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Wallabies’ Problem Isn’t the Ref… JK & Victor on Boks Squad, All Blacks Injury Woes · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

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  Do you look like a table lamp Riccata? I look like a table lamp. Yeah, with those headphones on
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  Do you need them? No, I don't really know who's becoming that. No, I know. I could do that one
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  Yeah, that's not
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  Not
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  Or the whole sort of just you know
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  Yeah, nice. No, that doesn't work either
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  If I don't have the headphones on I can't hear the sort of insightful insightful comments that you both make
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  Let's have a look at rivals
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  Right, let's get straight into it tonight, Victor Matfield and Sir John Kuhl and
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  Was it a penalty?
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  I think
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  Officials got something right. I was really happy. I was really worried that they're going to change it
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  But I think while I'm to do officials think a good call under pressure
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  Industrial there. I thought they made the wrong decision. Yeah, look, I
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  I'm pleased Victor went first because he's been to more racks than me
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  I think
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  One of the things that's important is to look at it in real time and I've seen it 50 times in real time
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  When they slow it down I think a couple of things
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  I don't think he got
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  Behind the ball. So I think he was offside anyway coming in from an angle rather than coming in through the gate
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  And I thought it was instantaneous. I thought it was a hugely courageous decision. I think I think what it's what it's sort of
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  Overshadowed for me was the Australians were outstanding
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  But really only for
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  65 minutes of the game
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  You know a 25
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  5 lead or what 23 5 lead
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  You know is absolutely no way you should lose a test from that. So the last 10 minutes of the first half and probably the last
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  10 minutes of the of the second half for me
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  Was the difference not that ruck, you know
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  I thought they were outstanding, but then
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  Two quick tries from the Lions and you know what it's like Victor you're going at half time if the Lions go in at half time
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  20 23 5 or whatever it was
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  You know the the whole conversation is different the whole vibes different
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  You know Farrell said after the game is going to say the same message, but like
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  I just thought you know I looked up and all of a sudden boom test was you think oh they're back into it
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  They're going to win
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  Yeah, I just just back to the incident. I think these two things that you need to have a look at
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  Firstly, did he hit him on the head or on the neck? I don't think he did
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  It was nice on the top and the second thing you'd not allowed to do a croc roll anymore. So
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  I think
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  He wings straight. It was a very hard hit. That's what you won
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  That's what you teach your forwards to really get stuck in you one guys to pop out like that. That's like the
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  Ultimate for any Ford if you get a clean like that. So that very well, but I'm with JK as well
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  um
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  This game
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  Make me think a lot about our 2009 second test against the British and Iceland's at Loftus where
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  You win the first test
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  You feel like you over the other team and you pitch up at the game just not mentally
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  Quite there. I think that's what the
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  Lions probably did
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  Yes, they were motivated, but they knew there was a third test. There's a back door
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  um
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  Somehow they just mentally not 100% there and Australia is Australia and everything to play for it was do or die for them
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  They came out and of course when you came out like that, there's always a bit
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  Difficult to get into the test match, but I think once the Lions just got through that
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  2030 30 minutes face we could see who is the best team of the two and yeah, they came through
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  And well done to them. They they were under pressure
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  They focus and also I think Australia. I didn't understand why they made some of the changes so early in that second off
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  Garlock
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  Wolf skeleton was unbelievable for me just these
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  Physical presence in the game. I mean even in that
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  little fight they had or push that bad
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  um
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  You're just starring over everyone and that's what you want in a game. You want that forward to just be there
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  And that's a presence and I wouldn't have taken off that early
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  I couldn't believe it either victor what surprised me is this is one of the biggest games of
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  You know recent history playing the Lions for players
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  And I thought valentinean skeleton made a huge difference
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  I would not have put them on the GPS like I listened to the after match
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  um
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  Press conference and two things stood out to me um
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  Like just run them till I can't run anymore would be my theory
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  um
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  Because I always remember I played with a guy called Peter Fatiolova who was like
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  The worst trainer in the best player
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  But he would just go and go and go and keep going
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  So it's a once in a lifetime. I wouldn't have taken them off
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  Second thing is what surprised me about
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  Um the press conference was the Australians were talking like they are a second tier nation
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  Developing um, you know young players getting better. That is just bullshit. This is Australia
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  This is one of the best teams in the world. This is you know
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  Two-time buddy
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  Will cup champions. I just don't understand um the dialogue at the moment, you know
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  I think that the dialogue should be
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  Is super rugby now
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  Is super rugby now preparing
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  New Zealand and Australian teams for test match rugby like the six nations in the northern hemisphere does
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  Um, you know would Australia be a lot better after playing the championship
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  But coming out and saying oh, we're a young team, you know
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  We're still learning our style of play that is not acceptable from our top tier nation as far as I'm concerned
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  And I think you've got to be really careful with that dialogue
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  For me, Australia
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  Are our cousins. I felt for Australia because I would have loved to see them winning and it go to a
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  To you know the last game this week. So I was pretty gutted for them
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  But you know, I don't like listening to them saying we're a developing side as young guys in the test match arena
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  No, I wouldn't like if it was South Africa. I'd say too bad if it was New Zealand would say too bad like what are you talking about where top tier nations?
