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Ep. 530: Turkey Week - Gobblers Made in America · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: we're having an outdoor gear manufacturing convention. Did you catch that? Dave?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I got that. Okay, that's probably all I'll get today.
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  Speaker 1: Joining party by Dave Smith, and we're gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: clear something up right away. Dave isn't hearing everything. And
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  Speaker 1: last time he was on the show, his wife told
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  Speaker 1: him he sounded arrogant. I didn't catch because he'll just
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  Speaker 1: he was just missing parts. Are you open about this? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I explain to your problem.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, my wife before this, she gave
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  Speaker 3: me some words of encouragement. She said, she said, remember, Dave,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to be funny, charming and intellectual, just
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  Speaker 3: be yourself. So I was like that that really helped
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  Speaker 3: a lot. But yeah, I just I can't hear shit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just way too much shooting and with
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  Speaker 3: without wearing hearing protection and guiding. And I've taken as
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  Speaker 3: many as twenty four goose hunters by myself on one hunt.
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  Speaker 2: And so don't don't be Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Wear hearing protection because it sucks when you get in
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  Speaker 3: this situation, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he's got isolated, You got your hearing aids in.
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  Speaker 2: Got him, got him cranked up. We'll do the best
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  Speaker 2: I can.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're at home thinking, man, Dave guy's an
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  Speaker 1: arrogant bastard. He may be, it's just that he can't hear.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's gonna be a problem for today.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Joined also by Jason Phelps, the team from the founder
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  Speaker 1: of Phelps Game Calls. Joined by the Lewises from f
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  Speaker 1: HF GEAR. Yep, I won't say say a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more now.
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  Speaker 4: What you want us to say?
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  Speaker 1: The highly ever Bowls, the highly ver Bowls Paul Lewis
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  Speaker 1: and John Lewis from FHF Gear.
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  Speaker 4: My wife's here to tell me that same encouragement.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to give you live feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because you guys are designers, like you guys are designers,
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  Speaker 1: so you spend a lot of time just not you
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of quiet time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we just that'd be.
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  Speaker 1: The goal anyway, It is the goal.
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  Speaker 6: We just got done with the shows down in Salt
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  Speaker 6: Lake and Portland, and for me at least, like my
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  Speaker 6: voice is gone by the first day because I'm I'm
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  Speaker 6: used to sitting in sitting in it, like Dave said,
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  Speaker 6: a dark dungeon and not talking to anybody. So yeah,
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  Speaker 6: needs to exercise the vocal cords a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Are you all visited out after doing trade shows?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we both get where we need to.
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  Speaker 6: Just this will be the most socialization. We'll do probably
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  Speaker 6: for the next week or so. How many trade shows
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  Speaker 6: did you go to?
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  Speaker 7: This is number two we have of three four, so
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  Speaker 7: we have three more.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I try not to keep track.
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  Speaker 6: But it's a lot, a lot of people, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of talking. All yeah, man, but it's good. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I enjoy seeing seeing the customers and like getting that feedback.
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  Speaker 4: It just my voice goes out fairly early in the
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  Speaker 4: trip usually.
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  Speaker 1: Phelps, Did you like doing trade shows?
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  Speaker 4: I love them.
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  Speaker 8: They do they wear on you, though. I mean, I
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  Speaker 8: like being at them, but I'm not in the same breath.
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  Speaker 8: I'm glad that they were on the same weekend this
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  Speaker 8: year and they're just done and over with. But no,
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  Speaker 8: it's always good to catch up with your customers and
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  Speaker 8: listen to hunting stories and shoot the crap.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I liked that I didn't know you
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  Speaker 1: guys had is at your booth. You have that chart
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  Speaker 1: that like game call that that the major ram call matrix.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just because you spend so much time explaining
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  Speaker 8: the same thing, so it's easy to point, you know,
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  Speaker 8: and like, hey, this calls down here, this calls up here.
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  Speaker 9: I would have rigged it, so it was work like
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  Speaker 9: had a goal, so work better, works better, works better,
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  Speaker 9: then nobody leads to a high price margin.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I thought we could. I was gonna say, at
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  Speaker 1: some point, we're not going to buy the ones that
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  Speaker 1: work worse. But I get that damage the sales on
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  Speaker 1: the little on the little working calls Clay's here. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make anything. All his trust, all his stuff is
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  Speaker 1: written in words.
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  Speaker 10: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: He makes a little. He makes cute carvings and artworks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did you see your picture out there?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: Man, yeah, krink.
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  Speaker 1: He grabbed the picture so we can show the picture again.
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  Speaker 10: Finally made it. Made it.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing you know, we're doing a T shirt design.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard about that.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I'm gonna show it again.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, I was gonna say, I was going to ask
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  Speaker 10: you a question, Jason about your trade shows. Are you
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  Speaker 10: the guy that's elk bugling like NonStop, just like just
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  Speaker 10: like attracting attention?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then like the specially because this is where
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  Speaker 8: I put it, Clay, can you and your own words
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  Speaker 8: quickly explained?
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  Speaker 10: So a couple of years ago I found this at
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  Speaker 10: my mom and dad's house and had completely forgotten that
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  Speaker 10: I had drawn this when I was a junior in
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  Speaker 10: high school in art class. It's a pen and ink
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  Speaker 10: of a muscled up dude, like a future man, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: with a machine gun shooting a big hog in a
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  Speaker 10: cyper swamp. And I made a living in high school
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  Speaker 10: man off drawing muscled up guys. I don't know what
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  Speaker 10: it was, but I was like, I just like drew
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  Speaker 10: those guys NonStop. And I think this is a This
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  Speaker 10: is the first time I've realized this. This is a
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  Speaker 10: spin off the Bo Jackson wearing his wearing his shoulder
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  Speaker 10: pads with the with a baseball bat. Yeah were you
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  Speaker 10: do you remember you? Oh, this was inspired by that, well,
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  Speaker 10: the shoulder pads. He's wearing football shoulder pads.
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  Speaker 1: He's been on the show.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Bo Jackson man, Now he had Bo Jackson had
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  Speaker 10: a famous baseball card or football card where he had
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  Speaker 10: his shirt off, shoulder pads on with a baseball bat.
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  Speaker 10: I think that's what inspired the shoulder pads. But yeah,
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  Speaker 10: so we're gonna make a T shirt machine gun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that'd be a good name for the shirt.
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  Speaker 10: That's what I think. That's what we referred to it as.
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  Speaker 1: That's great, it's great.
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  Speaker 2: Artwork that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and then uh, Dave Smith. Of course you're from
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  Speaker 1: from uh D s D. You know, how do you
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  Speaker 1: guys handle that there's Dave Smith decoys and then D
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  Speaker 1: S D decoys. Have ever asked you about this?
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  Speaker 3: So I've always tried to push D s D because
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  Speaker 3: it sounds less because arrogant.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly because you're arrogant.
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  Speaker 3: So I meant at the beginning, I wanted to call
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  Speaker 3: them zombies zombie decoys, and that just didn't stick. You know,
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  Speaker 3: people were just like, you know, you got to go
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  Speaker 3: get Dave Smith, you know, if you got any of
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  Speaker 3: Dave Smith, and that just sort of that just sort
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  Speaker 3: of happened.
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  Speaker 2: So but now you know, we're.
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  Speaker 3: A larger you know, larger company and part of a
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  Speaker 3: larger company and everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't it just so you're comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: I don't offend Jason because of the Felps scholar or
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  Speaker 3: whatever like that. But I just like felt like it's
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  Speaker 3: it's a I have, you know, not I'm not like
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the big decision maker on everything, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mostly do the artwork part of it and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. So it's a there's so much contributors to
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  Speaker 3: DSD that I wanted to make sure that it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: all about me.
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  Speaker 1: So you're comfortable to be in DSD decoys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever d s D.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, DSD Decoys doesn't really make sense because it's
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  Speaker 3: Dave Smith decoy, so it'd be like, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I'm I'm changing Phelps game calls the PGC after him
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  Speaker 8: talking about arrogance and his name.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna Philips.
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  Speaker 1: We're going back to PGC.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man, already, already, I'm alreadysier to say than f
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  Speaker 2: h F.
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  Speaker 1: Joined also by Brad Cochran, who's never been on the
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  Speaker 1: show before. Brad Cochran from DSD.
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  Speaker 12: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I want to get to something. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get something about your decoy philosophy. Okay, we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it later. He well, no, we'll I want to
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  Speaker 1: touch on then we'll delve into it later. You you, uh, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you need to just go all the way.
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  Speaker 10: You always do this. You always go you touch on
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  Speaker 10: like the most thing, and you're like, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 10: back to it. Just go for it, Okay, just let's
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  Speaker 10: go all in.
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  Speaker 1: You uh all right, you have a rule that you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to shoot. Now you've bushwacked turkeys in the
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  Speaker 1: past and done all the oh sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean I got into turkey hunting when I was
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  Speaker 12: fourteen years old, so you know, I imagine, like a lot
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  Speaker 12: of new turkey hunters, it was all about getting a bird, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah in the beginning, and belly crawling, bushwacking, yeah, ditch crawling, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: strangling whatever it took. Yeah, but you got now you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hunt them if you're not using a decoy.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Walk me through that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons for it,
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  Speaker 12: I would say, first and foremost, for me, it's really
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  Speaker 12: about the the experience I've found that there. There's just
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  Speaker 12: there's there's nothing quite as memorable to me as having
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  Speaker 12: that really close encounter, and with decoys, I can draw
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  Speaker 12: them in as close as I want. Essentially, you know,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, obviously I have to be concealed. That's certainly
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  Speaker 12: an important component to it. But there's also you know,
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  Speaker 12: it's it's challenging. I like to let I like to
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  Speaker 12: let my season, you know, I like it to last
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  Speaker 12: more than three days. We have a six week long
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  Speaker 12: season in Oregon. Back home so.
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  Speaker 1: How many turkeys you guys a loud three? Really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: One per day, three per season.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are you turkey numbers holding up?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: They are. Our turkeys are doing really well.
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  Speaker 1: When you when you're when you say that that there's
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  Speaker 1: a trick to it, do you feel that there's a
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  Speaker 1: trick to how you set him out? Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, you know you want them to be visible
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  Speaker 12: for sure, And I think it's really important that you
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  Speaker 12: go into your hunt knowing that. Okay, my goal is
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  Speaker 12: to decoy a bird, right, So my mindset isn't that
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  Speaker 12: I want to get a bird however I possibly can.
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  Speaker 12: It is I want to draw a bird into the
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  Speaker 12: decoy before I shoot it.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to spur it at decoy, you know.
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  Speaker 12: I mean not necessarily, because sometimes I might just be
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  Speaker 12: using a hand decoy, Like if I'm archery hunting, for example,
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  Speaker 12: I've had better success with just a single hand decoy
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  Speaker 12: because the bird is more likely to either come in
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  Speaker 12: full strut and he's not moving versus you know, when
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  Speaker 12: you put a gobbler decoy out. Oftentimes the bird's responses
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  Speaker 12: is that they're very aggressive when they come in. They
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  Speaker 12: come running in, they come you know, kicking the shit
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  Speaker 12: out of the decoy and you're sitting there and you're
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  Speaker 12: waiting for the bird to stop, and you know general
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  Speaker 12: rule of thumb, I would say, I need a good
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  Speaker 12: five seconds to get drawn back, you know, find my
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  Speaker 12: my aiming point, and then let my arrowfly. And that
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  Speaker 12: can be really difficult if you've got a bird that
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  Speaker 12: is so pissed off at your gobbler decoy that he
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  Speaker 12: just won't stop, you know, eating the hell out of it.
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  Speaker 12: So I've found that shooting a bird in full strut
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  Speaker 12: is ideal, and actually the most ideal is when you
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  Speaker 12: can get a bird to climb up on top of
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  Speaker 12: your hand decoy. So we make a decoy called our
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  Speaker 12: mating hand decoy. She's actually laying on her belly and
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  Speaker 12: she's she's in a breeding position. It's a very natural
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  Speaker 12: looking breeding position and it's really effective because it's super
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  Speaker 12: stable and it's it's one of my favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Well they climb up there, Yeah, don't you think that
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised he doesn't show up and think, like, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way that just laying out there a breeding
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  Speaker 1: position real quick? Usually do you think that.
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  Speaker 2: I hunt?
