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Sarah Kellen, the NPA, and the Line Between Abuse and Participation (5/21/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. As Congress continues to make their way through
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the depositions. Today, we're gonna hear from Sarah Kelln Vickers, who,
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as you know, was mentioned numerous times during the Glenn
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Maxwell trial in court documents and by survivors themselves as
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somebody who took part in the abuse. Well, now, according
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to Sarah Kellen and her lawyers, she was just another
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victim of Jeffrey Epstein. The problem for Sarah Kelln Vickers
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is that the historical facts don't quite match up with
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the narrative they're trying to palm because if Sarah Kelln
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Vickers was this gigantic victim that she says she was,
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why didn't she go to the authorities after Epstein was
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arrested the first time? Why didn't she cut ties with them?
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Why is she hidden behind that non prosecution agreement? Well,
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according to her, she didn't even know she was part
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of it. And again, I have my doubts when you're
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an adult and you're in a situation like Sarah Kelln
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Vickers was, and say you're being coerced, say you're being threatened,
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and then that person goes to jail or prison, and
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you still don't come forward. And not only that, but
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you continue to have relations with the man and you
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continue to be his friend. But now that the spotlight
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has turned to you, all of a sudden, you're some
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big victim. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Today's
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article was published by MSN dot com and the headline
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set to appear before congress An Epstein potential co conspirator,
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says she too was a victim. Well cool, maybe Sammy
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the Bull Gravano could just tell the court. Look, I'm
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a victim. I didn't do any of this on my own.
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I was forced to do it all lifestyle and shit,
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you know I grew up in this. How ridiculous would
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that be? And look, I'm not saying that Epstein didn't
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manipulate Sarah Kelln. He most certainly did, but she had
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agency as an adult, especially after he was removed from
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the equation. This article was authored by Lisa Rubin, one
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of the four women named as potential co conspirator, and
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Jeffrey Epstein's sweetheart deal with federal prosecutors is breaking her
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silence to tell the world that she is also a
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survivor of his abuse, and that she believes law enforcement
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ultimately came to see her as a victim. Well that's
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your narrative, but the documentation has you down as a
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co conspirator. Are you willing to give up the protection
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that that NPA gives you. Let's see you put your
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money where your mouth is. All this talk about, Oh,
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I'm innocent, I had nothing to do with it. Cool,
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Wave your right to that NPA. Then you didn't want
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it right, You had no idea you were getting it right.
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Wave it. Sarah Kellen, who was employed by Epstein as
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a personal assistant for more than a decade starting in
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two thousand and one, has come forward on the eve
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of her appearance Thursday before the House Oversight Committee for
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a closed door transcribed interview. In interviews with federal and
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state law enforcement, as well as other public documents, including
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civil lawsuits, survivors of Epstein and Blenn Maxwell have alleged
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Kellen handled some of the logistics that enabled Epstein and
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his abuse, including calling his minor victims to make arrangements
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for massages, escorting them to Epstein's bedroom, and encouraging them
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to bring friends. Oh yeah, not a co conspirator, just
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a regular old girl, you know, just doing what she
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has to do to get by. Look. I don't believe
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Sarah Kellen Vicker's narrative. I don't believe what she's saying,
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and I don't believe she gives a damn about any
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of the survivors. If she did, she would have came
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forward earlier. The only reason she wants to talk now
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is because she has to. And you notice the difference
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between her and Naudia. Naudia spoke to the police right
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away twenty nineteen. Shit went down. Okay, let's cooperate. And again, look,
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I'm not saying Naudia shouldn't have some kind of punishment.
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She probably should, But I think it is a step
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too far to try and paint Sarah Kelln Vickers as
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some kind of victim. Was she victimized by Epstein? Probably?
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Is she a victim in the same category as the survivors?