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  So that really surprised me the the changes and the dialogue
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  If you're one of the top nations, I just don't think you
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  um
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  Get opportunity to say we're building um you're building super rugby you're building your local competition
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  That's where you get
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  Youngest opportunity
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  When you're a taste match you pick your 15 base players or your 23 base players and I mean then you must make sure your mixes right
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  You've got young
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  Players coming through you've got few older guys
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  With a lot of experience. So that's all about I'm in selection. I mean there is people in Australia
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  That's played close to 100 taste matches. That's available. So if they want to say listen
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  We know the experience enough just go pick one of those guys things. So
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  Yeah, unfortunately
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  I don't think you get that opportunity to say listen
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  We have talked to your nation. We're building a taste match label especially if you're not if you plan the British eyes lines
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  I mean, that's the biggest thing in 12 years in any of South Africa New Zealand
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  um
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  Rapid Canada. So you should be ready for it. I
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  Think it's fair to say that if either New Zealand or South Africa had been in this situation that Australia was in
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  And that hadn't been a penalty against us. We'd probably be making the same noises
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  So, you know, that's understandable. But what are the things
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  That they can change they can't change the way the referee rules every rack
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  But what are the things that they can change to make sure that they win against the lines?
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  You've got to close out the game in the first half you've got to
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  Have a better
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  Kicking game in the last 10 minutes once they score that first try you've got to try and work for a penalty get another three points
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  Um, you know, that last 10 minutes for me was the costing of the test match
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  I agree with Victor and I don't know what's happening with us because we're tend to be agreeing too much but
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  um, you know, I felt the lines were
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  Pretty pretty poor in their discipline. They were turning over ball. They were trying to create stuff
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  Um out of nothing instead of building it
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  So, you know, for me
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  Australia
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  I don't think we used to that intensity and I get back to super rugby again versus
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  versus the northern hemisphere competitions
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  It seemed to me that you know, you think about the lines and the defense and the
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  the pressure that they sort of
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  Talk in the first half and yet
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  There was a passage of play just before the lines played those two games and it looked like Australia out on their feet now
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  Um, are they fit enough? Of course they fit enough, but you cannot actually train in intensity. You've got to live it
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  You've got to own it. You've got to play it. You've got to feel it. You've got to understand what it's like to go to the well
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  But it looks like they played with such intensity within they just run out of juice in the last 10 minutes
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  Of the first half um, and then I agree with with the changes
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  I think that valentine not coming out after half time and will skeleton getting taken off early
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  Really made a difference the guys that came on actually thought performed okay, but it's not those big bodies
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  You know valentine and skeleton were making some real inroads really bending
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  You know really bending their defensive line and once you bend the defensive line it changes the whole
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  Aspect from backs, you know some are like time liner can then can then have front foot balls start
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  Having a bit more time to make his kicks and stuff like that
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  So that's where I think they lost it around
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  80 minutes of intensity at test match rugby, you know
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  You lose games in one moment
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  And I think Australia probably had 15 minutes of
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  Dropping their intensity
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  Yeah, that's actually interesting we again we talk about experience and
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  They're sitting with a guy like James O'Connor
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  Yes, I know he hasn't been maybe that successful at test match level
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  But I mean going to the crusaders coming on for them closing out games
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  Isn't he a guy with experience that maybe should be on the bench and if you need some experience to close out a game
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  He's the right guy or even to open it up
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  I thought he was really good for the crusaders whenever he came on in the last few minutes
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  Of games to win the games for them especially with these vital kick all just to close out the game. So
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  I'm sure this is a game of interest
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  I mean we saw in a World Cup three one point victories and you the World Cup
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  And that's about dealing with those pressure moments in a game
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  And most of the time when you've got those pressure moments you want
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  Guys with a little bit of experience guys will stay calm
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  Under pressure being there making their right decisions and that's again. I mean
