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Joe Rogan Experience #2369 - Ed Calderon · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Logan Experience showIn My Day Joe Rogan Podcast
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  by Night all day. Art was the fast, like driving
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  over from the common Store at like one o'clock in
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  the morning hearing some dude claimed he was a time traveler.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when he uh, there was a dude that claimed
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  to work at Area fifty one and then it cut
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  out that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the show cut out. Yeah, that was a good one.
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  Art was the man. Yeah. Yeah, that's why we put
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  that photo up there because he was you know a
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  lot of the subjects that we covered. He was the
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  original guy talking about these things on the radio. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the fact that he just kept the open
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  lines if you were a time travel if you're a
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  time travel or just call in and tell tell us
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  what's going to happen in.
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  Speaker 2: The future, people that were kidnapped by Bigfoot, like no
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  matter what. Art was like, interesting, tell me more. Yeah,
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  Like he was open to just talking to anyone. It
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  was great. He never called bullshit, no no. So the
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  last time I saw you, he gave you an Aztec
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  death whistle and Brian Callen blew it on the air
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  and it caused the pandemic. He was very good at
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  it out of nowhere. He's just like grabbing and woo,
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  we have another one. Oh no, don't Probably that's Luke
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  Caverns gave us this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one, right, that is a beautiful one. Probably,
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  let's not repeat it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I don't know if it's true or not true,
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  but it's an odd coincidence. Definitely, it definitely was.
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  Speaker 3: I got a lot of messages about it, like, hey,
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  this was kind of coincidentally at the start of this
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  pandemic that conducted. Don't put this on me.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, man, people have been blowing them whistles all over
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  the world. Yeah, there's a bunch of those whistles out there.
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  There's no way, there's no way. The only thing is,
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  I don't think anybody ever blew one on a podcast
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  that was seen by millions of people.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you were directly responsible for those to become
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  this viral popular thing. Like a few people knew about them,
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  but they became this international thing now, like everybody talks
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  about death whistles now because of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, they are weird. The sound is creepy, Yeah,
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  you know, definitely weird, ghostly. Yeah, if you heard dudes
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  in the distance making that noise, and you knew that
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  people were after you, and you heard that, you'd be like, oh,
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  fuck yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it keeps it definitely keeps you up at
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  night seeing people do pranks with them just screaming them
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  at randomly in the middle of the night in the street,
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  you know, people running around.
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  Speaker 2: What is the origin of that? Like Aztec death whistles,
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  Like when did they start using them?
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  Speaker 3: Does anybody know people keep finding them? I mean, Aztec
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  is a modern word for Mahika, which were a bunch
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  of tribes that moved from northern you know, northern America
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  down there, and they brought with them a lot of customs,
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  but I think those were around before them. You know,
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  a lot of them emulated animals, so a lot of
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  it was like shamanistic people trying to in view themselves
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  with the spirit of an animal. So a lot of them,
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  you know, have jaguar sounds coming out, uh, But some
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  of the ones that would the scream apparently they're more
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  about the screeching owls that live down there. But they've
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  been like people told me that native people down there
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  told me that they were very much specifically kind of
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  utilized for psychological effect. Yeah, make them not sleep during
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  these flower wars where they would have with the I
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  think the classical Tekens, they had this agreement where they
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  would go and try and capture people to bring back
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  to the pyramid to sacrifice. In a way they would
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  they would, uh you know, tire them is to you know,
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  blow those at night where they were encamped or where
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  the places where they were about to attack. So the
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  you know, loose sleep with those, like a few hundred
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  of those.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, people can be really devious, Yeah, when they
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  know how to mess with your head.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the Mexica and again people glorify a
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  lot of people from Mexico that everybody's Astex You're probably
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  not Asstek, You're probably some other tribe that didn't lose
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  that initial conquest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of badass dudes have like Aztec tattoos
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  on their back and stuff like that. But that's the
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  losing side. Though.
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  Speaker 3: The Spanish came and allied themselves with everybody that hated
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  the Aztecs, including like the classcal Tecans who were who
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  are apparently bad asses. They Astecs used to send tax
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  selectors out to them and Apparently one of them didn't
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  come back, according to one story, and the soldiers came
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  over like, hey, where's our tax Selector's let's feed you
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  before you before we.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about anything.
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  Speaker 3: So they fed them posole and at the end of
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  the meal they were like, well, you can take your
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  people back with you.
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  Speaker 2: Where are they? You just ate them. They were in
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  the stew.
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  Speaker 3: And those are the guy that the Spanish shyllied with
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  fight against the Mexica Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: The history of Mexico is so strange. I mean, it's
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  so long and storied, and there's so many chapters of
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  it that are very confusing, because like where'd the Mayans go?
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  Like when they found the Aztec pyramids, people weren't even
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  living in them. When the people that eventually wound up
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  living in them, it's they found them.
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  Speaker 3: Ti Wakhan, which they call the It's basically the city
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  of the Gods is what the Aztecs call them, because
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  they didn't it was abandoned when they went through, which
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  is nuts. Yeah, they were the Aztecs in essence, were
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  violent immigrants coming from the north into into the South,
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  which is pretty interesting, you know, But yeah, the city
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  was abandoned completely and when they passed through it was
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  the city of the gods they called the Pyramid of
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  the Sun and the Moon. But realistically, nobody knows what
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  those pyramids are for.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And when they made it their way into the.
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  Speaker 3: Valley of Mexico, there were already a bunch of tribes
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  already there and people's older peoples. So Mexico has an
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  ancient history. People that want to assume that the Aztecs
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  of ancient history don't know anything about history. They're pretty
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  new on the on the scene as far as history
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  when it comes to Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Which is really crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really crazy
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  that most modern people don't even I mean, especially in America,
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  don't even understand that the reason why everybody speaks Spanish
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  is because the Spaniards. It's not that the Mexican native
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  language was Spanish, No, No, it was the language they
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  assumed once they were conquered. Yeah, and there's a bunch
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  of lost languages.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, something interesting happened with them. And they're non quotes.
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  And the conquista and the Spanish are all perfect villains
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  in history. I guess people, it's it's it's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: If you kind of look at it from the outside
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  perspective colonial invasion. But when you go but when you
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  look at I mean, they were just getting off their
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  own conquest. They were conquested by the Moors, so they
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  were getting free from that. So they were already mixed
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  in there. Brown people on that boat. It's not blonde
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  haired white people coming on that boat. There's already brown
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  people on that boat coming or non contest is very
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  much painted as a villain in this story. But when
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  you kind of look at the ways that the conquest
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  took place in Mexico versus other parts of the world,
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  there was a lot of brutality, There's a lot of ignorance,
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  a lot of religious nonsense on both sides, because the
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  Astex also did a lot of horrible things. But in
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  the end, I think Mexico went around the route of
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  misty Sake. We decided to mix, like the Spanish decided
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  to take wives among the natives. They decided to give
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  honorary titles to the people that helped fight the Aztecs
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  to help with the conquest of what was in Mexico
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  was just this valley at that time and gave birth
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  to this culture, this mixed culture that very much hates
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  parts of itself, which is a weird part of Mexican culture,
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  because you ask anybody in Mexico, a lot of people,
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  and I went to Mexican school, so I got a
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  lot of this education of how the evil Spanish came
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  and wiped out all of the natives, you know, or
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  most of the natives, when in reality, you know, a
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  lot of us in Mexico have mixed blood. Most of
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  us have mixed both. There's a lot of Spanish blood
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  in us. So we were very much taught to hate
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  ourselves in a way, and I think that has something
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  to do with a lot of the psychology and the
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  culture in Mexico. There's a whole part of our history
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  and ourselves that we hate. But it's essential. Like we say,
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  like the President of Mexico, the past president, the current
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  president are all about sending the King of Spain letters
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  to have him apologize for the Conquista. And it's funny,
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  like some of the bloggers from Spain will respond like
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  you're you're you're asking that in Spanish?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and you're probably an ancestor of those very people,
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  so it's kind of you more than us. Yeah, because
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  we didn't even go over there.
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  Speaker 3: We're still here, yes, yes, and well right and people
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  that's where the Mayas went, they're there.
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  Speaker 2: You go down there, Yeah, they look they look exactly
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  like the paintings.
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  Speaker 3: If you've ever been to the Anthropology Anthropological Museum in Mexico,
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  which I highly ask people to go and visit, it's beautiful.
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  Uh they have a whole Mayne exhibit there, and it's
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  like startling how their culture was so advanced, uh, so detailed,
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  so detailed orientated, and they know the whole feeling of
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  them just being gone or like disappearing as a mystery.
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  Speaker 2: But then you go down there and you see these
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  people there they look Mayan. Yeah, they look very different.
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  It's interesting. You know, I went to uh chichen Itza,
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  and first you just I mean, I know that the
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  Pyramids of Egypt dwarf even that, but when you go there,
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  you're like, what happened? Like how did you guys do this?
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  Like how are you building these immense stone structures in
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  the jungle. Way before Europeans ever settled into America, Like,
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  way before there was anything like this anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of strong backs, a lot of work ethic.
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  You know, there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt there was a lot of that, but
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  there was also a lot of like incredibly sophisticated engineering. Yeah,
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  like this isn't just like a one time project. You
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  got it right the first time. Like how were you
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  guys so good at Like when you look at the
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  Chiechen Needs pyramids where you can't walk up them anymore unfortunately,
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  but when you'll get linged, yeah, you get in big trouble.
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  But but I was there back in the day you
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  could climb up them. This is like I guess early
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  two thousand and you were allowed to walk up that.
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  But they'll fuck you up. Now there's just been videos
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  of people doing things and then yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The locals, they'll get lynched in the bottom. I think
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  if you manage to climb that thing right now, there's
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  a there's a watch guy all the way on the
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  top and a bunch of dog always on. That's a
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  weird thing about all pyramids. I don't know why dogs
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  like hanging out up there. Oh really yeah, like the
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  the one in and Uh and in the Sun Pyramid
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  in Mexico, there's always dogs on top of it. And
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  that's when there's also all with dogs on.
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  Speaker 2: No peril dogs. Wild dogs just hang up out there.
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  But I mean, when you see these things, like could
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  give us some of the images of when you see, uh,
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  some of these there's some dogs, when you see some
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  of these pyramids like that, Like that's so different. I mean,
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  that is so sophisticated, it's so bizarre. Yeah, we had
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  a really good guide there when I went, and the
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  guide was showing us this one area where they would
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  take whatever psychedelic plants they had, like some ceremonial room
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  where they would take psychedelic plants. And he was telling
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  me that it's not totally understood what they were doing
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  or why they were doing, but it is widely accepted
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  that some of what they were into had to do
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  with psychedelic rituals, and he thinks that had a lot
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  to do with why they were able to make these
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  kind of insanely complex structures.
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  Speaker 3: And weird thing that I've also kind of like realized
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  after just talking to people and going down there and
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  kind of seeing some of the artifacts, a lot of
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  the psychedelics that they actually took were self harm and mutilation,
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  blood letting type activities. Really, Yeah, a lot of the
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  Aztec priests you see the pictures of them pulling a
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  chord with thorns through their private part, trying to trying
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  to trying to invoke.
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  Speaker 2: In them these I don't know visions, So just being
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  in such extreme pain and such a bizarre state of
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  mind that you transcend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which which matched up perfectly with some
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  of the Catholic world views when they when they arrived.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: When when you when you look at a lot of
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  the culture, specifically in Mexico, you see that they met.
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  They met kind of like a perfect culture, like they matched.
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  Speaker 2: In a lot of ways when the Catholics arrived.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mexicans were venerating a Mother Goddess at at
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  a grotto area in Mexico. That's where the the basilica is. Yeah,
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  some of these rituals, Yeah, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but their spine boss some spine Yeah. Yeah, and
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  there's a oh that's wrapped around his dick that looks like.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people want to go a lot of
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  people want to go take ayahuasca down there. But I
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  don't see a lot of this probably coming back or
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  maybe I don't know, but that that was that's a
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  big part of what they also did, you know, a
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  lot of blood letting pain.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of human sacrifice too.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they which a lot of people in Mexico are now, Oh,
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  it's a big exaggeration. It's like a propaganda denial. And
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  then you go there and there's like stone skull piles
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  commemorating whatever war and depictions of them, and Cody sees
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  that they themselves made of just getting sacrifice people on
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  top of the pyramids pulling out their hearts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was that one statue that's on top of
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  the pyramid, that's like a bench. They were explaining to
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  me that that's why they would sacrifice people. I mean, it.
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  Speaker 3: Makes sense even the way that in the art it's depicted.
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  You can't fake that. Most people would think you'd go
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  through the rib cage to get at the heart. No,
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  they go through the diaphragm right down here. So that's
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  why there's a lot of depictions of some of these gods,
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  like Mikantrikuti, which is the lord of the underworld in
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  the Aztecs, sometimes is depicted in with a skeletal form
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  with its hands spread out like this, and you'll see
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  a split diaphragm at the bottom coming out underneath its
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  ribcage as a signifier that you know, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they go up to grab the heart. That's where
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  they go out the heart show. Show that sculpture. That sculpture,
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  that flat bench sculpture that is like a man. It
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  looks like he's sitting on his hands and knees but
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  with his you know, torso faced upward. That one. Yeah, yeah,
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  that was the one they were explaining to me.
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  Speaker 3: And again I imagine that a lot of these things,
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  I mean, you have to interpret because there's there are
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  things out there that I don't understand. But I know
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  blood was very essential, and it was an essential thing
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  for these cultures. It's one of the most powerful offerings
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  you can make. And a lot of the Catholic side
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  of things that came into the country, that came into
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  this area just intermingled perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: You know. They also they were also talking about a
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  god that that with those skulls in the corner right
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  next to your search.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the middle there, yeah, where where the capital
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  of Mexico is right now, there's a big cathedral behind it,
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  there's a there's the Tempo mayor, the major temple of
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  the Aztec Empire, and there's a lot of those types
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  of symbologies around the just skulls, because that's where they
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  would have the sampantly I think it's called sorry if
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  I butchered the word. They would have these racks of
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  skulls on top of the pyramids, on top of their
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  central pyramid, kind of displaying all of the people that
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  had gone, you know, off it.
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  Speaker 2: And what was the story? Was it the completion of
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  Tinochit Lawn or one of the Aztec pyramids where they
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  sacrificed eighty thousand slaves. Yeah, over like whoever they had.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard I've heard like numbers of fifty thousand. I
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  have no idea how you would kind of figure out
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  those numbers, right, But you do get accounts of some
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  of the Spanish conquistathors describing the smell that some of
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  these pyramids had, which if you were into a kill house,
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  like a like a slaughterhouse, Yeah, this this this, Yeah,
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  it's like it's an uncanny. And there's something about human
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  tallow that I've also smelled and blood that is very distinct.
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  I mean, yeah, we're monkeys and we probably have some
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  genetic memory of what that smell is, and it makes
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  us want to run I guess, and they described the
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  smell and on some of these parramids when they when
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  they when they finally got into the city.
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  Speaker 2: The city.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, the Acic Empire, like these Spanish
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  peasants coming off that boat were like awestruck of when
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  they saw this city, like it had water coming into it.
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  It's super consister complex. Uh just this this uh structure
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  and culture that was uncontested there when they when they
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  got there, they were looking.
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  Speaker 2: And completely different than anything European. Yeah, so they came
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  over here and they're like, what was going on in
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  this part of the world. Yeah, what what are you
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  guys doing? Yeah? How do you have so much gold?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there was some gold, not I mean you hear
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  these stories about the city of Gold and stuff like that.
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  There was gold there, but they valued other things, you
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  know that that wasn't their main central things. It was
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  kind of puzzle about why they were so interested in
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  some of the golden regalia they had. But when the
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  when when the conquest kind of like finally kind of
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  subsided and the parties that lost were all being divided up.
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  Because that's what happened, the lords within this same culture
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  became allies of the allies of the invading forces, and
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  when they won, they were like, you're now the title
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  owner or the leader of this area. And here's the
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  royal decree.
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  Speaker 2: Sacrificial stone. Yeah, that's that's in the that's in the
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  sixty thousand human sacrill be got.
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  Speaker 3: They can see where the blood was channeled to drip
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  down from that. I think, I think, I think this
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  is I'm not sure if this is the one, but
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  there was one stone where they would tie somebody onto
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  the stone and he would fight several people until he
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  finally died. It's like a I don't know, it's like
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  a sacrifice about like a fighting sacrifice. It was a
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  different type of sacrifice they did.
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  Speaker 2: Human intelligence applied to cruelty is very bizarre. It's very
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  bizarre when you see, yeah, torture, Yeah, torture, just that
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  kind of stuff, just to what people would do for
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  just pure entertainment or ritual or to to I mean,
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  because everyone's afraid to die, So you just show death
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  in the worst form, in the most cruel and uncaring
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  sacrificial form in front of everybody, children, cutting people's hearts
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  out while they're still alive. It just keeps everybody on
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  a spectacle. Yeah, this is part of the show where
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  It's a spectacle, and I'm sure it keeps. Yeah, they're
• 21:15
  they're sacrificing people and then throwing their bodies off the side.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: People keep denying that that actually happened, but it's we
• 21:23
  I think it's the same phenomenon again in the US,
• 21:26
  where all of Native Americans were like peaceful and it
• 21:29
  was like utopia before they came in.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And yeah, but well that's one that really bothers people
• 21:36
  when they want this binary sort of analysis of North America.
• 21:40
  You know, the white people were bad and evil, which
• 21:43
  for sure they were, and they came over here and
• 21:45
  there's this good people that were just living off the
• 21:47
  lend in harmony, like not really in fact, they were
• 21:51
  killing each other. Yeah, not only that, that was their
• 21:53
  favorite thing to do where we are right now, the Comanches.
• 21:56
  All those motherfuckers did was eat meat. They didn't have
• 21:59
  any artwork. They didn't have anything other than bows and arrows.
• 22:03
  That's all they made. They made teepees, they made bows
• 22:07
  and arrows, and they fucked everybody up. And their favorite
• 22:10
  thing was to go to nearby tribes and kill everybody. Yeah,
• 22:14
  that was their fun time. They loved to And they
• 22:16
  would torture people in the most horrific ways in empire
• 22:21
  the Summer Moon, which is an amazing book on the
• 22:23
  commancheet from right in this spot. And they would take
• 22:27
  people that they captured. They would cut their arms and
• 22:30
  legs off while they were alive, so they would hold
• 22:33
  them down, immediately hack their arms and legs off, and
• 22:35
  then throw them on a bonfire to watch them wiggle,
• 22:40
  fucking yo, like you gotta be that's dark. Yeah, that's
• 22:47
  that's bloodlust. I don't know what that is.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean if you let's say, let's say they did
• 22:51
  that in front of the enemy, the enemy that they
• 22:53
  just conquered.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they would they would keep one guy alive
• 22:56
  to watch them and let him go. Ye go tell
• 22:58
  everybody psychological operations, so everybody else gets butchered. One guy
• 23:03
  that let go, You go tell everybody, no, we're out here.
• 23:07
  No no.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And also like if you think about it, some of
• 23:12
  the horrors that are still happening down south. Yeah, we
• 23:15
  sent me this message last night, of these six or seven, I'll.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Send it to Jamie because it's pretty crazy how often
• 23:26
  this stuff happens down in Mexico and how little of
• 23:29
  it we ever hear about it. We don't really hear
• 23:32
  too much about these insane mass murders that take place
• 23:37
  down there.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: There was a there was a beheading and uh down
• 23:42
  down in Mexico, and it was it's a it's a
• 23:46
  safe or not a historically safe part of Mexico that
• 23:49
  where this type of stuff doesn't happen that much. But
• 23:53
  things are changing rapidly down there. It's evolving quickly. The
• 24:01
  and and the the the culture that we have down there.
• 24:07
  I don't know, Like I do believe that there's some
• 24:10
  sort of genetic memory.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I bet there is. That makes sense. I think there's
• 24:14
  a genetic memory. Six severed head founds on the side
• 24:18
  of the road, the chilling message in one of Mexico's
• 24:19
  safest regions. And what part of Mexico.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Is this because uh, Buebla region, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, well, well,
• 24:32
  I mean it's a beautiful place.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: If you go to Buebla, visit Puebla, it's beautiful. But
• 24:37
  this is don't the wrong time. I just don't work
• 24:39
  for the cartels. I guess the the act.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: So this is an interesting thing that I heard long
• 24:46
  ago from somebody. One of the first jobs I did
• 24:51
  was cut somebody off a bridge, and one of the
• 24:56
  older guys that was with me, I was like, corr.
• 25:00
  But by this kid, you know, sixteen seventeen year old
• 25:04
  kid told me, oh, they're being kind that. I'm like,
• 25:09
  what's kind about leaving somebody hanging from a fucking bridge naked?
• 25:14
  His family's going to get something to bury at least.
• 25:18
  So it dawned on me that that was an act
• 25:21
  of kindness. So having somebody beheaded is even so it's
• 25:26
  even crueler, yeah, because now nobody they have nobody to bury. Yeah,
• 25:30
  and there's a lot of coffins with just ahead or
• 25:33
  not even that in Mexico, buried in the ground.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: But just think of how insane it has to be
• 25:37
  to where hanging someone from bridge is an act of
• 25:40
  kindness because at least you could find the body.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It is the evolution of what is considered normal in Mexico.
• 25:48
  People will get shot by the dozens, people will get
• 25:53
  displayed in this horrific and people will just go back
• 25:56
  to work. That's every day, and that's the scary part
• 26:01
  of it. I think for most of the people that
• 26:03
  live down there, is how normalized it has become. There's
• 26:06
  not that's not an abnormal thing to hear some of
• 26:09
  these things.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And this is not in terms of America our understanding
• 26:14
  of Mexico and cartel culture. This is not something that
• 26:19
  was ever talked about when I was in high school.
• 26:21
  Who was never talked about when I was a young man.
• 26:23
  It never came up. It wasn't a thing in the news.
