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The best & worst launches we've done, plus the HEAD HONCHO of cars at News.com.au · The Driver's Show

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: So I should point out that Dave McGowan is here,
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: He's been here for thirty seconds, has not said one word,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: and already he is one thousand times better of a
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: guest than Trevor Long.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: So he does about cars, which is a good stuff.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless Harry, which is pretty easy when it comes
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: to Trevor Loong. God, thankfully, thankfully that guy's not a smoker.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: He'll drop a bit of ash and start a bushfire
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: just on his shoulders. Sorry, very very good, good gear
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: from me. Good start carrying the episode once again? How
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: we should introduce Dave mccowan's here. Do we give a
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: little clap? Yay from news dot com dot you ought
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: to be a lot more professional content director for News
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: Corp Australia.
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: We beg you. Yeah, that's quite the introduction.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: I've known you for ages. Gordy has about five minutes. Yeah,
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: that's it, but we're already best.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. You've kind of moved into a new
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: role at News Limited. Tell us about what you're doing
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  Speaker 2: now in the car scene.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been writing about cars for a long time
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: and it's a lot more than writing now. I'm They
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  Speaker 3: call it the content director, but basically just get to
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  Speaker 3: get to steer the ship on how we cover cars
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  Speaker 3: as a company, and that's Yeah, it's a huge promotion.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of a lot of fun, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of video, a lot of interesting stuff, and trying to
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: find things that appeal to a really broad audience. When
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: you're looking at things like news dot com. You've got
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: thirty million people a month going to the website and
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  Speaker 3: most of them, yeah, and most of them don't want
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: to watch twenty minute long car videos and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: So we are doing things a bit differently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good point because often our editorial
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  Speaker 2: guys get lost in this world of covering car content
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  Speaker 2: for and not necessarily car enthusias, but it's very niche
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: car content, whereas news is like you're talking to the
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: guy down the street who doesn't know anything about electric cars,
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  Speaker 2: and most of those people hate them, which is understandable.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a much different, I guess scope
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  Speaker 2: to doing that. And you guys are going a lot
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  Speaker 2: on video now as well. And I've been watching some
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that you've been doing, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: vertical format sort of real type stuff. How do you
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  Speaker 2: kind of differentiate doing stuff for News Limited on the
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  Speaker 2: video front compared to what you would have done previously
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  Speaker 2: at like Fairfax, for example, in a specific car role.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, back in the day, Drive, you know, we Drive
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  Speaker 3: was very good at video a long time ago. Was
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  Speaker 3: really one of the pioneers for it. I mean back
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  Speaker 3: in the day before there was b roll or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that. There's no video crews attending car launchers. I
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: used to bring a DV camera and a tripod to
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: like a Mercedes event at Sandown and then just like
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: try and move the thing around and shoot my own stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And it was absolute. It was a horror show. And then,
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: you know, like everyone, we moved with the times and then, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, I've been at News for
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  Speaker 3: five six years now and we've really gone down the
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  Speaker 3: vertical video path because TikTok has as we all know,
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  Speaker 3: broken society, and everyone wants to consume just a few
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  Speaker 3: seconds here and there.
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  Speaker 2: Of course quite a lot more than a few seconds,
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  Speaker 2: especially with the.
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  Speaker 1: It's just because I'm an influencer now. Yeah, to Paul's point, though,
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  Speaker 1: it's an interesting position to now be in. I mean, effectively,
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  Speaker 1: content has changed and in some ways it must be
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: a cool spot to kind of be calling the shots
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  Speaker 1: because we still want to see epic bird's eye shots
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  Speaker 1: and sweeping drone shots. But also it's very raw and
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: authentic as well, where like anyone can kind of grab
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  Speaker 1: a mobile and just shoot and have a go, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that's just as interesting. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, that isn't it. I Mean, we do
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  Speaker 3: the vertical thing a lot at work, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on TikTok and all that sort of stuff as well,
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  Speaker 3: And all the most successful videos I've had on TikTok
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  Speaker 3: have been completely raw and personal, Like I did one
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  Speaker 3: this year that was I've been out for a run,
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  Speaker 3: believe it or not, and and there was.
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  Speaker 2: Sick what were you running from the cops?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I ran into the cops. There's there this hoiro
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  Speaker 3: atrog guy. I had backed up a cycling lane and
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  Speaker 3: then parked across it, basically blocking this running path and
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  Speaker 3: cycling lane and set up there in an unmarked car
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  Speaker 3: sniping people on a bridge during double demerits. And I
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  Speaker 3: had to chat with him off camera and basically said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure that this is the right
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  Speaker 3: thing to be doing, and he basically took me to
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  Speaker 3: jog on. So so I did, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then did he know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And then I thought, nah, I'm sufficiently outraged about this,
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  Speaker 3: but I think other people might be as well. And
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  Speaker 3: so I filmed this little video and it went bananas
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  Speaker 3: millions and millions of views, and which is really funny
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  Speaker 3: because you put all this effort into producing really exquisite
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  Speaker 3: stuff and doing stuff with drones and b roll and
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  Speaker 3: slow MA and all that sort of stuff, and it
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  Speaker 3: gets two thousand views and then you just do a
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  Speaker 3: quick hold your phone up in front of your face
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  Speaker 3: and talk about the cops not looking after people. That
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  Speaker 3: was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I think the difference is it's kind of one is
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  Speaker 1: a very authentic, sort of at the moment's story, and
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  Speaker 1: one is a narrative, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well you know the thing I remember when when
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  Speaker 2: you did that, I looked at that and I mean
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  Speaker 2: that is just so shit. Like I get, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're enforcing speed and whatever. That's that's a different story.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're parking across a cycling lane and the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing, I've said this before on the podcast, it's
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  Speaker 2: just such a shit image when you've got police in
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  Speaker 2: Victoria and New South Wales getting about in X fives
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  Speaker 2: and five series dicking people for speeding. It's like, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: you're in one hundred and twenty thousand dollars card the
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  Speaker 2: look here, and then to just park your five series
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  Speaker 2: straight across the cycling lane because you know I'm better
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  Speaker 2: than you. It's like, nah, fuck that. I find that
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  Speaker 2: highly insulting and I'm glad you stood up to them.
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  Speaker 2: And the best part was that he would have then
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  Speaker 2: just while he was sitting there a bone, someone been
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: flicking through news dot com today and gone, oh huh, I.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: Think that was me. Shit, that's me. I'm gonna I
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  Speaker 1: better move on myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that good.
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  Speaker 1: That was absolutely that was such a revenue raising kind
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  Speaker 1: of event, just caught then and there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, now, last episode I teased and teased and teased.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: He did you got where there's out? You teased me
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: as hard as I like. It wasn't budging. In fact,
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: at one point I coughed a dust out of it.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: I think my penis would sound like Louis the fla
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: just a little cigar. She come on, you can't teach
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: me have lee. But yes, so you went on a
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: secret mission. Yes, I'm going to try and guess was
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: this mission? Was this mission? Where was it?
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: Mission possible? Was this one? Because it all came together nicely. Yeah, actually,
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: well part of it didn't, which we'll explain in a second.
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  Speaker 2: But Dave was actually there as well. It was the
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: unveiling of the newness and patrol and that was the
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: car that I was sort of talking about. They flew
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: us over to the Middle East. Abu Dhabi was where
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  Speaker 2: they chose to launch the vehicle, and funnily enough, on
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  Speaker 2: the day of the launch, these images leaked of it
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  Speaker 2: and there were these blokes standing around in their traditional
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  Speaker 2: dress and I was like, oh, that's a bit weird.