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  skeleton Valentini those are big
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  Moment players and you want him there for the last few minutes and sometimes
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  Yes, GPS can say something but the presence on the field
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  Just giving confidence to everyone around you. Unfortunately the GPS gone show that
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  I wonder if they asked them
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  You know, I wonder if they said well you got another 10 minutes or
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  This pre-plan stuff. I think you got to be very careful of in big moments like like those, you know
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  So he didn't look completely exhausted when he came off to me
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  I don't know what what what are they saying in Australia Ricardo? You're in Sydney at the moment
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  They actually gone away from the Ruck and started talking about how they can win the next test
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  No, it's still made me about the Ruck
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  You know, it's probably got another six years to go. I'd say they're talking about the Ruck here
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  Um
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  Is anyone ever asked you during a test match with a
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  Is it time for you to come off? What would you say?
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  I was a winger mate, so we didn't really do anything that much besides look good
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  So you have to ask Victor plus in my day
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  You weren't allowed to when we started you weren't allowed to make replacements only replacements for injuries
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  That's how old I am. So yeah, I was very fortunate. So I think
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  Of mine is in 27th test. I probably played close to 1110 80 minutes. So
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  Yeah, so normally when it was a tight game
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  And again because I was part of the leader group you want your leaders to be on the field you want your guys
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  calling the line out guys
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  Making vital decisions in the game on the field in the last 10 20 minutes
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  Because that's when you can really win a game or even run away with a game. So
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  Yeah, I never wanted to come off the field
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  Yes, these times we get bugged in the game, but two three more minutes and you're back in it
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  So I did you think not one of those two guys look
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  That they needed to come off after they can go more. So
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  Yeah, it's a difficult thing that was probably pre-planned. I haven't played the previous test
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  So it's really difficult, but yeah, I'm a guy
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  You want your big moment players there at the end of the game
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  Can you just explain that like for me
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  Hard work and getting tired is getting a mover to the studio here and and I was exhausted by the time I'd move my chair around
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  But when you play a test match
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  Surely you're exhausted a lot earlier than the 80th minute and you just have to keep
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  Dragging yourself up and going you know what I just need to battle through this is is you can you explain to our our viewers our listeners
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  What that feelings like I think from a from a coaching point of view Ricardo what they would have been looking at at skeleton is
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  How quickly is getting into the defensive line whether he's starting to miss a couple of tackles
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  Um, whether he's getting to rucks and being a guard dog instead of hitting them. So they'd probably be looking at some
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  some technical stuff
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  Um, and then I'll let Vic down to the the the sort of
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  Player stuff, but that's what the coach has been looking for
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  Um, I should imagine I didn't see that. I'd probably have to go and re-look at the game again
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  I didn't see that from Will skeleton. So that's why I'm saying they might have been looking at GS piece GS
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  You know
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  GPS stats instead of actually some of the game stuff, but I'm you know, joe smits are pretty experienced coach
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  I'm pretty sure we would have been looking at technical performance
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  What do you reckon? Something that I've seen now especially working with Japan and our days it wasn't that technical as well
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  JK we were still a coach just had a
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  needed to have a feeling about it
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  Be say say very hard on it
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  coaches can see
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  At Japan you've got let's try a read and a goal for a player, a goal just when a player works
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  I would 23 meters to get into position to do something and a radius if they don't get up
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  Let's say within two seconds or they walk the first three steps and that started to show so
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  these days they do have
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  much more
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  Infer that they can use when they make
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  Substitutions, but again, I've said it as well. There's certain players
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  That when you put them in a bleep there's they can't I mean they fall out first
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  They put them in a test match and they's important rocks to hit or turn out to make the tackles make they in front
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  They just keep going so and
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  Yeah, I think you need to look at that you can't just look at the stats sometimes as well if a player goes through
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  Those few men after this really tired
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  If you know the game again be a bit lazy, but still be in the right place at the right time. So because you understand the game so
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  Yes, the stats is important, but you also need to have a feel for the game and a feel for what's happening in the test match
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  What do you need?
