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QAnon News You Can Use! · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Went insurance troth.
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Speaker 2: I'm a check with the audults. Hey, everybody, welcome to
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Speaker 2: Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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Speaker 1: Who are you. I'm Olivia Heidar.
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Speaker 2: That I believe makes us your hosts Olivia, how's it going.
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Speaker 1: It's going good. It's going good. Kick complain, Yeah, sunny day,
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Speaker 1: is it?
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Speaker 2: That's good? In Indianapolis, I was just in the Midwest
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Speaker 2: and it was the weirdest thing. It was cold enough
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Speaker 2: when I first got there that I went to Old
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Speaker 2: Navy and bought a coat. Yeah, and then I immediately
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Speaker 2: didn't need that. It got like just warm enough for
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Speaker 2: me to not need that, but it was still like sixties,
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Speaker 2: like high sixties, like mid to high sixties. Sure. Sure,
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Speaker 2: And then like the last four hours in the Midwest,
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Speaker 2: it just all of a sudden was ninety five degrees.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll speak up on you.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how I don't have pneumonia right now.
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Speaker 2: I think it's because I was in a car when
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Speaker 2: that change all happened, and that right ran into an
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Speaker 2: airport and got back to a place with regular weather.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the weather here, I mean, I'm sure it's
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Speaker 1: slightly different. I'm sure you were in more of the
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Speaker 1: plains area of the Midwest. Plane is right, Yes, I mean,
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Speaker 1: of course, you know, Indiana is a little bit more
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Speaker 1: in the eastern like RUSTBELTI part of the Midwest. But
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Speaker 1: we do have a fun thing where it will be
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Speaker 1: thirty degrees on Monday and then on Wednesday it'll be eighty.
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Speaker 1: That's about That's just how spring is. Now.
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Speaker 2: Well, what's fun about when that happens, because I remember
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Speaker 2: that from living in the Midwest, is when it snows
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Speaker 2: in between. Sure, yeah, it's like thirty, it snows and
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Speaker 2: then it's eighty and that goes right in your basement.
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Speaker 2: All that water just goes right into your basement, and
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Speaker 2: it's a huge fiasco for everybody. Uh yep.
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Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad I don't have one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I moved to a place that doesn't
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Speaker 2: have basements or seasons, either of those things. So this
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Speaker 2: week we're doing a different sort of episode. We do
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Speaker 2: these episodes on the Unpopular Opinion podcast all the time.
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Speaker 2: We do local news roundups on pretty scary we do
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Speaker 2: creepy news Roundupskay Conspiracy podcast doesn't quite lend itself to
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Speaker 2: a news round up. Usually it's not like you can
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Speaker 2: just google conspiracy news and there's right fresh content every
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Speaker 2: single day. That's not really how conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: Work, right, And also like a lot of times, like
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Speaker 1: if something does pop up, you know it's something that
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Speaker 1: maybe requires a little bit more of a deep dive
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Speaker 1: approach than the kind of the scattershot.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I could just pull up I'm sure one
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Speaker 2: American News has a website and I oh.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, oh my god.
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Speaker 2: Page and pull headlines from that and we could take
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Speaker 2: it from there.
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Speaker 1: But do you want to do that to your soul
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Speaker 1: as like a regular podcast thing.
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Speaker 2: I don't want it in my search history, even though
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Speaker 2: I admitted on the most recent on pops that I
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Speaker 2: did sign up for truth Social when given the opportunity,
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Speaker 2: and then they sent me the email and we're like
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Speaker 2: you're in, and I was like, I'm over it. I
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Speaker 2: bet it's stupid. So I took a slightly more ethical approach,
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Speaker 2: I think, to finding story to see if a conspiracy
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Speaker 2: news round up was possible, and by that I typed
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Speaker 2: the word conspiracy into Google. I don't know if I've
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Speaker 2: heard of Google, but it's okay site where if you
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Speaker 2: search words, it will tell you things about those words,
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Speaker 2: and I typed in conspiracy and I headed to the
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Speaker 2: news section. And because we are living in the age
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Speaker 2: of QAnon, there was actually plenty to talk about.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, yes, So that's what we're going to do.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some conspiracy related news and
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Speaker 2: speaking of QAnon, this story is from February of this year.
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Speaker 2: About a quarter of Republicans would consider themselves QAnon adherents.
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Speaker 2: That is according to a poll conducted by the Public
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Speaker 2: Religion Research Institute. Is that higher or lower than you
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Speaker 2: thought it would be?
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Speaker 1: That is about what I would have guessed. Like, if
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Speaker 1: you gunn to my head asked me to guess, it
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Speaker 1: would have been twenty five to thirty percent, that would
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Speaker 1: have been my guess.
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Speaker 2: See, I would have said closer to forty to fifty percent. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess. I don't really take any comfort
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Speaker 2: in this because a quarter of Republicans that's a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of people.
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Speaker 1: Right, And also the other three quarters don't care if
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Speaker 1: people are qan on and will vote for q and
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Speaker 1: On people, so it doesn't in the end, we're kind
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Speaker 1: of split in semantic cares.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it comes down to red Q versus blue
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Speaker 2: Q people are going to vote either way. It's still
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Speaker 2: just another version of lesser of two evils, right, So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I guess in the big scheme of things, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter except the part where that quarter of Republicans translates
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Speaker 2: to forty four million people, which means there are forty
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Speaker 2: four million people in this world who would have absolutely
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Speaker 2: no problem with their only being forty four million people
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Speaker 2: in the United States and it being those forty four
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Speaker 2: million people. That's what's concerning, because I don't know if
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Speaker 2: the rest of the people in the United States. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if we're ready. Like our army certainly is
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Speaker 2: not forty four million strong.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but it doesn't need to be though. For one thing,
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Speaker 1: one drone is good for at least a million of that.
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Speaker 1: But also, the US military is never going to be
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Speaker 1: engaged against right wing conspiracy there is. That's not going
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Speaker 1: to happen. They're in the military also, and.
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Speaker 2: The police and local government, right.
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Speaker 1: They're in the police, eral government, right.
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Speaker 2: But beyond that, they haven't made any inroads into American
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Speaker 2: life at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that they're just a fringe group. They don't have
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Speaker 1: any power whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Fringe wordos.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You know, I don't love this obviously, I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's good. I think it's a bad thing.
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Speaker 1: But also like this is the same I mean again,
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Speaker 1: these are the same kind of numbers that you'd get
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Speaker 1: if you would ask like any what like who would
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Speaker 1: back Trump and like some sort of like coup, you know,
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Speaker 1: like it's these are the same sort of numbers that
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Speaker 1: we've gotten. It's a third, roughly a third of the
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Speaker 1: country basically, you know, even if what we're talking about
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Speaker 1: here is just Republicans, but like overall, uh, you get
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Speaker 1: to battle through the country who just doesn't give a
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Speaker 1: shit about the truth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually conspiracy news that came out this week
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Speaker 2: since I had researched this. The leader of the Oathkeepers
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Speaker 2: I believe his name is Stuart Rhodes h There were
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Speaker 2: either audio recordings or emails. I think it was audio
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Speaker 2: recordings that surfaced where he was just kind of imploring
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Speaker 2: Trump to expose the Satan worshiping Democrat pedophile culture because
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Speaker 2: then that would help justify what was happening on January sixth.
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Speaker 2: So if he would just simply lift the veil and
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Speaker 2: show the American people that a Satanic cabal of child
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Speaker 2: sex traffickers have been in charge this whole time. That
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Speaker 2: would fix things. And here's the thing, Yeah, probably would,
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Speaker 2: which makes it all the more suspicious that that has
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Speaker 2: never happened, despite so many doomsday prophecy type promises that
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Speaker 2: that very thing was gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like it was probably a tactical error
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Speaker 1: to make this plea of Trump, who is definitely involved
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Speaker 1: in an elite ring of pedophiles. So I feel like
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Speaker 1: that's just you're barking up the wrong tree, I dare do.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand that disconnect. I will, like I get
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Speaker 2: compartmentalized thinking is a thing with people who follow authoritarian types.
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Speaker 2: Read the book The Authoritarians. There's all kinds of uh
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Speaker 2: scientific information about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that.