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  Speaker 2: And then one of my friends, who's one of the
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  Speaker 2: journalists over and in the Middle East, he goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: that was actually delivered to the shake one of the
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: sheikh's homes because as part of the agreement of them
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  Speaker 2: being allowed to launch the vehicle in Abu Dhabi, they
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  Speaker 2: had to show the vehicle to this bloke ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the launch, and while the car was there, they basically
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  Speaker 2: snapped a couple of picks, sent the brown to a
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  Speaker 2: WhatsApp group and it leaked and even up until ten
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  Speaker 2: seconds before everyone in the world saw this car. They
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: were wheeling the cars into the area where we were
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  Speaker 2: completely camouflage. They had this thing dressed over the car
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  Speaker 2: so you couldn't actually see. It was a very funny joke,
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  Speaker 2: but I will definitely.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: There's some important people listening to this episode more reframe.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So, yeah, they wheeled this thing in and then
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: the second the car was there on the stage, they
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: took it off and the unveiling was incredible. They had
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: like a sand dune set up in this exhibition center
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  Speaker 2: where the car sort of drove out onto and look,
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  Speaker 2: I got I say, we've got a really close look
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  Speaker 2: at the vehicle, and to me, I think this is
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: a quantum leap forward in terms of interior, what do
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  Speaker 2: you reckon and just design in general.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks it looks amazing and you can see
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: that the thing is basically like a Japanese range drove
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  Speaker 3: and they've gone they've gone for the moon with this
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  Speaker 3: and and under the bond as well, you know, they
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: ditched the old V eight and put in a twin
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  Speaker 3: turbo six with a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit of feel about that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the other day I had back to back nis
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: and bookings where I drove a Nissan Patrol Warrior with
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: its side pipes and it's big O the eight dog.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a good sound though.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then and then I went back to back with
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  Speaker 3: a Nismo Z and that sounds not incredible at all.
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  Speaker 3: And that's supposed to be the sports car one hundred
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars sports car that you'd like to take out
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: for a driving a weekend. And you know, it's better
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  Speaker 3: to get into the family bus if you want to
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  Speaker 3: hear something that sounds good. So, yeah, the new Patrol
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  Speaker 3: will sound like a tractor, but you'll feel pretty cool
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  Speaker 3: inside it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even some of the tech like they
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: had this, I don't think this has been in any
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  Speaker 2: other cars before. Basically biometric climate control and what they're
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: able to do usee a infrared sensor mounted to the roof.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: When an occupant enters the vehicle, it's able to measure
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: their skin temperature and if they've been out in the
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: in the searing desert heat, which is exactly what it was,
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  Speaker 2: it basically will detect that you're you've just come in
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: the car, you're hotter than everyone else, and we will
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: increase the fans speed near you. Oh my god, it
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: cools you down, which is amazing.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: That's so Japanese. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: that's amazing.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: And for people listening to this driving with their pets,
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: and you can imagine the dogs of Australia love to have
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: this implemented. Veterinarians officers.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: Actually I heard Trevor jump to one of those and
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: the aircond just aims straight for his num.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't find them. But yeah, other cool stuff
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: pneumatic massaging, and there is a key difference, and I'm
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: going to sound like an absolute waker here, but if
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: you get into like a French car and you turn
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: the massage seats on, it's like, is someone lightly pushing
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: my seat from behind? You don't feel a thing. Pneumatic
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  Speaker 2: massages it's like someone, Yeah, someone's driving a knife into
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: your back. So it's got a set of those, which
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: is great. They released a Pro four X version which
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: is like an off road friendly one. That twin turbo
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: V six will be interesting because to me, I have
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: a look at everyone that buys a patrol these days.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: The second they get them, they modify them. They'll lift
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: big wheels, big tires, snork, they just go to town
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: on them. The second Nissan goes down this path of
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: turbo charging this car, it's got air suspension. Now you're
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: just removing. There was even another thing that was pointed
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: out by my Middle Eastern friend over there. Basically he
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: was saying that when they jack up patrols in the UAE,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: at the moment, there's enough clearance between the basically the
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: suspension components and the body fit to fit big, big wheels.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: What they've now done though, to meet crash test requirements
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: for the states where they have I think it's called
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: the near offset, where they basically crash the car into
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: what is a parked car, effectively the narrow overlap now
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: overlap that's in it, but you're only glancing it. These big
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: vehicles that are on ladder frame chassis, they're designed to
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: have like a basically a wheel ejector. So if your
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: wheel hits the side of this car, instead of it
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: folding into the cabin and intruding into your footwell, it's
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: got basically a metal component that's attached to the chassis
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: that ejects the wheel out the side of the car,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: so you don't have it in the way, so if
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: A look, gee, you wouldn't want to be near that crash, correct.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: But if you have a look at the chassis, it
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: basically prevents you from from fitting some of the big
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: wheels that you can currently fit to patrol. So he
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: pointed that out to me, and I'm like, oh, I
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: didn't even notice that. So I'm going to have a
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: closer look at that because it is going to affect
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: what you can do to this in terms of modifications.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing this in terms of like the looks
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: of it. It does look quite premium, like it's quite
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: a plush looking, almost European car, and I thought, who's
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: going to put a big sports bar on this? And yeah,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: you would, Fat Pogan, But I just thought, like you,
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: it's actually quite a beautiful looking car. I think then
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: this in Patrol needed this, and my first thoughts were,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: people are going to just modify the shit out of this.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: It will be interesting about the suspension, though, because isn't
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: that under some sort of subscription I think.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: They were talking about They briefly mentioned subscription stuff, but
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: I think the translating wasn't great because someone asked, what
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: is the mass, and he said thirty five hundred kilos.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, it hasn't added a ton since
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: you've updated it. And I watched a few of the
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: videos back after and a lot of people quoted thirty
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: five hundred kilos as the mass. I'm like, that's not true.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: On the subscription run, it does. It's hooked up with
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: Google as an OS, so you can you can use
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: Google Play apps and all that sort of stuff in
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: the big touch green in the middle of the car,
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: which and they've basically said, yeah, this is going to
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: be revenue stream forests going forward for this and for
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: other car companies as well.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: What do you think about subscriptions.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: I've been thinking about it a lot lately. Got a
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: story coming out about it pretty pretty soon that you'll
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: see up on news dot com. They're everywhere, you know.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: The other day I attended to launch of the new
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: smart hashtag one and hashtag three fucking stupid. Yeah you
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: said it. And this thing has has a little digital avatar.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: So if you're old enough to have used Microsoft word
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: back in the day where they had Clippy, the.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: Little the little clip, hard guy, can I help you off?
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: It looks like you're writing a letter and this this this,
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: you know, there will be like a little little fox
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: or a little cheetah in the corner of the screen,
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: like a little animated animal that will be like, oh,
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: it looks like you're trying to adjust the air conditioning.
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: Can I help you with that? And this is this
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: is genuinely I think that's in the car now. And
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: you can choose between a fox or a cheetah for free.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: But if you want to design your own sort of
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: advatars in China you can. You can unlock other avatars,
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: but it's all it's all money. You're paying to do
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: it all, and then you can pay for accessories for them,
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: like little hats and wings and looks.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Like a meat pie on a bean bag, like a.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Good Saturday afternoon.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: But that's the thing.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I get. Subscriptions and those little titty bits for kids.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: If you're a kid that plays Fortnite and all that stuff,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: you force your parents into buying the little upgrades. And
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: I've never played for they spend a lot of money
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: on it, though, But it seems to me if you're
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: an adult, I mean, would you really paid as people?