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  On the park
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  Especially for those last 23 minutes
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  Victor how you played a lot of 80 minutes. How did you
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  Drag you'll sorry ask around where you were exhausted and you still had 10 minutes to go and they're the most intense most important 10 minutes of the game
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  Few really exhausted is always the prop that needs to go down for little injury
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  So that you can be all right
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  They can't go on without the props, especially if there's a scrum so you just delay it a little bit
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  But yeah, I can't really remember being a test match
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  Where I was so tired that I didn't want to go on that wasn't part of my game
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  I know it got like buckets was always he was never scared of the position
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  He was just scared of when he was going to get tired. So you probably do get different players
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  Um
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  After the game 3 I mean one game in 2010 and
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  New Zealand to be the intensity was just so high and the contact was just unbelievable
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  Where you think whoa and I still do this um
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  But yeah fitness wise luckily I was never there that I felt and I need to come off
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  The the only time Ricardo I really noticed it was actually my first test and I got told during the week by some of the elders
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  You know Andy Hayden and Andy Dalton and those guys said look jk
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  Um the intensity will be amazing. There'll be times in the game when you are
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  Absolutely physically hurting and you just need to go to the well and if you can't go to the well you won't be here too long
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  And um and it was true
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  I remember just before half time we're playing France and they were playing a pretty expansive game
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  And I'd never run so much in all my life and actually was leaning on my knees and my legs were trembling
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  um
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  And I remember like like it was yesterday thinking are you good enough
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  Now we will know and I just
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  Had to get through it but it was in the same breath
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  I got through it pretty quick something happened and
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  You know, I think if you concentrate on that stuff too much
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  You've got to take your mind away from the pain and the way from the hurting and go
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  I need to do my next job. I need to chase the ball as hard as I can and stuff like that and then the mind
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  You know
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  I actually did a quite a bit of work on it afterwards and you know
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  They say that you've still got 80% of energy when your mind tells you it doesn't want to go anymore. So
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  um
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  You know, I think it's I think it's really interesting. I think there's another thing that
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  We're not talking about and is
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  Are we happy that our rules are such that some of the biggest games are being
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  Decided by a TMO
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  Um
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  All the rules that we now have, you know, can we avoid that in any way
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  Do we need to look at the rulebook and get rid of some
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  Um, what are we doing? Are we happy that the third test might be decided by a referee
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  Um, or the law
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  Is that a good or bad thing? So, you know, I walked away
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  Um, and that was an amazing test match, you know
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  Australia were bagged all week including us bagging them
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  Um, and they came out and you know, they performed for 65 minutes and it was a great test match to watch
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  So half the crowd
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  Would have walked away absolutely gutted and then that well probably three quarters and looked like a lot of lines members
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  But you know, they walked away esthetic, but it was came down to uh to a decision
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  And how do we how do we change that was it the right decision? Yep. I think it was
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  Um, but it's still a decision of TMO
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  I mean, I didn't even notice, I don't know about you Victor, but I did when I was watching I didn't even notice
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  Um, you know, I don't like I don't like when a player does that soccer
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  You know, um, and I think there was a bit of that in it which I don't agree with the who like I
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  Well, I'm not criticizing the player for you genuinely was hurt normally when you generally get hurt
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  You don't even think about throwing your arms in the air because it too bloody sore, but I didn't like that action
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  Um, and it seems to be coming into our game because of the law and do we want that you know a lot of the times
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  Our leaders that are really quick to stand up and say, you know, we're values and you know a game blah blah blah
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  But are we creating spaces for that stuff now concerns me a wee bit
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  No, no, maybe come back on the previous point uh about
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  In games when you're that tired. I just think as a team as well
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  There's certain things in a game that gives you energy gives you momentum and a game
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  And I think that is something that a team must know when you've lost momentum in a game
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  What's our go to what do we do to get almost that momentum back?