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Absolutely not. Let me ask you a question. How many
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survivors ended up with a Nascar husband? How many of
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them ended up with a life that Sarah Kelln Vickers had,
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And how do you think she got that life? That's
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right through Jeffrey Epstein and at least some Epstein survivors
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remain angry about Kellen's role. I could tell you right
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now if Virginia was with us, she would not be
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happy about this kind of talk. I promise you not
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exactly the biggest fan of Sarah Kelln Vickers. Earlier this year,
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Epstein's survivor Teresa Helm pull a British media outlet that
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Kellen groomed her for abuse and that she's still unconvinced
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that Kellen didn't know what she was doing. Kellen's lawyers
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say Kellen never met Teresa Helm. Oh, well, I guess
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I have to just believe whatever Sarah Kellen says. Huh, sorry,
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not gonna happen. Kellen and her lawyers have insisted, however,
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that to the extent that she was involved in Epstein's web,
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it was part and parcel of how Epstein sexually and
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psychologically abused her for more than a decade. They said
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that Kellen is no differently situated than other survivors of
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Epstein's decades long predation of women and girls. Oh, they're
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going to take offense to that. So Sarah Kellen Vickers
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is no different than the fourteen year old girl who
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she led to Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom. That is quite the leap.
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And while they might find some allies in Congress, I
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don't think the American public's going to be very receptive
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to that kind of shit. I have no doubt that
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there are countless women currently trapped in similar situations that
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could be helped by hearing my story. Kellen told MS. Now,
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oh convenient, now that you're on the dock, now that
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you're being forced into talking. How come you didn't come
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forward before. Why didn't you come and talk to the
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jury at the Glenn Maxwell trial. Why didn't you volunteer
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any information that's right? Because, in my opinion, you're a
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part of it. Kellen's lawyers said that while New York
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federal prosecutors investigated Kellen and initially sought to have her
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plead guilty to witness tampering, they came to understand that
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Kellen was victimized by Epstein and decided against prosecuting her. No,
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they were controlling the bomb radius. Come on, stop of
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the bullshit. It's amazing how many people still don't understand
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what happened here. Aside from brief comments to the Sun
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in twenty twenty Kellen has avoided the press, but she
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and her lawyers said they now want the public to
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understand how Epstein transformed her life not only through years
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of abuse, but also as including her as his potential
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co conspirator in a two thousand and seven non prosecution agreement.
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That is absolute bullshit. She could have went to the
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court and said, I want nothing to do with this.
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What are you talking about. I'm not part of this.
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I'm not some co co conspirator. She didn't do that, though,
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right because she wanted to be protected because she knew
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she was part of it. I feel like Kellen and
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her lawyers are trying to emotionally manipulate the situation, and
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I'm not falling for it. That agreement was a critical
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piece of Epstein's so called sweetheart deal, which resulted in
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Epstein pleading guilty to two state prostitution related crimes, serving
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fewer than thirteen months in jail, including work release time,
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and registering as a sex offender in New York. Kellen's
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lawyers told ms Now that Kellen was not consulted prior
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to her inclusion in the agreement, nor did she learn
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about it until after it was executed. That's a lie.
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I don't believe that. I'm sorry, I just don't believe it.
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They said, the non prosecution agreement nearly destroyed Kellen's life
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by betraying her as complicit in his sexual abuse in trafficking.
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As a result, they said, Kellen has endured nearly twenty
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years of harassment and threats to this day. Oh, please
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give me a break. What about those little girls from
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Ukraine or that Via or Estonia or Peru or Brazil
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that you led into Jeffrey Epstein's room, or that you
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called to have come over for a massage. Play that
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sympathy card with somebody else. I'm not buying it. All
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of my sympathy has been used up for the survivors.
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Included in the three million plus pages the Justice Departments
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published in response to the Epstein File Transparency Act is
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correspondence between and among Florida federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers
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about resolving the federal investigation. Well, except for one year's
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worth of emails from mister Acosta himself. And isn't that
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just a gigantic coincidence? Huh? Thousands of emails related to
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Epstein just disappear. Oh, okay, okay, I guess you know.
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Stop with the conspiracy theories. Guys, everything's okay here. There's
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no fire in the building. Prosecutors even considered charges against
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Epstein based on his conduct toward Kellen, According to people
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familiar with the investigation. Mid September, draft plead documents published
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by the DOJ in a redactive form reflect a proposed
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charge against Epstein for assaulting Kellen on an airplane around
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two thousand and five. By the next afternoon, however, the
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lead prosecutor on the case, then Assistant US Attorney and
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Marie Villafuna, told a lawyer for Epstein she had received
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some negative reaction to charging Epstein with assaulting Kelling since
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she is considered one of the main perpetrators of the
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offenses that we planned to charge in the indictment. Yeah, no, shit.
