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77. Diana - Princess of Wales · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome to hooded What Now the history
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Speaker 2: podcast That's not your history class? With me your host
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Speaker 2: Katie Charlwood, History Harlotte and reader of books. First of all,
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Speaker 2: I'd like to apologize for my voice at is one
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Speaker 2: a m. I am in a hotel room and I've
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Speaker 2: been traveling for many, many hours. So, as you know,
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Speaker 2: last week I did the talk of the Dunfanny Workhouse
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Speaker 2: about the story of Irish storytelling, and this week I
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Speaker 2: went to Edinburgh. So I was supposed to go with
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Speaker 2: a friend. Well no, that is a bareface lie. I
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Speaker 2: was supposed to go with a romantic companion and then
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Speaker 2: they were beset upon by a series of lamities resulting
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Speaker 2: in you know, a minor surgical procedure and then legally
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Speaker 2: no longer being allowed to fly for a while, which
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Speaker 2: you know, dampens one's romantic and death has somewhat And
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Speaker 2: so I asked around, and then I realized that my
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Speaker 2: social circle is quite small as it turns out, and
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Speaker 2: so I had asked like the two friends I have
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Speaker 2: that I would be like comfortable spending time with, and
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Speaker 2: then I put a bolo out for like the internet,
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Speaker 2: because of course that's not a clearly stupid way to
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Speaker 2: get muddled. But then there was a Canadian who was
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Speaker 2: visiting Scotland and wasn't really doing anything. I was like, cool,
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Speaker 2: you can come with me, we'll do stuff right Sunday
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Speaker 2: sorted because I was going to see Rubin show, like
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Speaker 2: that was the whole purpose of me going. I was
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Speaker 2: supposed to go, and oh, I should like to say
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Speaker 2: that the Romantic Companion told me to go to Edinburgh
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Speaker 2: and not not cancel, because like I would have gone
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Speaker 2: and like spent time with them. If there's what they wanted,
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Speaker 2: I would have just canceled the whole thing. But they
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Speaker 2: were like, no, no, go, like everything's paid for, you've
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Speaker 2: done all this, And I would have done most of
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Speaker 2: the stuff alone. But I did book two escape rooms,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I fucking love Escape Rooms one and two.
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Speaker 2: They are very difficult to do by oneself. So I
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Speaker 2: did what anyone would do and did the ball over
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Speaker 2: the internet, got someone to go with me, and then
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Speaker 2: they go. Romantic Companion goes, why didn't you ask women
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Speaker 2: in will? And I'm what, Hannah, Yes, Hannah, how do
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Speaker 2: you know everybody's names? It's like, because I know my
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Speaker 2: mutuals names, Like that's the thing you learn, like when
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Speaker 2: you talk to them, like you talk to your mutuals, right,
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Speaker 2: Like that's a thing. But as far as I knew,
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Speaker 2: Hannah had family visiting from the States, but they had
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Speaker 2: actually all gone back and she was supposed to be
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Speaker 2: babysitting that weekend. So she's like a babysitting And then
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Speaker 2: like a minute later, wait a minute, I got a message.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to see if I can get a dog setter.
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Speaker 2: I was like cool. So a couple hours later, dogs
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Speaker 2: that are got flights names are the names are changed
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Speaker 2: in the flights, and then we are going to Edinburgh
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Speaker 2: and I get a few extra tickets here and there,
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Speaker 2: so yes, I managed to get a spare ticket for
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Speaker 2: Ruben k sold out show. I'm so fucking proud. This
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Speaker 2: week's episode, by the way, is dedicated to Rubin K
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Speaker 2: and they know why, they know why. I'm actually really excited.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to go see like their full on
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Speaker 2: show because they're tearing Europe and I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: and I am going to force them to become my
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Speaker 2: best friend. And this is how you get blocked from
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Speaker 2: the socials Katie. But yeah, it was a wonderful, wonderful
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Speaker 2: time with Edinburgh and Hannah and I became wonderful friends,
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Speaker 2: to the point that we're now going to make it
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Speaker 2: everybody's problem. We kept ending up in these accidental romantic
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Speaker 2: situations to the point that we're now going to write
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Speaker 2: a rom comn So move overall, Mark, We're coming for you.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, And while I was with her, I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to see Murder. Most Irish do their live
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Speaker 2: podcast in September. I think that's the day the shortlist
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Speaker 2: is announced for the Irish Podcast Awards. And so I
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Speaker 2: go on the website and see that the Listener's Choice
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Speaker 2: is open. And now to a convenience segue. If you'd
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Speaker 2: like to vote for me and the Listener's Choice for
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Speaker 2: the Irish Podcast Awards links in the description down below,
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Speaker 2: I'd really appreciate it. You don't have to be from
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Speaker 2: Ireland to enter. You basically have to type in hood
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Speaker 2: and what now on the Wei link, click me, put
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Speaker 2: in your email address, and then you need to click
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Speaker 2: the link in your email address to confirm your vote.
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Speaker 2: Just to make sure people aren't like fake voting and
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Speaker 2: stuff like that or aren't voting with the same email
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Speaker 2: address times, you know that sort of So yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: that's how that goes. Yay, But I would really appreciate
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Speaker 2: if you'd vote for me. Now, I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 2: You're thinking about your jibber jabber in fact me, in
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Speaker 2: fact you, I will, But first we have got to
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Speaker 2: get our source on. Our sources are Diana A True
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Speaker 2: Story in her Own Words by Andrew Morton, A Royal
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Speaker 2: Duty by Paul Burrow, Diana in Private, The Princess Nobody
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Speaker 2: Knows by Lady Colin Campbell, Diana by Samah Bradford, Diana
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Speaker 2: in Search of Herself, Portrait of a Troubled Princess by
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Speaker 2: Sally Beryl Smith, The Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown, Princess
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Speaker 2: Diana by Joanna Matron, Diana in Pursuit of Love by
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Speaker 2: Andrew Morton, Diana Self Interest and the British National Identity
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Speaker 2: by John A. Taylor. We also have Diana's TV interview,
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Speaker 2: along with contemporary reports from newspapers including The Times, The
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Speaker 2: Daily Record, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph and of course
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Speaker 2: Okay magazine. We also have her old favorites Biography, dot
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Speaker 2: Com and history dot Com. Now I'm sitting comfortably code.
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Speaker 2: Then let's begin. So Diana was born, as one would
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Speaker 2: assume because she was she was born, and so Diana
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Speaker 2: Francis Spencer was born on July first, nineteen sixty one
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Speaker 2: at Park House in Sandringham in Norfolk. So she was
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Speaker 2: born to John Spencer and Francis Spencer, the Viscount and
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Speaker 2: Viscountess Althorpe, respectively. So things weren't going well for the
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Speaker 2: Viscount and the Viscountess because they had four girls. Now
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Speaker 2: are three girls, three girls, Sarah, Jane, and Diana. So
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Speaker 2: there was a brother in between Jane and Diana, right
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Speaker 2: with John, but he passed away and he was only
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Speaker 2: like an infant. So yeah, and this caused a strain
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Speaker 2: in the marriage of the Spencers because of well the
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Speaker 2: fucking patriarchy and the monacle hierarchy, I suppose right, So himself,
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Speaker 2: he was supposed to be the next Earl Spencer. And
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Speaker 2: because earldom passes down you know, the patrilineal line, because
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Speaker 2: it has to go through men in order to you know,
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Speaker 2: get that earl title, because there's no earl less that's
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Speaker 2: not a thing. And so they needed a male heir,
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Speaker 2: and when Diana came along, well they they were not
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Speaker 2: too happy. And again this is a time period where
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Speaker 2: all the blame was still on the women, and well,
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Speaker 2: how did I put this? Francis was sent to Harvey Street,
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Speaker 2: to the doctors in Harvey Street, to a clinic to
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Speaker 2: see what her problem was that she wasn't producing boys,
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Speaker 2: even though now we know it's the male or you know,
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Speaker 2: the x y, which chooses effectively whether it's going to
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Speaker 2: be male or female. Like that's that's how it works, right,
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Speaker 2: And eventually they have Charles, and after they have their boy,
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Speaker 2: well effectively they're done, Like she's done her duty. He
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Speaker 2: has his heir. It means that he will now become
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Speaker 2: heir expencer when you know, his father dies, because you
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Speaker 2: need that male heir otherwise the title could go to
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Speaker 2: someone else who does have that male air, because it's
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Speaker 2: all about lineage, because apparently titles and royalty come from
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Speaker 2: the balls the royal test days, like it's just so stupid,
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Speaker 2: but it is what it is. And so it didn't
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Speaker 2: really help either that Francis was not the most maternal
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Speaker 2: of beings and wasn't exactly her the most motherly of
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Speaker 2: role models, Like she just didn't have that sort of
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Speaker 2: maternal way about her. And I don't think that's her
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Speaker 2: fault necessarily, one because of like the social circle she's from.