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  Speaker 1: So one of the places that hut my buddy, Uh
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  Speaker 1: Doug Durren's place for the youth season, and and uh
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you get where uh you get where gobblers won't
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  Speaker 1: come out. You know, they'll know that decoys out there.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think when a gobler won't come out and
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  Speaker 1: it just wants to like watch that decoy and then
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  Speaker 1: shy off from a gop from a male decoy, do
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  Speaker 1: you think is that he don't buy it or you
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  Speaker 1: think that he don't want to go out and tussle
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 12: I would say, I mean, it's just if it's is
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  Speaker 12: one of our decoys. I mean, is it a realistic
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  Speaker 12: looking decoy we're talking about, or.
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  Speaker 1: Just say like whatever, yeah, like yeah, one of your decoys.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, in that situation, I would say, you know, assuming
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  Speaker 12: that you know, your height is good and he didn't
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  Speaker 12: see somebody move or pick you out or call terribly yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 12: then yeah, maybe he's just not in the mood to
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  Speaker 12: challenge another.
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  Speaker 1: Bird because uh, the way he's got set it up.
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  Speaker 1: He's got like this trail cam and we'll set up
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  Speaker 1: and sit and he'll he'll be like, oh yeah, every
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  Speaker 1: day that bird comes out and does whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And then so me and my kids go out there
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  Speaker 1: and we set up like a you know, a pack
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  Speaker 1: of them and uh using that using a half strutter,
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  Speaker 1: and he might come down and see that and not
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  Speaker 1: like it. But if it's just a hen right out now,
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  Speaker 1: I was warm. If that bird doesn't want to get
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  Speaker 1: his ass kicked.
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  Speaker 8: Sometimes I would say that it's the difference because then
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  Speaker 8: the other ones, you know, and then you might get
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  Speaker 8: one just runs out there like.
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  Speaker 1: Totally intent on fighting that thing. Yeah, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: they got different moods or whatever.
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  Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying, right, And that's why we
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  Speaker 12: make gobbler and hen decoys and multiple different poses. You know,
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  Speaker 12: you see our strutter decoy over there, and he's a
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  Speaker 12: very dominant that's a very dominant pose right there, and
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  Speaker 12: any gobbler that season knows that he's asserting himself. Whereas
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  Speaker 12: that one over there, which I'm going to call the
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  Speaker 12: half strut bake because that's really what it is, and
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  Speaker 12: that way Dave doesn't kill me. Somewhere along the lines,
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  Speaker 12: that got called the three quarter shrud Jake, and it
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  Speaker 12: got printed on a UPC label and put on five
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  Speaker 12: hundred boxes shipping to bass pro shops.
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  Speaker 1: He was three quarter strudding.
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  Speaker 12: He's actually half strutting. That's the intention of that decoy.
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  Speaker 12: So we're going to call it the half strut, Jake,
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  Speaker 12: even though it technically, if you look on our website,
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  Speaker 12: it's called the three quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Shread, Jake, tell me about the unhappiness. You just think
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  Speaker 1: it's goofy to say something's three quarter strutting, three quarter
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  Speaker 1: crow rams.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I mean I put a
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  Speaker 3: lot of effort in to the poses and make sure
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  Speaker 3: I try to make him as accurate as possible and
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  Speaker 3: everything like that, and that is a half strut, Jake.
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  Speaker 12: I think what you have to realize here, Steve, is
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  Speaker 12: that Dave he studies birds obviously a lot, and and
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  Speaker 12: their anatomy, and there are you know, there there are
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  Speaker 12: other there are other poses that would be close more
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  Speaker 12: closely resemble a three quarter Strutchach. In other words, he
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  Speaker 12: there are poses between that decoy that are closer to
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  Speaker 12: a bird that's in full strut like that one right there,
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  Speaker 12: It would be more appropriate to call a three quarter
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  Speaker 12: stretch ache.
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  Speaker 1: You know those shirts to show like the evolution to man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we should do one of make it like ten steps
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  Speaker 1: toward full strut. Yea with the fractions. Yeah, the first
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  Speaker 1: one be like hanging out and then at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the turkey in full strut, and it just shows
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  Speaker 1: him'd be great decoy guy. We should cancel that about that,
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  Speaker 1: we should cancel that that future man and just do
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  Speaker 1: the thing on the way to the thing to.
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  Speaker 10: Help people be able to describe what they're seeing. Like
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: if I'm telling the story, I'm like, man a turkey
• 17:14
  Speaker 10: with seven eight strut.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: How often do you how often do you see that?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: You know, when Jake's come in, Jake's come in and
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: get nervous about Jake's come in and get nervous about strutters?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about.
• 17:28
  Speaker 12: They can, they can?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: What do you think that what's going on in your head?
• 17:33
  Speaker 12: I would say that most of the time, Jakes are
• 17:35
  Speaker 12: probably intimidated by a strutter decoy if they're not gonna
• 17:40
  Speaker 12: approach it. But I've had I've had even individual Jakes
• 17:44
  Speaker 12: come up and attack our strutter. That's what I'm likely
• 17:46
  Speaker 12: to happen.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to get to next, is
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: when you get a handful of them and they're going
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: to take it on.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had situations where I was hunting one big
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Tom and he absolutely would not come in because there's
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: three jakes and my decoys, and I couldn't get rid
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: of the jakes. I'm finally I'm like, maybe I should
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: just start shooting the jakes or something that's gonna be frustrating.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: But it's like with everything too, even with the dear dycoy.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I've had bucks step out and see the dear decoy
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm super excited, and I'm like, I know it's
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: a buck that has been aggressive before, and then it's
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: just like on this day, he just doesn't want to
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: deal with it. And I always thought that individuals were
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: in their certain pecking order turkeys or deer, and that
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: that that's how they'll always be. But even their mood
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: can change within the hour or day to day and
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: There's no situation where like, at a minimum, you're gonna
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: use a hen, right, and then there's no situation. Have
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you ever set out have you? Do you ever use
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: no hen and.
• 18:48
  Speaker 12: Just a gobbler decoy? Yeah, maybe it's happened before. If
• 18:55
  Speaker 12: it has happened, it was probably because I was just
• 18:58
  Speaker 12: trying to move really quickly and I only felt like
• 19:01
  Speaker 12: I had time, you know, maybe to grab one decoy
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: and and set one decoy, because the draw of a
• 19:07
  Speaker 12: gobbler decoy is that, you know, if you have an
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: aggressive bird, oftentimes that that might be the only tool
• 19:15
  Speaker 12: you have to draw him away from his hens, is
• 19:20
  Speaker 12: to threaten him with another gobbler who's who's challenging him.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Then he might kind of he might want to come
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in rough.
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah, because if a bird has five hens with him
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: and he sees another hen, you know, sure he might.
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: He might gobble at you, but he's he's not gonna leave.
• 19:36
  Speaker 12: He's not going to leave the real deal. And so
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: just generally speaking, I would say that you're gonna have
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: better success with a gobbler decoy if a birds end up.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: One of the things I like watching is uh, I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like watching the hen come up to a hen and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: how they get like gradually really pissed. At first they're
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like purring at it, and pretty soon like hey, what's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: your problem? And then they're like packing it. I've had
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: them come in and like lay down next to it,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like thinking they're hanging out and then get
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: mad at it and pack it. You watch them go
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: through this whole little friendship.
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's crazy, you know, keeps.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody entertained with your decoy. I know some tombo Yeah yeah, okay.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I was hunting my boy one time and we had
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: we just had all we had. We had a DSD
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: hen and the hen came out and I'm not kiddy
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: man like laid down with it, just set there forever,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: laid down not moving and then got irritated at it
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and like purred at it, got eyeball to eyeball with it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Was just not getting what it wanted out of it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: packing at it, you know, bullying it because the.
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: Hen wasn't saying anything back. I don't know, I can't
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: tell questions. It wasn't responding.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And that in that same spot where that happened, we
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: had a KYO come over and roll that thing, which happens, yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: which happens pretty frequently, come out and roll it. They
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: more reliably roll the decoys than like a predator caller decoy.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: They'll charge it a lot of times, you know, it's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just a predator caller sitting there with a little tail waving.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: They'll charge it and then they'll change their mind. But
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the decoys they go for it. I think cause it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: looks like they get there and it looks like what
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they're expecting. It doesn't look like a plastic box with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a chunk of tail hanging off it. And then do you, uh,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: do you change, like, do you change your setup? You
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about youth season? You seasons always
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: real early. When I talk about having having like where
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you see like a bird, he seems like he doesn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: want to duke it out, you know, and he's like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit shy about coming up to his strutter decoy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But that's early, right, you would still be snow on
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the ground. So do you change how you set your
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: decoys throughout the season?
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: Sure, I mean that it changes as the season progressives,
• 22:11
  Speaker 12: but it also you know, it can it could depend on,
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: you know, an individual bird that I might be going
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: after or so it's not necessarily what I'd use for
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: decoys doesn't necessarily correlate with the time of the season.
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: A lot of times back home, our birds are still
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: pretty flocked up during the youth hunt because that's the
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: weekend before our season. Sure, we're April fifteenth, and the
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: Saturday and Sunday prior to April fifteenth is the youth hunt.
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: So you know, I mean a lot of times we'll
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: be setting up on you know, maybe the roost is
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: holding thirty forty birds, and a week or two later
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: there's only you know, maybe fifteen. So a lot of
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: times during that youth hunt, you're actually not hunting too
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: many individual gobblers, but there's lots of groups of you know, three,
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: four or five birds running around and they're pretty dang aggressive.
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: You put a gobbler decoy out and it doesn't really
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: matter what it is, they're going to come attack it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: What's the most decoys you ever set out at one time?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: You'll put a whole flock out, like you're hunting geese.
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: Probably the most that I've ever put out is maybe five,
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: five or so.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But when we go hunt with Matt Winners, he puts
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: out like twelve.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, they're tel turkey decoys.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And we have we have several customers that
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: do that and they just every time they're just shocked
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: at how well it works. And I'm kind of surprised
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: that it works that good because it's like, all of
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: a sudden, the flock of turkeys is, you know, encountering
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: a whole new.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Flock and yeah, they're like I thought I was the flock.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's go mingle. But yeah, it's pretty fun
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: when you, uh, when we have done that. Matt is
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the one who really turned that on the first time
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: we ever went. He's in Kansas. The first time we
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: ever went to go hunt with him, he wanted to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: impress us of how many DSDs he had and he
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: had them all out in his yard and.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Then you wanted to show you what a good customer
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, actually yeah, And he's just been h he's
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: been buying up first light gear the last couple of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: weeks and weeks. He's just like a great supporter of
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: DSP and anything that we do.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: He's just a great guy.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: We love it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: We love him all right.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Give me, like, give me the just give people like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the setup. If people aren't gonna try to figure a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff out and they're not gonna buy
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a dozen and they're just starting out, what do they
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: want to put out? They want to put out a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: strutter and a hen like, just like give it like
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the straightest, most most you know, idiot proof setup for idiots.
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: Well, like I always I asked him first you know
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: about their hunt. First off, are you a shotgun hunter
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: or are you an archery hunter?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Shotgun?
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: Okay, you're a shotgun hunter. Then I get a hen
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: in at Jake decoy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Hending to Jake, Yeah really yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Three quarter strut.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So you just if you're telling someone like, okay, let me,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: let me give you the profile of the guy. There's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a guy. Let's just say there's a guy that knows
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: he's got access on some field and it's not a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: big spot. He's got access on forty acres and now
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and then he notices on his way to work he'll
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: see some turkeys out in the field and he thinks
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to himself, Man, I'm gonna go out in that field
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: on O ME day and I'm gonna sit there. And
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's as much as he knows.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a perfect Jake and a hen Hen guy that,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: like some of the guys, will will start him off
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: with a strutter. If they have like a big boss
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Tom that they've been having, you know, trouble with, that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: the time to put a strutter.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: But it's also.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Trouble well, like they're just they just have been able
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: to get him to go to commit by any other
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: way or with other decoys or something like that. But yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I mean a half stritch jake and a upright hand
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: is a great I mean people have done that for
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: years and years just starting out and had great success
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: with it. And we've had quite a few people at
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the beginning just put out just an upright hand only
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and start with that. But if you can afford two decoys, uh,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Jac and Hen just really covers it. And then after that,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: if you want to improve your odds and you start
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: adding in at least like confidence poses like feeders and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: printers and that kind of that, that kind of helps
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Do you.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: My buddy' Zuck when he's putting them out, he likes
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to put him out where he's like, well, yeah, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: they I could picture him walk in toward that corner,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and you make sure that that they look like they're
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: traveling in direct yeah, into that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we made a striding hand just for that purpose,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: and when some people a little by, three or four
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: of them just for that reason. So we're just trying
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to offer everything and give you lots of options so
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: that everyone's confused.
