
• 1:14:25
  They would ask me questions about my son, not only inquire
• 1:14:28
  about where was I going to do the autopsy.
• 1:14:31
  And and I don't know if you heard in that first sound only
• 1:14:36
  interview where Crystal asks are they going to do an autopsy?
• 1:14:43
  Like, yeah. And how would that?
• 1:14:44
  Matter. Just the fact that she was so
• 1:14:47
  controlling and so. Manipulating, yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Manipulating. I've seen women like her and it
• 1:14:57
  doesn't end well. Crazy.
• 1:15:02
  OK. So that was my interview with
• 1:15:06
  Jennifer and Taron's mom. And So what do you think, Laura?
• 1:15:11
  I think a. Lot of things.
• 1:15:12
  First of all, my heart goes out to Jennifer.
• 1:15:17
  I'm glad I was in small screen because there was a couple times
• 1:15:19
  so I kind of started tearing up a little bit.
• 1:15:22
  No, it's really powerful hearing you tell your son's story and
• 1:15:29
  God, sorry, I just, I'm, I'm only just hearing about all this
• 1:15:32
  stuff. I've looked into it a little
• 1:15:34
  bit, but just hearing it coming from your mouth, your own words,
• 1:15:39
  it's just very powerful. Sorry my puppy is all around
• 1:15:43
  right now, but we need to. We need to see.
• 1:15:48
  Justice, we need to, if anybody's watching this, please,
• 1:15:51
  if you don't want to share this video, share this video and
• 1:15:59
  share the link tree and just try and get the story out there.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, right now is the time to stand up for what is right to go
• 1:16:10
  to protests. I try to go to protests any time
• 1:16:13
  that I can. I've been going to a lot of
• 1:16:14
  them. I even left work, went on lunch
• 1:16:17
  and went on a protest a few weeks ago.
• 1:16:20
  We need to just get out there and actually make your voice
• 1:16:22
  heard. Make sure people don't forget
• 1:16:25
  and that people like Taron don't die in vain.
• 1:16:31
  It does not sound like a suicide to me.
• 1:16:34
  And it's something that absolutely needs to be
• 1:16:36
  investigated. And we're in a time right now
• 1:16:41
  when racism is running so prevalent and it just, it
• 1:16:44
  absolutely breaks my heart. And she's absolutely correct.
• 1:16:47
  Jennifer's absolutely correct. You can't just stay silent and
• 1:16:49
  watch it go by. You have to say something if you
• 1:16:52
  see something, you always have to say something.
• 1:16:54
  So I'm sorry, I'm kind of collecting my thoughts.
• 1:16:56
  That's a bunch of jumbled up mess.
• 1:16:57
  But I did have an idea sort of. So we're going to be going to
• 1:17:04
  crime con in a few months and right before we start the show,
• 1:17:08
  we are just talking about different things we could do,
• 1:17:12
  whether it be like set wise in our booth or just, you know,
• 1:17:16
  things. What if we or to make, I don't
• 1:17:20
  know if it would be better if it were Flyers or business cards or
• 1:17:24
  something. We can make a few different ones
• 1:17:27
  and find certain cases like Terron's and maybe have a little
• 1:17:33
  QR code that they can scan that might take people to the link
• 1:17:38
  tree, Jennifer's link tree. And you know, same thing for
• 1:17:41
  other cases and stuff like that. Maybe like brief little
• 1:17:43
  description so that we can just hand them out and try and get
• 1:17:46
  them to as many people as you possibly can.
• 1:17:49
  Because crime con. I mean, it's not the the tickets
• 1:17:53
  aren't cheap people that are There are people that genuinely
• 1:17:56
  care, people who genuinely want to spread the word for things.
• 1:18:00
  So I think that's something that we might have to do.
• 1:18:03
  We're going. To the one in Denver, Lisa are
• 1:18:06
  there? Multiple ones, she said.
• 1:18:09
  They do a couple I know they do. One in the UKI didn't know there
• 1:18:11
  are multiple in the US, but yeah, we'll be there in Denver
• 1:18:15
  in September. But yeah, I was just thinking, I
• 1:18:18
  think that's something we should we should definitely do.
• 1:18:20
  We should make some business cards or Flyers or posters or
• 1:18:23
  something like that and just try and get his story out there
• 1:18:27
  because like I said, those are people that care that that want
• 1:18:31
  to help. So.
• 1:18:34
  And. Lord knows who you're going to
• 1:18:35
  run into there, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:36
  So we're, we're going to definitely do everything that we
• 1:18:38
  possibly can to try and keep his story alive.
• 1:18:41
  And much credit to you for not giving up and not letting
• 1:18:44
  anybody bully you into submission.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah. And in the interest of Full
• 1:18:49
  disclosure, let me take this off here.
• 1:18:53
  Because this is military broadcast radio and we serve
• 1:18:57
  veterans and 1st responders. I asked my husband for some
• 1:19:05
  guidance because I felt like I needed to reach out to Nick
• 1:19:10
  Hillary, who was he's a veteran. And then I also felt like I
• 1:19:15
  needed to reach out to John Jones, Detective John Jones or
• 1:19:20
  sheriff's Deputy John Jones. So I did send emails to both of
• 1:19:24
  them. I have not heard any response.
• 1:19:27
  But to be fair, I only sent them out today because I struggled
• 1:19:31
  with whether I was going to do that or not.
• 1:19:35
  But he said that it it was a a wise choice to just get
• 1:19:41
  everybody's story if they if they want to tell it to us.
• 1:19:47
  And hopefully, at least Nick would like to come on here to
• 1:19:52
  advocate for Garrett and to tell his story about, you know, his
• 1:19:58
  experience and how his case involves Taron.
• 1:20:04
  If if he thinks it, it does or not.
• 1:20:07
  So I don't know. We'll see.
• 1:20:10
  Also I don't. Know if you put it on or not.
• 1:20:12
  Oh, sorry, I'm not trying to reach into your lap, but I just
• 1:20:14
  saw that to anybody who might be watching, you might have already
• 1:20:18
  put it, but I just want to say it just anyone who might be
• 1:20:20
  listening rather than actually looking at the screen.
• 1:20:23
  But Jennifer Tron's mom posted in the chat saying that she will
• 1:20:28
  be protesting at the Potsdam Police Department on June 1st,
• 1:20:31
  2025 at 1:00 PM. Protest March and candlelight
• 1:20:35
  vigil. So anybody that is listening,
• 1:20:37
  that is watching, that is able to attend or get the word out
• 1:20:41
  for that. It is so important that we
• 1:20:43
  actually show up and show out for people now more than ever.
• 1:20:48
  I don't need to get into that, but.
• 1:20:50
  Yeah. Now we.
• 1:20:53
  It matters so. So there were a couple of points
• 1:20:57
  I wanted to just kind of go over.
• 1:20:59
  So Taron's condition when he arrived at the hospital, so his
• 1:21:04
  time of arrival at the ER was 7:37 AM and his status, he had a
• 1:21:13
  faint pulse, was restored and oxygen saturation was in the low
• 1:21:17
  90s. His temperature was 97°F normal
• 1:21:22
  to slightly low, indicating the body had not cooled post mortem.
• 1:21:26
  Heart rhythm. Hospital staff reported extreme
• 1:21:29
  tachycardia, meaning his heart was beating rapidly, a sign of
• 1:21:33
  distress but not clinical death. Body condition.