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  But also once you get momentum the whole team gets energy um
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  I've seen a lot with actually the all Blacks and the Crusaders
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  If they lose it sometimes they just go to a metal rack and they start picking gold
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  Just to get something back in the game with the balls we have certain things
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  I mean when you have to go out you have to defend
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  Wide wide place you don't get off the line you don't
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  Make the eats behind the advantage and then you get tired then you must say listen guys
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  We need to meet some back in this game
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  What's our go to we do we go to to take control back of this game and
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  That's something that teams probably need to work on is to say listen
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  This is what we need when we lose control over game when we lose momentum
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  Why do we do to get back into the game and to to get energy because if you're in the front fruit when things go well
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  No one thinks about being tired. That's when you're under pressure when that happens
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  It's coming on to you
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  That you feel tired so
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  No, it's all about what you can do to
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  Firstly, get the momentum back and secondly to get that energy back so
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  Um, yeah, that's very important in gaps
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  So just to clarify I think Valentini had an injury. I think that was one of the reasons why it's replaced
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  I think another point is that
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  Josh Smith's done an amazing job to get Australia from where they were say that the world cup to where they are now
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  and
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  Also when you looked at that rack there was probably about five or six things that could have been penalized
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  You know, you know, and and you're talking about the dive and you know where they're sealing off and and all that stuff
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  But all the people that were claiming
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  Calling for a penalty are probably the same people that are saying
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  We need to speed the game up
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  There's too many penalties, you know, so we can't have it both ways
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  But whether the things I want to clarify is that you guys both said that this will be three zip to the lines
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  Do you still think that?
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  Just on that first and I mean that that's a reality and that's something
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  Jacob's been talking about if I go back to any rock
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  And I want to find a penalty approach. I'll be able to find a penalty not to make it a try
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  So we must be very careful
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  To go back to something the old time and look because if you look for something the chances are
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  60% there's something you'll find to just allow it try um
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  Will it be three no
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  I'm not sure
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  I still think the Lions but I've been in the 30th match as well where you've
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  One that this year is especially like that one
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  You celebrate or Tuesday. It's very difficult to pick it up for the last test match
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  So it will be interesting to see what Ferrell will do
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  Will he still go to the same team or will he say to a few of the other guys listen guys?
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  Here's your opportunity to get a big victory in
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  And the British and Iceland's test match
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  Allie go the same team because I know the celebrations would have been big
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  It was been party all Saturday all Sunday and sometimes it's very difficult to pick yourself up after that for the test
• 25:04
  Yeah, I mean I've made history. I think
• 25:07
  um
• 25:08
  I saw some media saying if this if this Lions team wants to be great and go into legend
• 25:14
  Greece that is then they have to win the third test
• 25:16
  And I don't disagree with that because I think everything that Victor said is so true
• 25:21
  um
• 25:22
  You know
• 25:23
  Your partying you've made history your childhood dreams have come true
• 25:28
  um and you know you are
• 25:33
  relaxed for sure
• 25:35
  So I think if uh
• 25:37
  Ferrell would make some changes I reckon I think he would
• 25:41
  Make some changes for that reason for no other reason is that put a bullet up under a few boys and and give them the opportunity to bring energy
• 25:50
  And to be part of of something very special
• 25:54
  It's a bloody hard decision for a for a coach, right?
