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Nach Yomi (A Very Kosher Episode) · Mom Wars

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Speaker 1: From the front lines of the mom Wars.
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Speaker 2: Here's Bethany Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to another episode of one of your
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Speaker 3: favorite podcasts. I am your co host Bethany Mandel, and
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Speaker 3: I have unilaterally decided that my co host maternity leave
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Speaker 3: is going to come to an end very soon because
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Speaker 3: I miss her very much. But in the meantime, I
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Speaker 3: am joined by a wonderful guest, doctor Adina Schmidman. She
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Speaker 3: is the director of the OU Women's Initiative. The OU,
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Speaker 3: for those of you unfamiliar, is the Orthodox Union. It's
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Speaker 3: the Orthodox I don't know, how would you describe the OU? Actually,
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Speaker 3: that's a very good opening question.
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Speaker 4: And that is a great opening question. So historically it
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Speaker 4: was started as a union of synagogues in eighteen ninety four. Wow,
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Speaker 4: one hundred and six. Does that make one hundred and
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Speaker 4: twenty six years old? Don't catch me on the math.
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Speaker 4: Eighteen ninety eight. I think eighteen ninety eight. It's one
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty six years old. In nineteen twenty three,
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Speaker 4: this is a point of great pride. The women said,
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Speaker 4: now that food is being produced in an automated way,
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Speaker 4: how are we going to assure that food is kosher
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Speaker 4: that's being produced in factories. It's not like we can
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Speaker 4: go into the local you know, deli or pickle man
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Speaker 4: and ask him, you know, what he put into his
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Speaker 4: pickles anyhow, And they started OU Kosher. So many people
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Speaker 4: are familiar with the Orthodox Union or the OU from
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Speaker 4: the food that they eat.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people don't even realize it.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a trademark symbol.
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Speaker 4: That is that is correct, even though the OU's symbol
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Speaker 4: is trademarked. But yes, they do think like it's an
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Speaker 4: O R, you know, they see the OU, But the
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Speaker 4: OU is so much more. There's college campus programming, youth programming,
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Speaker 4: special needs children programming, and there is a department for
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Speaker 4: women's programming, and that department started in November twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: November twenty seventeen. Okay, So I was just trying to
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Speaker 3: look for a very fascinating book on the history of
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Speaker 3: kosher in America. Are you familiar with this book? I
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Speaker 3: read it a long long time ago. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: put it in the show notes, but it kind of
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Speaker 3: gets into the history of the OU. But if folks
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Speaker 3: are interested, if this is like you know something that
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Speaker 3: you're like, what the symbol is on all of my food?
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Speaker 3: It's you with a circle around it in oh, and
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Speaker 3: it's often on like the bottom right hand corner of
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Speaker 3: a package. So look at the food that you're eating
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Speaker 3: and you will discover to your surprise that it's kosher.
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Speaker 4: Right, Maybe maybe pays to take a moment and just
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Speaker 4: explain what does kosher mean, because a lot of people
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Speaker 4: think that it means that their food is blessed, and
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Speaker 4: that is actually not the case. We do make blessings
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Speaker 4: when we eat food, but the food is produced in
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Speaker 4: factories where there's a care taken that meat doesn't mix
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Speaker 4: with milk, that.
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Speaker 3: The kosher ingredients aren't exactly.
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Speaker 1: Non kosher ingredients.
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Speaker 4: Bugs don't get into your food obviously if there's, you know,
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Speaker 4: some epidemic or something, but there is great care to
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Speaker 4: assure that the food is produced in a kosher way.
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Speaker 3: So I once educated my friend Jenny, who is Christian
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Speaker 3: and her husband is Mormon, because one of their children
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Speaker 3: had a very very serious food allergy to shellfish, and
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Speaker 3: I said, you should you should only buy kosher stuff
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Speaker 3: because you know that there's not going to be any
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Speaker 3: remen of shrimp in there. It's not gonna be produced
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Speaker 3: on the same Yeah, it's not gonna be produced on
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Speaker 3: the same lines. And they I have a different friend
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Speaker 3: whose child was again deathly allergic to milk, and I said,
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Speaker 3: if it says O you and there's no D because
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Speaker 3: D connotates dairy because you can't eat those foods with
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Speaker 3: anything that has meat. And so if you don't see
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Speaker 3: a D, you're probably in good shape. And so a
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Speaker 3: lot of people aren't aware of kosher laws. But if
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Speaker 3: you have any severe food allergies in your family, you
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Speaker 3: should actually become acquainted because if you're allergic to pork
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Speaker 3: or shellfish or dairy, kosher could actually be a surprising
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Speaker 3: ally in your quest.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 4: I think there was even I'm trying to remember. I
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Speaker 4: had a friend in Birmingham, Alabama, who we lived in
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Speaker 4: Birmingham for nine years, whose daughter had a wheat allergy
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Speaker 4: or something like that. And it probably wasn't straight but
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Speaker 4: some allergy. Maybe it was gluten. Now everything has you know,
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Speaker 4: GF all over it. At the time, she loved to
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Speaker 4: come to the kosher. The synagogue had a passover store
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Speaker 4: inside the synagogue, and she would come and buy products.
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Speaker 4: You can't use corn syrup. You can't, right, So if
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Speaker 4: you ever noticed, like the right around passover time, the
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Speaker 4: Coca Cola bottles have a yellow cap, and that means
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Speaker 4: that there's sugar in it and corn syrup.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff going on.
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Speaker 4: The Orthodox Union supervises over a million products. And here's
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Speaker 4: and here's a really neat thing. All of the funds
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Speaker 4: that come in from Kosher Supervision help to support the
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Speaker 4: programming that we do. I do have the fundraise. I
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Speaker 4: do not to say, you know, but there is so much.
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Speaker 4: All of this money, the community money is poured right
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Speaker 4: back in to the community, and that's exciting.
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Speaker 3: I love it. What ave you should host your own
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Speaker 3: podcast because that was a beautiful segue. Thank you in
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Speaker 3: two weeks.
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Speaker 1: No one said that to me yesterday. So I'm actually
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Speaker 1: taking notes. I'm watching you.
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Speaker 3: I love the way you opened and very So it's
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Speaker 3: always very awkward when you've had a conversation with someone
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Speaker 3: before you start taping, and then you have to start
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Speaker 3: taping and you have to be on. It's always a
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Speaker 3: very awkward start for me. So I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I think we're doing great together.
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Speaker 3: There we go there we go. Maybe we don't even
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Speaker 3: need Cawer anymore. Maybe we'll just ditch her. You can
6:32
Speaker 3: just go have your baby in Virginia and just never
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Speaker 3: come back to me. I've had her once on the podcast,
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Speaker 3: and she had this baby who is exceptionally cute. So
6:41
Speaker 3: we first started communicating back in February because I was
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Speaker 3: on Hugh Hewitt Show and I made a passing reference.
6:48
Speaker 3: By the way, the number of Jews who listen to
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Speaker 3: Hugh Hewitt Show is off the charts. It's so crazy,
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Speaker 3: all very opinionated people. I get so many emails every
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Speaker 3: time I say anything about Israel or Judaism or whatever.
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Speaker 3: I always I always get a lot of feedback from
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Speaker 3: the show.
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Speaker 1: Two Jews and three opinions exactly.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, what a surprise, Jews have opinions news
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Speaker 3: at eleven. But I got an email from you back
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Speaker 3: in February because I guess I must have mentioned the
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Speaker 3: Book of Joshua on Hugh Hewitt Show, and you emailed
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Speaker 3: and said I received an email from a woman sharing
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Speaker 3: that you spoke about learning Joshua on the Hugh Hewitt Show.