• 1:21:37
  His body was described as warm with no rigor mortis present
• 1:21:41
  yet, which is inconsistent with someone who had been dead for
• 1:21:45
  hours. So this suggests that Taron was
• 1:21:49
  not dead for a long period prior to the EMS arrival and that he
• 1:21:55
  may have been in a state of medical crisis rather than a
• 1:21:58
  completed overdose death. Medical efforts to resuscitate
• 1:22:05
  him continued for nearly 20 minutes after hospital arrival
• 1:22:09
  before he was pronounced dead at 7:55 AM.
• 1:22:13
  So why does this matter? This undermines the police
• 1:22:16
  officers initial assumption that he was already gone.
• 1:22:20
  Officer Lavoie performed CPR on a soft bed, failed to move
• 1:22:24
  Tehran to a hard surface until EM TS arrived, and administered
• 1:22:29
  Narcan despite Wellbutrin not being an opioid.
• 1:22:32
  The fact that Tehran had restored had a restored pulse,
• 1:22:36
  visible oxygen saturation, and no rigor mortis at the hospital
• 1:22:41
  contradicts the narrative that he had died long before help
• 1:22:45
  arrived. It also strengthens the argument
• 1:22:48
  that immediate, proper CPR and medical response could have
• 1:22:52
  changed the outcome. Maybe.
• 1:22:55
  So. This is one key discrepancy that
• 1:22:57
  supports Jennifer's call for a reinvestigation.
• 1:23:02
  So just wanted you guys to hear that hey Misbehaven, just the.
• 1:23:07
  Fact that they won't even hear you out is enough to tell me
• 1:23:10
  that they're doing something. It's.
• 1:23:13
  Shady in the very very least. Very, very least.
• 1:23:17
  Yeah, and so I did always be. Willing to at least engage in
• 1:23:23
  conversation with a victim's family, even if you feel like
• 1:23:27
  their requests are silly or unreasonable or whatever they
• 1:23:30
  may say you can't. Just no.
• 1:23:34
  I I totally agree that just. Pisses me off OK.
• 1:23:38
  So. From.
• 1:23:44
  January 4th through the 7th of 2021, he had a new medication
• 1:23:49
  for the prescription of Wellbutrin.
• 1:23:52
  He was last seen by others. He was being quiet, not showing
• 1:23:56
  suicidal signs. Multiple friends state that he
• 1:23:59
  never used drugs. And here's something we need to
• 1:24:02
  reiterate in the in the autopsy and everything, there is no
• 1:24:08
  vomiting, there's no pill residue, There is no presence of
• 1:24:12
  pills in his stomach and he supposedly swallowed over 60
• 1:24:17
  that would absolutely Wellbutrin pills that are very large.
• 1:24:23
  OK, so. There's no way it sounds like
• 1:24:30
  not to be that person. It sounds like the Marilyn
• 1:24:33
  Monroe bullshit how she like didn't have any like pills in
• 1:24:36
  her system after she. Yeah, but toxicology says he had
• 1:24:43
  Wellbutrin, THC and gabapentin, which, Jennifer, if you're still
• 1:24:50
  in here, why was Taron taking gabapentin if you could please
• 1:24:54
  tell us, because that's usually given for either seizures or for
• 1:25:00
  pain. And I took it for pain and it
• 1:25:03
  was actually one of the worst drugs on this earth, that and
• 1:25:06
  Lyrica. So I'm just curious as to why he
• 1:25:10
  was taking gabapentin at 26. You know the.
• 1:25:14
  Fact that he was taking Wellbutrin probably, you know,
• 1:25:18
  lends to the fact of people saying, oh, well, he must have
• 1:25:21
  been suicidal. You know, Wellbutrin's, you
• 1:25:23
  know, can't remember if that's more of an antidepressant or
• 1:25:25
  more of an anti anxiety, but I think it's more antidepressant,
• 1:25:28
  right? Yeah, and they also use it to
• 1:25:31
  help you quit smoking. That's actually what my dad was
• 1:25:34
  on when he died. Wellbutrin.
• 1:25:37
  Didn't he stop? Taking it for a while or
• 1:25:38
  something like that. I can't remember all the
• 1:25:41
  details. Dad remembers more than I do.
• 1:25:44
  Picking his medicine or something but I don't remember.
• 1:25:46
  But yeah, no, I. Know a lot of people that have
• 1:25:47
  had not great experiences and yeah I've never taken Wellbutrin
• 1:25:53
  specifically, but all of the antidepressants, anti anxiety,
• 1:25:58
  SSRI, anything like that I've taken.
• 1:26:02
  Yeah, well, gabapentin and Lyrica were definitely the worst
• 1:26:08
  that I've ever taken. He was taking Wellbutrin for
• 1:26:11
  depression, but what was he taking Gabapentin for?
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, it can take a long time. And they said that Wellbutrin
• 1:26:21
  are brightly colored and I can't remember if they're pink.
• 1:26:26
  I'd give a glow if my phone's upstairs, but yeah, that's.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah, I'm. Just thinking, trying to take 60
• 1:26:34
  pills Downing that stuff. OK, you don't know what the
• 1:26:36
  gabapentin was for. Usually it's for pain or
• 1:26:39
  seizures. And then she also said for
• 1:26:43
  bipolar. So I'm sure it's got multiple
• 1:26:48
  uses, so let's see. So those were just a few of the
• 1:26:55
  things. OK, so I'm just going to show
• 1:26:58
  you Jennifer's link tree that would.
• 1:27:00
  Be great. We posted it in the chat to
• 1:27:03
  anybody who's here right now watching it live.
• 1:27:05
  But he said that it's going to be posted in the description,
• 1:27:08
  yeah. It is it already?
• 1:27:09
  Is anybody who's watching us on replay please please, please
• 1:27:13
  check this out. This is probably going to be
• 1:27:15
  your best frame of reference for anything and everything related
• 1:27:20
  to Terron's case. OK, blue, some might be pink.
• 1:27:29
  OK. And I didn't.
• 1:27:35
  Find anything in the medical registers except pill bottle so
• 1:27:41
  maybe. It was just there the in the
• 1:27:43
  toxicology it. Wasn't in the IT wasn't in the
• 1:27:45
  toxicology. I thought I saw that in there.
• 1:27:48
  OK, so, so she's got, I believe this is this is actually a
• 1:27:55
  YouTube video and so she's got all the links of where she's
• 1:28:01
  she's gone online and talked about it.
• 1:28:05
  We've got murder is not suicide. Justice for Tyron Junior or
• 1:28:10
  Potsdam, NY. I believe that's her Facebook.
• 1:28:13
  Then there is a Spotify episode, Justice for Tyron Evans.
• 1:28:18
  There's a petition for Tyron Evans Junior case to be
• 1:28:21
  investigated by the New York State Attorney General.
• 1:28:25
  There's a rally starter petition for Taron.
• 1:28:28
  There's a GoFundMe for investigators and Council for
• 1:28:33
  Tron Justice for Tron, Garrett Phillips and Triana Somerville.
• 1:28:39
  Saint Louis or sorry, Saint Lawrence County.
• 1:28:44
  Contact the New York State Attorney General.
• 1:28:47
  New York State Attorney General requesting Tron's case to be
• 1:28:50
  reopened or reinvestigated. Contact the Saint Lawrence
• 1:28:58
  District Attorney demanding he refer to Ron Evans Junior's case
• 1:29:02
  to the New York State Attorney General to be reopened and
• 1:29:05
  reinvestigated. You want to read those while I
• 1:29:08
  put these up here? Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  Contact Board of Contact Board of Legislators requesting they
• 1:29:14
  demand the Saint Lawrence County District Attorney to refer
• 1:29:17
  Terron Evan Junior's case to the NYS of New York State Attorney
• 1:29:22
  General to be reopened and reinvestigated.