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You can be two things at once. You can be
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abused and an abuser. That doesn't give you providence, that
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doesn't give you a pass. You're an adult. You're in
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charge of your own behavior, your own actions. Stop it.
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The next day, Epstein's lawyer, Jay Lefkowitz, first suggested protecting
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foreigna and potential co conspirators, including Kellen from prosecution for
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any criminal charges that arise out of the ongoing federal investigation.
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So long as Epstein himself fulfilled all of his own
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responsibilities under the agreement, being bang boom, that agreement is
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null and void. He didn't fulfill any of his responsibilities none.
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So let's get rid of the NPA and let's see
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what Sarah Kelln Vickers has to say. Then. The non
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prosecution Agreement was signed by Epstein and his council on
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September twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. Gone was any
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conception of Kellen as a victim of that Stein, despite
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prosecutors consideration of her as exactly that just days prior consideration, Okay,
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and after considering it, they decided to go a different way.
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So that seems like a pretty unstable ledge to stand upon. Instead,
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the agreement contained a provision that echoed the first proposal
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by Lefkowitz. In exchange for Epstein's guilty plea and his
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providing compensation to agreed upon victims, the US Attorney's Office
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for the Southern District of Florida agreed it would not
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institute any criminal charges against any potential co conspirators of Epstein,
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including Kellen and three other named women. In other words,
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the agreement tied Kellen's fate to Epstein's. She would only
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be saved from prosecution if he kept up his end
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of the bargain. Well, she did nothing wrong. Why would
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she be worried about prosecution? A bunch of dumb dumbs?
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Kellen's lawyer said that she was neither notified nor consulted
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before the agreements execution. I don't believe that. Sorry, And
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if that's the case, well you better talk to the DOJ.
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Isn't that what we're here for in the first place,
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to see how they fucked up? Well, get to yappin left.
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Kuwitz did not respond to ms now's request for comment
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about the plea agreement proposal. Kellen said everything she knew
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about the investigation and Epstein' sweetheart deal was controlled and
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manipulated by him, much as herself had been. Kellen said
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that she understood there was an investigation as of the
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mid two thousands, but that Epstein told her and had
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arisen after extortion attempts by girls who had lied to
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them about their ages and weren't cahoots with the plaintiff's lawyers.
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One of the lawyers for the plaintiffs at the time,
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Brad Edwards is now among Kellen's lawyers. Wow, what a
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clown show. Way to go, big, Brad. So Brad Edwards
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has proven himself well, you know, just like the rest
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of them. Anyway to get that pay day ham Brad
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on the other side of the aisle. Gross And while
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she said she understood at the time that Epstein had
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made a deal of some sort that resulted in his
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plea in jail time, she does not recall learning any
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specifics of that deal until after the ink was dry.
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It was not until roughly two years later when the
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agreement's existence and terms were first publicly reported that Kellen
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said she learned that Epstein's agreement referenced and labeled her,
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but she still did not comprehend how it would impact
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her for decades to come. Kellen told ms Now the
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agreement not only created a false narrative about her, but
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it also frustrated her ability to correct that narrative while
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Epstein was still alive. It literally put a muzzle on us.
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It made us a target, and it made us impossible
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for us to speak. She said, oh, please, no, it
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didn't and even if there was an nda Epstein's dead,
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why didn't you speak out when he first died? None
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of her story makes sense. I'm sorry, I'm not buying
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it now. That said, I'm not telling anybody else what
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to think. If you think that Sarah Kelln Vickers is
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worthy of, you know, empathy, great cool Me personally, I
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don't believe that. And that's after years and years of
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listening to people tell me about Sarah Kellen Vickers. And
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I'm not talking about reading articles. I'm talking about telling
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me personally. More than a decade later, in twenty twenty,
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renewed interest in Epstein's Florida deal led to a DOJ
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investigation of potential attorney misconduct by Villa Fauna, then US
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Attorney Alex Acosta, and others. At the time, Villa Fauna
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told the DOJ's Office of Professional Responsibility that she agreed
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to include that provision because her office considered Epstein to
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be the top of the food chain, and we wouldn't
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have been interested in prosecuting anyone else. Well, that's how
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it usually works when you're in a criminal organization. You
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go after the people on the bottom wrong, and then
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you turn them. You flip them, and they ride on Epstein.
