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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a
- 0:18Speaker 1: story about one of rock and roll's great libertines and
- 0:22Speaker 1: how that story has become diluted over the years. It's
- 0:26Speaker 1: a story about sex clubs and X-rated parties and other
- 0:29Speaker 1: places where fantasy becomes reality. And it's also about Queen,
- 0:35Speaker 1: how that band challenged accepted norms in the music industry
- 0:39Speaker 1: to become one of the best-selling bands of all time,
- 0:42Speaker 1: led by their magnetic singer, Freddie Mercury, a man who
- 0:45Speaker 1: made great music. Unlike that music that I played for
- 0:50Speaker 1: you at the top of the show. That wasn't great music.
- 0:53Speaker 1: That was a preset loop from my Mellotron called Magnifico
- 0:57Speaker 1: Figaro MK2. I played you that loop because I can't
- 1:03Speaker 1: afford the rights to Girls Like You by Maroon 5
- 1:06Speaker 1: featuring Cardi B. And why would I play you that
- 1:10Speaker 1: specific slice of excessively cheesy cheese, could I afford it?
- 1:16Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on
- 1:20Speaker 1: November 2nd, 2018. And that was the day that the
- 1:24Speaker 1: Queen biopic, Bohemian Rhapsody, was released. A movie which may
- 1:29Speaker 1: have given millions of people around the world a version
- 1:32Speaker 1: of Freddie Mercury that never even existed. On this episode,
- 1:38Speaker 1: sex clubs, debauchery, turning fantasy into reality. The real Freddie
- 1:43Speaker 1: Mercury in Queen. I'm Jake Brennan, and this is Disgraceland.
- 1:49Speaker 1: $ 911 million. That's how much Bohemian Rhapsody, the Queen biopic,
- 2:09Speaker 1: has grossed worldwide since its release in 2018. $ 911 million.
- 2:17Speaker 1: That is a lot of dough for a music biopic
- 2:20Speaker 1: to pull down. Enough to make it the highest grossing
- 2:23Speaker 1: music biopic of all time. At least it was the
- 2:28Speaker 1: highest grossing music biopic of all time until just a
- 2:30Speaker 1: few months ago, when the new Michael Jackson movie surpassed
- 2:33Speaker 1: a billion dollars and snatched that title away. Still, Bohemian
- 2:38Speaker 1: Rhapsody lives in rarefied air. The next highest-grossing music biopic
- 2:44Speaker 1: after Bohemian Rhapsody is Baz Luhrmann's 2022 film about Elvis Presley.
- 2:49Speaker 1: And that one doesn't even come close. Elvis, as that
- 2:52Speaker 1: film is called, made $ 288 million, not even a third
- 2:57Speaker 1: of what Bohemian Rhapsody cleared. And Bohemian Rhapsody was more
- 3:02Speaker 1: than just a box office smash. It won four Academy Awards,
- 3:06Speaker 1: including Best Actor for Rami Malek's portrayal of Freddie Mercury.
- 3:11Speaker 1: But all that said, does Bohemian Rhapsody accurately represent the
- 3:16Speaker 1: career of one of the best-selling rock bands of all time?
- 3:19Speaker 1: And does it give an accurate portrayal of the personal
- 3:22Speaker 1: life of its iconic frontman? Not exactly. First of all,
- 3:27Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody's narrative is framed by Queen's performance at Live
- 3:32Speaker 1: Aid in 1985. The film does not tell you that
- 3:35Speaker 1: only months before the show, Queen were seen as pariahs
- 3:38Speaker 1: in the music industry, having been fined by the British
- 3:41Speaker 1: Musicians Union for playing Sun City in apartheid South Africa. Instead,
- 3:47Speaker 1: The film makes Live Aid out to be this emotionally
- 3:50Speaker 1: redemptive moment in which Freddie Mercury returns to and reconciles
- 3:54Speaker 1: with his bandmates after having left to make a solo album.
- 3:58Speaker 1: But Freddie never quit the band. And his solo album
- 4:02Speaker 1: was not a point of contention with the rest of Queen.
- 4:05Speaker 1: In fact, Queen's drummer Roger Taylor had already released two
- 4:08Speaker 1: solo albums of his own by this point. Was Queen's
- 4:12Speaker 1: Live Aid performance absolutely riveting? Yes. Was it a kick
- 4:16Speaker 1: in the ass to their career? Yes, but any notion
- 4:19Speaker 1: of an emotional comeback is simply a dramatic plot device.
- 4:24Speaker 1: The film also wants us to think that Freddie Mercury
- 4:26Speaker 1: used the Live Aid moment to reveal to the rest
- 4:29Speaker 1: of the band that he was HIV positive. Again, Live
- 4:32Speaker 1: Aid was in 1985. According to Jim Hutton, Freddie's partner
- 4:36Speaker 1: near the end of his life, Freddie did not discover
- 4:39Speaker 1: he was sick until later in 1987. And even then,
- 4:43Speaker 1: it's unclear how much he actually revealed to his bandmates.
- 4:47Speaker 1: And then there's that great scene with Mike Myers as
- 4:50Speaker 1: the pompous EMI Records executive who doesn't want to release
- 4:53Speaker 1: the song Bohemian Rhapsody as a single on account of
- 4:56Speaker 1: it being nearly six minutes long. That EMI executive did
- 5:00Speaker 1: not exist. You know who did tell the band that
- 5:03Speaker 1: the song Bohemian Rhapsody would never get played on the
- 5:06Speaker 1: radio because it was too long? Elton John. All these
- 5:11Speaker 1: factual quibbles aside, the biggest dramatic license that the movie
- 5:15Speaker 1: takes is is with Freddie Mercury himself. Sacha Baron Cohen
- 5:20Speaker 1: was originally cast to play Freddie in the film, but
- 5:22Speaker 1: he left before production started because he wanted to tell
- 5:26Speaker 1: some of the stories that I'm about to tell you.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Stories that the film ultimately could not and would not tell.
- 5:35Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury was one of rock and roll's greatest libertines.
- 5:39Speaker 1: A man our guy Elton has said out-partied even him.