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Speaker 2: And two, you know, this is what happens when women
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Speaker 2: are forced to be mothers, enforced into parenthood when they
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Speaker 2: might just not be sitted for it. And I know
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Speaker 2: this is going to shock you, gentle listener, but Diana's
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Speaker 2: parents do end up separating and then divorcing, like they're done.
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Speaker 2: Back to Diana for a wee bit. So Diana is
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Speaker 2: actually born a commoner, Like she's not noble. Well, I
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Speaker 2: mean technically she has no quote unquote royal blood, So
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Speaker 2: she is both a commoner and an aristocrat, like both
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Speaker 2: of those things exist simultaneously. And it sounds like a
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Speaker 2: weird thing to like wrap your head around, but she
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Speaker 2: is what am I talking about saying she wasn't noble.
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Speaker 2: She was she was like the honorable Diana Francis Spencer,
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Speaker 2: Like that was her sort of honorific, you know, and
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Speaker 2: the honorable honorific. But yeah, so she's technically a commoner
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Speaker 2: but also an aristocrat and is noble but not royal,
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Speaker 2: even though she's like descended from two of King Charles's
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Speaker 2: like descendants. I'm King Charles the second who was you know,
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Speaker 2: you know, the mery monarch always shagging it about. So
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Speaker 2: two of his illegitimate children are her ancestors, along with
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Speaker 2: Anne Bolin, because she's descended from Mary Bolin. So like
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Speaker 2: she's got like she's got some royal blood in there,
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Speaker 2: she's got some some decent heritage. But all the heritage
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Speaker 2: in the world doesn't change anything when your childhood is
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Speaker 2: absolute shit. Now we can be like, uh, poor little
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Speaker 2: witch girl, but clearly enough was going around in her
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Speaker 2: sort of formative years that it led to a funck
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Speaker 2: ton of trauma. So when she's like six years old,
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Speaker 2: her parents separate and initially she goes to stay with
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Speaker 2: her her mom in London. So yeah, she decides Sandringham
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Speaker 2: isn't for her, yes, like the books, and she goes
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Speaker 2: to stay in London with her mom because she thinks
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Speaker 2: it's just a better option. But I'm not sure if
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Speaker 2: it's because her mother generally wasn't like a decent parent.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was, but also I think maybe a
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Speaker 2: little bit of racism in there, because she is dating
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Speaker 2: a Peter Shand kid and so over the Christmas holidays,
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Speaker 2: Diana goes back to her dad to spend time at
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Speaker 2: Sandringham for Christmas, which, by the way, is least from
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Speaker 2: the Queen like Diana's been her childhood, playing with Prince
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Speaker 2: Andrew and Prince Edward like their house is least from
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Speaker 2: the Queen, like they were royal adjacent, like they knew people,
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Speaker 2: they weren't exactly picking for scraps. So she goes home
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Speaker 2: to her dad for Christmas and he just straight up
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Speaker 2: refuses to send her back to London. And you know
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Speaker 2: that you fucked something up when your mother is on
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Speaker 2: the other side. So Lord Althorpe John Spencer he wins
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Speaker 2: custody of Diana with help from his former mother in law.
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Speaker 2: So he's divorced from Francis, and he gets you know,
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Speaker 2: Lady Fermoy, her mother, to be on his team on
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Speaker 2: his side and to help him get custody of his children.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you have to bollox things up at
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Speaker 2: this point, you know, for this to happen up until
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Speaker 2: this point as well, Diana is homeschooled. She's got a governess, right,
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Speaker 2: So she starts off our first couple of years with
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Speaker 2: a governess because you know, she's a fucking aristocrat and
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Speaker 2: she gets this. So she's got a governess, Gertrude Allen.
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Speaker 2: And then she goes to a private school in Norfolk,
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Speaker 2: I think it's Silfield she goes to. And then when
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Speaker 2: she's nine, she goes to an all girls boarding school
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Speaker 2: because that's what posh ladies do. Now, when she's twelve,
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Speaker 2: she joins her sisters at their high school, which is
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Speaker 2: the West Heathen Girls' School, and she she does not
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Speaker 2: do well there. She did, things go badly. She films
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Speaker 2: her old levels twice and you know, academically not the
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Speaker 2: best thing. But like she does like community stuff and
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Speaker 2: gets like community Spirit awards. And it's hard to say
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Speaker 2: whether like she did more things for the community because
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Speaker 2: you know, she was trying to do good and put
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Speaker 2: good out there, or whether it was more to do
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Speaker 2: with that she was looking for recognition of some kind. Now,
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Speaker 2: before anybody goes, oh, you should know Diana, no, no
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Speaker 2: I'm not, because if I was, you would fucking know
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Speaker 2: about it, because you've heard me talk about Winston Churchill
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Speaker 2: all right, who incidentally she is related to. But the
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Speaker 2: point is, if I wanted to tear someone apart, I
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Speaker 2: would not be so bloody considerate. All right, all right,
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Speaker 2: So Diana, you know, she does these outwardly things for
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Speaker 2: you know, for the community, for people, for out there,
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Speaker 2: but like at home, they call her Dutch. Not because
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Speaker 2: she's like really into strip vaffles or anything or ollibolin. No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: it's because she asks high and mighty. She acts like
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Speaker 2: she's a duchess, like she's out for better things. And
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Speaker 2: that's where that comes from. It's because, I mean, she
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Speaker 2: is the youngest girl, so that comes with the territory
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Speaker 2: a wee bit. And again, given her parentage in the
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Speaker 2: matter of which she was raised, you really can't fucking
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Speaker 2: blame her, can you, Like you can't. And to top
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Speaker 2: it off as well, she's growing up in this era
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Speaker 2: where although body negativity isn't really like outwardly projected, it's
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Speaker 2: still there. It's still nitpicking, it's everywhere, right, So she
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Speaker 2: still has this to deal with as well, and she
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Speaker 2: clearly has unresolved trauma now while she's still at secondary
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Speaker 2: school in high school. When she's fourteen, her father becomes
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Speaker 2: Earl Spencer, the eighth Earl of Spencer actually, and the
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Speaker 2: whole family up sticks and moves. So they leave Sandringham
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Speaker 2: and they move to park House. Sorry, that's a lie.
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Speaker 2: They move from park House to Althorpe, which is like
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Speaker 2: the Spencer's seat in a Thrampshire. He has his title,
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Speaker 2: he moves his family. Now. Somewhere during this period, her
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Speaker 2: dad starts seeing Rain. Rain is the Countess of Dartmouth,
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Speaker 2: and yet they get married when she's fifteen, and Diana
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Speaker 2: and Rain they do not get on, to say the least.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually none of the the Spencer children particularly like
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Speaker 2: Rain for why who's to say. But at some point
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Speaker 2: between the age of fifteen and nineteen, I'm not sure when,
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Speaker 2: but at one point Diana pushes Rain down a flight
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Speaker 2: of stairs. Now, I don't know, like what's going on
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Speaker 2: in your life, but at no point should you push
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Speaker 2: a middle aged lady down some stairs unless you're about
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Speaker 2: to be like grievously harmed in some way or you know,
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Speaker 2: but like, do you just have that as your first option?
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Speaker 2: If step one is push a middle aged lady down
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Speaker 2: a flower stairs, might want to rethink your steps, might
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Speaker 2: want to recalculate that somehow, because that feels not to
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Speaker 2: put too fine a point in it, a wee bit extreme,
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Speaker 2: to be honest. So yeah, yeah, things things aren't going well.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's an earl. She's gonna step mother her
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Speaker 2: evil step mother. Who And then you know, she's in
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Speaker 2: secondary school and she's dancing and playing music and she
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Speaker 2: plays a piano actually, and she's she's a really good
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Speaker 2: at athletic thing, so like swimming, diving, tap dance and
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Speaker 2: ballet and this is going to be importan in a
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Speaker 2: wee minute. So she is doing this and then age sixteen,
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Speaker 2: she's like no, mm hmm, she just leaves West He
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Speaker 2: she's done with it and it's just not her thing.
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Speaker 2: It's just not really it, and she's looking for something else.
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Speaker 2: But being a lady of breeding, Diana is sent to
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Speaker 2: the Institute alpen vena minette. I would like to apologize
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Speaker 2: because I do not speak Swiss, Swiss, French, Swiss, Italian, Swiss,
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Speaker 2: whatever language they speak in Switzerland, I don't speak it.