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: There are people out there.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Really, but there are a lot of them.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I just can't get it on my genesis. So there
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: would be that want some kind of cutesy little bloody
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: raccoon or something like that. When you're clicking on.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: There, it's my raco.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: There is cheeky little Trevor the raccoon. Oh look we
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: didn't do a little dance. Yeah, I don't know.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I get the concept of it. To me. Subscriptions make
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: sense for stuff like what Tesla does, where you can
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: pay to get premium connectivities. You're getting satellite maps, you're
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: getting Spotify, all that sort of stuff, and if you
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: don't want it, you don't need to have it.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing with say Apple car Play, Like
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Apple car Plays got all that for you and it's
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: just running off.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: That's why Tesla doesn't let you have Apple Yeah Play.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: But this will be I reckon one to watch because
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I've got a feeling Apple car Play or Apple in itself.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: That'll be their new thing, will be trying to get
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: in on car companies. Perhaps I don't know, but that's
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: what they're doing now.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Dave.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: You would have seen the demo they had of the
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: entire Apple car right, it's not a physical car, but
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: it's a takeover of the infotainment.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: That's the idea is the digital dashboards and cars your
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: car play instead of it just being on the little
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: screen in between the driver and passenger, that will fully
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: take over the dashboard. And there are car companies that
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: have said that they're going to do it. Porsche's committed
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: to it. I think it'll be probably in this generation
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of kN at some point. It hasn't launched with it.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Though, Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I think they're close to that because we we didn't
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: talk about this, but the week before the patrol thing,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I went to drive the ex ninety Volvo in the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: States and that car has been delayed now a year,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: maybe longer. And it actually follows on with that discussion
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: we had in the last steps about Rivian, where they've
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: gone and designed the software stack from virtually ground up,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and the biggest issue that they have when it comes
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: to stuff like infotainment and the screens in cars is
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: that there's different vendors for everything. You've got n Video
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: running some of the graphic systems for your head up
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: display and the driver in sort of screen. Then you've
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: got Google, Android Automotive OS running your infotainment system. That
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of stuff there. But you can
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: imagine if Apple took over everything you Basically, in my mind,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it would be a much smoother experience. Everything would just
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: work well.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. We're carrying this thing around
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. It's next to us when we sleep.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: It's kind of.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Anyone who can't see this, he's holding his.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Phone, sorry, holding not anything else. This is just for
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: our substacklessness. What that is I don't know, but yeah,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: it's basically just like your phone's an extension of yourself.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: So I kind of go, it's just such an easier
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and cheaper thing, Like you're already paying for the apps
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: on your phone surely when you just want to plug
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: it into your car, get it all up and there
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you go. I mean, I feel divided about it because
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: it feels I get the reasoning behind it in terms
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: of user experience, but I also feel like it's just
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a revenue raising kind of tool from those.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Car company one hundred percent. Like I was talking to
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: BMW about it the other day. The current generation X five,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: you can buy a base model car that has sports
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: suspension in it, well, like adaptive suspension that has comfort
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: in sports mode to access that it's twenty nine dollars
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a month or two hundred and ninety dollars for a year.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: And I think the idea with this is that it's
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: not so much about the first owner but the subsequent owners,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: because people are looking at this exactly like your iPhone. Right,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: so you buy your iPhone sixteen, if you're going to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: get the new one in a couple of weeks, it's
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: just going to roll over all the subscriptions and all
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: the apps and all the preferences that you had on
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: your previous generation phone. And I think the car companies
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: are looking at it in a similar sort of way,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: where when you roll from one car to the next,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: as you know, you roll over a lease or whatever,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: it will have all your favorite preferences. It will know
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: automatically what your preferred radio stations are, what you're preferred
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you know, climate control settings, all that sort of stuff,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: and other things too, like calendars and all that sort
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: of stuff. It's all synced in, so it will have
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: that as part of the services. In the same way
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: that you know, if I switch from my iPhone fifteen
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to sixteen, it's going to roll over and have Ko
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and Spotify and all the stuff that I'm paying for
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: without me having to sign up for anything new, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the phone is just a vessel for those digital services.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's the way they're looking at it from
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a car perspective.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Apps and stuff I can kind of get because you
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: can pick and choose what you like, and it's up
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to you if you really want fucking Netflix in your
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: car whatever. But when it comes to stuff like whether
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it be I don't know, suspension subscription so you can
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: get like sports suspension or massage seats or you know whatever,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I just that kind of thing. I mean, I get
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you're kind of paying for that extra anyway, but I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: feel like if it's in the car all along, you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: should just fucking be able to have it.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is KEYA In the US. I've got
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: a mode for the EV nine. I wonder who'd buy
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: one of those to access to access the cars like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: it's got a level of performances standard, but if you
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: want to go a little bit faster than you've got
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: to buy a Boost mode, which is nine hundred US
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: dollars again, fourteen hundred bucks to access. But it doesn't
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: change anything physically. It just changes the software in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: motor and the and the battery, the way that it
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: outputs energy. I mean, Motor Train did a really great
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: story with this where they've got a long term EV
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: nine and they went into the touchscreen and bought everything
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: that they could find and it was twenty eight hundred dollars.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of shit, So like if you've
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: got imagine imagine you know, your your kids footy training
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: or something like that, and that you're the parent out
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: they're standing with the umbrella and one of your kids says, oh,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: can I just go and sit in the car? Please
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: come back to like three grand whether of stuff that've had.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's now convertible. They've pressed too many buds.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Some of it's really interesting, like this idea that you know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: if you've got a favorite sports team, you can customize
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the car's ambient lighting and the and the theme of
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: the dashboard to like the La Laker And that's a
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: one off, forty dollars charge over there, But you could
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: probably do that anyway by just messing around with the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: ambient lighting and all that sort of stuff deep in
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the menus.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, as a as a Forward Ranger owner,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I've been having a look at the range of forums,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and they've got this tool that you can basically plug
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: into the OBD port and it's called four scan or
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: something like that. But you can BA four scar.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Sure you've got a hel one if you can drive
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a Raptor.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: But basically it allows you to enable all of these
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: features that your car has but you don't have. So
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: for example, if you drive any ever store or Ranger
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that isn't equipped with it, you only have a certain
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: number of drive modes, whereas if you enable these features,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you can actually have something like a sport mode. Then
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: they have a sort of tank turn feature which they've
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: released on the Tremor, which all the cars can do.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You just tick a box and then it appears on
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the infotainment screen. It's just again it's all soft, we're driven.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: All the cars have the same hardware. It's just the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: software is then enabled to allow it to happen.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So this thing is basically a plug in that kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of hacks the system pretty much.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's some sort of a license. Someone whiz
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: bang has come up with this, but I think it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's like you said, you could do it to any car.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Really if you know that the hardware is there, it
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: will just do it for you. So yeah, it's that's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. Now, I was gonna throw a little bit
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of a curveball here. The worst car launch you've ever attended?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't thought about that much at all. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: mean the smart one the other day did miss in
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: a couple of places. There there's no video to start with,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: so that's that's pretty hard these days. And this is
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: what we're doing, except that I loved it because I
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: just shoot everything on my phone.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And no one else can.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically knock that one out really quick. And you
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: know the lunch was like lobster tail and oysters and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: caviat No, no really it's seafood and that was about eleven.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: As poor bastard.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I know. Look it is. It is a struggle, yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: but we will prevail.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Do you find do you find that certain countries put
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: on better parties than others, Like like Chinese car companies
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: will bring out everything, whereas I don't know, a German
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: company might just be like, sit up and enjoy our car.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on how much they want to impress here.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I remember the first time I went on a key launch,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: there was a sixteen course Deiga station lunch and the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: first time I went on a Mercedes launch it was
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: for an AMG product that everyone It was the new
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: A forty five when that first came out like ten
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: years ago, and that was that was a really hot
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: car that everyone wanted to drive. And lunch was at
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: a pie shop and then and the pr blow could
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: just put his credit card on the bar. I was like, yeah,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, treat yourself to a milkshake if you love.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Like talking about bad press launches, I mean, Paul and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I attended an absolute cracker of one in the Middle East.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: He knows where I'm going with this. It was a
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: it was, it was brilliant. It was for the Maserati
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Levante diesel, which I think we can all agree is
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: not a great car to start with. I mean they
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: launched that thing with a diesel from an old Jeep
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: which was really bad. And the later lot, don't get
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: me wrong, they were incredible. They put these twin turbo
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: v eights in them basically out of a Ferrari for
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: it eight and they were fast and they sounded awesome.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: But the original cars were new, no, not that, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: they wanted to show how capable this thing was off road.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: So we went into the desert with two or three
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: press cars and then we were supported by another vehicle,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: which I assumed was going to be a patroll or
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a land cruise or something like that, but it was
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: another Maserati and every single one of them shot the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: bed spectacularly, I think the best ones. Like I was
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: following Paul at one point, and yeah, like the air
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: suspension was dumping out, so these things would have them
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: raised up as high as possible to drive in deep
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: sand in the desert, and then when the air suspension
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: would pack in, they would turn into like la low
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: riders and they scrape their bellies on.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: The sand like a shovel.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there was that. I mean, the electric
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: parking brakes are basically welding themselves on. The cabins were
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: filling with sand and everything was clogging up. I mean,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I had I've got a video of the check engine
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: lights and warning lights on my phone that's about three
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: minutes long.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It was pretty epic, and the support vehicle was pretty
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: funny as well, because that thing died and then Paul like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: we don't get me wrong, we get spoilt quite a bit.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: There is that there is like I'm not exaggerating about
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: lobster tails and cavea that happens. We were not spoilt
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: on this event though, where we were digging these things
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: out of the sand with our bare hands.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Basically, do you know what the best part about that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: story is the most reliable car there was, the Press
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: mini bus to get you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know, that launch was so bad that it was
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: so good. You know, it was so bad that I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: had so much fun there because we then did hot
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: lapse and this dude bailed us up in one of
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the cars and I'm looking over his shoulder. He's kicking
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the shit out of this thing. I'm looking over his shoulder.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how do we have a full take of fuel?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And I looked again.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, that's engine temperature.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It was all the way up.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, mate, I think you need to let
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this thing get some breath because it is fucked those cars.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: One of them, one of the wheel arch guards came
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: off from when it fucking dumped its ass, And there
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: was just this vision of the boss of Maserati having
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to rip this thing off and put it in the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: boot and there was so much sand inside. They had
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: those stupid shifters in the middle. All you could hear
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: was crunching as you change it. So that was that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: was something else.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: When the boss of Maserati is pulling off, mate, it
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: was a freaking bumper guard and putting in the boot
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of a car terrific.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: That would have gone off in the Abidabbi shakes group chat.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I certainly didn't.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like fifty degrees outside. It was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: properly hot, and I just thought you wouldn't even take
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a land cruiser out in this weather one of these things,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, that was that was memorable.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Fuck what about the best one? What's one of the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: ones where you go that was wild?