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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you're doing nah Yomi and I would
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Speaker 3: love to hear about your experience, So can you explain?
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Speaker 3: And I am I am doing nach Yomi, So that
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Speaker 3: was on point. Can you explain to my listeners what
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Speaker 3: nach Yomi is, Like, what does nach mean, what does
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Speaker 3: yomi mean? And like what is this program that I
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Speaker 3: thought would be actually really interesting for my listeners to
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Speaker 3: hear about it?
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Speaker 4: Fantastic, So first of all, thank you for the opportunity.
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Speaker 4: It is a jewel in hour crown and has definitely
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Speaker 4: put the department on the map. So the word is
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Speaker 4: really a abbreviation. The sound is for nivm profits and
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Speaker 4: the cross sound is for two Vim writings. So these
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Speaker 4: are the Bible is divided into three sections Torah. Those
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Speaker 4: are the five books of Moses, then Navem prophets, early prophets, Joshua, Judges,
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Speaker 4: Samuel King's later prophets. So we're still in the prophet
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Speaker 4: section Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and then the very twelve twelve
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Speaker 4: minor prophets including Jonah Micah, and then we move into
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Speaker 4: writings to Vim. To Vim includes Psalms, the the migeylte
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Speaker 4: Esther Ruth. I mean, it's amazing all these names you know,
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Speaker 4: people are familiar with these names as first names, as
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Speaker 4: the children's names. Maybe they're you know, their own names,
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Speaker 4: and these are biblical names. And then the the These
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Speaker 4: books conclude with the Books of Ezra and Emaiah and
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Speaker 4: then Chronicles one Chronicles two. From the beginning of Navem
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Speaker 4: prophets all the way till the end of to them
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Speaker 4: writings are seven hundred and forty two chapters. It's nineteen books,
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Speaker 4: seven hundred and forty two chapters. And if you do
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Speaker 4: the math, if you did a chapter, one chapter a day,
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Speaker 4: it would take you approximately two years to complete the
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Speaker 4: cycle from Joshua all the way to Chronicles two, which
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Speaker 4: is an amazing journey of a people resilient, not always
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Speaker 4: on their best behavior, rollercoaster times, challenging times, words of rebuke,
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Speaker 4: words of compassion, words of consolation, words and stories that
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Speaker 4: I think are part of Western civilization. David and Goliath,
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Speaker 4: Jonah and the Whale, powerful stories, and the opportunity to
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Speaker 4: study from the beginning, walking into the land of Israel,
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Speaker 4: wells of Jericho falling down again. These are familiar concepts
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Speaker 4: ideas all the way to the end. In the way
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Speaker 4: that these books were laid out is a very very
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Speaker 4: powerful experience. The program started, so that's nah Yomi means daily,
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Speaker 4: So no Riomi is learning profits and writings once a
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Speaker 4: day or one a day. In fact, somebody said, very cleverly,
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Speaker 4: was a friend. She became a friend through no Riomi.
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Speaker 4: She lives in Palo Alto. She's a physician, she said,
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Speaker 4: very smartly, she said, if you forget one, then take
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Speaker 4: to the next day, and if you forget more than
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Speaker 4: a few, then you start again.
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Speaker 1: You know, sort of like in this prescription.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's a spiritual prescription. The program started in
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Speaker 4: I think two thousand and six at the Orthodox Union
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Speaker 4: and one cycle of content was recorded with male educators.
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Speaker 4: I came on board in twenty seventeen, just just just
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Speaker 4: as a new cycle was starting, and at the time
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Speaker 4: I literally had started six weeks prior, there was no
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Speaker 4: way to mobilize and set this all going. But when
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Speaker 4: the cycle came around again and now we're talking January
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty, it was a very unique opportunity to introduce
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Speaker 4: women educators to this space. What made it even more
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Speaker 4: exciting or I like these words divine choreography, So it
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Speaker 4: was divinely choreographed that the same week that nach Yomi
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Speaker 4: was starting. There is another cycle of learning of text
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Speaker 4: called daf yomi. Daff is not an acronym. It literally
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Speaker 4: means page or a full and dafiomi is a folio
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Speaker 4: a day or like both sides of the page of Gimura,
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Speaker 4: which is the oral law, as opposed to nah yomi
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Speaker 4: or nah or. We started to talk about the Torah,
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Speaker 4: the Bible that's written law. So that is a seven
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Speaker 4: and a half year cycle and it will conclude June
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven. So they're going there soon. Yeah they haven't,
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Speaker 4: but they haven't finished since they started. Me we're already
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Speaker 4: like we're whipping around.
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Speaker 3: So one of the things that I loved the last
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Speaker 3: cycle that has stuck in my mind was didn't they
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Speaker 3: rent out MSG?
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Speaker 4: Yes, not just MSG. I think MSG was so Madison
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Speaker 4: Square Garden. I think was two cycles ago. They were
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Speaker 4: at MetLife Stadium. By the way, I remember that because
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Speaker 4: my feet are still thawing out. It was January first,
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty. But also think about that in terms of
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Speaker 4: what happened in March twenty twenty. The whole world came
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Speaker 4: to a close. So this was a remarkable gathering of
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Speaker 4: one hundred thousand people in one place and satellites all over.
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Speaker 3: I think they took it.
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Speaker 4: They took Madison Square, Square Garden, they took the Nasau
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Speaker 4: Coliseum where the Knicks play in Brooklyn, and they took
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Speaker 4: all of these stadiums. And there was such an excitement
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Speaker 4: and joy about completing a seven and a half year cycle.
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Speaker 4: Well we rode that energy because as it happens, and
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Speaker 4: it's funny, I ever made this remark in the office
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Speaker 4: that the two daf Yomi and Nachaomi, we're not going
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Speaker 4: to line up for a million years. Someone went back
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Speaker 4: to his office checked and actually said, I'm sorry, it's
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Speaker 4: going to be two hundred and fifty years. Okay, forgive me,
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Speaker 4: but the next time that these two are going to
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Speaker 4: align as in two hundred and fifty years. So it
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Speaker 4: was a unique opportunity to take this owly energy, this daily,
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Speaker 4: daily energy, and run with it. And we haven't looked back.
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Speaker 4: We haven't looked back.
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Speaker 2: This week on conservative crossroads, should there be fewer or
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Speaker 2: more limits on foreign students and staff at American universities,
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Speaker 2: Jay Green says there should be more limits.
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Speaker 3: We have to think of foreign students, not simply as
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Speaker 3: economic assets, but as political risks as well.
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Speaker 2: Daniel D. Martine says there should be fewer limits.
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Speaker 3: It's about lifting restrictions on the good kind of people
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Speaker 3: and embosing those on the wrong kind of people.
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Speaker 2: The number of students and staff at American universities coming
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Speaker 2: up on conservative crossroads.
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Speaker 1: Ricochet join the conversation.
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Speaker 3: So part of the reason that I put off having
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Speaker 3: you on for so long was because I wanted to
15:14
Speaker 3: actually stick with it myself, so that I didn't have
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Speaker 3: you on and like it, which is sort of selfish,
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Speaker 3: because I really should have had you on in February
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Speaker 3: to be like this is starting and everyone should start.
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Speaker 4: We're on a jump on point right now, So this
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Speaker 4: is great.
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Speaker 1: This is a great.
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Speaker 3: Opportunity exactly, Isaiah is actually a perfect point to jump on.
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Speaker 3: But I have actually kept up with it, which I'm not.