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Speaker 2: So she basically goes to this finishing school and she
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Speaker 2: goes for one term and yeah, she's she's there for
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Speaker 2: one term and then she leaves after like Easter in
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, and so she goes to work as
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Speaker 2: a nanny for the Whitakers in Hampshire, after which she
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Speaker 2: decides she's heading back to London and she's staying in
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Speaker 2: one of her mother's abodes. She's sharing a flat or
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Speaker 2: an apartment with two of her pals. And so while
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Speaker 2: she's there, she's doing aught a ends. She's not really
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Speaker 2: doing much right, so she's like taking a week course
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Speaker 2: here and there, she's learning to cook, and she's doing
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Speaker 2: these wee betty jobs, like low paying jobs, especially for
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Speaker 2: a woman of her, you know, upbringing, and so she's
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Speaker 2: she's working as like a preschool assistant. She does cleaning
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Speaker 2: for her sister and her pals, Like she cleans flats
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Speaker 2: and apartments for her sister and her sister's friends, and
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Speaker 2: her sister's like, yep, that's definitely a thing for you
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Speaker 2: to do Dutch, just because she's like, yeah, make it work.
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Speaker 2: And so she's she's nannying here and she's doing like
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Speaker 2: bits here and there, and she's she wanted to be
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Speaker 2: a ballerina initially, right, she wanted to dance, but being
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Speaker 2: as tall as she was, that just was never gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: She was never gonna be a prima ballerina. With her height, right,
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Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift too tall for ballet, and so she
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Speaker 2: becomes like a dance instructor instead. And so she's supposed
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Speaker 2: to take these exams for her to be a dance instructor,
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Speaker 2: like a proper full on teacher. But instead of taking
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Speaker 2: the exam, which she was supposed to do and she
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Speaker 2: was lined up to do and was all arranged for her,
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Speaker 2: she buggers off to Switzerland. Is Switzerland, She buggers off
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Speaker 2: somewhere to ski. I don't know how a feeling at Switzerland.
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Speaker 2: So she goes to ski in the Alps, right, and
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Speaker 2: she ends up injuring herself in missing three months of work.
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Speaker 2: And now I know you're like, oh, well, she's eighteen.
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Speaker 2: You know she should get doing what she likes. And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, here's the thing, Like, when you're seventeen eighteen,
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Speaker 2: at this point, you have to choose your plan. You
22:21
Speaker 2: have to figure out what like what your employment, your vocation,
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Speaker 2: all this is going to be. And they make you
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Speaker 2: choose this. At this age, we most of us have
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Speaker 2: had to do it. Anyone who's old enough to have
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Speaker 2: been to college or been pushed into the workforce or whatever,
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Speaker 2: you've had to do, Like you make these decisions younger.
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Speaker 2: You're forced into it one way or the other, right,
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Speaker 2: because that's just how society is. And so she was
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Speaker 2: supposed to take this, you know, work opportunity, this which
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Speaker 2: isn't afforded to every fucking person, and she was supposed
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Speaker 2: to do it, but instead she decides to go skiing
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Speaker 2: with her friends and ends up just dashing this opportunity,
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Speaker 2: like ruining it completely. But anyway, she's clean and flats.
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Speaker 2: She's working as a hostess at parties, and she's working
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Speaker 2: as like a nursery assistant, right and when she's eighteen,
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Speaker 2: when she is eighteen, for a birthday present, her mom
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Speaker 2: buys her a flat in Earl's Court. Like that's that's
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Speaker 2: pretty good, because you know, I mean, not everybody gets
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Speaker 2: a flat, she says, in a cost of living crisis
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Speaker 2: where more millennials are living at home than ever and
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Speaker 2: gen ziers are just pitching tents at this point, and
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Speaker 2: boomers are just complaining that we can't buy a house
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Speaker 2: with a shiny penny and an old toothbrush. But here
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Speaker 2: we are. Life is as it is. But yes, I
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Speaker 2: guess we should talk about Charles now for a bit,
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Speaker 2: shouldn't we yeah. Yeah, So at the time King Charles
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Speaker 2: the third was Prince Charles, and he had actually been
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Speaker 2: dating Diana's older sister. Now they had been together, and
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Speaker 2: by together, I'm fairly certain they were shagging, right, I'm
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Speaker 2: fairly certain. I don't recall seeing anything that confirmed it
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Speaker 2: one way or the other, but I'm fairly certain they
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Speaker 2: were shagging. So Charles at this point he is supposed
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Speaker 2: to pick a wife because this is not a good
24:41
Speaker 2: situation for anybody, because he loved Camilla Parker Bowles before
24:46
Speaker 2: she was Parkables. So he loved her. One she was Catholic.
24:52
Speaker 2: Two she was not a virgin. These two things not
24:56
Speaker 2: really not really agreed upon for the future monarch, and
25:00
Speaker 2: as such, the Queen Mother at the time basically forced
25:04
Speaker 2: a wedge between them, ensured that Camilla got married and
25:07
Speaker 2: that Charles was sent away to basically ensure that everything
25:13
Speaker 2: went smoothly right, and so she was an absolute we
25:20
Speaker 2: turn ape bitch like I will do the Queen Mother
25:22
Speaker 2: one day, I we'll talk about her. You want to
25:24
Speaker 2: hear me rail about someone, let me tell you about
25:27
Speaker 2: the Queen Mother because she was an arse. But yes, yes,
25:35
Speaker 2: where was I stupid? Adhd get back on track. So, yeah,
25:40
Speaker 2: he was shagging Sarah, but at this point he's supposed
25:43
Speaker 2: to be he's supposed to be looking for a wife
25:49
Speaker 2: at this point because he is the heir apparent, he
25:51
Speaker 2: is the future monarch of the country. He needs to
25:54
Speaker 2: settle down and start popping out puppies, like that is
25:57
Speaker 2: the royal agenda the firm have said, computer says yes.
26:02
Speaker 2: So he ends up meeting her like what I think, uh,
26:09
Speaker 2: like in passing, but nothing really noticeable, right, But then
26:14
Speaker 2: it's a couple of years before they actually meet like properly, properly,
26:18
Speaker 2: like he's he meets her in passing when he's you know,
26:21
Speaker 2: shagging her sister, but he doesn't really he doesn't really
26:26
Speaker 2: pay much attention to her because she's very young at
26:29
Speaker 2: that point. But when they are both and I'm both
26:37
Speaker 2: invited to this country weekend and she's nineteen and he's
26:43
Speaker 2: much older, and he starts paying attention to her because
26:47
Speaker 2: she she pays attention to him in a way that
26:54
Speaker 2: other people don't. And it's I don't know if it's youth.
26:58
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because she's nineteen year old
27:00
Speaker 2: virgin I don't know if it's because she has conditioned
27:05
Speaker 2: herself to fawn and to show a certain amount of
27:10
Speaker 2: endearment and respect, like an ingenue to try and get
27:14
Speaker 2: this affection and attention that she so missed out on
27:20
Speaker 2: in childhood. But that's just a theory, and I think
27:26
Speaker 2: she presented herself in a way in order to obtain that. Now,
27:33
Speaker 2: whether that's right or wrong, we're not going to say,
27:36
Speaker 2: that's not our business at this point because as long
27:41
Speaker 2: as it's not harming anybody, it's not an issue, right.
27:45
Speaker 2: And so they start spending ten together, Like he invites
27:50
Speaker 2: her aboard of the Royal yacht Britannia, and then she
27:55
Speaker 2: gets invited to Bill Morrow, and I think they only
27:58
Speaker 2: see each other like a few times before they're married.
28:02
Speaker 2: And like what initially made her stand out to him
28:06
Speaker 2: is because she actually, you know, wanted to discuss and
28:09
Speaker 2: you know, give her condolences for Lord mcbatten, who he
28:12
Speaker 2: was really really close to, and that's not something people
28:17
Speaker 2: did in his circle. And I think the novelty of
28:19
Speaker 2: it really made him pay attention to her. But yeah,
28:22
Speaker 2: she gets to ball Moral and this is like a
28:25
Speaker 2: test because if you can handle the royal family at
28:28
Speaker 2: ball Moral, you can basically handle anything, right, Like that's
28:31
Speaker 2: the whole shin dig Right. So they get there and
28:35
Speaker 2: turns out everybody fucking loves her. They think she's just right.