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: Is there any decoy company that makes realistic looking feet
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: turkey feet.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I don't know why.
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: That's the only part of any decoy that's not realistic.
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: But I mean, by the time they get that close,
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: it's probably two heats in the grass. But I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: you know they've they've all got the state coming down.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: And I mean a turkey turkey feet are kind of bright,
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: you know that bright pink. I just wondered if there's
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: like if you could and it maybe maybe it's it's
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: not a factor.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: But there are some things that I can't tell you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I can't say right now, but we we we agree it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: Could be like a detachable bipod. I bet I don't
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: have any inside intel here.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'll shut out. Oh, I can tell what Dave can't say. Yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I mean I've detected not can tell. I can't tell you.
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: I've got some ideas, But.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, feet are a huge part of birds like
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Mallard ducks.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Even sitting on the water.
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: You can see feet are huge, a huge part of it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And Canada geese, especially the large race white cheek geese,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the feet are a huge.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Part of it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And and I've fought that battle with the DSD forever,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: like wanting to have full legs and feet. So we
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: have legs, but we don't have feet. But the feet
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: are really a big part of a goose.
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: How about a little battery pack where they move like this.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So it's you're saying that the feet means something to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a bird. Well, picture that you saw a dude standing
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: on a field with no legs, but he was hovering.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But it's really normal.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because like in our goose hutting, a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: lot of our goose setting is about landing birds and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: having them walking around the decoys. So we somehow we'll
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: use small spreads but get birds to land, and then
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: those are our decoys while we try to get other
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: birds come in in case we want to look for
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a like ban or net collar out of the air.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: And it's like, it's probably okay that the decoys don't
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: have feet while the birds are coming into land. If
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you wanted to shoot at the first flock that came in,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it's probably fine land. But once they land they're walking
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: around the decoys. It does seem like, I mean, the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: decoys hold birds really well, but it does seem like
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: it's just not right that all the decoys are like
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: hovering there on a post.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: It bothers me. I don't know if it bothers the birds, but.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It'd be kind of cool to have the complete bird
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: But usually they're like sitting in grass. But anyways, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: got what you're saying.
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: In your guys line up, when did you start making
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: turkey decoys? Because you all everything like you were like
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: all geese all the time, and then you moved into Brad.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Is the d S historian, and he's good with dates
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's all a blur to me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: So, Brad, it was in eight with our upright hand.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It was in eight with our upright So can we
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: edit that out?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Who's the who paints the Is there a turkey painting specialist?
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: I mean our whole paint crew paints them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, is there like, is it divided
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: out or to the same people that paint geese paint turkeys.
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: Oh that's correct, Yeah, that's how we do it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It's divided out.
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: So if they paint geese, they also paint.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, and they get sick of I They kind of
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: get sick of painting this one thing for for a
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: long long time and they actually like a little bit
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of variety.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: They don't mind going.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: From turkeys to geese and back to you know, turkeys
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and then the deer or something like that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Got it kind of monot monotonous.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, when they paint him, is it a small what
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: is the tool? Is a small airbrush they use?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: They use big touch up guns and then small airbrush
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and then a lot of hand painting too, hm so,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and then there's stencils, stenciling.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want a dog in any particular decoy company,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: but I remember we used to when we were younger.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We'd buy like a certain brand of decoys, and a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: lot of times you'd see where they did it was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: automated or something, because the they'd miss yeah, like the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: white patch, Yeah, the spot, Yeah, like the white man
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: would be around the bag. It's like, yeah, that's so.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But when someone buys one, it's been like there's been
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a dude painting on it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, No, I don't know for sure.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: And there's probably been like five people that contributed to
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: that one decoy because we don't we don't have like
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: individual stations where somebody paints a decoy from start to finish,
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: you know, and put a base later on, and then
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: you know, progressively, step by step it'll move down to
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: the next person and so on and so forth until
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: it's fully painted.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You ever seen But none of those guys wear braids
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and stuff? Do they? With the little palette?
• 32:22
  Speaker 13: We know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: That'd be a good ad campaign. Man's add with a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: brain and a palette doing some touch ups on it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Put some happy little wattles on a turkey.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say, like that, like on
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the like on the streutter, for example, all that red
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: is all painted by hand brush and the entire body colored,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: every bit of pearls and irid essence on that that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: all painted by brush by hand.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: How long does it take to paint a decoy start
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to finish.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: That's you know, we get asked that so often.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And we have no idea. We don't want to I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: don't want to know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: But you don't add it up now.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe Greg does. But yeah, we're working on
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a new decoy right now. That's really really difficult to
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: paint that. I can't I mean I can't really talk
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: about it because we're not positive that will come out
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But it's really really difficult to paint.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh man, if we figured out how many,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, we'll never make a profit with it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: What it supposed to look like? What kind of animal?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: A bird? A bird one that goes quack like a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Himalayan cock of the rock.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a a temis tragopan.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: What makes it hard the positions into the kind of.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Bird it's it's a Mallard duck is what we're working
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: on right now.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: And it's just a lot of you know, there's just
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of airbrushing, a lot of color.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Can I ask a dumb question and don't that's not
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: going to offend people?
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: How much?
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: Does?
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: Doesn't matter? But I'm not I'm not excited. Don't know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: like if the paint's awful a little bit while the
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: birds pick it up, or does it matter ten percent
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: of time?
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: We've just we have just.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: We just decided a long time ago to just make
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: making things as accurate as we possibly can. And I've
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: made fish replicas my whole life. And my mentor was
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: honestly the best fish replica artists on Earth, Ron Pittard,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and he just taught me that you just don't You
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: just don't stop until something's deadly accurate, and then it
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It has made a huge, huge, huge difference. So you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know for sure how much it really matters
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but and it's it's not all about oh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: like I'm doing it for me or anything like that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's like, shit, no, we want we want birds
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: super super super close. We want to make quick, clean kills.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Everything we do is mostly for our own hunting, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: it's to be as absolutely as effective as we can.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: We honestly don't give a shit about you know, how
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: pretty the decoys are, whether they were carved by a
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: world class carver or anything like that. We just we
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: just love to hunt and as effectively as we can.
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: So, I mean, I think but realism is a big
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: deal with turkey decoys. Yeah, I mean big deal because
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: guys were the real serious guys years ago and some
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: still today are are using actual turkey mounts, have real
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: turkey feathers, and if you're if you're trying to get
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: him in close, yeah it's it's a big deal.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You're just hoping it don't rain.
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they get wet.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Oh there's so many guys that they'll say like, wow,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: we don't like turkey decoys or turkey decoys don't work
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: that well and stuff like that. And we've seen a
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: lot of footage of birds coming in and they're just
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: like hanging up and hanging up like crazy, and they're like, yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I see, you know, turkey decoays don't work that good,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: but they're using some brand of turkey decoys.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It just looks horrible.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, that's the problem, and that's telling
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: us a lot, and that's kind of driving what we do.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And it's like most.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Of the time, if we can get those guys to switch,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: then good things happen.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But I think on anything that's real persnickety and it
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: has a ton of components, people can always say, well
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: does that matter, does that matter? Does that matter? And
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: be like, I can tell you that the sum total matters.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And perhaps there's parts within this whole approach that if
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you pulled out it wouldn't affect the outcome, but it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: not discernible. You can't pick the pieces apart. Meaning if
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: someone says, like, just camouflage really matter, I'm like, you're
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: never gonna say I would have gotten that had I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: not been wearing camo exactly. It's like, I don't know
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in every situation if if you call a bull in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: or call a turkey in, and you go like, okay,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rerun the universe and start manipulating
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: slight different things like I wasn't wearing a glove, my
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: turkey was a little shittier, and then my decoy is
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit shittier looking, and then run the scenario
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to the point where you identify the exact thing that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: had to be right or wrong to make it work.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: You don't get there. But if everything's right and you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: just know it works, I don't really care about what
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: parts might have been superfluous. Yeah follow me, Yeah, where
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that globe? I don't know. I just got the turkey.
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's like with goose hunting.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: A lot of it like the hide is so so
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: so important, and you know, the calling isn't is important
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: if if you're calling at all, and so it's like
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: everything really has to be right and you wouldn't want
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to start removing any any part and start taking chances.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like there's no way in the world you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: would say that I would have gotten that gobbler if
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: my decoy wasn't as high quality.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Well, and then also, like Brad is alluding to, you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, you could probably get a gobbler, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: what do you come into ten yards and really interact
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: like crazy with the decoy and just have this breathtaking moment.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, maybe he would have came into thirty
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: yards and you could have you know, dumped in with
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: a shotgun or whatever. Just depends on what level of
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: really fun and excitement you want to take it to.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I sent you guys that video last year of a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of gobblers mounting your posturing him.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we try to look away when that happens, but
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of hard too.
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: I supposed to watch that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get your.
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: Head out of the gutter.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I got one. I got one last bird question,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: one last turkey question. If if the paint job's so
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: realistic and all that, why is there what's up with
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: using a real fan or not a real fan? I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: can't tell if it matters.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've we wanted to make an artificial fan. We
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: still want to just because it's so durable, because those
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: are a pain to deal with for sure. But you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: we haven't been able to make an artificial fan that
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: really has the right finish and and translucency and and
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. And and we haven't seen any available
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that are that way too. And you know, we have
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a spectrometer and we use it occasionally. We probably should
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: use it more or whatever, but so we can kind
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: of check the finish and and the reflection on a
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: real bird or a real fan compared to a decoy
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And we just haven't been able
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: to come up with a real fan that that's durable,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: but we'd love to, you know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, have you ever thought about doing like map
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: spinners and buying and selling fans.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: There's already a company that does that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Does you can call them up and buy a Turkey fan?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Well, we we've we sent some customers to them, but
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: most of our customers will have a you know.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I can stack them, dude, I like every year, I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like go through and and sort them, take the bad ones,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: get rid of them, promote the good ones.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I was just dusting off my fan pile the other
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: day thinking about coming up.
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: Yeah, turkeys are Turkey fans are one of those things
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: like I find my stuff every time I clean a bird.
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: It's sick so hard for to throw it away, you know.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So you think that. Uh so when you're
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: setting up, when you guys are setting up, you're setting
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: up with a real fan if it's a full struck bird,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Huh you know that some uh
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you know that fanning. Some states are starting to come
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: out with rules about creeping up on turkeys with a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: turkey fan.
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yep.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin you can't do that anymore.
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: And I think maybe even in Kansas you can't reap.
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: But don't quote me on that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Can't move how they spelled it out, You can't move around.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: There's some rule you can't like move around with it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and a lot of people have been reaping
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: where they they'll take even ardi KOI and get behind
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: it and start crawling around. And and I've never done myself,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: but I've even my some of my turkey partners have
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: done it. And they'll do it like with three or
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: four guys all behind strutters and crawl, you know, crawling up.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And they've had like this huge bunch of toms just
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: come in and just it's like, you know, it looks
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: like the Civil War or whatever, you know, and come
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: in and just start thrashing them and everything, and then
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: they jump out with shotguns and all that stuff.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: It sounds kind of crazy and it sounds kind of dangerous.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's why there. I think that's why states
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: are clamping down on it. It's just the risk factor.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we don't want people to do that, for sure.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: There's no way, like like I might, there's no way
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I'll let my kid crawl around with a turkey fan
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: on his head, because then my wife be home at
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: what like once she got to understand, you know, if
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: he got whatever sprayed by a load of shotgun shells
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: or load of pellets, and then was asking me about
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: what happened, and I was like, oh, I told him
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to take a Turkey's fan and crawl around out in
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the fields just over his face. She's just gonna get mad.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, So.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I don't do it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: I've got a I've got a design idea for your
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: turkey fan. Okay, I can't tell it. Okay, it's that
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: good Okay, I like it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, Clay, I want you and you and Phillips to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: do heat us up with a little turkey calling actions
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: turkey calling, tell me what you're putting in your mouth?