• 26:26
  Cartel violence was not I think.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I think the first time people would start getting like
• 26:31
  an inkling of this was in the nineties when the
• 26:34
  phenomenon of this guy, adult fo Constanzo happened. This was
• 26:37
  on the this was on the border between Texas and
• 26:40
  Juadez area. He was They called him that Natanico, the
• 26:45
  Satanist narc the boy. He was a high level practitioner
• 26:51
  of something called Palo and Santaria and he would do
• 26:55
  rituals for people like in cartel's and he started his
• 26:58
  own cartel because he was pretty successful a social engineering
• 27:02
  and folk.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Magic basically is what he was doing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And at some point he started believing in his power
• 27:09
  and he instructed some of the members of his gang
• 27:11
  to abduct an American because he needed a brain for
• 27:14
  his cauldron where he would do some.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Of these rituals.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the first time Americans got a
• 27:21
  little like a small glimpse of the underground brutality, monster,
• 27:29
  religious occultism, and just torture and murder that has been
• 27:35
  going on down there for many years. But it has
• 27:40
  gotten really bad in the past twenty thirty years.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So this has always been going on in a lot
• 27:46
  of ways.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But cartel brutality, Like when did the cartels really start
• 27:53
  gaining power?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think the seventies, seventies and eighties is when they
• 27:57
  we start seeing the formation of the first large organizations
• 28:00
  and federations. They're working to produce and or to traffic
• 28:04
  substances through Mexico up into the United States.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Was it originally cocaine marijuana?
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I think originally heroin actually was at the start or
• 28:14
  the initiation of a lot of this stuff. I think
• 28:16
  where were they getting the heroin they were they were planting.
• 28:20
  They were planting poppy in the sierra for the war effort,
• 28:25
  apparently for the Americans, because they were they were running
• 28:28
  out of shortage of morphine, so they needed place to
• 28:30
  planet and that's one of the places where they kind
• 28:34
  of started like, oh, they can grow this yere and
• 28:36
  people still getting idea this was the Vietnam War, yeah around, Yeah,
• 28:40
  this is what that's Vietnam World War two era. That
• 28:46
  that's when you started seeing the initiation of like people
• 28:49
  planting certain things sixties fifteen fifty Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, Well it's like Vietnam itself is connected to heroin, Yeah,
• 28:57
  because that that's the Dirty Sea secret about why we
• 29:01
  were interested in that whole area of Vietnam and there
• 29:06
  was a trafficking area yeah, and the Golden Trine. Yeah.
• 29:09
  And coincidentally a lot of people got insanely rich somehow
• 29:13
  or another connected to that. But we had to be
• 29:16
  over there to stop communism or something.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam
• 29:22
  because it has something to do or elements of it
• 29:25
  remind you of Mexico. It is Mexico has been a
• 29:30
  place that has been ruled over by a single party
• 29:32
  for eighty years, if that the pri and then it
• 29:39
  went through its democratic period and now we have other
• 29:42
  parties coming into play. And now you have a ruling
• 29:45
  party all over Mexico called Morena. Who is you know,
• 29:49
  this is the party of the Vasos noblasos. That's how
• 29:52
  they started, you know, hugs not bullets against the cartel's
• 29:55
  policy which allowed them to grow and also super effective.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Hugs not bullets. Uh.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: But this is coming off a Mexico as liberals too,
• 30:04
  I guess.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Mexico's three Mexico three things. Southern Mexico, that's that's rural Mexico,
• 30:11
  Central Mexico. That's where all the all the woke comes from,
• 30:15
  the capital of Mexico. That's where that's where all the
• 30:18
  general pronouns get issued into law. That's where violence against
• 30:22
  women specifically and feminicide is now a new think catalog.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Under the law.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You can kill a dude, you're smiled, but if you
• 30:30
  kill a woman, that's feminis side, which.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Is way worse.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: So it's that's where a lot of that, a lot
• 30:36
  of that policy comes from. And then northern Mexico where
• 30:38
  I'm from. That's where I guess conservative. That's where all
• 30:44
  the factories are. That's where all the people, the hard work,
• 30:48
  hardworking people and uh, people that kind of like go
• 30:51
  the other side of the politics that are woke. That
• 30:53
  used to be the case, but now Modena is all
• 30:56
  ruling all over the country and a lot of the
• 30:59
  po they're bringing with them or you know, to the left.
• 31:04
  Mexico was very tired from the drug war that it
• 31:06
  had been going on for twenty years that I.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Was a part of for twelve of those years.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: They saw Philippick called their own bring the military into
• 31:16
  this fight to fight the cartels and just.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Kicking a giant bee hive.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: He had really thic He really didn't have a clue
• 31:23
  what he was about to kind of kick off. He
• 31:27
  had the idea that if you just put the military out,
• 31:29
  you know, which are not corrupted, Well he thought they
• 31:33
  were not corrupted, and you militarized a lot of the
• 31:36
  policing going on around it, you can eliminate all these
• 31:39
  cartel members like, oh, just this guy's gone, this guy's gone,
• 31:42
  and we're going to just now secure this area in control.
• 31:45
  But it's been just basically gremlins. You know, one gremlin
• 31:50
  will turn into four or five. You cut one head
• 31:52
  off and it's a hydra. Just a bunch of heads
• 31:55
  come out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So Mexico has been going through that for a while,
• 31:58
  and then this president comes and lopes ovverdor with this planet, like,
• 32:03
  we'll just leave them alone and they'll they'll they'll stop.
• 32:08
  Violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: How that work?
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: He has one of the most violent presidencies in history.
• 32:19
  His main he criticizes Kyle Lenron, who started this drug war,
• 32:23
  over his handling of it. Out he out matches him
• 32:27
  from death during his administration. What we saw in his
• 32:31
  administration was the political politicalization. And they were already in politics,
• 32:36
  but they now they're really overt about it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Cartels are like they have their own candidates running for office.
• 32:43
  The mayor of a city and the police chief of
• 32:45
  the city. They're all cartel members, and the police force
• 32:47
  they're all called cartel members in parts of Mexico. Boy,
• 32:50
  all of the political killings that happen in Mexico don't
• 32:52
  happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedy's out
• 32:55
  there that are trying to change things right. It's because
• 32:58
  that cartel is sponsoring that kind of and this cartels
• 33:01
  found on that candidate. So I don't want your candidate
• 33:03
  to win, so I'm gonna go shoot them.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Well, there was some insane amount of murders during the
• 33:08
  last election, wasn't it like thirty plus murders. See if
• 33:12
  you can find out how many murders there was, that
• 33:14
  sounds about so it sounds about right. It is.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Again, these criminal organizations have politicized. They figured out that,
• 33:23
  you know, how can we operate in this region without
• 33:26
  having too much issues? Right, Let's put let's make the
• 33:30
  mayor our guy. Right, let's elect the governor.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So we like to think that we're innocent over here.
• 33:36
  But how much different is it with what we do
• 33:39
  with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people because they pay for
• 33:43
  people's campaigns, and those people get in with a specific
• 33:46
  understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through,
• 33:50
  what kind of mandates you need to make in terms
• 33:52
  of the you know, mandating the use of certain medications.
• 33:56
  It's a different type of corruption.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: It's different though, a corruption, but it's still drugs, still drugs.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Up to sixty sixty politicians in the twenty twenty
• 34:07
  four general and local elections, sixty politicians were assassinated during
• 34:11
  pre campaign and campaign periods. Fucking yo. Imagine if that
• 34:15
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  Speaker 3: And it is a clear sign that whatever division people
• 35:24
  had in their heads about the cartels or of this
• 35:26
  organization here and they don't. They're not openly at least
• 35:30
  involved in any of this political stuff. And no, all
• 35:34
  that shit's gone. Something happened. Something happened last year the
• 35:39
  arrest of one of the biggest cartel heads in history
• 35:43
  from Mexico, El Mayo Sambaba. He was arrested in Texas.
• 35:49
  He flew into a private air They flew him into
• 35:50
  a private air field under pretty interesting circumstances and then
• 35:55
  handed he handed himself.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Over to the authorities. He was arrested there. I mean.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That kicked off a lot of violence in Mexico.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Why was he willing to fly in? So there's different
• 36:09
  stories around it. He's told his own story.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: He's actually talked about this many times openly with his
• 36:14
  drivers and stuff.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Like that here driving around. So he just speaks about it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: He's he's older now, he was a ghost. This is
• 36:20
  Elmayo Sambaba was the legitimate leader of the Sinaloa Cartel.
• 36:26
  The US would say that it was Chapel Guzman, not really.
• 36:31
  Sinal cartel was a federation and a lot of the bigger,
• 36:35
  older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up
• 36:38
  by this figure, Elmaio Sambada, who in fifty years was
• 36:41
  never arrested, never grabbed, never caught. You would hear about
• 36:45
  them about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew
• 36:50
  that guy is the head of the Sinala cartel, or
• 36:52
  he's the bigger guy in that organization, which is a
• 36:55
  federation of groups. Last time I was here, it was
• 37:00
  after the Kulia Kanaso, the incident where they rescued a
• 37:04
  video one of Il Chappo's sons two years ago.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: They finally got up to him.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Right the army did this operation, same thing happened. All
• 37:13
  the cartels burned the city, the block rows and stuff
• 37:16
  like that. A lot of the Special Operation soldiers died
• 37:19
  in his arrest, a few of them, and he was
• 37:22
  finally arrested and extra died to the United States. Conversations
• 37:27
  probably happened within the United States with a video when
• 37:31
  he was finally in US custody and El Chappa Guzman
• 37:35
  is in a hole and he's not going to get
• 37:36
  it out of the hole. His sons probably figured out
• 37:40
  that if they don't want to get into a hole too,
• 37:42
  they probably need to cut a deal, and I think
• 37:45
  and the theory is that that deal probably included handing
• 37:49
  over the head of the Senor Low Cartel Mayo Sambala.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Saught by US law enforcement for more than two decades.
• 37:57
  He was taken into custody after arriving in a private
• 37:59
  plane at Texas This airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez.
• 38:03
  Guzman Lopez is pleaded not guilty to federals not guilty
• 38:07
  to federal drug trafficking charges in Chicago. His brother a
• 38:11
  video Guzman Lopez pleaded guilty last month. Zimbada said that
• 38:15
  he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the US
• 38:17
  by Guzman Lopez, whose lawyer denies those claims.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: So this is the the shady stuff that happened. Elmayo
• 38:26
  gets gets brought into a meeting in Sineloa by by
• 38:32
  by Joaquin, who is He's not one of the he's
• 38:36
  not really into the drug he's not one of the
• 38:39
  powerful brothers of the Chappo Guzman brothers that are in
• 38:42
  the drug trade. He's kind of like wanding out basically.
• 38:45
  So at some point he cuts a deal and in
• 38:47
  this deal he said I'm gonna get this guy on
• 38:50
  a plane and I'm gonna fly him over, you know,
• 38:52
  and we're gonna make a deal.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: That's the story.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, he has him. He has Elmaya come into a
• 38:59
  meeting between the governor of Sinaloa, which is known publicly.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: People know this.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: The governor of Senlaw was going to be in the
• 39:05
  meeting with Olmayos and Edum Sinelal Cartel, who is a
• 39:08
  member of Moriana, the current ruling party all over the country.
• 39:11
  Also no investigation. Also he's still in power, which is
• 39:13
  jad as fucked between him and a man named Gwen
• 39:17
  who was I think he was the director of the
• 39:20
  university there. They had some sort of political dispute and
• 39:22
  Elmaia was being brought into I don't know, negotiate or
• 39:28
  influence that, which tells you a lot about how the
• 39:33
  cartels and politics and the universities are tied. Right at
• 39:38
  that meeting, Namessia Quin who is Quen, who is the
• 39:44
  friend of Elmayo, the guy who's the director of the
• 39:46
  university gets killed. They shoot him. There's a video published
• 39:52
  of a gas station shootout where supposedly this man who
• 39:56
  is the director of the university gets killed, but it's
• 40:00
  fucking made up by the state prosecutor. You know, they're trying,
• 40:02
  they're trying to make this shit go away. Meanwhile all
• 40:06
  this stuff starts unraveling. Oh, the abducted El Maayo at
• 40:09
  that meeting, and that's way they kill this guy. We
• 40:13
  don't know or there at least I don't know if
• 40:15
  there's any specific confirmation that the governor of Singing Law
• 40:18
  was there, but he said he went to the US.
• 40:22
  He was in the US. He wasn't there, but there's
• 40:24
  no travelogs of him being in the US. It's a
• 40:28
  it's a shit show. They somehow overtake his bodyguards, El
• 40:35
  Mayo's bodyguards. They're gone. Nobody knows where they went, probably
• 40:38
  dead somewhere, got El Mayo on a plane and flew
• 40:43
  him into Texas. Homeland Security was apparently involved. FBI says
• 40:48
  that they may have been involved. But I was taught
• 40:52
  when last time I was here, I was talking about
• 40:54
  at some point we're going.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: To see either a direct US.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Intervene or military action in Mexico that's going to kick
• 41:02
  off things, and I think that was it. After that happened,
• 41:08
  El Chapel Guzman's sons cut deals seventeen members of the
• 41:12
  Guzman family were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the
• 41:17
  border with suitcases and were put into FBI vans and suitcases. Yeah,
• 41:26
  they're moved. They rescued their family members, and they took
• 41:29
  him out of the country. So they're in the US somewhere.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Under some kind of protective customers. Yeah, of course.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: And if you want to talk about people that know everything,
• 41:42
  like all the ins and outs El Mayo's and Bolas
• 41:45
  want he's the guy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: He knows. Where is he being detained.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I think he's in New York and I think he
• 41:51
  just declared himself guilty and he's probably going to cut
• 41:53
  a deal. He's older, he's a diabetic, he's he's he's
• 42:00
  not going to spend life in prison. Ochapo Guzman went the.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Which is wild when you think about how long he
• 42:06
  was running ship and how many people.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Died and how many drugs got He learned his trade
• 42:11
  craft from uh. He learned his trade craft in La Uh.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Here it is. It's August twenty fifth, so it's soon.
• 42:17
  A Brooklyn federal judge on Monday scheduled August twenty fifth
• 42:20
  change of plea hearing for Zambada, longtime leader of Mexico
• 42:24
  Sin and loa cartel. Development comes two weeks after federal
• 42:26
  prosecutors said they wouldn't seek the death penalty against him.
• 42:30
  There's a deal there and and I don't they're gonna
• 42:33
  put him in the same prison as Glenn Maxwell. I
• 42:36
  don't see him jogging, but yeah, probably doing yoga, y
• 42:40
  portal this this, there's a deal coming and I.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: There's a there's this sense in the US that, you know,
• 42:51
  Trump came into power and declared these organizations terrorists organizations,
• 42:57
  and there was an ex there was an expectation that
• 42:59
  that meant gloves off and going to see military action
• 43:03
  pretty soon. But what we've seen has been a very
• 43:07
  calculated surgical operation. It looks like I don't know, I mean,
• 43:12
  you see, they took out the head of the Sinaloa cartel,
• 43:15
  and Sinaloa has been on fire ever since. It is
• 43:20
  open warfare between the last remaining sons of Otapo Guzman
• 43:24
  and the sons of Amayo, who are now I've seen video.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It's bananas. It is a war zone on the streets.
• 43:31
  See if you can find some of that Sinaloa video, Jamie,
• 43:34
  because it is shocking. When when when when that? When?
• 43:39
  When this?
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: When this war kicked off between these two factions in Sinaloa,
• 43:45
  schools closed, you know, people didn't want to go out
• 43:48
  because the cars were going to get jacked, to get
• 43:49
  burned and put in.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: The middle of the street. Companies closed all of the.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Luxury environment around these criminal organizations that they built up.
• 43:59
  I mean, these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton
• 44:02
  stores and click on, you know, and and an exotic car,
• 44:07
  exotic cars being sold and in store and in these dealerships,
• 44:12
  and all of the bands that would play live music
• 44:15
  at their places, and all these sea exotic seafood plays.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It's all these places just.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: And how how are they going to sustain themselves? Now
• 44:24
  this economy started crashing and it's it's uh. The Mexican
• 44:28
  government comes out, the president, the Besidenta, the current president, Shamebaum,
• 44:34
  comes out and she blames this state being on fire.
• 44:42
  The US, like the US came in here and abducted
• 44:46
  Elmayo Sambada, a Mexican national, and they charged Juaquin Guzman,
• 44:51
  who was involved in the operation to pick up Elmayo.
• 44:54
  They charged him with high treason in Mexico for abducting
• 44:59
  Elias and putt him in the US, which is high trees.
• 45:02
  He's charged with high trees. And so if they're abducting
• 45:04
  a drug lord, yes, whoa which.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Is like I don't know, like I'm doing the math
• 45:09
  on all that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Wow, but you have this, you have the situation now
• 45:13
  where she's blaming the US for basically cause those stability.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Give me some volume on this. Oh, this is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: This is this is the members of Almayo's family shooting
• 45:26
  up all the luxury houses of those Chapitos.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Geese. I hope these guys are using ear protection. No,
• 45:37
  they're not. We'll talk about that in a bit. Yeah,
• 45:40
  you can probably sneak up on all those fuckers. They're
• 45:43
  probably all deaf.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: But they're basically shooting up all the luxury apartments that
• 45:47
  they know are owned by the Chappos in that area.
• 45:57
  They love one hundred round drum magazines in Mexico for
• 46:01
  some reason.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: That's a fifty cow with no hearing protection. Why you
• 46:05
  don't need it? How many of those guys are deaf?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, and a lot of them have a severe hearing
• 46:12
  locks and a lot I recently went to Halisco with
• 46:17
  a friend of mine, who's a He has a YouTube
• 46:19
  channel called The Connect Johnny Mitchell. He talks to drug
• 46:23
  dealers and like people in the in that life. There's
• 46:26
  a friend of mine in Mexico and who's he's basically
• 46:29
  the Mexican Sean Ryan GOFE four to two three is
• 46:34
  his handle, and he interviews like cartel members and people
• 46:39
  from that life.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And do they wear masks? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: We talked to a kid that was six months out
• 46:48
  of working with the what is currently I think priority
• 46:52
  number one should be priority number one for the US.
• 46:55
  The new generation cartel, this militarized cartel, a lot of
• 46:58
  Hallisco that has been with this war going on between
• 47:01
  the SNL all factions. I mean it's Christmas for them.
• 47:06
  So when when when we went down there, he introduceds
• 47:10
  to his kid who is freshly off.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Basically he was.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Involved in tank warfare on the borders between Jalisco and
• 47:21
  Secatecas against those Mayos who you see they're firing at
• 47:24
  this houses tanks. They they're making their own tanks. If
• 47:30
  you get your truck stolen up here and probably get
• 47:32
  shriven to Mexico, they're going to make a tank out
• 47:33
  of it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, they're making these uh, these artisanally made tanks basically
• 47:40
  mostly what they are are Yeah, that's a pretty old one.
• 47:44
  I think that's from the Zeta period. That's cool though
• 47:47
  it looks like a fucking mad Max vehicle. But what
• 47:50
  they do is they make these these tanks. And his
• 47:53
  job was to be in the back of one of
• 47:55
  these with a fifty cow rifle. So what they do
• 48:01
  is you'll get you'll get into a dirt road and
• 48:06
  they'll put their trucks like this with their backs turned.
• 48:10
  And I was like, why don't you just ram them
• 48:11
  with the front the engine will go out. You have
• 48:13
  to ram them with the back of the truck. So
• 48:16
  they'll just go into like this destruction, will be in
• 48:18
  the hills and shoot at each other until there's a
• 48:21
  clear winner. It's what they did. They do basically, and
• 48:26
  their main weapons are fifty caliber rifles. So they'll be
• 48:30
  in the back of the truck and they're like now, now, now,
• 48:33
  and they'll just somebody's on the radio inside the cabin
• 48:35
  trying to call out what's going on, and they'll pop
• 48:38
  out and start.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: How come no one's figured out your protection.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: They put bullets in their ears I've seen that they
• 48:47
  put like plastic things in their ears, but realistically they
• 48:52
  don't get shit, and they're expendable. That's why they don't
• 48:54
  get That's why there's no where you get like a
• 48:56
  pair of Walkers game ears on Amazon. It's not that expensive.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: No, none of that is down there. Uh.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: This kid walked us through how he was all the
• 49:06
  way from his recruitment, through his training, through this tank
• 49:10
  warfare thing that they sent him on, uh, and now
• 49:13
  and to his life where he was like why I
• 49:16
  laughed about your question about hearing protection is I was
• 49:19
  the first person that showed him what tnightas was and
• 49:22
  what hearing loss was, because he kept like what did
• 49:24
  you say?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, dude, do you have hearing loss? Like no,
• 49:29
  Like I just like, dude, you have severe hearing laws
• 49:33
  from what you went through, this is yeah. Probably this
• 49:38
  is the tanks going after each other.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's this is You'll see this in different h
• 49:43
  I mean they're fighting over drug routes basically, and and
• 49:45
  and territory and christ.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: They're so close to each other, it's it's it's steek
• 49:51
  aliber at like it's a ten foot distance. And the.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: The drones are now in all in this as well,
• 50:02
  because why not?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Of course?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: So, and the way he was a recruited is pretty interesting.
• 50:10
  He was an uber driver. This kid again, you will
• 50:14
  look at it, this kid if you found him somewhere.
• 50:16
  Just normal kid. He's twenty twenty three right now, I think,
• 50:20
  but looks like a kid. Uber driver crashes into somebody accident,
• 50:28
  doesn't have enough money to pay the extra for the insurance.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: So he's like, God, what am I going to do?
• 50:33
  You know, married, newly married? What am I going to do?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Goes on TikTok and he's an advertisement on TikTok for like, hey,
• 50:45
  you need money, this is how much we pay you
• 50:47
  if you come work with us. The cartel advertisement.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: The cartel uses TikTok.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah crude, yes, Facebook TikTok of course, but totally makes sense.
