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Jake E. Lee on Patina: Metal Riffs & Road Tales (Free) · Classic Metal Show

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  it is your classic metal show right here on the classic metal
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  show.com that right
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  there was brand new stuff from the red dragon cartel the name
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  of the tune is my
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  beautiful mess it is from the new album called patina and the
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  lead man of the red
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  dragon cartel and badlands and other bands and just a a
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  monumental player of the
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  guitar himself it is the one and only jakey lee on the line
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  jake how are you man
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm actually surprised to hear that you played A Beautiful Mess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love the record, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: So good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm very proud of this record.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's as good as anything I've done before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: But A Beautiful Mess, that's a weird choice.
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  SPEAKER_03: To me, that's the weirdest song on the record.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do you think that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's a really odd riff, for one.
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  SPEAKER_03: And after we wrote the music,
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  SPEAKER_03: well,
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  SPEAKER_03: after I wrote the music for it,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's just a very strange,
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  SPEAKER_03: the chords and the riff,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's very strange.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Anthony,
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  SPEAKER_03: who wrote most of the melodies for the other songs,
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  SPEAKER_03: he took a couple days and he came back and he said,
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  SPEAKER_03: I have nothing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I can't think of anything to do.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just too weird.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then Darren said the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: He said he had absolutely no idea what to sing over it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I had to write that melody in it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I've written melodies in the past.
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  SPEAKER_03: But this one is just such a, to me, it was, it's,
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  SPEAKER_03: It's such a weird melody and such a weird song.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I like it, but I'm happy.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm surprised and happy that you like that song.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that kind of the way that you've always written?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm basing this solely off of interviews that I've read.
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  SPEAKER_00: over the last 25 years or whatever,
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  that you kind of just come up with a little tiny piece and then
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  try to expand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you come in with a distinct idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: At least that's what I've always read in the past.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I like to kind of do it the same way when I write a song.
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  I kind of like to do it almost the same way when I record solos,
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  which is off the cuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: um, just see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and, and writing songs is like that for me too.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll just come up with a weird little thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe not even a weird little thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I'll come up with an idea and then I'll think of how I can,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: like you said,
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  SPEAKER_03: expand on it and,
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  SPEAKER_03: and,
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  SPEAKER_03: and throw,
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  I like throwing things in there that on a theoretical level
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  shouldn't work.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, um,
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  SPEAKER_03: and do a lot of juxtaposing in my songs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, for example, Crooked Man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Crooked Man's another one with a...
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  SPEAKER_03: the reason we call it Crooked Man is because the riff is so crooked.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's such a kind of an oddball, sort of an ugly riff.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I was writing that,
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  SPEAKER_03: when I came up with the riff and it was time to come up to the next part,
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  SPEAKER_03: I wanted to have something...
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  soothing and and uh pretty sure come after it to sort of uh
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  make up for the
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  ugliness before it no way and uh yeah so yeah for me the song i
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  i don't like having
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  a set idea of how the song's going to go i like exploring
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  different avenues and and
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  seeing if we can make the song more than what you initially
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  think it would be sure
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jake,
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  SPEAKER_00: listening to Patina from start to finish,
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  SPEAKER_00: and just like you were just saying,
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  SPEAKER_00: it really does explore a lot of ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say this, and you can tell me I'm wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's getting a lot of comparison to Badlands.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while I think that certainly your guitar sound might be there,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the songs,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: are directly relatable.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that this really is kind of a growth of not only your sound,
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  SPEAKER_00: but,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: collectively as a band,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is much more cohesive and much more...
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  I'm going to say creative than things that you've done,
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  at least than the last record.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you agree?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I do agree.
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  I think,
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  because,
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  yeah,
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  I've been hearing the Badlands references,
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  and I can sort of see it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that these would be Badlands songs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: but obviously since I'm the guitar player and I,
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  SPEAKER_03: and did the majority of the writing in Badlands,
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  SPEAKER_03: um,
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  SPEAKER_03: there's going to be a,
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  SPEAKER_03: a similarity.