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: This so this is I just got these from Jason
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: this morning. This is the what is this, Jason? That
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: the tripping hen? Yep, they're usually a little better after
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: you warm them up a little bit, warm them up
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: like body temp. I mean, like for a couple of days.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, that's got a word for.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is.
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: I can't hear myself.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It's tough. Your headphones off.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: It's a good gobble.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That's great, sounds good.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Your gobbles a little too high pitch?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a real white call.
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: Have you ever heard of hen try to gobble?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You know? No, I know people talk about this, but no.
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's extremely high pitched.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Trying to gobbler. Is it just a hen vocalization?
• 43:33
  Speaker 12: For sure. I've seen them actually like throw their head forward.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: And two years ago I had a Hen come in
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: in full straut and I was filming by myself.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. I haven't seen that happen too much.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: But it phelps youat this up?
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: Well you what's your little bird app that you? You
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: say this isn't a woodpecker? You're no, I'm I just
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: want to remind you because you're gonna say that it's
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: not a woodpecker, but I whatever this is I got
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: Oh goodness.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Are you really trying to do it? I feel like no,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: I was just bringing up that I called this woodpecker,
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: but you reminded me last time that it wasn't.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, sound ideas on. You're not gonna trick it. Hold on,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you don't think it's gonna pick up. He's not gonna
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: trick it, really do you'll trick so do some hand calling. Okay,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I got it up. It says listening for birds. You'll
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: trick it with a hen call. Because I can trick
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it with a hen call. You gotta get better than that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's something with being in a room or something. Okay,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: phelps you hit it, you stop from it. You hit
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the new woodpecker. Call no, no, hit turkey.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Call?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Oh no, who just did something? He no, I just
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: took a minute. I got wild turkey. I think it's slow.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's because I finally started calling I'm a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: little better than Clay. You call it, okay, hit it, Okay,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: he's banging it, Clay, that's a new call. Try something different.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You're not getting it, Phelps, but didn't bring it then,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: so I think we got No, it's not that we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: just got a problem.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: What's the cut? I don't know. It's Jason the what
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the cut?
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: I think he's got. We actually split a bat wing
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: on that one, so it's a split down the middle.
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: And this is a combo cut with we nicked the
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: second layer a little bit on the open side.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: On this one.
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: This is a really really light call, like all prof
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: and then that one's a little bit yeah, I mean
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: by light call so we can layer in. You know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: most of your tricky calls, there are a lot of doubles,
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: but I would say the majority of your tricky calls
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: are going to be triple three pieces of latex. So
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: like when this one be an ultra light the new
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: Rain series, it's got prof you know, prophylactic, profilactic, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: a very light piece of latex on top that's cut.
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: So this call is going to call way lighter than
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: like a call that Clay has, you know, like three five.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: You know, now you're stacking latex. It's almost twice as
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: thick as this for every piece. So it's to try
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: to you know, have a louder you can cut on
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: that call up better located, a little bit louder where
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: this is going to be more of your real intri kate,
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: you know, low volume bubble clucks, yelps.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But lighter is easier for beginners to learn. You don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: have to learn how to force as much air.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know you can get into like different
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: styles of tricky callers, you know, like the old school
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: guys they call like a huff style where you're using
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: like a lot of diaphragm, a lot of air. Where
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: like these new calls, it's like just real light air.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: You're not having to just you know, get rid of
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: so much so much air. O can't rip on that
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: one a little bit. This No, no, not the woodpecker yet.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: I liked you did a woodpecker. The perf not real
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: good this morning, Clay, you're digging around. I know what
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: you got nowt Now he's got the casper, which will
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: be like our ultra light.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Like ghost cuts like.
• 47:31
  Speaker 14: Kiki's Merlin's Merlin's perking right up on that one.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So it likes a little higher pitch call. Well, like
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I said, it likes everything when you're outside.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember the.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: One time you were sitting on a tree and you
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: had like forty two birds going no, like like, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: think it's something weird happens when you're outside any like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: any kind of turkey column, it will usually like picker,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: start bringing it. Yeah, now let me see your let
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: me see your woodpecker. So this is our new guy
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: work with James Harrison again. But I want, I want
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Clay tell them our woodpecker problem, the woodpecker debate.
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: Which one man about I rebuild woodpeckers.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: About my blue jay call and all that.
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: Oh just like just just like shot shot gobbling calls shot.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what me and Clay's debate is about
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: shot gobblin.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: I think that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I think that a good shot gobble is something that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: gets shot gobbles. Yeah, Clay thinks a good shot gobble
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: is something that sounds exactly like accurate, like a bird
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: an owl. Right, I don't care if it sounds like
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I had, Like I like, hey, if you want shot gobbles.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I've said, so you'd be you.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: Want if you want to about two different things.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm moderate. If we're talking about turkey hunt we're
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: talking about turkey decoys, We're talking about turkey calls. Okay, right,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: we're talking about turkey hunting, right right, So set in
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the scene talking about turkey hunting. Okay, we're here to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: talk about turkey hunting. Yes, been talking about turkey hunting.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Shot gobbles are elicited by in my view, shock op
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: gobbles are best elicited by like sudden, very sharp, disruptive sounds.
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: Correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, are you done?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: He is not that turkey is not sitting there thinking God,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: was that a real albel He's not, but he when
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: he gobbled, he gobbles, he gobbles quicker and he can think.
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with you. The difference between what you're
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: doing and what I'm trying to do and what I
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: appreciate and realism and all levels of woodsmanship is the
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: difference between in casting and fly fishing. The difference because
• 50:04
  Speaker 10: when I go into the woods, it's it's it's like
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: it's like now, not necessarily me. I'm not the best
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: out hooter nor the best turkey caller. But you go
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: down with some of some of these guys from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas.
• 50:18
  Speaker 10: These guys that man, they out hoot with their mouth.
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: They sound like a turkey. I mean, you just fit
• 50:23
  Speaker 10: into nature. So it is really a stylistic thing.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could go out and do a spin casting.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Fly casting.
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: I mean it's the same thing like.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You think, you think a really good bad you think
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: there's you think a really good bass fisherman style, a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: really good bass fisherman that can land that that can
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: land three eight times.
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: That was a great analogy. You see what I'm saying.
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: I mean it's like in the woods. I don't want
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: people to know, Wow, Steven Ell just slammed his.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Cardiff or has an air horn.
• 50:51
  Speaker 10: Ye, you're like, you just want to sound like I
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: was what I was resenting.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: And I resent this more than your take on owl
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: hooting and all that. No, I appreciate it, good owl hoot.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't think it in terms of getting
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a gobble.
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: I don't think it does.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I take offense at your thing that you were going
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to go down some path that like that that somehow
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: fly casting is somehow like more poetic or.
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: When when I'm in the woods, I want to I
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: want to be I don't want someone on the next ridge.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: To go that dude just out and you think spin
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: fishing is louder.
• 51:30
  Speaker 10: I thought this was going to be the best analogy
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: ever done.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Would both of you go just what.
• 51:35
  Speaker 10: People say, like you're you're going to the river to fish.
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: A spin caster is just trying to get the job done.
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: A fly fisherman is trying to do as are bobbing
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: their heads here. So I'm just saying, yeah, you can
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: get a turkey to gobble all different ways. I agree
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: with that, but there's some there's some art, there's some
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: new craft inside of you know, your crow call, your
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: alcohol play.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It took my croll call and wrote this is a
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: blue jay call on it?
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Oh disrespect?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, because it is. That's all Him'm trying
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to replicate it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: See that would have helped me the first time I
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: heard him blow it, if I would have known he
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: was trying to do a blue jay.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: We had this conversation multiple times just at the show, like, well,
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: what's the difference between the wood alt hooter and the
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: pro I said, well, the wood owt hooter actually sounds better.
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: It's cheaper, but for a hunting call, I want to
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: be able to crank that thing up, not sound quite
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: like an owl, but be able to reach the next
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: ridge over and get that response and still kind of
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: sound like, you know, the best alcohol we can build.
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: And so there's there's a lot of that, like just
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: being the best hunting call. But then like you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: we had that conversation with Dave, like not willing to
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: cut any corners and just be the absolute best decoy
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: where on calls, especially you know, shock gobble calls in particular,
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: I'm willing to cut a few more corners where like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: you know, the new triple locator, it's twice as loud
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: as anything out there. Yeah, I could have made it
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: maybe a touch more accurate, but it's just dialed in.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: It still sounds like the woodpecker. It still sounds like
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: an owl scream, but I designed it for more volumes,
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: so maybe we lost a little bit of that quality.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So that's fly fishing. But it's like you're on.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: To cut it's still technically fly fishing.
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: So you're you're gonna you're gonna blow on a pilliated call? Yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: or what are our hunting piliated woodpecker?
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Call?
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: Is very loud, you guys are Day's probably gonna really
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: hate it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: But uh but I don't know.
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: We had this in Kansas last year and it did
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: not pick up, and so I'm a little but there's
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: a lot of weirdness about what picks up and don't
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: pick up because what I found, like.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Like outside inside is a big difference.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that sounds good though, man, pick up.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: My favorite thing to do is like come down out
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: of my office. I think all the workers are just
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: down there putting stuff together, and.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Just hit them with a woodpecker call.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Hit it again. That sounds good though, Oh yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: And then this, uh James Harrison, the out hooter, you know,
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: wins all the contests.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you know our olhooter.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: He just told me.
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: Out of the twenty nine people calling it the Grand
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: National Championship, twenty four of them, I think, O, what
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: ol hooter? Out of twenty nine, that's seriously yeah, like
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: legit phelps out hooter.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: And then we got the al scream, which this is
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: his thing. Twenty four out of twenty nine guys are
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: using your ol hooter. According to James Harrison on the
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: stage at the NWTF convention, do.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: You think it's fair that they could be using any
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: kind of call at all for I mean for a competition.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: What do you mean fair?
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: Fair as in like, uh, I would think if you
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: were having an al hooting competition, you'd have to also
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: have a no just raw voice.
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: Well, that's a whole different competition, and they.
• 54:53
  Speaker 15: They've them more towards the calls they have. Man, Hey,
• 54:58
  Speaker 15: in Arkansas, Bentonville, Arkansas, March ninth, we're having a natural
• 55:03
  Speaker 15: voice out hooting contest at the Black Burbonanza. We are
• 55:06
  Speaker 15: making it into the world's premiere natural voice out hooting contest.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So so you're so they divide out natural voice. Yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that's all we do. Okay, hit me, hit me with one.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Clay Oh, I.
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: Could never do him on call. I had a guy
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: to show the other day come up to me and
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: was like, hey, Clay, give me an alhot. It was terrible.
• 55:29
  Speaker 10: I was embarrassed.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, get here home, everybody be quiet, give
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: me another one.
• 55:49
  Speaker 10: So I didn't pick up.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: No, it's not doing well. No, because I know you're
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I know yours pick up and what was killing Clay
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: or what was killing Seth Morris is we are calling? Uh,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: we were calling owls.
• 56:00
  Speaker 12: You were there.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Seth was there and he could just get the owl
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to come in, get the owl to answer, but the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: app wouldn't pick it up, and he had to keep
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: messing and messing and messing, and he had to change
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: his call so the app would pick up, and it
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: wound up being in the in the gurgle at the end. Oh,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: he had to manipulate his own girl. He had to
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: like customize it to try to get picked off by
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the app. But outside yours picks off. But I don't know.
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah, do that one again.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I want to hear that again. That sounds good.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Doctor Woodpecker, do the il scream.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Let me hear the I want to hear the woodpecker. Get.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I want to to pill.
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: I'll scream. Will just be like a pitch break. You've
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: all heard the owl scream like early in the morning.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Now here's why I think before you do this, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: think that like sure sounded like a bird.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Forgetting gob It's like it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: like it's so all of a sudden, and it's so
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: you can't ignore it, yep, because the thing is, how
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: many times in most places, if you're sitting there waiting
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: for you to light out, first thing you're gonna hear
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: in a lot of airs, you're gonna hear a northern
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: cardinal and he's gonna be the first thing in the morning.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And then you're gonna hear crows, right, they're just gonna
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: be like if you're paying attention, there's always a carverywhere
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: going off, and I just think it loses its.
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, where that's where the woodpecker, Like you do the
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: pretty and like when you're out hunting, you can literally
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: hit the first one and be done and get the
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: same response like he's already gobbling from that one.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: But back to Clay's point, I want to be somewhat
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: accurate and like finish out sounded like a woodpecker, so
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: you finish Hey, could.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It not be?