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Speaker 3: I'm not a carry througher. I like add, I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I want to do a million things, and then I'm
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Speaker 3: the person who leaves the journal half unwritten and the
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Speaker 3: you know, bookcase half finished, and this is this is
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Speaker 3: who I am as a person, And so I've been
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Speaker 3: going I mean, it was really satisfying to finish the
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Speaker 3: book of the second Book of Kings, because my book
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Speaker 3: that I have is you know, a couple of books
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Speaker 3: in it, and so I went from Joshua through Kings
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Speaker 3: in the same volume. Oh when I closed that, I
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Speaker 3: was like, I just read a really big book.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing.
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Speaker 3: That was so validating for me, and I have found
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Speaker 3: so one of the things I love about Judaism is
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Speaker 3: that you always have these like chances, these second chances
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Speaker 3: and third chances. And I've gotten better about this a lot,
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Speaker 3: especially since I've had kids. Honestly, kids have really kept
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Speaker 3: me accountable in a way that they never I never
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Speaker 3: was accountable when it was just myself. But we read
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Speaker 3: through the Torah every year. We start and end in
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Speaker 3: the fall, and then we have like a big party
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Speaker 3: when it's time to restart. But I found as a
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Speaker 3: sort of reflecting on like what I was missing as
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Speaker 3: a human being, not just necessarily as a Jew, but
16:56
Speaker 3: like all of these books that you talked about Joanah
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Speaker 3: on the way, well, like I didn't know a lot
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Speaker 3: of these stories or didn't know them well. And I
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Speaker 3: like David and Goliath until I had just recently read it.
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Speaker 3: I realized as I was reading it. I know this story,
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Speaker 3: but I never read this story in actual book in
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Speaker 3: front of me like this, and so I was thinking
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Speaker 3: to myself, Wow, this is like just as a literate
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Speaker 3: person in our society that you kind of need familiarity
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Speaker 3: with these stories. And so I was thinking, you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm very familiar now with the weekly Tora abortion that
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Speaker 3: you know, you go from front to back. I've done
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Speaker 3: that many times now. But this was a real hole
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Speaker 3: for me in my in my not just Jewish learning,
17:43
Speaker 3: but I think just you know, learning in itself. So
17:48
Speaker 3: I when I saw that the cycle was starting again.
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Speaker 3: I had started it last time and then I kind
17:54
Speaker 3: of petered off and I didn't finish it on brand
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Speaker 3: for me. But this time I was like, Okay, I'm
18:01
Speaker 3: going to like set sort of try to set myself
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Speaker 3: up for success. And so one of the ways I
18:06
Speaker 3: did that was I was reading every morning when I
18:08
Speaker 3: was co hosting morning radio, because I was co hosting
18:11
Speaker 3: morning radio like three times a week, and we have
18:13
Speaker 3: commercial breaks, and so during a long commercial break, I'd
18:17
Speaker 3: read two or three chapters and so I'd go from my.
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Speaker 4: That's amazing, look look at how you can find time.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so that was something that I found actually
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Speaker 3: was helping me rewire my brain. Was like finding these
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Speaker 3: moments to not scroll on my phone and setting aside
18:38
Speaker 3: moments where I don't scroll. And so now I don't
18:41
Speaker 3: co host morning radio anymore because the show I was
18:43
Speaker 3: on went national and the co host is solo now,
18:47
Speaker 3: so he didn't need me, And so I fell off
18:49
Speaker 3: the wagon for like a month until I could figure
18:52
Speaker 3: out a new rhythm. And now I have the book
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Speaker 3: in my youngest son's rooms, well the room, and they
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Speaker 3: hold me hostage every night for twenty minutes while they're
19:04
Speaker 3: falling asleep, for sure. So I leave my phone in
19:08
Speaker 3: the other room and I just sit there and with
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Speaker 3: the lava lamp next to me, I've been reading Isaiah.
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Speaker 4: I think that's beautiful. First of all, thank you. I
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Speaker 4: can just picture that. But I'll say it's interesting. There
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Speaker 4: is actually a I don't know how old your boys are,
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Speaker 4: but I also have boys. My boys are much older now,
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Speaker 4: but when they were younger, I would read to.
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Speaker 1: Them at night.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I found a junior series of Nah and
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Speaker 4: I would read, you know, several pages and boy, first
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Speaker 4: of all, again, because they're boys. The battles and this
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Speaker 4: one's killing this one, and this one's stabbing that one,
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Speaker 4: and they were just on the edge. Now we're trying
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Speaker 4: to go to sleep and we're trying to calm down.
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Speaker 4: So sometimes it just got everybody a little bit revved up.
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Speaker 4: But it was beautiful. It was interesting because initially, when
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Speaker 4: I started to read to them as little little boys,
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Speaker 4: I read Charlie, Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, and I read,
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Speaker 4: you know, these classics. And then I said to myself,
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Speaker 4: why am I filling there? I want to fill their
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Speaker 4: heads with wonderful values. Again, killing each other maybe not,
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Speaker 4: but texts that are that are so valuable to our people.
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Speaker 4: Let them drift off to sleep, hearing about Jonah, hearing
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Speaker 4: about David, hearing about these names. Let them reverberate as
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Speaker 4: they drift off to sleep. And so that was something
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Speaker 4: that I did, you know, with my kids as little boys. Again,
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Speaker 4: this preceded nach Yomi, and you know my connection to that.
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Speaker 1: But that was very meaningful.
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Speaker 3: It's funny that you said that, because part of the
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Speaker 3: reason why I wanted to do this. Also, so we homeschool.
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Speaker 3: We have six children. My oldest is almost thirteen and
20:54
Speaker 3: my youngest is three and good for you. Yeah, And
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Speaker 3: I have found that I learned so much homeschooling them,
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Speaker 3: like hopefully they're learning too, but I feel like I'm
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Speaker 3: taking so much out of learning with them alongside them.
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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons I actually wanted to do
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Speaker 3: Nakaomi was because I wanted to go through it this
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Speaker 3: cycle by myself and then the next cycle. I wanted
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Speaker 3: to have at least my older two or three kids
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Speaker 3: doing it with me the next cycle. What was that
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Speaker 3: those Do you remember those books? Because maybe I could
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Speaker 3: do it with my younger kids also, Yes.
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Speaker 4: I think it was the Little Medraish says I have that. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 4: so they have it for Tora, but they also have
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Speaker 4: it for I don't know how deep it goes into
21:38
Speaker 4: the profits, but they definitely have Joshua and Judges and
21:42
Speaker 4: and the boys would and then we just like having
21:45
Speaker 4: a celebration when a you know, as an adult, you
21:49
Speaker 4: finish a significant text. We would have celebrations. Well, who
21:54
Speaker 4: doesn't love a celebration? And the and and the boys
21:58
Speaker 4: were thrilled, and we would talk about what do you
22:00
Speaker 4: learn from this? I did in homeschool, but I home camped,
22:04
Speaker 4: so you know, I figured for Camp I Camp Mommy camp.
22:07
Speaker 4: It was called Camp Yippie Mama. My kids were like,
22:10
Speaker 4: why do you have to tell.
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Speaker 1: That to everybody?
22:15
Speaker 4: I mean a big calendar and you know, we had
22:18
Speaker 4: every week a different boy was a head counselor because
22:21
Speaker 4: the thought was if you if you want your brothers
22:26
Speaker 4: to do what you choose, then you better do what
22:31
Speaker 4: they choose. So there was like a you know, some
22:32
Speaker 4: accountability going on there, and it was great and we
22:35
Speaker 4: would have themes and different experiences, but the but I
22:40
Speaker 4: definitely recall finishing a significant amount of text in the
22:44
Speaker 4: summer with them and having that seem celebration.
22:49
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that market. Yeah.