• 1:29:25
  Contact New York State Governor requesting Terron's case be
• 1:29:29
  referred to Attorney General and be reopened and reinvestigated.
• 1:29:32
  Contact Attorney General requesting she reopen and
• 1:29:35
  reinvestigate Terron's case. Contact Sheriff's Office
• 1:29:39
  demanding they release all materials pertaining to the case
• 1:29:42
  of Taron Evans Junior in the file dated and timed 17211041
• 1:29:48
  PM. Demand that Sheriff Ingle
• 1:29:50
  investigate the death of Taron Evans Junior and contact the
• 1:29:54
  Saint Lawrence County Attorney demanding he released a 911 Call
• 1:29:59
  anymore. And you really showed out with
• 1:30:03
  all the links, Jennifer. This is really great.
• 1:30:06
  Another one is Potsdam police officer Jared Lavoie.
• 1:30:10
  Lavoie. Yeah, Lavoie Lavoie's body Cam
• 1:30:13
  video, The only body Cam video received from the scene out of
• 1:30:17
  five responding officers, 2 Potsdam police officers and
• 1:30:21
  three St. Lawrence County Sheriff's.
• 1:30:23
  Have you watched any of these videos?
• 1:30:24
  So we can, but it shows Toron. So I don't know if that's
• 1:30:29
  appropriate or not or not. So let's see.
• 1:30:33
  Jennifer says, yes, toxicology results did say gabapentin was
• 1:30:38
  the in the therapeutic range. Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  So I'd just be interested to know why he was taking it
• 1:30:43
  specifically. I mean there can.
• 1:30:45
  Be various reasons multiple. Reasons one thing or another,
• 1:30:48
  but. Just interesting to think about
• 1:30:53
  Saint Lawrence County Sheriff O'connell's body Cam video of
• 1:30:57
  the death Saint Lawrence County Sheriff O'connell's body Cam
• 1:31:01
  video of the interview quote UN quote of me so.
• 1:31:03
  We can do that. It's not.
• 1:31:06
  We. Can watch that it's 9 minutes
• 1:31:09
  and 32 seconds so let's yeah, we're still on the the clear.
• 1:31:12
  For time wise. Yeah, it'll load.
• 1:31:20
  Looks like we're. Having less Internet problems
• 1:31:22
  now though. Yeah, counter small, OK.
• 1:31:25
  Here we go. Any.
• 1:31:29
  Audio I think. It's just quiet right now.
• 1:31:34
  Ink. I don't see any.
• 1:31:39
  It's all the way up. I think it's.
• 1:31:49
  Muted in some way. We just don't know.
• 1:31:51
  I don't, I don't think so it probably.
• 1:31:57
  There we go. Hello, Detective Sergeant
• 1:32:30
  Cringey with the Sheriff's Office.
• 1:32:31
  Is Jen here? May I come in or would you like
• 1:32:35
  to come out or? Detective Sergeant.
• 1:32:39
  Caringi, Deputy O'Connell, you met this morning.
• 1:32:42
  I don't know if you met Deputy McCarthy or Detective McCarthy
• 1:32:44
  yet or not. No.
• 1:32:47
  Come here. Shut the door.
• 1:32:48
  Please. Very sorry for your loss.
• 1:32:53
  We've talked to the county public health.
• 1:32:56
  I've talked to the county administrator.
• 1:32:58
  We can have an autopsy scheduled for one with Doctor Livingstone.
• 1:33:02
  He's the pathologist out of Jefferson County I wanted.
• 1:33:05
  Honestly, I wanted my son somewhere else to get it.
• 1:33:08
  The what? You call it the toxic.
• 1:33:09
  We have, we have two options. We have Doctor Livingstone, He's
• 1:33:12
  out of Jefferson County. He's the normal pathologist we
• 1:33:14
  use. He would come up and do it here.
• 1:33:17
  Our other option is Broom County.
• 1:33:21
  Be honest with you. I don't want nobody attached to
• 1:33:23
  you to Saint Lawrence County. I'm dealing with my son's stuff,
• 1:33:27
  so you know what I'm saying. Yeah, those.
• 1:33:29
  Are our two options. You know what?
• 1:33:30
  You know who I am up in here. You know, people don't like me
• 1:33:32
  up in here and I don't trust nobody, Broome.
• 1:33:36
  County or here, the pathologist that we uses at Jefferson
• 1:33:39
  County's medical examiner down there, but he's contracted with
• 1:33:42
  the three counties on here. The other option is Broome
• 1:33:45
  County outside of that and I haven't.
• 1:33:47
  Detect, I was told this morning by Syracuse that I called down
• 1:33:50
  here to ask some questions. Can I have a detective or
• 1:33:53
  somebody there at the time of autopsy to make sure there is
• 1:33:56
  nothing followed going on well? It.
• 1:33:58
  Depends on whether it's done. If they transfer the body to
• 1:34:01
  Broome County. I don't know if I can get down
• 1:34:02
  there in a certainly man or Broome County, Binghamton,
• 1:34:05
  Binghamton area, you know, here I would be at the autopsy.
• 1:34:09
  I go to all the autopsies, every single one of them.
• 1:34:11
  I document everything I recorded.
• 1:34:15
  Usually I would. Recommend.
• 1:34:18
  No, that's not something apparent.
• 1:34:20
  I just. Want to know?
• 1:34:21
  I'm sorry. But this woman is one of the
• 1:34:24
  biggest dealers. We're very.
• 1:34:25
  In this area, if she. Had been taken out, not killed,
• 1:34:29
  I'm not talking about that, but taken down like she should have
• 1:34:33
  been. We've arrested her multiple.
• 1:34:34
  Times well, she needs. To be arrested now you know.
• 1:34:37
  Fuck that. She's a drug dealer.
• 1:34:39
  I don't believe my son took 2 bottles of pills.
• 1:34:42
  I don't believe that shit at all.
• 1:34:44
  And it's just so happy as Mark Murray.
• 1:34:45
  You know what I said? All this shit I'm going through,
• 1:34:47
  I don't trust the Police Department.
• 1:34:49
  I don't trust honestly, none of y'all and I'm sorry.
• 1:34:51
  Don't take it. Take your personal.
• 1:34:53
  Don't you know what I'm saying? But this is my son.
• 1:34:55
  You know what I do here? You know, And I I, I want an
• 1:34:59
  investigation. Well, I understand.
• 1:35:01
  That that's what we're doing. John can attest to who I am.
• 1:35:04
  I'm I've been doing this for over 20 years now.
• 1:35:06
  John's known me for a long time. I will do the most thorough job
• 1:35:09
  I can. I don't have any problems
• 1:35:12
  calling people out on their findings if I don't agree with
• 1:35:15
  them. So I've never had an issue with
• 1:35:18
  a pathologist report that we've had done locally by Doctor
• 1:35:21
  Livingstone. He's not a local doctor.
• 1:35:23
  He's originally from Indiana area.
• 1:35:25
  He's a licensed pathologist. He was a surgeon before that.
• 1:35:29
  He has probably 04550 years of. I just don't.
• 1:35:35
  Want no Sadie sick, that's all I will.
• 1:35:38
  Guarantee I'm so. Untrustworthy of people right
• 1:35:41
  now? You.
• 1:35:42
  Understand. I mean, if it's your call, those
• 1:35:45
  are the two places that I can send them to.