- 5:43Speaker 1: And if you know something about Elton John's hard partying
- 5:45Speaker 1: ways back in the day, then you know that that's
- 5:47Speaker 1: saying something. Bohemian Rhapsody, however, does not paint a portrayal
- 5:52Speaker 1: of Freddie Mercury as a great libertine. Instead, it turns
- 5:56Speaker 1: him into a tragic martyr who briefly lost his way.
- 6:01Speaker 1: So the question then becomes this. If Bohemian Rhapsody is
- 6:05Speaker 1: guilty of creating a false Freddie Mercury, then who was
- 6:08Speaker 1: the real Freddie Mercury? To answer that, you'd have to
- 6:12Speaker 1: ask the people who knew him best. Like Mary Austin,
- 6:15Speaker 1: his one-time girlfriend, a woman Freddie once called his common-law wife,
- 6:21Speaker 1: Peter Freestone, a.k.a. Phoebe, Freddie's longtime assistant, Jim Dutton, his
- 6:26Speaker 1: partner during his last years, Leslie Ann Jones, one of
- 6:29Speaker 1: his many biographers, and also his fellow bandmates, guitarist Brian May,
- 6:34Speaker 1: bassist John Deacon, and drummer Roger Taylor. The problem is,
- 6:40Speaker 1: all of these people will swear that they are telling
- 6:42Speaker 1: you the truth, yet none of them will tell you
- 6:44Speaker 1: the exact same story. Consider also the way in which
- 6:48Speaker 1: all of these narrators, just like you and me, perceive
- 6:50Speaker 1: things in their own way. One's personal experiences and unique
- 6:55Speaker 1: points of view can cloud true objectivity. It's also worth
- 6:59Speaker 1: noting that in the 1970s and 1980s, one's own truth
- 7:02Speaker 1: was often kept much closer to the vest, especially if
- 7:05Speaker 1: that truth ran counter to the quote-unquote norms. I'm talking
- 7:09Speaker 1: about gay musicians like Freddie Mercury, who rarely came out
- 7:13Speaker 1: back then, for fear of what such a revelation would
- 7:16Speaker 1: do to their career. But it was a strangely contradictory
- 7:20Speaker 1: time as well, because it was a time in which
- 7:22Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury could perform in a music video on MTV
- 7:25Speaker 1: while wearing a t-shirt featuring the logo of one of
- 7:28Speaker 1: the most notorious gay clubs in the world, and no
- 7:30Speaker 1: one was the wiser. Because it was a time when
- 7:34Speaker 1: people were, well, naïve. A time in which U2' s Bono
- 7:38Speaker 1: could be genuinely shocked when Freddie pushed him up against
- 7:41Speaker 1: a wall backstage at Live Aid and talked to him
- 7:43Speaker 1: like he was, quote, chatting up a chick. Those were
- 7:46Speaker 1: Bono's words, by the way. So when we take a
- 7:49Speaker 1: closer look at Freddie Mercury, you can't help but ask yourself,
- 7:53Speaker 1: is this real life or is this just fantasy? By
- 7:59Speaker 1: the early 1970s, rock and roll was a fantasy. Glamrock
- 8:04Speaker 1: gave its participants permission to create new characters and dress
- 8:08Speaker 1: them up in glitter, feather boas, and platform shoes. And
- 8:12Speaker 1: just as David Bowie briefly assumed the identity of Ziggy Stardust,
- 8:15Speaker 1: so too did Farouk Balsara assume the identity of Freddie Mercury.
- 8:20Speaker 1: Unlike the short-lived Ziggy, however, Freddie was forever. Joining Queen
- 8:26Speaker 1: allowed Freddie to leave behind the person he didn't want
- 8:29Speaker 1: to be. the shy, buck-toothed, closeted kid from a very
- 8:32Speaker 1: religious and strict Parsi family. But not everyone embraced the
- 8:37Speaker 1: newly liberated Freddie and his band. The critics savaged Queen's
- 8:41Speaker 1: brand of hard rock, which was anchored by the sound
- 8:44Speaker 1: of Freddie's robust and theatrical voice and Brian May's homemade
- 8:47Speaker 1: electric guitar, unusually picked with British sixpence coins. The New
- 8:52Speaker 1: Musical Express called their 1973 debut album a bucket of urine.
- 8:58Speaker 1: Another music mag, Record Mirror, said they were the dregs
- 9:02Speaker 1: of glam rock. And even when they landed their biggest
- 9:05Speaker 1: hit to date, Killer Queen, the tastemakers of the world
- 9:09Speaker 1: kept their knives sharpened. And as a result, Freddie Mercury
- 9:13Speaker 1: became more distrustful of the press. But there's another reason
- 9:18Speaker 1: why he carefully curated his public persona. He is on
- 9:21Speaker 1: the record, early on, admitting, as he did to Melody
- 9:24Speaker 1: Maker magazine, that, quote, The truth about Queen, however, in 1975,
- 9:36Speaker 1: was that they were broke, they were in debt, and
- 9:39Speaker 1: they needed a big hit in a bad way. And
- 9:42Speaker 1: they managed to do so with a song that was,
- 9:45Speaker 1: by design, anything but a hit. Bohemian Rhapsody was a
- 9:52Speaker 1: massive undertaking. Freddie Mercury's nearly six-minute song consists of five
- 9:56Speaker 1: distinct parts, including an operatic middle section. It required hundreds
- 10:01Speaker 1: of vocal and instrumental overdubs. It was funny, sad, moving,
- 10:05Speaker 1: and exhilarating. But executives from EMI Records in the UK
- 10:09Speaker 1: and Elektra Records in the US demanded that it be
- 10:12Speaker 1: edited for radio. So Freddie Mercury slipped a copy of
- 10:15Speaker 1: the song to London DJ Kenny Everett. who played it
- 10:19Speaker 1: something like 14 times over the course of a couple days.
- 10:22Speaker 1: The demand from listeners to get their hands on a
- 10:25Speaker 1: copy forced the record label's hand, and on Halloween of 1975,
- 10:30Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody was released as a single at its intended length,
- 10:35Speaker 1: five minutes and 55 seconds. One month later, it hit
- 10:39Speaker 1: number one on the UK chart. Bohemian Rhapsody elevated Queen
- 10:44Speaker 1: both critically and commercially. from the so-called dregs of glam
- 10:48Speaker 1: rock to worldwide superstars who are headlining their own tour
- 10:52Speaker 1: of America. Much has been written about the meaning of
- 10:55Speaker 1: the song and of the murder that the narrator confesses to.