• 50:58
  But specifically TikTok is one of their biggest recruiting methods.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And it's in the open.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: It's not like like you have to access this private
• 51:06
  page and go and do this. No, it's like, hey,
• 51:08
  you want to come work for the four letters is
• 51:10
  the way they call themselves. Yeah, just call this number, right,
• 51:14
  So he called this number and he was like told
• 51:17
  to meet somebody at a bus station. He goes, meets
• 51:23
  these people at the bus station. They put them in
• 51:25
  a car, They check them like give me your phones,
• 51:28
  give me like, we don't want to be tracked, and
• 51:31
  then they drive them to a place where he.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Was they were going to be trained. I guess is
• 51:35
  what he said.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: And then cops stop them in the road, beat the
• 51:40
  ship out of all of them.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: There, torture a few of them. What are you doing?
• 51:43
  Where are you going? They don't don't tell them anything.
• 51:46
  Don't tell them anything.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: And after they got the beating of their life, they ah, good,
• 51:51
  you passed the test and now you're gonna go.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Oh. So that was what it was for. But the
• 51:57
  uniform cops were all cartel members, Oh my god, and.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: The police like all these are places where everybody's you know,
• 52:05
  on it, so it's just to see if you'll crack.
• 52:08
  He he gets driven to one of these ranches, these
• 52:13
  training camps, and it's not like you know, I remember
• 52:16
  seeing the al Qaeda training camps or the guys are
• 52:18
  on the monkey bars and stuff like that. These are
• 52:21
  military compounds that are that are in the sierras and
• 52:25
  in the mountains. There was a case recently where they
• 52:28
  thought they found these mass graves that turned out to
• 52:30
  be actually training camp. There were dead people there, but
• 52:32
  there was they found all these shoes that Mexican they
• 52:35
  were calling Mexican Auschwitz. But what they actually found is
• 52:40
  a processing space. Like you go there and they strip
• 52:43
  off all your clothes and your shoes and they leave
• 52:45
  them there because they give you new shoes because they
• 52:46
  don't want to be tracked. So it was one of
• 52:48
  those process in places. So you ended and then and
• 52:52
  you then end up in some of the training camps.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: He describes.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Active duty military personnel training them in the hills, Mexican
• 53:03
  military personnel training them in the hills. Former special operators
• 53:07
  from Colombia, former special operators from Mexico.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Some from America as well.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Right, there's rumors and again I have not talked directly
• 53:17
  to anybody that knows of that has had eyes on them,
• 53:21
  but there are rumors of at least two American specialists
• 53:27
  of some sort.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Because I've heard delta forests and seals and.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but there is a clear uh communication
• 53:36
  of methods and technology. I d's are a thing in
• 53:40
  Mexico now, like IDs are very reminiscent of things that
• 53:44
  you would see in Afghanistan in Iraq. And the only
• 53:47
  way that they come over here is not from an
• 53:48
  Afghanian and Iraqi coming over and showing us how to
• 53:51
  do IDs is probably a eodtach of some sort from
• 53:54
  the US that has some experiences know how to.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Make some of these.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: That's one where That's one place where they were learning
• 53:59
  their craft. Another one is Columbia. Uh, Colombians. Colombian operators
• 54:05
  have been been showing up in weird parts of the
• 54:07
  world fighting. I mean they're they're in the Ukrainian War
• 54:09
  right now learning about drone technology. Some of the some
• 54:12
  of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in
• 54:14
  the Ukrainian Front are now back in Mexico showing the
• 54:17
  cartels how to what they learned about drone warfare in
• 54:19
  the Ukraine War.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: WHOA.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: So this kid describes as training camp where it's the army.
• 54:26
  People are marching around, people are in uniform, people are
• 54:29
  getting trained and you they'll get people bring brought into
• 54:33
  this training camp and like hey, let's see if you're worthy,
• 54:38
  and they'll give you a gun and like kill, just kill. Yeah,
• 54:45
  And this kid describes how that's that's the first duty.
• 54:47
  He killed, just an arn armed dude that he was
• 54:49
  dragged to that camp. So they just drag a dude
• 54:53
  just to see if you're capable of take one of them.
• 54:54
  I think he was one of the guys that tried
• 54:56
  to run because it's it's I mean, it's like it's
• 55:00
  I say, it's like the military. But they'll kill you
• 55:02
  there if you fucking fuck up, or they'll beat you,
• 55:05
  or they'll beat you, flog you.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: It is a job. It is. It is like a
• 55:11
  structured job.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: You get, you get you get money paid to you
• 55:15
  every every keen sanna every fifteen days, and a bonus
• 55:18
  at the end of the month. You get equipment, you know,
• 55:21
  you get selected for certain activities. He was selected for
• 55:24
  tank duty and they sent him on his fucking tact
• 55:26
  to fight in the hills. Some people get selected to
• 55:30
  manage some of their drug stores. Some people get managed
• 55:34
  to just be lookouts. But it's a giant network of
• 55:38
  people that they've managed to create for themselves in this region,
• 55:43
  this new generation cartel. It's one of the largest and
• 55:45
  fastest growing cartels in Mexico and it is now probably
• 55:50
  operating all over Mexico.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: And recruiting people on TikTok.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Most of their recruiting is through TikTok, yes openly, and
• 55:59
  again it's not it's not you don't have to search
• 56:01
  for it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: It's there.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: People smugglers advertise on TikTok constantly as well, Like they'll
• 56:08
  have videos of people here in Texas that went through
• 56:11
  the board recently and with a newspaper like, hey, I'm
• 56:14
  in Texas now look at the newspaper and like they were,
• 56:17
  but they were in Mexico like a few hours later,
• 56:19
  a few hours before with the newspaper, and like this
• 56:22
  is how olool is the best smuggler out there.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Hire him for like a like a safe crossing. This
• 56:28
  is on TikTok.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: I mean it's in the open people. People, people don't
• 56:35
  realize how how big of a tool that's being utilized
• 56:38
  in Mexico is a recruiting tool, it's propaganda tool as well.
• 56:42
  That's what they'll talk ship to each other through that medium.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: How did this kid get out? He ran?
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I think he managed to prove himself a bit and
• 56:53
  he managed to get the favor of one of their
• 56:57
  leaders and he told them like, hey, I know you
• 57:00
  don't want to be here, leave your ship and run.
• 57:03
  I guess, don't don't come back. Don't look better.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Also, they let him run. They let him run, but
• 57:08
  not everybody gets that opportunity. So it was just somebody
• 57:11
  who liked him. Maybe he got he got he got.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: He said, he worked well in that organization, he got
• 57:18
  favor and eventually he said, you know, I have a
• 57:20
  wife and a kid that I need to get back to.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Is that is there a way let him go? How
• 57:24
  long was he being held?
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I think he said something about six or eight months,
• 57:31
  and he went through some ship. Most of what he
• 57:35
  went through was and the border between Halis Concateca is
• 57:39
  where the Mayos are trying to fight over that territory.
• 57:42
  It's basically one of the corridors up into the border
• 57:44
  region of Mexico through Mexico, so that's people are always
• 57:48
  fighting over these regions. He came back with PTSD hearing laws,
• 57:57
  and again all these things are unknown, and he's a
• 57:58
  Mexican kid without health insurance. How is he going to
• 58:01
  know any of these things?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: When I talked to him for a bed, he was like,
• 58:05
  oh that makes sense, Like, yeah, do you drink a lot? Yeah,
• 58:08
  I know why I used to drink a shit ton.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Nightmares, Yeah, like rage moments. Yeah, like this sounds like
• 58:18
  you have PTSD, dude, Like sit down.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So but he's one in a thousand, thousands.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Of kids like that out there who are gone through
• 58:29
  some of these things, both on the military and police
• 58:32
  side and also the cartel side, highly traumatized individuals that
• 58:35
  just but there's no there's nothing for them down there.
• 58:39
  If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble.
• 58:42
  If they look for help, there's no help out there.
• 58:44
  So this kid is trying to reform his life with
• 58:47
  all this fucking damage in him. He lost his family
• 58:51
  that he fought so much to get back to, which
• 58:57
  is you know these it's just it's.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: One small, one small.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Story and tragedy of But you go to Jalisco and
• 59:06
  they have a roundabout there in Jalisco, it's load this
• 59:09
  up at Sias where the missing are and it's covered
• 59:13
  in posters of missing people.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: In Walajara, it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Is like one of those zombie movies where they have
• 59:19
  all these but like the where the all the missing
• 59:21
  people posters on them because zombie outbreak happened. It's like that,
• 59:25
  except it's people one hundred or one hundred thousand according
• 59:30
  to official numbers in Mexico. As far as missing, it's gone.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: And that's another aspect of this, this this war that
• 59:42
  people don't kind of like realize the numbers are skewed,
• 59:46
  you know, because there's no there's no confirmed dead person
• 59:51
  for a number of the amount of people murdered.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: If there's no body, and Mexico.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Has become very good at getting rid of bodies, the
• 59:58
  cultures in Mexico. I was in Kuahila working with a
• 1:00:03
  with a with a tactical group out there. They they
• 1:00:07
  they they showed me. I mean, I'm always learning from people.
• 1:00:12
  Different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Some just burn them, just throw flee fuel on them
• 1:00:18
  to see if they can burn. In this part of
• 1:00:20
  the country, Cohila, which is on the east side of
• 1:00:22
  the country, they will heat up fuel drums with diesel
• 1:00:27
  inside of them, and diesels diesel can get really hot
• 1:00:31
  without igniting. And that's where they put the bodies inside,
• 1:00:34
  basically boil them down to their essential essence and there's
• 1:00:39
  nothing to find, is what they tell me. With that process,
• 1:00:44
  you go to my hometown of Tijuana, that's where.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: We have billing cauldrons of diesel to dispose bodies.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: And then you go to Tijuana where I'm from, and
• 1:00:54
  then you have the phenomena of a phenomena of a
• 1:00:57
  possolero who would get rid of people with caustic soda,
• 1:01:01
  just the mixture of chemicals that you could bind find
• 1:01:04
  at a hardware store and they would make people into
• 1:01:07
  pink slurry and then just dump the pink flurry in
• 1:01:09
  a hole and just cover it up. So the numbers
• 1:01:12
  that we see as far as dead and dead and missing,
• 1:01:14
  there's there's it's it's not a real number.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Has to be bigger, you know. It's it is.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: It is a place where you'll go into some towns
• 1:01:24
  and there's just a bunch of old men and females
• 1:01:27
  because all the old men are god, you know.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Uh. Or you'll see.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: You'll see like these abandoned graves in some places. There
• 1:01:37
  was I talked to a lady who's a part of
• 1:01:39
  some of these.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: There's these organizations all over the country right now. There
• 1:01:43
  are grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding
• 1:01:47
  clandestine body disposal places. They're looking for their family members. Basically, Ah,
• 1:01:54
  how do you say that word?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Is a guery? Uh?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: That yeah, that's a that's uh, that's that's the one
• 1:02:01
  I told you.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: People were trying to make it seem like this was
• 1:02:04
  like an extermination gap.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: How do you say the word high concentrations of ashes,
• 1:02:10
  the presence of clandestine crematoriums.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bodies were disposed of there, not at the volume
• 1:02:17
  of an Auschwitz level thing, but yeah, there were definitely
• 1:02:21
  people getting burned there.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: So they're just killing people all the time.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean body disposal to a level where there's
• 1:02:29
  nothing left is something you do in a place where
• 1:02:31
  you're worried about the government catching it.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: But this is this is Gualahara.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: This is at least because it's a new generation cartel territory,
• 1:02:38
  they're not worried about body abound there's no for the
• 1:02:42
  forensic services in some of these places are like here,
• 1:02:46
  here's some spent casings from this murder.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, just throw them in this hill of
• 1:02:52
  the giant hill of casings that they have in this
• 1:02:54
  evidence locker. Right, they're overwhelmed. There's no Also, he can't
• 1:03:00
  solve any crimes. You're dead ninety percent of all. Imagine
• 1:03:04
  your job. If you do it well, you're dead. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:03:08
  You're not gonna do it well. All murders in Mexico
• 1:03:11
  never saw maybe a bit over that. So it's.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: You.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: You have this cartel now that is you know, you
• 1:03:26
  have elmilesbod is gone. Ol Chappo's sons are cutting a deal.
• 1:03:30
  One of them apparently has made an alliance with the
• 1:03:34
  head of the new generation card element by Emento is
• 1:03:38
  the nickname is Elmento and Avant this is his real name.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Last time I was here, there was like this. Almost
• 1:03:45
  five years ago I was here. There were questions about
• 1:03:47
  if he was even alive or not. You know, people
• 1:03:49
  thought that it was like being kept alive as its
• 1:03:52
  folk figure because he's low key, very low key, not
• 1:03:58
  like he's not flashy. Everything's military rise, he's very good
• 1:04:01
  at his trade draft. But recently, you know, he's very
• 1:04:06
  much alive. He's very much exposed himself a few times.
• 1:04:10
  He was almost arrested recently and the federal police apparently
• 1:04:13
  tipped off his security about the operation against him. It's
• 1:04:17
  the second time he was almost arrested. Uh, he's the
• 1:04:20
  biggest target.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Right now in Mexico.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: We recently learned through the media of the Trump's authorization
• 1:04:28
  of utilizing military action in Latin America in general. You know,
• 1:04:33
  all the way from Venezuela all the way up to Mexico,
• 1:04:37
  and you know, you hear the rumblings of like, how
• 1:04:39
  is this military operation going to look like?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Is this going to be an invasion?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: You know, are we going to see like a column
• 1:04:44
  of US marines driving down to Tijuana. We'll probably getting
• 1:04:48
  spent some time in Tijuana for it's probably not a
• 1:04:51
  good idea. Are we going to see like people Delta
• 1:04:55
  Force guys showing up in Tijuana and Cooliacan and going
• 1:04:59
  on a aid on their own without permission of the
• 1:05:02
  local authorities. What's this going to look like? I don't
• 1:05:07
  see a direct trust between Mexico and the Mexico and
• 1:05:12
  the United States anymore. There's like there's issues there. The
• 1:05:16
  US has realized that politics are are compromised at high
• 1:05:20
  level in Mexico completely with the example of the recent
• 1:05:24
  almost arrest of the messios I guess servantelemento, you see
• 1:05:28
  that the federal forces are compromised as well. So like,
• 1:05:32
  who do you trust as an American force that is
• 1:05:34
  trying to cut the stem of drugs into this country.
• 1:05:39
  Is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation.
• 1:05:43
  And who do you trust down there? I posted I'm
• 1:05:51
  friends with a bunch of dorks and they're all looking
• 1:05:53
  at flight tracker and intelligence and stuff like that, and
• 1:05:55
  I'm a dork too, And one of them sent me this,
• 1:05:58
  this the suspicious drone, American drone flying over the state
• 1:06:03
  of Mexico in circles, and I posted it immediately, you know,
• 1:06:07
  I think I was one of the first ones to
• 1:06:08
  post it online. And the press briefing happened almost immediately,
• 1:06:14
  and the head of Public Safety in Mexico, Oh who
• 1:06:17
  said like, oh, yeah, this.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Is we asked for this drone to fly over this area.
• 1:06:23
  Who did you ask?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: This is not a military drone, but we asked for
• 1:06:27
  it to fly over this area, which I don't think
• 1:06:31
  he knows.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: What's fucking what the fuck's going on? I don't know why.
• 1:06:33
  I don't think.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think he knows why there's a drone flying
• 1:06:36
  out over a very specific part of Mexico.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: It seemed like he didn't or either he didn't want
• 1:06:41
  to reveal this drone or but there have been many
• 1:06:46
  times recently of drones just flying close to the close
• 1:06:49
  to the border or over over Mexico. They're clearly drawing
• 1:06:53
  a map, an intelligence map of targets in Mexico.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Till something is coming. I think, whoa, But what is
• 1:07:01
  it going to look like? Though?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: The question that people are asking, I don't know. Speaking
• 1:07:07
  to somebody like Gafe down in Mexico, he was a
• 1:07:11
  former member of the Special Operations and I asked him, like, hey,
• 1:07:16
  what is the military going to do with the US
• 1:07:17
  as like we're going in without your approval? He said, well,
• 1:07:25
  if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the
• 1:07:29
  Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters.
• 1:07:35
  And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways
• 1:07:38
  because some of them are working for them and some
• 1:07:40
  of them are working for us. So you will make
• 1:07:42
  the whole cohesive force against you. Oh boy, which is
• 1:07:48
  an interesting theory. You know, if that happens, it seems
• 1:07:52
  likely it does.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, because there's like anti US sentiment already it is,
• 1:07:58
  and then also the closing of the book Orders and
• 1:08:00
  it's a perfect storm. I mean, Trump is.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Divisive, and in Mexico, he has been turned into this
• 1:08:10
  very clear, uh like enemy, like this is the enemy,
• 1:08:15
  you know, specifically by politicians down there. He's pretty easy
• 1:08:19
  to just vilify, like it's as a fault.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: You know, why is cin Ala on fire?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who
• 1:08:27
  was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that, who's
• 1:08:29
  part of your party, but you haven't figured out how
• 1:08:31
  to get him out office. Maybe it's at or No,
• 1:08:33
  it's the US because they abducted Almaia. That's why that
• 1:08:36
  place is on fire. They charge someone with trees and
• 1:08:39
  that's why they charge somebody with high treason, which is
• 1:08:42
  unheard of. But there you go, so like, who who
• 1:08:47
  are you going to trust in that realm? And so
• 1:08:50
  Mexico has pressed the whole the US is responsible for this,
• 1:08:55
  and they're kind of wiping their hands from it. And
• 1:08:58
  the US is keeps pointing their finger at high level government,
• 1:09:01
  which is something. Again five years ago, I spoke about
• 1:09:04
  this on this podcast, and I got a lot of
• 1:09:06
  shit for it. I said, there's no way of going
• 1:09:09
  after cartels in Mexico without going after the government, because
• 1:09:14
  they're one and the same in a lot of places.
• 1:09:16
  And that was back then, and now it's even more clear.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: As how ti they are if nothing happens, if the
• 1:09:22
  United States doesn't do anything, how much bigger can the
• 1:09:27
  cartels get? This is the question. It's like, what is
• 1:09:31
  going to happen to just this entire country? This?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: If you have a if you have and this is
• 1:09:42
  what that That's why you have a lot of conflicts
• 1:09:44
  happening in routes that are leading towards the border. The
• 1:09:49
  scene long cartel operated in a very old fashioned way.
• 1:09:52
  You know, they wouldn't know and the comas it was
• 1:09:55
  their politics. Don't ship where you eat was their politics.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: For a long time.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: You saw a change in this when the brutality aspect
• 1:10:08
  and how just shit changed. In Mexico, there was an
• 1:10:11
  incident members of those Ariano Felix cartel, a Tijuana cartel,
• 1:10:16
  were in a direct conflict with elements of Ol Chapo
• 1:10:18
  Guzman's organization, and.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: They had a assassin.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: They had an assassin basically infiltrate the living circle of
• 1:10:34
  one of El Chapo's main guys of what Obama, and
• 1:10:38
  he seduced his wife, killed her, and abducted his kids
• 1:10:43
  and threw them off a bridge and sent that video
• 1:10:46
  to a litt opama. And I think after the I mean,
• 1:10:51
  brutal shit had happened after that before that, but I
• 1:10:54
  think that set off this.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: At some point that.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Whole war that happened. You know, you start getting the
• 1:11:07
  element of the set that's coming in. Who were former
• 1:11:09
  Special Operator guys who basically said, like, we can start
• 1:11:12
  our own cartel, which a lot of them were Fort
• 1:11:14
  Bragg trained individuals that went down. You know, some of
• 1:11:19
  them went through the Green Beret course. Four Nationals go
• 1:11:23
  through that course a lot. So they went to the
• 1:11:25
  Green Beery course, and then they go back to Mexico.
• 1:11:27
  And then as soon as they get back to Mexico, like, oh,
• 1:11:29
  congratulations on your cool green beret and all this training.
• 1:11:33
  Come train hard guys or come.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Work for us.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: So at some point all of this started militarizing the
• 1:11:43
  conflict in Mexico. It went from gang against gang violence,
• 1:11:48
  which is like very reminiscent of some of the stuff
• 1:11:49
  that happened up here during the Gang era or some
• 1:11:53
  of the al Capone era, you know, shootouts between people.
• 1:12:00
  The zetas change the game. They started bringing in guerrilla
• 1:12:05
  warfare tactics into the into into this realm. They started
• 1:12:09
  doing all of those torture videos and cartel execution videos.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: That's that that comes from them.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: They realized that, you know, part of a gorilla warfare
• 1:12:19
  campaign is propaganda, and how can you make proppaganda of
• 1:12:23
  shooting a guy in a field, right filma?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: So they changed that game.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: They started realizing that, yeah, it's one thing having a
• 1:12:32
  kid with like sneakers on the back of a truck
• 1:12:34
  with an ak whose dad was part of the organization
• 1:12:37
  and he brought his kid in, but it's probably a
• 1:12:40
  better idea to have militarized or paramilitary groups working with us,
• 1:12:44
  you know. So they started getting these evolutions of ideas
• 1:12:47
  of what a criminal organization should be.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: And all of that. You know.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: The members of the new generation cartel that are now
• 1:12:56
  kind of like dominating Mexico started off as a zeta
• 1:13:00
  hunting force by the Zeno Law cartel formed in Jalisco,
• 1:13:05
  and they said like, well, we can do this for
• 1:13:07
  ourselves now too as well. So that's how they originated
• 1:13:10
  in a lot of ways. So this organization has taken
• 1:13:14
  the textbook learning process of all these other cartels and
• 1:13:17
  is now this cartel with all this foundation, educational foundation,
• 1:13:22
  as far as how to set up an organization, how
• 1:13:24
  to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate
• 1:13:27
  on both sides of the border, how to augment their
• 1:13:30
  capabilities constantly through technology. Drone warfare was first seen, I
• 1:13:39
  think in Mexico. You start you saw drone shopping bombs
• 1:13:42
  and shit like that in Mexico before the Ukrainian conflict.