22:50
Speaker 3: So one of the things that I do with my kids,
22:52
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm giving myself a little bit
22:55
Speaker 3: of an out as this knockam me cycle goes on,
22:59
Speaker 3: because one of the things that I do is I
23:00
Speaker 3: read a Psalm, usually like twice a week, and so
23:05
Speaker 3: we've gone through the Psalms now twice. And the interesting
23:09
Speaker 3: thing that I have found over the course of I mean,
23:12
Speaker 3: she's starting eighth she's starting seventh grade, so we've been
23:15
Speaker 3: doing this almost eight years and I think we've gone
23:17
Speaker 3: through two or three times, and my older children become
23:22
Speaker 3: less insightful and less interesting in their responses, whereas my
23:28
Speaker 3: younger kids always come. I guess it's like they come
23:32
Speaker 3: with fresh eyes and enthusiasm that she'd really get when
23:34
Speaker 3: you're young and bushytailed. But my younger daughter, especially this
23:39
Speaker 3: past year she was in first grade, my older kids
23:43
Speaker 3: I would read it and then I'd say, like, what
23:45
Speaker 3: did you take from that? And my older kids were like,
23:48
Speaker 3: God thinks you shouldn't be lazy. That's a theme. Maybe
23:53
Speaker 3: maybe we didn't need to read this thirty times. And
23:56
Speaker 3: my younger daughter takes so much more, and she's like,
23:59
Speaker 3: I liked that word choice. And I try to do
24:03
Speaker 3: it to myself also, like we go around and we
24:05
Speaker 3: share like their insights, and the youngest person there puts
24:09
Speaker 3: us all to shame. But I also try to like extrapolate,
24:13
Speaker 3: like this is this was an interesting thing. This was
24:15
Speaker 3: something that I really took from this. This is a
24:18
Speaker 3: theme that comes up again and again and again, don't
24:21
Speaker 3: be lazy, don't be mean, and then trying to like
24:24
Speaker 3: extrapolate it a little bit out into our lives of like, hmm,
24:29
Speaker 3: maybe this this was like faded to be the thing
24:32
Speaker 3: that we read today about not being mean and lazy,
24:36
Speaker 3: to which my older son will be like, well, that's
24:38
Speaker 3: the theme every week.
24:40
Speaker 4: So I remember saying to so my grandmother always used
24:43
Speaker 4: to say, what do we learn from this? So that's
24:45
Speaker 4: like a mansa. Now what do we learn from this?
24:47
Speaker 4: So one time I remember saying to the kids, what
24:49
Speaker 4: do we learn from this? We learn nothing? So I said,
24:54
Speaker 4: good for you, so you learn that sometimes you don't
24:57
Speaker 4: learn anything, and they were like, er, you know, I
25:00
Speaker 4: love it. But back to psalms. What's amazing is that
25:06
Speaker 4: if you if you look, there are I don't know
25:09
Speaker 4: how many, probably somewhere around maybe twenty five thirty psalms
25:14
Speaker 4: that line up with the storyline in Samuel. So basically,
25:20
Speaker 4: you're handing Samuel. I'm sorry, you're handing David a microphone. So, David,
25:28
Speaker 4: what what does it feel like to have your son
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Speaker 4: pursue you, rebel against you and try to take away
25:36
Speaker 4: your kingdom?
25:38
Speaker 3: Well?
25:38
Speaker 1: Actually, it's terrible.
25:41
Speaker 4: I have so many terrible times, you know, and you
25:44
Speaker 4: see this, and it's it's fascinating because when when do
25:48
Speaker 4: we have an opportunity to say, like, like, how did
25:52
Speaker 4: you really feel about it? Because it's narrative and it's
25:54
Speaker 4: a storyline, but nobod, I want to know how how
25:57
Speaker 4: did you experience this? And so many of the psalms
26:01
Speaker 4: don't have that hook, but there are those that do,
26:05
Speaker 4: and they're very explicit, and it's it's eye opening because
26:09
Speaker 4: you can actually hear his voice and hear his thoughts
26:14
Speaker 4: and you know, and what was going through his mind
26:16
Speaker 4: and how did he experience?
26:18
Speaker 1: You know what he experienced. It's it's remarkable.
26:21
Speaker 3: So I went to Boca, I think in like March,
26:25
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you've been to the Koran
26:27
Speaker 3: Bookstore in Boca.
26:30
Speaker 4: I've been to the to the restaurant three Doors.
26:32
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, that's why we were there. We went to
26:35
Speaker 3: the restaurant and we parked in front of the Koran Bookstore.
26:39
Speaker 3: And it was amazing because we always fly down to
26:42
Speaker 3: Florida from Washington, d C. But this time we had
26:45
Speaker 3: our car with us because we did the auto train.
26:49
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a big Amtrak.
26:51
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you can take an overnight train from Northern Virginia,
26:56
Speaker 3: which is very close to where we are, and you
26:59
Speaker 3: put your car on the train and then you then
27:03
Speaker 3: you get off the next morning outside of Orlando, Florida.
27:07
Speaker 3: So we yeah, cool, it is cool. You know what.
27:11
Speaker 4: I always see it advertised and I always and I
27:14
Speaker 4: think I've get I get vouchers, but I don't know
27:16
Speaker 4: what to do with the voucher.
27:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was an experience. So our family
27:21
Speaker 3: is so large that we couldn't fit in the sleeper cars,
27:24
Speaker 3: so we had to sleep and coach that I wouldn't
27:26
Speaker 3: recommend with no small children. It was hard. It was hard.
27:31
Speaker 3: I when we got to Florida, one of the conductors
27:34
Speaker 3: was like, I saw one of your children wandering the
27:37
Speaker 3: train at four am, and we were like, oh my god.
27:40
Speaker 3: Information we would have used at four am instead of
27:44
Speaker 3: when we got here at eight. But so we had
27:46
Speaker 3: our car with us because we drove from Orlando. We
27:49
Speaker 3: did like you know, Universal Studios, and then we drove
27:52
Speaker 3: down to Boca for a couple more days. And so
27:54
Speaker 3: we went into this bookstore with the fact that like,
27:57
Speaker 3: we don't have to check anything, and this it's going
28:00
Speaker 3: to be probably the only time that we're going to
28:02
Speaker 3: be at this bookstore and we don't have to check anything.
28:05
Speaker 3: That's remarkable, and so we went nuts. It was five
28:11
Speaker 3: hundred dollars at the Koran bookstore, and what I took
28:15
Speaker 3: from the bookstore was they have these volumes of commentary
28:21
Speaker 3: and explanation and all these things into all of these books.
28:25
Speaker 3: And I bought the first six months worth and I
28:27
Speaker 3: actually just had to buy the rest of them.
28:29
Speaker 1: Amazing.
28:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I have found them, especially when I
28:33
Speaker 3: finished the first book of Kings and kind of the
28:36
Speaker 3: second as well, when I finished it very confusing. What
28:39
Speaker 3: did I just read exactly what just happened? And then
28:43
Speaker 3: I would read the Koran and I was like, ah, okay.
28:46
Speaker 1: Now it makes Yeah, it's very hard.
28:48
Speaker 4: You have too parallel the names overlaps the marriage between
28:53
Speaker 4: the two families, and you're just yeah, it's dizzy.
28:56
Speaker 3: So I have found that that's helpful for me. What
29:00
Speaker 3: other resources do you recommend for people, because this is
29:03
Speaker 3: not just like a Jewish program like anyone can and
29:06
Speaker 3: I think should do this. What resources do you guys
29:09
Speaker 3: have at the OU, and what are like outside resources
29:12
Speaker 3: like korin that people can sort of like do this
29:15
Speaker 3: journey not alone?