- 10:58Speaker 1: Mama just killed a man, put a gun against his head,
- 11:02Speaker 1: pulled my trigger, now he's dead. That's what Freddie sings
- 11:05Speaker 1: in the song's beautiful ballad section, and it's been suggested
- 11:08Speaker 1: by some that Freddie is singing about himself, that this
- 11:11Speaker 1: is the coming out song that the man who has
- 11:13Speaker 1: been killed metaphorically speaking anyways, is Farouk Bulsara, Freddie's earlier identity.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Whether you buy into that reading of the song or not,
- 11:23Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody did give Freddie Mercury access to the kinds
- 11:27Speaker 1: of things that Farouk Bulsara could never have. The success
- 11:32Speaker 1: of Bohemian Rhapsody and Queen's fourth album, A Night at
- 11:35Speaker 1: the Opera, turned the band into theater headliners. And that
- 11:39Speaker 1: was the song that put Freddie on a plane to
- 11:41Speaker 1: New York City, far away from the prying eyes of
- 11:45Speaker 1: the UK press, where his fantasies were waiting for him.
- 11:52Speaker 1: The black limousine cut down 11th Avenue like a cloaked
- 11:55Speaker 1: stranger moving through an alleyway at night. From the Beacon Theatre,
- 11:59Speaker 1: it went south, past Lincoln Square, past Hell's Kitchen, into Chelsea,
- 12:04Speaker 1: and then to the Meatpacking District, until it finally came
- 12:07Speaker 1: to a stop outside a run-down building on Washington Street.
- 12:11Speaker 1: The driver put it in park and the engine idled
- 12:13Speaker 1: in the cold. Sitting in the back seat, Freddie Mercury
- 12:16Speaker 1: looked out through tinted windows at the red door that
- 12:19Speaker 1: sat conspicuously on the building's black facade. The only indication
- 12:23Speaker 1: of what was behind the red door was written in
- 12:25Speaker 1: white to the right. Private Club, it said, with a
- 12:29Speaker 1: white arrow that extended from the words to the door,
- 12:32Speaker 1: and with the building's number, 835, stamped directly below the arrow.
- 12:37Speaker 1: Despite the lack of signage, Freddie Mercury knew exactly what
- 12:41Speaker 1: was behind that red door, just like the hundreds of
- 12:43Speaker 1: other men who were regulars here. First, there were the
- 12:47Speaker 1: stairs that led to the second floor. Then, the posted
- 12:51Speaker 1: dress code that prohibited suits, ties, dress pants, and cologne,
- 12:55Speaker 1: but allowed for leather, Levi's, and sweat. And then the
- 12:59Speaker 1: club itself, the mineshaft as it was known, a nightclub
- 13:03Speaker 1: where you didn't dance, you fucked. Freddie stepped out of
- 13:08Speaker 1: that limo and went in through the red door, and
- 13:10Speaker 1: the smell of it hit him as it always did.
- 13:12Speaker 1: It was the smell of skin on skin, of hot,
- 13:16Speaker 1: anonymous breath laced with cheap beer and cigarettes. The smell
- 13:21Speaker 1: of fantasy. No one knew he was here. Not Brian May,
- 13:26Speaker 1: or John Deacon, or Roger Taylor. And not Mary Austin,
- 13:30Speaker 1: Freddie's former girlfriend. Because here in New York, Under the
- 13:35Speaker 1: cover of night and in the gay club underground, Freddie
- 13:38Speaker 1: Mercury had no need to pretend that she was still
- 13:41Speaker 1: his girlfriend and that he was just one of the boys.
- 13:44Speaker 1: Here in New York, he was one of the men.
- 13:47Speaker 1: One of the men who stumbled out of the mine
- 13:49Speaker 1: shaft the next morning as the sun struggled to rise.
- 13:53Speaker 1: One of the men who weaved their way between bloody
- 13:55Speaker 1: animal carcasses hanging on hooks out in the street. Men
- 13:59Speaker 1: whose deepest, darkest fantasies... were quickly becoming a reality one
- 14:04Speaker 1: night at a time. Freddie Mercury wasn't the only one
- 14:34Speaker 1: indulging in fantasies out on the road as Queen grew
- 14:37Speaker 1: more and more famous. Roger Taylor, the band's drummer, who
- 14:40Speaker 1: wrote The B-Side to Bohemian Rhapsody, the self-explanatory I'm In
- 14:44Speaker 1: Love With My Car, was dabbling in his own heterosexual
- 14:48Speaker 1: version of Freddie's carnal odyssey. One day, partying with the
- 14:51Speaker 1: guys in Thin Lizzy, and the next, finding himself at
- 14:54Speaker 1: the center of an alleged sex tape that may or
- 14:56Speaker 1: may not have been stolen and held for a king's ransom,
- 14:59Speaker 1: but that's another story entirely. Bohemian Rhapsody, the song, the
- 15:04Speaker 1: very thing that allowed for Queen's pursuit of fantasy, the
- 15:07Speaker 1: thing that preceded Freddie's hiring of personal assistants and bodyguards
- 15:11Speaker 1: to help guide him through New York's leather underground, it
- 15:14Speaker 1: eventually earned the distinction in the UK as the third
- 15:17Speaker 1: best-selling song of all time. But back in 1977, the
- 15:22Speaker 1: song's staying power and Queen's ability to endure were constantly
- 15:27Speaker 1: being called into question. They continued to get shit on
- 15:31Speaker 1: by the British press. Writing in the NME about Queen's
- 15:34Speaker 1: fifth album, 1976's A Day at the Races, journalist Nick
- 15:38Speaker 1: Kent simply said, I hate this album. But there was
- 15:45Speaker 1: a threat to Queen greater than the pen of Nick Kent.