• 1:13:46
  But they got really good at it. The Ukrainians have
• 1:13:49
  fucking taken that shit to an art form. There are
• 1:13:52
  Mexican nationals fighting for their foreign services, their foreign brigades
• 1:13:56
  in the Ukraine, and some of them have gone into
• 1:13:58
  that route and some of them are coming back. And
• 1:14:04
  you started seeing this sudden sophistication. It used to be
• 1:14:08
  bomblets dropped from these commercial drones and the explosives and
• 1:14:11
  the more probably mining level explosives. You started seeing these
• 1:14:16
  these the bomblets made and they were more reminiscent of
• 1:14:20
  Colombian explosives or IRA era explosives. And now you're seeing
• 1:14:26
  these coordinated drone attacks on military forces in Mexico. I
• 1:14:30
  think they recently got some high level army official. They
• 1:14:35
  got them with a drone. Didn't kill them, but almost
• 1:14:37
  they almost killed them. So we started seeing these drone
• 1:14:41
  now being drones, now being operated as scouts, so you
• 1:14:45
  can't get close to them because the drones are in
• 1:14:47
  the sky. So now you're seeing drone cartels fighting against
• 1:14:51
  other cartel drones. So that I was seeing cartel guys
• 1:14:54
  with these futuristic drone anti drone guns in the field.
• 1:14:59
  It looked like space but on the hands of a
• 1:15:01
  cartel guy wearing like sandals, which is what's going What
• 1:15:05
  the fuck is going on with these people? So you
• 1:15:08
  start seeing all this augmentation of capabilities. This single cartel
• 1:15:13
  now has all of this history behind it, all of
• 1:15:15
  these lessons behind it, all this training, behind all this technology,
• 1:15:20
  and it is poised to make punch a hole right
• 1:15:23
  through his territory and go up.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: North into the United States.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Right there are no segments of the border wall currently
• 1:15:32
  that are actually controlled or a city that is controlled
• 1:15:36
  by the new generation cartel that is on the border.
• 1:15:39
  That's not the case now, but there are places that
• 1:15:43
  are starting to maybe look like they're going that way,
• 1:15:46
  Tijuana being one of them where I'm from. You start
• 1:15:50
  seeing the last remaining suns of ol Chappa Guzma that
• 1:15:54
  are free. Archievaldo is the strongest one and his faction
• 1:15:58
  of those chappitos as what they all themselves. This past
• 1:16:02
  year announced that they had reached an alliance with this
• 1:16:05
  new cartel, this new generation cartel, so it's now it's
• 1:16:09
  a cohesive force. And they had historical ties and and
• 1:16:12
  and and a part of the border that they owned
• 1:16:15
  already that they inherited from their dad. So that nightmare
• 1:16:18
  scenario having this cartel now having a clear doorway into
• 1:16:22
  the United States is it's pretty close if it's not
• 1:16:25
  there already.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: And how wild would it be if the border was
• 1:16:28
  still wide open because they've cut down on illegal immigrants
• 1:16:32
  by some high ninety.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's way down. They're still crossing's going on.
• 1:16:37
  Oh yeah, it's it's really expensive. It's really expensive. You
• 1:16:41
  got to get that guy off TikTok.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Uh. There's a bunch of ways they
• 1:16:46
  do have.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I saw one where they were like, hey, they'll grab
• 1:16:51
  a portfolio full of copies of IDs and like, oh,
• 1:16:55
  you look like this dude, and then they'll give you
• 1:16:58
  a you know this, like just get really drunk before
• 1:17:01
  you cross and pretend you're asleep, and they'll give you
• 1:17:05
  paperwork that looks like the dude that looks like you.
• 1:17:08
  And that's how they cross up people. And that's a lot,
• 1:17:10
  it's very expensive. That's how they cross you.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Fast boats. You know.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of videos online just boats just arriving
• 1:17:17
  on the beach and just dudes jumping out.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: To classic running and run.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: There's a shortage of those wave runners. There's the shortage
• 1:17:25
  of them in Mexico because they just buy them just
• 1:17:27
  a well short trip.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you think, if you're you get on
• 1:17:30
  one in Tijuana and you hop over to San Diego,
• 1:17:33
  it's not that far.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: No, and and and then and they'll swarm it. Now
• 1:17:37
  they'll do many of those boats. And if you are
• 1:17:39
  in tj you can see off the coast. There's a
• 1:17:41
  bunch of Navy ships now off the coast there, so
• 1:17:44
  like which is a cost for alarm for a lot
• 1:17:47
  of Mexicans. The next when I say Mexicans view any
• 1:17:52
  sort of intervention by the United States with fear, although
• 1:17:56
  they are also fearful of what happens if this is
• 1:18:00
  allowed to continue in Mexico and they don't see any
• 1:18:02
  solutions from the government.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: So it seems like the opposite. It seems like it's
• 1:18:06
  going more and more towards the cartel. Yeah, so what
• 1:18:09
  would happen if the United States didn't infiltrate, if the
• 1:18:12
  United States didn't attack, if something didn't happen, if they
• 1:18:15
  just I think that's stepped away. I think we're already involved.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: You know, this, this this arrest of them, a sambada,
• 1:18:23
  this uh, this this designation that allows a lot of things,
• 1:18:27
  safety of safeties off, the type of thing against Mexico,
• 1:18:31
  against some of these cartels. What's worrying in the eyes
• 1:18:34
  of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans. I guess
• 1:18:38
  the you know, the fact that there was a promise
• 1:18:41
  of no negotiating with terrorists, or it's at least it's
• 1:18:44
  it's something that is assumed, you know, you don't negotiate
• 1:18:47
  with terrorists. It's like a thing, you know. But all
• 1:18:50
  of a sudden, one of these factions just made a deal,
• 1:18:52
  and now they they're negotiating with them, and now all
• 1:18:54
  these people are crossing that border, their family members are
• 1:18:57
  crossing that border.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Now in the safety of the United States. The dude
• 1:19:02
  that the U.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: United States made a deal with is responsible for the
• 1:19:05
  death of a few special operators that were part of
• 1:19:08
  his arrest. What what are they going to tell their
• 1:19:10
  families of that loss and why they died, you know,
• 1:19:15
  and also the piles of bodies that were around after
• 1:19:20
  both of his arrest attempts.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: So there's this trust on all sides.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Mexicans don't trust the government to solve it because it's been.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: A deal with your president. What's her deal?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Shame mom uh woke, very woke, very to the left.
• 1:19:39
  A few gorilla forces and in Central America have come
• 1:19:42
  out and said that she's one of her that she
• 1:19:44
  was one of the resistance fighters with them. Jewish Harry,
• 1:19:51
  that's kind of it is very odd from Mexico. Very
• 1:19:55
  loved by large se segments the population.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: What is there about it that she's loved, Like what
• 1:20:04
  it's about her policies or.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I think she's feeding off a lot of the love
• 1:20:08
  that they had for Amlo am Amla was our Trump.
• 1:20:13
  That's the best way of describing him. Popular, populous guy
• 1:20:18
  uh drained a swamp rhetoric like all these other guys,
• 1:20:22
  all the their the conservatives can go, they're gone, We're
• 1:20:25
  gonna win this.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: He won by a landslide.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: But he keeps talking about He kept talking about conservatives
• 1:20:32
  and the previous parties. And then but but all the
• 1:20:35
  Mariner party is made up of all these other politicians
• 1:20:37
  to switching sides and joining his party. You know, shame Mom,
• 1:20:42
  Shame Mom came in with a big job on her
• 1:20:45
  hands as far as security. She immediately reversed the whole
• 1:20:48
  of rustin Lovelasso's. I mean, there's lolssos on the table now,
• 1:20:51
  you know, I recognize that she brought into the into
• 1:20:56
  into office with her man.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: What did you mean by that? What you say? But
• 1:21:01
  as Lolaso's like hugs, not hugs, not bullets. She got
• 1:21:04
  rid of that. And now there's there's a lot more.
• 1:21:06
  There's a lot of molassos. There's more bullets.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: Now there's a man in power right now, a security
• 1:21:13
  official name mar.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Who.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: He has a sorted history in Mexico. He comes from people.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: There's there.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: He has been in circles of people that have been
• 1:21:24
  involved in some ship, but he himself has not been.
• 1:21:28
  There's nothing on him that.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: We know of.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: The super cop is what he call him. He's very
• 1:21:35
  well loved by his men. I actually talked to a
• 1:21:37
  few people that work directly with him. He seems to
• 1:21:40
  be like a guy who was willing to go up
• 1:21:42
  to task uh. And he's receiving all this pressure from
• 1:21:45
  the United States, so like we need results from you guys,
• 1:21:48
  like what are you doing? So he has had He
• 1:21:50
  has been heading up operations against some of these organizations,
• 1:21:53
  specifically in seen Aloa, and we've seen record breaking ventanyl
• 1:21:59
  seizure and high level politicians being cut up in some
• 1:22:03
  of these things. And specifically the interesting part of the
• 1:22:06
  operations he's conducting all over Mexico is he's actually going
• 1:22:09
  after municipalities. So he's going after like municipal presidents and
• 1:22:14
  some of the government local governments that are basically all corrupted.
• 1:22:17
  He realizes that, hey, where's the cartel here. Oh, the
• 1:22:20
  cartel's a government, local governments of cartels. Oh, so they
• 1:22:23
  do these mass swarm operations on some of these places
• 1:22:26
  where the arrest of police chief, the arrest of mayor.
• 1:22:29
  That this is that he's realizes that this is the
• 1:22:32
  front that he has to that will fight, because the
• 1:22:34
  cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore.
• 1:22:39
  They're inside, they're infiltrated, they're in politics, you know, and
• 1:22:43
  people think about drugs only, but drugs don't that these
• 1:22:48
  cartels are fighting for what chi call as well fuel trafficking.
• 1:22:52
  You know, there was a fan avocados avocados, if you
• 1:22:54
  go to if you, if you if you go to
• 1:22:56
  Chipotle in order extra walk, you're putting money in the
• 1:22:59
  in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the
• 1:23:02
  Famila Mitrokhana. Ow crazy is that it's a wild h
• 1:23:06
  and it's it's a fuel theft, and the fuel theft
• 1:23:09
  flout of it what she calls what they call it
• 1:23:11
  in Mexico is interesting, but that catches that that puts
• 1:23:15
  in a lot of people in the United States that
• 1:23:17
  have been involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from
• 1:23:21
  Mexico by some of these criminal organizations, putting in a
• 1:23:24
  ship and fly and then doing a lot of magic
• 1:23:27
  with the paperwork, and then it ended up ending it
• 1:23:30
  up and ending up in the US and money exchanging
• 1:23:33
  weird hands. So that's another side of it that people
• 1:23:36
  don't kind of realize.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: One of the look at this, Mexican authorities sees nearly
• 1:23:43
  four million gallons of stolen fuel ap news.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: This has been going on for years and against another
• 1:23:50
  part of the way they finance themselves. And these criminal
• 1:23:52
  organizations have been able to grow without.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah they branch out. Oh they've diversified years ago, so
• 1:23:59
  they're not just so even if you shut off the
• 1:24:01
  drugs totally, they're still making billions in low key.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Mexico has become first world in a lot of ways.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: First, we're you know, we're welcoming all your huddled masses.
• 1:24:11
  You know, Mexico is Mexico is the the statue of liberty.
• 1:24:16
  All the economic migrants that can't afford to live here
• 1:24:18
  in the US moved to Mexico. There's like giant communities
• 1:24:23
  of America's living down there. When we were in Jalisco,
• 1:24:25
  we were surprised to find liked Greingos living in the
• 1:24:28
  middle of Cartil territory.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Weren't the Mormons the first people to do that?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: There?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: There was there, there were some of the first ones
• 1:24:35
  to do some of these communities, but like xpac communities
• 1:24:37
  down in Mexico are common. Yeah, the Mormons were pretty
• 1:24:41
  big down there. Actually, Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, they you know,
• 1:24:49
  I think the last time I was here was when
• 1:24:50
  that massacre happened.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so there there Mormon compounds in Mexico. Yeah, armed. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:25:00
  they have been there since the eighteen hundreds. Yeah. Mitt
• 1:25:03
  Romney's dad was Mexican.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Romney's dad was born in Mexico. That's why he
• 1:25:09
  couldn't be president of the United States. It's wild. Yeah.
• 1:25:12
  And Mitt Romney's dad was a part of one of
• 1:25:14
  those massive encampments of armed people. Yeah, protecting Joseph Smith's ideas. Yeah. Crazy.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Also, like I remember, like when I talked about it
• 1:25:26
  on this podcast, Mormons from the US corrected me and
• 1:25:31
  said that those guys weren't real Mormons.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Oh so convenient, And I'm like I don't. Well, didn't
• 1:25:36
  they go over there because they didn't want to get
• 1:25:38
  rid of polygamy? I think so there was there was
• 1:25:40
  they should have stuck around. It's coming back. But polygamy
• 1:25:44
  is back in Toronto. Oh cool. Yeah, Canada because of Islam,
• 1:25:49
  because so many Muslims have moved to Toronto. They made
• 1:25:52
  polygamy legal again. Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't Canada recently. It was like, wow, it's pretty interesting.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good job guys. Keep at it.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: The I think Mexico is on its Mexico is probably
• 1:26:06
  the if you can invest in any country in the
• 1:26:08
  world right now, I think Mexico would be it. Really
• 1:26:12
  the industrial plant that is that that it has a
• 1:26:15
  lot of the stuff that is leaving China. It's moving
• 1:26:17
  to Mexico youth and has a consumer base that.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Is growing exponentially. So how do you get population all
• 1:26:26
  the violence? Is that possible at this point in time?
• 1:26:30
  Is it so soaked into the culture? I think it is.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: I think I think we're point a tipping point where
• 1:26:35
  the Mexican Mexican culture as in general is like sick
• 1:26:40
  of it, like.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: It's it doesn't want this yet anymore.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: We're seeing attacks on freedom of expression in Mexico in
• 1:26:46
  a way because some of these popular singers that would
• 1:26:50
  sing cartel songs are now banned from performing performing them live.
• 1:26:55
  So that's like an attack on freedom of speech. But
• 1:27:00
  population is pretty.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Cool with it though.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: They're letting it slide, so it means that they're they're
• 1:27:04
  kind of like ready to give up shit.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It became an issue in America right where there was
• 1:27:08
  a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the
• 1:27:11
  country and he has these huge sold out arena shows. Yeah,
• 1:27:14
  I mean again.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I talked about how if you're going to attack these organizations,
• 1:27:21
  you have to attack all of these or like, just
• 1:27:24
  like you attack al Qaida, you attack who finances them
• 1:27:27
  who and a lot of these A lot of these
• 1:27:30
  organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to
• 1:27:33
  launder money or to gain influence in the US or
• 1:27:36
  to sing about their exploits. They would pay them to
• 1:27:38
  sing about their exploits. So when this designation came down,
• 1:27:42
  it was clear that some of these guys were on
• 1:27:43
  the chopping block. The steroids designation came down from the government.
• 1:27:47
  The US government is clear that some of these singers
• 1:27:48
  are going to be on the chopping block.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Another phenomenon is that the US is actually just the.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: Guy for my listeners on Spotify every month.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: He was killed at a parking lot yesterday. Oh wow,
• 1:28:04
  musicians celebrated drug cartel exploits and songs. Shot dead in
• 1:28:07
  parking lot in Mexico. Oh yeah, yeah, this is yesterday?
• 1:28:11
  Is this today? Yes? Wow? Yeah, this is the singer. Yeah.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: He used to hang out with Mayos Simbala and l
• 1:28:24
  Chappel Guzman and talk about it. Openly on podcast in Mexico.
• 1:28:28
  And you know that's another phenomenon that's currently happening YouTubers
• 1:28:34
  since since it was so normalized in Mexico, just a
• 1:28:37
  bunch of YouTubers started popping up like I'm a cartel YouTuber.
• 1:28:40
  I'm going to talk about cartel stuff on YouTube, and
• 1:28:42
  and uh they've been getting when when the when the
• 1:28:47
  Chapitos and the Mayos started fighting over Sinaloa, those Mayos
• 1:28:53
  put a plane up and started, uh this person pathlets
• 1:28:58
  with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that they they
• 1:29:02
  knew were helping out the Chapito's faction or they were
• 1:29:06
  working with them, and they've been going down that list.
• 1:29:12
  They recently killed one one one dude at his house
• 1:29:16
  who was talking about cartels.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: You know, so like TMZ for cartels.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they they the the the hackers that that
• 1:29:27
  that's him that he Uh apparently the cartel hired U
• 1:29:33
  a hacker to figure out to send a link to
• 1:29:35
  his wife that she opened, and they tracked the tract
• 1:29:38
  the attract them where they were hiding. Wow, like he
• 1:29:43
  was he's also he was all over social media in
• 1:29:46
  Mexico and even even regular media in Mexico talking about
• 1:29:49
  the cartels.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: As of Sunday, no arrests have been reported.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: No, somebody's walked into his house with a scheme mask
• 1:29:56
  and shot him through the bathroom door. When you try
• 1:29:58
  to hold the chat and this is these are all
• 1:30:03
  signs that the populace in Mexico, independently of cartels, just
• 1:30:07
  the general mass of Mexicans, this is the tipping point.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: They're done with this, they don't want this anymore. Which,
• 1:30:17
  you know, what do you do with that energy, that momentum.
• 1:30:19
  How many people are we talking about when you talk
• 1:30:21
  about all of the cartels, how many people are like
• 1:30:27
  how big thousands? If it was an army, how big
• 1:30:30
  would the army be? I don't know, four hundred thousand people?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: WHOA just like doing doing really quick math in my
• 1:30:40
  head of like approximations of how many new generation cartel
• 1:30:43
  members are apparently out there, which there's no way real
• 1:30:46
  way of knowing, but there are the formulations.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: How many Taliban we're in Afghanistan. I don't know, that's
• 1:30:53
  Jamie Google that during the height of the war, how
• 1:30:55
  many Taliban we're in Afghanistan?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: And and and and then you see these organists I
• 1:31:00
  mean there's the people fighting out there, the people in charge,
• 1:31:04
  the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the
• 1:31:07
  people that are running the shell companies, the people that
• 1:31:10
  are running the actual companies, because these Cartel's own companies.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: You know. So like, okay, look at this. Early estimates
• 1:31:18
  from two thousand and one to twenty seventeen range from
• 1:31:20
  forty five thousand and sixty thousand.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: I think there's way more fighters down there.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? So we were we spent trillions
• 1:31:29
  of dollars. We were there for twenty years in Afghanistan
• 1:31:32
  for sixty thousand dudes that were hiding out in the mountains.
• 1:31:37
  And then we left, and we left behind black Hawk helicopters,
• 1:31:40
  tanks and a lot of and a lot of those
• 1:31:42
  firearms are showing up in Mexico. Of course their for sale.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: The the.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: The night vision equipment or the night vision like high
• 1:31:54
  sophistic and expensive. I know about night vision. I've been
• 1:31:56
  learning about all this stuff in the US. For my
• 1:31:58
  friends were all guns and I'm looking at like, oh,
• 1:32:02
  go ahead, look at these, like, dude, where are those?
• 1:32:04
  They're in a house and cooly goune. It's like, holy shit, dude,
• 1:32:08
  How the fuck did they get from there's routes.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I bet dude's got on a plane. The moment the
• 1:32:13
  US left, they were like, you all this shit, we
• 1:32:16
  got money, Let's make a deal with these guys.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, weaponry is coming coming in from that side. Obviously
• 1:32:23
  the US is responsible for most of the gun running.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Down to Mexico. Well, let's talk about Operation Fast and Furious,
• 1:32:30
  which was bananas.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Wide receiver started off as wide Receiver.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: I think that was the original name for it. It's
• 1:32:38
  a bushan to people what happened, so I should administration
• 1:32:42
  it was a wide receiver, and then Obama administration it
• 1:32:45
  was Fast and Furious.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: And again I'm going to speak of this. My participation
• 1:32:49
  in all this was I was in Mexico and a
• 1:32:50
  bunch of my friends got killed with those guns. Wow,
• 1:32:55
  we started seeing just imagine I'm in my twenties back then,
• 1:33:00
  and you know, we get shootouts and people are running
• 1:33:03
  around with guns and stuff like that. But it's mostly
• 1:33:05
  like AR fifteen's AK forty seven. Some of them are
• 1:33:09
  really rusty and old Noringko rifles from China, just weird firearms.
• 1:33:14
  And all of a sudden you start finding people with
• 1:33:16
  fifty caliver Barrett rifles with scopes on them, zeroed in
• 1:33:22
  in the box with munitions. And then you look at
• 1:33:26
  the box where they came in and you see a
• 1:33:28
  label that says Arizona on it, and you're like, I
• 1:33:32
  got it on you know, that's a weird thing to
• 1:33:35
  find on this fucking crackhouse that we're at. And then
• 1:33:39
  a few of my friends got killed with these FN
• 1:33:41
  five seven pistols. It's a high velocity round that comes
• 1:33:45
  in them. It was kind of fabricated in the Cold
• 1:33:48
  War to fight Russians invading Europe and they wanted to
• 1:33:51
  be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols
• 1:33:54
  and small subguns that they might have in the urban areas.
• 1:33:58
  So we start seeing those and just a massive amount
• 1:34:02
  of firearms being delivered specifically to see the lower cartel
• 1:34:05
  groups in the area that we're working with, and we
• 1:34:08
  didn't know anything about it. Where all these things coming from.
• 1:34:11
  Apparently in the US during the Bush administration, they started
• 1:34:16
  an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw
• 1:34:20
  purchased in places like Arizona and other parts of the
• 1:34:24
  US by individuals being gathered by cartel members put into
• 1:34:29
  cars and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels.