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Ah my reflex reaction. I did it. Did a Ford
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Mustang thing in America last year that was just incredible.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: So we so for the it was a new generation Mustang.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It's just launching in Australia now and this thing is
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the face of motus board around the world, so it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: used in supercars, it runs at Lamon, runs in NASCAR
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. So we did a
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: bit of a NASCAR trip We drove them flat out
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: on a NASCAR roval, which is like half oval on
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the banking, half road course. And this was like, I've
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: never known anything like this before. I've driven them track plenty,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: but you know, I had to wear hands device that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: you know, embraces your neck against your body so that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: if you have a huge crash and you don't snap
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: your spine.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And it was on Christopher Reeve yourself.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, and I realized that I was in trouble
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: because I was on the banking doing like two hundred
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and forty k's an hour, realizing that I didn't need
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to look left, I needed to look up because that's
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that's that's how the banking works, because you tipped on
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: your side and the car is basically it's like heading
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: uphill the whole time. And I couldn't crash down in
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the seat enough to look up through the windscreen because
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I was restricted by these these hands cables on my helmet.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: And then that was another one that was forty degrees.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we you know, we did those, and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: we did like a road trip across the States through
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you know, through the South, and you know, stopped for
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: like fried chicken and waffles, and I went to went
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: to Penskes went to a NASCAR race now cars, Like
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I was really dismissive of it before going there, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: then you see these guys racing packs. It's it's an
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: incredible sport. Like one of their best drivers had a
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: huge crash in the in the race last weekend, guy
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: named Kyle Larson, because his car snapped on him because
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: he's driving it right on the edge. He's cornering it
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: like three hundred odd kilometers an hour on the oval
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and the car like fifty meters in front of him
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: has just shifted over half a lane. And what it
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: did was it changed the aerow balance of his car
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: mid corner. It took a bit of took a bit
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of downforce out of the front end basically, and it
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: just changed the balance and it just snapped and sent
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: him into the fence at like three hundred and this
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: this sort of stuff happens all the time. The cars
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: roll and all that. They're not just turning left. The
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: guys that are like and a lot of the time
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: they're oversteering, like basically drifting.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You know the dude that rode the wall all the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: way around.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Was that a NASCAR It wasn't it was. That's that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: a test, But yeah, that was. That was like a
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: race to stay in the championship.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Last year, they basically, I don't know if you saw it,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: they basically he raced as the championship. He had to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: get around all these cars and he basically so with
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Venascar Oval, you've got the wall. He basically just went
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: up close to the wall and just nailed it and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: then used the wall to hold his car all the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: way around overtook a whole shiploader cars.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: That's amazing, unbelievable.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: But they've now banned that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I think they have. Yeah, they've got a couple of
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: rules in there like that. I mean, it's an incredible sport,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: like they're so specialized in what they do. But then
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: also you send someone like Shane ben Gisberg and over
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: there and he brains them because none of them, none
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: of them use a clutch when driving the manuals, which
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: is really weird, right, So they would just basically put
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: have their left foot on their break and the right
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: foot on the gas and just never use the clutch
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: on downshifts. And this is why Bean Gisberg and scooed
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: them all in the rain because these guys were coming
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: into breaking in the wet and trying to downshift a
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: couple of times going into a corner pressure and just yeah, compression,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you're just like smashing it down through the gears and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: snatching the rear wheels, whereas like Shane, Shane's using the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: clutch as a tool to modulate the way that the
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: talker is hitting the rear tires on downshifts and you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: heal and towing and all that sort of stuff, which
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: is like a really old school technique going back forever.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: He's such a good driver, he's you know, he's proven
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: here in Australia that he's that he's he's made of it,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: because he's now up in another category over there. He
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: got promoted, is that right?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So he's been racing in their second
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: tier just called the Xfinity Series and doing the odd
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: drive in the in the top class which is called
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the Cup Series. And yeah, Van Gisbergan is going to
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: race full time in the Cup Series next year, which
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: will yeah, it'll be great. I mean, like the race
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: that he won in Chicago, I think there was eight
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: million dollars in prize money involved something, So it's like
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: more than any any supercar driver's entire career earnings in
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: one day. Wow, that's pretty great.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It's almost quite funny. There was commentary this is how
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: useless my memory is. There was commentary I think was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: over the weekend with one of the NASCAR drivers saying
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that he would be he would school the stap and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: at a at a NASCAR trip.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: That's last and the guy that had the big snap,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And I just I love that that they actually don't
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: really give too much of a ship.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They're not Formula one drivers, like it is so big
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: over in the States, and maybe it'll be a little
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: bit different now that Formula one has kind of taken
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: off in the States as well. But I just think
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that they have Yeah, they've just got this huge ego.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Oh they've got a status over there. What was that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Remember that Will Farrell movie.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: It's a documentary.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he just walks around like he is king
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of the world. And you kind of like it's funny
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: because I don't think I would have been interested unless
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I went myself. But you look on the outside and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you kind of go, these dudes are just like Meadhead celebs.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's there's NASCAR Drive to Survive. It's called NASCAR
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Full Throttle. It's on Netflix as well, and it's and
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the opening shots is basically it's pretty much Ricky Bobby.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: The guys like piss excellence and you know, he drives,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: drives to drop his kids at school with them sitting
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: on his lap while he's driving, because he just doesn't
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: give a ship. Yes, I've seen the first episode of
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Thunder and then it shows it, you know, it shows
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: his mansion, which is just massive. That's actually one of
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the great things. One of the drivers bought the man
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: from Ricky Bobby's bought Ricky Bobby's mansion from Talladaga Nights. Right, Yeah, anyway, Yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: so the first episode of this NASCAR series shows the guy,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you know, with his jet and his helicopter and his
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: massive mansion.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And yeah, his tracker cap and he's got his daughter
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: on the I do.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Know that none of them want to do Formula one
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: because it's it's really well done, because they don't. If
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you go to a NASCAR race, there's no support stuff,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: there's no you don't watch qualifying or anything. You show
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: up the fans can walk around on the track literally
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: walking on the track surface like until ten minutes before
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the race starts, and then when the race finishes, they
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the pits and everything are all temporary. It's like it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: like camping equipment basically, and they and they put it
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: on their truck and they hit the road and the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: guys are all home for dinner basically.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Travel the world like it's well, I don't know if
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know the answer to this, but is how does
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the prize money compare in NASCAR to Formula One?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Formula One, like NASCAR, has actual legit prize money which
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: they issue based on based on you know, where you
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: finish in race. The Americans do it like that. You
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: win the five hundred, you get X million dollars. Everyone
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: knows it. It's like a published figure before and I
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: remember it off the top of my head. If one
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't really work like that. But the drivers are incredibly
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: well paid and then most of them will have performance
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: bonuses in their courses. It's the same in the supercars.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: There's no prize money in supercars per se. If you
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: win pop position, you get like a grand yep, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you win the bat this one thousand. There's no prize
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: money for that, except that all the drivers have it
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: written into their contract. Like if you're driving for Red
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Bull or whatever, like you win Bathist, you're going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: get a nice payday on top of your salary.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It's interesting there. I'm curious to know your thoughts on
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Chinese cars. We talk Chinese cars pretty much every episode,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and we get a lot of people raging and emailing
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: us telling us how shit they are and all that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. There's a whole stack of Chinese brands
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: coming to Australia. What is the limit to this? Do
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you think that we'll see more or less over the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: next sort of three to five years When you look
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: at all the stuff that is coming, I think.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: We're going to see more. And then let I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen is this, We're going to reach
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a saturation point and the ones that don't have a
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: strong following, that don't have strong backing, are going to
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: dip out pretty quickly. So some of these I don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: want to name the brand that I think is going
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: to fail, but you look at some of these things, yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you can see that they don't really have the back
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: in the way they should. I think they all look
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: at things like BYD, which came in with basically no
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: support from a big manufacturer, but they also timed it
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to perfection BYD coming in right on the cusp of COVID,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: right when there's the semiconductor shortage, right when people are