28:39
Speaker 2: They think she's shy enough and naive enough and young
28:43
Speaker 2: enough to like be malleable to be the person that
28:47
Speaker 2: they need her to be, and they think she's just right,
28:50
Speaker 2: you know. And then some people just think she's genuinely
28:53
Speaker 2: quite nice, like Prince Philip actually quite liked her. He
28:56
Speaker 2: thought she was fun, right because she wasn't like a
29:00
Speaker 2: stuffy fuddy duddy like most of the royals, right, and
29:03
Speaker 2: so he was thinking, yes, Oh, and at this point,
29:06
Speaker 2: she's Lady Diana Spencer because she got the title of
29:08
Speaker 2: lady once her dad got the earldom, right, so also
29:12
Speaker 2: like this, But yeah, so things are going well. Everybody
29:15
Speaker 2: loves her. Now on February, it's February ninety n eighty one,
29:24
Speaker 2: and they've seen each other like twelve thirteen times over
29:30
Speaker 2: the whole period of this courtship, right, and the press
29:35
Speaker 2: are aware that this relationship is happening, and so Diana
29:40
Speaker 2: is getting hounded. She's got paparazzi hounding her. She her
29:44
Speaker 2: photograph is being taken everywhere, like people are following her
29:48
Speaker 2: because she is just the juiciest piece of gossip people
29:52
Speaker 2: haven't had in a long time. And so she's there
29:56
Speaker 2: and people are like getting the Diana haircut and they're
29:59
Speaker 2: obsessing over and like she's being followed around so much
30:03
Speaker 2: that she's driving her car and she literally just burts
30:06
Speaker 2: into tears at the wheel because she's so tired and
30:11
Speaker 2: exhausted and upset about being followed by the press. But
30:16
Speaker 2: yet February Night, did anyone skip forward? They propose. He
30:21
Speaker 2: proposes to her, and it's like the sixth it's the
30:28
Speaker 2: sixth So he proposes to hert windsor Castle, and then
30:32
Speaker 2: she picks an engagement ring, like she says out of
30:35
Speaker 2: a magazine, right, it's yeah, she it's basically they bring
30:39
Speaker 2: her these pictures of rings and she's like, I want
30:42
Speaker 2: that one, and that's how it is, right. But they
30:45
Speaker 2: keep their relationship secret for so many I say relationship.
30:48
Speaker 2: They keep the engagement secret for a couple of weeks
30:50
Speaker 2: because the formal engagement needs to be announced by the palace.
30:56
Speaker 2: There's royal protocol. So she ends up leaving her job
31:01
Speaker 2: as a nursery assistant, moves out of her flat, moves
31:04
Speaker 2: into Clarence's House, which is actually the home of the
31:08
Speaker 2: week we spiteful turn up with the Queen Mother. So
31:12
Speaker 2: after she stays there, she moves into Buckingham Palace until
31:15
Speaker 2: the wedding, which is really fucking lonely, right because Prince Charles,
31:24
Speaker 2: he is buggered off. He's a way too. I think
31:27
Speaker 2: it's Australia for this trip, but oh my god, no,
31:32
Speaker 2: I forgot the most important part wenng Okay, So they
31:35
Speaker 2: do their formal announcement of the engagement. The press is
31:38
Speaker 2: there and they're like, oh, it's good to see that
31:40
Speaker 2: you're in love, and Prince Charles famously or infasmously nope,
31:45
Speaker 2: infamously says whatever love means, like I don't know who
31:50
Speaker 2: you are or how like hard hearted you are, but
31:55
Speaker 2: that's going to be a fucking kick in the teeth.
31:58
Speaker 2: That's going to make that awful sucking sort of drop down,
32:03
Speaker 2: punched in the gut feeling like right there, like no,
32:09
Speaker 2: no matter what you feel about that person specifically, you
32:13
Speaker 2: know that's got a hurt. But yeah. So he has
32:19
Speaker 2: gone away to Australia and New Zealand for just over
32:24
Speaker 2: a months and Diana is crying at the airport because
32:32
Speaker 2: not because he's leaving, because he took a call with Camilla.
32:36
Speaker 2: Now Camilla tries to spend some time with her, and
32:38
Speaker 2: she tries to tell her about Prince Charles and about
32:45
Speaker 2: the way of things. Because nobody, nobody thought at any point,
32:50
Speaker 2: we should give this girl some training. We should explain
32:53
Speaker 2: to her what is expected of her. We should give
32:56
Speaker 2: her sort of royal etiquete training, and this, that and
32:59
Speaker 2: the other. We should let her be prepared for the
33:02
Speaker 2: life that she is jumping into. Because nobody did. Nobody
33:07
Speaker 2: sat down, nobody thought to break it down for her
33:11
Speaker 2: in any way. And this joining the royal family is
33:16
Speaker 2: more than just bowing and showing up at events and waving.
33:20
Speaker 1: It is.
33:24
Speaker 2: It's a fucking duty, like when you remember the royal family,
33:27
Speaker 2: like that's how it's seen. It's your job, right, you
33:30
Speaker 2: have things you have to do, like it's expected. You're
33:33
Speaker 2: for the country, right, you belong to the country. Your
33:36
Speaker 2: life isn't your own anymore. And nobody thought to tell
33:41
Speaker 2: this nineteen year old girl that, And it fucking pisses
33:44
Speaker 2: me off. But anyway, she's in Buckingham Palace. You cannot
33:51
Speaker 2: open the curtains past a certain point otherwise people can
33:53
Speaker 2: see in. So there's all these rules and regulations and
33:57
Speaker 2: she's in a fucking separate wing and she's still and
34:01
Speaker 2: no wonder, no wonder, she is upset and she has
34:09
Speaker 2: to get ready for this wedding that everyone is obsessed
34:12
Speaker 2: with because people are obsessed with her. Now you look
34:16
Speaker 2: at Princess Diana now right, and you look at her
34:19
Speaker 2: and you think, wow, she is a perfectly acceptable lady.
34:23
Speaker 2: Right back then the people saw her as absolutely stunningly
34:30
Speaker 2: gorgeously beautiful. And the reason being was when you look
34:35
Speaker 2: at the Royals now. I don't want to throw around
34:39
Speaker 2: terms like horse face, but but though the royals do
34:46
Speaker 2: look like, you know, they were bred in a stable. Sometimes,
34:50
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's the inbreeding, maybe because there's
34:53
Speaker 2: a lot of that incest going along. People are marrying
34:57
Speaker 2: cousins and whatnot. Like you're fa should not be a wreath,
35:01
Speaker 2: It's all I'm saying. I just feel like, as a
35:03
Speaker 2: general rule, let's not do that. Also, why I do
35:07
Speaker 2: not take people in my county because I am related
35:11
Speaker 2: to too many people, Like I was like, no, no, no,
35:15
Speaker 2: as far away as possible, thank you. So the royal
35:23
Speaker 2: wedding is approaching and Diana is getting this ridiculous massive
35:27
Speaker 2: wedding dress made. It's the big princess dress that everyone
35:30
Speaker 2: is obsessed with, and it's by Elizabeth and David Emmanuel.
35:36
Speaker 2: But this dress isn't the only dress they made. They
35:41
Speaker 2: made a second dress that was completely different to the first. Right,
35:45
Speaker 2: it's slim line, it was a very different look, and
35:48
Speaker 2: it was just in case somehow, some way this dress
35:52
Speaker 2: got leaked to the press. So because they don't want
35:56
Speaker 2: that happening, they were like, yes, let's not do that.
36:00
Speaker 2: So this big princess dress, like it's very much like
36:03
Speaker 2: the Cinderella dress or the Aerial wedding dress. It's puffy
36:06
Speaker 2: and massive in the very nineteen eighties, it's huge, and
36:10
Speaker 2: so it starts a trend of like massive, massive wedding dresses,
36:15
Speaker 2: like the bigger the better. It is just absolutely ginormous.
36:20
Speaker 2: And so she's getting close to the wedding and she's
36:25
Speaker 2: having doubts and she wants to call it off, especially
36:29
Speaker 2: after she finds them. She finds this bracelet made for
36:35
Speaker 2: Camilla by Charles, and he's like, you can't make me
36:41
Speaker 2: give her up. I can't lose her, like they're not
36:44
Speaker 2: physical at this point, Like they're not and it's just
36:51
Speaker 2: like anybody in the situation, not Charles and Diana, not
36:56
Speaker 2: Charles and Camilla, Like at this point, nobody's knocking boots,
37:00
Speaker 2: but still emotional affairs suck balls, so let's not do that.
37:06
Speaker 2: So she wants to call off the wedding, and her
37:08
Speaker 2: sisters are telling her, you can't fucking do this. It's
37:11
Speaker 2: too late, Like you will turnish your reputation if you
37:15
Speaker 2: call this off. Everything will be fucked up. You'll do
37:18
Speaker 2: in our lives and everyone we know if you do this.
37:21
Speaker 2: So she basically has no choice to go through with
37:24
Speaker 2: the wedding, and it is just the biggest deal. So
37:29
Speaker 2: it gets held at Saint Paul's Cathedral, even though most
37:34
Speaker 2: like real weddings, they would happen at Westminster Abbey, but
37:38
Speaker 2: Saint Paul's Cathedral can hold more people and this is
37:43
Speaker 2: a huge event. They want everyone who's everyone to be there,
37:47
Speaker 2: and so it's televised. Everything is amazing, and my favorite
37:52
Speaker 2: thing happens. Well, two things happen. One she doesn't say obey,
37:56
Speaker 2: and the love honor and obey. Because the couple are
37:58
Speaker 2: like let's not do that. That's a bit much. Can
38:02
Speaker 2: I respect the two of them for that? You gotta
38:06
Speaker 2: But but she also gets his like middle names mixed up,
38:10
Speaker 2: so it's supposed to be Charles, Philip, Arthur George, but
38:14
Speaker 2: she says Philip, Charles Arthur George. So yeah, yeah, that
38:19
Speaker 2: was funny. So, like the streets are lined with people.