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Speaker 2: Is such a stretch to be like that guy, the
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Speaker 2: one guy with video of himself standing next to Jeffrey
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Speaker 2: Epstein pointing at young girls at a party. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: the guy you think is gonna protect you from the
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Speaker 2: pedophile cult? What is wrong with you?
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Speaker 1: They're stupid. Look, I'm such a fucking broken record on
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Speaker 1: this show, but they're all fucking morons, And that doesn't
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Speaker 1: The thing is it's not gonna stop them from destroying
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Speaker 1: the world. It would just be they're gonna do it
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Speaker 1: in a really stupid fucking way.
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Speaker 2: Oh so frustrating. Yes, also frustrating. Nine percent of Democrats
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Speaker 2: surveyed counted themselves why which here's the thing that's not
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Speaker 2: that far off from the sixteen percent of the population
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Speaker 2: as a whole. There's a lot of Democrats.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, what do you Why are you still
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Speaker 1: a Democrat? What do you stand to gain from this that?
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Speaker 2: Like, are those like the mansion democrats, like the Curt
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Speaker 2: Kirsten cinema democrats.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I guess Like, but I mean, like
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Speaker 1: seriously though, and like I barely consider myself a Democrat
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Speaker 1: And I don't I mean, I don't consider you know
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Speaker 1: you know it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But like I just.
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Speaker 1: That kind of short circuits my brain a little bit
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Speaker 1: because I don't understand again, what do you What are
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Speaker 1: you gaining from believing in QAnon? When that's all about you?
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Speaker 1: It's about you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that was really interesting is age
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Speaker 2: and religion both played almost no role in people's thoughts
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Speaker 2: on this. Also, partisanship and ideology were not the biggest
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Speaker 2: driving factors Olivia. You're not gonna believe this. It was
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Speaker 2: media consumption. Oh wow, okay, so yeah, people taking in YouTube,
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Speaker 2: the YouTube algorithm of course, of course, of course, or
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess can you even blame the
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Speaker 2: YouTube algorithm anymore?
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Speaker 1: Like I mean YouTube, between YouTube and podcasts and like
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Speaker 1: Fox News and you know the other mainstream news networks. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean, like that's a that's gonna go a long
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Speaker 1: way towards poisoning your brain. Yeah, it, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I guess it almost at this point, like there have
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Speaker 1: to be people who are still jumping on board the
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Speaker 1: QAnon train in it.
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Speaker 2: It feels like, I don't know. There was a point
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Speaker 2: in my life where I was like mid to late
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Speaker 2: thirties and I just started smoking again. And I remember
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Speaker 2: I mentioned that to someone and they were like, well,
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Speaker 2: that's a very adult decision. It's like you have all
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Speaker 2: this information about and I hadn't smoked in years. It's
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Speaker 2: like you know everything about how dangerous smoking is, how
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Speaker 2: bad it is, and you're just going to do it again.
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Speaker 2: Like I can get falling for QAnon years ago if
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Speaker 2: you're stupid and on the internet, sure, yes, But now
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Speaker 2: we were so far removed from that, and you have
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Speaker 2: to know the stigma that comes with it. And there's
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Speaker 2: a reason that stigma exists, and it's because this is
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Speaker 2: an insane theory. Here's the thing. Sex trafficking is not
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Speaker 2: an insane theory. Child sex trafficking obviously happens, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, obviously there are people working in
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Speaker 2: concert to make that happen. But if you specifically think
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is fighting a cabal of child sex traffickers
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Speaker 2: who secretly rule the world, you are being duped.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but is it just that? Is it still
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Speaker 1: just that? Now? Well, the child sex trafficking thing, is
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Speaker 1: that all they're mad about or are like it's never like.
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Speaker 1: The thing that's always been weird about QAnon is it's
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Speaker 1: felt like it's kind of a constantly shifting goalposts, what
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Speaker 1: kind of movement.
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Speaker 2: I don't say this to defend QAnon by any stretch
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Speaker 2: of the imagination, but I have mentioned before that I
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Speaker 2: think QAnon has kind of become like Alex Jones, where
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Speaker 2: all you really have to do is connect something to
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Speaker 2: QAnon to make it seem completely ridiculous to people. So
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Speaker 2: I think sometimes, like we're going to talk about another
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Speaker 2: story later where a thing gets tied to QAnon and
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist that I don't think it's really justified. Sure,
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Speaker 2: and it just seems more like an attempt to smear
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Speaker 2: that thing by saying, well, look, QAnon likes this, right,
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Speaker 2: And all it takes to do that is for someone
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Speaker 2: to tweet something about a conspiracy theory, and then you
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Speaker 2: dig into their social media profile enough and go, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: they also tweeted a QAnon thing, and now you can,
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Speaker 2: I guess rightfully put out an article with a headline
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Speaker 2: that says QAnon supporters question Saudi Arabia's role in nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven, and it's like the fuck. A lot of
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Speaker 2: people question that it's not a QAnon thing, but that
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Speaker 2: is going to make it a QAnon thing and a
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Speaker 2: lot of people's minds forever and ever and ever. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so I don't know how much of because here's
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Speaker 2: the thing, I don't follow QAnon, Like I don't. I'm
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Speaker 2: not like taking in the drops or anything if they're
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Speaker 2: still happening.
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Speaker 1: Like that's the other thing about this, like the wh
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Speaker 1: like q seems to be a non thing anymore. I
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Speaker 1: feel like, especially after January sixth, most people even in
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Speaker 1: quanon kind of lost faith in q as an individual,
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Speaker 1: you know, individual.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think people got a little lazy in
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Speaker 2: digging into what QAnon really is or was. I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people were just really content with figuring out, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: it was that Jim Watkins guy, right, that's that's the
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Speaker 2: guy who was doing it, without really diving into the
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Speaker 2: why because I'm sorry, but oh, he's an Internet troll.
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Speaker 2: That's a lazy justification for the like QAnon had. That
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Speaker 2: had to be more than one dude being a troll
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Speaker 2: on the Internet. Like, look at what it has resulted in.
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Speaker 2: That feels like a psychological experiment. It feels like CIA shit,
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Speaker 2: Like it feels like the kind of weird mind fuckery
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Speaker 2: that this government gets up to. Right, But we were
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Speaker 2: just like, oh, well it was Jim Watkins and it's
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Speaker 2: I guess that's all we need to know. Yeah, It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I feel like we might need to know a little more.
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Speaker 1: No, I think we definitely need there's a lot more
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Speaker 1: to know. And I don't think even if it was
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Speaker 1: quote like all Jim Watkins or whatever, I don't think
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Speaker 1: that necessarily means that it doesn't merit any further investigation.
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Speaker 1: But it's kind of just an easy rallying cry, is
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Speaker 1: what it seemed like more than anything. Like it's a
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Speaker 1: you know, you can make a logo out of it,
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Speaker 1: you can you know, have all your catchphrases. It's all
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, you collect all of these different
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Speaker 1: types of right wing conspiracies into this que umbrella.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Internet branding, but right for a nefarious conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 2: It's going to get Democrats murdered on the White House
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Speaker 2: lawn something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of like the next level of
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Speaker 1: the Tea Party basically.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy to say something like QAnon makes
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Speaker 2: the Tea Party look pretty tame, but they do.
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Speaker 1: Right, Like, at least the Tea Party was talking about policy.
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Speaker 2: Right and taxes, even though they were completely oblivious about
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Speaker 2: how tax has worked. One of my favorite moments from
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it was probably The Daily Show, but
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Speaker 2: they were at a tea Party rally and this woman
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Speaker 2: was on a Rascal scooter protesting free healthcare and the
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Speaker 2: guy's like, how'd you pay for that scooter? And she
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Speaker 2: was like medicare. It's like, lady, you're protesting. The thing
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Speaker 2: got you literally got you to this rally because you
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Speaker 2: do not walk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look and again, you know, documentary Republican
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Speaker 1: hypocrisy is kind of old this point, but it's definitely
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Speaker 1: a thing. I feel like maybe there's like a whole
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Speaker 1: QAnon catchup episode to do, like where we're like, what
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Speaker 1: is going on with them right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know now that I'm kind of scrolling through
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Speaker 2: the rest of the stories, every fucking thing on here
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Speaker 2: is essentially QAnon well related.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying about, like it's
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Speaker 1: collecting everything on the right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think this next story is a good example.