- 15:49Speaker 1: It was a new sound that hacked away at Bohemian
- 15:51Speaker 1: Rhapsody's overindulgence and bloat. The same sound now lobbing a
- 15:56Speaker 1: gob of spit in the face of Freddie Mercury's fantasies.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Punk rock was poised to render Queen irrelevant. You could
- 16:05Speaker 1: not avoid it. Lord knows, Freddie tried. Johnny Rotten's nasal
- 16:10Speaker 1: whine was echoing down the halls. Just as Johnny's band,
- 16:14Speaker 1: the Sex Pistols were echoing throughout London and beyond. More
- 16:19Speaker 1: a rumbling than an echo. A gathering storm was coming
- 16:23Speaker 1: for them. Coming for Freddie's intricate compositions. His songs with
- 16:27Speaker 1: five distinct sections and hundreds of overdubs. Johnny Rotten looked
- 16:31Speaker 1: at Freddie Mercury and saw something that was broken, decayed.
- 16:34Speaker 1: Something that needed to be tossed in the fire. Here,
- 16:40Speaker 1: at Wessex Studios in North London, Freddie and Queen were
- 16:43Speaker 1: working on their sixth studio album, News of the World,
- 16:46Speaker 1: while Johnny and the Pistols were simultaneously recording their debut
- 16:50Speaker 1: in another room. Punk was the giant killer, or so
- 16:54Speaker 1: went the thinking. And Queen, going on their seventh year
- 16:57Speaker 1: as a band, was the Goliath in need of toppling.
- 17:01Speaker 1: The press glommed on to the whole ordeal. The headline
- 17:04Speaker 1: of an interview with Freddie Mercury read, Is this man
- 17:06Speaker 1: a prat? And those reading had to stop and wonder.
- 17:10Speaker 1: The bodysuits, the one-pieces, the riot of chest hair that
- 17:14Speaker 1: exploded just above the cucumber-sized bulge in his trousers. Queen
- 17:18Speaker 1: was slick. Queen was contrived. Queen was utter fantasy. And
- 17:23Speaker 1: as Johnny Rotten liked to point out, there was nothing
- 17:26Speaker 1: real about that. But that's where they were wrong. The
- 17:30Speaker 1: punk ethos may have sought to vanquish their kind, but
- 17:34Speaker 1: Queen used it to their own advantage. Not only to survive,
- 17:38Speaker 1: but to thrive. We Will Rock You, recorded at Wessex
- 17:42Speaker 1: while the Pistols were busy making Nevermind the Bollocks, stripped
- 17:45Speaker 1: Queen's typically ornate sheen down to the bone. Its naked production,
- 17:49Speaker 1: just stomping and clapping, And Brian May's guitar solo accompanying
- 17:54Speaker 1: acapella voices was as shocking as it was rousing. Equally
- 17:59Speaker 1: so was another song, We Are the Champions, which threw
- 18:03Speaker 1: the Sex Pistols challenge back right into their faces. We
- 18:06Speaker 1: Are the Champions is a song that says, you come
- 18:08Speaker 1: for Queen and you better not miss. Both songs forged
- 18:13Speaker 1: an even stronger connection with Queen's growing audience, in part
- 18:17Speaker 1: because they were inspired by the communal chants of football fans.
- 18:21Speaker 1: A similar strategy that Noel Gallagher would later employ to
- 18:24Speaker 1: great effect when writing some of Oasis's biggest hits. When
- 18:28Speaker 1: We Will Rocky became the band's biggest hit in the U.S.
- 18:30Speaker 1: to date, it further validated the power of Queen in
- 18:34Speaker 1: the eye of the punk storm. But the music wasn't
- 18:37Speaker 1: the only thing the punk stripped down. Freddie was streamlining
- 18:41Speaker 1: his own physical appearance. Those flamboyant bodysuits were soon a
- 18:45Speaker 1: thing of the past. In their place, Freddie began dressing
- 18:48Speaker 1: more like the man in New York's gay club scene
- 18:51Speaker 1: the gay clone or Castro clone look as it was called.
- 18:55Speaker 1: Tight sleeveless shirts, tight denim, studded leather belt, mustache. Freddie
- 19:01Speaker 1: may have adopted the look of a working class everyman,
- 19:04Speaker 1: but he was still the consummate rocker. He remained rock
- 19:08Speaker 1: and roll's reigning libertine. He was dropping 4,000 pounds a
- 19:12Speaker 1: week on cocaine. He was whisking his band away to
- 19:15Speaker 1: faraway places, to Switzerland, In France, where they recorded their
- 19:19Speaker 1: next album, Jazz, like the Rolling Stones before them, Queen
- 19:24Speaker 1: were exiles, dodging the tax man in the name of art.
- 19:28Speaker 1: There they took in the Tour de France. There Freddie
- 19:31Speaker 1: took a cyclist to bed. The one-night stand inspired him
- 19:34Speaker 1: to write Bicycle Race, which, along with Fat Bottom Girls,
- 19:39Speaker 1: are the two songs referenced in the three-panel fold-out image
- 19:43Speaker 1: of naked women riding bikes that came packaged with Jazz's
- 19:46Speaker 1: first pressings that I have framed and hanging on my wall,
- 19:49Speaker 1: by the way, but that's another story as well. That
- 19:53Speaker 1: image alone may have added to the smokescreen of Freddie's sexuality,
- 19:57Speaker 1: but it merely hinted at the outright hedonism that was
- 20:00Speaker 1: now part and parcel of Queen's modus operandi. When it
- 20:04Speaker 1: came to the truth, hinting was all the Bohemian Rhapsody
- 20:08Speaker 1: biopic could do. Because the truth went far beyond fantasy.
- 20:14Speaker 1: The truth became unfilmable. No studio on earth would have
- 20:18Speaker 1: greenlit that movie if they had to tell the story
- 20:21Speaker 1: of what really went down with Queen in the 1970s.