• 1:35:50
  I can guarantee you that an autopsy done here will be just
• 1:35:53
  as thorough as an autopsy done in in Broome County.
• 1:35:58
  The only thing I can't guarantee is I can't guarantee that I can
• 1:36:00
  attend to one in Broome County simply because of the logistics
• 1:36:03
  of it all, you know, doing here, OK.
• 1:36:06
  This is, but I want you to please be present, and I want
• 1:36:08
  you to give me your word that you're going to do whatever
• 1:36:11
  absolutely you can. Please.
• 1:36:12
  Absolutely. Every time, I guarantee you, but
• 1:36:14
  I. I'm, I'm going to request the
• 1:36:16
  independent autopsy also. You can do that OK above and.
• 1:36:20
  Beyond, they'll contact the medical examiner will get all
• 1:36:22
  his records and stuff like that. You know the one thing you got
• 1:36:26
  to look at? I did.
• 1:36:27
  Not run and none of y'all. No nothing.
• 1:36:30
  I'm just trying to help injustice for people that have
• 1:36:33
  been murdered and. Look at.
• 1:36:35
  My baby now. Over.
• 1:36:38
  Somebody that should have been off the streets a long time ago,
• 1:36:42
  yeah. We don't disagree with that
• 1:36:44
  fact. You know, unfortunately, there's
• 1:36:47
  stuff that we have no control over and it's above us and the
• 1:36:51
  courts and stuff like that. Even at the governor's level
• 1:36:53
  with failed reform, you know, she should have been sitting in
• 1:36:57
  jail. I totally agree with you on
• 1:36:59
  that. You know, we do our due
• 1:37:01
  diligence. He even he.
• 1:37:02
  Came to me and he told me about her and I tried to just stay
• 1:37:06
  away, you know, he said this is what she does.
• 1:37:10
  She lures people in and she buys them all this stuff and she gets
• 1:37:14
  us to. She wants me to sell her drugs,
• 1:37:16
  and she wants to do this and she wants to do that, you know,
• 1:37:21
  leave her alone, son. Please stay away from her.
• 1:37:25
  It's hard to see outside someone else, you know, when you're in
• 1:37:28
  that situation, you know he probably had true feelings for
• 1:37:30
  her. Listen, I I he could have had
• 1:37:36
  true feelings for her, but she should not have been out of
• 1:37:38
  society. What she's doing.
• 1:37:40
  You're right. I totally agree, John I.
• 1:37:47
  Got. I apologize my phone's.
• 1:37:51
  Jen. Can I get your number 315?
• 1:37:54
  2. 6. 1. 4/1. 22 and I'm trying to get my cell phone back on
• 1:38:01
  now. Hope you won't.
• 1:38:02
  Mind though, yeah, I think I got it.
• 1:38:04
  Hopefully. That's not your number now,
• 1:38:05
  Jennifer. Yep, 7. 4/2 Sorry.
• 1:38:10
  She's had it. I had this out for a while
• 1:38:11
  though. I want to.
• 1:38:15
  I want. I asked for a couple of his
• 1:38:17
  locks this morning. That we can do after the
• 1:38:20
  autopsy. Do you have any preference for
• 1:38:23
  Funeral Home or anything like that?
• 1:38:25
  Taken in the Syracuse. OK, all right, That's home.
• 1:38:28
  All right. So once we're done with the
• 1:38:31
  autopsy, did you meet Coronerwood this morning?
• 1:38:34
  June little lady glasses. So yeah.
• 1:38:39
  She. Will be in contact with you
• 1:38:40
  afterwards. As far as finding you know what
• 1:38:42
  Funeral Home you want, we'll make arrangements to have them
• 1:38:44
  transported down there again. I'll do that.
• 1:38:48
  So after I'm done with the autopsy, I will have basically
• 1:38:52
  preliminary findings, but it's going to be pendant tox and I'm
• 1:38:57
  it, it's going to be probably 3 weeks or more for toxicology.
• 1:39:03
  I know it's a long time and it's a terrible length of time to
• 1:39:06
  have to wait to find out answers, but you know,
• 1:39:09
  unfortunately. Yeah, I'm investigating her and
• 1:39:12
  doing whatever you got to do, you know, to make sure it wasn't
• 1:39:14
  no foul play or, you know, I can't.
• 1:39:19
  I can't even think right now. Like I want to do some foul shit
• 1:39:22
  right now, to be honest, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:39:24
  I'm trying to keep my composure, you know, I really am.
• 1:39:28
  I really AM. Jen, do you?
• 1:39:31
  Have any more questions for me right now?
• 1:39:33
  Can I get your? Number And can you write down
• 1:39:38
  their names just? Everybody I'll give you.
• 1:39:40
  A card, OK. Yeah, I got.
• 1:39:53
  Just something about her. Like for real.
• 1:39:56
  Seriously, this is. Me.
• 1:39:58
  That written number is my direct lineup office.
• 1:40:01
  Even if you lose this card, if you call the Sheriff's Office
• 1:40:04
  and ask for me, John knows me well enough that he'll remember
• 1:40:06
  my name and they'll get in touch with me.
• 1:40:09
  If I'm not there, leave me a message and I'll get back to you
• 1:40:11
  soon as I can. I will call you after the
• 1:40:14
  autopsy today or call John. He doesn't.
• 1:40:16
  Yeah, he doesn't have cards, but we'll write it on that.
• 1:40:18
  OK? I'll call John or you wrapped
• 1:40:20
  the autopsy and let me know if Doc have anything to find So and
• 1:40:26
  we'll do the best job we can all.
• 1:40:28
  Right please. John, do you have any questions?
• 1:40:32
  No. Yeah, if you think of any
• 1:40:34
  questions, a lot's going to go through your mind between now
• 1:40:37
  and whenever. Think, write them down, you
• 1:40:40
  know, reach out to me and I'll answer them the best I can.
• 1:40:42
  OK? I'm very very sorry for your
• 1:40:45
  loss. OK, wow.
• 1:41:02
  That was really. That was really intense.
• 1:41:06
  Yeah. Jennifer, our hearts go out to
• 1:41:09
  you. Seriously.
• 1:41:13
  OK. And there have been several
• 1:41:16
  people from this case who have retired or who have quit their
• 1:41:20
  jobs. And that's not all that are.
• 1:41:24
  Suspicious in any way? Yeah, I know.
• 1:41:27
  That's not OK. We've been talking privately
• 1:41:33
  about trying to do a few like actual stand alone videos rather
• 1:41:38
  than just live streams or you know, podcasts or whatever.
• 1:41:42
  And I feel like. This would.
• 1:41:44
  Probably be a worthwhile case to try and do some sort of a
• 1:41:47
  comprehensive full look at yeah at some point.
• 1:41:51
  I believe. So I.
• 1:41:53
  Believe. So, too, he retired just days
• 1:41:56
  after the New York State Attorney General contacted the
• 1:42:00
  sheriff's I'm. Curious if he was planning his
• 1:42:03
  retirement beforehand, I don't know.
• 1:42:07
  OK, I think this is maybe I played it out of order, but I
• 1:42:11
  think let's see. Saint Lawrence County Chief ADA
• 1:42:16
  Jason Marks resigned on the same day was coming.
• 1:42:19
  OK, Yeah. Yeah, and.
• 1:42:22
  All of that stuff is in the link tree, so please link.
• 1:42:26
  Tree again. Go and check out the link tree
• 1:42:29
  one more. Time in here, can you put it on
• 1:42:32
  the screen? I know that it's totally
• 1:42:34
  different, but if for some reason one wants to type it in,
• 1:42:38
  it's right there we go. Yeah.