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They didn't even bother doing that. Ask yourself why the
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three hundred plus page OPR report does not reflect, however,
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why none of the federal prosecutor is involved, apparently pressed
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to speak with Kellen before naming her in Epstein's agreement
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part of the cover up? Are you guys not paying attention? Like,
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I know, there's a lot of other things going on
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in the world, a lot of shiny objects, but it's
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rather obvious what was going on here. And it's rather
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obvious that the NPA from the very beginning, was built
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to keep all of this quiet so people can focus
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on all the other bullshit they could talk about, Oh well,
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Epstein was not this gigantic human trafficker. But do you
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notice those people, They never want to have these conversations.
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They never want to talk about what the government did.
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They never want to talk about what the government didn't do,
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and they never want to talk about the fact that
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Jeffrey Epstein was protected and helped every step of the way.
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So they focus on the salacious nonsense. There's no cannibals,
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there's no evidence of so and so, at the same time,
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ignoring all the evidence that's been provided. The report also
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sheds no light on why prosecutors were comfortable labeling Kellen
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as a potential co conspirator, especially given their knowledge that
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Epstein had physically assaulted her, without ensuring that the woman
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had the opportunity to speak with the federal law enforcement
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about their own experiences. Oh give me a break, and
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do we have any proof that Epstein assaulted her besides
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her word? Why didn't she come forward? Isn't that the
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game we play? Right? Well, we don't know if she's
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a real victim. That's how the game is played by
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Epstein's friends. Right, Well, have a little taste of your
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own pie. But DJ documents now show that at least
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one effort by law enforcement to talk to Kellen apparently
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was thwarted by Epstein. Like, that's a problem into itself.
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How was it that the FBI could be thwarted by Epstein? Oh,
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that's right, he was protected. Kellen told ms Now that
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around two thousand and seven, she and another woman were
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with Epstein at an airport in Saying Thomas when a
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baggage handler approached and said the FBI wanted to speak
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with the women. Epstein went to talk to them, she recalled,
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and when he returned roughly ten minutes later, he said,
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only let's go. If they had orders to talk to us,
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how was Jeffrey allowed to speak to them on our behalf?
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Kellen asked, I don't know, Sarah. How come you didn't
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come out and speak to anybody in the aftermath when
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Epstein was arrested. How come you haven't come out and
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told anybody about what you know? Don't say the non
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prosecution agreement that gives you protection, it's not the other
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way around. It doesn't muzzle you. You're protected from whatever
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crimes were committed in Florida while working with Epstein. That's
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just the truth of the matter. That's what the NBA does.
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And if you want to show us you're serious, why
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don't you tell the Congress today that you want to
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rescind the protection under that order. If she does that,
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maybe I'll reevaluate my opinion. Have a funny feeling though
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she's not going to do it. Documents produced by the
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DOJ seemed to back this up. Not only did Kellen
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tell prosecutors about the incident at their first meeting in
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twenty nineteen, but a memo prepared by an unnamed federal
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law enforcement agent reflects that in late August two thousand
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and seven, weeks before Epstein signed the non prosecution agreement,
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that agent rushed to the airport and Say Thomas, where
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Epstein's jet was about to take off, in an attempt
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to serve target letters to two unnamed females he expected
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would be traveling with them. According to the document, the
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agent was advised by Customs and Border Patrol personnel who
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were present that Epstein was traveling alone, and her lawyers
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told ms NOW that Kellen never received that target letter. Well,
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that's quite possible. We all know Epstein was running a
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gigantic immigration scam, so who exactly in Borders and Customs
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was helping them with that. It was not until July sixth,
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twenty nineteen, the day of Epstein's arrest, that Kellen was
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personally approached by the FBI for the first time. Okay, great,
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why didn't you come forward on your own? That's the
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key question here. Documents indicate that agents told Kellen Epstein
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had been arrested and that they wanted to interview her.
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When Kellen responded that you preferred to do so with
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her lawyers present, she was served with a grand Jerry subpoena.