- 20:27Speaker 1: On Halloween 1978, Freddie Mercury, Brian May, John Deacon, Roger Taylor,
- 20:34Speaker 1: their crew and entourage, along with many celebrities and journalists,
- 20:38Speaker 1: descended upon the Imperial Ballroom at the Fairmont Hotel in
- 20:41Speaker 1: New Orleans. The occasion was the celebration of the impending
- 20:45Speaker 1: release of Queen's new album, Jazz. According to a number
- 20:49Speaker 1: of articles written about this night in the pages of
- 20:51Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, Interview Magazine, Playboy, and Uncut, as you approached
- 20:56Speaker 1: the door to the Imperial Ballroom, you were met by
- 20:59Speaker 1: a greeter who offered to procure you oral sex from
- 21:02Speaker 1: a man or woman of your choice. Inside the ballroom,
- 21:06Speaker 1: Your senses were overwhelmed. Naked women were spread out on
- 21:12Speaker 1: banquet tables, somehow smoking cigarettes from their vaginas. More naked
- 21:18Speaker 1: women writhed around in a bathtub of raw liver. Fire
- 21:22Speaker 1: eaters swallowed balls of flame while circus geeks bit the
- 21:26Speaker 1: heads off of chickens. Minstrels in fucking blackface. Strippers dressed
- 21:32Speaker 1: as nuns dancing in bamboo cages. Little people walking around
- 21:36Speaker 1: with trays of cocaine strapped to their heads. Lobster, oysters, caviar, cristal.
- 21:42Speaker 1: All in, the party cost upwards of 200,000 pounds, equivalent
- 21:47Speaker 1: to well over a million American dollars today. But as
- 21:52Speaker 1: wild as this would all seem to you or me
- 21:54Speaker 1: were we to stroll into the Fairmont Hotel's Imperial Ballroom
- 21:58Speaker 1: in 1978, to Freddie Mercury and Queen, it was just
- 22:03Speaker 1: another party. The bar was set here, high above and
- 22:08Speaker 1: beyond anything anyone could imagine. Above and beyond what you've
- 22:12Speaker 1: been led to believe about Freddie Mercury and Queen throughout
- 22:16Speaker 1: the annals of music history and in some music biopic.
- 22:22Speaker 1: Roughly one year later, Freddie Mercury paid to fly more
- 22:25Speaker 1: than 100 of his friends from the UK to New
- 22:27Speaker 1: York in order to celebrate his 33rd birthday. Freddie's appetite
- 22:31Speaker 1: for drugs and sex at this time had become difficult
- 22:34Speaker 1: to satiate. Men he'd met at the Mineshaft and other
- 22:38Speaker 1: New York clubs joined in on the action, and again,
- 22:40Speaker 1: according to some who were there, a five-long-day orgy ensued. Now,
- 22:45Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into any more salacious details here.
- 22:47Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about how the sideshow carnival
- 22:49Speaker 1: nature of the New Orleans party continued unabated or about
- 22:53Speaker 1: how certain men and women performed certain sexual acts that
- 22:56Speaker 1: you might say were impossible or downright deadly, because I'm
- 22:59Speaker 1: not looking to sensationalize what went on, but I'm also
- 23:02Speaker 1: not looking to sanitize what went on like the biopic does.
- 23:06Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not looking to shame anyone either, least
- 23:09Speaker 1: of all Freddie Mercury. But what was happening seemingly every
- 23:13Speaker 1: night on the regular in Queen's orbit was truly insane.
- 23:18Speaker 1: And to understand what happened next, to Freddie, to Queen,
- 23:22Speaker 1: to the gay community in New York and in the
- 23:24Speaker 1: world at large, you have to understand where Freddie Mercury
- 23:27Speaker 1: was coming from at this very moment. Here's a quote
- 23:30Speaker 1: from Freddie, and it's one that wasn't in the movie either.
- 23:34Speaker 1: New York is Sin City, he said. And here I am,
- 23:38Speaker 1: free to slut myself to the hilt. We'll be right
- 23:47Speaker 1: back after this word, word, word. As the 1970s gave
- 23:55Speaker 1: way to the 1980s, New York's gay clubs continued to thrive.
- 24:00Speaker 1: I said clubs, plural, because the mineshaft wasn't the only
- 24:03Speaker 1: spot where men like Freddie Mercury went to turn their
- 24:05Speaker 1: fantasies into reality. There was Uncle Charlie's on Greenwich Avenue,
- 24:10Speaker 1: the Eagle or Eagle's Nest on the West Side Highway,
- 24:13Speaker 1: The Spike on 11th Avenue, The Anvil on West 14th,
- 24:17Speaker 1: and The Saint in the East Village, to name just
- 24:19Speaker 1: a few. But the stigma surrounding homosexuality at this time
- 24:24Speaker 1: was attracting unwanted attention and unwanted guests as well. In 1977,
- 24:32Speaker 1: a man named Paul Bateson was arrested and later sentenced
- 24:36Speaker 1: for the murder of Addison Verrill, a reporter for Variety magazine.
- 24:41Speaker 1: Bateson had met Verrill at Badlands, a gay bar on
- 24:45Speaker 1: Christopher Street, where they partied for a while before heading
- 24:48Speaker 1: over to the mine shaft. Around sunup, Verrill took Bateson
- 24:52Speaker 1: back to his 17th floor apartment in Manhattan, where, after
- 24:56Speaker 1: the two had sex, Bateson beat Verrill's head in with
- 24:59Speaker 1: a metal skillet and then stabbed him to death with
- 25:01Speaker 1: a kitchen knife. This happened around the same time that
- 25:05Speaker 1: the so-called bag murders were stumping the NYPD. Black plastic
- 25:09Speaker 1: bags containing mutilated and dismembered body parts had been washing
- 25:13Speaker 1: up on the shores of the Hudson River for years.
- 25:16Speaker 1: It remains unclear to this day who these body parts
- 25:19Speaker 1: belonged to. But clothing found in the bags was a
- 25:22Speaker 1: match for clothing that had been sold at a local
- 25:24Speaker 1: shop popular with gay men. The bag murders and the
- 25:29Speaker 1: murder of Addison Verrill directly inspired director William Friedkin to
- 25:33Speaker 1: make the 1980 crime thriller Cruising. In the film... Al
- 25:38Speaker 1: Pacino plays a New York cop who goes undercover in
- 25:41Speaker 1: the city's leather and S & M clubs in order
- 25:43Speaker 1: to catch a serial killer who is targeting gay men.
- 25:46Speaker 1: But when it was released in theaters, Cruzan was not
- 25:49Speaker 1: lovingly received by the gay community. In fact, it was
- 25:53Speaker 1: thoroughly denounced as trashy and exploitative. There was real concern
- 25:58Speaker 1: that the film painted a picture of gay men in
- 26:00Speaker 1: gay clubs as ultra-violent and immoral, thus adding to the
- 26:04Speaker 1: destructive stigma. And while Paul Bateson was only one man,
- 26:09Speaker 1: while there weren't serial killers stalking gay clubs, it was
- 26:12Speaker 1: nonetheless impossible at the time to see the real killer
- 26:16Speaker 1: that would soon infiltrate places like Freddie Mercury's beloved mineshaft.