• 1:42:41
  So I don't know, I think this is the actual death notification.
• 1:42:46
  I accidentally played it out of order, so I'm sorry about that,
• 1:42:50
  but we'll we'll play this. And Jennifer, I commend you
• 1:42:56
  because you really. You really?
• 1:42:59
  Held it together. Oh my God.
• 1:43:01
  Yeah, I mean. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:05
  I can't even imagine. That's a pain.
• 1:43:09
  I wish on nobody. OK, hold on.
• 1:43:25
  Let's go back to that. Oh, I can't.
• 1:43:44
  I hear it. What do I?
• 1:44:02
  Do that. I wonder if it's if there's any
• 1:44:03
  identifying information or something that maybe it censors
• 1:44:07
  itself. Oh, it transcribes on the right
• 1:44:19
  side over there, so it doesn't. Look like there's another two.
• 1:44:27
  Yeah, so. Let's go to right there.
• 1:44:34
  Is that not jumping? Go through it like that.
• 1:44:39
  So doesn't it be important? Well.
• 1:44:44
  I guess I could have played that whole thing.
• 1:44:47
  OK. So leave it at where it's at and
• 1:44:50
  OK, we'll just. Watch on the walk.
• 1:44:53
  Yeah. So I'm, I'm definitely
• 1:44:56
  suspicious, I definitely, you've got my interest piqued.
• 1:45:01
  So I definitely want to look more into this and do my own
• 1:45:08
  FOIL requests and. Oh, see what happens.
• 1:45:13
  That's fine. Thank you.
• 1:45:14
  It's just cold. When I was getting no no.
• 1:45:16
  That's fine. I appreciate it.
• 1:45:18
  Sorry to bother you guys so early.
• 1:45:24
  Now, is this John Youngblood again, or is this somebody else?
• 1:45:28
  Treze, is that her? Son Treze, is he here?
• 1:45:31
  OK. Yeah, because.
• 1:45:40
  Possums enrolled on Fridays, right?
• 1:45:41
  Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's another experience in
• 1:45:46
  itself right there home. School.
• 1:45:50
  Her ex Gotcha. I know I hate to complain too
• 1:46:31
  much because it could be a lot worse.
• 1:46:34
  What's that? Yeah, with the weather.
• 1:46:40
  Hello. Hello.
• 1:46:41
  How you doing? It's.
• 1:46:42
  Jennifer. Yeah.
• 1:46:43
  OK. Jennifer, I'm Deputy O'Connell,
• 1:46:44
  the Sheriff's Office, and I apologize for bothering you guys
• 1:46:46
  so early. OK.
• 1:46:48
  Taron, is that your son? Yes.
• 1:46:50
  OK. I'm very sorry to let you know
• 1:46:52
  he passed away this morning. No, no.
• 1:46:54
  No, no, no, no. No, no.
• 1:46:56
  Why? Hold on from what it looks like?
• 1:46:59
  It was an overdose an. Overdose of what pills?
• 1:47:02
  Medication. Where did you find my son?
• 1:47:07
  Please let me go. It was a. 911 call this morning.
• 1:47:10
  She was at his I believe it's his girlfriend's house.
• 1:47:12
  She who I'm I'm not going to give you.
• 1:47:14
  Do you know his girlfriend? Is it crystal Cap?
• 1:47:19
  That's not. The last name that was given to
• 1:47:20
  me but Crystal. Crystal was the first name that
• 1:47:22
  drug dealing bitch Crystal. I don't know that every every
• 1:47:25
  officer around here knows I'm not.
• 1:47:27
  Familiar with her OK. We're about to have a brutal
• 1:47:30
  fucking problem move. Yo.
• 1:47:36
  I'm very. Sorry.
• 1:47:48
  Are. You going to be OK with her?
• 1:47:50
  I don't. Know Sir, I don't live here.
• 1:47:53
  I mean, I live here, but I'm from another town.
• 1:47:57
  Got stuck in. Gotcha.
• 1:48:00
  I've been here almost a. Year.
• 1:48:02
  And. Holy smokes.
• 1:48:05
  I I oh, I I don't even know how to OK, Why?
• 1:48:09
  Why don't? You take care of her, OK?
• 1:48:22
  I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Jennifer.
• 1:48:28
  I don't like the. Way that.
• 1:48:31
  Was. You know what I mean?
• 1:48:32
  I don't either. He just didn't.
• 1:48:33
  Seem when you come to bring a family, the worst news possible.
• 1:48:42
  I don't know, it just didn't seem like there was a lot of
• 1:48:45
  empathy there. My unprofessional opinion I
• 1:48:50
  want. To listen to Crystal's
• 1:48:52
  interview, Yeah. Just a heads up though, we're
• 1:48:55
  about almost at the 2 hour mark here and I don't know if we have
• 1:48:58
  somebody behind us on I. Do not believe that we have
• 1:49:02
  anybody behind us. OK, So at least I want to get
• 1:49:06
  through these two audios. And then since I've already done
• 1:49:12
  shorts for my interview, we don't have to worry about that.
• 1:49:17
  So OK. Yeah, No.
• 1:49:18
  I just. OK, so see, they had more
• 1:49:25
  empathy for Crystal than me. I believe that.
• 1:49:29
  OK, so we're going to, we're going to listen to Crystal's
• 1:49:33
  interview 1st and then well, we'll just go in order.
• 1:49:38
  OK, so. 14210.
• 1:50:38
  Out of 236 State Highway 11 B pot stand interview.
• 1:51:37
  None. Hey, Brian.
• 1:52:14
  How's it going? Good.
• 1:52:15
  How are you? How's it bad about yourself?
• 1:52:17
  Pretty good. So I have a few more questions.
• 1:52:19
  OK. Do you got a couple minutes?
• 1:52:21
  Yeah. Come on here.
• 1:52:22
  Thanks. Appreciate it.
• 1:52:25
  OK, you got it. Looks like you got a package
• 1:52:28
  here. How's it going, Sir?
• 1:52:38
  Good, good. Yeah, that's.
• 1:52:40
  Good. So I'm trying to kind of put
• 1:52:42
  together a timeline of the last couple days with Ron.
• 1:52:45
  So you kind of told me earlier, have a good one yesterday during
• 1:52:53
  the day. So what was the day like?
• 1:52:57
  So. I mean, I got home that he was
• 1:53:00
  in the room, she was at work. What time was that when I got?
• 1:53:03
  Home or. When you got home.
• 1:53:05
  So I went to my shop. So I was probably there till
• 1:53:07
  about two or 3:00 in the afternoon.
• 1:53:08
  OK, I got home, you know, he was in his room just chilling the
• 1:53:12
  room just chilling watching Tvi was in my room just watching
• 1:53:17
  YouTube and I usually. Do.
• 1:53:19
  She got home, we had dinner and stuff.
• 1:53:21
  About what time? Was that she gets home about.
• 1:53:23
  5:00 She was cooking dinner. We had dinner about 637 o'clock,
• 1:53:26
  OK. You know, normal.
• 1:53:29
  Night until I went to bed, you know.
• 1:53:32
  Little bit of an argument at night time, but nothing usual.
• 1:53:34
  Nothing loud, crazy, just, you know, OK Stupid couple stuff
• 1:53:38
  does. Did anybody else come over to
• 1:53:40
  hang out with Taron yesterday that you know of?
• 1:53:42
  No, nobody. What about the day before?
• 1:53:45
  Honestly. The day before I wasn't here.
• 1:53:47
  I just got back from California. I just got back.