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you know, there's this ev leasing thing comes in which,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: by the way, it costs the government five times more
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: than they thought it would and it's just blown up.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: So BYD they knocked it out of the park. And
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: then so everybody else has gone, oh shit, we could
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: do that. I'm not convinced that they can though, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: there certainly is. Yeah, there's a lot of competition there.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, would I personally buy one, No, not not
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: many of them, A couple maybe, But it also I
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: think if it all depends on your expectations. Right, If
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you love cars and you're a petrol head and you
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: love the way cars drive, and you know you've got
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: yourself for like a Mustang or a golfer or something
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like that, you're not gonna like many of these things.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: But if you if you've been driving around in like
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: a you know, like an old camera or something like that,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: and you're looking for something, something new you get into,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: even like a Cherio motor or something like that. Like
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I just picked up one of those today, and the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: amount of stuff they jam into one of those things
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: for forty grand is really impressive. And it's like the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: video you did the other day with the perfume in
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: a car, Like you're not like, what Toyota has perfume
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: in it?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But you know, just an update on that. He's exhausted
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: all the perfume. He's a sweaty bastard.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And at least I small goods.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually the It's funny you say that because
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I had a Seal the performance and also the long range,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: which is I think about six fifty, and I thought
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to myself, this feels like a really good commuter car,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the Seal, do you know what I mean? But then
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: there are Chinese brands that without naming names, that just
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: miss it in so many ways.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Oh they all, I mean, there's no there's no perfect car.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: What I find really interesting about this is an enthusiast
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: like my car at home, I've got a I've got
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: a Reno Sport McGain that have done a few mods
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: with and the things really well set up for track work.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: So I really love the way that car handles and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: brakes and all of that. And it doesn't have a
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: lot of powers one hundred and ninety five kilowats, but
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: it's got you know, big fat prairie trafe tires. It's
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: actually got bridged on Ari seventy one irs on at
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the moment, shameless plug, thank you for the big tires
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: for But it's got it's got semi slecks, it's got
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: race brakes and all that sort of stuff, and it's
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: fantastic and it's not that fast and a straight line.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But then a lot of these, a lot of these EV's,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: particularly the Chinese ones, are in the opposite direction. Like
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: you drive a Volvo Ex thirty dual motor and the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: thing does naught to one hundred and roughly the same
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: time as a Ferrari of forty. And it's on like
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: just pretty ordinary eco minded tires. Yeah, and the suspension
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: set up to ride well and doesn't necessarily you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: corner and steer, and the you know, the by D
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: seals is a bit like that for me as well.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: The cars that impress on a brief test drive, you
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: get into them and you've got all the features. You
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: got heated and cooled seats and big touch screen that
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: tips on its side, and all that sort of stuff,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: but they don't really feel like they've been engineered in
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the same way.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: They've been engineered very quickly. Yeah, that's one of the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: key differences. They will release a car to market very quickly,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and they take a lot of off the shelf parts
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: and they don't do the level of tuning to stuff
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: like the ride and the things that you would expect.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: But and in saying that, a lot of people don't know.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: You know, when they go by let's say that cherry, right,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you're getting all the stuff inside, and if you're just
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: driving around the city, no one's ever going to know.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: But it's only when you head out to the country
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you hit some choppy roads and you're like, holy shit,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: this thing is all over the place. But at that
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: point you know it might not be something you do off.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: So I had this with the MG three Hybrid, which
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: is a really interesting This little MG three hybrid has
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and has a lot of power. Actually it's one hundred
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and forty kilo, so it's like a ten year old
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: GDI or something, but it only has a fairly small
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: battery and you can deplete it you absolutely carry So
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I had this, you know, if you know Sydney. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: drove it down the M five and turned off at
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Picton and there's a country road loop that I like
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: to use there where it's in one hundred kzon and
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: it's got a few you know, rocking hills and some
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: off camber corners and things. And yeah, I was driving
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: it up a hill and it just stopped accelerating. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: what's really crazy is there's a figure on the dashboard
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: that tells you how many killer what's the car is making,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: and usually that's useless information, but in this case, you
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: see the thing go from one hundred and twenty whatever
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: KILLO wats to like fifty to help me, and yeah,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: it feels like someone's knocked the car into neutral. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: then I went and repeated it a couple of times
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and rang them up and was like, what is going on?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I had no idea about.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That same experience, we did half a lap of the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: right and handling track of the proving ground and it
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: got to the point where your foot would be through
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the firewall and the speed I would not be increasing,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: it would just not move and then you let off
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the throttle, you give it a minute, you go for
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: it again, and then you get thrown back in the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: seat for another twenty seconds. Then it disappears and they've
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: got this I can't remember if it was THEMG three
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: or if it was maybe the jolly On. We've got
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: like a two speed transmission as well. So it gets
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to a point where like one hundred ish kilometers an
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: hour where it changes into its other gear and there's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like a five second delay, and then it dips down
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: in speed, gets its next gear, and then it goes
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: goes up again and it's like like, what are you doing? Yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And that's actually my concern. I know ten thousand tangents here,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: but that is actually my concern with plug in hybrid uts.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: If you look at that bid, if you drive at
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: longer distance, get to the point where you've drained that
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: thirty kilo what our battery and you're towing something, you're
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: going to get to a hill where you deplete the
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: reserve energy and you're going to have a little one
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and a half lead to trying to tow two and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a half tons plus your vehicle plus it's wait up
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: this hill. It is going to be potentially a horror show.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing I'm going to be testing
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: when I get one of those, or the Ranger as well,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: because I get the concept of it. It all sounds
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: great on paper, but when you actually put it to use,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be just like that MG
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: three where you deplete the battery, which you will do
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to driving.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: You know that's not potential. Doesn't imagine getting a wobble
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: on with a trailer and the car deciding now is
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the time to throw the brakes.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: On you got to overtake. I mean, it's just there's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: just so many situations there where that doesn't make any sense.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about a story that you
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: broke it at News about the novated lease incentives that
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the government has. So for a lot of people that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: are listening, they might have an electric vehicle under the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: luxury car attacks that they've got on a novated lease.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It means it's FBT exempt, means you get to take
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: hard more money at the end of the day. Plug
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: in hybrids also eligible for that as well. Can you
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: run us through what the government thought this would cost
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and what it actually costs.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a really fun story. Actually they didn't
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: really want me to write it. There's a bit of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: back and forth about this, but essentially, yeah, there's there's
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: an EV discount that was put in place by the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Albanezi government to encourage people to lease evs, not buy them,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: because they wanted people to lease them and then trade
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: them in at the end of the lease. And they thought, oh, yeah,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: there's a few people seeing evs now, and we think
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: this will encourage a bit of take up. And they
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: their original forecast was that the first four years of
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: this would cost about two hundred and forty million dollars,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and what it actually cost in lost tax revenue over
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: five years it was one point eight billion.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Just a little miss. Theres got to carry the one one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that album.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: They claim They claim that they change the way that
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: they calculate things as part of this process, which which
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: might be true. Shit yeah, but also but also, I mean,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: but you can see it with your own eyes, like
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: how many white Tesla model wires are out there, like people,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: people are buying these things. And also anyone that is
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: in an EV really is doing this and it's it's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: it's well more than half of EV's on the road
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: these days, at least you'd be mad not to really,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: because like I mean, there have been times I keep
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: an eye on this. There have been times where the
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: cheapest car de lease in Australia has been an EV,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: where it's like hundred and thirty bucks a week.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: It is so cheap, Like if you're one of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: people that went on a five year lease and got
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it locked in two years ago when interest rates were
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: low and you were getting a low comparison rate, you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: are not paying much for that vehicle. But I think
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: we've explained this in previous episode. The issue with all
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: of this is residuals at the end. And now if
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you look at car sales, you can no longer do
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: an instant off from an electric vehicle. No one wants