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: I think there's an argument to be made that realism
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: might make a difference, because like, if you're hunting a
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: super smart, wary bird that's had four years of hunting pressure,
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: and you walk up there with an air horn and
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: and he's heard he's not coming, the truck pull up
• 57:57
  Speaker 10: and maybe he gobbles at it, but he's and I mean,
• 58:00
  Speaker 10: I don't he doesn't have the brain power to think, oh,
• 58:02
  Speaker 10: that's Steve Arnell over there, but he's just like maybe
• 58:06
  Speaker 10: you know.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: That's the thing I do wonder about. Is I wonder
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: about the difference because we're talking. That's two things. That's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: eliciting a gobble okay, And then there's is he gonna
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: come over like does he just did he just add
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: something to his knowledge base where it's like that wasn't
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the real I gobbled? But yeah, I used to get
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: mega gobbles off of a rabbit distress call. I mean
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: mega like way off gobbles. But then I'm thinking, Okay,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: he gobbled, But is he really gonna come mosying over
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: here later? Like you know, look, habits die, Yeah, well
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you do like a rabbit, I would just go right
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and you get gobbles. But is he is he then
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: put in his head like that to me, is not
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: an area I'm going to go to. I think over
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: yonder where the rabbits die. Yet Yeah, that's no mount
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of hand calling, no mount of hand calling from that area.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: It's going to feel right to me because I just
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: log that as like I gobble to it, but you're
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: not could talk me to go in there?
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the same reason like Eastern Washington, Kyle Howell's work
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: great for locating, especially later in the day. But you're like,
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: if you want to try to call that burden, like
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: in my mind at least the picture in painting, like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: why is this burd gonna come home all the time?
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: The only thing I would add is like I do
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: agree that there's something to be said for a short
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: call to get a shot gobble, because then you can
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: hear them gobble, you know, which is like if you
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: do a long drawn out call, it's like, hey, well,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe you guys don't have a problem I
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: do with my hearing, like I gotta stop quickly. It's
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: I can hear him. But also then you know where
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: he's at, you could go, you could go to him.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: And then I also agree one hundred percent with what
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: you're saying about how they kind of can't help themselves.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Like if you watch you know, three Tom's gobble, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: it appears that they're gobbling at exactly the same time,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: but if you watch carefully, it's always one of them gobbled. First,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: you know, there's two ors just a split second behind,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: and that is just sort of an involuntary response, and
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: that can be the same thing I think with the
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: shot gobble.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, hit the so oh I want to I want
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: to add on that. The thing that causes tension between
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: me and my turkey hunting friends is it they think
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that I start walking too quickly after making my shot
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: gobble noise, Joannie gets irritated. I don't give it enough beats.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: But I'm like, he would have already gobbled. Yeah, I'm
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: on team Renela on this one.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Like shot you don't need to stay in there for
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a minute.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: Even five ten seconds, Like that's too much. If he gobbles,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: it's on his own. I'll do it, I'll go I'll
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: be like on.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking on set, man, That's why I walked
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: till twenty I'm like, dude, you might hear a gobble,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: but it's not never related.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 16: Dear.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just regular listening. You're not listening.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: Man.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: The best turkey hunters that I've ever hunted with do
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: very little early morning shot goblin. I mean I think
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: there's a there's more.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Depends so much on the air area, man.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, just just the patients that I see in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: some of these guys that I mean, they're not well
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 10: known people, just like really good turkey hunters. Man, they
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: let that turkey gobble on his own most of the time.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: And I mean they carry a shot gobble or can
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 10: owl or crow with their mouth and and use that.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 10: But I would say the number one way to identify
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: a beginner or novice turkey hunter is how much they're
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 10: shot using shot gobble.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: It's too dependent. Sure, if you're in a high density
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: area whatever. If you're like out in the never ending
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Ponderosa pine grassland stuff right and you and it's cute,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go miles between anything.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think we're talking about too.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: It's just kind of hunt.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, you're like somewhere out in this ten
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: square miles there might be a gobbler. And if I'm
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: gonna find a bird over the next two days, I'm
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: gonna have to hunt very aggressively and try to get
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a because any mine is sitting here listening is like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to find a bird. Yeah. It's just different.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 10: More of what I'm talking about is back East hunting.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: Hunting a bird that you maybe you know, the smaller ground,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: you might be spending your whole morning in a you know,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 10: a square mile or less or you know, maybe one
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 10: hundred and sixty acres. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: play the patient game, all.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: Right, go on, So I'm gonna try the James Harrison
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: is a pro with this thing, but we developed it
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: as an oul screamer as well.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Oh that gets them.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: I mean just once again, just big loud bursts. Like
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: I said, I probably just did that call. No justice,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: that's his side. I was more I want a woodpecker call.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: But now that right there is for getting gobbles, just
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: high pitched. What you do with them, what you call
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: that the spincaster, no what like that gets a gobble.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: What you do with them afterward is up to you.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: But that's gonna get a gobbyl Yeah, And that's that's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: why I in this call. Like I said, we could
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: have way more or maybe not on the ile screamers.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I had been on the woodpecker.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: You know, I had more accurate sounds, but then we
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: kept adding more volume, made it loud because like I say,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I'm I'm a hunter at heart. I just want these
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: things to answer, so I can start the game and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: then go from there. There's two contests. There's two tournaments.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to figure out how to conduct. I want
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: to have a world I want to have a glassing invitational.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: I love that where you have set out, not set.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Out, Okay, I want it to be real. So I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: want to have a glassing invitational where you go to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: a good area and there's judges and to score a point,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you so to find an original find, you put a scope.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: You put a spotting scope on it, and the judge comes, looks,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: verifies to find and that's like one hundred points now
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: one betted next to it or whatever those are fifties
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: or twenty fives. Once you make a find, the judge
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: sort of like declares that that find area closed or
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: everyone's operating out of a little structure like a little.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: Beach tent, so they have the opportunity to find it.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: So you don't know, so all the competitors can't tell
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: where someone's looking. So figure that out, and like you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: get a point, and you set up at daybreak and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: you have till eleven, and it's like the World Glassing Championship,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: like it I love it to be a great compound competition.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: The other exciting to watch. No, I would love it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I would love it.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 10: I could be like a golf commentator.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I thought about it, hide little things out, but I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: don't think it should be like that, because stuff pops.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: If everybody was looking at the same landscape, it would
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 10: be fair.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: No, but you want to be an area, and I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: know I know right where I would hold it. I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: know right the hill, I know the mount, the peak
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I would go to to conduct it.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: Dude, listen, I'll be one of the commentators. I will
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: on the live stream and then we'll have have like
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: roped off with people along the sides, like a golf tournament,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 10: and every time somebody does a find will and I'll
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: be like, oh, that was a beautiful fine.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: By the other, my other tournament is the World Shot
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Gobbling Invitational. And I don't know how to conduct it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 10: Hmmm. Yeah, you'd have like categories like just a listening
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: freestyle unlimited freestyle. It's freestyle unlimited listening gobbles. I don't
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: know how to make it equal though.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Another nail bitter.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who can elicit the most? It have to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: be like days long to rule out to rule out
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: incidentals or not not to rule incidentals, to rule out
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the freaks. It had to be ten days, you know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: big commitment to be like, oh, he just got the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: good spot that morning. But over time you're gonna see
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: you're Over time, you're gonna see a champion emerged, a trend,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: someone that just can listen gobbles, and it's probably going
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: to be, unfortunately, a dude with an airhorn.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: It's going to put to rist all of our theories.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: If you can figure out how to give away a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 10: truck at both of those you, I am.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Going to do the glassing the glassing invitational. I'm serious about.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I think you could pull off a glassing invitational for sure. Oh, Dave,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: you know another thing I wanted to ask about. Just
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: change the subject a little bit. You guys are you
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: guys decoys are? Tell me about American made decoys.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: All our Treky decoys are made in America, always have been.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: And uh, it's difficult, and it's expensive, and.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: But the quality is really good. They're super durable.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: And we love our crew and they're good, they're good people,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: and that's just how we decided to do it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: And and but you could, there would have been an
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: easier way to do it. Like, it's not like out
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: of necessity.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean like we're I mean,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: we're I'm almost the only USA MA Turkey decoy.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: There might be a few Q the national anthem phill, but.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Most decoys are pain are what overseas.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: They're blow molded, you know, polyathlene made in China, and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: you know there's nothing wrong with that. It makes the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: lightweight and and inexpensive and all that stuff.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: But can you pull that mic a little bit closer?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: Dave?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Mike, microphone close. I'm sorry, You're good, Thank you?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Oh Dave? How much you've been here? And have you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: been hearing most of everything today?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Much better without the without the headphones? He that no, No,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 13: A dog.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it is. We're able to make like
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: a really really super durable decoy, which is kind of nice.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, we have one video of Brad shooting
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: a decoy and it's on purpose, It wasn't an accident
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: or anything. He's shut out of decoy with heavy shot
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: from ten yards away and goes and picks up the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: decoy and you absolutely cannot find a mark on it
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: anywhere and you pick it up. He picks it up
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: and shakes it and it's just absolutely full of shot.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: But it's and I've shot several well, not several, I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: guess twice. I've shot through Tom's and had the arrow
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: go into the decoy kind of you know the arrow, Yeah,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: and then pull the arrow, pull the arrow out, and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: and you can't really see where the arrow was.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: It's like that Arnold Schwarzenegger had to fight in uh yeah,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: that silver guy.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, terminator, Yeah, you heard him.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: It just goes back to normal.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not quite like that, but almost the same. Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: But when you started out, you know, why does it
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: wind up being overseason and why not? I mean people
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: launch them overseas, like if you if you started when
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: you start out, you're just making a few of them, right,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: So obviously when you were making a few of them yourself,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: you like you didn't even think about whether you'd make
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: them overseas or make them in America because you're just
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: making a handful. Yeah, and there's some point at which
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: it would just you'd have to decide that it would
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: now make sense to have a manufactured elsewhere or not. Right, Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I mean so far, we haven't had any major, major
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: plans to make any Turkey decoys overseas, but it might
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: be something that we'd offer, like especially if we could.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: You know, we just want to offer as many different
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: options as possible for people, so you know, you can
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: make it lighter weight and less expensive. So and the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: thing is is, like like our half strut Jake, we
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: had a guy that just loved that decoy and thought
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: it was the greatest thing ever. And he kind of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: told us that he he made this offer to us
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: where he would promote it and but he would need
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: like this huge percentage of all the sales, and we
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: kind of told him to take a hike. And next thing,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: you know, he took it straight to China and did
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: a really really hard campaign, like got to the point
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: where he had most people convinced that we uh copied him.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: It took us.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Three years of literally like one by one content contacting
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: people that were just you know, promoting his decoy like crazy,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: of telling him the truth and setting them straight, and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: took us three years to recover from from that. And
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: they eventually he eventually went out of business and all
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: that stuff because people are basically good and our customers
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: are are unbelievably great to us and they stood by
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: us and you know, learn the truth and everything like that.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: So we we deal with that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: And there's we have other decoys where you know, these
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: companies that we've known of for a long long time
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they have a Turkey decoy
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: and it's just like, it looks so much like our decoy.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous and that that happens and it's kind
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: of flattering, but it's kind of annoying too and stuff
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: But and those are.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: All made overseas, so that's a little bit difficult because
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden they're able to charge a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: lot less for it. And the thing is, it's like
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: because we make decoys uh in America and have made
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: goose decoys in America, so we have to we do
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: have to charge a lot because the materials are very
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: very expensive, like that material that's so durable is super
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: super expensive, and so we do have to charge a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: lot unfortunately for our for our decoys. So then the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: competitors they've really benefited from that because now they they'll
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: make it a Dey and China and they'll be like, well,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: you know, DSD is charging you know, you know, two
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars for a Turkey decoy, so we could probably
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: charge one eighty or something like it, whereas our costs
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: are dramatically different.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: But you guys don't like, you don't package and tell,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: you don't like overtell that it's all designed and made
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: in America. I mean, you're sure, says DSD decoy's USA,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: but I could be they're based in the USA.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we probably should push that a little harder.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Especially especially if people are trying to bone you over.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean point taking, Yeah, we probably should.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: My idea for the tail fan was American flag.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, Paul with with with f HF you guys, uh,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 17: you guys got you guys fight it all the time
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 17: on made in America.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 12: We do.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: And we're sort of in the same boat with Day