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Speaker 2: Is this one that should be QAnon related? Sure, which
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Speaker 2: is the Ukraine bioweapons theory. We never did a full
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Speaker 2: episode about this because there's this is one of those
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Speaker 2: things where there's not a ton of reliable information and
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna find any like right, you will get
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Speaker 2: US government denials about what's happening, you'll get Ukrainian government
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Speaker 2: denials about what's happening, and you'll get conspiracy websites that
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Speaker 2: will tell you other things are happening. But there's not
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Speaker 2: a lot to it beyond Russia thinks the United States
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Speaker 2: and Ukraine have a bunch of bioweapons labs scattered around
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Speaker 2: the country, sure, And the US and Ukraine say no,
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Speaker 2: they don't. They just have a bunch of labs that
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Speaker 2: have the things that could be used to make bioweapons,
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Speaker 2: and of course bioweapons also because we have to study
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Speaker 2: the bioweapons, right, But we're not making bioweapons. And here's
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Speaker 2: the thing, I don't know, trust who you want on
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Speaker 2: this one, right, I'm not just going to take the
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Speaker 2: government's word for it, right, that we're not doing anything
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Speaker 2: nefarious here.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Also, I don't think this is why Russia invaded Ukraine either.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's definitely not why Russia invaded Ukraine. I
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Speaker 1: don't know whoever's saying that's got a few screws.
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Speaker 2: Well, that was one of the driving forces behind this theory.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't just that these existed, but that that's what Putin
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Speaker 2: was going in to do, was to shut these labs
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Speaker 2: down and stop them from being used for chemical weapons.
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Speaker 2: The other thing about it, the reason we never did
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Speaker 2: an episode about it, is it seemed like it was
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Speaker 2: hot for about five days, right, and then it just
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Speaker 2: died down. And I think some of that might have
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Speaker 2: to do with how quick it got tied to QAnon. Sure,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know that it's just QAnon that believes
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Speaker 2: there might be something nefarious happening at these labs.
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Speaker 1: No, But I think part of the reason why it's
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Speaker 1: not going to be a very long lasting theory is
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Speaker 1: that it's being pushed mostly by Russia to begin with,
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Speaker 1: at a time when they have obviously a motive to
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Speaker 1: suggest things nefarious things happening between the United States and Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: But also, like they say in these articles, like the
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Speaker 1: labs aren't a secret, and so that kind of deflates
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Speaker 1: the conspiracy balloon.
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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I mean it does to some extent.
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Speaker 1: But also like, these aren't the only labs of this
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Speaker 1: nature that we have. I'm sure we have these all
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Speaker 1: over the world. I know for a fact we have
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Speaker 1: these in other countries. And I know for a fact
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Speaker 1: we have at least a couple in America because we
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Speaker 1: fucking talked about them on the show, because Jess e
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Speaker 1: Venturer rated them, we like made him tell of the truth.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, it doesn't necessarily flip
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Speaker 1: any like suspicion for me that I haven't heard of
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Speaker 1: this in the past, because you know, this is just
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Speaker 1: kind of not the sort of thing that is talked
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Speaker 1: about a ton. Yeah, unless there's like an ulterior motive
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Speaker 1: to someone bringing it up.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And it's complicated because I have no doubt that
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Speaker 2: the American government does work on bioweapons, absolutely absolutely. Suggestions
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Speaker 2: that governments have used chemical weapons get thrown around all
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Speaker 2: the time, and you don't hear it as much about
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Speaker 2: the United States, but it's like, if you dig into
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Speaker 2: the Korean War, there are suggestions that we literally drop
22:16
Speaker 2: bombs that just had ticks in them that spread disease.
22:21
Speaker 2: So I don't know. This one's tricky. It's one of
22:24
Speaker 2: those things that seems like it would make for a
22:26
Speaker 2: perfect episode of this podcast. But there's really only like
22:28
Speaker 2: five things you can say about it, right. You can
22:31
Speaker 2: say what Rasha believes, you can say what the United
22:34
Speaker 2: States response is, right, and you can acknowledge that no
22:40
Speaker 2: one really knows, like, like, I am sure the United
22:44
Speaker 2: States fucks with biological weapons somewhere if they do it
22:48
Speaker 2: at these labs, but Ukraine, it's not the fucking hill
22:52
Speaker 2: I'm going to die on. And it turned out to
22:55
Speaker 2: be not much of a story again.
22:56
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, not only did it not turn out to
22:58
Speaker 1: be much of a story, but like, why did Russia?
23:01
Speaker 1: If Russia was so concerned about these labs, then you know,
23:05
Speaker 1: it feels like that's something that maybe could have come
23:07
Speaker 1: up before invading a country.
23:10
Speaker 2: Correct, So maybe it did.
23:12
Speaker 1: And I just didn't year about it. You know, this
23:14
Speaker 1: is the whole problem.
23:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of things getting tied to QAnon, sure
23:24
Speaker 2: that seem like maybe they shouldn't. How are we feeling
23:27
Speaker 2: about Duck Duck.
23:28
Speaker 1: Go, you know, having only just found out about it
23:33
Speaker 1: from you know, reading these articles in the notes, I
23:37
Speaker 1: don't really have much of an opinion about it one
23:40
Speaker 1: way or the other.
23:42
Speaker 2: I don't, and I really didn't before I was researching
23:47
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, but then I came across a February
23:52
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two article on the New York Times. Let
23:55
Speaker 2: me get the exact headline. Fed up with Google, conspiracy
24:00
Speaker 2: theorist turned to duck Duck Go, And it's exactly what
24:06
Speaker 2: it sounds like. It's an article about how people who
24:09
Speaker 2: believe conspiracy theories are using a new search engine called
24:13
Speaker 2: duck Duck Go. And the whole article is about how
24:20
Speaker 2: this search engine shows search results that Google seems to suppress,
24:26
Speaker 2: which that is a thing that I feel like it
24:30
Speaker 2: gets suggested that, oh, well, Google suppresses right wing viewpoints,
24:36
Speaker 2: and it gets suggested as if it's not true. Sure,
24:40
Speaker 2: and it's true, like we did the plandemic episode or
24:44
Speaker 2: I did a solo episode about the plandemic document documentary,
24:48
Speaker 2: fucking air quotes around that. Yeah, and here's my problem
24:52
Speaker 2: with Google. I searched plandemic documentary and I must have
24:57
Speaker 2: clicked seven or eight paid that were nothing but results
25:03
Speaker 2: about debunking the plandemic documentary. Sure, I only found a
25:09
Speaker 2: link to the plandemic documentary in one spot, and that
25:13
Speaker 2: was in a paid advertisement at the top of every page.
25:17
Speaker 2: So Google will let you pay to put a link
25:21
Speaker 2: to plandemic on the top of that page. But somehow
25:26
Speaker 2: the act like think of how many searches that documentary
25:29
Speaker 2: had to be getting, Like, there's no way at least
25:33
Speaker 2: one official source wouldn't end up in the top if
25:37
Speaker 2: that algorithm's not being tweaked in some way. And I like,
25:41
Speaker 2: I'm not here to fucking debate whether that's the right
25:45
Speaker 2: thing or the wrong thing, But it fucking happens like.
25:48
Speaker 1: That, absolutely, And I don't think Google would even deny that. Really,
25:55
Speaker 1: I think they are very clear that they curate, you know,
25:58
Speaker 1: their search results. It's part of their well the thing
26:02
Speaker 1: that's why you get like six ads that aren't even
26:05
Speaker 1: related to your search when you search for something. But
26:10
Speaker 1: also I would love to the thing that doesn't ever
26:13
Speaker 1: get discussed or seemingly even research to the same extent.
26:19
Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like there's a ton of
26:22
Speaker 1: resources put into discovering whether or not these poor, racist
26:27
Speaker 1: and lying conservative views are being suppressed, and whether they're
26:32
Speaker 1: also suppressing left wing views.
26:35
Speaker 2: Oh, of course they are.
26:37
Speaker 1: I know, I know they are. But the thing is,
26:39
Speaker 1: you never see the articles about that. You don't see
26:42
Speaker 1: articles about and you don't see the fucking studies of
26:46
Speaker 1: like look at how Google is suppressing right wing views.