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She and her lawyers met with prosecutors in the FBI
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for the first time that November, and their conversations continued
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the next month. Documents released by the DOJ revealed that
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during one of these meetings, Kellen described to prosecutors how
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Epstein not only sexually abused her pretty often, but he
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also aggressively raped her on one occasion. And look, I'm
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not going to downplay that. Like I said earlier, two
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things can be right at once. Sarah Kellen Vickers can
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be vile for her own role in this, but that
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doesn't mean that she wasn't preyed upon by Epstein. I
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completely believe that he preyed on everybody in his orbit.
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Nobody was off limits. But that's not the issue at hand.
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The issue at hand is that Sarah Kellen Vickers was
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an adult herself, and she did nothing to stop this.
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She didn't contact nobody, she didn't go under cover, she
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didn't call the police. Nothing. In recent years, however, the
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lawyers believe law enforcement's understanding of Kellen has evolved. The
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recent DJ release includes documents indicating that in twenty twenty,
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Manhattan Federal prosecutors initially considered charging Kellen criminally and even
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thought to have her plead guilty to witness tampering. Kellen
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and her legal team held firm, telling prosecutors in a
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now public twenty twenty email that a non prosecution agreement
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for her was deserved given Kellen's abuse and given the
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fact that we see her basically as a cog in
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Epstein's will, acting entirely at his direction and doing what
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she did at a time that she herself was very
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vulnerable victim. So is Glenn Maxwell a victim? Because if
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Sarah Kellen Vickers is a victim, then should Maxwell use
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that same argument? Quite the slippery slope, isn't it. They
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also disputed and now another public email, that Kellen was
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present when certain survivor witnesses were sexually assaulted, while acknowledging
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that Kellen does not doubt Epstein abuse these women as
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he did with almost all young women and girls he
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came into contact with. She was calling high school girls
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to come to Epstein's house. I'm not buying her bullshit.
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I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Her lawyer said that
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those prosecutors ultimately inform them of their decision not to
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charge Kellen criminally after Sarah was able to disclose her
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abuse at Epstein's hands, prosecutors recognized her as a victim
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and declined to prosecute. Kathleen Cassidy, who represented Kellen at
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the time and continues to be part of her legal team,
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told ms NOW her legal team how many lawyers does
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she need? Yo? This whole thing stinks, and the fact
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that Brad Edwards is working with her stinks even more.
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Kellen still wonders what life might have been like for
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the last twenty years if she had not been named
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a potential co conspirator in two thousand and seven. While
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Epstein himself largely evaded accountability. Oh yeah, her life was
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so rough. She married a NASCAR driver, was a millionaire,
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had a bunch of houses all over the place, big
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time interior designer, big victim. I want to start turning
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some of the pain and trauma into something good that
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can help others and bring awareness to this important topic.
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She said, YO, this is not going to hit well
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with some of the survivors. And I'll say it again,
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She's lucky Virginia's not around for this nonsense. She said
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that she started seeing a therapist experienced in treating survivors
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as sexual abuse, including several Epstein survivors, through a trauma
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informed Lens, I've been on a deep healing journey in
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the past seven years come to terms with my own
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abuse and manipulation. Meanwhile, let me reiterate, she was a
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millionaire living it up, and at no point did she
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ever come forward, not until it became an issue again, right,
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not until she was getting called out. So she's sorry
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or sorry that we know. She said that with the
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help of therapy, she now identifies as a survivor and
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has privately repaired and restored a relationship with some of
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Epstein's then minor victims. One survivor, Danny Benski, recently told
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ms now that Kellen's situation is complicated. When you're victimized
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and then you're put in a position where you're manipulated
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to recruit, that's a very sticky, complex situation. People really
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need to understand what sex trafficking is and what it
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looks like. She said, it really is like a pyramid scheme. Yeah,
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if you're a kid and you're brought in. Once you're
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an adult, that goes away and I'm sorry, but that's
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just the way it goes. I really just hope that
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she says everything she knows. She said, I think you
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know that she saw a lot. Well that's an understatement,
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but my opinion is she's had all these years to
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come forward and she didn't do it. But now that
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the spotlight is burning and it's on her, well she's
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coming forward, but not to own what happened, but to
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claim that she was also victimized, and considering everything we know,
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I just have a hard time believing that. So we'll
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have to wait until we see the transcripts, obviously to
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see what she has to say. And then after we
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have the transcripts and we take a look for ourselves,
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we'll have an after action report about what went down.
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But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
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