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: where we started out. I started out making this in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: a spare bedroom, so certainly wasn't going to have anything
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: made overseas. I was doing custom work and really kind
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: of started in the tactical world where that was much
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: more of a thing like hunting versus tactical. The customers
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: typically want to see a US made product, I think
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: in the tactical space. In the tactical space for.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Sure, because you're dealing with people who are like, like
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: by definition like patriot, patriotic.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, patriots and preppers and just tactical guys former military,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: current military that kind of stuff, law enforcement, and then
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: moving into the hunting market. I think it's come to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: a point now where there is a significant amount of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: the customers that do want to see a US made product,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: But there's also a lot and we deal with it
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: all the time where people are like, well, I can
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: buy buy it for twenty dollars on Amazon, you know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: something that's close or a direct copy like Dave talks about,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: And you know, it just depends on the customer really
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: and what they put as important to them.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: But the part I don't get about it is when
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: you talk about the cost thing, how you're talking about
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: shipping it halfway around the world, Like, how does that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: you'd think that if you took a person from outer space,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: like you take a guy comes from Mars and you're like, hey,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you question, what do you think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: costs more me to sell a thing here in Montana? Okay,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it was made in America, Or would it cost more
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: if I had it made on another continent halfway around
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: the world and then scent it over here. That person
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, it'd be a lot cheaper to make
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it here. Why would you mail it all the way
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: across the world.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: Well, I think that it probably used to be. The
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: biggest thing is the labor costs overseas. You can just
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: you know, people, I don't know what they're our wages
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: in China or Bangladesh, but it's certainly not as much.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: As a dollar or two.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: The people that are making stuff here in the US,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: and all of our stuff is made here, and so
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: you know, the factories we use are paying their people
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: well and treating their people well, and they have you know,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: their middle class jobs, and many of those have disappeared
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: over the years.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Where you know, it used to be.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: The textile market, you know, mills, sewing, everything was done here.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: And this was brought in, you know, as far back
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: as right after the Revolutionary War for reasons for like
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: national security and just independence to have all of that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: stuff done here locally, just like weapons manufacturing, All of
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: that stuff was brought here. But you know, starting in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: the eighties, I just disappeared out of the country. So
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: it's really hard to find factories in the US that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: can do a good job of it at scale, at
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: the scale we need especially. I mean many of these places,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: you know, they will take in order, but they want
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: you order half a million of something in order to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: make it worth their time, whereas you know, we're just
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: not at that scale, and the costs are significantly higher,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: and it just makes it very hard, you know, both
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: the materials as well as that the labor to actually
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: put something together. You know, we do our best, again
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: sort of coming from that tactical world in the even
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: the Bay Amendment compliance stuff, which is a defense requirement
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: for buying military gear, you know, made in the US,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: many of the materials have to be made here, and
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: so we do our best to source those materials here.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: Being that they're sourced here, they don't have to go
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: overseas to be put in place. But we do struggle
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: sometimes define the best materials in the US, because I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: don't know whether we.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Say the best materials in the US, you mean the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: best materials produced in.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: The US, correct, And there are some things that just
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: aren't made here anymore. Certain things, or if they are
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: made here, they may not be as good because that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: technology has been exported over the last thirty years and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: there just isn't a way to get it made here.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: A stupid example is our zipper poles. Like I almost
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: bought a machine to make our little molded zipper poles
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: on a cord, because there's maybe one of your listeners knows,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: but I cannot find a place anywhere in the US
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: to have those made. The only closest thing I found
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: was a machine that I would have had to order
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: from China and get here to make those one at
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: a time. And they just mold a zipper pool.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: What party talking about just.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: The poles on.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: I mean that's why I use bump the cord and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: the knotted cord on all the zippers because I mean
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: on our little pouches, we do a little plastic zipper pool.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And you mean there's no one in America making
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: that or that you.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: Found, not that I've found.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: I mean you can find a piece of cord with
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: some shrink tube on it, but you know, like a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: molded nice you know, something you can put a logo
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: in and you know, make it look nice. There just isn't.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: That's just one example. But there are fabrics that we use,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: and we use a few of them that are made overseas,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: but many of those are done that way because, you know,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: to be honest, many of the best, like bag manufacturers,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: are in Vietnam because that's where all the technology is,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: it's where all the talent is over there. It is
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: a considered a good job. It's a professional job to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: have that job, and these people work in the industry
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: for a long time and get good at it. In
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: the US, it's very hard to find the labor to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: do that, and so, you know, to be honest, you know,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: many of the factories end up hiring folks who have
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: immigrated to this country or brought that expertise with them, yeah,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: or you know, have had family members that work, you know,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: have worked in that industry for years and kind of
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: come up with it.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: But those are fewer and fewer and fewer, it seems like.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: So it's just a it's a weird self perpetuating problem
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: trying to find find both the materials as well as
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: the labor and the talent to get that done in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: the States. And it's expensive.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: So if if everything, if everything of f HF gear
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: is made in the USA. Does that Does that mean
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that you can't buy but you can still buy a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: material made somewhere else or is that not true? Yeah?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: I mean technically.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: For us to say made in the USA, you know,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: virtually all of it has to be here, and we
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: do our best to source everything locally, you know, domestically,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: like I said, like zipper poles.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: You know, there's.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: Please reach out if you know somebody who will make those,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: but you know, for the most part we do our best.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: And then you know, there's the difference would be like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: assembled in the say, where you might have you know,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: components like say the shoulder harness and the pouch made
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: in two different countries and brought here and put together,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: and that would be assembled in the US. Or if
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: you bought everything, all of your materials from overseas sources
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: and brought those here and sewed them together, that might
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: be assembled in the US. The other option would be
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: in it. We've struggled even with production companies. We had
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: one for a while that went out of business. Thankfully,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: unbeknownst to us, they were sending stuff to Mexico.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: We were on the slide.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were making and paying for them to make
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: it in the US. And this was one product years
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: and years ago when I was still in my basement,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: but they were the last one that came out of
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: the box. I found a little tag on it that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: I think they used to get through customs that said
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: made in Mexico. And I'm like really, and I'm like,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: you dirty rats, because they gave me a price for
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: USA made or NAFTA compliant or you know, Asia pricing,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: and I paid for the US made stuff. And they
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: figured out this little guy in his basement can probably
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: wouldn't know the difference, and he'll pay us a little
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: more if we get it made somewhere.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: And they went out of business.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they went out of business.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: If when you look at the at that the doppel
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: bag you're working on, it has the I know, you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: mess around with a bunch of different fabrics, yep. And
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: and uh, you'd give me bags and I'd bring them
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: back to you after you're broken. Well, I'd be like,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: you know, the bag baggage handler or brade and whatever
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: this stuff happens to him mostly that yep. I mean,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: anything you ever gave me would wound up being that
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the guy, it looks.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: Like it got stuck stuck in the conveyor We got
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: jammed in the conveyor belt.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: And then you uh settled on that sale cloth. Where's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: that made?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: That is made overseas. That specific fabric is made overseas.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Part of the reason I chose that is because of
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: the color availability. Availability of the fabric again becomes a challenge.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: And that bag is actually a mix of US fabrics
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: and the sailcloth, but it's one hundred percent recycled, and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: it's done in a facility over there that I mean,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: as you guys probably where almost all recycling is done overseas.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: Half the stuff you throw in your recycle bin either
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: ends up with the landfill or on a boat to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: go get recycled.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: O kinceled. Like the recycling chain is like an overseas chain.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: That's a whole other. Yeah, get down the YouTube and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: go down that rabbit hole.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: But where it's actually happening.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, most of it is done overseas.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: And so this specific factory is recycling, and this this fabric,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: it's a polyester you know, using recycled bottles and whatnot,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: is one hundred percent recycled. The film is recycled as
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: well as the adhesive is a non solvent based adhesive
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: that actually works better with UV resistance and it's actually
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: more waterproof. So in this case, I think for this application,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: it was just a better fabric to use. But yeah,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: that one ends up being overseas, although the base of
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: it is a US base.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Bottles it is.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, how do you buy the stuff? It's like like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: rolls of it is, so we do. We have a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: little different procedure than most whereas I do all the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: design and development stuff here in house in Bozeman, so
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: I'm able to kind of reach out to these manufacturers
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: and get small parts and pieces. When I first started,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: I mean I was buying stuff on eBay and just
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: random stuff who knows where it was coming from.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Trying to buy materials.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because most of these big companies, especially in the US,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: they have such high minimums that it kind of prevents
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: the the little guy from ordering. You know, I even
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: here in Bozeman, I wouldn't want to order, you know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: roll and rolls of fabric. You know, I need five
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: to ten yards of it and it'll last me a
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: few months to just build some samples to get to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: you know, you and I and Jason to test out
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: and see if it's going to work. But then once
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: we kind of settle on that material from these producers,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: then we send it to our production facility who takes
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: the specs that we give them and uh, you know
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: people that we can our sources are spelled out to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: them and then they do the bulk ordering and.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Put everything and the solers. What are the main states
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: or stuff gets sold that's made in America.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: I'd say the biggest location is southern California. We don't
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: use anybody there anymore, we have, but you know, right
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: around LA, the San Diego area seems super busy. All
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: along the eastern seaboard there probably South Carolina, you know,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: up in New England. And then we have facilities as
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: well that we use, like in Minnesota as well as
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: uh Indiana kind of that Midwest state. But really I
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: mean that you see it like locally and Bozeman, it's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: very hard to find people to work those jobs, be
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: able to pay them a wage that allows them to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: stay here. You know, even Mystery ranch is here, SIMS
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: is here.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they they've started to move a lot of
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: that bulk production outside the area.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: And I don't know about SIMS specifically, but you know
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: mystery ranch is bulk production is all over the country,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: or you know, they're certainly their military line is all
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: US made, but their hunting line is made in Vietnam,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: which as I said, as I said before, the they
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: have probably the most talented best as an aggregate sewers
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: in the world. And it's just because that equipment and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: talent pool is there, and so I think it can
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: start coming back to the US. But you know, it
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: has to be done by companies like US using those facilities,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: because if we you know, there aren't companies like US
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: using the facilities in the US, they're eventually gonna go
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: out a business and go overseas as well.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: If you had to put a just like a fine
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: point on it, or I guess it's more like a
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: rough point on it. Making it in America, it's like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: sewing goods, like making making a backpack, binal harness whatever
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: in America makes it cost what percent higher?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know the answer because I've never actually quoted
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: anything in the US, or I'm sorry, in China, or.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: You never out of curiosity just asked them.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: I haven't, but I get emails constantly from companies over
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: there that will send me pictures of my harness as
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: well as editor harnesses that say, hey, we make these,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: we could make yours for you and it will be
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: you know, pennies on the dollar. And if you look
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: at Amazon, I mean you can see, you know, search
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: biny harnesses on Amazon and you'll come up with many
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: that look very similar. Once you get them in your hand,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: you'll realize there's a quality difference. But there's copies of
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: all the major brands. For you know, our harness is
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: one of the most expensive harnesses on the market, and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: I think it's because it's the best and it takes
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: a long time to make. You know, ours retails at
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: one eighty five and you can find a pouch that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: you can wear on your chest for you know, eighteen
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: dollars that's made overseas. And you know, even some of
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: the retailers, even some of the big optics companies, you know,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: provide a free harness with their with their optics that
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: you know they're they're getting the job done.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: You can hold it, it'll hold it on your store
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 10: It's a difference between spin fishing.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: And it is.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: You guys make like pelves game calls you had, you
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: traditionally started out like just founder base. You started off
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: by hat you just like buy necessity made him here. Yep, yeap,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: it made him. And then I mean we went through
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: that evolution. We are.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 8: We are sourced both domestically and overseas, and we've tried