29:16
Speaker 4: Great, So we have we actually produced We always want
29:21
Speaker 4: to add to our canon or add to the program. Yeah,
29:27
Speaker 4: so we introduced this cycle. So this is our fourth cycle,
29:31
Speaker 4: and there have been women who have been with us
29:34
Speaker 4: already for all you know, they're with us three cycles
29:38
Speaker 4: and they're starting number four. There are people who are
29:41
Speaker 4: new to the program. So one of the things that
29:43
Speaker 4: we introduced was the Next Chapter podcast, where I have
29:48
Speaker 4: a wonderful woman on my team. Her name is actually
29:52
Speaker 4: a the start of a psalm. I yell at hashahardn
29:56
Speaker 4: of the morning. So here it is beautiful, I yell it. Yes, yes,
30:02
Speaker 4: so I yell at interviews the educator for the particular
30:06
Speaker 4: safer of the particular book. So we have that that
30:10
Speaker 4: is available. We have a journal we partnered with a
30:15
Speaker 4: printing company called Jerry Press.
30:18
Speaker 3: He is my neighbor, Dave Weinberg.
30:21
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, well he has lots of
30:24
Speaker 4: journals in his basement, so you knock on his door
30:27
Speaker 4: and tell him that you want one.
30:29
Speaker 3: His wife, Talia, is my kid's art teacher.
30:31
Speaker 4: Because that's like, yes, yes, oh my gosh, okay, what
30:35
Speaker 4: that is great? Okay, So somebody I once said to somebody,
30:39
Speaker 4: it's such a small world, and they said to me, no,
30:41
Speaker 4: it's just well run.
30:43
Speaker 1: Okay, it's wherever you want to take it. Yes, but anyway,
30:46
Speaker 1: that's one. Okay, so great.
30:48
Speaker 4: So Dave and his colleague Fred Goldman approached us, or
30:53
Speaker 4: actually somebody had made this connection with them, and we
30:56
Speaker 4: are so excited because we produced the journal for the
31:01
Speaker 4: early profits for NAVI reshown him. We now came out
31:05
Speaker 4: with the second volume. Somebody sent me a very very
31:09
Speaker 4: very very very short video of her flipping through her
31:14
Speaker 4: filled journal, which was breathtaking, breath taking, incredible, and we
31:20
Speaker 4: put in the back charts and maps and actually.
31:25
Speaker 1: This was really neat.
31:27
Speaker 4: These verses show up in other places, so we have
31:32
Speaker 4: them as part of our prayer service. But I know
31:38
Speaker 4: for myself, you know, I could be reading and I'm like, wow,
31:42
Speaker 4: that sounds familiar. I wonder where it Like, where does
31:45
Speaker 4: that come from?
31:46
Speaker 1: Again? Okay?
31:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my book actually it says it's like this
31:49
Speaker 3: is the haf Tora, which is like, you know, part
31:52
Speaker 3: of our tour service on Passover. I'm like, ah, yes,
31:56
Speaker 3: I actually go to that sometimes.
31:57
Speaker 4: There you go, so but to run through it like
32:01
Speaker 4: Isaiah one happens to be the huff Torah of this week, right,
32:05
Speaker 4: but if you were studying it, you may not know that.
32:10
Speaker 1: But in this.
32:11
Speaker 4: Journal, there's a little little little Tora scroll icon and
32:15
Speaker 4: it refers you to the back and you can see, oh,
32:19
Speaker 4: that's a huff Tora that we read, and when we
32:21
Speaker 4: read it, there's a little icon for the sitter for
32:25
Speaker 4: the prayer book. And then we introduce for this journal
32:28
Speaker 4: we didn't do it last time, a little music note
32:31
Speaker 4: because there's a song that a Jewish song that comes
32:34
Speaker 4: up in this chapter. We made a playlist and so
32:35
Speaker 4: you can go onto YouTube.
32:37
Speaker 3: I love it and.
32:37
Speaker 4: Listen to the songs from these chapters.
32:39
Speaker 3: So so it's so funny because one of my biggest
32:42
Speaker 3: complaints as a Jew is I feel like the Christians
32:45
Speaker 3: really have it the market cornered on swag on like stuff,
32:50
Speaker 3: and so I'll see, I'm not really a journaler. I'm
32:53
Speaker 3: not like, that's not where I exp but I see
32:56
Speaker 3: so much cool stuff. One of my friends has a
32:59
Speaker 3: Bible widget on her phone and she always pops up
33:03
Speaker 3: like these like prophetic, amazing Bible verses when she needs them,
33:07
Speaker 3: and I'm like, why why can't we do more of that?
33:11
Speaker 3: So I'm so glad to hear that you guys are
33:13
Speaker 3: thinking like in that vein of like how can we
33:17
Speaker 3: make yext and all of these things like more.
33:20
Speaker 4: We're trying, we actually have. You'll send me your address,
33:24
Speaker 4: I'll send you one of these. We have a magnet.
33:26
Speaker 4: It says driven by So so.
33:32
Speaker 3: I'll knock on Dave's door and I'll be like, you
33:34
Speaker 3: can save me the shipping costs, give me one of
33:36
Speaker 3: the books.
33:36
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's also we have a newsletter every Friday,
33:42
Speaker 4: and that really IT'SI and Beyond, So it definitely hits
33:46
Speaker 4: on different programs that we're running across the department.
33:50
Speaker 1: As much as we're known.
33:51
Speaker 4: For the Tora Study, particularly Noomi, we have Tori Mehra Parsha,
33:57
Speaker 4: which is for the weekly portion Todi Merhaha Torah Tardi
34:01
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34:06
Speaker 4: many opportunities with learning. We also have leadership opportunities, whether
34:09
Speaker 4: it's women who are in community positions and supporting them
34:13
Speaker 4: or women who who are attendants at the myth beat
34:17
Speaker 4: the ritual Beth. How can we give them professional development
34:20
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34:22
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34:25
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34:28
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35:22
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35:27
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35:30
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35:35
Speaker 3: you know, educating myself right alongside my kids. I have
35:39
Speaker 3: found and I said this to you on the phone
35:41
Speaker 3: when we chatted, like I found that a lot of
35:43
Speaker 3: the resources that are put out by Orthodox institutions go
35:47
Speaker 3: right over my head. It's just like it's it's not
35:51
Speaker 3: it's it's for an audience that is not me, and
35:53
Speaker 3: it is valid and wonderful that they're speaking to that audience,
35:56
Speaker 3: and they should keep speaking to that audience. But for
35:58
Speaker 3: my listeners who by and large or probably not Jewish, like,
36:03
Speaker 3: they can still access some of your resources. So do
36:05
Speaker 3: you have sort of like an easy button of like
36:08
Speaker 3: this is the podcast for you, this is the book
36:10
Speaker 3: for you.
36:11
Speaker 4: Great question, And I think you're right that sometimes the
36:15
Speaker 4: presentation can be a little bit maybe accelerated. I will
36:20
Speaker 4: say that whenever I speak to the educator who's coming up,
36:23
Speaker 4: you know, the next and you know somebody's getting ready
36:26
Speaker 4: to record, I always say, please not don't only say
36:31
Speaker 4: the number of the verse in Hebrews, say it in
36:33
Speaker 4: English as well. So that way, there's some people, even
36:38
Speaker 4: people with a Jewish education, sometimes they just don't remember
36:41
Speaker 4: their numbers and it might be hard. We want to
36:44
Speaker 4: create as as much as as as inclusive a classroom
36:50
Speaker 4: as possible. That always gives me great joy to know
36:53
Speaker 4: that there is such diversity in the learners, people with
36:57
Speaker 4: Jewish education background, when with no education, you know, Jewish education,
37:03
Speaker 4: and that's wonderful. We can all sit together, women who
37:06
Speaker 4: are who are? There was a woman I hope she
37:09
Speaker 4: made it to the end of the last cycle. She
37:11
Speaker 4: was one hundred and she was starting again. So I
37:15
Speaker 4: don't know, but we definitely have very elderly women who
37:19
Speaker 4: are participating, and we have girls. In fact, we had
37:22
Speaker 4: to see them the completion celebration in Boca and it
37:27
Speaker 4: was very cute. A mom came over to me with
37:29
Speaker 4: her eight year old and she said, my, my daughter
37:32
Speaker 4: just finished, which is which is really tremendous, tremendous. So
37:35
Speaker 4: I say, can I shout her out? Absolutely so, but
37:40
Speaker 4: most I would say ninety five percent of the room
37:43
Speaker 4: was sixteen above. So I said, I want to shout
37:46
Speaker 4: out esther, esther? Can you stand up on your chair?