26:49
Speaker 1: You don't get that for you know, things that aren't
26:52
Speaker 1: racist and evil.
26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the left has probably just come to
26:58
Speaker 2: accept it.
27:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Like.
27:01
Speaker 2: I think the left is genuinely even though you hear
27:05
Speaker 2: the enemy of the people stuff from the right most prominently,
27:10
Speaker 2: I think the left is a little more accepting of
27:13
Speaker 2: the idea that the media is not necessarily on any side.
27:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like to some extent, like yes, and definitely Stew's
27:25
Speaker 1: anti progressive, yeah, and like accepting of that, yes, but
27:30
Speaker 1: also I don't know, I guess yeah, I guess accepting
27:33
Speaker 1: is the right is the right way to put it.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. But my issue with this article is if you
27:39
Speaker 2: look into duck duck Go, it's not like their business
27:43
Speaker 2: model is, hey, come find links to plandemic on search engine,
27:49
Speaker 2: which is legitimately the business model of a lot of
27:52
Speaker 2: companies that have popped up since then. There's even a
27:55
Speaker 2: profile of the founder of this search engine on the
27:59
Speaker 2: New York Times from twenty nineteen, so it's plenty of
28:02
Speaker 2: time for him to get in this profile and be like, well,
28:07
Speaker 2: here's the thing. A Satan worshiping cabal of liberals is
28:13
Speaker 2: trafficking children around the globe for sex and to harvest
28:18
Speaker 2: adrina chrome. And so we founded duck duck Go, Like
28:22
Speaker 2: he's just like, listen, Google's privacy is shit, Like they
28:26
Speaker 2: follow you everywhere on the internet, absolutely, and we're just
28:31
Speaker 2: trying to be an alternative to that. And they have
28:35
Speaker 2: like a very small portion of the search engine market.
28:40
Speaker 2: It's a very small company. And it just feels weird
28:43
Speaker 2: that the New York Times is tying them specifically to
28:48
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists when that's not like it feels a little
28:52
Speaker 2: character assassination, ye to me? Not saying that the people
28:56
Speaker 2: behind The New York Times might have business interests that
29:00
Speaker 2: extend to shutting down a search engine that stands a
29:05
Speaker 2: chance of taking a decent share of the market if
29:08
Speaker 2: privacy concerns really become a thing at some point, Absolutely not.
29:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am curious about what prompted this piece. I
29:16
Speaker 1: would like to know. That's something I would be interested
29:19
Speaker 1: to learn too. What is the thing like, did Stuart
29:23
Speaker 1: Thompson just like see duck duck go on like Twitter
29:28
Speaker 1: or something and decide to write about it?
29:30
Speaker 2: I should also point out not the Stuart Thompson that
29:33
Speaker 2: has been on this podcast a few times. Different Stuart Thompson,
29:36
Speaker 2: Different Stuart.
29:37
Speaker 1: Maybe Are you sure?
29:39
Speaker 2: I look? Yeah, I look it up just to make
29:41
Speaker 2: sure good, Because Yeah, I'm just curious because it's interesting
29:45
Speaker 2: because I've never heard of Duck Duck go.
29:47
Speaker 1: I would I would never have heard of it if
29:51
Speaker 1: it weren't for this piece. And I agree about you know,
29:55
Speaker 1: the Google thing, and I think it's funny because there's
29:58
Speaker 1: no fucking way that it's ever going to take any
30:02
Speaker 1: noticeable chunk out of Google's marketplace, even if privacy becomes
30:07
Speaker 1: a huge concern, which it's not going to be in
30:11
Speaker 1: the same way that you was.
30:13
Speaker 2: No, you know ever a cameras and our refrigerators now.
30:16
Speaker 1: Right, But it's just I don't it's just very funny
30:19
Speaker 1: like that this would now come up because yeah, like
30:23
Speaker 1: you're not getting I mean, I assume that Yahoo still exists.
30:26
Speaker 1: I assume that like fucking ask Jeeves and shit still exists.
30:31
Speaker 2: Like it can't be the only alternative search engine.
30:34
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And like you said, there are so many
30:39
Speaker 1: right wing internet alternatives that are so annoying in their
30:45
Speaker 1: branding where they're just like where the truth outlet, We're
30:49
Speaker 1: the only place where truth is told and so like
30:53
Speaker 1: that could very easily be how they market this thing.
30:56
Speaker 1: But it seems like it's just like, hey, if you
31:00
Speaker 1: want a search and not have Google liked somehow know
31:04
Speaker 1: like what your fucking shoe size is from your search,
31:08
Speaker 1: then you know us duck dug go.
31:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would also be interested to know the motives
31:14
Speaker 2: behind this article because it's one of those things that,
31:18
Speaker 2: no matter how you spin it, this article is kind
31:21
Speaker 2: of irresponsible. They referenced Joe Rogan in the article. I
31:26
Speaker 2: will call back to the ivermectin thing, when you saw
31:31
Speaker 2: all these articles that were like, well, Joe Rogan's taking
31:33
Speaker 2: a horse d wormer and no he wasn't. And the
31:37
Speaker 2: reason it's important to point out that he wasn't is
31:40
Speaker 2: because whatever drugs he took, he was fine.
31:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:44
Speaker 2: So by going in front of the world and saying
31:48
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan's taking horse drugs, that's going to make the
31:51
Speaker 2: people who followed Joe Rogan go, oh, well he took
31:54
Speaker 2: him and he's fine, So I can take horse drugs
31:56
Speaker 2: and I'm.
31:57
Speaker 1: I guess it's fine.
31:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, horribly irresponse. Reporting that everyone was completely aokay with
32:04
Speaker 2: this isn't as big of a scale as that, But
32:07
Speaker 2: this is also there's no way this doesn't backfire because
32:11
Speaker 2: if you're someone who is so Internet stupid that you're like, oh,
32:16
Speaker 2: I can't find any information because Google won't give it
32:20
Speaker 2: to me, here comes the New York Times going, well,
32:23
Speaker 2: here's your alternative. What you want to do is check
32:25
Speaker 2: out Duck Duck Go and you're like, holy shit, yeah,
32:28
Speaker 2: how did I not know about this? And it's because
32:30
Speaker 2: you don't know how to use Google, and you're probably
32:33
Speaker 2: going to fuck up Duck Duck go too. But at
32:36
Speaker 2: least The New York Times has told you where to
32:37
Speaker 2: go now.
32:38
Speaker 1: But also, there's no way that this hypothetical person that
32:41
Speaker 1: we've invented is going to pay to read an article
32:45
Speaker 1: on the New York Times.
32:46
Speaker 2: Oh is this a paywall thing?
32:48
Speaker 1: I mean aren't all of their articles paywalled after a
32:50
Speaker 1: certain number like per month? Oh?
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, But I mean there's there's ways
32:56
Speaker 2: to get around that. But also if you can't but
32:58
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't find plandemic Google, you can't
33:01
Speaker 2: get around again the New York Times paywall.
33:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've constructed a like Chauncey Gardner esque, like imbecile
33:08
Speaker 1: who can't use Google. So so yeah, I don't know.
33:12
Speaker 2: I'll link to the article people at home read it,
33:15
Speaker 2: sound off in the comments or on Twitter or somewhere.
33:18
Speaker 2: Let me know. Am I crazy? This just felt like
33:21
Speaker 2: The New York Times kind of had it out for
33:24
Speaker 2: ductor Go and wanted to slander them a little bit. Hey,
33:28
Speaker 2: speaking of q Andon.
33:30
Speaker 1: Again, Oh my god, we.
33:33
Speaker 2: Never had a chance to talk about the National Butterfly
33:37
Speaker 2: Center sex trafficking hoax.
33:40
Speaker 1: Oh and how could we have how could we have
33:42
Speaker 1: missed this?
33:43
Speaker 2: I mean, of everything on the list today, this is
33:46
Speaker 2: the one that probably could have been a right. It
33:48
Speaker 2: is a wild story, and it's just another reminder that
33:54
Speaker 2: something else QAnon type should take into account, because I
33:58
Speaker 2: know some of you are still listening, Just a reminder.