38:23
Speaker 2: There's like six hundred thousand people there, and like there's
38:29
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty million people watching, Like this is unprecedented,
38:34
Speaker 2: this is huge. This is the world watching this royal wedding,
38:39
Speaker 2: and it is known as the fairy tale wedding. It
38:42
Speaker 2: is the wedding upon which all weddings are based, like
38:46
Speaker 2: for like decades. It is just so just it's in
38:54
Speaker 2: the social, the cultural sort of memory. It's the biggest thing.
38:59
Speaker 2: So when she marries, she gains the title Princess of Wales,
39:05
Speaker 2: so she becomes her Royal Highness, the Princess of Wales.
39:10
Speaker 2: She also becomes the Duchess of Rodesay, the Baroness of Renfrew,
39:13
Speaker 2: Duchess of Cornwall, and Countess of Chester. So because she
39:19
Speaker 2: married into royalty but isn't a child of the monarchy, right,
39:26
Speaker 2: she is Diana Princess of Wales not Princess Diana if
39:31
Speaker 2: she was to be called princess, like as at the beginning,
39:36
Speaker 2: she's technically Princess Charles just because of the way like
39:40
Speaker 2: monarchay titles work, right, So yeah, even though she's like
39:47
Speaker 2: collectively known as Princess Die yet she's not actually Princess
39:52
Speaker 2: Die has to go after her name and not before it,
39:55
Speaker 2: or we can just call her Princess Diana just to
39:58
Speaker 2: annoy the stone monarchists. Like, I love royals as a
40:05
Speaker 2: as a history sort of lover because they're so fascinating,
40:10
Speaker 2: like even as a sociologist, right, just the concept and
40:13
Speaker 2: the social sort of rules and regulations and everything within
40:19
Speaker 2: that little sort of ecosystem. It's fucking fascinating. I mean,
40:27
Speaker 2: do I wish that, you know, more money was afforded
40:31
Speaker 2: to I don't know, resolving homelessness for example, Yeah, maybe
40:36
Speaker 2: it might be an idea. But anyway, back to Diana,
40:41
Speaker 2: so pretty sharpish after they get married, they start trying
40:47
Speaker 2: for an air and it works because she is pregnant
40:52
Speaker 2: by November. So they're staying in like Kensington, PA and
41:00
Speaker 2: High Grove House like that. They're royal sort of residences,
41:05
Speaker 2: and so they're there and they're working on making an
41:07
Speaker 2: air right now, Diana, because she's so beloved by the press,
41:14
Speaker 2: you know, what goes up must come down. So she's
41:17
Speaker 2: going to see the theater one night and she falls
41:21
Speaker 2: asleep and this gets caught on camera and people are
41:25
Speaker 2: going absolutely nuts about it because she's disrespectful, she's not
41:29
Speaker 2: performing as she should as like a future monarch, YadA, YadA, YadA.
41:33
Speaker 2: But Diana's pregnant and obviously, due to plural protocol, it
41:37
Speaker 2: can't be announced yet, so she can has to deal
41:40
Speaker 2: with this harassment from the press. But then on the
41:45
Speaker 2: fifth of November nineteen eighty one, the pregnancy is announced, yay.
41:53
Speaker 2: And but basically a few weeks later, in January of
41:59
Speaker 2: eighty two, she's like twelve weeks in, so she's right
42:03
Speaker 2: at that cusp right of stunning to show. And Diana
42:09
Speaker 2: is in Sandringham and she is dealing with so much
42:16
Speaker 2: like internal stress and depression. Actually, now we can she
42:24
Speaker 2: said that she felt so inadequate. But I think between
42:27
Speaker 2: the press hounding her and the lack of affection from
42:32
Speaker 2: her husband, and the fact that she clearly had some
42:36
Speaker 2: deep wooded mental health issues which were not being addressed,
42:40
Speaker 2: plus pregnancy hormones kind of bucket things up for her
42:45
Speaker 2: a wee bit and she ends up throwing herself down
42:48
Speaker 2: some stairs. Now she clearly has a thing about stairs.
42:51
Speaker 2: Pushes one lady down one, throws herself down another. Now,
42:55
Speaker 2: luckily she only ends up with some bruising and the
42:58
Speaker 2: rokind ecology. Sir George Pinker, he is like toot sweet
43:03
Speaker 2: heading out from London, like boom boom, boom bom. He's there, Like, luckily,
43:10
Speaker 2: everything's fine, fetus, no deletus, everything's good. But you know,
43:16
Speaker 2: she did throw herself down some stairs. Maybe suggest some
43:21
Speaker 2: therapy apparently, no, apparently not the dune thing. So twenty
43:29
Speaker 2: first of June nineteen eighty two, Diana gives birth to
43:33
Speaker 2: the heir to the throne, Prince William. Now she has
43:40
Speaker 2: to do this little photo outside the hospital because she's
43:44
Speaker 2: supposed to give birth inside like one of the palaces
43:47
Speaker 2: or one of the royal residences or whatever. And she's like, no, no, no,
43:51
Speaker 2: please bring me to a hospital. I would very much
43:54
Speaker 2: appreciate medicine and doctors, and you know, lower risk of
44:02
Speaker 2: shit happening, and so medical professionals very much enjoy that
44:06
Speaker 2: and you know, a medical setting just as a thing,
44:11
Speaker 2: and so she does. And this has led to basically
44:15
Speaker 2: all of these photos of Royal babies outside the hospital
44:21
Speaker 2: and like she's just given birth right, she's had to
44:25
Speaker 2: have her hair and makeup done, her stomach has probably
44:28
Speaker 2: been strapped in. You know, she's probably wearing a fucking
44:31
Speaker 2: nappy because she's still bleeding, because you bleed for a
44:36
Speaker 2: long time, and you know it's pain, lots and lots
44:40
Speaker 2: of pain. But you can't give her enough like pain
44:43
Speaker 2: colors because you'll see that in her eyes and the
44:45
Speaker 2: press will see it. So that's right, put on some heels,
44:50
Speaker 2: strap yourself in and just show yourself to the world.
44:54
Speaker 2: Like that's that's a completely healthy thing to expect of,
44:59
Speaker 2: you know, a postpartum body. Absolu fucking lokly. That was
45:04
Speaker 2: sarcasm if you couldn't tell. So she is suffering from
45:11
Speaker 2: postpartum depression, post natal depression. She is, she's just not
45:16
Speaker 2: doing well, like not at all, and she is trying
45:22
Speaker 2: to figure out anything, any sort of moment of happiness.
45:28
Speaker 2: So the problem of being in the royal family is
45:30
Speaker 2: one it's really fucking lonely and two you've got nothing
45:34
Speaker 2: to do like you have like certain duties and stuff.