• 1:53:49
  When did you get? Back from California, so work.
• 1:53:52
  I'm still talking right now. Friday I think I got back I.
• 1:53:55
  Think it was. Wednesday night at 1:00 in the
• 1:53:56
  morning so. At.
• 1:53:58
  Night. They were in bed already.
• 1:53:59
  OK. And you didn't see him yesterday
• 1:54:02
  morning before you went to work or no because.
• 1:54:04
  He was in bed and I left for the day.
• 1:54:05
  I got home about 2:00. What time did you?
• 1:54:07
  Leave. I left here so I.
• 1:54:09
  Didn't have I don't have to work this week.
• 1:54:11
  I went to my. Shop.
• 1:54:11
  I left probably about 7:00 or 8:00.
• 1:54:14
  Yeah, OK. What about friends?
• 1:54:16
  Does try and have any friends that ever come over or he
• 1:54:19
  doesn't? Have He didn't really have a lot
• 1:54:20
  of friends down here. He didn't talk a lot.
• 1:54:23
  He was very, very, very quiet. Kept him cell phone.
• 1:54:26
  I mean like. You know, we have some talks at
• 1:54:27
  late at night sometimes. But like, it was never like he
• 1:54:30
  didn't really open up or like, say, hey, I'm going to go to
• 1:54:32
  this person's house. He didn't go anywhere, really.
• 1:54:35
  What are you guys talking about? Cars and stuff, you know, And I
• 1:54:38
  mean, I took him. For the rides in cars.
• 1:54:39
  And he loved it. You know, I tried to be as good
• 1:54:42
  of a person as I could do him because, you know, I knew he
• 1:54:43
  wasn't from around here, if you will, or didn't know a lot of
• 1:54:47
  people. So I was like, try to be nice,
• 1:54:49
  you know, cool. Yeah, just try to be decent,
• 1:54:51
  decent guy to him. Sure, you could tell he's had a
• 1:54:53
  rough. One thank you.
• 1:54:55
  Girl OK, because. He was very you can tell when
• 1:54:58
  somebody just too quiet. Yeah, and I don't know, I know
• 1:55:01
  that he had mental health issues before.
• 1:55:03
  Like he's been brought up. OK.
• 1:55:05
  Like what? What kind of mental health
• 1:55:07
  issues I think? He so when my mom first met him,
• 1:55:10
  he actually ended up going to like a hospital or something out
• 1:55:13
  of state. I think it was OK.
• 1:55:15
  I don't know exactly what it was, but they said that they he
• 1:55:19
  couldn't be released unless somebody was able to care for
• 1:55:21
  him and like, you know, watch for him.
• 1:55:22
  Yeah. My mom was like, yeah,
• 1:55:23
  absolutely sure. They wanted to make sure he had
• 1:55:25
  a place to go because he didn't actually have like a a resident
• 1:55:29
  and I don't think he even had an ID at the time.
• 1:55:31
  OK, because I know. Like that he had to file for all
• 1:55:33
  that stuff. He didn't have anything for his
• 1:55:35
  ID, OK? Like he had no proof of
• 1:55:37
  identity. Like nothing.
• 1:55:39
  OK, I. Don't even know how that.
• 1:55:40
  Happens, yeah. That's a good question.
• 1:55:43
  Like I. Don't know how like somebody
• 1:55:44
  like literally loses everything that they have, like birth
• 1:55:47
  certificate ID, yeah. That's that's, it's hard to
• 1:55:51
  imagine, but unfortunately there's probably a lot of people
• 1:55:53
  out there like that. It it's.
• 1:55:54
  It's really sad. Yeah, sure.
• 1:55:57
  So he, he didn't ever have like anybody come over and hang out
• 1:56:01
  or anything like that. He never.
• 1:56:02
  Had anybody over OK? Did he go anywhere?
• 1:56:05
  Did he go to like his mom's or so?
• 1:56:08
  From what I heard, him and his mom didn't get along too well.
• 1:56:10
  OK. Whenever.
• 1:56:12
  It was brought up. It was very quiet conversation.
• 1:56:15
  He changed the subject. Almost.
• 1:56:16
  Immediately. Oh yeah, so.
• 1:56:19
  I I don't know honestly. Like obviously I go to work
• 1:56:21
  throughout the day. So if he went.
• 1:56:23
  Anywhere. So today I wouldn't really know.
• 1:56:25
  OK, he had a house key and everything.
• 1:56:27
  Sure. So sure you can come and go as
• 1:56:29
  he please and such. Yeah.
• 1:56:32
  Is your mom around? Yeah, she's just.
• 1:56:34
  In the house, hyperventilating. She's just losing shit.
• 1:56:37
  She can't even make a sentence. All she's saying is no.
• 1:56:40
  I can imagine it's very difficult.
• 1:56:42
  Do you think it's here? Just trying to like, you know,
• 1:56:44
  comfort her, OK? Do you think there's any way I
• 1:56:46
  could talk with her? Could you check and see if if
• 1:56:48
  she's willing to just. I'm just like I said, I'm trying
• 1:56:50
  to put together the last couple days to see if he, you know,
• 1:56:54
  went somewhere or if we, you know, stuff like that, just to
• 1:56:57
  get a little information. OK, I really appreciate it bro.
• 1:57:00
  Sure. Thank you.
• 1:57:25
  Thanks. Man, I really appreciate it.
• 1:57:37
  Hi, Crystal. Hi.
• 1:57:39
  I'm very sorry for your loss. I'm Detective Mccarger with the
• 1:57:43
  Sheriff's Office. So like I was.
• 1:57:45
  Talking with Brian. Well, thank you.
• 1:57:47
  I appreciate it. I don't want to trip over to
• 1:57:50
  Cat. Yeah, he just moved everything.
• 1:57:54
  Sure. So I'm just I'm Detective
• 1:57:56
  Mccarger with the Sheriff's Office.
• 1:57:59
  I'm just trying to put together like the last couple days of of
• 1:58:02
  where Taran, if he went anywhere, if he had anybody come
• 1:58:06
  over, like kind of what his daily routine was he.
• 1:58:11
  So he has severe mental health problems.
• 1:58:15
  He. Never left the house.
• 1:58:17
  Never left the house, he didn't. Socialize anybody?
• 1:58:22
  OK, I am literally the only person in his phone contact.
• 1:58:26
  OK? I mean literally OK he hadn't.
• 1:58:31
  He was prescribed to a loft in January and he was having a bad
• 1:58:37
  reaction to it, so the primary switched him to Wellbutrin.
• 1:58:46
  December 31st. I picked the script up and we
• 1:58:50
  ate after that. Yeah, I think it was.
• 1:58:53
  It was whatever that day was. It was.
• 1:58:55
  That's the day I picked the script up when he was January
• 1:58:57
  2nd, the 4th of the week he was he took it for four days regular
• 1:59:08
  dose before he died this morning.
• 1:59:13
  He had a he was given emergency services for his mental health
• 1:59:26
  problems because they're really severe and they did it on, on
• 1:59:33
  the phone assessment for them for like an hour and then.
• 1:59:38
  He was supposed. To go Monday and he never went.
• 1:59:41
  He didn't. He didn't go to his appointment,
• 1:59:43
  OK. He's very isolated, so like if
• 1:59:48
  people like if he has a friend over or anybody comes over,
• 1:59:52
  he'll go in the room. OK, Oh, if Brian has a friend
• 1:59:55
  over or something, if anybody's here.
• 1:59:58
  I I met him a couple of times and he.