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  Um,
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  um,
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  but I think maybe what people are,
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  are hearing is,
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  is like you said,
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  cohesive.
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  SPEAKER_03: This, this record is more, uh, cohesive.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's more, um, organic.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's more, uh, it sounds more like a band.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: The first RDC record was more of a piecemeal process.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was done bit by bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: I would record a guitar part,
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  and then Kevin would bring in a certain drummer to play drums
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  to that part.
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  SPEAKER_03: The process was actually somewhat alien to me.
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  I hadn't ever done anything that way before,
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  and it was interesting for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: But at the end, that album is a little more disjointed.
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  It sounds more like me playing with different people,
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  different singers,
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  different bass players.
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  SPEAKER_03: It sounds more like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think on the new record, it does sound more like a band.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the whole record sounds...
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, also the way I wrote it.
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  SPEAKER_03: For the first record,
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  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
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  it was bits and pieces that I would come up with in the studio
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  or had been taken
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  SPEAKER_03: off my computer.
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  SPEAKER_03: And songs were written around that.
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  This was done with the band and,
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  you know,
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  with me,
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  the bass and the drums in a room.
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  And I would come up with the ideas and then we'd work on it,
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  come up with another part.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it was written more as a band.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that comes through.
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  And I think maybe that is partially why people are referencing
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  Badlands when they hear it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But, yeah, I think it's more of an honest record.
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  SPEAKER_03: for lack of a better word, than the first one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  And I think probably you're always going to get the Badlands
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  thing because,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this is outsider as a fan,
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  SPEAKER_00: not having any knowledge,
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  but if you listen to what most people consider to be the two
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  eras of Jakey Lee,
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  SPEAKER_00: which would be Ozzy and Badlands,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ozzy was so slick where you brought much more of a bluesy,
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  SPEAKER_00: dirtier sound
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  SPEAKER_00: when you did the three Badlands records.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think this has that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It does have that kind of a dirty, raw sound to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's why people are coming up with the Badlands comparison.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
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  SPEAKER_03: The guitar is more in your face than it was on the Aussie records,
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  SPEAKER_03: which was my main complaint about the Aussie records,
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  SPEAKER_03: was how the guitar wasn't very...
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, it wasn't as upfront as I would have liked it.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I hated Bark at the Moon.
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  SPEAKER_03: I hated the mix the first time I heard it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And to me, it felt like Ozzy wasn't sure that I was the guy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so he kind of had the guitar a little back further in the mix,
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  SPEAKER_03: and he brought the keyboards up a little bit.
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  because he wasn't completely sure that I was capable of taking
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  Randy's place.
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  That's what it felt like to me anyway when I heard the mix for
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  the first time.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I really did hate it for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, you know, 30-odd years later, it's grown on me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And any other mix now would just sound weird and alien.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I wouldn't even go back and fix that.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I think maybe the guitar sound,
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  SPEAKER_03: is more reminiscent of Badlands.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just the fact that when I was an Aussie and I was writing songs,
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  SPEAKER_03: I realized and was told that it had to be a very specific kind of song.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, it had to be heavy metal.
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  And whenever I did kind of push the boundaries a little bit and
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  give a song to Aussie where
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  it,
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  it,
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  I,
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  I was expanding a little and,
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  and he would,
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  um,
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  he would tell me straight off.
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  SPEAKER_03: He said, this is, we're not a jazz band.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're not a blues band.
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  SPEAKER_03: This isn't Frank Zappa.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why he would say that,
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  SPEAKER_01: but,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: he said,
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  SPEAKER_03: this is Ozzy Osbourne,
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  SPEAKER_03: why do Ozzy Osbourne song?
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  SPEAKER_03: So there were strict parameters as far as what I could write.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, um, so when I first formed Badlands, it was like, uh,
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  like a whole new world opened up for me and I could kind of do
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  whatever I wanted.
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  SPEAKER_03: So with Badlands, it did open up more.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, blues, I've always loved blues.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so there was a lot more of that based in Badlands.
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  SPEAKER_03: And with the new Red Dragon Cartel album, it's...