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: to move as much back you know, like the Easy Sucker.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 8: We moved back into the States, and we're leveraging like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: a very big partner.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: We've given a lot of work.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 8: But USA Manufacturing, Like as much as I would love
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 8: to move everything here there, to be honest, they're a
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: bigger pain in the ass to work with, just like
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: Paul alluded to, they don't you know, I feel like
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 8: we're crushing it in the game call world, right, but
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: ten thousand piece order of this plastic part, they don't
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: want anything to do with that.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: They want you to order one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: We just don't have that buying capacity or the need
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 8: for it, and so you just kind of get thrown
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: through the ring or your prices come back high. And
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: then I'm left with like a business decision, like do
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: you want to sell a woodpicker call for seventy and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: ninety nine or do you want to sell it for
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: thirty two ninety nine where it should be, you know,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 8: And so a lot of times we do our best.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: Like our new unleashed V two tube, as far as
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: I know, it's maybe one of the only blow molded
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: like tubes inside the USA, but due to the Federal
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: Trade Commission rules, because I put a k neoprene sleeve
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 8: on it that comes from overseas and it's it's an
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 8: essential part in the definition of it, all of a sudden.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: It can't be you know, made and ada, you know.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 8: So you got to like balance all these like FTC
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 8: rules and like make sure you're following the rules, you know.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 8: But we try, we we we make an honest approach.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: I do get a quote on everything we build USA
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 8: and you know, offshore, and there are times where we
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: just have to pick and choose.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: And like I said, I'm.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Proud and I try to keep everything here.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 8: But there's just business decisions where unless you're willing to
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: try and sell something for ten times all of your competition,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: you're just going to be stuck going that way. Yeah,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: but you know, all of our Turkey calls. All of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 8: our wood tricky calls made in the USA, with the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: majority of our woods USA source. You know, I don't
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 8: want to be, you know, accused of cutting down the
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 8: South American rainforw it, you know, so we try to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 8: tack and back Jason not on necessarily, He's talked about
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 8: a lot of the woods.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it's a nice wood, but man, it's yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 8: You don't want you don't want that, you know, So
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: we avoid that. We try to bill as much as
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: we can. You know, we started that acrylic deer call line.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 8: You know, we source a lot of made in the USA,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 8: a crilic. We do source some acrylic from off shore,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: but it's just it's depending on colors and time. So
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: we're we're doing the best we can and making an honest,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 8: uh truly honest approach at keeping everything we can have
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: made here and when dollars and cents, I'm willing to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: spend a little bit more for USA made because, as
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: you mentioned, the logistics of putting on a boat, timelines,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 8: you know, language barriers, stuff that I sometimes struggle with.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 8: I'm willing to pay you know, up to two hundred
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 8: three hundred percent more if I can justify it for parts,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 8: but it's not always the option. But yeah, we we
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 8: fight it on every single new project where we're going
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: and then pricing.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: It's a good point in that, like having it made
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: here allows smaller companies like us to be a little
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: more nimble and be able to move and pivot things.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: You know, like for instance, if had we put that
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: big bag that got cut on the conveyor belt into
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: production and realized too late that you know, maybe we shouldn't,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: you know, make ten thousand of those. They aren't sitting
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: on a boat on the way over here. You know,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: we can quickly switch material and have that one on one,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: I have the cell phone number of the guy who's
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: going to make that happen, and just get it done
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: the same day versus you know, kind of this skype
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: call to somebody who there's a language barrier with YEP.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: That's helped us a lot too, to just be nimble
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: and quick and be able to come up with a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: product quickly. Yeah, because we're molding, you know, we're molding ourselves,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: you know, sculpting at molding it and casting the parts
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: and painting and working out the paint. So some we
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: can come up with a new decoy pretty quickly, as
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: you know, the market changes, the populations change, or you know,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: hundreds inches change, and that's kind of nice to be
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: able to do that well.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 12: And and also we're making small daily batches of decoys,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 12: whereas you know, if you're importing, you know you're buying
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 12: container loads, and so you could get an order of
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 12: five thousand decoys only to find out that, you know,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 12: there's there's some huge quality issue there, and now you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 12: have a whole container load of decoys, you know. Whereas
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 12: for us, we stay small, and I mean we literally
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 12: can walk out into the shop and take a good
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 12: look over our product every day, and and we're we're
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 12: really tight on on quality control that way.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: So I could call you guys and say I want
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: you to go out and find me the nicest one
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I thought he was going to say he
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: could walk out in the shop and yell at somebody
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: this juggie.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: We could do that, and that that Doffel bag though,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: what do you call the Doffel bag or pit Duffel?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Just because it opens up into a big can you
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: can you peel by you?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Not yet?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's the nicest Dolf bag. I think we're made
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: by man.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Well, it's relatively simple, but it great.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: But it seems like it's gonna float away as far
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: as light.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that's the other benefit of that fabric
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: because it's ultra light, and the film and the coating
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: on that allows it to just, yeah, be ultra durable.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm not gonna color a waterproof bag,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: but you know, very water resistant and h and tough
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 6: like that material itself is, you know, just reinforced. And yeah,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be I think it'll be a good bag.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: But you gotta make what you're gonna make a bunch
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: of sizes, three sizes.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Maybe still gotta argue with the.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: Internal uh corporate about how many about how many sizes
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: as we can make.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Give me the arguments. What are the arguments?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: Well, give me the pro and con Well, I don't
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: know that there are.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: I don't have any cons. I want to make a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: larger one. That's uh, you know, it end up being
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: the one you have is like a sixty liter defel.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: I want to do a thirty of sixty and a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: ninety leader does Yeah, and uh, I think that'll be
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: perfect We've already made the ninety. We've tested it. Uh,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: I made one, but we've traded around the shop and
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: used it for flights here and the air and send
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: me over a thirty man. Yeah, I need to make
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: I've yet to make one of those, but we're actually
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: having all three of them priced currently at production to
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: make sure that we.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Are able to do that quickly.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Can I give you hot tip?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, If you do three, I'd call it the one ten,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: two twenty and three thirty. Hey, you go conno beears
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: because that's the three conn be sizes. Like I mean,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: there's all their goofy stuff. There's like one eighties and
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: sixties that's going to sixties. There's one sixties, two eighties,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: but no one pays attention the one ten, the two,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: twenty to three thirty.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: Then I'll confuse everybody.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: What are the numbers mean? Like, it's long story. There's
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. That's nothing to.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 12: Do with you.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 10: That's always good.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 12: That is a long story.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Can I ask do they have like backpack straps on them?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: They do?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: The backpack straps are the handles and you can kind
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: of figure basically decide where you want those, but yeah,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: they're they're comfortable backpack. Like the giant one I made.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: I've used in airports as well, and if you got
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: to walk real far. I mean that one was one
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: hundred and forty leaders or something that was a huge
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: but which is why I got caught on the conveyor
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: belts everywhere. But and it wasn't as comfortable as this one.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: This one actually feels like it's wearable. Yeah, it's certainly wearable,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: So the one I have is sixty, yes, thirty sixty
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 8: ninety dude, Yeah, thirty.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: Won't confuse anybody.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: So what's up apex belts? With Turkey season coming up?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: So that is uh, it's funny.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: We just got done with the show and had to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: kind of explain to people that the U the foundations
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: we came out with, the belt, the hydration pack both
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: are multiple use items. Just happens with the and I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: say multiple use, How do I best explain that there?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: I use it as a range belt, a hiking belt,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: hunting belt, edition whatever, fishing. I scouted all summer in.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: It, all season, all pursuit.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was using mine for buck ratlin yep.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: But being that we're launching that here in the spring,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: figured we would include some accessories or launch some accessories
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: about the same time. So we have the box call
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: pouch coming out with it. It's a The belt itself
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: is a three piece belt, so it's really expandable, kind
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: of designed to be a one size fits most belt.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: Got kind of an internal frame sheet molly attachment. Those
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: who are familiar with the battle belt will.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: Kind of be familiar with the idea of a padded
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: imagine like the belt of a big frame.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Pack without a backpack. Let's go a way of putting it.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: Has suspenders available, has a folding seat that kind of
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: tucks up out of the.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Way and yeah, is that out now or not out
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: it is?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we I think.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: Sweet launched that and you don't even notice you're wearing
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: that a super you know, minimal. We've seen interest from
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: that from predator hunters, Turkey hunters as.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Well as well. My old turkey vest had a seat
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: and I like a seat, but all day walk around
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: that seat bang in the back your knees drives you insane, man.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's you know what we kind of heard
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: from customers is like one they're usually a pain to
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: stow if you're going to stow them up behind it.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 6: And if you don't stow it, the yeah, they hitch
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: you in the calves the entire rest of the day.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: So this one tucks away easily using magnets. You can
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: hook it to a backpack even we did a video
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: recently on social just hooked it to my trouser belt
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: and to my bino harness and don't have any belt
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: worked out well, so you can kind of customize and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: tailor that whole system to fit your style.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: In the pot call pouch, we did the pot call pouch.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: We call it echelon right and left just because they're
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 6: kind of a triangle shape with the point facing forward.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: You would that's how you figure out right and left.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 12: Ye.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: And if you're inclined to leave all your shit out
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: in the woods, this is a good little thing to
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: have with you. Yeah, easy to it encourages not leaving
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: all your junk in the woods, easy to put stuff in,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: easy to get in and out of quickly because you
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: can actually operate out of it. It's a pot call holder,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: but it opens out yep, So when you're sitting there,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: it's actually just as good to have it there. This
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: is lay it in the leaves next to you, which
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: is what I used to I just kind of hide
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: my stuff in the leaves and then later i'd go
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: back and try to find where.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: I put it. I need to put some more lanyard
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: loops on that thing. But yeah, it's uh just the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: way it sits open.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can kind of just like our chest ri
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: you can just open open it and work out of
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: it and put everything.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Back where it goes.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: It's got the spots for you your putt and peg
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: as well as scratch pads all that stuff.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: We found out.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: Its shows that actually uh conceals a handgun in there
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: pretty well as well. We had numerous people ask and
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: actually like to wear mine. It's all where the the
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: right or I'm sorry, the left one. So the triangle
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: faces forward on your left. I wear that on my
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: right side for cross draw. Well it creates, uh, it
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: creates like a wing of sorts where when you sling
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: your shotgun, it sits right behind there and creates at
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: the weapons catch.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: So it's good.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: It actually works out really well in that respect. But
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: I think that covers that.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: So how about the is the is the the morale bag?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: It is available now. Yeah, and it's just the same
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: way by those people are stupid.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: If they don't, people I think need to be educated
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: to what they are.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: They're all over in the tactical world.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: You know, guys use them for mag dump pouches, you know,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: putting down empty mags or whatever we've found we've been
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: using them for, like rifle hunting. If you need to
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: stow your gloves quick instead of putting them inside your
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 6: coat or draw opping them as you're moving, you just
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: stuff them in that bag. It's just a you know,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: it gets the size of like a chew can rolled up.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a big ass bag that hangs from
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: your belt, but it rolls up like a chew can.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 8: Well you don't you know, you wouldn't know it was there. No,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: And the way it's undo it and it opens up
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 8: and you can you can put like eight meals or
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: the morals in there.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: And it's got a mesh bottom on it, so you know,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: if you are putting stuff that's dirty or wet, you know,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: it still drips out the bottom. It doesn't collect, and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: then it's removable so you can it's mollied onto your belt.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: The attachment system we use, and it just you can
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: unhook it and empty it, do whatever you need to.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: It's a drop bag too, so it's out of your way.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's sits underneath the way it is attached,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: sits underneath your existing pouches, so it doesn't take up
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: extra room on your belt. And so if you don't
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: need it, you really don't even notice it's there.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: So all the everything people need to hunt turkeys is
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: available on there, it is.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: And again that's you know, because of the timing of
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: launching all this stuff, we focused on turkeys to start with,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: but you know, the plan would be to have a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: whole lot of different stuff coming out that will attach
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: and any of our old existing pouch is still attached
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: to it now, like you said, I use it fishing
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: at the range, you know, all over the place.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: But the Scott's shoulder straps too, it does.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: It has kind of the same geometry as the first
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: light elastic suspenders. Or you could attach it to the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: hydration pack and use your hydration pack as your shoulder yoke.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: But so, but you can buy it all you can
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: buy right now. Right It's like they came, did they