• 2:00:00
  Said two words, very, very, very quiet.
• 2:00:03
  But like he was the best guy ever to me.
• 2:00:08
  He treated me like freaking didn't even describe it.
• 2:00:12
  He just didn't want anybody around him beside me, OK?
• 2:00:18
  He lacked ambition. He didn't have like any tribe
• 2:00:22
  and I know it's because he was Leon stable and we were working
• 2:00:26
  on that. Sure.
• 2:00:29
  You know, we were doing like small balls just.
• 2:00:33
  Try to build them up a little bit.
• 2:00:34
  Sure, of course, when he. When he's going to do that time
• 2:00:38
  like this, you know, it's hard. So I just feel I just feel like
• 2:00:45
  you always feel like you could have no, he was having a seizure
• 2:00:48
  when I caught up and I should have called like one of my
• 2:00:52
  friend. He got meet somebody when
• 2:00:54
  they're having a seizure time. He just.
• 2:00:58
  This happens you. Can't blame yourself, that's
• 2:01:00
  all. We bet you really can't.
• 2:01:02
  OK, I understand you got. To be strong.
• 2:01:12
  I know. Yeah, not this moment.
• 2:01:15
  So when was the last time he went somewhere?
• 2:01:21
  Did he? Does he go visit his mother at
• 2:01:22
  all or? What the?
• 2:01:27
  He didn't really have much to do with her or well.
• 2:01:30
  For example, all of her boyfriends stabbed him right
• 2:01:35
  here and she chose her boy. I mean, kid, he grew up in
• 2:01:41
  foster care. She's a piece of shit.
• 2:01:44
  We had problems that was. Back over the summer.
• 2:01:51
  Yeah, he got stabbed in July. Yeah, he went to.
• 2:01:55
  Go visit. Us and whoever this boyfriend is
• 2:02:00
  stabbed. And he had to go.
• 2:02:04
  You know, obviously go to the hospital.
• 2:02:06
  And. They.
• 2:02:07
  Stitched it off and then he ended up getting like a severe
• 2:02:11
  infection so he had to go get antibiotics for it.
• 2:02:16
  It was pretty nasty. Scott right, I know we.
• 2:02:22
  Went to dinner Sunday, Yeah. We went to dinner.
• 2:02:24
  Sunday, that would have been OK, OK.
• 2:02:28
  On New Year's Eve and he said maybe 2.
• 2:02:33
  Words just real quiet on Yeah, but that's not out of the
• 2:02:36
  ordinary for him. I saw a.
• 2:02:37
  Couple of times and each time he was quiet.
• 2:02:40
  When it's like just me and him, he never shut up.
• 2:02:43
  You know, I think I more comfortable.
• 2:02:45
  He was a person, sure, absolutely.
• 2:02:49
  And love is. The head of the Black Lives
• 2:02:51
  Matter shit. Like she's a joke, yeah.
• 2:02:55
  OK, that. I know that bothered him a
• 2:03:00
  little bit too, because like. She's an.
• 2:03:09
  Embarrassment to him in a sense. She just, I was on the phone
• 2:03:12
  with her when he called, OK. She was asking me like, you
• 2:03:15
  know, a lot of questions. But like, sure.
• 2:03:17
  I don't even hear any like sadness or sorrow in her voice.
• 2:03:21
  Like how cold can you be I? I, I couldn't imagine, I, I, I
• 2:03:27
  can't imagine what you're going through and.
• 2:03:30
  No. Who, who, Who did he see for a
• 2:03:35
  doctor? Doctor Path Malingman.
• 2:03:39
  If he's at his EJ, he's at the EJ Noble in.
• 2:03:43
  Canton, Yeah. OK.
• 2:03:45
  Path Malingen. Path Malingen.
• 2:03:47
  Like I could pull up his patient portal, the preliminary, it was
• 2:03:53
  his first time, so why did she? Have his pension that.
• 2:03:55
  Was on the phone correct or that was OK behavioral help?
• 2:03:59
  He was EPH was on the. Phone.
• 2:04:02
  OK, that's. The one he was supposed to go to
• 2:04:04
  Monday to see his psychiatrist. OK, he went to Path Molineman
• 2:04:11
  in. I could pull it up to.
• 2:04:16
  Give you the That's OK. That's OK.
• 2:04:18
  But but it was, it was somewhat recent, not not like 2 years
• 2:04:22
  ago. It was like back in the last.
• 2:04:24
  Month OK the code. For.
• 2:04:29
  Diagnosis is moderate to severe depression.
• 2:04:34
  OK. And then behavioral health
• 2:04:37
  called them actually the very day that he went and saw the
• 2:04:43
  primary. OK like whatever the report was,
• 2:04:46
  it came back pretty serious. Sure.
• 2:04:50
  OK, I just missed one. I know.
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  Did he go anywhere? Did.
• 2:04:55
  He say Wednesday, so the So the last day he went somewhere was
• 2:04:59
  Sunday and he went to dinner with you guys.
• 2:05:03
  What's your name, ma'am? Angela Kip in yours, ma'am.
• 2:05:06
  Karen Fuller. Karen Fuller.
• 2:05:09
  OK, yeah, I know. Oh yeah, you're the best.
• 2:05:23
  OK, if I have any other questions for you, I'll, I'll,
• 2:05:29
  I'll stop in. Or would you prefer I call or I
• 2:05:33
  mean I? Work I normally I'm at.
• 2:05:35
  Work. Sure.
• 2:05:35
  Of course, that job never ends up there, Huh.
• 2:05:41
  I I know you've been going through a lot up there too.
• 2:05:43
  I kind of, I kind of scan the complaints on occasion and I see
• 2:05:47
  you, you had a couple up there that was Oh yes.
• 2:05:50
  This. Is what's happened.
• 2:05:51
  There the Slater. Character and they they report.
• 2:05:55
  I got, like I said, that I got them out of there, but then they
• 2:05:58
  did a home invasion with a knife.
• 2:06:01
  Yeah. So my tenant, so my tenant out
• 2:06:04
  of fear because they're like, we're coming back no matter
• 2:06:06
  what. So my tenant moved out Friday.
• 2:06:09
  I let him break his leaves. I mean.
• 2:06:11
  Oh yeah. So who owns the place now out
• 2:06:13
  there? Does he still?
• 2:06:15
  How's that going? He, he don't and I don't.
• 2:06:18
  Have any problems? He's never there.
• 2:06:20
  I That's perfect. If I see him an.
• 2:06:21
  Hour A. Week.
• 2:06:23
  That's that's good. I know how.
• 2:06:25
  He is, but I don't have a problem.
• 2:06:28
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 2:06:32
  I don't really have anything else at this time.
• 2:06:35
  I mean, we don't have any. We're just trying to sure, of
• 2:06:42
  course, of course I that I don't know.
• 2:06:49
  I couldn't tell you. I'm just out talking with some
• 2:06:53
  people right now. And it sounds like he does he
• 2:06:58
  have any friends, anybody that he would reach out to if he was
• 2:07:02
  having just OK, it's just me. I personally since he's been
• 2:07:09
  with. Her I haven't.
• 2:07:13
  And you guys are all sisters or I'm a close friend of the
• 2:07:18
  family. OK, OK.
• 2:07:23
  OK. Alright.
• 2:07:23
  I'll do it. I won't.
• 2:07:24
  I won't steal your pen. Although it's a nice pen.
• 2:07:27
  I like it. No, not at all.
• 2:07:29
  That's OK, I'll go out if you don't mind.
• 2:07:36
  I'll just give him one of my cards.