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  SPEAKER_03: Kind of blues.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not as bluesy as Badlands.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I got to play around with it a little more.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's one or two songs where I do some jazz riffing.
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  I'm not saying I'm a good jazz guitar player,
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  but it's certainly fun to pretend like I am.
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  I think the last song on the record,
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  Ink and Water,
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  I do a little jazz riffing in the beginning.
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  And then when it comes to the solo,
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  it took more of a punkish sort of turn.
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  And I got to do Johnny Thunders,
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  or at least my version of Johnny Thunders.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's just fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think it makes the music more interesting.
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  To sprinkle in seasonings of other styles that you might not
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  think would fit under
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  SPEAKER_03: the umbrella of
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  of uh basically hard rock that i play but uh i think it makes
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  more interesting and
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  it definitely makes it more fun for me certainly now now your
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  bass player is also a
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  a pretty good friend of our show anthony and anthony from do
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  you want me to say
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  SPEAKER_02: something bad about no no no no no no i'll do it i'll do it no i'm joking
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  SPEAKER_00: But he was hyping me on,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  I guess you guys had done a couple of demos or some ideas or
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  something before you
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  SPEAKER_00: even went in the studio.
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  And he just kept texting and being like,
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  it's going to be really good,
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  man.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be really good, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when you guys were in the studio, it was just constant, like...
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  can't wait till it's done can't wait till it's done i'm curious
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  from your side now
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  obviously anthony is you know he's an established musician as
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  well as as well as
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  you are did you feel that kind of excitement going in and and
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  as the record started
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  coming together that maybe you had not felt in a while um yeah
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  yeah i would say
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  that it was uh because i wasn't even sure if i was going to do
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  another record to be
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  SPEAKER_03: honest um
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  SPEAKER_03: I just didn't know if I had it in me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was Anthony's pushing at the end of the tour.
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  SPEAKER_03: He said, we can really come up with a good record.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was, you know, I just, can we?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that I have it in me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because the way the first Red Dragon Cartel record was done,
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  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
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  SPEAKER_03: I know I didn't want to do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't want to approach it that way again.
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  SPEAKER_03: for the new record,
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  SPEAKER_03: I said,
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  SPEAKER_03: if we're,
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  SPEAKER_03: if we're going to do this,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's going to have to be old school.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: we can get the band together,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  which we did for a week and I'll pick up the guitar and let's
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  see what comes out of me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me see if, if I even have any more creative flow going.
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  And,
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  um,
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  and I probably wouldn't even bother doing that if not for Anthony.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but, uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it did.
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  SPEAKER_03: It felt good,
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  SPEAKER_03: and it was exciting to write the music in this manner and record it,
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  SPEAKER_03: and we did everything very carefully.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not carefully is probably the wrong word.
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  SPEAKER_03: We didn't let anything go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nothing was good enough.
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  SPEAKER_03: It always had to be
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  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_03: Perfect's the wrong word, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: It had to be as good as it could be.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And didn't settle for anything.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that entails the songwriting, the recording of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I approached it as if it would be my last record, which maybe it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I knew that this record was going to be
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  SPEAKER_03: as good as I could do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm very proud of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's a really good record.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think there's any two songs that you could say are alike.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  If you were to just listen to Havana and think the whole rest
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  of the record was
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  SPEAKER_03: going to be like that,
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  SPEAKER_03: you'd be wrong.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the second song that came out,
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  SPEAKER_03: Crooked Man,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you thought the rest of the record was going to be like that,
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  SPEAKER_03: you'd be wrong too.
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  SPEAKER_03: But they're all...
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  similar they're just not you know I think every song is special
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  on this record and
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  I'm curious to see if that's even something that people want
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  you know say ACDC
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  who's one of my favorite bands ever love ACDC but you hear a
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  song and you kind of
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  SPEAKER_03: know
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  SPEAKER_03: what the next song is going to sound like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the next one, it's all, it's all ACDC.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, um, I don't think this record's like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I think it's close enough to where it,
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  SPEAKER_03: it sounds like one band and it sounds like one record.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's just a lot of different ingredients to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what is unique about it is when you listen to it,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can pretty much pull out,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say,
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  eight of the songs you could pull out individually and listen
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  to and be like,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: that was a cool song.