• 1:34:33
  The ATF was involved in all this. Eric Holder was
• 1:34:36
  very involved in all this. Their plan or theory was,
• 1:34:40
  we're going to track these guns when they go down
• 1:34:41
  to Mexico. But nothing got tracked, or at least we
• 1:34:47
  don't know of anything that got really tracked or any
• 1:34:50
  high level arrest made because of the guns that they
• 1:34:53
  were just allowed to What do you think is really
• 1:34:55
  going on?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Because that sounds like a bullshit cover we're just tracking
• 1:34:59
  these guns.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do when you want to
• 1:35:01
  destabilize region if you're another country, you give guns to
• 1:35:06
  the ships as Why would.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: They want to destabilize them in such a moral way
• 1:35:11
  that they needed this to happen so badly they were
• 1:35:13
  willing to give them weapons to kill each other. I mean,
• 1:35:18
  it's it's it's it's a back then.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: It was a scene law cartel trying to fight control
• 1:35:23
  over the area, over some people that were coming like
• 1:35:26
  the ze does and other organizations. And I don't know
• 1:35:29
  why why would you send guns to this specific region.
• 1:35:32
  I'm not I'm not saying that the US purposely armed
• 1:35:35
  a single cartel in Mexico.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: But that's what it kind of looks like. Yeah, you know,
• 1:35:40
  that's what it looks like. That's the only thing. And
• 1:35:44
  this was the purpose of it, And this is what.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: We saw because you know, a lot of the a
• 1:35:48
  lot of the things that they were because it looked
• 1:35:51
  like a laundry list some of the stuff that they
• 1:35:53
  were bringing down.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Fifty cal.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Why do you think fifty calibers started getting like we're
• 1:35:58
  so hot? Back arts a lot. It's because people started
• 1:36:02
  doing armor, so they need a way to get getting
• 1:36:05
  through armor. So fifty cows right. And Americans, especially some
• 1:36:09
  of my American military and police friends, are always making
• 1:36:12
  fun of the fact that none of these big gas
• 1:36:14
  rifles have any sights on them. They do have sights
• 1:36:17
  on them, but they get stolen by the cops before
• 1:36:19
  they put them in front of the picture for the news.
• 1:36:21
  But I've heard, I've heard it wasn't mean.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. You get a nice expensive yeah red
• 1:36:30
  dot on that these guys don't even have sights on
• 1:36:35
  their guns.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: They can shoot, they can shoot far, they could shoot,
• 1:36:38
  they could shoot well, some of them, not all of them.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got expensive guns of coursive gun sites. Yeah,
• 1:36:42
  that's ridiculous.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but everything get stripped off, you know, donations. Of course,
• 1:36:48
  these these started showing up in Mexico. A bunch of
• 1:36:51
  people started dying. And then two federal agents that were
• 1:36:54
  doing a protection detail that died down there during a
• 1:36:57
  cartel shootout. Not two shirt on the details of this,
• 1:37:00
  but uh, they were involved in a shootout in Mexico.
• 1:37:03
  They were doing a protection detail down there. One of
• 1:37:05
  them was a Border Patrol agent assigned to this.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Ryan Terry.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: He set up they actually set up a foundation. They
• 1:37:12
  set up a foundation in his memory. And I I
• 1:37:15
  think I raised like a few grand for this foundation.
• 1:37:19
  And I did that only as a point to be
• 1:37:20
  able to say, hey, yeah, I raised this money for
• 1:37:23
  this foundation to honor this Swallen police officer that was
• 1:37:26
  going that was in Mexico that was killed by American
• 1:37:28
  guns that were given to the cartels. To bring attention
• 1:37:32
  to the fact that you know, we know who Ryan
• 1:37:34
  Terry is, but do we know who my friends are
• 1:37:36
  who were killed by these guns or all a lot
• 1:37:38
  of the unknown people that were killed by some of
• 1:37:40
  these guns that were allowed to walk through that border
• 1:37:43
  knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people running these
• 1:37:46
  gun shops were like, hey, dude, are you sure, Like
• 1:37:49
  there's they didn't want like four ak's like are you sure?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let him walk where were They're under surveillance, were.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Tracking these and they was going to go down. So
• 1:38:01
  if you had to imagine, no one's saying this is true,
• 1:38:03
  but if you had to imagine what kind of a
• 1:38:06
  deal would be made where you would guarantee the shipment
• 1:38:11
  of weapons from the United States into Mexico by the
• 1:38:14
  federal government for what purpose the destabilized? Destabilized support a
• 1:38:21
  specific faction, right, But that's the question why them? And
• 1:38:26
  like was it money? Was it influence? Were they working
• 1:38:29
  on something? You know, there's a lot of We're in
• 1:38:31
  the realm of theory, right of course.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: But Elmayo Sambala learned his tradecraft in Los Angeles and
• 1:38:38
  fifty years ago and one of the people that was
• 1:38:40
  instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move
• 1:38:43
  things through countries was a man who was a Castro
• 1:38:47
  era police officer who was involved in the be of
• 1:38:49
  pig incidents. That man married his Elmaio's sister, and that's
• 1:38:54
  who taught Elmayo Sambala everything he knew about moving things
• 1:38:58
  around border.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna say the CIA, but oh my god. Well,
• 1:39:08
  you know, I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast
• 1:39:12
  multiple times. And for people who haven't seen those episodes
• 1:39:15
  or heard me talk about Ricky, Ricky is the real
• 1:39:19
  Rick Ross, like Rick Ross, the rapper, that's not his name.
• 1:39:23
  He named himself Rick Ross because Freeway Ricky was a legend.
• 1:39:28
  He was a legend in Los Angeles. He was the
• 1:39:31
  number one cocaine dealer in Los Angeles, and he was
• 1:39:35
  getting it all from the CIA, and he was helping
• 1:39:39
  funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. And he
• 1:39:44
  had no idea because he couldn't even read.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: And that same contra situation pops up again with the
• 1:39:53
  death of Ak the Dea agent. They one of the people,
• 1:39:58
  one of the There was two major prisoner extraditions of
• 1:40:03
  cartel members from Mexico to the US, and the first
• 1:40:05
  one that came through I think a year ago, was
• 1:40:10
  the the the apparent murderer of Key Common and I
• 1:40:13
  was a cartel member and they've always pinned on him
• 1:40:18
  like he the cartels were that there was this giant
• 1:40:21
  grove marijuana out there and that key come on and
• 1:40:24
  I saw it and reported it and Cato Quintero, who
• 1:40:27
  owned this plantation, had him killed, right. And we actually
• 1:40:30
  went down to Jalisco where he was tortured and killed
• 1:40:32
  and talked to the locals there and they.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Were like, like that the CIA house, Like what That's
• 1:40:40
  what some of the people there say. And have you
• 1:40:42
  ever seen the video of Michael Rupert, who's was a
• 1:40:45
  friend of mine who passed away years back. He uh,
• 1:40:49
  he was a former Los Angeles narcotics officer. He was
• 1:40:53
  on c SPAN at a hearing and during the during
• 1:40:58
  the hearing said I personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs
• 1:41:02
  in Los Angeles and everybody goes fucking crazy. It is
• 1:41:05
  the wildest thing to see because this is like Jamie
• 1:41:09
  was that the nineties? Yeah, do you remember were you
• 1:41:13
  around when Rupert was a guest? No, Rupert was pre
• 1:41:16
  Jamie Wow. Yeah. So Rupert was on a couple of
• 1:41:19
  times and then he took his own life one time.
• 1:41:24
  He was very depressed. I don't doubt that he took
• 1:41:26
  his life. He was living predestitute. I think he was
• 1:41:31
  in a trailer. You know, I get it. It wasn't
• 1:41:34
  the end wasn't good, but there was a movie here. Listen, listen,
• 1:41:40
  Mike Rupert nineteen ninety six. Let's play some of this
• 1:41:43
  because it is crazy. It's crazy. This is all live
• 1:41:47
  on Sea Span.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Angeles Police narcotics detective. And I worked south central Los
• 1:41:51
  Angeles and I will tell you director Deutsche, emphetically, and.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Can you further into the mic mics seemed to be.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: I will tell you director Deutsch as a form of
• 1:42:00
  Los Angeles Police narcotics detective, that the agency has dealt
• 1:42:03
  drugs throughout this country for a long time.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Yo, it was great. And he goes into detail and
• 1:42:11
  look at these are all LA people and they're like,
• 1:42:14
  fucking thank you. But this is like Head of the
• 1:42:18
  CIA is up there too. Ye yes, yes, this is
• 1:42:23
  like conspiracy theories.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: This never happened, but exactly there you go, Head of
• 1:42:28
  the CIA looking him, refer to it.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Guy's got a human skin suit on. That's a demon.
• 1:42:42
  Listen to what he talked. When Rupert talked, just rot
• 1:42:45
  a note to that guy too.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute. If you don't like what's going on here,
• 1:42:51
  please sleep now. No no, no, no, no, no sleep now,
• 1:42:56
  because there are others who do want to hear what's going.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: On in this room. Shout out to Jannia forgetting control
• 1:43:03
  of the room, because everybody went nuts when he said that.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: So he elaborates, I mean, when you say you went nuts, Deutsche,
• 1:43:12
  they're looking that.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: He talks to the director operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus
• 1:43:17
  and Watchtower. I have watched Tower documents heavily redacted by
• 1:43:22
  the agency. I was personally exposed to CIA operations and
• 1:43:25
  recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in
• 1:43:28
  the late seventies to become involved in protecting agency drug
• 1:43:32
  operations in this country. I have been trying to get
• 1:43:35
  this out for eighteen years, and I have the evidence.
• 1:43:37
  My question for you is very specific, Sir, If in
• 1:43:40
  the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hits's work,
• 1:43:44
  you come across evidence of severely criminal activity and it's classified,
• 1:43:49
  will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity
• 1:43:53
  or will you tell the American people the truth?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: He's like, should I handle this?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: They're going to activate the bomb in his head right there.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: You want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: And then from the Director He's like, I don't want
• 1:44:14
  to talk.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute from your from York. I'm sorry, sir.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: I will allow the director the guy at the back,
• 1:44:24
  but this is taking he's there to try and pull
• 1:44:28
  him out. If something like that.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: About CIA illegal activity.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know about those clowns that guy's doing. Bill
• 1:44:35
  Gates answer, should immediately bring that information wherever you want to.
• 1:44:40
  Let me suggest three places. The Los Angeles Police Department.
• 1:44:52
  I'm please.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: If I'm sorry, others want to hear this answer, I
• 1:45:02
  am sorry.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Took out the dude in the front with the leopard hat,
• 1:45:06
  the leopard scarf. Amazing, amazing segment of time, the.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: Office of one of your congress persons.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: This I got shot at.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Ports you hear him. I did that eighteen years ago.
• 1:45:25
  I got shot out for Jamie Find that find the
• 1:45:28
  trailer for that movie they did with him. So there
• 1:45:31
  was they were interviewing him. I forget what the entire
• 1:45:34
  premise of this thing was. They were interviewing him for something,
• 1:45:37
  and he was so intense they decided to do an
• 1:45:40
  entire movie of just Michael Rupert sitting in a chair
• 1:45:44
  in like a warehouse, smoking cigarettes and talking about the
• 1:45:48
  collapse of the global economy collapse. Play the trailer for
• 1:45:53
  this because it's so nut. See if you can find
• 1:45:55
  the trailer for collapsed. Yeah.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: The whole CIA thing is, this is Michael.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: We are all collectively responsible for what may be the
• 1:46:09
  greatest preventable holocaust in the history of planet Earth. I
• 1:46:15
  have thirty years of experience as an investigative journalist. I've
• 1:46:18
  broken major scandals going out to try and map how
• 1:46:21
  the world really worked as opposed.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: To the way we were told it worked.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: Our map has proved deadly accurate my economic prediction.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: So we had it so right.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: In two thousand and six, we said, get out of
• 1:46:33
  debt right now. Check your mortgage carefully. We issued a
• 1:46:36
  whole series of warnings.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: There will be nothing like.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: That's January two. Thus we said, what's.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: Gonna happen is taking place right now, Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
• 1:46:48
  the stock market. It's not that Bernie Madoff was a
• 1:46:51
  pyramid scheme. The whole economy is a pyramid scheme. Of course,
• 1:46:57
  I've been called a conspiracy theorist, but I don't deal
• 1:47:00
  in conspiracy theory. I deal in conspiracy fact. The mortal
• 1:47:05
  blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil price
• 1:47:09
  is spike and nobody can afford to buy that, or
• 1:47:11
  and everything will just shut down. Unlike the Great Depression,
• 1:47:18
  we do not have infinite resources. Nothing grows forever. There
• 1:47:22
  is a cycle birth, growth, maturation, decline, and death. Cars
• 1:47:29
  don't run, mail stops getting delivered, planes don't fly, law
• 1:47:32
  enforcement stops working.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: This is all part of the collapse.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: If you're in a camp and a bear attax, you
• 1:47:39
  don't have to be faster than the bear. You only
• 1:47:43
  have to be faster than the slowest camper. The challenge
• 1:47:47
  being faced by the human race now is either revolver
• 1:47:49
  or parish, grow.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Up or die.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 7: You have to believe, not hope, not praying, that there's
• 1:47:57
  a way out.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Of it and you're going to find it. Did the
• 1:48:02
  whole documentary just this dude sitting there freaking you out
• 1:48:06
  there there?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, uh, Mexico's Mexico's UFOs, or it has always
• 1:48:10
  been like Mexico's big Foot CIA, like there have been
• 1:48:16
  Mine would have been the I think was he was
• 1:48:18
  a writer in the seventh sixties, seventies, he was he
• 1:48:21
  would talk about the CIA and he got shot.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: Recently like recently, in the past ten years, a bunch
• 1:48:29
  of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being
• 1:48:32
  on the payroll by the CIA from like all the
• 1:48:36
  like all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA
• 1:48:39
  agents on the payroll. So Mexico has this vision of
• 1:48:45
  the CIA and its rus the US's responsibility for some
• 1:48:48
  of the things that are going on down there. They're
• 1:48:50
  very different than the US's perception of responsibilities.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: It's probably more accurate. I mean, it's direct.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: It was shocking to me when we were there at Kiki,
• 1:49:00
  coming in that house where he was kept and I
• 1:49:02
  think tortured and finally killed. That the people around there
• 1:49:06
  that have lived there when it happened, some of them
• 1:49:10
  would call that the CIA house. So that was that
• 1:49:13
  was a weird thing to see. And maybe they've been
• 1:49:15
  kind of like polluted by all the all the stuff
• 1:49:17
  they've been looking at or seeing after that happened. But
• 1:49:20
  or maybe they're just being accurate, and maybe they're just
• 1:49:22
  being accurate. Let's say this, and again realm of theory,
• 1:49:28
  you have the United States dealing with Mexico and nine
• 1:49:33
  to eleven happens, and then you're worried about things going
• 1:49:36
  through the border like a nuke, you know. Apparently, do
• 1:49:41
  you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe
• 1:49:44
  and tell you if anything goes through that border, or
• 1:49:46
  you talk to the cartels that actually own that border.
• 1:49:51
  Who do you talk to?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: You have to talk to the cartels.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: So I think there's there's always been a backdoor channel
• 1:49:58
  communication there going on, or direct communication going on of
• 1:50:01
  some sort, which only makes sense, Yeah, and also makes
• 1:50:07
  I wonder how much of.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: An influence it has in our drug laws. The because
• 1:50:13
  sensible drug laws would treat all drugs the same way
• 1:50:17
  we treat alcohol. Yeah, sensible because alcohol is a drug,
• 1:50:20
  and we know that when we had a prohibition would
• 1:50:22
  lasted for how many years, like thirteen years in this country,
• 1:50:26
  it did nothing but prop up organized crime. Yeah, and.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: Last time I came here, I was on my way
• 1:50:33
  to becoming alcohol sober. So alcohol is a very dangerous drug.
• 1:50:39
  You can kill yourself with it very easily. You could
• 1:50:41
  buy a bottle that will kill you. Yep, and any store,
• 1:50:44
  any store. I had to lock myself in a fucking ranch.
• 1:50:47
  I did an old school. Just fucking long. How long
• 1:50:50
  did it take my whole life? It's going to take.
• 1:50:54
  I think I'm always going to be I like to
• 1:50:56
  think about it, you know sometimes. But I've been soilber
• 1:51:00
  about four years now.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Congratulation, thank you, that's awesome. But it's hard to do.
• 1:51:05
  It is not easy. I don't have the addiction gene,
• 1:51:10
  the physical addiction gene. I don't know why, but like,
• 1:51:14
  even I chew on these nicotine pouches all the time.
• 1:51:17
  I went on vacation and I said, no nicotine. Let's
• 1:51:19
  see what happens. For five days, I was fine. Nothing coffee.
• 1:51:22
  I said, I'm gonna quit coffee. I quit coffee for
• 1:51:24
  five days, like no, no weirdness.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me it was medication when I
• 1:51:32
  got out, when I got out of work, I had
• 1:51:36
  loads of PDAs either. First time I was on the
• 1:51:38
  podcast and we talked a little bit about it, and
• 1:51:40
  then afterwards you like gave me some names of some
• 1:51:42
  people that should talk to, and I did. I went
• 1:51:44
  out and looked out for help. Eventually I just got sober.
• 1:51:47
  But it's insane to me how differently alcohol gets treated
• 1:51:51
  versus all substance. It's one of the only ones that
• 1:51:54
  if you get off it too quick, you'll die, yes,
• 1:51:57
  which I did you get real close to that?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: I had to my heart. I started feeling my heart
• 1:52:03
  do Shito, Did you think, Wow, I just have a
• 1:52:05
  little drinking pooh and get back on track and do
• 1:52:08
  this slowly, a slow trip.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: When when I left the studio the last time, you're
• 1:52:15
  still in la. My marriage ended around that same time,
• 1:52:21
  you know, and I had a few things going on.
• 1:52:25
  PTSD and trying to figure things out and drinking myself
• 1:52:30
  to sleep every third day because it's the only way
• 1:52:32
  I can go through a sleepless through a dreamless night
• 1:52:37
  was unsustainable. So my life was falling apart, and I
• 1:52:42
  had to like do something. I had a friend who
• 1:52:45
  owns a big ranch and had a cabin that I
• 1:52:48
  could stay in.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: He said, hey, you can stay here.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: How long did it take to I got there? And
• 1:52:53
  I didn't want to feel like a freeloader. So I
• 1:52:56
  got there and I gave them. They had a little
• 1:52:58
  small community school there for the kids, so I brought
• 1:53:01
  a TV and like DVDs and like.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: Gave him all this stuff. Okay, can stay here.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: He sat, He stood me in front of everybody and said,
• 1:53:08
  this guy's an alcoholic. If I catch anybody, give him
• 1:53:11
  an alcohol, or if you see him give him an alcohol.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: You're out embarrassed me, Like I felt like shit, but
• 1:53:19
  it gave me what I needed. Third night.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Shakes and sweats, wild dreams. I think I'd pissed myself,
• 1:53:31
  but it was a sweat. Then I started getting my
• 1:53:35
  start chess fans and shit like that going on. And
• 1:53:39
  I think it took me about two weeks I think
• 1:53:44
  to really like be you know, on the level, it's
• 1:53:49
  don't do it that way. It's a stupid way of
• 1:53:50
  doing it. You'll almost die eventually.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: I got some people do. Yeah, I think that's how
• 1:53:56
  Amy Winehouse died. Yes, that's probably yeah, Yeah, that's what.
• 1:54:01
  Isn't that the case, Jamie? Don't they think that Amy
• 1:54:03
  Winehouse died from complications of alcoholism of trying to get sober?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it is you feel it whatever people
• 1:54:13
  often say, like feel I feel like I'm dying. Like no,
• 1:54:16
  that feels like you're dying, like you like somebody's sitting
• 1:54:19
  on your chest and you can't get up, and also
• 1:54:23
  your brain is screaming for something that it can't get right.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: I alcohol poisoning after binge drinking following a period of abstinence,
• 1:54:34
  oh even worse. Yeah.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: Eventually, eventually I started speaking about it, but I was
• 1:54:42
  embarrassed about it, and I started writing about it and
• 1:54:44
  publishing on my on my Instagram account just like my
• 1:54:47
  experience with it, and I got a lot of help
• 1:54:51
  from a lot of people.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Did you ever do I a game? Yeah? Yeah, it
• 1:54:59
  did things.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: It opened up a few warm cancer worms of the
• 1:55:03
  past in me, but it yeah, it helped.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: I had the one thing that I hear over and
• 1:55:12
  over again for people that do suffer from PTSD and
• 1:55:15
  people that do suffer from addiction, I Begain's the one.
• 1:55:19
  It It's like a weird conversation.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: It's like a it's like you've avoided these very specific
• 1:55:28
  things for decades and now there's no way of avoiding
• 1:55:33
  them in there there.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't think,
• 1:55:39
  I don't want to it.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: It led me on a path and it specifically opened
• 1:55:47
  up a bunch of doors for me in the realm
• 1:55:49
  of you know, you know, I'm the cartel guy and
• 1:55:53
  like I used to do this and that's what I
• 1:55:54
  do when I train people on that. But then some
• 1:55:57
  gott guy going through alcohol sobriety in public you know,
• 1:56:01
  I had Randy blythe the lead singer of Lamb of God,
• 1:56:04
  reach out out of nowhere, this random.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Guy that I used to listen to when I was working,
• 1:56:09
  you know, my head vote.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: He's like, hey, yeah, yeah, he's speaking him out here.
• 1:56:14
  If you do you have a sponsors Like, I never
• 1:56:17
  went to AA. I just fucking locked myself in a room.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Stupid for doing that. But he like, I'll be your sponsor.
• 1:56:24
  He's so oh wow, So he started, how fucking cool
• 1:56:27
  is that? I'm still a sponsor?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: He is, I don't know, he's a He's an amazing guy.
• 1:56:36
  Like that's why I call it when I'm close mm hmm.