- 26:24Speaker 1: The month that Cruising was released, February 1980, Freddie Mercury
- 26:28Speaker 1: was not in New York. He was in Munich, Germany,
- 26:31Speaker 1: with Queen, finishing recording what would become their next studio album,
- 26:35Speaker 1: The Game. Freddie wasn't in Munich just because of the
- 26:38Speaker 1: recording studio, Giorgio Moroder's Musicland, who was state-of-the-art and was
- 26:42Speaker 1: located in Munich, and he wasn't there simply for the
- 26:45Speaker 1: old-world charm. Let's be honest. He was there for the debauchery,
- 26:50Speaker 1: to party every night at places like old Mrs. Henderson's, Frisco,
- 26:54Speaker 1: and the Deutsche Eich. These clubs were every bit as
- 26:57Speaker 1: hedonistic as the ones back in New York, and they
- 27:00Speaker 1: were under less scrutiny at the time, too. No one
- 27:03Speaker 1: was making a polarizing movie about a serial killer targeting
- 27:06Speaker 1: German bathhouses. It's not hard to imagine that being inside
- 27:11Speaker 1: these spaces, absorbing a soundtrack of cutting-edge Eurodisco and electronic music,
- 27:16Speaker 1: had an effect on the music the Queen was making
- 27:18Speaker 1: at the time. Sure, John Deacon's bass line for Another
- 27:22Speaker 1: One Bites the Dust, one of the singles released from
- 27:25Speaker 1: the game, was inspired by Chic, an American band. But
- 27:28Speaker 1: the sleek, aerodynamic sound of the song is more Autobahn
- 27:32Speaker 1: than Route 66. And just like Bohemian Rhapsody before it,
- 27:37Speaker 1: there was some heartburn around releasing the song as a single.
- 27:40Speaker 1: This time, the problem wasn't the song's length. The problem
- 27:44Speaker 1: was how it sounded. Roger Taylor, for one, didn't get it.
- 27:49Speaker 1: He didn't even like it. You know who did like it, though?
- 27:52Speaker 1: Queen superfan Michael Jackson. and Michael Jackson convinced Freddie Mercury
- 27:57Speaker 1: to release Another One Bites the Dust as a single.
- 28:01Speaker 1: And because Freddie chose to listen to the king of
- 28:03Speaker 1: pop over his own bandmate, Another One Bites the Dust
- 28:06Speaker 1: became the band's best-selling song of all time. But hold up.
- 28:12Speaker 1: This isn't the Bohemian Rhapsody biopic, and I don't want
- 28:16Speaker 1: to give the impression that Freddie Mercury was simply basking
- 28:18Speaker 1: in the moment, writing and recording mega-hits by day and
- 28:21Speaker 1: unwinding at the club by night. Just like you and
- 28:24Speaker 1: just like me, Freddy was complicated. There were highs, there
- 28:28Speaker 1: were lows, there was a darkness. There was that time
- 28:31Speaker 1: where Freddy became frustrated with one of Queen's roadies. And
- 28:34Speaker 1: he grabbed a nearby mirror and smashed it over the
- 28:37Speaker 1: roadie's head. And then ordered the roadie to find a
- 28:41Speaker 1: broom and clean up the mess. And speaking of mess,
- 28:44Speaker 1: there were the relationships. Freddie was in a romantic relationship
- 28:49Speaker 1: with a number of men, though he continued to have
- 28:51Speaker 1: sexual encounters with other men while in those relationships. And
- 28:55Speaker 1: he can be hypocritical too, like when he flew one
- 28:57Speaker 1: lover from the UK to the US under false pretenses,
- 29:01Speaker 1: only to dump him immediately upon his arrival because he
- 29:04Speaker 1: had cheated on Freddie. I say all these things not
- 29:07Speaker 1: to give Freddie Mercury a hard time, or to shield
- 29:10Speaker 1: my own hypocrisies, because come on, I'm only human and
- 29:12Speaker 1: so are you. We're all hypocrites. I'm just saying all
- 29:15Speaker 1: this to underscore that the Freddie Mercury presented to us
- 29:18Speaker 1: in the Bohemian Rhapsody biopic is a sanitized version of
- 29:21Speaker 1: the real thing. It is an uncomplicated version of the
- 29:24Speaker 1: real thing. It is a fantasy. What was very real, though,
- 29:30Speaker 1: was the looming AIDS crisis, which became front page news
- 29:35Speaker 1: in the New York Times in May of 1983, along
- 29:37Speaker 1: with the headline came the public misconception that AIDS was
- 29:43Speaker 1: exclusively a gay disease which of course it was not
- 29:47Speaker 1: it was hard enough just to be gay at the
- 29:49Speaker 1: time having that sexual preference now be associated with a
- 29:52Speaker 1: deadly disease suddenly made an ugly stigma even uglier Freddie
- 29:57Speaker 1: refused to get tested at least until years later in 1987,
- 30:02Speaker 1: according to his longtime partner, Jim Hutton. Why? Was it
- 30:06Speaker 1: because he feared he would test positive? Did he willingly
- 30:09Speaker 1: choose to ignore reality for as long as he could?
- 30:13Speaker 1: Or was he worried that going through the process would
- 30:15Speaker 1: out him? And what consequence, if any, did not getting
- 30:19Speaker 1: tested for AIDS have for all those sexual partners Freddie
- 30:23Speaker 1: Mercury had throughout those years? We don't know, but here's
- 30:28Speaker 1: what we do know. Queen played in America for the
- 30:31Speaker 1: last time in September 1982, when they taped a performance
- 30:34Speaker 1: for Saturday Night Live. This was when they were riding
- 30:38Speaker 1: high on the success of Under Pressure, their collaboration with
- 30:41Speaker 1: David Bowie. This is absolutely crazy to me because they
- 30:45Speaker 1: continued to tour the rest of the world for the
- 30:47Speaker 1: next four years, until 1986. But once AIDS became headline news,
- 30:53Speaker 1: American insurers lobbied hard to require tests for all touring musicians.