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  SPEAKER_00: but then it has its own vibe if you listen to it from start to finish.
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  And it's a distinctly different vibe than if you do pull out
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  this song or that song or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is one of the very few records,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: that has come out in the last five,
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  SPEAKER_00: six,
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  SPEAKER_00: ten years that is,
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  SPEAKER_00: at least to my ears,
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  SPEAKER_00: that you can listen to either way.
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  And that's,
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  you know,
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  that's a testament more or less to it being,
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  you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: Fashion from the old school where you don't write singles,
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  where you write records and you just happen to have some really
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  good songs on the record.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think you can listen to it from top to bottom and not get bored.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, the next song is intriguing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, where is this going to go?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I do agree with you.
• 17:06
  I think you can pull all the songs off and listen to them
• 17:08
  individually and go,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: that's a cool song.
• 17:12
  I do think this record is something that you can listen to
• 17:15
  front to back and not
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: get bored,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: or at least...
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: I hope it's like that.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, I just told you this for me, so that's one vote in favor.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Jake,
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: let me ask you one not so nice one,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: but just,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: that needs to be asked,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: is during the last,
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: the first run,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: I guess we'll call it,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of bad press,
• 17:41
  and I know you know that with the Darren drunk performance and
• 17:44
  the different
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: singers coming back and forth,
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: whatnot.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure at some point you as a professional contemplated,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: and you even admitted you weren't sure you wanted to keep going.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: What was it that got you past that?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's a lot of baggage for a quote-unquote new band to overcome.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it was right from the get-go.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the infamous, the infamous whiskey show.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: But, yeah, it was.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: yeah,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: and the various singers towards the end of the tour,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: that didn't help things either.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Although I will say, they were never the Red Dragon Cartel singer.
• 18:38
  Darren and I had a dispute or a disagreement that needed to be
• 18:43
  worked out.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: And during that time, I got other singers in.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: But they were never hired and fired.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't quite as jerky as that.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: I had four singers available.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: I gave each of them like 10 days to come out on the road.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: And it really made it interesting for me.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: I've been doing a lot of interviews.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: My voice is squeaking.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, it made it interesting.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it was that and I had bad management.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Towards the end of it,
• 19:18
  it really started making me think of the reasons why I bowed
• 19:27
  out in the first place.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: But I think, well, you know, I don't want to...
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to make him feel too good about himself,
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: and a lot of it was Anthony,
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: he came,
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: came in towards the end of the tour,
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: replacing Greg chase on who,
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: had gotten a cancer diagnosis,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: so couldn't continue.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh,
• 19:52
  I brought in Anthony and he's just so gung ho about everything
• 19:57
  and such a,
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: a really solid player and a solid guy,
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: and very,
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: supportive and,
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: and,
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: just,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: upbeat about shit that,
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: I,
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: I give him a lot of the credit for,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: making what could have been the end of,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: a shitty tour into,
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: into something that looked like a glimmer of hope.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: And, uh,
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't know if that answered the question.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 20:33
  I mean,
• 20:34
  I just...
• 20:35
  As a fan,
• 20:36
  which I...
• 20:37
  Badlands is one of my top five bands ever.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll just tell you that loudly and proudly.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I play those records pretty much every week.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: One of the three records gets played.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very frustrating as a fan.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we finally get you to come back after...
• 20:54
  20 whatever years,
• 20:55
  you know,
• 20:56
  and then it was like this,
• 20:57
  then this,
• 20:57
  then this,
• 20:58
  then this.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, God damn it.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this happening?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Badlands one of my top five bands too.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me ask you, let me ask you the lone Badlands question.
• 21:10
  And it's one that I'm sure you've answered a hundred times,
• 21:13
  but I,
• 21:13
  I need to ask it.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't I go to a store and buy those records?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I, I don't know.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: I really don't know.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard, uh,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: because there is a certain demand for them,
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: and I've heard rumors that,
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: because Ray might have exposed a large part of the female population.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: To the HIV or whatever, right.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: That they...