• 1:56:41
  But I yes, it is insane to think about the
• 1:56:45
  fact that the bottle of a bottle of liquor you
• 1:56:48
  can buy.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: The story kill you. Well, you have to shows your ID. Well,
• 1:56:53
  it's the problem of addiction, you know. This is this,
• 1:56:57
  this is the actual fuel that runs the cartel. Is
• 1:57:03
  there's a giant problem in the United States of people
• 1:57:07
  and this appetite for illegal narcotics. Yes, and this pretending
• 1:57:14
  that people aren't doing these drugs, and like the pretending
• 1:57:17
  that making them illegal is going to stop this. No,
• 1:57:19
  all you're doing is propping up the cartel. That's all
• 1:57:22
  you're doing is funding the cartel and then also helping
• 1:57:27
  the alcohol lobbyists in this in this country.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the you know, the perfect storm was the outbreak
• 1:57:36
  of the prescription opioid epidemic in the in the in
• 1:57:39
  this country. That was like this initiation of what later
• 1:57:44
  turned into like, oh well, this is off the table
• 1:57:46
  now because we passed all these laws and didn't put
• 1:57:49
  some people in jail that should have that should make prison,
• 1:57:51
  some families that I don't know how they're free.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: But then what takes its place.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppies and they said,
• 1:58:01
  let's add a little bit of fentatl into these very
• 1:58:05
  weak poppy yields of heroin and see what it does.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: And it kicked. Oh so that was the source of it,
• 1:58:12
  that the heroin was weak.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: These these hillsides have been leached for years from growing
• 1:58:18
  weed on them.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: Oh so the top soil was bad. Let's they were
• 1:58:23
  doing monocrop agriculture with drugs. So like, oh my god,
• 1:58:26
  industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanel being introduced
• 1:58:31
  into them to make it more potent. Wow.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: And then also weed legalization in parts like California led
• 1:58:38
  to interesting phenomenons. Some of these fields were no longer profitable,
• 1:58:44
  so they would switch to poppy. And one thing that
• 1:58:49
  people don't realize is that a lot of these things
• 1:58:51
  get tested out first in the markets in Mexico. Mexico
• 1:58:53
  has giant drug markets and that are fought over and
• 1:58:57
  people will try this, you know, try this.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's like trial samples that they hand out
• 1:59:04
  the supermarket.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: Oh no, So, at some point in the past, somebody
• 1:59:10
  down in Jalisco probably tried the first load of Mexican
• 1:59:15
  fentomally loaded heroin. Somebody somewhere out there probably did the
• 1:59:19
  first head and was like, holy shit, winter.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Here or died immediately, or I said, hey, that's a
• 1:59:24
  little too potent because the amount of fencanel that you
• 1:59:27
  need to kill somebody so small. Yeah. Put it was
• 1:59:29
  a hit here, though it was a giant hit here
• 1:59:32
  in the US. And then is it as big a
• 1:59:35
  problem in Mexico as it is in the United States.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: No, The reason is the reason is wild though it's
• 1:59:41
  not because Mexico cracks down a fentanyl.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: There's no fentyl on the streets.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: It's because the cartel's down there will kill you if
• 1:59:48
  they catch you selling that shit local wow, because this
• 1:59:52
  poison is meant to export. Who if the cartels catch
• 1:59:58
  you selling any thing that isn't from them or ventanyl
• 2:00:02
  in certain areas, they'll kill you. So that's the that's
• 2:00:06
  the best. That's the Mexican DARE.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: Program is so crazy, like they know it's bad. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:00:13
  well the other they know.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: And you see some of these cartels publicly claim like, ah,
• 2:00:17
  we don't to heal in this ventanyl thing.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: This is not us. Ventoyl as a whole.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: I think in the US is kind of down, and
• 2:00:25
  I know I know that not all of it or
• 2:00:28
  not most of it is now coming from Mexico. I
• 2:00:30
  mean you'll you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming
• 2:00:35
  from Mexico, a lot of a lot of those. But
• 2:00:38
  you also get fentanyl from in the mail all over
• 2:00:41
  the US. There's a there's a loophole that is finally
• 2:00:46
  being closed about exporting things into the United States. So
• 2:00:49
  if they're below eight hundred dollars or something like that,
• 2:00:51
  they don't get the full scan. So I know for
• 2:00:54
  a fact there are cartels or groups of people in
• 2:00:58
  the United States organizing shipping things to the United States
• 2:01:01
  that have fentanel in them, and they started loading and
• 2:01:03
  they're selling fentinally loaded substances into the US without any
• 2:01:09
  sort of cartel in Mexican involvement.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: That is also happening in the US. And the precursors
• 2:01:15
  for this stuff all come from China, correct.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: They all come from China. And this is an my observation.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for
• 2:01:29
  some of these organizations. Specifically seen a lower cartel was
• 2:01:32
  actually getting their fentanyl in the US from some of
• 2:01:35
  the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports
• 2:01:37
  in the US because the US kept the ports open
• 2:01:39
  for a bit longer. So you had cases of people
• 2:01:44
  cartel members getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico because
• 2:01:49
  they didn't get their regular supply from China from the
• 2:01:51
  regular ports, and that's what they were utilizing to infuse
• 2:01:55
  the drugs that they would send over to the US.
• 2:01:58
  But the one that didn't have any of those istions
• 2:02:00
  is with the new generation cartel because they own a
• 2:02:05
  lot of the ports on both sides of the country.
• 2:02:08
  And also they've always had I don't know this. I
• 2:02:13
  don't want to say that the People's Republic of China
• 2:02:15
  purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a
• 2:02:18
  blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: To fuck with the US. It's probably the case, though, Yeah,
• 2:02:25
  it's probably the case. Well, it seems like that would
• 2:02:27
  be a good move if you want to d stabilize
• 2:02:30
  a country. How would you get hundreds of thousands of
• 2:02:32
  people hooked on this terrible drug?
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean they're all They're all over the
• 2:02:37
  illegal weed trade in the US as well right now,
• 2:02:42
  hundreds of them. I saw on the border crossing in
• 2:02:46
  single file.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: I was watching some video that some guy made about
• 2:02:50
  Maine about there's this town in Maine, but there's all
• 2:02:53
  this Chinese nationals living there and they've taken over weed
• 2:02:56
  operations in Maine. It's wow.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: When we talked about Vietnam, I think Mexico is a
• 2:03:05
  weird Vietnam in a lot of ways because you see
• 2:03:09
  foreign influences in Mexico in different ways. The current administration
• 2:03:14
  is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies
• 2:03:17
  of the United States. You know, they're pretty friendly with them.
• 2:03:21
  So that's one influence in the country.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: All of these.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: Precursors and supplies, and all of these involved Chinese chemist,
• 2:03:30
  industrialist individuals. A lot of the cartels were basically hiding
• 2:03:34
  their money through Chinese banking institutions. That's the way you
• 2:03:37
  hide money from the US. You know, you put it,
• 2:03:40
  you take it to a Chinese money broker, he puts
• 2:03:43
  it in the Chinese banking institution. You go to Mexico,
• 2:03:45
  you have a shell company down there or a real
• 2:03:47
  company down there, and then you hire investments with that
• 2:03:50
  Chinese company. Now you have legitimate money just transferring from
• 2:03:53
  one end to the other, and nobody the wiser. So
• 2:03:57
  Mexico is a war, is a war field or a battle.
• 2:04:02
  A battle is being played out in Mexico that has
• 2:04:04
  a lot to do with the United States and affecting
• 2:04:06
  the interests of the United States. And China is clearly
• 2:04:10
  not the US's friend in this battle. Probably and things
• 2:04:15
  have changed, the dynamics have changed, but you can clearly
• 2:04:18
  see that at some point the people in China, and
• 2:04:26
  when it's I've heard people say that the largest intelligence
• 2:04:31
  intelligence organization in the world. Is this Chinese popular the
• 2:04:36
  Chinese government because everybody in China is part of the
• 2:04:38
  intelligence operatus basically, So it's hard for me to believe
• 2:04:43
  that all these industrialists and all of these chemists come
• 2:04:46
  to Mexico and show these cartel members out of cook manufacture, make,
• 2:04:52
  or actually fabricate like they've been fabricating fentyl in Mexico.
• 2:04:57
  There have been a few laboratories found in Mexico where
• 2:04:59
  they're actually make ventral in Mexico. This is very common now.
• 2:05:03
  But they learn their trade craft and skill craft from
• 2:05:05
  people from China. How can the Chinese government have these
• 2:05:08
  people moving in in and out of the country and
• 2:05:10
  showing these things back and forth and not like, oh,
• 2:05:12
  we don't know anything about this.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Right, they're probably directed to do it. I don't know. Look,
• 2:05:17
  it makes sense. It makes sense. You know. There's so
• 2:05:19
  many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like
• 2:05:23
  we're involved in destabilizing other countries. There's a whack a
• 2:05:26
  mole game that's going on all over the world.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: There in that Aura, which has talked about a lot
• 2:05:32
  here in the US, This Venezuelan gangs they're operating in
• 2:05:36
  Central Mexico openly. Now there's power vacuums all over the
• 2:05:40
  country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and
• 2:05:42
  people are The age of the large organizations is probably
• 2:05:47
  coming to an end. Scene the laws and the scene
• 2:05:50
  low cartel doesn't exist anymore. There's smaller factions basically in control,
• 2:05:53
  which is allowing things to come in there. In that
• 2:05:56
  Iura are the Venezuelan gangs that are operating in a
• 2:05:59
  way where the Mexican government hasn't hadn't dealt with that.
• 2:06:03
  It's more like a localized gang shit, you know, Camora,
• 2:06:09
  like Italian mafia type dealings that they have so there there,
• 2:06:14
  which is like old school Mexican cartels used to do.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: So now they're having to de evolve.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: What I mentioned this, I talked to some people who
• 2:06:23
  are actively working against that federally in Mexico, and then
• 2:06:27
  all of a sudden we hear these mentions of Maduro,
• 2:06:30
  the president of Venezuela, being placed on that fifty million
• 2:06:35
  I think, offering for his head and he's basically now
• 2:06:38
  the head of the giant cartel. Which is it an
• 2:06:41
  interesting narrative that the US is putting out there?
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: Is that real? I don't know.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: You see, you see a lot of these Venezuela and
• 2:06:49
  they're the wh people having clear like knowledge and skills,
• 2:06:55
  you know, and training. And then they're operating in Mexico
• 2:07:00
  clearly with some sort of command or directive structure that
• 2:07:04
  is in clear like No, there's no like who's the
• 2:07:05
  head of the trend that I walk Cartel's nobody's gonna
• 2:07:09
  tell you. They don't know, you know, who's supplying them,
• 2:07:12
  who's sending them, who's sending them out, who's controlling them,
• 2:07:17
  who's organizing what, And it's it's it's like a destabilizing
• 2:07:21
  thing element. I think, you know, it's interesting that he
• 2:07:26
  that when we hear this new mention of uh we
• 2:07:30
  authorized military actions in South America, they don't say Mexico specifically,
• 2:07:34
  they say to South America, and a very big thing
• 2:07:37
  that comes up as Venezuela and Mexico. I think this,
• 2:07:42
  I think whatever the US is attempting is beyond cartel
• 2:07:45
  and drugs, and this is about regional stability, you know,
• 2:07:49
  and security. Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource
• 2:07:56
  on the planet right now. I think moving into the future,
• 2:07:58
  it's poised to be the next China and the US
• 2:08:03
  sees this and what does the US need more than.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Anything right now? An industrial plan?
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: And where is it going to get? Mexico and Maduro
• 2:08:16
  is just the first time where there's been a gigantic
• 2:08:20
  bounty on a president of a South American country in
• 2:08:23
  our lifetime.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: I think I don't remember anybody else with one of those.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: But it's barely making the news. But it's it's wild.
• 2:08:31
  He's it's wild. He's the president of a country, the
• 2:08:34
  president offering fifty million dollars for his capture.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's on the TV screaming, he's has
• 2:08:40
  these daily.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: How does he keep from geting kidnapped? I have no idea.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: They've tried to kill him. They try to blow him
• 2:08:46
  up with the drone ones.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: They try to imagine, like for fifty mili, like some
• 2:08:52
  figure out your figure, high level guys might snatch him up. Yeah,
• 2:08:55
  I don't know.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know how that works as far as a
• 2:08:57
  bounty on him, But he's he's worried. Mobilized militia forcees
• 2:09:02
  all over the country. There was three years ago, five
• 2:09:04
  years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by
• 2:09:07
  these private institution, private groups to go and try and
• 2:09:10
  liberate Venezuela, and they all got caught by fishermen on
• 2:09:13
  the coast.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: I think I caught by fishermen.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: There were some fishermen on the coasts that were like, Hey,
• 2:09:17
  what are these guys doing here fucking with the fifty
• 2:09:20
  kel on top of a pickup truck? And I think
• 2:09:22
  they were they were there, they were they were grabbed
• 2:09:24
  and they were put on media and like, oh, these
• 2:09:27
  guys are all people. They I think one of them
• 2:09:29
  did security for a Trump event, so they put it
• 2:09:31
  all on. Trump organized this. I don't know the whole
• 2:09:35
  of the details. This is like a little bit out
• 2:09:37
  of my wheelhouse. But what I've heard is that a
• 2:09:39
  lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people
• 2:09:42
  who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for
• 2:09:44
  the US by paying all these mercenaries war American to
• 2:09:49
  try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them. I think
• 2:09:52
  that's something like that's happened. There's a lot of gold
• 2:09:56
  coming out of that country. It has a lot of gold.
• 2:09:59
  There's a lot of shady things coming in and out
• 2:10:01
  of that country. Any country that is outside of the
• 2:10:03
  scope of friends of the United States. Is a country
• 2:10:05
  where shady shit can.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Have Jamie, what is the official reason why they have
• 2:10:09
  a bounty of maduro.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: A cocaine smuggling operation is allowing or responsible for and
• 2:10:17
  Mexico President says they don't have any evidence of that.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: See, and it's it's like, you don't have any evidence
• 2:10:24
  of that. But there's a bunch of Invela as well,
• 2:10:26
  and organizations in Mexico trying that you're fighting.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: Again, you know, that are clearly involved in smuggling.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they clearly have some sort of free movement
• 2:10:36
  between Venezuela and Mexico.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: What's going on going on?
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: But uh oh, I think we're we're headed for something.
• 2:10:50
  Last time I was here, I said, in five years,
• 2:10:52
  we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention
• 2:10:55
  in Mexico, which has already happened. I think with the
• 2:10:57
  rest of them. Miles Sambala, I kind of called the
• 2:10:59
  whole terrorist designation thing. I said, I didn't I think
• 2:11:02
  I didn't think he was going to do it on
• 2:11:03
  his first term, but the second one, and he skipped
• 2:11:07
  he skipped a term and then we had we had
• 2:11:10
  some time, and then he came back with a force.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: What do you think would have happened if he didn't
• 2:11:14
  win with who didn't want? If Trump didn't win, the
• 2:11:17
  border stayed wide open.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm an immigrant, Joe, and I've seen that side
• 2:11:30
  of policy in the US and how it's affected the
• 2:11:34
  community and generally the people. But on the other end,
• 2:11:39
  I also experienced Biden and the open bors.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: Policy and the amounts of.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: Horrible ship that I saw on that border and people
• 2:11:49
  being a bunch of kids that went missing or kids
• 2:11:52
  that were like, what's going on with all these kids?
• 2:11:54
  And why did they have armbands? And and all these
• 2:11:58
  human tramps. Yeah, all these migrant camps being set up
• 2:12:02
  on the border, and.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Which generally good people don't want to believe that human
• 2:12:07
  trafficking is a real business. It is. The child trafficking,
• 2:12:11
  it's a real business. It is a real business, and
• 2:12:13
  it is a big business.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: And most of anything related to sex traffic and specifically
• 2:12:18
  related to children.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: What part of the world do you think is the
• 2:12:21
  largest market for it?
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: Is?
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: The United States. They're always catching people too. They catch
• 2:12:30
  people and you're like, how many have they not caught? Yeah,
• 2:12:33
  you know, whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: The phenomenon, the phenomenon that's going on that I don't
• 2:12:40
  see a lot of people talk about, is that the
• 2:12:42
  fact that you know, a lot of Americans who are
• 2:12:44
  into this moved to Mexico, and in Mexico was harder
• 2:12:47
  to find some of these people. So a lot of
• 2:12:49
  it in some of these x BOT community places, there
• 2:12:52
  are people hiding out who are pedilows and they don't
• 2:12:55
  no longer have to figure out stuff in the US,
• 2:12:59
  so they're moving down there and they're doing some of
• 2:13:00
  that down there. Trafficking of children, the sales of children,
• 2:13:07
  child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico, very common in Mexico,
• 2:13:14
  and it's not something that you hear a lot about,
• 2:13:18
  but masses of people and children being moved up into
• 2:13:21
  the border have had some sort of organized effort with
• 2:13:26
  them to like help that out. You know, if you're
• 2:13:29
  a cartel member and you're on the board and all
• 2:13:31
  of a sudden you see fourteen kids that are all asleep,
• 2:13:37
  They're like, what the why are these kids like asleep? Oh,
• 2:13:40
  they're tired from the trip. I mean I have a kid,
• 2:13:45
  you know, she's like I stop at a Starbucks and
• 2:13:48
  she wakes up, like, where are you getting right?
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: All these kids are like a sleep, They're drugged. So
• 2:13:53
  they carry them drugged up into the all the way
• 2:13:56
  up to the border. This is this is Biden era.
• 2:14:00
  So they would drug all these these these these kids
• 2:14:03
  to not make them interact with anybody that might ask
• 2:14:08
  them any questions.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: Basically, they put.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: An armlan on them, and they had some sort of
• 2:14:13
  organized effort on the US side to receive them and
• 2:14:18
  put them wherever they need to be.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: All that was shady. All that was really shady. I'm
• 2:14:25
  not I don't know. I don't know what happens on
• 2:14:29
  this side. I don't know what happens on this side.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: As an immigrant myself, I know that this administration is
• 2:14:39
  specifically in this part of its and this history and
• 2:14:42
  what's happening right now is there's a lot of stress
• 2:14:45
  and fear. You know, I I I see the I
• 2:14:50
  see the effects of it and in in different industries, uh,
• 2:14:53
  from agricultural to culture to just this general anxiety that
• 2:14:59
  is that is a that is felt across the country
• 2:15:01
  by people of my color skin that look Mexican or
• 2:15:04
  are Mexican you know. But I also am not blind
• 2:15:07
  to or not stupid enough to see and compare it
• 2:15:10
  to the pasted administration and some of the shit that
• 2:15:12
  went on there.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: That's the problem is that it's an over correction. The
• 2:15:16
  problem is when you have an open border and you
• 2:15:19
  do know that cartail members are just freely going across,
• 2:15:22
  and you do have human trafficking and you want to
• 2:15:24
  stop it. Then you want to get everybody out that
• 2:15:28
  came in during the last four years. So now you
• 2:15:30
  have twenty million people you have to account for. And
• 2:15:34
  the problem is some of them are good people. Some
• 2:15:36
  of them are not gang members. Most of them are
• 2:15:39
  just people that wanted a better life most of them.
• 2:15:41
  But they have mandates now, and mandates get creepy because
• 2:15:45
  then people become numbers. And if you say we got
• 2:15:47
  to get rid of x amount every day, and then
• 2:15:50
  you just show up at home depot and you get
• 2:15:52
  some hard working guy with a family who just wants
• 2:15:54
  to like do some roofing jobs.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: You know, Dudes selling flowers, yeah, lady selling fruit in cups.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: And then there's this pushback on amnesty. People have this
• 2:16:06
  crazy pushback, like if someone's been here for twenty years.
• 2:16:10
  They've been working on a farm, and they're good people
• 2:16:12
  and they've established a family. Here, let's figure out a
• 2:16:15
  pathway to amnesty. And then there's the hard right pushback.
• 2:16:18
  They're like, fuck you, you got here illegally, Get the
• 2:16:21
  fuck out. It's like, those are jobs Americans could do.
• 2:16:23
  It's like, I mean, well, first of all, my take
• 2:16:28
  on that is if you're using illegal labor at the
• 2:16:34
  very at the bottom line, what you're doing is not
• 2:16:38
  paying people what they should be paid.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: Illegal immigration is illegal because people wanted to remain the
• 2:16:43
  side because they need that cheap labor.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: That's another addiction. Someone explained that to me that he
• 2:16:49
  was having a conversation with this extremely wealthy guy who
• 2:16:53
  was upset at the crackdown on the border because they
• 2:16:57
  need illegal workers. It's a part of their business model
• 2:17:01
  because you don't have to pay them any benefits. You
• 2:17:04
  don't have to pay them whatever. They're off the books. Yeah, exactly,
• 2:17:08
  and they can't complain if they do, yeah, which is
• 2:17:12
  that's not good. You shouldn't have that, So they should
• 2:17:17
  find out first of all, forget about whether or not
• 2:17:19
  someone's illegal or not, Like, what are you paying them?
• 2:17:22
  You should have like a detailed record of how much
• 2:17:24
  everybody who works for you gets paid. And if there's
• 2:17:26
  a bunch of people that are working for you that
• 2:17:28
  aren't on record, what's going on? Yeah, why you have
• 2:17:31
  this enormous corporation that relies on illegal labor.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: There there are legal means of coming up to the
• 2:17:38
  US and migrating or as a worker, but it's it's.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: Hard, that's the problem. If you're poor. If you're poor,
• 2:17:45
  it's almost impossible. I have good friends that have immigrated
• 2:17:48
  to the United States, and they have to prove that
• 2:17:50
  their job is something that can't be done by an
• 2:17:53
  American or that they're exceptional at their job.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: When I went through my immigration process, I had my
• 2:17:59
  wife I've known since I was sixteen next to me
• 2:18:03
  and my daughter, and they didn't believe that our marriage
• 2:18:08
  was real.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: So I did it legally and I had all of
• 2:18:13
  the things that I needed to have to have that
• 2:18:17
  immigration to go through, and it was the most difficult
• 2:18:20
  process that I've ever gone through. And I can't imagine
• 2:18:24
  other people that have.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, how about they don't speak English, right,
• 2:18:29
  how about they have no money?