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: an electric vehicle as in to buy secondhand, so no
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: one's buying them as a consumer, and no one is
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: buying them as a dealer. Right, dealers will not touch
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: electric vehicles.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I can imagine a dealer not touching it, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: because I think there'll be all sorts of issues with that.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: But private, I thought the private market would still be okay.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: We sold the Tesla and it took like three days.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, private, private market's a little bit different. So you're
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: selling it, selling it to some Joe and they'll come
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and buy it. But a lot of trades that happen
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: with new car dealers. If you're going to buy a
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: new car, they'll trade in your old one. And then
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: these instant office services that are transacting hundreds and hundreds
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and hundreds of cars a day are basically sending out
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: off as constantly. Well they've all now Car sales has
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: stopped doing that, and they had a lot of those
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: on their books, so it's telling you that they can't
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: flip these things. So dealers don't want to have an
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: electric vehicle there because they're impossible to sell. And this
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: this thing about selling privately, I've got alert set up
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: for Model Y and Model three. Every day there as
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: ten or twenty that are listed, so people are flooding
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the market at the moment with them, You're going to
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: find that the floor price will just collapse and the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: prices that you see on car sales will be you.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Know, well, the range is crazy anyway. It would go
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: from anything for say a model why, anything from say
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: fifty five to fucking eighty thousand dollars, and yeah, you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: can get a brand new one for seventy eight thousand dollars.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like it's wild.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: But watch what happens next year as well, because this
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: policy came into effect in twenty twenty two. Yep, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: no one leases a car for two years. Well you can,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: but at a lot of people, a lot of people
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: will go like three to get their payments down. So
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: from next year the market is going to be absolutely
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: flooded with modern wine model three and these things. You're
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: going to be absolutely sport for chores, which I mean
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: if it means if you'd like trying to do uber
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: on a budget or something like that, you're gonna be
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: able to pick up one of these things for like
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: twenty five grand.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: If you want it secondhand, you're in a good position
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: at the moment to haggle. But I always warned people
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: about buying a secondhand electric vehicle that if you are
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: getting something that's three four years old, you are dicing
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: with the possibility that you're going to have a battery
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that's cooked. You're going to get very close to the
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: end of the battery warranty. You're outside of the vehicle's warranty.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Typically it's just not a great position to be in.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: And it's not as if you can just go get
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a reconditioned engine, which you can do with a lot
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of older cars. This is new battery. Even a reconditioned
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: battery is an expensive process.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I had a mate who did a Tesla what's the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: fucking old thing with the gold model X put a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: new battery in that for seventeen thousand dollars. It took
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: his battery power from something like seventy five to eighty
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: four percent, So like right, and it's a brand new battery,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So it's the strangest
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: thing ever he bought. He literally paid seventeen thousand dollars.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: The other part of it, too, is this is one
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: of the things in this we're talking about with this
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: last week was solid state batteries where it feels like
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: hydrogen and then it's perpetually around the corner, and like, oh,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: we're going to do it just just a few weeks
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: full self driving. Yeah, they were saying exactly they were saying,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: but they're saying they're going to have solid state cars
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: on the road. In a trial purpose this year, which
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: there's not a whole lot of twenty twenty.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Four September as this. Don't see that happening.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: That could yeah, could could be tricky, but they're basically
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: saying these batteries are so small and dense that they
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: could you could pack them within the chazy rails of
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: something like a Navara or a patrol.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: You keep hearing this stuff, and it's like, all right,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: if it was possible, why has everyone not done it now?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I just feel like everyone keeps talking about it, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about it for years and years. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: if you think about if she's COVID as an example,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: you had one point where everyone is working on vaccines
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and all the sort of stuff associated with COVID all sorts. Yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: so now you've got the same story. In evs. Everyone
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: is working on solid state. It's not just car companies,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it is private companies, big corporations. No one has come
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: up with anything that's viable yet, and if they did,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it would be in production tomorrow because it would give
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you the ultimate advantage over everyone else. Battery tech really
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: hasn't evolved as much as you know cars.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I just wish charging tech evolved like I had. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: had a Porsche tykwon turbo last week, which is you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: it's not only like the fastest EV you can buy,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: it's the fastest charging EV you can buy. And I
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: took it to a place that had had one hundred
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: and fifty kilo what charges, They delivered thirty eight killer
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: charge to the car, And then I took it to
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: another one that had seventy five and it was it
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was like in the mid thirties again, and that was
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and in both cases there were no other evs around,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Like if there was someone right next to you plugged in,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: it'd be even worse. And you just you can't depend
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: on yeah stuff Sometimes well.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: You've seen Ampole roll back there targets for installing EV
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: charges at fuel stations because they're saying that they can't
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: get grid capacity to roll out DC fast charges across
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: where their fuel stations are located. So if am Pole,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a company that has received millions of dollars of government funding,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: can't do it, I mean, what hope is there for
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: anyone else? And the other thing, bizarre thing, how does
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a company like Tritium go out of business? You are
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: making the thing that is the most in demand around
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the world at the moment. How are these charging companies
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: going out of business?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Another government? What's in charge?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Fox funded by the government of one.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Poll, it's partly funded. There's so many of these companies
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that just get lots of money from the government. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: even the topic of I don't know if we discussed
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: this in the last episode, but the topic of Norway.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Everyone uses Norway as this you know, wow, it's the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: amazing Fountain of Youth style thing. And last month they
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: had something like ninety seven percent of new car sales
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in Norway were electric vehicles, and they're all like, great,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: this is where we want to be. What they didn't
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: mention is that Norway has something like four billion US
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: dollars a year in government incentives for residents to buy
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: these electric cars, and internal combustion cars are something like
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: twenty to thirty thousand dollars more expensive comparatively to an
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: electric car after the discounts. Car market is also tiny
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: compared to Australia, So when you add all this stuff up,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, you're spending four billion dollars a year
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to get people into these cars, and the charging and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. You just look at that
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: money and you're like, could that have been better spent
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: on something else. I don't know what hospitals are like
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: in Norway, but they're pretty shit over here.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: The prisons apparently about you just get salient.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: It's some big blonde hole comes through as your body guard.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think you look at the volume
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: of money we're spending on this at the moment, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: there is just so much stuff that we could be
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: doing as well instead of helping effectively wealthy people buy cars.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I mean coming back to China and cars, and that's
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: that's the really interesting thing that's going on overseas, is
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: these like tariffs on evs. You know, if Trump gets in,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: it sounds like he's not going to be easy to
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: sell a Chinese car in America. And if you look
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: at the EU, you know they've got some pretty steep
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: penalties on things like MG. You know, only a couple
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago, Volkswagen was was basically playing a game
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: of chicken with the European governments to say we're going
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: to shut down the factories and things, which is it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: just not viable for us to build cars here anymore
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: at the moment unless unless things change, and that's you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that's they're basically doing what Holden did with Joe Hockey
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: like ten years ago, where they're saying, this is the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: numbers just aren't stacking up, We're going to have to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: shut the factory. And Hockey was like, you know, sto
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: that lights up the cigar and they're like, go on, yeah, somehow.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I mean. But Volkswagen is a different thing over there
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: because it's partially owned by a lot of the state
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: of Saxony or something like that, and then and it's
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: just there's so much pride in their industry and auto
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: barns and you know, motorsport and all the culture that
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: they've got there. It's just a different thing.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting time, yeah, I mean, it's everything is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: changing at the moment, and it's I don't know what
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: all this is going to look like in five or
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: ten years. It'll be it'll be bloody fascinating.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I think, getting back to just really quickly your your
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: prediction of Chinese cars for say next year, I think
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: there is a bit of positivity about brands that are
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: coming in, like it will be very much sink or swim,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: like you said, But I think to give consumers a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: lot of choice. It's only going to get competitive in
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: terms of price. It's putting families in car. I don't
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: know if it's just me, but I feel like cars
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a new cars, would you say, more affordable now than
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: they ever were? Family cars or more expensive?