37:50
Speaker 3: Like like sixty sixty eight year olds are like, I
37:54
Speaker 3: can't stand on my chair.
37:55
Speaker 1: I can't stand on my chair? Does she mean me?
37:57
Speaker 2: Now?
37:57
Speaker 1: Anyways, this little girl stands up and everyone class that. Ever,
38:00
Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
38:01
Speaker 4: So the age diversity, the geographic diversity. I got a
38:05
Speaker 4: text this morning from a woman in Zurich and they're
38:07
Speaker 4: having a CM celebration tomorrow evening, and I was like,
38:11
Speaker 4: that's amazing.
38:13
Speaker 3: Okay, So if I have my podcast app open in
38:17
Speaker 3: my hand right now and I'm typing in what am
38:20
Speaker 3: I typing?
38:21
Speaker 4: You're typing in Torah? T O r A T Torah
38:25
Speaker 4: emha i m e c h a. It's actually that
38:31
Speaker 4: is a phrase that is in proverbs. It's the Torah
38:36
Speaker 4: or the Bible of my mother, the studies of my mother,
38:40
Speaker 4: which we felt was very on point. So Torat emha
38:44
Speaker 4: nah Yomi n a c h yo m I. It's
38:49
Speaker 4: on straight up awesome. It's on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We
38:54
Speaker 4: do have a Torah Emerha app where it needs a
38:58
Speaker 4: little tweaking. But if you'retient and you're sort of you're
39:01
Speaker 4: able to just you know, swallow a little bit. Sometimes
39:05
Speaker 4: it can be a little glitchy. We are working on
39:07
Speaker 4: it and you can get an email. You can sign
39:11
Speaker 4: up from an email. You can sign up for WhatsApp.
39:13
Speaker 4: The email and WhatsApp, or I should say the email
39:17
Speaker 4: comes along with a summary. A lot of people like
39:21
Speaker 4: the summary. The Summari is written by Rabbi Jack Abramowitz.
39:25
Speaker 4: You can sign up oh you Women dot org, slash
39:29
Speaker 4: nah and acch. Rabbi Abramoitz was the one who brought
39:34
Speaker 4: Nafayomi to the Orthodox Union, so I always want to
39:37
Speaker 4: make sure to give him a huge shout out. But
39:40
Speaker 4: we are taking over the you know, top ten slots
39:45
Speaker 4: of va Oh U Torah, and you know, everyone is
39:48
Speaker 4: very joyful about that. When you get the email and
39:54
Speaker 4: you go on and you click, you have two options.
39:58
Speaker 4: When you get the email, you can there's the women
40:01
Speaker 4: teacher and that's refreshed every two years, and then there's
40:04
Speaker 4: the men's cycle, which is the same around the just
40:09
Speaker 4: for the last years, I think sixteen years. When you
40:13
Speaker 4: click on the women's link, which is a top link,
40:16
Speaker 4: that's a big advancement. We went from the second to
40:18
Speaker 4: the first.
40:19
Speaker 3: Okay, there fighting the patriarchy.
40:24
Speaker 4: When you click on it, you'll actually see that there
40:27
Speaker 4: are we have three other cycles sitting there next to
40:34
Speaker 4: that the current cycle. And I think that that's important,
40:37
Speaker 4: and that goes to the question that you were just
40:39
Speaker 4: that you just raised about accessibility, and accessibility could be
40:45
Speaker 4: I feel like I understand this person more, or I
40:49
Speaker 4: like their style more, and different people, different teachers are appealing.
40:55
Speaker 4: I know that every time a teacher steps off, that's
40:57
Speaker 4: a big adjustment that you have to now get used
40:59
Speaker 4: to the next educator next er. Yeah, that's hard, but
41:04
Speaker 4: but overall there are people have preferences. Great, we're so
41:09
Speaker 4: excited to say that we have four cycles of content.
41:13
Speaker 4: That's a huge accomplishment. When it came the end of
41:17
Speaker 4: the first cycle and I went to Rabba A. Bramwins
41:19
Speaker 4: and I said, you know something about recording another cycle.
41:23
Speaker 4: He's like, why why would you record it? Like you
41:26
Speaker 4: have seven hundred and forty two pieces, which is such
41:28
Speaker 4: a huge, huge amount of content. I said, there are
41:32
Speaker 4: women who want to learn again. How could I not
41:36
Speaker 4: give that to them? And I will say that I've
41:40
Speaker 4: met so many women who've shared that each time they learn,
41:45
Speaker 4: whether it's there, you know, second third or maybe their
41:48
Speaker 4: fourth cycle, every time they learn, they hear something different,
41:52
Speaker 4: and so that's you know, so that's that's huge.
41:56
Speaker 3: I feel. I feel like that when I read the
41:57
Speaker 3: tour portion every week for however many years I've been
42:00
Speaker 3: doing that, right, I feel like I take something new
42:03
Speaker 3: out of it all the time. And my kids shout
42:06
Speaker 3: out to Hanni Kirshner. So my kids do online Zoom
42:10
Speaker 3: Juday classes. So you have to send your kids to
42:13
Speaker 3: day school, you can homeschool at the time. I'm always
42:15
Speaker 3: just yelling it quietly for my little corner. But it's
42:18
Speaker 3: called Gesher program. It's Gesher program, and my kids have
42:21
Speaker 3: been learning Parsha the weekly more apportion with her for
42:25
Speaker 3: years and years and years, and I'm always sort of
42:27
Speaker 3: in the background and listening, and I feel like I
42:29
Speaker 3: should be paying her because I'm like, I took so
42:31
Speaker 3: much out of this. And I was talking to her
42:34
Speaker 3: this past year about she was thinking about what class
42:37
Speaker 3: is to offer, and she said, is it getting repetitive?
42:39
Speaker 3: And I was like, speaking as the parent, No, I
42:43
Speaker 3: don't find it repetitive at all.
42:45
Speaker 4: Every year, and look, there's always stories that you could
42:47
Speaker 4: do a deeper dive on or but the truth is
42:52
Speaker 4: even hearing the same story, you're coming into the experience
42:57
Speaker 4: as a different person. Yeah, and so you you just
43:01
Speaker 4: someone described it. It's not just like a circle, it's
43:05
Speaker 4: a spiral.
43:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like I found that. So we just went
43:10
Speaker 3: to Israel for we spent like five weeks in Israel
43:13
Speaker 3: this past winter, and obviously we're going to like City
43:17
Speaker 3: of David, We're going to Shiloh, like we're going to
43:19
Speaker 3: all of these places. And when I started again with
43:23
Speaker 3: I started in February with Nakaomi, I took so much
43:27
Speaker 3: more out of it because as I'm reading all of
43:30
Speaker 3: these stories, I'm like transported back to City of David,
43:35
Speaker 3: thinking like oh, this is like, that's that verse and
43:38
Speaker 3: they found that verse like written. It was such a
43:41
Speaker 3: cool different experience having just come off the heels of
43:45
Speaker 3: that trip and all of those experiences to then read
43:48
Speaker 3: like and I want to go back to Israel and
43:50
Speaker 3: I'm not. Maybe that's that'll be my ultimate seu oh
43:53
Speaker 3: love it go back as a.