45:38
Speaker 2: And Diana, it's all like royal engagements and seeing the
45:41
Speaker 2: troops and doing this stuff. But she wants to do
45:43
Speaker 2: more like she And it's a double edge blade with
45:48
Speaker 2: this one. And I'm gonna get shit for it and
45:50
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shit for it. But Diana coorded the press,
45:54
Speaker 2: and everything she did well, not everything she did, there
45:57
Speaker 2: was always an element of her being the center of attention,
46:03
Speaker 2: Like there was always a part of it where she's
46:05
Speaker 2: being shown to be the good person. Because like two
46:10
Speaker 2: things can be true at once, Like she can want
46:13
Speaker 2: to provide love and consideration and compassion to people who
46:20
Speaker 2: are often denied it and also want to be recognized
46:26
Speaker 2: for that, to be acknowledged for that. Do you have
46:29
Speaker 2: that affection and empathy reciprocated, Like it's okay for both
46:38
Speaker 2: things to happen. It's okay for two things to be
46:40
Speaker 2: true at once. And Diana courted the press. She did
46:45
Speaker 2: and we know she did, and she performed for them,
46:48
Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't care if you're doing the right
46:50
Speaker 2: thing for the wrong reasons, as long as you're doing
46:53
Speaker 2: the right thing. Like, I'm not saying it doesn't matter
46:57
Speaker 2: why you're doing it, but I think some times the
47:00
Speaker 2: end result is more important than, you know, the manner
47:04
Speaker 2: in which you got there. Now, there are certain forms
47:07
Speaker 2: of childhood cancer which have been cured because we've done
47:11
Speaker 2: tests on rats, like we have deliberately chosen to hert
47:16
Speaker 2: animals in order to save children's lives. And I think, okay, cool, Yeah,
47:23
Speaker 2: the lesser of two evils. So if someone does something
47:26
Speaker 2: that might not necessarily be you know, for the best reason,
47:31
Speaker 2: but they're saving lives, they're helping people, which is what
47:36
Speaker 2: Diana did. So she might have wanted the attention and
47:41
Speaker 2: wanted this back at her, you know, I mean, but
47:46
Speaker 2: part of her at least wanted to do good and
47:50
Speaker 2: another part of her wanted the attention. And I don't
47:55
Speaker 2: think that's necessarily a wrong thing, but I think it's
47:58
Speaker 2: something we have to acknowledge and accept. But I think
48:03
Speaker 2: she did amazing things, you know, when she when she
48:07
Speaker 2: was hugging AIDS patients, when she showed that you know,
48:11
Speaker 2: they weren't dangerous, when she visited a leprosy colony. Because
48:16
Speaker 2: people have a very had to put this incorrect view
48:21
Speaker 2: of how leprosy works, because I've said it before, but
48:24
Speaker 2: leprosy is a very slow moving disease. It is very
48:28
Speaker 2: difficult to get leprosy, and then it is very i
48:32
Speaker 2: don't know, it's a very long time before the signs
48:35
Speaker 2: of leprosy start to show. So you have a long
48:37
Speaker 2: time to sort of cure or sort of prevent leprosy
48:43
Speaker 2: from happening. You know, it's not really a huge risk,
48:46
Speaker 2: you know. But yes, so she's she's visiting like children
48:52
Speaker 2: in South Africa, and you know, troops have been injured
48:58
Speaker 2: and all of this wonderful stuff. But again, and for
49:05
Speaker 2: all of these acts and everything she does, she is
49:07
Speaker 2: known as the people's princess. She gets labeled it, and
49:11
Speaker 2: so she wants it and she keeps chasing it, and
49:16
Speaker 2: she has to go do these royal tours because she's royal. Now,
49:21
Speaker 2: she has duties. Her maternity leave is over. She has
49:25
Speaker 2: to do what she needs to do, and so off
49:27
Speaker 2: she goes. She's supposed to go to Australia and New
49:29
Speaker 2: Zealand with Charles right, and so nineteen eighty three they're
49:33
Speaker 2: doing this tour and she brings William with her and
49:40
Speaker 2: she gets caught on camera crying. She's in tears because
49:48
Speaker 2: everywhere they go, everywhere they are, all eyes are on her,
49:55
Speaker 2: like she is being watched. She is being the center
50:02
Speaker 2: of attention, like people care more about hardly do about Charles,
50:06
Speaker 2: and that bothers him. So there's this extra strain on
50:10
Speaker 2: their marriage. She's still suffering postpartum because your brain, in
50:15
Speaker 2: your hormones, it takes several years for them to get
50:18
Speaker 2: back into any sort of like a normal alignment or
50:23
Speaker 2: what they should be, you know. And she is suffering
50:29
Speaker 2: from bolimia because you know, she has to look a
50:31
Speaker 2: certain way and she is struggling. All of this is
50:38
Speaker 2: just building and building and building, and she's struggling. But
50:43
Speaker 2: of course she's from a family of stiff upper lip
50:45
Speaker 2: where she has now I mean she probably was before
50:47
Speaker 2: as well. So like therapy again not a dune thing.
50:50
Speaker 2: How about maybe we just said people to therapy, I
50:53
Speaker 2: feel like could solve a lot of issues. So yeah,
50:57
Speaker 2: this popularity, Diane's popularity to just creates this wedge in
51:03
Speaker 2: the relationship between Charles and Diana, but not so much
51:08
Speaker 2: of a wedge that they don't have sex. So in
51:15
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, so the following year, Prince Harry is
51:19
Speaker 2: born fifteenth of September, and again they do the whole photo.
51:24
Speaker 2: It's a big thing. Now Charles and Diana, they're actually
51:31
Speaker 2: really close during this pregnancy. Now she actually knows the gender.
51:36
Speaker 2: She finds out, she finds that out, but she doesn't
51:38
Speaker 2: tell anybody because she's like secretly hoping it's going to
51:41
Speaker 2: be a girl, but it's not. It's a boy. And
51:46
Speaker 2: so they're really close and everything is going really well.
51:51
Speaker 2: And then after she gives birth, Charles comes in to
51:55
Speaker 2: you know, the delivery room or wherever she's is the
51:59
Speaker 2: Royal I know, like hospital room that she's in the
52:02
Speaker 2: private room and he basically goes grape an air and
52:07
Speaker 2: a spare like done. And this crushes her, Like they
52:17
Speaker 2: had been so close, things were going really well, and
52:19
Speaker 2: now they're just she's broken, and it's it's just I mean,
52:33
Speaker 2: being in this sort of situation where you're isolated from
52:36
Speaker 2: so many things and so many people that it just
52:42
Speaker 2: and then to just give birth and to have your
52:46
Speaker 2: husband say that to you, I mean, that's fucking soul destroying.
52:50
Speaker 2: It's absolutely crushing, like what is this? But Diana, Diana
52:57
Speaker 2: is if nothing else like she wants to be a
53:02
Speaker 2: good mother, Like she wants this, so she basically takes
53:06
Speaker 2: control when it comes to the boys. It's probably the
53:08
Speaker 2: only thing in her life she has control over. So
53:10
Speaker 2: like she dismisses the world nanny. She picks her own nanny.
53:14
Speaker 2: She takes them to school as much as she can,
53:17
Speaker 2: and she arranges her royal engagements around like them around
53:22
Speaker 2: their school timetables, all this stuff like that. So that's
53:26
Speaker 2: what she does. And then she is very aware that
53:31
Speaker 2: Charles is having an affair with him initially m but she,
53:36
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Camila. We know it's Kamila, but she
53:40
Speaker 2: knows that something's going on, but initially she doesn't know him.
53:43
Speaker 2: Now and Kimala's defense and I had to say this
53:47
Speaker 2: for once, but everyone says that Kimiala broke up their marriage,
53:51
Speaker 2: and I feel like this takes all the ownership away
53:54
Speaker 2: from Philip Philip Charles. But Charles entered her marriage right
54:01
Speaker 2: before she entered his, Like that's something we need to
54:04
Speaker 2: take into consideration, Like they were stoopid before sort of
54:09
Speaker 2: between him like founding Diana and after her getting married
54:16
Speaker 2: there was stuff going on, right, so he entered her
54:19
Speaker 2: marriage first, So I think Charles is the main issue here, right,
54:24
Speaker 2: and this is royalty, Like this is their way of
54:27
Speaker 2: doing it right. And I'm not saying it's right for
54:31
Speaker 2: anybody comes to me, right, But Diana was never trained
54:36
Speaker 2: to this, and nobody thought to like do anything. But
54:41
Speaker 2: it got to the point where they couldn't even pretend
54:46
Speaker 2: to be amicable. Like he starts having his affair and
54:52
Speaker 2: then like by nineteen eighty six, Diana starts stading Major
54:58
Speaker 2: James hewittt I say dating, I mean he would have well,
55:01
Speaker 2: she would have him snuck in like in the bit
55:05
Speaker 2: of a car so they could shack like so that
55:10
Speaker 2: was their former writing instructor, and and like people always
55:15
Speaker 2: say that, like Prince Harry looks like James Hewitt, but
55:18
Speaker 2: like Prince Harry looks like Prince Philip. Like you look
55:20
Speaker 2: at those day with beads, like that's those are related, right,
55:26
Speaker 2: And and so she's shack at him and then like
55:32
Speaker 2: there if your ends. So this affair lasted until nineteen ninety,
55:37
Speaker 2: but it was in nineteen eighty nine that Diana hosts
55:41
Speaker 2: like this birthday party for Kimilla's sister, and just Corners
55:48
Speaker 2: are in demands to know the truth about the affair,
55:51
Speaker 2: and the beans are spilled, right, So this affair ends
55:55
Speaker 2: with hewittt in nineteen ninety and basically straight away he
56:00
Speaker 2: tries to shop it to like the tabloids, but nobody
56:04
Speaker 2: is picking it up, like nobody, And it's not until
56:07
Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety four that anybody bothers to pay attention
56:10
Speaker 2: to it. But yeah, by the time the nineties are
56:15
Speaker 2: coming around, the Queen and Prince Philip try to get
56:21
Speaker 2: Diana and Charles to reconcile. They're just like, can you
56:25
Speaker 2: both just like shag who you want, do it privately,
56:28
Speaker 2: but have this like forward face, just be a face
56:32
Speaker 2: of the monarchy, just be there for your kids, do
56:34
Speaker 2: this whatever. And yeah, they try, but effectively. You know,
56:44
Speaker 2: it gets announced by the Parliament that they are getting
56:48
Speaker 2: divorced while they're separating and then divorcing, and then a
56:55
Speaker 2: book is released with all this information about Diana's you know, depression,
57:00
Speaker 2: her suicidal thoughts, you know, the extramarital affairs, all the
57:04
Speaker 2: stuff that's happening in their marriage. And now we don't
57:08
Speaker 2: find out until after Diana passes away. But she was involved.