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: But there are quotas for other countries. Like I remember
• 2:18:34
  when I got mine, there was like a Nigerian dude
• 2:18:36
  that couldn't speak English and he got it and I
• 2:18:39
  got like, we need more information.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: And that's another aspect of it again, somebody brown in
• 2:18:47
  this country that is an immigrant.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it's the foundation of most cities. I mean, they're crazy.
• 2:18:53
  I'll just ever see that documentary A Day without Mexicans. Yeah,
• 2:18:56
  the fucking whole country shuts down, especially La.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, uh, the California fires and all the houses
• 2:19:03
  that we've gotten out, Like who people in construction?
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: You go to some of these work sites, yeah, you
• 2:19:10
  could liken. It goes with that, yeah, exactly.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: And it's it's it's been wild seeing that and the
• 2:19:19
  effects that it has had on just general on the
• 2:19:25
  on the Mexican side is fear and anger and like
• 2:19:29
  more anti American feelings, you know, and also this new
• 2:19:35
  arrival of these Americans. Because think about this, and I
• 2:19:39
  have a friend that I that I sometimes help out
• 2:19:42
  in in places like Ijuana where we recent deportees show
• 2:19:47
  up in Tijuana and.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of them right now.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Imagine you live in the US from when you're two
• 2:19:55
  years old all the way your thirties and then they
• 2:19:58
  tell you right, and then you're now you're in a
• 2:20:01
  shanty town in Tijuana.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: Crazy, So that doesn't make anything that's immoral.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: Speaking the clearest English, like somehow they pay taxes for
• 2:20:10
  all this period, So like I got look, I paid
• 2:20:13
  my taxes and I and some of them have careers,
• 2:20:15
  some of them have families.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Is the kind of ship that drives me nuts. That's
• 2:20:20
  that's insane, Like they should be grandfathered in. You should
• 2:20:23
  figure out a way, like if someone came over here
• 2:20:25
  when they're two, stop, yeah, stop.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: The the amount of people getting kind of separated, and
• 2:20:32
  also the the I mean they're they're not. We have
• 2:20:38
  we have a we have a situation right now where
• 2:20:40
  there's American homeless people in Tijuana asking for money.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: Whoa right, that's one thing.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: And we also have people that you think are American
• 2:20:50
  but they're actually Mexicans who are recently deported, who are
• 2:20:52
  living in very dire conditions and hey, you want a job.
• 2:20:57
  I can't speak Spanish.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: Like dude, oh my god.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: So it's like and this is a phenomenon happening across
• 2:21:03
  the border and on this side.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about people that can't speak Spanish.
• 2:21:08
  Some of them can't speak Spanish. I meant I met
• 2:21:11
  a dude that again, I think he was since he
• 2:21:13
  was two. He was brought across and he.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: Found out that he he found out that he didn't
• 2:21:18
  have any He found out that he had any paperwork.
• 2:21:21
  I think at eighteen, when do some sort of process
• 2:21:23
  and they're like, wait, where's your Oh my god, and
• 2:21:28
  he got caught up I think at somewhere in LA.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: And you know, he sent down this this h this
• 2:21:37
  perception that it's all criminals is no, no, well they're
• 2:21:41
  saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally,
• 2:21:43
  it's a crime. Okay, so it was a two year
• 2:21:45
  old criminal, two year old hard and criminal and it's diaper. Yeah,
• 2:21:50
  come on, that's fucking insane.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: I think I think you're you're you're a spot on
• 2:21:56
  when you say this is an over correction. Yes, I
• 2:21:59
  think that is a very true statement.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: It's also treating people like numbers, yes, and you know,
• 2:22:04
  and not having the resources to look at each individual case,
• 2:22:09
  not having enough manpower and people and also everybody loses
• 2:22:13
  their compassion. You just deal with it over and over
• 2:22:16
  and over again. You're like, enough, what's your story. That's
• 2:22:19
  not really your kid, that's not really your wife. You know,
• 2:22:23
  people they you know, they get lied to enough that
• 2:22:25
  they lose their humanity. Yeah, I understand that aspect of it.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: It's horrible, but you know, this is this is We're
• 2:22:33
  going to live with the consequences of this, and our
• 2:22:35
  kids are going to live with the consequences of this.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: Probably in the future. And when people looks karma of it, Yeah,
• 2:22:40
  when people look back at.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: This, you know, the United States leaving Afghanistan as it
• 2:22:45
  did guaranteed that it's going to be very hard for America.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: To find friends internationally. Now.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: Realistically, however it deals with Mexico in the next few years,
• 2:22:57
  is going it's going.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: To define this nature.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: This is whatever's happening right now, whatever deals are being done,
• 2:23:05
  whatever this administration is pointing at, is going to define
• 2:23:08
  us or I mean, my kids are going to have
• 2:23:11
  to live with the results of this.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what were the There was mass deportations going on
• 2:23:18
  during the Obama administration too. This is what a lot
• 2:23:21
  of people aren't aware of. The used to call them
• 2:23:22
  the deporter in chief.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: And this is one thing that just makes me nuts.
• 2:23:27
  Because whenever I hear people up here they want to
• 2:23:31
  vilify just one side. I guess, yeah, you can't do that.
• 2:23:35
  But the trap, Yeah, that's a trap Obama. When Obama
• 2:23:38
  wasn't he deported a lot of people.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: I think it was somewhere around three million people. It
• 2:23:44
  was like this at the work. How many people do
• 2:23:46
  to the Obama administration to port over the entire eight years?
• 2:23:52
  I think it was like three million people. Yeah, so
• 2:23:55
  and I and I And why why was he deporting
• 2:23:57
  so many people? Sure?
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: They probably had some sort of political pressure.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: But the thing I point at is that within my
• 2:24:08
  same community, they try and point at people in politics
• 2:24:12
  as like, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party.
• 2:24:14
  He's going to help us, you know, whatever government governor
• 2:24:17
  it is in whatever state. Yeah, but no, he was
• 2:24:20
  a part of the same party that supported Obama, and
• 2:24:23
  Obama was doing all this.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: Three million, three hundred and seven thousand. So what is
• 2:24:30
  that total on the left, Jamie?
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 5: Total apprehensions and then the metal number you just read
• 2:24:35
  it as the border US Mexico border apprehensions.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: So those are just apprehensions or what about deportations?
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 6: And then remove total deportations is five million, five million,
• 2:24:47
  that's not just Mexico's kind of the point it's making, right,
• 2:24:51
  five million, Bush administration ten million. Boh Clinton administration twelve
• 2:24:56
  point three.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, how many is Trump deported? Let's find that out.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the the perception of the villainy, like in
• 2:25:09
  the community, it's all that's it's about pointing to those
• 2:25:12
  are the enemy, these are our friends of these are friends.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: What they're doing exactly right here. You know, people get
• 2:25:18
  so caught up in you know, it's a maga versus
• 2:25:22
  the Democrats, Like you're being played. Yeah, you're getting fucked
• 2:25:26
  no matter who's in office. The whole thing is a scam,
• 2:25:29
  and it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face.
• 2:25:32
  The whole thing has nothing to do with you. You're
• 2:25:36
  just a little pawn. And they use TikTok too, Yeah,
• 2:25:42
  they use there's so much propaganda being going on online.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: In my mind, I always I always think about this first,
• 2:25:49
  like I'm I'm an immigrant, I'm new here, I'm trying
• 2:25:52
  to figure things out. I've seen more of the United
• 2:25:55
  States than most Americans. I think I'm missing Hawaii, Iowa,
• 2:25:59
  and Alaska. But I've been every other place. I was
• 2:26:03
  in a room in Tennessee watching a bunch of dudes
• 2:26:05
  dance with poisonous snakes.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: At one point, Oh boy, you went to a snake
• 2:26:09
  handler place, beautiful experience in Mexico. America's go down in
• 2:26:14
  Mexico and watch bullfights. And when I was there, I
• 2:26:17
  was like, I'm doing exactly the same shit.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: You guys are doing shit up. Yeah, I grew up
• 2:26:23
  around snakes. I used to hunt them and sell the
• 2:26:25
  skin to the boot makers and stuff like that.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: So how did you get in contact with snake handlers?
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: I did a I do a lot of training across
• 2:26:33
  the country for police, government institutions privately, and we got
• 2:26:38
  a I did a medical class out in Tennessee and
• 2:26:43
  somebody there is like, hey, Ed, you're going like, we
• 2:26:46
  want to show you around, cheer you around. You want
• 2:26:48
  to go see a moon chine distillery. He's like Noah,
• 2:26:50
  Like I said, hey, are there any of these types
• 2:26:53
  of churches around here?
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: Are they? You know? It's so yeah, why would you
• 2:26:57
  want to go there? Because it's exhauting to me. Yeah,
• 2:27:01
  I want to go there too, I want to see. Yeah.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you too much about them. We just
• 2:27:05
  told me to keep it low key. But when I
• 2:27:08
  went there, they asked me, are you Christian. It's like,
• 2:27:10
  I'm Catholic, so you're not Christian? Catholic it's Christian. No,
• 2:27:14
  according to them, it's a it's a Satanic institution. Oh
• 2:27:18
  but I said, okay, are you ready to accept their
• 2:27:21
  true words?
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: I want to see, right, baskets start kind of getting
• 2:27:31
  pulled out, and you know, again, I grew up around snake,
• 2:27:35
  so I know what a what a basket with a
• 2:27:37
  snake might kind of there's something in there.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: I thought they were defanged in my mind.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: Those things are definitely real poisonous snakes. I don't know
• 2:27:48
  if they give them something, so they're like chill, No.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: They die all the time. Those guys. Yeah, one got
• 2:27:53
  whacked recently.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were still like handling.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: They're just fucking just proving their faith with the snakes. Well,
• 2:28:01
  if you're handling snakes all the time, they get accustomed
• 2:28:04
  to you handling them. Yeah, as long as you're feeding them.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: And I was I was like, oh, it's cool, but
• 2:28:08
  I don't have enough faith.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: I think. I think as long as you keep them
• 2:28:11
  fed and they don't feel like they're in danger. Yeah.
• 2:28:13
  I don't think they're gonna fuck you up. It's like
• 2:28:15
  when you encounter them in the wild, it's like they're
• 2:28:17
  just protecting themselves. They don't want to get you. Yeah.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: But there were some pictures around of some of the
• 2:28:22
  people that didn't have enough faith.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: I guess, oh I got whacked. Yeah. Did they die
• 2:28:28
  or they just like I think? I mean, I think
• 2:28:29
  they have pictures. There are people that passed. Because some
• 2:28:32
  people don't die, you just get horrible necrosis around the mound. Yeah.
• 2:28:37
  Well you need massive skin grafts and you lose like
• 2:28:39
  half your fucking muscle tissue in your leg. Yeah. See
• 2:28:43
  if you can find that article about a guy recently
• 2:28:46
  snake handler who got killed. Before I move on, Okay,
• 2:28:51
  he did his first term.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 5: He did half during during his first four years, he
• 2:28:57
  did one point five million deportations. That's about half of
• 2:28:59
  the Obama's first term, which was two point nine Wow,
• 2:29:03
  and same about the same as Biden's term, which is
• 2:29:05
  one point four nine Also, and what is he at now?
• 2:29:09
  I mean they're only six months into the year.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? Biden deported one point five four
• 2:29:16
  to nine million while letting in twenty Like, what do
• 2:29:21
  you think they were doing? Was that a part of destabilization?
• 2:29:25
  I know there was also efforts to move people to
• 2:29:28
  specific states so that you can get a larger number
• 2:29:31
  for the census, so you get more congressional seats. This
• 2:29:34
  is a dark thing that people don't want to admit
• 2:29:36
  because they're a died in the world democrat. But listen,
• 2:29:39
  it is.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: They don't remember who to vote for and they just
• 2:29:42
  get dropped that.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: A conversation with my parents about it, and they're like no,
• 2:29:44
  I'm like, yes, it's about congressional seats. It's like the
• 2:29:48
  census counts illegals, and not only that, they're trying to
• 2:29:52
  make it so that those people can vote. And if
• 2:29:54
  you can make it so that those people could vote,
• 2:29:56
  then all of a sudden, you ship these people to
• 2:30:00
  a place, you give them E B D Cards, you
• 2:30:02
  get them on food stamps, you give them Medicaid money,
• 2:30:06
  you get you they have money, and now who are
• 2:30:09
  you gonna vote for? You'd have over the people who
• 2:30:11
  got your money, people who give you the food stamps, Like,
• 2:30:14
  who are gonna vote for? You can have over the
• 2:30:15
  people that shipped you to Springfield, Ohio. This is a
• 2:30:19
  good spot.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: And why do you think that is, Like, yes, boat boats,
• 2:30:24
  congressional seats is one swing states, swing states, net population growth.
• 2:30:31
  I think there's a little of that too. Think I
• 2:30:32
  think there's population to collapse. There's a population that. I mean,
• 2:30:36
  nobody's immigrant. There's no immigrant crisis in China right now
• 2:30:40
  right and I think they're on their way to probably
• 2:30:42
  collapsing if they go through this downturn in their population.
• 2:30:47
  I think the US is at some points of its history,
• 2:30:49
  I think has been kind of close to that.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: Japan is in the middle of it. South Korea is
• 2:30:53
  experiencing it.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: And I asked because that I'm trying to find logic
• 2:30:57
  between deporting by the Biden administration doing that and then
• 2:31:02
  opening the door in that way.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: For me, it's always been interesting how a.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 3: Lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a
• 2:31:10
  narrative in their head all the way from where they
• 2:31:13
  where they're coming from up into the US.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: So, like.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: Sean Ryan was here a while ago, and I think
• 2:31:20
  you mentioned that we we actually went I took him
• 2:31:23
  down to TJ to one of these migrant caravans that
• 2:31:25
  was right on the border, and it's told a sewn.
• 2:31:29
  You want to talk to somebody's people. Sure, And he
• 2:31:31
  got a kick out of the fact that in the
• 2:31:33
  middle of this camp there was a giant Biden flag flying.
• 2:31:39
  But that wasn't That wasn't the funniest thing. Oh, I'll
• 2:31:42
  see if I could send you the picture all the
• 2:31:44
  all of the all of the guys that we were interviewing.
• 2:31:46
  This is still COVID mask era. Some of them had
• 2:31:49
  make America Great Again masks on. I have no idea
• 2:31:53
  who gave him those, but somebody with a sense of
• 2:31:55
  humor probably did. I have a picture of me and
• 2:31:59
  Sean Ryan with some with with some of the people
• 2:32:01
  that we interviewed, and they have the big America Great
• 2:32:03
  Again masks on. But they they were told by the
• 2:32:08
  organizers that they had a clear they had a clear
• 2:32:12
  uh path to the US, and then all they need
• 2:32:15
  to do was make a make make a lot of
• 2:32:18
  noise on the border, you know, make a lot of
• 2:32:21
  news worthy events on the border, talk to all the
• 2:32:24
  press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs, and
• 2:32:27
  then they could go, wow, that was there the mindset
• 2:32:32
  that a lot of them had, which is a weird one,
• 2:32:34
  you know. And then some of them would talk to
• 2:32:36
  us about the fact that they would get aid from
• 2:32:38
  the U, like from Americans would come down and give them.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Their camps, their tents USA. Uh and uh.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of dollars being handed out to
• 2:32:49
  pay for things. So it was all it was shady
• 2:32:53
  right now, Like I actually talked to three three I
• 2:32:58
  think they were Honduran. They just they just got to
• 2:33:01
  the border. Now they're they're there. Idea is to go
• 2:33:07
  to Europe. They have this weird sense that somebody told
• 2:33:11
  them somewhere down there that Europe is taking immigrants, so
• 2:33:14
  they're they're they're trying to make their way to Mexico.
• 2:33:16
  So from Mexico they want to go to Europe. They're
• 2:33:19
  not looking at the US anymore, which is a weird
• 2:33:23
  change in their narrative.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: You see, the mass immigration in Europe is bananas. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:33:30
  it's really crazy. Yeah and again, but what is it about, Like,
• 2:33:37
  why why would someone organize this, why would someone fund this?
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know, destabilization political means maybe they want the
• 2:33:49
  US wants to avoid depopulation of the client.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: So that this is one way that can backdoor it.
• 2:33:54
  There's probably many factors, right the political the destabilization is one,
• 2:33:59
  but just politically to get more congressional seats because of
• 2:34:02
  the way they use the census, which I think Trump
• 2:34:04
  is trying to change. Is he changing that? They said
• 2:34:07
  they weren't going to count illegals in the census anymore.
• 2:34:11
  I haven't heard of that?
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of laws or could you do
• 2:34:17
  that with an executive order? Like I don't know how
• 2:34:20
  you would do that, I don't know. But so you
• 2:34:22
  have that and then you have the true need for
• 2:34:25
  labor that people don't which yeah.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: Which is I mean again, I've been all over the
• 2:34:31
  country and every time I go into a hotel in
• 2:34:34
  the Oklahoma Whenos when I was, I was to the
• 2:34:39
  Buenos dash and eighty percent of the time like when
• 2:34:43
  is the s Like what part of Mexico are you from?
• 2:34:45
  We had this cool conversation kitchens like I've throughout.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: New York City. Anthony Bourdain told me about that it's
• 2:34:53
  all his best cooks for Mexico from Puebla. Wow.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I was in Vegas and this sushi restaurant, high
• 2:35:01
  level sushi restaurant.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: Trump calls for a new US census that excludes undocumented
• 2:35:05
  immigrants census has historically counted all residents regardless of citizens status,
• 2:35:10
  as required by the fourteenth Amendment, so you can't really
• 2:35:13
  do that.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 5: Congress has the power for the census, not the president,
• 2:35:17
  so he's changing something.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: So Congress would have to agree with him on something
• 2:35:21
  like that, which I think politically, there might be motivation
• 2:35:25
  to do that because you could gain the system by
• 2:35:28
  administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then the moving
• 2:35:34
  of all these immigrants to all these areas where you
• 2:35:38
  wanted to take over, which is crazy, like using these
• 2:35:41
  people as political ploys, and then they get a fresh
• 2:35:43
  start in America. So it's kind of like a win win,
• 2:35:47
  you know, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. Yeah.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: Whenever I whenever I travel, I always look at people
• 2:35:58
  in the service industry try to see where they're from,
• 2:36:01
  and it's always it's always Mexican. You know, a lot
• 2:36:04
  of them are a mean different parts of the country.
• 2:36:06
  It's different, but mostly Mexicans. Uh, Minnesota, there's a lot
• 2:36:11
  of uh not Mexicans there, Ethiopian, Yeah, a lot of Somalians.
• 2:36:16
  I think there was one that was running for mayor
• 2:36:20
  there was recently. Yeah, was on the Young Fella Yeah, yeah,
• 2:36:25
  pretty radical. He looked he looked exactly like somebody that
• 2:36:28
  appeared in a movie where he was a captain for
• 2:36:31
  a moment.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty fat.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: But independently of that, the the amount of cultures I'm
• 2:36:38
  experiencing across the country. It's like, wow, this is just
• 2:36:41
  like the u n of countries.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: You know, everywhere I go, I meet people from all
• 2:36:45
  over the world. Well, that's the part of the beauty
• 2:36:48
  of America. Really, the beauty of America is that it's
• 2:36:51
  a melting pot that's supposed to be what's cool about it,
• 2:36:54
  But when it's sort of weaponized in this way, when
• 2:37:00
  people are using it for their political gain and bringing
• 2:37:03
  people in for political gain and then making a person
• 2:37:06
  like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all
• 2:37:10
  this shit to try to get in here legally, you're like, oh,
• 2:37:13
  you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which
• 2:37:17
  is really easy.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 3: And I understand the part of the part of the
• 2:37:21
  American populace that artis like, we want to keep America America.
• 2:37:26
  Guess what, I want to keep America America. That's why
• 2:37:29
  I came up here, going to Kentucky and experiencing that
• 2:37:33
  in America.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, listen, there's no more American people than Cuban Americans.
• 2:37:38
  Those motherfuckers are hardcore, hardcore America. You know why because
• 2:37:43
  they know what the fuck communism looks like. This isn't
• 2:37:46
  just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college.
• 2:37:49
  Like their grandparents and their great grammar grew up oppressed,
• 2:37:54
  like they had to deal with that stuff. They escaped
• 2:37:56
  and they came up to America and they have no
• 2:37:58
  tolerance for any bull shit. Well, in Mexico right now,
• 2:38:03
  there are things you can't say. You know.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 3: There's laws that prohibit you from being violent verbally against
• 2:38:10
  a political figure if she's a female, and you'll have
• 2:38:13
  to go on TV and like read out like a
• 2:38:17
  whole thing apologizing for your insults. Public humuliation basically is
• 2:38:22
  being legalized in Mexico, and Mexico is going towards that
• 2:38:25
  side of things. But I'm up here and I'm seeing
• 2:38:31
  some of the things up here as well, you know,
• 2:38:33
  so like I don't I have this. I have this
• 2:38:35
  vision of the US where it's like cool, this is
• 2:38:39
  a place where I'm safe to pursue whatever happiness I
• 2:38:43
  think exists. I don't I didn't find that happiness in
• 2:38:46
  my country where I'm from, where I came from, because
• 2:38:51
  this or this or this or that. Why do I
• 2:38:53
  want to bring some of that here? I guess would
• 2:38:55
  be one of the ways that I think about it. Yeah,
• 2:38:58
  I don't, I don't want.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want. Hey, this Texas is kind of boring.
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in fucking militarized cartel members to roll around
• 2:39:04
  the city and pick up kids and shit like that
• 2:39:06
  and train them into camps.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: Well that's the big fear about Texas having Californians come here.
• 2:39:10
  Don't California are Texas? Yeah, you know, because they're like, man,
• 2:39:14
  California is just bullshit. We had to get out of here.