43:55
Speaker 4: Family, And I think that's great, and it's.
43:58
Speaker 3: Great you should do their own like women, you know what.
44:01
Speaker 4: So we have had since the beginning a Sum in Israel.
44:05
Speaker 4: We're thinking about building out the trip piece, but even
44:09
Speaker 4: the we've done some day trips. But I will say
44:11
Speaker 4: just being in Israel this we really blew out the
44:15
Speaker 4: sum experience. This go round we had. We called it
44:19
Speaker 4: a cum in a box. If you you know, just
44:21
Speaker 4: wanted to, we'll give you the videos and you know
44:24
Speaker 4: the swag we had.
44:26
Speaker 1: I was all over.
44:30
Speaker 3: It was.
44:30
Speaker 1: It was a wild.
44:31
Speaker 4: Boston, La, Phoenix, South Florida, Israel, of course New York.
44:38
Speaker 4: The energy around it was amazing, exceptional, exceptional. It's the joy.
44:44
Speaker 4: And I think that this point is something to highlight
44:50
Speaker 4: the community aspect that you're going through this with other people.
44:55
Speaker 4: We're all on literally and figuratively we're on the same page,
44:59
Speaker 4: we're on the same chat, and so you can talk
45:02
Speaker 4: to somebody who this now becomes a common language of oh,
45:08
Speaker 4: like how are you how are you handling Isaiah? It's
45:12
Speaker 4: it's really complex. Yeah, that was so, you know, we
45:15
Speaker 4: just moved from narrative. But I really found it hard
45:17
Speaker 4: with the Kings or what would David thinking? You know
45:20
Speaker 4: all of these things. Wow, you can talk to your peers,
45:24
Speaker 4: you can talk to you know, you all these.
45:26
Speaker 3: Eighteen year old nieces doing it. And we've sent Instagram
45:29
Speaker 3: messages back and forth. Right, it's like the language that
45:32
Speaker 3: I can speak with my eighteen year old niece remarkable.
45:35
Speaker 4: Somebody shared with me something very poignantly. This was at
45:39
Speaker 4: the end of the second cycle. She said to me
45:43
Speaker 4: that her she's not married and moved to Israel. And
45:50
Speaker 4: it was hard, like what do you talk to your
45:52
Speaker 4: mom about every day? And you know what your mom
45:54
Speaker 4: is thinking, and and there's just this like elephant in
45:58
Speaker 4: the room. And she said, the two of them start
46:00
Speaker 4: to learn, and it opened up the the communication between
46:06
Speaker 4: the two of them in such a meaningful way. We're
46:10
Speaker 4: we can talk, we were reading the same thing, we're
46:14
Speaker 4: experiencing we're thinking, what do you think?
46:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I look forward to doing that with
46:19
Speaker 3: with my kids next cycle. And this leads me to
46:22
Speaker 3: my perfect final question. I'm taking notes from your amazing segues.
46:27
Speaker 3: So I use a book called Living Nah Again as
46:31
Speaker 3: an ach My husband is like he was day school educated,
46:36
Speaker 3: so I kind of he kind of holds my hand
46:37
Speaker 3: through a lot of Jewish.
46:38
Speaker 1: I think he's actually here. We are hold on.
46:41
Speaker 3: That's my version. That's what I use. So and by
46:45
Speaker 3: the way, if folks subscribe on substack, you can watch
46:48
Speaker 3: the video podcast of this and you can see what
46:50
Speaker 3: aDNA just held up. But that's the that's the edition
46:52
Speaker 3: that I use. Do you have other recommendations besides that,
46:56
Speaker 3: of like really readable versions of this or would you
47:00
Speaker 3: recommend Living Now?
47:02
Speaker 4: Living Now is a certain style I think we're.
47:04
Speaker 3: Thinking, especially for my kids for an next cycle. This
47:06
Speaker 3: is this is where the question lies, right.
47:09
Speaker 4: I happen to find the art scroll translation in their
47:13
Speaker 4: Tannah to be very clean and accessible. There are people
47:18
Speaker 4: and they're doing no great sale right now. I wonder
47:20
Speaker 4: if that's included.
47:20
Speaker 1: In that sale. Yes, yes, And by the way, the most.
47:25
Speaker 3: Jewish podcast for that moment right there, and.
47:27
Speaker 4: We have to find out they actually included. Because we
47:30
Speaker 4: gave we as a gift to the women who attended
47:33
Speaker 4: to see them, we gave out a Yohoshua chof Tim
47:38
Speaker 4: Joshua Judges volume, small little pocket volume from art scroll,
47:44
Speaker 4: and there was a coupon. I think the coupon is
47:48
Speaker 4: NA so we have Jewish or not twenty or twenty
47:52
Speaker 4: not try it out, see where it gets you or
47:54
Speaker 4: right to them, because they'll definitely honor that that coupon.
47:59
Speaker 4: But it's uh, yeah, I think that those that to
48:03
Speaker 4: me there is this is what I always called the
48:05
Speaker 4: pink and red Navy. It's a Sino. It's a little
48:10
Speaker 4: bit more dense. Again, do you want commentary? Do you
48:13
Speaker 4: want it's sort of straight up?
48:15
Speaker 3: Do you want it straight? But I want it like
48:17
Speaker 3: easy to read.
48:18
Speaker 1: Easy to read.
48:19
Speaker 4: I think you're I think the Living is a good choice.
48:21
Speaker 4: I think it's a great choice. I also think the
48:24
Speaker 4: summary by Rabbi Jack Rebbie Jackobrahmowitz, and you can buy
48:29
Speaker 4: the summaries. He can file them into uh. I think
48:32
Speaker 4: it's called the Nakayomi Companion. So yeah, there's there's a
48:37
Speaker 4: lot of different ways in I I think that you know,
48:43
Speaker 4: for for some people they just want to open up
48:46
Speaker 4: their nah.
48:47
Speaker 1: Well that's great.
48:47
Speaker 4: We don't get a click for that, so we don't
48:49
Speaker 4: know that you're doing it. But that's great podcast.
48:55
Speaker 3: So that's actually a good question. Is like, if I
48:57
Speaker 3: had not mentioned this on q Hewett, you would not
49:00
Speaker 3: be getting a click for me because I'm I printed
49:03
Speaker 3: the schedule and then you don't get any more business
49:07
Speaker 3: from me. Interesting, Okay, So I wonder how many do
49:11
Speaker 3: you have any estimates of how many people are doing Knachaomi?
49:14
Speaker 4: So we know that subscribed.
49:17
Speaker 3: Oh I still subscribe. Oh I I read the Jack summaries,
49:21
Speaker 3: so maybe you do get it.
49:22
Speaker 4: So when you open your email, we get that's one
49:24
Speaker 4: level of click open, you know, the open email rate.
49:28
Speaker 4: Then there's the click on the o U Torah link.
49:31
Speaker 4: We in terms of subscribe somewhere around I think twenty
49:38
Speaker 4: definitely more than twenty two thousand subscribe. Now, not everybody
49:41
Speaker 4: listens every day, so I would say in terms of
49:43
Speaker 4: daily listening, we're somewhere around six seven thousand andcdotally, I
49:48
Speaker 4: do think it's more. I hear from people all the time,
49:52
Speaker 4: and it used to not be that way. But I'll
49:54
Speaker 4: go to a wedding. I almost I don't do this
49:57
Speaker 4: because that it would be so socially, but I almost
50:01
Speaker 4: want to stop the band, like, could you just pause
50:04
Speaker 4: for a second, raise your hand. If you do not, Kayomi,
50:07
Speaker 4: you can continue.