- 30:59Speaker 1: And this resulted in a fight between corporations and activists
- 31:02Speaker 1: over patients' rights. And as that fight raged on, Freddie
- 31:06Speaker 1: Mercury allegedly became concerned about what would happen should an
- 31:09Speaker 1: insurer succeed in making him take the test worthy to
- 31:13Speaker 1: attempt a tour of the United States. Besides, at this point,
- 31:18Speaker 1: people were already talking. A disgruntled former manager had gone
- 31:21Speaker 1: to a UK tabloid and sold them details about Freddie's
- 31:24Speaker 1: sexuality and his relationship with Jim Hutton. Another tabloid printed
- 31:28Speaker 1: a false story claiming that Freddie had tested negative for
- 31:31Speaker 1: the AIDS virus. Queen star Freddie in AIDS shock was
- 31:35Speaker 1: how the headline read. When he was later cornered by
- 31:38Speaker 1: a reporter at Heathrow, Freddie shot back. Do I look
- 31:41Speaker 1: like I'm dying from AIDS? And then that became a
- 31:44Speaker 1: headline too. The reality of being Freddie Mercury at this
- 31:47Speaker 1: time was nothing short of oppressive. So it's no wonder
- 31:52Speaker 1: that he turned once again to fantasy as a means
- 31:55Speaker 1: of much needed escape. They warned her that it was
- 32:00Speaker 1: nothing more than a room full of sweaty, hairy men.
- 32:04Speaker 1: They said the place wasn't for her, or for any
- 32:06Speaker 1: woman for that matter. But she didn't care. Her mind
- 32:10Speaker 1: was made up. Princess Diana wanted to go to the
- 32:13Speaker 1: Royal Vauxhall Tavern, a notorious gay bar in London. But
- 32:18Speaker 1: how to sneak actual royalty, currently the Princess of Wales,
- 32:23Speaker 1: one of the biggest celebrities in the world, into a
- 32:26Speaker 1: packed bar? How could they avoid causing a scene of
- 32:30Speaker 1: outright pandemonium? Freddie Mercury and Kenny Everett, the former DJ
- 32:35Speaker 1: who propelled Queen into the stratosphere when he played Bohemian
- 32:38Speaker 1: Rhapsody on the radio all those years ago, had an idea.
- 32:43Speaker 1: They'd dress their friend Diana in drag. They'd dress her
- 32:46Speaker 1: like a man, just as Freddie had dressed as a
- 32:48Speaker 1: woman in the music video for Queen's I Wanna Break Free.
- 32:52Speaker 1: And Diana wanted to break free. But freedom for Diana
- 32:56Speaker 1: meant hiding her true self. There were the aviator's sunglasses,
- 33:00Speaker 1: a cap made of leather, an old army jacket, very butch,
- 33:04Speaker 1: very clone. The Royal Vauxhall Tavern was packed to the hilt. Freddy, Kenny,
- 33:10Speaker 1: and Diana bellied up to the bar and ordered a round.
- 33:13Speaker 1: All eyes are on Freddy, as usual. Royalty on stage
- 33:17Speaker 1: and on the air in places like this. Few paid
- 33:20Speaker 1: any mind to his feminine-looking companion with the leather cap
- 33:23Speaker 1: and high cheekbones. Twenty minutes later, They were gone. Diana
- 33:30Speaker 1: back to Kensington Palace and Freddy back to Garden Lodge,
- 33:33Speaker 1: the two-story, eight-bedroom house he'd purchased years earlier. He would
- 33:38Speaker 1: live there until 1991, until his death at the age
- 33:41Speaker 1: of 45, upon which his friend Diana would think back
- 33:46Speaker 1: to the night they had smuggled her into the Royal
- 33:48Speaker 1: Locks Hall. It was like they had gotten away with
- 33:50Speaker 1: something unbelievable, like they'd pulled the wool over everyone's eyes
- 33:54Speaker 1: as easily as she had pulled the leather cap over
- 33:56Speaker 1: her short blonde hair. It was a secret they both shared,
- 34:00Speaker 1: a secret that Diana would then keep for another six years,
- 34:04Speaker 1: until the Mercedes she was riding in raced into one
- 34:07Speaker 1: end of a dark tunnel in Paris and never came
- 34:10Speaker 1: out the other side. The Princess Diana story that I
- 34:32Speaker 1: just told you comes from a book called The Power
- 34:34Speaker 1: of Positive Drinking, which was written by British actress Cleo
- 34:37Speaker 1: Rockos in 2013. Rocco says she was there that night
- 34:42Speaker 1: with Diana, Freddie Mercury, and Kenny Everett drinking champagne while
- 34:45Speaker 1: watching The Golden Girls on TV when they came up
- 34:48Speaker 1: with the crazy idea to sneak Diana into the Royal
- 34:51Speaker 1: Vauxhall Tavern. There are many people who will tell you
- 34:55Speaker 1: that this never happened, just as there are many people
- 34:57Speaker 1: who will tell you that other things written about Freddie
- 34:59Speaker 1: Mercury in other books never happened. Take the author Leslie
- 35:03Speaker 1: Ann Jones, for example. Leslie Ann Jones has written numerous
- 35:06Speaker 1: biographies on Freddie Mercury, some that are even noted as
- 35:10Speaker 1: editor's picks on Amazon. But Google Leslie Ann Jones and
- 35:14Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury and click on the first Reddit thread that
- 35:16Speaker 1: comes up. Queen fans are merciless when it comes to
- 35:20Speaker 1: discrediting Leslie Ann Jones. Most recently, fans online went after
- 35:25Speaker 1: Jones for her 2025 book, Love, Freddie, in which she
- 35:29Speaker 1: made the claim that Freddie had secretly fathered a child
- 35:32Speaker 1: with the wife of a close friend way back in 1976.