• 2:39:16
  This place. The laws are dumb. What made this place
• 2:39:21
  this place? Those fucking laws dumb ass? Yeah? Like constitutional
• 2:39:25
  carry cool, cool, that's a cool thing. Keeps everybody super polite.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's super polite. And also like, hey, you call
• 2:39:32
  the cops after, you know whatever mentality that is. In Mexico,
• 2:39:38
  airsoft guns are like on weird list, Like you can't buy.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: A site for a gun.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: If you want to buy a gun, you have to
• 2:39:47
  fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to
• 2:39:50
  anybody that doesn't have any real means or money to
• 2:39:53
  get get get guns or training. So it's basically you're
• 2:39:58
  not you don't get the privileged vent yourself in a
• 2:40:00
  country where you can't trust the cops ninety percent of
• 2:40:03
  all murders and never solved. And look at all these
• 2:40:05
  fucking robing gangs rolling around with fucking capabilities of taking
• 2:40:09
  down helicopters. They're cool, but you can't have a twenty
• 2:40:12
  two caliber pistol. That's the mindset. When I came up here,
• 2:40:17
  I'm like, ah, cool, this is like this is a
• 2:40:20
  place where that some of that is not the case.
• 2:40:23
  But then a bunch of gun laws passed in California
• 2:40:26
  while I was going through my process, and people started
• 2:40:28
  showing up to the gun range that I would go
• 2:40:30
  to training with like weird California complying guns that you
• 2:40:32
  have to like weld the magazine to a certain place
• 2:40:36
  and stuff like that, And I was like, oh man,
• 2:40:37
  it's changing up here too.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: Just California. Yeah, just California. California's rough. Some of the
• 2:40:44
  things that they did, like they made pistol companies make
• 2:40:47
  magazines with lower capacity if you can't kill people with
• 2:40:51
  a ten round magazine.
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: Like what what?
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: How many lives does that say? Zero? Some of those
• 2:40:57
  laws are retarded, but like, but that's it. It's just
• 2:40:59
  the illusion that they're doing something to combat drug violence
• 2:41:02
  or gang violence or gun violence or it's all illusions. Yeah,
• 2:41:06
  it's all like optics. But it is it is is.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's when I when I when I
• 2:41:11
  get asked about my American experience. You know, I've been profiled,
• 2:41:17
  I've been racist, shit has been.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: Sent to me. You know, where are you living these days?
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 3: Texas, Houston, Beautiful Houston. It's the right amount of ghetto.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 2: I love Houston. I love it. It's a little bit,
• 2:41:30
  it's a little bit of Mexican there. Yeah, Houston's a
• 2:41:33
  big grass melting pot. It's one of the best cities. Yeah,
• 2:41:36
  it really is.
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 3: I uh, when I when I got there, and again,
• 2:41:40
  I lived in Kentucky for a bit in California and
• 2:41:42
  then there. I've experienced great profiling and racism in California,
• 2:41:49
  which is pretty funny to say, but that's where I
• 2:41:51
  experienced the most of it. I've experienced people opening their
• 2:41:56
  houses to me and like just being the best people
• 2:42:00
  on the planet. I experienced that in Texas, in Kentucky
• 2:42:03
  with some people who were just like cool as fuck.
• 2:42:06
  I've experienced the best and the worst that the country
• 2:42:08
  has to offer, I think.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: And I can see in it like I get it.
• 2:42:12
  I get what America is like I dude.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 3: I finished high school and then I went to work
• 2:42:17
  for a paramilitary institution somewhere in New Mexico, and then
• 2:42:21
  I came up here and I have seven employees now
• 2:42:23
  in a company. I've spoken to members of Congress, I've
• 2:42:28
  trained federal forces and people that I've read about in
• 2:42:31
  books on how to do things that I learned in
• 2:42:33
  this horrible country warfare that I had to go through.
• 2:42:38
  There's no other place on the planet that would have
• 2:42:39
  provided me these opportunities for myself and for my daughter.
• 2:42:42
  There's no other place in the world. So like, I
• 2:42:45
  definitely have a fucking skin in the game when it
• 2:42:47
  comes to this country. It is disheartening that with the
• 2:42:54
  way things are now, like we're it like brown Mexican
• 2:42:58
  immigrants of any kind, legal or illegal, it right we are, yeah,
• 2:43:05
  it right now in the sights of ice, in the
• 2:43:08
  sights of any sort of authority figure that might want
• 2:43:10
  to like see like wait, wait.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 3: Who are you So that's it's a it's an anxiety,
• 2:43:17
  and again it's I've talking to people from my community
• 2:43:20
  across the country. It's it's it's a generalized anxiety of
• 2:43:25
  not feeling at home at home, which is dark.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 2: Dark. It's dark. Yeah, it's dark. Yeah, Yeah, that's a
• 2:43:34
  that's the problem with these fucking brains. It also makes
• 2:43:38
  the rest of us feel awful, Like people that aren't
• 2:43:42
  scared of it, you feel awful about like what America
• 2:43:45
  stands for, Like the idea that we would find it
• 2:43:48
  right to send some kid who was born here or
• 2:43:51
  born in Mexico but came over here when he was two,
• 2:43:54
  can't speak Spanish at all, some kid in La that
• 2:43:57
  just doesn't have paperwork, and all of a sudden he's Mexico. Yeah,
• 2:44:00
  Like that is fucking dark. That's crazy, and that makes
• 2:44:04
  everybody else feel like, oh, this isn't a good country.
• 2:44:07
  Then that's not a good thing to do. That's a
• 2:44:09
  bad thing. That's an immoral thing to do. That's a
• 2:44:12
  thing that you do when you don't care. And this
• 2:44:14
  is supposed to be the shining light of the world.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you I talk to everybody like, I'm an
• 2:44:22
  open conversation in open book with anybody.
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 2: I don't see anybody as an enemy. I don't see
• 2:44:25
  anybody as an opponent. Doe. I've been through shit. I've
• 2:44:28
  been through hell and back.
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 3: I've so I've encountered situations where I've had to talk
• 2:44:33
  to immigration officials and you know, and say like, hey, dude,
• 2:44:37
  what's it like, Like, what's what like being the villain
• 2:44:41
  right now? Like the amount of a lot of these
• 2:44:44
  guys are getting docksed. They're utilizing AI technology to take
• 2:44:47
  a picture of them and removing the mask and it
• 2:44:50
  gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are. Like
• 2:44:52
  There's there's people that documenting their tattoos and then doxing
• 2:44:56
  them online and I'm like, they are like, why you
• 2:45:00
  ask that, ed, because we were vilified too, and that's
• 2:45:03
  how they you know, that's how they got to us.
• 2:45:04
  You know, they started making us into the enemy. There
• 2:45:09
  is there is a lot of interest out there I
• 2:45:12
  can see at high levels to separate us and keep
• 2:45:15
  us fighting, Like at a cultural level, I.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: Think, hmm, more destabilization. So you think this is part
• 2:45:23
  of the plan. I don't know if there's a plan
• 2:45:25
  or not. Hopefully it kind of makes sense, like the
• 2:45:28
  part of the whole agenda is to create even more conflict.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 3: Hopefully somebody has a plan, Like I hopefully somebody knows
• 2:45:37
  what they're doing somewhere, but maybe if they don't, that's
• 2:45:43
  a dark That's.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: What makes me wonder. I wonder. I wonder if it
• 2:45:48
  really is a big plan or if it really is
• 2:45:50
  just fucking human chaos.
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 3: If I find myself in a room with Illuminati people
• 2:45:54
  and there's like then then I'm like, oh, these guys
• 2:45:55
  are smart whatever whatever this is. If we're going to
• 2:45:59
  be catalyt somebody that knows their ship is going to
• 2:46:01
  be in charge. But I don't, I don't know, Like
• 2:46:05
  I don't know.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: I see this, I see I see the US in people,
• 2:46:10
  like people internationally see the US declining. You know.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 3: I got to experience the US in the eighties, crossing
• 2:46:18
  the border and going to San Diego and going to
• 2:46:20
  SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions
• 2:46:23
  of everything bigger in the supermarkets, and then as an
• 2:46:26
  immigrant in the US now, like everything smaller and infrastructure
• 2:46:31
  is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: And it's not the US of the eighties, it's not
• 2:46:36
  the US of the nineties. It's different.
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I can see why people are screaming at
• 2:46:42
  the fact that, yeah, there's something has to be done,
• 2:46:45
  we're losing it as a country. But I think you
• 2:46:48
  hit it on the on the nail on the head.
• 2:46:50
  We went through Biden administration, that was all about who
• 2:46:57
  was in charge, is the question I have, Like, I
• 2:46:59
  don't know, was that dude in George No, somebody was.
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, I think there was more than
• 2:47:06
  one of that dude. You know, there's like fake Biden's.
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and his son going online and doing an interview
• 2:47:14
  and he's giving us, giving us like a intimate view
• 2:47:17
  of his family conversations and nothing fun. He's a party
• 2:47:22
  party with that guy, probably, well not not anymore back then.
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think he even parties anymore.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 3: But it's wild to think those and then people question
• 2:47:32
  why things are the way they are and why people
• 2:47:34
  are struggling in different parts of this different parts of
• 2:47:37
  society in this country. I came here to work and
• 2:47:42
  to make a better life for myself and for my kid,
• 2:47:44
  and I somehow managed to be in a place where
• 2:47:47
  I have like a employees and I have a company
• 2:47:49
  and I'm working, I'm doing work.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 2: I can American dream.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 3: It is the American dream, and it still exists and
• 2:47:57
  I'm proof of it still being real. But it is
• 2:48:01
  under attack from all sides, from all sides. Yeah, from
• 2:48:07
  all sides. I'll say that three times. Yeah, people need
• 2:48:10
  to realize that it's not just right, it's everywhere. There's
• 2:48:16
  there's there's definitely an interest.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 2: To keep us all fighting. Yeah, and social media is
• 2:48:23
  a big part of that. Yeah. Yeah, that's literally how
• 2:48:27
  most people are getting their information and getting their narratives.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 3: And the same fight that that is played on social
• 2:48:33
  media statewide, state side, is kind of like the same
• 2:48:36
  fight that is being sold to us. As far as
• 2:48:39
  Mexico versus the United States, We're not enemies, We're not
• 2:48:44
  we shouldn't be enemies, we should be the best of friends.
• 2:48:48
  There are thousands of Americans living in Mexico. Now, there's
• 2:48:52
  protests going on for gentrification in Mexico City from people
• 2:48:56
  being local being pushed off. Yeah, they go home, ringos,
• 2:48:59
  written walls. Meanwhile, there's ice rates in La and people
• 2:49:04
  have been rolled up and being deported, and that's happening
• 2:49:08
  all the while, where people are like Mexicans are like
• 2:49:10
  sick of all these Americans living in all these cool
• 2:49:12
  parts of Mexico and gentrifying them, which is wild. I mean,
• 2:49:16
  are we into mass American deportations next from Mexico? Is
• 2:49:21
  that going to happen? In the past, you can just
• 2:49:24
  cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask.
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 2: You for shit. Now they ask you for ID. Ah
• 2:49:30
  really yes.
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of Americans that live in places like Tijuana
• 2:49:34
  and then work in San Diego have encountered this.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, things are changing, like where's your ID?
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 3: They look Mexican, Yeah, well, where's your federal vot ID.
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 2: It's like you're an American, right and you just work
• 2:49:49
  in San Diego. Yeah, they go back and they really
• 2:49:53
  had this in the back.
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 3: Do you have to pay for like a visa extension
• 2:49:58
  thing so you can cross the bord regularly or you
• 2:50:01
  can be in Mexico for long periods? But things are
• 2:50:04
  changing again. These lines are being drawn on the ground,
• 2:50:08
  and I don't think are good for anybody. Free commerce
• 2:50:11
  at that border. San Diego and Tijuana are one and
• 2:50:14
  the same from blood family commerce, Yeah, they're one and
• 2:50:19
  the same.
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 2: Why draw a line there? Yeah. When I used to
• 2:50:23
  work in San Diego and I used to stand up
• 2:50:25
  down that and you know, if I hung out after
• 2:50:28
  the shows, I'd meet a bunch of people that came
• 2:50:30
  to the show from Mexico. Yeah yeah, and I'd say, Wow,
• 2:50:33
  you just came over here for the show. Yeah, drive across, Yeah,
• 2:50:37
  drive across.
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 3: And there's again we get as both of Mexico is
• 2:50:44
  poised to be a powerhouse economically if we don't fuck
• 2:50:48
  it up with socialism.
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 2: Oh and why is that being pushed too? More destabilization.
• 2:50:55
  But it is poised to be a powerhouse.
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 3: You know, we have we have the youth, we have
• 2:51:02
  everything we need to just fucking explode resources, everything. But
• 2:51:07
  that's the same reason why we're being targeted so much
• 2:51:11
  for destabilization there.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, there's no path forward. I think.
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 3: To have a isolated the United States with giant walls
• 2:51:21
  and guards on the walls and nobody crossing that wall
• 2:51:25
  and Mexico next to it.
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't I don't want to.
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's I don't I wouldn't want to
• 2:51:29
  go there.
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: No, there's always been this free flow back and forth.
• 2:51:33
  They just gotta make it so that cartel members can't
• 2:51:36
  just come across or or terrorists from other countries don't
• 2:51:39
  have an easy pathway.
• 2:51:43
  Speaker 3: The flow of armaments going down to Mexico, oh yeah,
• 2:51:47
  is one issue. The flow of drugs coming up from
• 2:51:51
  Mexico is another issue. The organized crime elements in Mexico
• 2:51:57
  doing horrific things to the local populous and to each
• 2:52:01
  other when they fight each other is an issue. But
• 2:52:04
  also the United States historical foreign policy to Mexico and
• 2:52:08
  its responsibility for a lot of these things happening in.
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 2: Mexico is also key.
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 3: What should the United States do about its responsibility in
• 2:52:16
  the past and some of its foreign policies in Mexico
• 2:52:19
  that have led Mexico to be where it is right now.
• 2:52:21
  As far as violence, I don't know, I don't. I
• 2:52:25
  don't think a full on military attack like Afghanistan in
• 2:52:29
  Iraq would be the answer because.
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: We see where that goes.
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 3: It's not as easy as sending just drones down there
• 2:52:36
  and exploding a few dudes. Because we've also seen.
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 2: What that happens.
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 3: When you cut the head of one snake, you know
• 2:52:42
  you just abducted the head of the Seine Law cartel
• 2:52:44
  and brought up to Texas and all and all that did.
• 2:52:48
  It didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico, but it didn't
• 2:52:51
  end the scene of law cartel. It just made a
• 2:52:54
  giant war in the state of Sceinalala and it divided
• 2:52:58
  up one cartel into two. Win probably made one of
• 2:53:00
  the biggest threats to the United States natural security as
• 2:53:03
  far as cartels go, bigger and more influential, that's.
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 2: What that did. Wow. And as again the path forward,
• 2:53:13
  I don't know this.
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 3: Both countries are linked through blood genetics, culture. You know,
• 2:53:21
  there's a dude online saying that Mexican food is better
• 2:53:24
  in the US than Mexico.
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 2: Is nuts, non sense. He's just an idiot, nonsense stupid dude.
• 2:53:30
  You'll know who I'm talking about. But both countries are
• 2:53:35
  like again, I've been across this country, I traveled across it,
• 2:53:38
  and it is a great country. I love it. I
• 2:53:41
  love it, I love it.
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 3: I love Mexico as well. It's it's my home country
• 2:53:45
  and I travel when I can there as well. I
• 2:53:48
  don't see a future without both of our countries. Just
• 2:53:51
  like figuring things out together. There's no I don't. I
• 2:53:54
  don't see a future.
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 2: Like that, well said.
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 3: Well said, we are going to need each other more
• 2:53:59
  than we think when when in the coming years, and
• 2:54:03
  open warfare between.
• 2:54:05
  Speaker 2: Both countries is not fucking insane, It's not going to be.
• 2:54:08
  It's not going to lead to anything.
• 2:54:11
  Speaker 3: You The United States doesn't have the manpower to stop
• 2:54:13
  the wave of migration that will come out of that country.
• 2:54:16
  If you start fucking lobbing targeted strikes in certain parts
• 2:54:20
  of that country, there's no way. So if you want
• 2:54:24
  to talk about it like my migration is your issue,
• 2:54:26
  that you're you're going the wrong way. And also what
• 2:54:31
  at what point to some of these criminal organizations, as
• 2:54:34
  as I said, become freedom fighters, right, and once they
• 2:54:38
  become freedom fighters, at what point do they start targeting
• 2:54:42
  Americans living down there?
• 2:54:45
  Speaker 2: And it's just not good. I wonder if they've thought
• 2:54:50
  it out like the US government's thought it out the
• 2:54:52
  way you're laying it out.
• 2:54:54
  Speaker 3: I've spoken to members of Congress, and I've spoken to members,
• 2:55:01
  have been in Washington a few times, and I've spoken
• 2:55:02
  to people that are in charge of things, and they
• 2:55:08
  have notions. Some of them, you know, but some of
• 2:55:11
  them are clearly you know they took.
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 2: That don't get that world. And if they're not like
• 2:55:17
  fully invested in finding out and really diving deep and
• 2:55:21
  getting an understanding of it, how how could they know what?
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 3: There's Well, they're doing the right thing by like I've
• 2:55:30
  I've been in rooms with people who were part of
• 2:55:32
  this conflict and and they're they're asking the right people,
• 2:55:38
  but they're some of them are verifying, Like, oh, we
• 2:55:41
  were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local
• 2:55:43
  officials there and they told us that they're doing this now,
• 2:55:45
  and look at all those drugs that they just got.
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 2: They're doing their job now.
• 2:55:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, I used to work for them,
• 2:55:52
  and I could tell you that those boxes beneath those
• 2:55:54
  pills are probably empty and they're just there to like
• 2:55:57
  produce a visual weight, yeah of it. And also like
• 2:56:02
  that unit that that did that, uh, that seizure. Yeah,
• 2:56:06
  they're on a payroll for this organization. And also the
• 2:56:10
  governor of this place where this seizure happened. Yeah, you
• 2:56:14
  just took her visa away because the husband is involved
• 2:56:17
  in fuel smuggling, So like is.
• 2:56:22
  Speaker 2: This a win? Wow?
• 2:56:27
  Speaker 3: But yes, I'm sorry, but yeah, there are people that
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  are trying to figure it out. In the government, there
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  are people that are asking the right questions. I just
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  I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what's
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  going to happen with with the information. But a few
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  things are clear. Everything is on the table as far
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  as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America
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  right now. There is an interest by the United States
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  in some of that going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's clear. And what that's going to look like.
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  Speaker 3: Is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest
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  of Alamayo Sambala on a plane and some pretty kind
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  of weird circumstances do the United States? Is the United
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  States already doing political political counter operations against the regime
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  that is ruling over Mexico in some way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: There there's a bunch of political exposa is going on
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  over Mexico right now, with a bunch of like documents
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  and members of their very austeer political party having lavish
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  lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and
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  then that goes on the news, and then the President
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  of Mexico says the CIA probably is taking all those
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  pictures as a counter operation to what they're doing. Oh boy,
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  So I think whatever is happening is it's it's it's
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  already in motion. Again, My point is, the cost of
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  this is if it's if it isn't done in a
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  in a if it isn't done if it isn't done correctly,
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  if it isn't done in a way where it's not
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  taking to consideration the outcome or the fallout of something
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  like abducting another giant head of a cartel down there
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  or taking him out. And I think the biggest target
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  out there is the head of the new generation cartel.
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  I think that's if I could be a psychic right
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  now and I say the US is going to applan
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  some sort of direct action operation, I think that's going
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  to be aimed at them. But you know, if the
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  Americans have a vision that they're going to go somewhere
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  and everybody's going to be wearing cartel member vest on,
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  I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and
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  they have a bunch of police officers with full uniforms
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  that we're actually a police officer there or members of
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  the military then engage in a firefight with them. And
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  call backup from the military. And then now you're involved
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  in a nash in a in a fight with the
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  with the army down.
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  Speaker 2: There because they're all involved with the cartel, some of
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  them are.
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  Speaker 3: Again, we hear these stories of these people, who's draining them,
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  who's supplying them, Who's who's showing them how to use
• 2:59:13
  those rocket launchers that they're getting from the Ukraine. You
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  hear these stories and you're like, just like that dude
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  standing up there, the CIA, all the drug the years
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  like Ed, you're fucking you're just talking out of your
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  ass's conspiracy theory shit. Five years ago I said terrorist
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  designation and direct action in Mexico against a high level cartel,
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  and here we are. Yeah, And maybe I maybe on
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  that side of conspiracies, but I've been pretty spot on.
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  Speaker 2: You've been pretty spot on.
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  Speaker 1: Ed.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you very much. I'm glad we did this.
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  I've been following your work over the last five years
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  and you're always on it, so it's great to hear
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  you lay all this stuff out. Tell everybody how they
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  can find you online.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, last time I was here, they deleted my Instagram
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  account of over five hundred thousand followers.
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  Speaker 2: After the podcast, I posted.
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  Speaker 3: Something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during
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  COVID and they Instagram didn't like that and they took
• 3:00:12
  down my account.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, So what is it now?
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  Speaker 3: It is Manifesto Radio Podcast at It's at Manifesto Radio
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  Podcast on Instagram and on YouTube if you want to
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  check me out.
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  Speaker 2: I have a small podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to just people related to this environment, and
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  I post pictures daily and a bunch of weird memes
• 3:00:36
  and stuff like that. It's basically an open blog of
• 3:00:40
  my travels. I'm constantly traveling, talking to people that are
• 3:00:43
  involved in this and just putting the word out there.
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  I'm not in politics. I am not a reporter. I'm
• 3:00:50
  not a cartel reporter. I am a dude that went
• 3:00:53
  through some shit. I'm still going through some shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Figure things out as a new American and I want
• 3:00:59
  the best. We're both countries. That's where I am.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful. Thank you, Ed, I appreciate your brother. Thank you
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  all right, bye everybody,