34:00
Speaker 2: Accusing people of pedophilia is just a timeless classic when
34:05
Speaker 2: it comes to dirty tricks people pull on their political rivals. Yep,
34:10
Speaker 2: and you see it happen in this story, the National
34:14
Speaker 2: Butterfly Center sex trafficking scandal. This is a butterfly sanctuary
34:18
Speaker 2: in South Texas and it's been in operation for about
34:22
Speaker 2: twenty years on the border or close to the border
34:26
Speaker 2: with Mexico. At one point, the Trump administration was trying
34:31
Speaker 2: to build a wall. I don't know if you remember this,
34:33
Speaker 2: but trying to build wall between the United States and Mexico.
34:38
Speaker 1: Was it going to be like big and beautiful and
34:42
Speaker 1: I think the.
34:43
Speaker 2: Most beautiful wall anyone I had ever seen.
34:46
Speaker 1: It was going to be beautiful. I remember that it's
34:49
Speaker 1: going to be beautiful, but that it's also going to
34:53
Speaker 1: be invisible. Those are the two things that I remember
34:56
Speaker 1: the most.
34:56
Speaker 2: Well, it's also going to be impossible, oh to get
35:00
Speaker 2: over or oh across any of these things.
35:04
Speaker 1: And I thought you were just going to say it's
35:06
Speaker 1: also going to be impossible, as in, it's never going
35:10
Speaker 1: to happen, it's never ever ever going to exist.
35:14
Speaker 2: Well, there is that.
35:15
Speaker 1: Also, it just isn't.
35:19
Speaker 2: And part of the reason is because of no good
35:22
Speaker 2: piece nicks like the National Butterfly Center, damn it. Because
35:26
Speaker 2: when Trump wanted to build his wall, they were concerned
35:30
Speaker 2: that the wall was going to cut right through their
35:33
Speaker 2: property and forced them to shut down. So they filed
35:38
Speaker 2: a lawsuit, and the lawsuit is still in court that
35:42
Speaker 2: hasn't even been settled yet. But in the meantime, a
35:46
Speaker 2: guy named Brian Colfage, a Trump supporter who runs an
35:49
Speaker 2: organization called We Build the Wall, which, by the way,
35:54
Speaker 2: turns out no, they don't. He actually got in legal
35:58
Speaker 2: trouble of some sort for using his foundation's funds for
36:02
Speaker 2: his own personal sure fences, So they build the wall
36:06
Speaker 2: around him and his debt collectors basically.
36:10
Speaker 1: And even if it were successful, I feel like it's
36:13
Speaker 1: we hire contractors to build the wall.
36:15
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
36:16
Speaker 1: I feel like we build the wall is always going
36:18
Speaker 1: to be a stretch, and he.
36:20
Speaker 2: Decided to get some revenge against the National Butterfly Center
36:25
Speaker 2: for not wanting the wall to be built on their property,
36:27
Speaker 2: and he did that by accusing Marianna Trevino Wright, the
36:33
Speaker 2: executive director of the sanctuary. He accused her and her
36:37
Speaker 2: organization of being involved in child sex trafficking. And the
36:42
Speaker 2: problem with QAnon adherents is this is all it takes
36:47
Speaker 2: for them to feel like they have fulfilled that do
36:50
Speaker 2: your own research require. Yeay, just needs someone who they
36:56
Speaker 2: believe without question to tweet something and then they have
37:01
Speaker 2: done their own research. Yeah. It's the most i mean
37:04
Speaker 2: not the most maddening thing about QAnon, But that part
37:08
Speaker 2: right at the beginning where they're like, all right, well,
37:10
Speaker 2: here are these specific Twitter accounts to follow. You should
37:13
Speaker 2: know something's up.
37:15
Speaker 1: Yep.
37:15
Speaker 2: But that's all it takes with this crowd, and it
37:20
Speaker 2: wrecked this woman's life. And now this Butterfly Sanctuary has
37:24
Speaker 2: to shut down because from this point on she has
37:28
Speaker 2: just gotten constant threats and harassment about her facility being
37:34
Speaker 2: involved in child sex trafficking. And it's just because this
37:37
Speaker 2: asshole was mad that she didn't want a wall built
37:40
Speaker 2: through her facility. It's so crazy.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, what an asshole? What an asshole? Okay, first asshole.
37:48
Speaker 1: First asshole is the asshole who decided to try to
37:52
Speaker 1: build a fucking wall through this goddamn butterfly preserve. It's
37:57
Speaker 1: a butterfly preserve. It's beautiful.
38:00
Speaker 2: You can't just like put it around the front, go
38:03
Speaker 2: around it.
38:04
Speaker 1: It's not like it's on the goddamn border, is it
38:07
Speaker 1: like it's surely like it's got a little bit of space.
38:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to.
38:12
Speaker 1: It's. Second asshole, this fucking Brian guy. Uh, fuck this guy.
38:18
Speaker 1: Fucking fuck him? What a what a dick? Like just
38:22
Speaker 1: for no reason, just out of spite. This is why
38:24
Speaker 1: people got pissed off about the whole Elon Musk accusing
38:29
Speaker 1: that like tunnel guy of like pedophilia, because it ruins
38:34
Speaker 1: people's lives. Like it's fucking ridiculous. You don't just go
38:38
Speaker 1: around throwing these accusations around, and you know, man, it
38:43
Speaker 1: just pisses me off, Like these these butterflies didn't do
38:46
Speaker 1: fucking anything. This lady all she wanted to do was
38:50
Speaker 1: have this damn building with her fucking butterflies. This makes
38:54
Speaker 1: me so mad.
38:55
Speaker 2: It's just a building full of butterflies.
38:57
Speaker 1: She's good, beautiful. I'm sure it's beaudif full, gorgeous building
39:01
Speaker 1: full of butterflies. Just a garden, the garden of Eden,
39:05
Speaker 1: full of butterflies. And now what are the butterflies gonna do?
39:09
Speaker 1: Where are the butterflies gonna No one ever thought about that. No,
39:12
Speaker 1: you're so fucking worried about the made up kids who
39:15
Speaker 1: are getting sex traffic. I'm so mad about this, these
39:19
Speaker 1: poor butterflies. I hope the butterflies found homes.
39:22
Speaker 2: Hashtag save the butterflies.
39:24
Speaker 1: But like, do we know if the butterflies found homes.
39:28
Speaker 2: They they haven't completely shut down yet, so I don't
39:33
Speaker 2: think they did temporarily shut down. I'm sure they did.
39:36
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're not just going to like open the
39:37
Speaker 2: windows and be like go.
39:40
Speaker 1: On without us. Oh I like that idea, though.
39:45
Speaker 2: If they did, I'd be like, shit, maybe they were
39:47
Speaker 2: trafficking kids.
39:51
Speaker 1: Let all the go. That would be fun.
39:54
Speaker 2: The jig's up. Fucking cage just collapse. I don't know
39:59
Speaker 2: why I think they're in cage.
40:02
Speaker 1: No, they're not cageous butterfly cages. God, yeah, tiny little
40:07
Speaker 1: butterfly jails.
40:09
Speaker 2: For shampoo in their eyes to test it all on. No,
40:14
Speaker 2: did you know butterflies can scream? Oh they can't, but
40:17
Speaker 2: rabbits can.
40:19
Speaker 1: No, they can, that's true. Rabbits can't scream things.
40:23
Speaker 2: Things got so bad at this place, which, speaking of QAnon,
40:27
Speaker 2: just kind of ascending to every level of American life.
40:30
Speaker 2: At one point, a congressional candidate from Virginia showed up
40:34
Speaker 2: at this place and demanded this is a quote, access
40:38
Speaker 2: to the river to see all the illegals crossing on
40:41
Speaker 2: the raft, so not just sex trafficking, but also human trafficking,
40:46
Speaker 2: because they're this is probably where all of the illegals
40:50
Speaker 2: who voted in the twenty twenty election. I'm assuming they
40:54
Speaker 2: just came in through the butterfly.
40:56
Speaker 1: Right, and then they rode to all the other states
40:59
Speaker 1: on butterfly.
41:04
Speaker 2: Democrats and their magic butterflies stole the election.
41:07
Speaker 1: Look, hey, if that's where right wing conspiracy started going,
41:12
Speaker 1: if it's like magic butterflies and shit, like, I'd be like, okay, fine,
41:16
Speaker 1: I can deal with this.