- 35:36Speaker 1: You can also find an equal number of Queen fans
- 35:38Speaker 1: online who dismiss the book written by Freddie's partner, Jim Hutton,
- 35:42Speaker 1: as complete fiction. And when it comes to the Bohemian
- 35:45Speaker 1: Rhapsody biopic, some corners of the internet complain that the
- 35:48Speaker 1: film paints Freddie as bisexual in order to conveniently make
- 35:51Speaker 1: his gayness more palatable for, I don't know, jocks, I guess,
- 35:56Speaker 1: who like to crank up We Will Rock You in
- 35:58Speaker 1: the locker room. While others argue that the film actually
- 36:01Speaker 1: does see him as gay, and by doing so, downplays
- 36:03Speaker 1: bisexuality in general. And even some Queen fans are listening
- 36:07Speaker 1: to this episode right now and they're pissed off about
- 36:09Speaker 1: whatever it is that I've said about Freddie Mercury. So
- 36:12Speaker 1: which is it? If not the Rami Malek version or
- 36:15Speaker 1: the Leslie Ann Jones version or the Cleo Rakos version,
- 36:19Speaker 1: who was the real Freddie Mercury? I think asking this
- 36:23Speaker 1: question is the whole point, actually. Let me explain. I
- 36:28Speaker 1: think we are incapable of knowing the real Freddie Mercury.
- 36:32Speaker 1: And that fact has been staring us in the face
- 36:35Speaker 1: ever since the release of Queen's second album. 1974. Freddie
- 36:42Speaker 1: Mercury is just four years old. He's just killed a man.
- 36:45Speaker 1: Not literally. Freddie Mercury is actually 24, but the idea
- 36:49Speaker 1: of Freddie Mercury is still much younger. And while there
- 36:53Speaker 1: was a time when he was someone else, that person,
- 36:55Speaker 1: Farouk Basara, the idea of Farouk Basara is dead. Freddie
- 37:01Speaker 1: will not speak of Farouk again. Certainly not to the
- 37:05Speaker 1: journalists for Melody Maker magazine sitting across the room from
- 37:08Speaker 1: him now. His satin pants and satin shirt, his red
- 37:12Speaker 1: velvet Dickensian jacket, his white boots. These are things befitting
- 37:17Speaker 1: the character of Freddie Mercury, who in theory is only
- 37:20Speaker 1: four years old and who in practice is being defined
- 37:23Speaker 1: in real time. But Freddie the man is not the
- 37:27Speaker 1: only one defining Freddie the character. Freddie Mercury is a
- 37:31Speaker 1: product of every set of ears that listen to him,
- 37:34Speaker 1: and every pair of eyes that take in his grandeur.
- 37:37Speaker 1: They see a man of affluence, so they assume he
- 37:39Speaker 1: comes from affluence, even though he actually comes from a
- 37:42Speaker 1: middle-class family. They see a man who indulges in everything,
- 37:46Speaker 1: from fashion to sex, but cannot see that he doesn't
- 37:48Speaker 1: indulge in the truth. Actually, that's not quite right either.
- 37:53Speaker 1: There is truth, but it's Freddie's truth. He looks into
- 37:57Speaker 1: the journalist's eyes. The last thing I want to do,
- 38:00Speaker 1: he tells her, is give people an idea of who
- 38:02Speaker 1: I really am. I want people to work out their
- 38:05Speaker 1: own interpretation of me and my image. I don't want
- 38:08Speaker 1: to build a frame around myself and say, this is
- 38:11Speaker 1: what I am or this is all I am. The
- 38:14Speaker 1: journalist scribbles in her notepad and Freddy fumbles with his hands.
- 38:19Speaker 1: Years later, in the early 80s, he will take up
- 38:22Speaker 1: smoking Marlboro Reds at first and then onto Marlboro Lights,
- 38:25Speaker 1: not because he necessarily enjoys the habit, because it gives
- 38:28Speaker 1: us something to do with his hands. He finds the
- 38:31Speaker 1: journalist's eyes again and continues. To be honest, he says,
- 38:36Speaker 1: I think mystique, not knowing the truth about someone, is
- 38:39Speaker 1: very appealing. There's a lot of freedom today, and you
- 38:42Speaker 1: can put yourself across any way you want to, but
- 38:45Speaker 1: I haven't chosen this image. I'm myself, and in fact,
- 38:49Speaker 1: half the time, I let the wind take me. It's
- 38:54Speaker 1: all right there. in an interview Freddie Mercury gave way
- 38:57Speaker 1: back in 1974, long before Queen were cemented as one
- 39:01Speaker 1: of the biggest rock bands in history. Freddie didn't want
- 39:05Speaker 1: the whole truth about him out in the open, not
- 39:07Speaker 1: because he was hiding anything, but because he found it
- 39:10Speaker 1: more interesting that way. And he didn't want to know
- 39:13Speaker 1: the whole truth about you either, by the way. He
- 39:15Speaker 1: wanted to figure it out and make up his own version.
- 39:18Speaker 1: Freddie said it himself. He was taken by the wind.
- 39:21Speaker 1: Whatever you saw, that's who he was. He was your
- 39:25Speaker 1: creation He was the person Leslie Ann Jones has written about.
- 39:29Speaker 1: He was the person Jim Hutton has written about. He
- 39:32Speaker 1: was the person portrayed by Rami Malek in the film
- 39:34Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody. But then he was also the person that
- 39:38Speaker 1: Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to portray. And he's the person
- 39:43Speaker 1: that all of you who are at this very moment
- 39:46Speaker 1: shaking your heads and telling me I'm wrong about thinks
- 39:49Speaker 1: that he was as well. This would have cracked Freddie up.
- 39:54Speaker 1: It's exactly what he wanted, known and unknown at the
- 39:58Speaker 1: same time. To be anything else would be a disgrace.
- 40:03Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan. This is Disgraceland. All right, discos, thanks
- 40:22Speaker 1: for checking out this episode of Queen. In light of
- 40:25Speaker 1: everything we discussed, question of the week this week is
- 40:28Speaker 1: a simple one. Which music biopic gives the most honest
- 40:32Speaker 1: depiction of a musician's life? That's what we want to know.
- 40:35Speaker 1: Not just your favorite music biopic, but your favorite because
- 40:38Speaker 1: you think it's an honest depiction. Is it, I don't know,
- 40:41Speaker 1: the Johnny Cash biopic, the Serge Gainsbourg one, the, is
- 40:44Speaker 1: there an Amy Winehouse one? There isn't one. They're making one.
- 40:47Speaker 1: They just made the Anthony Bourdain one. I know that's
- 40:48Speaker 1: not music, but what do you, what'd you think of that? 617-906-6638,
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