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: It's moved around. I think the sweet spot was a
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: little while ago. Like I remember in twenty eighteen twenty
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: nineteen doing reviews of stuff like a like a base
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: model Yaris or a VW Polo. There was a VW
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Polo I think it was called The Street or something
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: like that was sixteen grand drive away and at the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: time you could get a Yarras through about that as well.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: That was roughly where the market was for a light car. Today,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Yaris starts at about thirty four drive away because it's
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: hybrid only, and Polo's like close to forty.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It's Polo's close to forty.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: The tech has just had to ramp things up, so
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: part it's car companies wanted to do more profitable stuff.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: They've they've basically they've looked at the market in Australia
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: as compared to overseas. I talked to a car company
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: MD about this this week, and I don't really want
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: to say who it was because it was a bit
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of a background conversation, but he was basically saying that
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: companies like Toyota have looked at what's gone on overseas
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: where you can charge like thirty percent more for what
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: they're paying here, and then five years ago they would
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: have said, no, this is a mugs game. Why are
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: we doing this, Why are we in this race to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: the bottom. Let's let's let's piss off the base model
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: cars that not a lot of people are buying. Let's
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: go hybrid everything. We'll make more money per car and
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: sell fewer of them. Doesn't always work there, I mean
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Ford Australia tried that on around Focus and things like that,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: and it just, yeah, just fell over. I mean, Honda's
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: here still, but Ford of just you know, they've cut
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and cut and cutt and now that's just like they've
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: only got three cars.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Basically, it was it Perga or we're talking in a
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: couple of episodes Citron that just completely dropped like the
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: price of.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Their cargo for like twenty grand or something like that,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and you kind of think, fuck, how much how much
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: money are these guys making? Off per car at least
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: twenty grand at least I mean that is I mean
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that is such a I get why they've done it,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: but it's such a bad move because it really shows
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: your hand. No customer looks at that and goes, oh great,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I'm getting a good deal. I look at that and go,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: holy fuck, how much money have.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: You sp I mean they need to you look at
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Citra and they were selling one car per dealer every
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: ninety days. Yeah, if you weren't making like thirty grand
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: on a car, Pergo.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Like come across as quite a well made, put together,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: sort of quality car. But fuck they're expensive, you know
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Alpha's a little bit the same. It's
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: sort of like.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I have a Reno.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I don't mind the French car thing. Necessarily, I'm immune
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: to Pergo's charm for whatever reason. Maybe it's because the
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: steering wheel sits on my knees. Maybe it's because they
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: all have a one point six letter engine. Maybe it's
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: because they charged ninety grand for a you know, a
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: little less u of ething. It doesn't doesn't really work
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: for me, I mean objectively, and see what's going on.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: But subjectively, it's not mine.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So if you're listening to this, so
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: that's me eating corn chips. I've been as discreet as
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, if you're listening to this, still, thank you contact
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: at the Drivers Show dot com today you let us
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: know what you think about all this stuff. It's been
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: quite a quite a sort of interesting chat. Now you
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: mentioned before you've got a story going live about subscriptions.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Where can people see that and give us a bit
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: more sort of detail on that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so they can see it in a lot
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: of places. That's that's the thing about news courts, it's
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: really now well news dot com is kind of the focus.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: The way that we've been structured within the business is
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: that car stories shouldn't behind a paywall. They should be
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: out there for free and access everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: was that was a tough self for a while. They're
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: going to toy to Camera launch with forty other people
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and mine's behind the paywall and others aren't.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Just wait till you read what I have to say.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: It's very different.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Now so new news dot com that made my butt. Also, Yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: you can find us on all our mastheads, you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: daily Telegraph, Herold's Sun Career mail. Even things like the
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Too Woman Chronicle and the towns.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Were bought in my favorite newspaper.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you like the horoscopes in that one, it's pretty
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: good now, thank you, and the dating site on that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: But I find I think it's a really interesting idea,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: this idea of subscribing to different features in cars, like
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Mercedes will charge you nearly six hundred bucks a year
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to look at the weather, but also to transmit digital
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: keys to your friends and things like that, which I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: like that, which are Yeah, that is that is a
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: cool feature. You know BMW have got card games in
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: cars now I saw that. Yeah, And this is the
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff that I'm trying to do, just taking
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: taking a bit of a step back. I mean you're
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: asking before about what I do as a motoring journalist.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I don't do and cars one hundred percent. That's that's
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: that's the sort of stuff that we're that we're looking at,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not trying to tell you about, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: the tread shuffle or the Jounts tuning or something. And
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I have read those words and I still don't really
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: understand them. I've seen this before.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: How long have you been reading car Exit?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: But no, it's it's like it's a broad mass market thing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Like the other day I was I was editing a
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: video from one of our one of our great contributors,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: and he was talking about the battery chemistry insider inside
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: a really fast TV and I just want to ring
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: him up and just smack his head against the desk. No, no, no,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: you've lost them, You've lost us. Just tell us, tell
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: us you know, how's the car make you feel? What's
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: what's what's new about this? And that's and that's part
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: of part of my job is that I have to
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: go into meetings with people that edit like mass mass
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: media stuff right Daily Telegraph, News dot Com and things
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: like that, and try and convince them why a story
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: should be should be worth knocking things off. I mean,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: the other day we had a we had a really
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: great run with a video of the new Zeka electric
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: car and it was the third highest rated video on
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: the site against Raygun and behind the scenes behind the
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: scenes thing on the Olympic Village basically what they get
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: up to behind closed doors. It was was the pitch
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: something like that, and and to be that's that's that's
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the thing practice. That's the that's that's I mean, the
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: way that I'm approaching this job is to not necessarily
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: look at look at car expert Cartole's cast guide as
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: as rivals. I'm looking at the you know, the Olympics,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: the you know, the Bachelor, whatever's going on out there.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: That's that's that's what I'm going to know. Trying to
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: take down like the maps, right, that's a hard thing sometimes.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we need like a ray gun
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: in a dat Son.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very wow, what is.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: The raygun of cars? That's it? That's that is good.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I know, stop do those dances to me again? Yeah,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: that is a good question.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to think about that one, because
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: there is there is definitely something out there for that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: There's probably multiple things.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: If she was selling a car, should be just sort
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of in front of the car doing the bunny hop.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Those dance moves kind of looked like me paralletic at
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the Melbourne carp.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like Leo crawling up to the Lamborghini.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's me doing the Melbourne Cup poll a side shuffle,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: trying to find my own fucking betting ticket and also
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: make quell ludes. I don't even know how to pronounce it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: I've definitely done some raygun moves in my car, like
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like a you know previous Jen McGann rs.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: To turn on the cruise control, you have to turn
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: off the sports mode, which is down by your right knee,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: and then you have to activate cruise control, which is
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: down past your middle right where the seat belts are.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: And then to use the cruise control, you're looking at
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: a steering wheel that has buttons on it that make
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: no sense compared to any other cart. There's an art,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: there's an O what do those do?