41:18
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm in.
41:20
Speaker 1: But again, this congressional candidate from Virginia showing up to
41:26
Speaker 1: this place in Texas, come on, this is again another
41:30
Speaker 1: thing I've harped on so much in the last especially
41:33
Speaker 1: in the last few months, just a terminal online. All
41:37
Speaker 1: of our politicians, especially on the right, are just terminally online.
41:43
Speaker 1: They just get all of their information off of Twitter
41:46
Speaker 1: and it leads to shit like this.
41:50
Speaker 2: And I guarantee this congressional candidate showing up at this
41:54
Speaker 2: place was some sort of online stunt.
41:56
Speaker 1: Too, like a bit oh absolutely live.
41:59
Speaker 2: On Instagram or something.
42:01
Speaker 1: Do we know who it was?
42:03
Speaker 2: Uh? Says here it was Tyrrell Ventura. No, just joking,
42:10
Speaker 2: very funny, Tyrell is conducting a raid on the National
42:17
Speaker 2: Butterfly Center.
42:19
Speaker 1: No, it turns out it was Sean Stone.
42:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man. So yeah, they they decided, Oh they
42:28
Speaker 2: closed down indefinitely in February. So they they are closed down.
42:32
Speaker 2: No word on where the butterflies went.
42:34
Speaker 1: That sucks. That's that story is such a huge bummer.
42:38
Speaker 2: It does suck, Yeah, because it I don't like it.
42:42
Speaker 2: Seems like QAnon types do realize what kind of fire
42:46
Speaker 2: they're playing with, but also don't like. This seems like
42:50
Speaker 2: a thing that for a lot of people, it's gonna
42:52
Speaker 2: seem kind of cute and it's gonna seem like, well,
42:55
Speaker 2: that's my online identity is I'm QAnon, And then it's
42:58
Speaker 2: gonna feel a whole lot different when mother fuckers are
43:00
Speaker 2: literally getting murdered on the White House dawn and you're like, oh,
43:05
Speaker 2: I was a part of that. Huh.
43:06
Speaker 1: People are already getting killed for this shit, you know.
43:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not like but not like the big public spectacle.
43:14
Speaker 1: No, but I mean, but yeah, no, it's it's it's ridiculous,
43:18
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is just you know, online harassment is
43:21
Speaker 1: almost never just online. It almost never just affects people online.
43:27
Speaker 2: So yeah, hey, speaking of things that are finally online, Finally,
43:33
Speaker 2: Barack Obama's presidential records now available for your Freedom of
43:39
Speaker 2: Information Act request needs. Finally. Apparently this works like getting
43:44
Speaker 2: inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame, where you have
43:48
Speaker 2: to be retired for five years, okay, and then the
43:52
Speaker 2: government just throws all your files out the window and
43:54
Speaker 2: people with for him to fall to the ground and
43:56
Speaker 2: gather them up. Five years to the day after Obama
44:00
Speaker 2: leaves office, his records finally available for Freedom of Information
44:04
Speaker 2: Act requests. USA Today looked at some of the requests
44:07
Speaker 2: that have been filed so far for starters. Their investigation
44:12
Speaker 2: confirms all my worst fears about the Freedom of Information
44:15
Speaker 2: Act requests because they are the Freedom of Information Act
44:19
Speaker 2: in general. Because apparently they got this docket of just
44:24
Speaker 2: the complete names and like all the information about all
44:27
Speaker 2: the people requesting this stuff. They got enough information to
44:31
Speaker 2: know even in cases where people were using fake names, right,
44:35
Speaker 2: which that part gives me some hope if I can
44:38
Speaker 2: just go on there and be like, my name is
44:40
Speaker 2: Stu Pittass, and I want to know about Jonestown, Like
44:46
Speaker 2: if will they still send it to me? Like will
44:48
Speaker 2: they just have a guy like drop it at an
44:50
Speaker 2: Amazon locker and then I can show up with facial
44:53
Speaker 2: recognition defeating tech on my face and pick it up.
44:57
Speaker 2: Because if so, I'm into some cloaking down or shit
45:00
Speaker 2: like that. But I don't so much want to be
45:02
Speaker 2: like Adam Todd Brown. Here's my mother's maiden name, here's
45:06
Speaker 2: my social Security number, and now tell me about Jonestown.
45:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm not gonna do any of that. I'm
45:14
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna be putting it. In the end,
45:17
Speaker 1: there's nothing about Obama's administration that I want to know
45:21
Speaker 1: enough to go through all that is the thing.
45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like with Obama, I kind of already know.
45:27
Speaker 2: And that's not like, that's not me implying like Obama
45:31
Speaker 2: did nothing wrong, but like Obama's failings were pretty obvious,
45:36
Speaker 2: like he's drone striking American citizens. He didn't shut down
45:39
Speaker 2: guantanam obey. They talk about some of the requests people made,
45:43
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about some of the crazier ones in
45:45
Speaker 2: a minute, But the only one I sort of agree with,
45:49
Speaker 2: I feel like I would word it a little more
45:51
Speaker 2: eloquently because the person who submitted it just wrote, why
45:54
Speaker 2: was Ben Lauden's body being thrown into the sea that fast? Which?
45:59
Speaker 2: How adoorble is that?
46:01
Speaker 1: Yeah?
46:01
Speaker 2: Very that person was either twelve or fifty eight. Yeah,
46:05
Speaker 2: and I'm going to guess the letter. Yeah, but if
46:08
Speaker 2: there was one thing I would want more info about,
46:13
Speaker 2: I think it would be the death of Ben Laden.
46:16
Speaker 2: Sure me crazy, but I don't know that the US
46:19
Speaker 2: was completely on the up and up about how why
46:22
Speaker 2: that happened. But I mean maybe maybe, yeah, even the
46:26
Speaker 2: blind squirrel finds a nuts sometimes maybe we're told the
46:29
Speaker 2: complete and total truth.
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Speaker 1: You should you should you should turn in a FOIA
46:34
Speaker 1: request for that, and then revel in your collection of
46:39
Speaker 1: the largest stack of black ink papers exactly in the
46:44
Speaker 1: history of mankind. Uh.
46:46
Speaker 2: That's all the Freedom of Information Act means is you
46:50
Speaker 2: can ask, Yeah, but they're gonna give you some pushback.
46:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask for his damn birth certificate.
46:57
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna ask for.
46:59
Speaker 2: That's what a lot of the requests where, of course
47:02
Speaker 2: they are, if I can believe it, not only his
47:07
Speaker 2: birth records. One request asked for a copy of his DNA,
47:12
Speaker 2: probably to determine if he's Halfiz, you know, half Blizzard
47:16
Speaker 2: obviously Liz, for sure. It saves me time, right, I
47:20
Speaker 2: assume that's what that was about.
47:22
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm sure that the White House, you know, responded
47:27
Speaker 1: to that quickly and definitely they got that DNA. I'm
47:32
Speaker 1: sure that's very easy to come by, the President's DNA.
47:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sent him video ahead of time with them
47:38
Speaker 2: swabbing Obama's cheeks and sums up. They also people had
47:44
Speaker 2: questions about a rumored sixty five thousand dollars White House
47:48
Speaker 2: hot dog and pizza party. Guess what this is about, hm?
47:54
Speaker 1: Would it have anything to do with the pinball place nearby?
47:57
Speaker 2: It has a little bit to do with comet ping pong, pizza,
48:03
Speaker 2: Ping pong, and Pizzagate in that this that one goes
48:09
Speaker 2: like us A today just barely touches on what this is.
48:13
Speaker 2: They just say it's a party that is rumored to
48:17
Speaker 2: have happened or not have happened. But if you dig
48:20
Speaker 2: into it, it's a big QAnon. Yeah, pizzagate scandal where
48:26
Speaker 2: there's a whole email thread where.
48:28
Speaker 1: That's the namesake of Pizzagate comes from that party and
48:34
Speaker 1: the emails about it.
48:35
Speaker 2: Right, I thought Pizzagate came from the John Podesta emails.
48:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yes, I think it did. I get
48:44
Speaker 1: both of those, you know, I conflate them.
48:47
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, I wouldn't be surprised if John
48:50
Speaker 2: Podesta's a pedophile.