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: sell out, came out not for sale.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: We did a soft launch in December December, and then
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: we did limited colors then and they did sell out.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: Some of those sold out right away, and then we
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: relaunched them here just a couple of weeks.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: Ago with all the colors, so you can get it
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 8: right now, just get it. Yeah, absolutely, And what else
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: is coming up next?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 7: Pit Duffle in June. We've got.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: A hip quiver YEP, kind of an interesting hip quiver
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 6: that I think is different than any of them I've
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: ever seen on the market. Ambidextrous kind of use and uh,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot of companies out there doing them,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: but none's ever been done like this.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: So that'll be the summer launches. You probably know more
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: than me.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 16: Yeah, we have a bit of a quiet year after
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 16: Apex Belt System, just given the nature of last year
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 16: we had I don't even know how many new products
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 16: with the fob. So we'll have one more launch this
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 16: year and then we're kind of grinding on twenty twenty
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 16: five stuff.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: So and how are you coming on our on our
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: secret uh our work entitled Rio Loco. Yeah, I was there,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: remember when they're named that thing? Well he needs. He
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: needs to do a bunch of research on this. Yes,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I have the only one in existence right now. Oh
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: and also felts, what's up with the moose call?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 12: We got it.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: You and you and Clay asked a lot, but we
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: have to make a little divergence.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 8: It's just it's unsustainable to build it the way you
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: guys wanted and be like this ultra I won't say ultram,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: it's not not ultra premium, but it just can't be
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 8: produced one at a time and a big giant.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: I want you in there just making one at a time.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: When you get one done, let someone know, like the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: original days, like I just just made this one. It's
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: up for sale, like just all day web maintenance. But no,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: it's it's coming.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 8: We finally found somebody that would injection mold it with
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 8: the right plastic makeup and a huge like fiberglass fill,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 8: so it'll be very, very similar to what what you
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 8: guys used. We made it a little bit thinner. Some
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 8: of the other reviewers wanted a little more resonation out
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: of it, and so were a little.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 10: Who else is better?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Mosing? Do they want it?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: They want, but they want to be able to rake
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: brush rake. They wanted to be a little more hollow
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: when they're raking brush.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: And then they want, but i'll talk to you.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: There's some reasons why.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 10: We all see big bulls.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: And then they got that you're taking our color suggestion.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 8: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, we picked your It was weird
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: that the name has green in it, but it was
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 8: the most accurate. It was like some weird sage green
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 8: color that they could cast.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be meaning that your call looks like
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: a paddle, but yeah, it'll be like that could be
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: really good. Does it have the read in it or
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: is it just we're going to work on it.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: We we got some other changes to it, but yeah,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 8: we'll have that. We'll have that read read in there
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 8: as an accessory. But nine people will probably just voice call,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: but we'll we'll have that as an option, okay, and.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Then uh, and then real quick before we wrap up
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: review for me, what what hot new turkey products are out?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: And then then I want the DSD you guys do
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: the same, So Turkey calls.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: This year we got the new triple locator Hawk Scream,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 8: I'll scream Woodpecker call. We brought back working with Steve Morgenstern,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 8: one of the greats in the in the friction ca world.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: We've got two signature series, so we went with I'm
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 8: gonna get this wrong. We went with Mulberry and a
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: red slate, and then we went with like a very
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: specific specked out hard slate in Babinga. So we have
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: two of.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: Those pots coming.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: And then we've got the new Rain series that we
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 8: partnered up with Chris Parrish, probably the all time winning
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: his tricky caller and great, great you know guy that
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 8: that we work with on the Turkey call side on
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 8: a three pack of those really light, more intricate diaphragms.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: This year we've got a new reverse tapered striker. I
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 8: think I can talk about it now, a reverse tapered striker.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: So like, oh, by the way, why'd you give Clay
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: a pack of calls?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: We didn't give me a new pack of calls.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: Don't need Clay gave me credit for that. I don't
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 8: know where he dug those up when he got here.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you didn't give those to me. Somebody else did.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: But then we've got like you know, strikers forever have
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: been like you know, they usually get bigger as they.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: Go out to the bell.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 8: But like you can see on this one, it actually
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 8: gets skinnier back towards where we make the connection on
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 8: the on the end, a lot more vibration you can
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 8: actually fill it in your striker, and so we're getting
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 8: a little bit more once again.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Morganstern had that idea. So we're gonna bring that guy
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: out this year.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 8: And everybody talks about you always hear everybody talk about
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 8: diamond wood strikers, you know, wake up the cheapest calls.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: And we finally found a company that has.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, like that's that's the best striker material you can
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: in my opinion, and a lot of tricky hunter's opinions
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 8: you can use. We finally found somebody that had like
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: the original recipe to diamond wood. Everybody, you know a
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 8: lot of people have tried to imitate it but haven't
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 8: got it right. And so we're back to like the
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: original diamond wood.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: What is the strikers.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: So it's just a bunch of laminated short really you know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 8: thin veneers, and they put a bunch of phenolic resin
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 8: and then put it under like crazy amounts of pressure.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: So even though it's wood, it's also got a lot
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 8: of phenolic in it, and so it's you know, fairly waterproof.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 8: It will it will saturate out, but like just that
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 8: thing will wake up a ten dollars pot call that
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: you got it Walmart and have, Yeah, that's yours. It
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 8: does look like you put it in there backward. Yeah, no,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: it's it was designed that way. I need to write
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: reverse ta Yeah we did. It wasn't like it wasn't
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 8: a reject off of the machine. You need to write
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: reverse taper. It feels good in your hand. Yeah, it's
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: it's it's good.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: You can build a real marginal pot call and throw
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 8: out striker in with it and you're like, bam, is
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: that right? And then uh, tell me about the triple
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: locator again. So hawk scream it's got three settings on
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 8: the band, So if you set it closest to the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: front of the yeah, we got this, and then we
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: also have it in like a more custom fancy lamine.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: You got the oul screamer in the middle setting, and
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 8: then all the way back we've got that affiliated woodpecker
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 8: just located on one.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 8: Loud, extremely loud, you know, with the intention hunters, the
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 8: hunter's call just to get them to locate. Are you
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 8: still selling Clay's acorn call?
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: We are, We're about out.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 8: We we did that rerun and really didn't talk a
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: whole lot about it, and I think we're we're getting
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: down into real low two digit inventory left and that's
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 8: gonna be the last run ever.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: We've made some improvements.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we got two material improvements and uh uh yeah,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna the.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: One little issue collectors.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Are you going to retire it? Yeah? Well, so Clay,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: we did something cool.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: We wanted to use white oak, and we realized like
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 8: the finishing of white oak was a giant pain in
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: the ass at times.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: So we had to we had to go back and
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: you know, change them over.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 10: But the structure of the call, that being an inhale
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 10: exhale dobly buck grunt, I mean, that's the acorn grunner,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 10: but the oak acorn grunner.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: Is gonna go The oak part is gonna go away.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: We're gonna switch it over to a crylic. How many
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: do we make of those total in the two different runs?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: At twelve hundred total, and then you don't have if
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: you want to get one. We sold a bunch of
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 8: them there at the Portland Show. People loved them and yeah,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: it's it's pretty unique, great sounding call. You blow on
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: one and I'll take that.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of a collector's I mean not had me
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: there night. There was a huge mistake. My buddies were
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: over because my birthday and someone's like, hey, can we
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: open this bottle of whiskey?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: Oh don't well?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: I was well, I was like, I don't care. We
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: could drinking, and you know that they opened it. I
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: didn't realize back there when we had that that barrel
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: of meat eater bourbon. Oh it was them. It was
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: the bottle that said one, and I had like, you.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: Were never going to use it, I know, but dude,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 10: they got it.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: You've got a little chunk change for that. If it
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: was if you have send it to my collection, it
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: would still be sitting up there unopened. Once I realized
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: what happened, Yeah, it's going now have gone.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: But this is the like whiskey is meant to be drinking.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: You know, my good friends and what's better than the
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday party? It was my old was my oldest friends,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: was like my o G friends. They drank it.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: So it's fun, all.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Dave, you do the same thing. What's the hot
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: new ticket. The hot new DSD items for spring turkey
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: which is coming up.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: New for of this spring is that we finally made
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: a pack that's designed to carry DSD turkey decoys. It's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: a fly down pack and was designed by our own
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: Scott Sprucker, and it.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Is I mean, rather than putting them in a big
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: gunny sick yeah, rather.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Than putting the the you know, the straps around your
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: neck and it's like you put to this way and.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: To this way, we're going to get across some getting strangled, yeah, which.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: We've all done that.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: This is a really comfortable pack that's lightweight, has a
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: divider in it so it easily carries a jake and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: a hen half strut jake and a hen and maybe
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: maybe a little more than that, and then there's also
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: a chest rig and they can be worn together. And
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: the chest rig is basically to hold everything, every essential
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: thing that you need for turkey. Anningh did you bring
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: me one of those packs?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 10: Does it have a nose it replaces your turkey your
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 10: turkey vest.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: It has a yeah, and it has a pad, uh
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: seat pad.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I just want the backpack.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not quite the utility about that. That's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: what I was.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: It's a bag. I want the bag to carry the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: decoys in a guny sex. Yeah you can.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: You can put the decoy within its bag in the backpack,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: or just take it out of its bag and put it.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Put it in the backpack because it's it protects the
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: whole decoy, so that makes it super fast, super fast
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: set up.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: That's what I want.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 12: And you can buy it, Steve is just the backpack
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 12: or just the chest pack, or you can get the pair.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: And you guys are all in stock. People are gonna
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: have any problem to go to buy their decoys for
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: the spring.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so far we're we're caught up.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, good man.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I'm getting excited, like Turkey's coming. I mean it's here
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: for the you know people down south. Yeah, I'm excited.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I get this time. I get like where I all.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: I do a mental transition and I just start putting
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: junk away, Like if I had ice fish and stuff out,
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  Speaker 1: it's done, trap and stuff, put it away, just start
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  Speaker 1: clearing the deck yep. Like I lose interest in everything,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like Turkey time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an exciting time.
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  Speaker 12: And then one thing I might add to that, Steve
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  Speaker 12: is our preming hend was so popular last year and
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  Speaker 12: so many of our customers were actually buying multiple preening hens.
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  Speaker 12: It we're now offering it as a as a twin pack.
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  Speaker 12: You can get two preen hens and save a little money.
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  Speaker 1: That way sweet.
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  Speaker 3: So that was a decoy we came out with kind
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  Speaker 3: of late, so a lot of people used it last
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  Speaker 3: year and it we were really super happy with it.
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  Speaker 4: Did you bring one of those?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, We've got one here. Oh it's like
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  Speaker 2: it's like almost.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Steve happy related.
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  Speaker 10: You know, do you think when a big guy work
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  Speaker 10: comes up to two preening decoys, he's gonna go, what
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  Speaker 10: are the chances both of those ladies are preening at
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  Speaker 10: the same time?
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  Speaker 2: But I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: In our observations, it's it's it was amazing the number
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  Speaker 3: of times that four or five hens are preening together
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  Speaker 3: and they're preening the same group of feathers at the
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  Speaker 3: same time. And so that's what's so amazing about this
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  Speaker 3: decoy is that that is a sign of turkeys that
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  Speaker 3: are one hundred percent relaxed, like they will only do
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  Speaker 3: that do feather maintenance when they're just completely feeling safe.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the opposite of the decoy where they're all
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  Speaker 1: standing exactly vertical armed the side of their head. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: looking in the same direction. Yeah, that's great man. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, guys, Thanks for having me, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for geving. I like having the roundup, the Turkey roundup
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  Speaker 1: of everything that's going on this year. Fire it up,
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  Speaker 1: do a gobble, Phelps, Oh you're putting on a spa again.
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  Speaker 1: Let me hear yours, Clay, m hmm, No, felts Man,
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  Speaker 1: here's mine ready, That's all I need to hear right there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for coming on. So everybody check
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  Speaker 12: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Back Yo.
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  Speaker 18: I'm a Backwoods guys, real Joff Trophy, stay sharp because
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  Speaker 18: I know murderer's working behind them tree bus and Caps
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  Speaker 18: and me both schools.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't get a barn.
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  Speaker 18: Like a lot whom appeared like a gold chain Stephanny
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  Speaker 18: wurts like there cocaine, got a sexy ass water on
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  Speaker 18: my neck, got six inch ferst and don't disrespect.
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  Speaker 12: Back.
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  Speaker 18: tick long beard, thunder chicken, hear her head king because
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  Speaker 18: I got a white crown watching homies getting murdered dead
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  Speaker 18: on the ground at scared of a now more crow.
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  Speaker 18: my stud still the brood, knocking in the club, beef
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  Speaker 18: with the homie name Jake for shore so as Jenny
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  Speaker 18: took her home, then I made a purr.
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  Speaker 10: To my history rather than long days.
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