50:08
Speaker 2: Now.
50:08
Speaker 4: Obviously I don't do that, but there's so many people
50:12
Speaker 4: who are doing this. I think one of the most
50:14
Speaker 4: delightful stories that I had was I commute from Philadelphia
50:19
Speaker 4: to New York. I'm in New York twice a week
50:21
Speaker 4: at the office, and usually it's no problem.
50:26
Speaker 1: You know, I do this.
50:27
Speaker 4: It's no cognitive load. I'm an autopilot. I'm a New
50:30
Speaker 4: Yorker by birth.
50:32
Speaker 2: You know.
50:32
Speaker 1: I love the rhythm of the subways.
50:34
Speaker 4: I feel like I can sort of like hold you know,
50:36
Speaker 4: I could even do it not holding on. I don't
50:38
Speaker 4: think that's why, so I do but surfing, okay, subways, yeah,
50:42
Speaker 4: not on the top, not just but one evening I
50:46
Speaker 4: come to the subway and you know, this is the
50:49
Speaker 4: announcement that nobody wants to hear this. You know, subway
50:52
Speaker 4: line is suspended. In order to you know, pick up
50:54
Speaker 4: the you have to go. I had to go backward,
50:57
Speaker 4: which is very demoralizing. I have to get back to Philadelphi,
51:00
Speaker 4: and now I'm going backward anyway. A couple of subway
51:03
Speaker 4: switches stations that I'm not.
51:05
Speaker 1: Familiar with, but again I'm a New Yorker. I'm fine.
51:08
Speaker 4: And I get onto a subway car and there's a
51:11
Speaker 4: woman sitting in front of me, and it was it
51:15
Speaker 4: was clear not just from the Mischbacher magazine that she
51:18
Speaker 4: was reading, but that she was, you know, religious, she
51:20
Speaker 4: was Orthodox. And she looks up and she looks at
51:24
Speaker 4: me and she says, are you Nachyomi? And I was
51:29
Speaker 4: like that was a holy link because I could have
51:33
Speaker 4: gone onto any subway car on that train, in any entrance,
51:37
Speaker 4: and here I end up in front of her. And
51:38
Speaker 4: then we started to talk and you're doing it in
51:40
Speaker 4: this cycle, and what do you think? And it was
51:43
Speaker 4: such a gift to meet the people, because I don't
51:45
Speaker 4: always get to meet the people, and to have that conversation.
51:49
Speaker 4: Of course, when I came back to the office and
51:51
Speaker 4: I repeated this to Rebbi Jack, he said, I thought
51:54
Speaker 4: I wasna Riyomi. I said, you know what, I'll be
51:57
Speaker 4: Tordi mercha you be Norio and I.
52:02
Speaker 3: Love it, and we'll have to send this podcast. Well, you.
52:05
Speaker 3: I'm a scientist. You will have to send this podcast
52:07
Speaker 3: to the woman who tipped you off that I mentioned. Yes,
52:11
Speaker 3: Joshua On.
52:13
Speaker 1: Yes, I will, I will, I will do that. I
52:16
Speaker 1: will do that.
52:17
Speaker 4: This was This was delightful. And just one last point
52:21
Speaker 4: to the listeners. I always say one park or one
52:24
Speaker 4: chapter is one chapter more because you know, when you
52:28
Speaker 4: start out and you say to yourself, my gosh, like
52:30
Speaker 4: there is no way, how in the world am I
52:33
Speaker 4: going to read study remember all of this.
52:37
Speaker 1: Even if you do ten chapters or.
52:40
Speaker 4: You do one book, that's one book that you didn't
52:44
Speaker 4: know before and you know now, and that you're able
52:46
Speaker 4: to connect and to a narrative, to a story, to
52:52
Speaker 4: words that are that span thousands of years, and they're
52:57
Speaker 4: the fact that we can plug into that and and
53:01
Speaker 4: touch these words and hear these words and learn and
53:04
Speaker 4: study together be part of this. This greater community is
53:09
Speaker 4: is just is really exceptional.
53:11
Speaker 3: Really Yes, I was thinking that as I was standing
53:14
Speaker 3: in the city of David and they're talking about like
53:17
Speaker 3: you know, dead sea scrolls and different sort of like
53:19
Speaker 3: excerpts that they found over the time. It's so crazy
53:24
Speaker 3: and it is a wink from God that all of
53:26
Speaker 3: this still exists and we're all still reading it. And
53:30
Speaker 3: you know, you can look at an inscription of like
53:33
Speaker 3: a tombstone and you can say like that says Abraham,
53:36
Speaker 3: that says so we.
53:38
Speaker 4: Had we we had a celebration. I'll send you the link.
53:41
Speaker 4: Maybe you could even post it in the in the
53:43
Speaker 4: notes today where we went on a virtual tour of
53:48
Speaker 4: the of that area in Jerusalem.
53:50
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
53:51
Speaker 4: The title of the program was Stone's that Speak?
53:54
Speaker 3: I saw and that's from City of David. That's an
53:57
Speaker 3: amazing book. I super recommend that.
53:59
Speaker 4: But was that the name of the book We came
54:00
Speaker 4: up with that, I think with a little help from
54:02
Speaker 4: Chat Okay.
54:03
Speaker 3: No, but you saw it from So there's a book
54:05
Speaker 3: called Stones that Speak, I think, and it's about City
54:09
Speaker 3: of David. My husband Seth viewed it for Commentary magazine.
54:14
Speaker 3: And did I call in that favor and get a
54:16
Speaker 3: VIP tour of City of David when we were there? Yes?
54:18
Speaker 3: I did good. I'm sorry. It was the best place
54:22
Speaker 3: we went to in Israel. So if people are planning
54:24
Speaker 3: trips to Israel, city of is must but also Jeron
54:28
Speaker 3: Spielman Spielman, I think his last name is he? You
54:32
Speaker 3: should absolutely read that book, because it blew my mind
54:37
Speaker 3: how he excavated city of David.
54:39
Speaker 4: So here so she was actually she took a sort
54:41
Speaker 4: of book by the Southern Wall and the Western Wall
54:43
Speaker 4: and the extension of the Western Wall. But to the
54:45
Speaker 4: point that you just made somebody, I said, etched. She said,
54:49
Speaker 4: they actually used the word graffiti in uh in archaeological terms.
54:53
Speaker 4: But someone wrote thousands of years ago a piece of
54:58
Speaker 4: the verse from Isaiah. Yes, and here we are, and
55:02
Speaker 4: so you know, we're part of a chain. And that's
55:07
Speaker 4: a very powerful message in a world where you sometimes
55:10
Speaker 4: feel free floating and you know, am I am I
55:13
Speaker 4: part of a community? Yes, if you're learning this, you're
55:16
Speaker 4: part of a community. We're part of a community, a
55:19
Speaker 4: community of growth, a community of learning, and a community
55:22
Speaker 4: of elevating our you know, ourselves, one one chapter at
55:26
Speaker 4: a time.
55:27
Speaker 3: I love it. What a perfect place to end. I
55:28
Speaker 3: just want to real quick because somebody around there in
55:30
Speaker 3: their community is yelling at me right now. It's called
55:33
Speaker 3: When the Stones Speak by Jern Spielman. Okay, it's amazing.
55:39
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for taking this time so much.
55:41
Speaker 3: This was so fun and I look forward to our
55:45
Speaker 3: sum in Israel, where I will you.
55:49
Speaker 4: Know, sounds great, and I will, and I'll say I
55:53
Speaker 4: look forward to our next conversation.
55:55
Speaker 3: There you go, There you go, all right, until next week,
55:58
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