48:52
Speaker 1: Maybe, but I don't know.
48:54
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean we don't have to get into it.
48:58
Speaker 1: We'll have. Yeah, Pizzagate is the pizza Gate just because
49:04
Speaker 1: just because there's a massive group of pedophiles among the
49:07
Speaker 1: elites in the world doesn't mean that Pizzagate is true.
49:10
Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the whole problem with Pizzagate is
49:14
Speaker 1: that there was a ring of pedophiles among the elites
49:17
Speaker 1: in our society. It was called Jeffrey Epstein's airplane and
49:22
Speaker 1: probably a bunch of other bullshit that we don't know about.
49:26
Speaker 1: But it's not taking place in a goddamn Ping Pong
49:29
Speaker 1: and pizza parlor. They don't need to go to that place.
49:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if the pizza's good.
49:35
Speaker 1: No, there's no way.
49:37
Speaker 2: Really, do you think the pizza sucks? Not?
49:39
Speaker 1: If they're listing Ping Pong first, what's I don't think
49:43
Speaker 1: the pizza is gonna be good.
49:44
Speaker 2: I suppose that's true. What's Comet is listed first?
49:48
Speaker 1: But isn't it Commet Ping Pong and Pizza?
49:50
Speaker 2: Yeah?
49:51
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry.
49:54
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to cut them some slack.
49:56
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
49:57
Speaker 2: Do you think this hurt their business? I I bet
50:00
Speaker 2: it did not. No, I bet it didn't. I bet
50:03
Speaker 2: it did. Like I know a guy who just played
50:05
Speaker 2: a show at Commet Ping Pong Pizza?
50:07
Speaker 1: Do you really did you comedy? Well?
50:10
Speaker 2: No, it was a band who Wow's playing a show
50:14
Speaker 2: at Comet Ping Pong Pizza?
50:16
Speaker 1: Did you go down into the basement? It doesn't exist,
50:21
Speaker 1: the non existed basement. That's my favorite.
50:24
Speaker 2: If I can have a favorite detail about a guy
50:26
Speaker 2: showing up at a pizza place with a gun, is
50:28
Speaker 2: that he showed up and was like, show me the
50:31
Speaker 2: torture basement, and they're like, dude, we don't have any basement.
50:34
Speaker 2: We don't have much. And he was like, oh, okay,
50:37
Speaker 2: here's my gun. You want to call the police? Yeah,
50:40
Speaker 2: I remember that was I guess I've made a huge,
50:43
Speaker 2: huge mistake. Whoopsie, Can I get a slice before him?
50:47
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the thing, Like, I don't know if I
50:51
Speaker 1: would ever want to just casually go eat at a
50:54
Speaker 1: pizza place that I know has a much higher than
50:59
Speaker 1: the national average likelihood of having a active shooter within it.
51:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
51:06
Speaker 1: Right, it has to be like percentage wise the highest
51:12
Speaker 1: likelihood pizza place to have a shooting.
51:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I also went and saw Joker like first,
51:18
Speaker 2: showing like first possible opportunity.
51:21
Speaker 1: Joker was never dangerous. That movie was never That movie
51:26
Speaker 1: didn't have enough intellectual fucking like rigor to cause anybody
51:32
Speaker 1: to lose their mind and kill any kill people. It
51:37
Speaker 1: was a terrible movie.
51:38
Speaker 2: It's very bad.
51:40
Speaker 1: One Academy Award.
51:42
Speaker 2: The fact that they they thought they were really getting
51:45
Speaker 2: a twist by us with that fake Zazzi beats relationship.
51:49
Speaker 2: Oh my cleating this woman. This is obviously happening in
51:54
Speaker 2: his head. And yet my god, Okay.
51:59
Speaker 1: But can I since since you've you've now opened the
52:04
Speaker 1: Joker floodgates that I haven't thought about since that movie
52:07
Speaker 1: came out.
52:08
Speaker 2: This is what's gonna get people to stop listening to it.
52:11
Speaker 2: We can talk shit about Quewanon all we want, but
52:14
Speaker 2: now we're going down.
52:15
Speaker 1: This path talking shit about Joker.
52:17
Speaker 2: Talking about jokers gonna do us.
52:20
Speaker 1: That fucking garbage scene where he, like the two people
52:26
Speaker 1: from the clown School come to his apartment and he
52:29
Speaker 1: kills them and one of them is the little person,
52:33
Speaker 1: and there's like a five minute fucking escapade where the
52:36
Speaker 1: little person can't open the door to get out of
52:40
Speaker 1: the apartment to get so he doesn't get killed because
52:42
Speaker 1: he's too little, And that's the entire fucking joke of
52:46
Speaker 1: the fucking scene is garbage. That's garbage. It's trash. I
52:52
Speaker 1: hate that movie so much.
52:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did love the scene where he drops
52:57
Speaker 2: the gun in the children.
52:58
Speaker 1: That's the funniest that is in the hospital.
53:01
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that funniest moment in that whole movie.
53:04
Speaker 1: Funniest moment, best moment. Also, like just did general Yeah
53:09
Speaker 1: that was good. Everything else sucked.
53:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got about halfway through that and was like, man,
53:13
Speaker 2: if I get shot for this, ah.
53:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, imagine.
53:17
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it in theaters, so pissed. All right,
53:20
Speaker 2: let's talk about this one last story, which is kind
53:23
Speaker 2: of more just a plug for our next episode.
53:25
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
53:26
Speaker 2: No, well, I mean it's time to get excited. Whenever
53:30
Speaker 2: one of the greats makes a new film, then it's
53:34
Speaker 2: it's our job to respond. And Denesh Desuza has a
53:38
Speaker 2: new film coming out because here's the thing. Apparently there's
53:42
Speaker 2: another twenty twenty election conspiracy.
53:45
Speaker 1: Oh good.
53:46
Speaker 2: Oh.
53:46
Speaker 1: I was worried that we were out of them.
53:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, no way, No, I mean we have
53:53
Speaker 2: another election to plan for in twenty twenty four, so
53:56
Speaker 2: we've got to practice all the all the ways to
53:59
Speaker 2: steal it now. So Adam steal it Adam twenty twenty four.
54:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, I have not.
54:04
Speaker 2: I have.
54:05
Speaker 1: I have not watched this Adnech Desuza movie.
54:08
Speaker 2: Neither of I. I don't know if I've ever even
54:11
Speaker 2: heard the man speak.
54:12
Speaker 1: I've heard him speak. He sounds like a moron. We're
54:16
Speaker 1: gonna watch this movie.
54:17
Speaker 2: It's called two thousand Mules, is what it's called first
54:21
Speaker 2: of all, and assuming the Google algorithm will even let
54:25
Speaker 2: us find it, his movies.
54:27
Speaker 1: Are plenty easy to find.
54:29
Speaker 2: I might have to go to a public library and
54:31
Speaker 2: use duck duck go fucking COVID mask on my face
54:35
Speaker 2: so the Feds don't catch on to me.
54:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, but except you're not allowed to use duck
54:42
Speaker 1: duck go if you're wearing a mask. Oh like this,
54:45
Speaker 1: that's right, No, I don't know.
54:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so this is a whole new conspiracy because
54:51
Speaker 2: there's there's the one that's out, and by the one,
54:54
Speaker 2: I mean there's like eight different yeah Jesus versions that
54:57
Speaker 2: all sort of involve Democrats chain ing rules to allow
55:02
Speaker 2: more mail in voting so they could steal the election
55:05
Speaker 2: with fraudulent mail in ballots. Right, and this is different.
55:11
Speaker 2: This is something else, Okay. This theory involves cell phone
55:16
Speaker 2: location data, like the kind that you can buy about
55:21
Speaker 2: pretty much any person out on the open market. And
55:25
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to find out that I
55:28
Speaker 2: go nowhere, ever, you know, I'm sure with enough Internet
55:33
Speaker 2: savvy you could go find that information. And so this company,
55:38
Speaker 2: or this this group called True the Vote bought a
55:43
Speaker 2: bunch of cell phone location data, and they geo fenced
55:51
Speaker 2: around ballot drop boxes and their theory is that they
55:56
Speaker 2: found around two thousand what they call mules, which are
56:00
Speaker 2: people who were repeatedly going back to these same ballot
56:04
Speaker 2: drop boxes and just dropping off massive amounts of ballots. Right.