• 2:07:37
  OK, so or maybe I'll give you 2 or something and if you have any
• 2:07:42
  questions or I have a. Question.
• 2:07:44
  Sure, what if and I just received it already because the
• 2:07:48
  tone? She gave her on the phone.
• 2:07:49
  When she just spoke with her. What if she's starts harassing
• 2:07:54
  Crystal? Call us immediately, OK if.
• 2:07:57
  She's and. And you're talking about his
• 2:08:00
  mother, Jen. Jennifer.
• 2:08:01
  Yeah. If she starts giving.
• 2:08:04
  Sure. Of course.
• 2:08:06
  If she starts giving you any problems, call us and we'll end
• 2:08:09
  it immediately. I mean.
• 2:08:10
  I, I mean, I kind of yeah, yeah. Sure, of course, but.
• 2:08:17
  Like when when the sheriff went to tell her that he was just
• 2:08:21
  these yes, that's going overdose.
• 2:08:25
  I guess why she would, you know, thinking other, but he doesn't
• 2:08:29
  use drugs, he doesn't drink nothing to smoke cigarettes.
• 2:08:34
  So she's probably thinking because she doesn't know her
• 2:08:36
  child. So I get why she would come at
• 2:08:41
  me that way, but that's not what it was sure of.
• 2:08:44
  Course and I'm trying. You know she is owed the
• 2:08:48
  explanation. Sure.
• 2:08:49
  You know, Yeah. But that's it.
• 2:08:52
  I mean, she can't. Sure.
• 2:08:53
  Absolutely. I don't.
• 2:08:54
  Want you to have any more struggles you're going through
• 2:08:57
  enough you absolutely. Absolutely, and it seems like he
• 2:09:02
  got a good support group here. But if you do need anything, of
• 2:09:06
  course, always reach out and and give me a call.
• 2:09:10
  Brian, any, any of you guys, of course, thank you for now.
• 2:09:12
  Appreciate. That I'll, I'll do what I can.
• 2:09:16
  And, you know, unfortunately the only thing that can heal is time
• 2:09:23
  and and this is going to take a long time.
• 2:09:29
  So, you know, make sure you keep, you know, reaching out to
• 2:09:31
  your friends and people that reach out too and.
• 2:09:34
  You've got your T set too. It's not.
• 2:09:38
  Your No, absolutely not. You cannot blame yourself when
• 2:09:42
  somebody makes that choice. That's.
• 2:09:45
  It. People.
• 2:09:46
  People who you don't. Understand.
• 2:09:48
  People what? They're going through in their
• 2:09:50
  minds exactly. And the people who make these
• 2:09:54
  decisions like that, they're, they're not going to tell you
• 2:09:57
  they're doing it. No, that's.
• 2:10:01
  That's what I said. They've made their choice, you
• 2:10:02
  know, and so I'll grab those cards for you guys, OK?
• 2:10:08
  And like I said, that is your anything.
• 2:10:10
  Don't hesitate, OK? And if.
• 2:10:12
  I have any other questions, I'll either give you a call or or
• 2:10:15
  maybe. Not be like an asking you do
• 2:10:16
  them like you expect. Like you know what?
• 2:10:19
  I'm. Saying I'm working on.
• 2:10:20
  It. You.
• 2:10:22
  Guys, do OK, do the best you can, OK?
• 2:10:49
  If you need anything, keep an eye on your mom, OK?
• 2:10:53
  Will do. And if anything, you know, if
• 2:10:55
  you see that she's really struggling, don't hesitate to
• 2:10:58
  give us a call. Sounds good.
• 2:11:00
  OK. Appreciate you, man.
• 2:11:01
  All right, buddy. Take it easy, Brian.
• 2:11:02
  You too. Did he explain the same courtesy
• 2:11:07
  I'm. Taking.
• 2:11:09
  To Jennifer that I hadn't looked.
• 2:11:11
  Up. No, no, I don't know if that's
• 2:11:13
  end of. Interview time 12:05 anybody?
• 2:11:16
  Extend the same courtesy. No, I didn't.
• 2:11:20
  OK, so actually I think we're going to call it a night because
• 2:11:23
  I'm starting to hurt and if I sit here too long I'll be
• 2:11:29
  hurting really bad. Lovely life.
• 2:11:31
  Of the disabled veteran. I know, but I thank everybody so
• 2:11:36
  much for being here to discuss Taron.
• 2:11:39
  And this is just the first, the first part of it.
• 2:11:44
  I think we're going to really try to talk more about it.
• 2:11:48
  And if, if we don't release a video this Saturday, then we
• 2:11:59
  will have one coming up that will go into all of the other
• 2:12:04
  information and stuff like that. And hopefully, hopefully Nick
• 2:12:08
  Hillary can join us sometime. And if Detective Jones or
• 2:12:17
  Sheriff Jones would like to join us, he's more than welcome to
• 2:12:20
  too. I will give him just a fair an
• 2:12:23
  opportunity to discuss what happened.
• 2:12:26
  But we do need to get down to the bottom of what happened to
• 2:12:30
  Garrett Phillips and Taron Evans Junior.
• 2:12:33
  And so if please just go out there, look at Jennifer's link
• 2:12:39
  tree, share it out and just do whatever you can to promote this
• 2:12:45
  story and let people know about the injustice that Jennifer and
• 2:12:48
  her family has faced and that Garrett Phillips injustice, you
• 2:12:55
  know, there's there's been no justice for Garrett as well.
• 2:12:58
  So this is just. One of countless examples, never
• 2:13:03
  ending examples of the police dropping the ball.
• 2:13:08
  And especially when it involves minorities, people just.
• 2:13:13
  I mean, I, I yeah, sorry, the words aren't coming to me right
• 2:13:18
  now. I'm getting upset again, but not
• 2:13:21
  even a fraction as upset as Jennifer.
• 2:13:25
  You know, this just, yeah, this just, it's fucked up and I'm
• 2:13:31
  sorry. Black Lives Matter and we need
• 2:13:33
  to make sure that we are just 100% seeing that from the
• 2:13:37
  rooftops. Show up to the protests going on
• 2:13:41
  in your areas. If you believe in A cause, show
• 2:13:44
  up and show out. Don't let this just become
• 2:13:47
  another thing to fade into the background.
• 2:13:50
  It's really good Taron's story out there and like I said, we're
• 2:13:55
  going to, I don't know if it's going to be Flyers or business
• 2:13:58
  cards or what, but we'll do something.
• 2:14:01
  We promise. That's our promise to you.
• 2:14:03
  That's our promise to Taron so. Yeah.
• 2:14:07
  So thank you, Jennifer, so much for sharing your story, sharing
• 2:14:13
  Taron's story, sharing Garrett's story, and I pray that one day
• 2:14:17
  you find the answers you're looking for and we will continue
• 2:14:21
  to go on this journey with you. And I don't remember if we
• 2:14:24
  mentioned this, this is unrelated, but this is the one
• 2:14:29
  year anniversary of the channel. Did you mention it?
• 2:14:31
  Yeah, earlier. It is the one one year
• 2:14:34
  anniversary of the channel, so yeah.
• 2:14:38
  And good thing. To to end out our year or not
• 2:14:43
  end up you know what I'm. Saying like kick off.
• 2:14:45
  Our new year. Yeah, this is good.
• 2:14:49
  This is good, yeah. So please, please have a blessed
• 2:14:53
  night, a blessed week, Please go out and do something to change
• 2:14:59
  the world and make it better. Absolutely.
• 2:15:01
  Have a blessed. Night.
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