57:12
Speaker 2: She did these recordings, she recorded these conversations. Now we're
57:17
Speaker 2: not entirely sure whether she knew she was doing it,
57:21
Speaker 2: whether this was like a hidden recording situation, but she yes,
57:26
Speaker 2: she said it. It was from the horse's mouth. But yeah,
57:29
Speaker 2: that's that's not good for anybody. So Diana starts doing interviews,
57:33
Speaker 2: and then Charles starts doing interviews because he's trying to
57:36
Speaker 2: back up, like all of these phone conversations are being released,
57:40
Speaker 2: which is the whole you know, I'm wanting to be
57:43
Speaker 2: Kimilla's tampon situation, and yes, I just remembered it, and
57:47
Speaker 2: there for you must also be burdened with its horrific knowledge.
57:51
Speaker 2: So they are having affairs, they are separating, they are
57:54
Speaker 2: here now, and so Diana getting much for a lot
58:02
Speaker 2: of people because because she definitely needs therapy and or medication.
58:09
Speaker 2: So she is seeing all over whores for a while,
58:13
Speaker 2: or at least she believes she's seeing all over hoores
58:16
Speaker 2: for a while, and so she starts harassing his wife.
58:23
Speaker 2: So she enters his marriage. Now now I feel like
58:28
Speaker 2: we maybe we maybe should be a bit more careful
58:30
Speaker 2: now because at this point, like she's already had affairs people,
58:36
Speaker 2: she's been seeing this person that person. But now now
58:40
Speaker 2: she's deliberately darting married men, which you know is a
58:44
Speaker 2: life choice, but you know what else is a life choice,
58:49
Speaker 2: phoning someone's wife three hundred times, over three hundred times.
58:55
Speaker 2: The police start investigating, and they realize that these phone calls,
59:00
Speaker 2: these harassing phone calls that this woman is getting, are
59:04
Speaker 2: coming from Princess Diana's residence. Like she's doing this. It's obsessive.
59:12
Speaker 2: That's not what healthy people do. I she forgot this. Actually,
59:15
Speaker 2: this was an interview with her sister, who says that
59:19
Speaker 2: at one point Diana was so desperate for Charles to
59:23
Speaker 2: just see her, to acknowledge her, that she grabs a
59:27
Speaker 2: letter open her and cuts herself in her chest because
59:32
Speaker 2: she wears a top that her sister Sarah can see,
59:34
Speaker 2: and she's like, Dutch, what the actual fuck? And she
59:39
Speaker 2: explains that she did it, and he just walked away. Now,
59:43
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on Prince Charles's side for
59:45
Speaker 2: anything that being said, but you know when they say
59:50
Speaker 2: to you, if your significant other, your partner, your relationship person,
59:57
Speaker 2: if they threaten or harm themselves in front of you,
1:00:01
Speaker 2: you should walk away like that is that is a
1:00:05
Speaker 2: manipulation tactic. That is a way to force you into
1:00:10
Speaker 2: bending to their will. Like that is not something saying
1:00:15
Speaker 2: people do, like like, this is a woman who clearly
1:00:19
Speaker 2: needed help, like on many levels, because you don't just
1:00:24
Speaker 2: stab yourself for attention like that is not a reasonable act,
1:00:30
Speaker 2: Like clearly, clearly this is a person who needs needs help.
1:00:36
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that justifies her behavior because I
1:00:38
Speaker 2: really think it doesn't, because I think there comes a
1:00:41
Speaker 2: point where it's learned behavior and you're doing things for
1:00:44
Speaker 2: attention like Diana. Diana is courting the press like she
1:00:52
Speaker 2: is because they're the only people giving her the attention
1:00:56
Speaker 2: she needs. So I've had people argue with me about Dana.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: I'll like, you're there and everywhere about like walking through
1:01:03
Speaker 2: mine's fields and doing things for ed patients, holding their
1:01:07
Speaker 2: hands and whatnot, which I'm not denying very good photo ops,
1:01:14
Speaker 2: very good thing to do, but they're photo ops, right,
1:01:18
Speaker 2: because there is no way that this woman would have
1:01:22
Speaker 2: done any of those things if it was unsafe, like
1:01:26
Speaker 2: those those would have had sweeps done. She would have
1:01:30
Speaker 2: had medical professionals, you know, assuring her like the disease
1:01:35
Speaker 2: is passed through blood, right, she removed a stigma, Yes,
1:01:40
Speaker 2: abs fucking lutely not going to deny that. But it
1:01:44
Speaker 2: wasn't altruistic and I wish it was, but everything has
1:01:52
Speaker 2: led up to it. Like the reason she did the
1:01:54
Speaker 2: big TV interview was so people would listen to her
1:01:58
Speaker 2: and not just to believe her, but because she wanted
1:02:02
Speaker 2: this sympathy. She wanted to win. The way that she
1:02:06
Speaker 2: looks down and looks up through her eyelashes, it's rehearsed,
1:02:10
Speaker 2: like everything about it is a performance back to the
1:02:16
Speaker 2: you know, the aid work and stuff. Like the Royal
1:02:19
Speaker 2: family was fucking pessed because she was doing something and
1:02:23
Speaker 2: showing compassion, which is something the Royal family weren't very
1:02:27
Speaker 2: good at, Like they always delayed their responses, but she
1:02:30
Speaker 2: was out doing things which really stuck it to them.
1:02:33
Speaker 2: And I think there was a wee bit of spite
1:02:35
Speaker 2: there and I feel like she was fine with that.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: But one thing we know for sure about Diana is
1:02:44
Speaker 2: she loved her boys. She loved them. She wouldn't risk
1:02:49
Speaker 2: them if she thought that there was a chance that
1:02:53
Speaker 2: she would not love to be with her children, Like
1:02:57
Speaker 2: that's not a line she would cross. She was sure. Again,
1:03:02
Speaker 2: I am not like, I'm not denouncing the stuff she
1:03:06
Speaker 2: did right, But I think we have to understand that
1:03:08
Speaker 2: people are multifaceted, and sometimes they don't do things just
1:03:12
Speaker 2: for the greater good, no matter how much we want
1:03:16
Speaker 2: them to. And good people can do shitty things, and
1:03:19
Speaker 2: shitty people can do good things, and sometimes people can
1:03:23
Speaker 2: be good but also still a little bit shitty, and
1:03:26
Speaker 2: we're just gonna have to accept that as part of life. Like,
1:03:29
Speaker 2: she's not a fucking angel. Okay, she's not a martyr.
1:03:34
Speaker 2: She's not glowing beacon of I don't know idolatry. No. No,
1:03:41
Speaker 2: she was a human and she did stuff right like
1:03:45
Speaker 2: everybody else to talk about just a human who did stuff.
1:03:50
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, she can hold an aid's patient's hand,
1:03:54
Speaker 2: but she can also harass somebody's wife, right the man
1:04:02
Speaker 2: she's having an affair with or had an affair with.
1:04:05
Speaker 2: Nor only did she enter her marriage, but now she's
1:04:08
Speaker 2: deliberately harassing his wife. And she pushed a woman down
1:04:12
Speaker 2: some stairs and like Diana and the taj Mahal. So okay,
1:04:18
Speaker 2: one last thing about the relationship with Charles, So he'd
1:04:22
Speaker 2: always said he would bring like his wife, the lover's
1:04:24
Speaker 2: life to the taj Mahal. So if you don't know
1:04:27
Speaker 2: the taj Mahal was built as a shrine to like
1:04:31
Speaker 2: this dude's favorite wife. If you're like, maybe treat her
1:04:35
Speaker 2: better when she's alive and not just build a monument
1:04:37
Speaker 2: to her when she's dead, because that does not seem
1:04:39
Speaker 2: like the greatest act of love to me. I'm just saying,
1:04:42
Speaker 2: just put now there, treat them will when they're loving.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: But yeah, Diana ends up in front of the taj
1:04:49
Speaker 2: Mahal and she gets her photo taken as she sits
1:04:52
Speaker 2: alone in front of it, which again to me, feels
1:04:57
Speaker 2: like a very deliberate move. I'm just saying so. But again,
1:05:02
Speaker 2: people are multifaceard. So she does this panorama interview and
1:05:08
Speaker 2: talks about the affairs and everything else. There are always
1:05:11
Speaker 2: three of us in this marriage, so on and so forth.
1:05:13
Speaker 2: And that's the point where Liz Queen Liz lilybit She's like,
1:05:18
Speaker 2: met Charles, Diana, get a fucking divorce, Like you were
1:05:23
Speaker 2: causing too much upset for the royal family here. You
1:05:26
Speaker 2: need to get a divorce like done, end of finished,
1:05:31
Speaker 2: And so yes, they have to get a divorce. This
1:05:35
Speaker 2: is like my least funny episode. I think I've done
1:05:37
Speaker 2: just because there's so much mental health issues in it
1:05:40
Speaker 2: and I just realized that and I'm sorry, but like,
1:05:43
Speaker 2: oh this is this is not a funny episode. Oh geez.
1:05:47
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah. And so nineteen ninety six, they get
1:05:53
Speaker 2: divorced and Diana gets a pretty sweet settlement, right, She
1:05:57
Speaker 2: basically retains custody, like she could those custody of the
1:06:00
Speaker 2: boys if she you know, if they pushed she didn't.