56:09
Speaker 1: And the thing.
56:11
Speaker 2: Is in Georgia right now, there is an investigation into
56:16
Speaker 2: something similar to this, but it's an investigation into ballot harvesting,
56:21
Speaker 2: which means you go out and you get a bunch
56:24
Speaker 2: of votes gathered, but those people vote legally, but you
56:28
Speaker 2: just gather them all up and take them back to
56:30
Speaker 2: the place yourself, right, which apparently is illegal. It must
56:35
Speaker 2: be the difference between showing up and offering someone a
56:38
Speaker 2: ride to the polling place as opposed to showing up
56:41
Speaker 2: and sticking a mail in ballot in their face and saying, here,
56:44
Speaker 2: vote and will take it to a place for you.
56:47
Speaker 2: But that's not what this documentary is alleging. And even
56:51
Speaker 2: that Georgia investigation, the State of Georgia has made it
56:54
Speaker 2: clear that the votes in question wouldn't necessarily be fraudulent.
56:58
Speaker 2: It's just that the way they were gathered in, collected
57:00
Speaker 2: and delivered kind of bent the rules. Right. This documentary
57:05
Speaker 2: is apparently going to make the claim that they're just
57:09
Speaker 2: completely fraudulent shallots that were being dropped off, I guess
57:12
Speaker 2: in response to them needing more votes. I don't know,
57:18
Speaker 2: but we're gonna find out.
57:20
Speaker 1: Great, awesome, just a couple of notes, sure, real quick.
57:25
Speaker 1: Before we do that, it will probably be playing on
57:32
Speaker 1: a couple of screens near me. I know other movies
57:37
Speaker 1: of his have been shown. Oh really, Oh yeah, no,
57:40
Speaker 1: we get the We we get a decent, healthy theatrical
57:44
Speaker 1: run of the right wing documentaries, usually around Indianapolis, even
57:51
Speaker 1: at AMC.
57:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet we would get that here somewhere.
57:56
Speaker 1: But I just want to say first of all, that
57:59
Speaker 1: tooth thousand Mules is a goddamn terrible title for a movie.
58:07
Speaker 1: It's just just a dog shit title. Doesn't matter what
58:10
Speaker 1: it's describing, It doesn't matter how much it has to
58:14
Speaker 1: do with the actual movie itself, like if you even
58:17
Speaker 1: just compare it to I was just looking back, just
58:19
Speaker 1: to make sure. I was looking back at his other
58:22
Speaker 1: documentary titles, and they're all better you've got In twenty twenty,
58:28
Speaker 1: he had two Infidel and Chump Card, and then he
58:33
Speaker 1: had Death of a Nation. Get it.
58:35
Speaker 2: Ah, I get it.
58:37
Speaker 1: Hillary's America, the Secret History of the Democratic Party that
58:40
Speaker 1: came out in twenty sixteen, and America Imagine the World
58:45
Speaker 1: Without Her, which came out in twenty fourteen, which is
58:50
Speaker 1: that's great, and they that's following up twenty sixteen Obama's America,
58:54
Speaker 1: which came out in twenty twelve but is called twenty
58:57
Speaker 1: sixteen Obama's America, And.
59:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell was he predicting in that?
59:04
Speaker 1: No? I mean, I'm sure it was a bunch of
59:05
Speaker 1: stuff that absolutely came true based on his track record,
59:11
Speaker 1: and I just wanted the title.
59:13
Speaker 2: That's definitely the year this became Obama's America.
59:16
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely in twenty sixteen.
59:18
Speaker 2: Obama dominated in two K sixteen.
59:21
Speaker 1: I really love her. I think I really was. I'm trying.
59:25
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out who the her is
59:28
Speaker 1: in America Imagine the World without Her. I think it's America.
59:33
Speaker 2: I just wanted to call out that my he was
59:35
Speaker 2: on the cover was a pretty decent EA sports like
59:39
Speaker 2: Madden joke two K sixteen. It's fine, it's fine.
59:43
Speaker 1: No, it's good, it's good.
59:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be America a world without her? Yeah,
59:47
Speaker 2: Lady liberty.
59:48
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, right exactly, which I'm sure a lot of.
59:51
Speaker 2: People would love to imagine that.
59:52
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, you might find this surprising. But critics
59:56
Speaker 1: called twenty sixteen Obama's America a nonsensically a substantiated active
1:00:01
Speaker 1: character assassination. Okay, okay, unlikely to sway undecided voters or
1:00:08
Speaker 1: Obama supporters, no shocker, come on, yeah, this it seems
1:00:15
Speaker 1: to be twenty sixteen. Obama's America is about the it's
1:00:19
Speaker 1: a birther documentary.
1:00:21
Speaker 2: Oh good, good, good, Yeah.
1:00:23
Speaker 1: So Desusa, So we're really gonna watch a Dnesh de
1:00:26
Speaker 1: Susan movie.
1:00:27
Speaker 2: Clicking right now to see how in fact? You know what?
1:00:31
Speaker 2: Sure half my cookies Danish Desusa. No?
1:00:35
Speaker 1: Are you looking at two thousand meals dot locals dot com.
1:00:39
Speaker 2: No, I'm just on on there.
1:00:41
Speaker 1: What as it auto corrected me as soon as I
1:00:45
Speaker 1: started typing in two thousand.
1:00:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, the website barely works. Who knows, who knows? But
1:00:50
Speaker 2: we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out.
1:00:53
Speaker 2: We can buy the DVD if nothing else, No, I
1:00:56
Speaker 2: will fucking not. There's a blurb Trump right on the website. Ah, man,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: he's gonna steal the election in twenty twenty four.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's just gonna win yeah.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: Or he'll just win, which is he'll win or like
1:01:10
Speaker 2: Ivanka Yeah, or someone Christy Nome. That's gonna be a
1:01:14
Speaker 2: bitter pill. First female president. It is going to be
1:01:19
Speaker 2: a bitter pill that.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: I feel like we can say that about every aspect
1:01:23
Speaker 1: of the future.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, except for the part where we got
1:01:28
Speaker 2: a bonus episode coming next week where we talk about
1:01:30
Speaker 2: two thousand Mules or something, because who knows if we'll
1:01:34
Speaker 2: be able to find this movie to watch that in
1:01:37
Speaker 2: that time.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: But yes, well, I we'll talk about something next week.
1:01:42
Speaker 2: Until then. Do we have anything to plug before we
1:01:46
Speaker 2: get out of here?
1:01:47
Speaker 1: Uh? No, no, I don't. I don't have anything to plug.
1:01:54
Speaker 2: If you want to follow the network at on Pops
1:01:57
Speaker 2: on YouTube, we're now doing video episodes and video clips
1:02:02
Speaker 2: from our pods. We forgot to record this one, but
1:02:06
Speaker 2: it's fine.
1:02:07
Speaker 1: Uh, that's okay.
1:02:09
Speaker 2: Also, I'll start doing more on the conspiracy Instagram, but
1:02:13
Speaker 2: the on Pops instagram is a little more active now.
1:02:16
Speaker 2: On pop stot podcast, it's so much.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: This Instagram, it's a real it's a real, like like
1:02:23
Speaker 1: noose around your neck. You really are not into it.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: It's a real albatross. Albatross that was the word that
1:02:29
Speaker 1: I was looking for, other than.
1:02:31
Speaker 2: Noose, but you know, yeah, noos is a strong way
1:02:34
Speaker 2: to put it.
1:02:35
Speaker 1: That's I felt bad saying it, but I needed to
1:02:39
Speaker 1: get some sort of point across.
1:02:41
Speaker 2: You know about Instagram that I don't know? Uh so yeah,
1:02:46
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1:02:51
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1:02:55
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1:02:58
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1:03:01
Speaker 2: your Spotify apps and pretty soon in your Apple Music
1:03:06
Speaker 2: apps too, and wherever else they will let me. Let
1:03:10
Speaker 2: people give me money for extra episodes. You can bet
1:03:14
Speaker 2: you can give me a couple bucks a month. And
1:03:18
Speaker 2: I think that's it. Let's get out of here, Olivia
1:03:20
Speaker 2: say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody. We love you.