• 21:53
  have some sort of coalition where if Badlands was to make any
• 22:01
  money for anybody,
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: they would sue.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard that.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't seem feasible.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, at most, they could possibly sue his portion of it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: And even then, I would think he'd kind of have to prove that
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: if you'd gotten sick, that it was because of Ray.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: so it doesn't sound like something that could happen,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: but that's the only reason I've heard really so far as to why you can't.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why you can't.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: It kind of pisses me off.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, on my phone, I don't have any.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: I do have a third one.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: For some reason, you can download that.
• 22:53
  But I don't have the first two records on my phone,
• 22:58
  and someday I should probably look into it.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 23:04
  Actually,
• 23:05
  I should probably call my manager as soon as I get off the
• 23:08
  phone here and ask him.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Jake, obviously the new record is called Patina.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's out next week, right?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Next Friday?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Is that right?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: November 9th.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: So two weeks.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: Two weeks, yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, awesome.
• 23:26
  And touring,
• 23:27
  I'm going to assume that you're going to take it to the road?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: We're firming up dates right now.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like late February.
• 23:37
  We're going to start southwest United States tour for a month
• 23:44
  or so until we get to
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: the northeastern part of the states.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, then we're going to Japan for a week.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: We're trying to get some European dates after that.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: then after that,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: I guess,
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: we could do another,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: another,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: American tour,
• 24:06
  maybe this time starting in Florida and working our way up to
• 24:10
  the Northwest crisscross,
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I'm really looking forward to this, too.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because these songs,
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: the way they were written,
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: it makes it much more applicable to a stage performance.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas the first record,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: because of the way it was written and recorded with different people,
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: we could only do about half of that record live.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: This record, I'm thinking we could do every single song
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: on this new record live.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited about that because it's,
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: it,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: it's just some of the songs Havana,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: for example,
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think that we recorded it well and it comes across really good,
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: in the video,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: but when you're in the room,
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: when we play that song together as a band,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: it just,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: it's so,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: so hits you in the face.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's a,
• 25:11
  And a lot of these songs,
• 25:13
  I think,
• 25:14
  they're just going to really come to life on tour.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: And, yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool, man.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Jake,
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: as a tradition on the show,
• 25:25
  we always let the artist pick a closing track from the record
• 25:28
  to end the interview
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: with and maybe tell us a story about it.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: So what would you like us to wrap this one up with?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, huh.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Hardest question of the day.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it just...
• 25:42
  I would say Ink and Water,
• 25:44
  because we talked about that earlier,
• 25:46
  I think.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because it's just such a... It's interesting.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: To me, it's the most interesting song on the record.
• 26:03
  And Ink and Water,
• 26:06
  I don't know if there's any...
• 26:08
  It was originally called...
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Tonto Rides a Wave.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: I can tell you that much.
• 26:16
  Because when you're writing a song,
• 26:17
  you know,
• 26:17
  you don't have lyrics right away.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: And for us to be able to say, hey, let's play this song, you name them.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: You name them immediately.
• 26:28
  And that one was because it kind of goes into a surfery part
• 26:33
  with kind of a tribal
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: drum beat underneath it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: That one was originally called Tonto Rides a Wave.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: let me see, Chasing Ghosts was originally called Chode Strangler.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it was just because it reminded me a little bit of a,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: now I can't even think of the name,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: a Ted Nugent song.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Stranglehold?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: Stranglehold, yes.
• 27:11
  It had a little bit of that vibe,
• 27:12
  so I decided to call it Chode Strangler.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Havana was originally entitled Horchata,
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: because that happened to be the beer that I was drinking at the time.
• 27:25
  It was a Blue Moon,
• 27:25
  and it was one of their seasonals,
• 27:28
  and it was Horchata.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, I'm getting off point here.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: Ink and Water, I think, would be, and it's the way the record ends,
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: and I think that would be a very interesting one to play.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, let's play it right now.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's Ink and Water.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: It is the Red Dragon Cartel right here on your classic metal show.