1:06:04
Speaker 2: She gets like this massive money settlement. She gets like
1:06:09
Speaker 2: she's rich, She's like super rich, she's like extra super rich.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: She's fine. She has her own like like floor at
1:06:18
Speaker 2: Kensington Palace because that's where they're like nurseries and stuff.
1:06:22
Speaker 2: So she gets that, like she gets all of this
1:06:25
Speaker 2: stuff in the divorce and during this time as well,
1:06:29
Speaker 2: I think she's daring, or she's trying to dare. At
1:06:32
Speaker 2: least this doctor has nick Can and they're together and
1:06:41
Speaker 2: she she loves him. But whether the relationship is physical
1:06:46
Speaker 2: or not, not sure, but she really adores us man,
1:06:49
Speaker 2: and things just don't work out for them, just just doesn't.
1:06:55
Speaker 2: Because she is Diana, Princess of Wales, and she is
1:07:01
Speaker 2: I mean, she's one of the most photographed women on
1:07:03
Speaker 2: the planet and He doesn't want this big public life.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: He just wants to be a lung surgeon, you know,
1:07:10
Speaker 2: and just save people and do the surgeries and love
1:07:14
Speaker 2: is life. He doesn't want it on display. Oh my god,
1:07:18
Speaker 2: I almost forgot to mention the Revenge dress. Okay, So
1:07:23
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four, there's this tail old documentary coming
1:07:27
Speaker 2: up by Prince Charles. It's meant to be like has
1:07:31
Speaker 2: had to put it, has sided the story to be
1:07:33
Speaker 2: more sympathetic to like him, and Diana that very night
1:07:38
Speaker 2: decides she's going to go to a vanity fair party.
1:07:41
Speaker 2: And so she shows up and she's wearing this dress
1:07:45
Speaker 2: and she's supposed to wear Chanel, but she refuses to
1:07:47
Speaker 2: wear Shanelle because of the interlocking seats right for Charles
1:07:51
Speaker 2: and Camilla, And so she is supposed to be wearing
1:07:57
Speaker 2: this collar on this dress and supposed to be a
1:08:00
Speaker 2: little bit more covered up, but she rips it out
1:08:03
Speaker 2: of the dress, right, and so it's this black, slinky,
1:08:08
Speaker 2: just gorgeous piece. And she shows up. She's photographed in
1:08:13
Speaker 2: it because everyone knows this documentary is coming out, right,
1:08:16
Speaker 2: and there she is showing up. She is fit, she
1:08:20
Speaker 2: is stylish, she is a fashion icon, which she was,
1:08:24
Speaker 2: which I've rarely spoken about in this entire episode, but
1:08:27
Speaker 2: there's so much information. Ah, but yeah, she is just
1:08:32
Speaker 2: killing it. After this, Diana starts dating Dorrie Alphayed and
1:08:37
Speaker 2: they have a decent relationship, but she's planning on ending things.
1:08:43
Speaker 2: And I have brought this up on more than one occasion,
1:08:45
Speaker 2: but like I go into detail and to great depth.
1:08:49
Speaker 2: There's an episode on the Paris crash in the podcast.
1:08:55
Speaker 2: I can't remember what episode is, but it's there. And
1:08:59
Speaker 2: she wasn't supposed to spend time with Doi, like they
1:09:03
Speaker 2: weren't supposed to be anywhere. She wasn't supposed to be
1:09:06
Speaker 2: on a yacht, they weren't supposed to stop off in Paris.
1:09:10
Speaker 2: Like it was all last minute, and it was all
1:09:12
Speaker 2: Dorrie's idea, Like it wasn't ended to her because she
1:09:15
Speaker 2: was always planning to get back to England because the
1:09:19
Speaker 2: boys were about to start school and she was always
1:09:22
Speaker 2: planning on going back, And she was supposed to hang
1:09:25
Speaker 2: out with a friend, but a friend broke her leg
1:09:27
Speaker 2: and then they did on a skiing trip. Actually, so
1:09:32
Speaker 2: M feel circle. But yeah, this this wasn't supposed to happen,
1:09:37
Speaker 2: and you know she was in England and she you know,
1:09:41
Speaker 2: known for stairs. I feel like if the royal family
1:09:44
Speaker 2: wanted to end her life, there were easier ways to
1:09:47
Speaker 2: do it. You know, she walked through minefields, she filled
1:09:51
Speaker 2: down a flight of stairs. You know, many options, many
1:09:56
Speaker 2: reasonable and feasible options. But instead people have this great
1:10:02
Speaker 2: public conspiracy. But no, it's not, it's not it it's
1:10:07
Speaker 2: just and I know people like to bring up the
1:10:09
Speaker 2: fact that she wrote in her diary that she thought
1:10:11
Speaker 2: her husband would kill her in a car crash. But
1:10:15
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know the nineties very well,
1:10:18
Speaker 2: but that was like a common trope, like the husband
1:10:21
Speaker 2: will cut the brake lines like that was a common
1:10:24
Speaker 2: trope in like TV shows, movies, books, like it was everywhere.
1:10:29
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I saw an episode of murder she
1:10:31
Speaker 2: wrote with it and like so like during her life
1:10:35
Speaker 2: as a royal, there wasn't a lot to do, Like
1:10:38
Speaker 2: there is not a lot to do, you know, there
1:10:41
Speaker 2: aren't options. You can't get a job because you know,
1:10:44
Speaker 2: you're part of the crown. So she starts getting involved
1:10:48
Speaker 2: in these charities. Now there is this wee rimor and
1:10:52
Speaker 2: I find this quite interesting, and it's that Diana she
1:10:57
Speaker 2: started this affair with Dodi anyway, just to just to
1:11:02
Speaker 2: rile up doctor Can, like she wanted to sort of
1:11:07
Speaker 2: fan the flames, weep it and be like, look what
1:11:09
Speaker 2: you're missing, And then that's what that's about. She wasn't
1:11:13
Speaker 2: supposed to be there. It wasn't supposed to happen. Like,
1:11:15
Speaker 2: none of it makes any sense, but tragedy really does.
1:11:21
Speaker 2: And on the thirty first of August nineteen ninety seven, Diana,
1:11:24
Speaker 2: Princess of Wales loses her life in Paris after a
1:11:30
Speaker 2: tragic accidental car accident. I say accident manslaughter by paparazzi.
1:11:37
Speaker 2: If the blame is going to go onto anyone. If
1:11:40
Speaker 2: you want to know more details about the crash and
1:11:42
Speaker 2: things like that, there, I have a full episode on it.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: I am not going to go into that here. It's
1:11:47
Speaker 2: too much. It's too much. And so that's the end
1:11:53
Speaker 2: of the story of Diana, Princess of Wales. His legacy
1:11:58
Speaker 2: now lives on through her charities, her children, and of
1:12:03
Speaker 2: course Reuben Kay's hairstyle. Now, if you don't want to
1:12:07
Speaker 2: burn me at the stake after this episode, feel afraid
1:12:09
Speaker 2: of written review five stars. I'm gonna have so many
1:12:12
Speaker 2: one star reviews. I can just sense it in my bones.
1:12:15
Speaker 2: Oh dear Lord, I can feel it. Ah oh okay,
1:12:21
Speaker 2: But I also want to tell anybody if you need help,
1:12:26
Speaker 2: if you feel that you are either being like emotionally abused,
1:12:33
Speaker 2: or if you feel you might be acting in those ways,
1:12:37
Speaker 2: or you're feeling these dark thoughts, please please talk to someone,
1:12:42
Speaker 2: even if you have to DM me. And I am
1:12:44
Speaker 2: not a licensed professional, and I am mainly sarcasm and
1:12:50
Speaker 2: terrible memes like I have no other skills apart from
1:12:54
Speaker 2: telling you weird history facts. But the Samaritans Goodness Crisis,
1:13:03
Speaker 2: just there are so many charities and and hotlines to
1:13:10
Speaker 2: talk to. I would absolutely just reach out. Okay, you
1:13:17
Speaker 2: deserve to not be treated or feel this way, and
1:13:24
Speaker 2: so it is recommendation time, I guess. Okay. So for reading,
1:13:31
Speaker 2: I am going to suggest the Princess Diarist by Carrie Fisher. Watching,
1:13:39
Speaker 2: I'm going to suggest you watch How to Catch a
1:13:42
Speaker 2: Thief starring Grace Kelly, Princess of Monaco. And for listening,
1:13:49
Speaker 2: and for listening, I'm going to recommend Amanda Matta's podcast
1:13:54
Speaker 2: The Art of History. And with that, I am very tired.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: It is oh. While that is morning time now, okay,
1:14:03
Speaker 2: I am gonna bet you good night, Adios au revoir
1:14:07
Speaker 2: or what is that? My friends? Bye bye,