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And it almost could be an app that you pay
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: for one of these cars, But it's like twister like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: left hand.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like that, Like I get into my
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: own car and I need Google lens to be able
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: to understand what's going on in front of me.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: We do have some questions from the people before you go.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: This is e Envy seventy nine. Here we go, quick opinion.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Don't want to sound like a wanker with this question.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: My wife has.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: It's a current range Rover Sport with thirty three thousand
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: k's and the brakes shudder. I don't know if I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: can say this stealership, I won't do that. That's below me.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Barrack rangerover definitely it was not. Then Barrack range Rover
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: says it's normal. I don't know anyone with a similar car.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I can't ask the forums because it will just open
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: up a can of whams. What's your opinion?
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Can I just say, whenever you get told it's normal
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: or characteristic by a dealer, take a car off their
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: showroom floor that is the same. It could be hard
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: with you if this is an older car and take
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it for a test drive. If that car doesn't shudder,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: because that's not normal, I would be. And you take
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: the salesman with you and you say, show me it's shuttering.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: That sounds like it's it needs machine roaders to me,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. What do you reckon?
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a good chance for a cove and stremming breakup. No, no, no,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: it does. It does sound like machine roaders and all
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. Maybe give it the Italian tune
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: up that helps it all?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: What else have we got here? Just for Dave? Are
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you ready for this? This is and I'm not kidding,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: this is a legit question, Dave, can you explain why
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: you have lowered yourself to the extent that you have
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: come on this show that is by Trevor fucking Life.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've always got to have a first time somewhere,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: don't you. Yeah, this is my first podcast appearance of anywhere,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: because really, yeah, I've done I've done stacks of radio.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I was doing radio stuff today, plenty of TV and
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: various other things. But no, none of my.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Only be uphill from here.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Actually I do have one quick question, one of my own,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: but let's like talk to the table about this one.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: The super outback. I waved it goodbye. I waved it goodbye.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I played some Katie Lang what a Wonderful World, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I waved it goodbye. And I was I was a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: little bit worried about this because we'll talk about price
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: in a second. I was a bit worried about this
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, fuck, he's going to find something wrong
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: with it, and he's going to come back into the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: house and it's going to be all over for me.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, he's sitting in my driveway for so.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Long, and I was shooting myself. I'm my please, I'm
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so fucking happy with this price. Please just go, just go,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: just go. I'm looking out the window. Fuck, he's still there.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: He's still there. And then I said to my wife, Fuck,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: he's coming back in. I knew it. I knew, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: knew it. Fuck, he's coming back in. He's sort of like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I'm opening the door high you left your Missy Higgins CD. No,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: but I did leave some stuff in the car. And
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: but okay, so here's the thing that car I bought
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: for well, at the time, it was brand new retail
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: for fifty six I did get a deal from Subaru.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So in all transparency, I got that for fifty grand, right,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: so on the.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Road, yep, okay.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So oh and I remember the dealer going, hey, bro,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: keep this for two years. You'll be able to sell
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: this for fifty two grand. They hold their value really well,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you'll be fine with this. And I was kind of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: like sold on that. I'm like, yeah, fuck it, yeah,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I'll do this. I'll do a responsible thing for my
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: family and buy a fucking family car. I won't worry
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: about the fact that this is all we'll drive and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: choose up the field, no worries. Less than twelve months
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: later that dealer offered me, how much do you reckon?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Forty eight oh, thirty nine thousand dollars? So close thirty
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars, And you said to me, He's like,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: why would you sell it privately? Just take one of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: these companies that will pick you up and it picks
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: it up in a truck and you don't have to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: worry about it. I got three inquiries on this car.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah within five days. Oh that's car sold
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: in five days. I've got three inquiries. The first guy
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: was keen asking price and all we didn't budge on
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the price. And then surely, like the day before, Hey mate,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: you're coming tomorrow, he bailed out. He found something else. Okay, fine,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: the worst Yeah, second guy came in, didn't haggle on price,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: bought it straight away. So that was good.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: And was it a dealer or just a private private buyer?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And the interesting thing was really nice guy. He just
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: went from owning an outback for like fifteen years, done
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty thousand kilometers, so he drove it
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and you just wanted something again. So that was four
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: forty nine thousand dollars.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty good.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised by Yeah, yeah, an honest dealer.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I mean normally, if a dealer asked me to hang
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: on to something for two minutes, I wouldn't trust him.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's the thing. Actually, I'm the worst with this
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: because I got my wife to sell it for me.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she just like she she's just like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: put on that kind of stoic Asian wife. No, no,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: we're not budgeting on price. And it was and that's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: how it went down. But there was one there was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: one third inquiry from a woman trying to pick up
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: my wife. What yes, what do you mean? Car sales
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: message was like, Hi, were you the the hot woman
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: getting out of the I think I saw this car yesterday?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Were you on such and such row? Were you the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: hot woman? An old woman? Oh blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Was it her?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: No, she's not hot.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: You are lucky she doesn't listen.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: To this nobody.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Dad, Dad, It's like, remember missed connections in MX magazine,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: way back in the magazine. You've gone from there to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the DMS. Sliding into the DMS in castles is a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: pretty special. Yes, I know a few people have been
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: screwed on castoles with most of the journalists.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah so so, yeah, I have to ask. I'm thinking, like,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: what is for eighty thousand dollars? That's what how much
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I want to spend on the family car? What do
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: you reckon? You your secondhand? I'd be care how much?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: How about eighty grand? She is a genesis?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I mean you might get an next demo Ironic five.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Then if you play your car like I wish.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Fun family car, Yeah, well, what are the pre requisites?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's got to have a little bit of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it's going to have a fun factor about it, a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: little bit of cred no dag, and ideally not have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: an average fuel consumption of thirteen liters per one hundred kilometers.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Don't get a Ranger wraptor Yeah, I mean how much
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: is your wrap to doing? By the way? Yeah really? Okay?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: What about what about it?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: What about the wild track? How much would be?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Six days? Okay, there's ten ish driving.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Golf ours are pretty good, dance all sorts of things,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: isn't it if you like if you like driving, you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: they do the family thing, they've playing all that sort
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, yeah, you find one of those that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: a that's a good gadget. And there's an updated model
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: coming very shortly, so that would put a bit of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: pressure on existing stock if there is any.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: And that's a fun commuter m Yeah, not bad but.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Also but not too much brain damage as well from
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: dealing with the driver aids and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: And should hold its value. If I put my dealer
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: hat on, Yeah, put your dealer hat on. You'll get
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: eighty for it easy in two years.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tirely.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Well, then you can do the thinking men's go far,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: just like the Cooper sort of stuff I found, like
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: a Volkswagen spokesperson. Yeah, some of those things basically because
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: no one really knows what they are. I can imagine
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: you could the demo deals on like a Leon VSX
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff should be pretty good.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I can get a press car for a cool
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: pro I should. I should contact them.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: They're well looked after some of these things.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Good luck. Yeah, I'm sure they'll. I'm sure they'll respond
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: to them to my emails.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: That would be so funny. Actually quite desperate to sell them,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: so maybe they will make it.
• 1:04:44
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