• 25:59
  Because you normally have a tendency to stay loyal, which is part of the DNA of us as people
• 26:04
  So
• 26:05
  Yeah, and I think just getting back to to what Victor said, you know
• 26:08
  I think the ceiling off rule when I talk about getting rid of summer rules
• 26:12
  And I don't know if Joel Judge came out in
• 26:15
  And um actually protected his his referees or came on
• 26:20
  Line did he record? I know that Nigel Owens who I've got a lot of respect for came out in
• 26:25
  And went through it really clearly. I don't know if Joel Judge did um
• 26:30
  But I think ceiling off if you watch northern hemisphere versus southern hemisphere rugby and
• 26:35
  And um, you know
• 26:36
  Selling off in northern hemisphere is is way more common than the southern hemisphere
• 26:41
  So I don't know how you judge that rule if you go back to every single ruck
• 26:47
  I guarantee that
• 26:48
  What the Lions did the Australian team did early in the first half you know sealed off
• 26:54
  Or hit a guy on the shoulder and this is the this is part of the problem of our
• 26:59
  Of our of our laws and how we interpret them. So for me the problem is
• 27:04
  You know a referee needs to stay consistent like
• 27:08
  Like uh victor said there's 18 different decisions that a referee needs to make at every ruck
• 27:14
  And while we're sitting there on the couch
• 27:16
  Enjoying it and you're having another pirate um, you know what happens is
• 27:22
  We sit there and we've got the slow motion. It's like the TMO
• 27:26
  But the game is so fast and so physical that decision-making is
• 27:31
  Sometimes
• 27:33
  Just about impossible. You are just reacting and I don't think we're taking that into a game
• 27:37
  Like Bodie getting sent off for reaction for the accidental knock on
• 27:42
  You know, we've got to look at some of this stuff and try and stay take it out of it
• 27:46
  And we've got to join got to join the the hemispheres
• 27:49
  So if you watch northern hemisphere rugby the ruck is refereed differently
• 27:54
  And I think that's part of the challenge of
• 27:56
  You know northern and southern hemisphere teams playing you need to adjust to the ref
• 28:01
  And it was a northern hemisphere ref. So he's going to get um, he's gonna give away all net
• 28:09
  You know sealing off a lot more because that's what he's used to in the northern hemisphere
• 28:13
  And that was that was awesome
• 28:14
  But the question was is it gonna be three zipped to the lines like I don't know if you heard that bit but can you give me an answer?
• 28:21
  Yes, it is
• 28:23
  Farrell changes his team
• 28:26
  I agree with Victor, you know if you pick someone like O'Connor you got to play him
• 28:32
  He's in the team as an older member
• 28:35
  I agree with what he did with the crusaders he came on a cup of times
• 28:38
  He kicked a pinch goal
• 28:40
  So I would be having him on the bench to go on with the last 15 minutes
• 28:44
  I think I think line is really improving. I think this test was way better than his first test
• 28:49
  I think he's got a lot of courage. I think he's got a really good kicking game
• 28:53
  Obviously his goal kicking is really good. So
• 28:56
  What he'll be looking at and what is old man to be looking at because I played with his old man a lot
• 29:01
  You know in the last 10 minutes of the first half as a first five did he control the game as well as he should and he might not have had the ball
• 29:08
  He might not have had the occasion to
• 29:11
  But as as a young first five those are the types of things you need to look at
• 29:16
  But I would use I would use Connor. I would use him for sure and I'd bring him on and try and win the last test
• 29:22
  But I think if Farrell has the courage to change a few players to create
• 29:28
  Some excitement and some focus and stuff. I think they've just got too much firepower
• 29:35
  Okay, well there's been a lot of the words I agree with you Victor
• 29:38
  I agree with you JK this week
• 29:40
  So I'm going to disagree and I'm going to say Australia is going to win and
• 29:44
  Because I don't think the lines are is good. I think under pressure
• 29:48
  They showed that they've got some some weaknesses and I think Australia have got some
• 29:53
  Mongrel in them this week that they're going to win the game, but let's
• 29:56
  Let's look at this and I just challenge you there
• 30:00
  Yeah, they were absolutely unbelievable under pressure you muppet
• 30:04
  The line they were 2335 down and they came back to 2317 under pressure. That is pressure
• 30:12
  The only thing they did do well is they they actually did what they need to do under pressure
• 30:18
  How many skill eras that they make any under pressure?
• 30:22
  How many skill eras did they make on that test compared to the previous? That's mental mate. That's mental
• 30:26
  That's that's been overconfident going into it. I think it's going to be too easy. I think so just going to happen, but
• 30:34
  You gotta I can't leave them I'm with JK on this to come back in that test match to come in that last last minute to school
• 30:41
  The try I mean everyone don't give those trade-offs a chance to win that test match
• 30:46
  Under the pump in the last minute you have to go through how many phases to score the try and you do it
• 30:51
  That's handling the pressure pretty well
• 30:54
  So you guys are so easy to rock up and get it. It's the only way to get a decent answer out of you
• 30:59
  Can you can you tell me Victor what you think of the South African squad? There's some bigger missions from that squad for the rugby championship
• 31:06
  Yeah, it's a few interesting
• 31:09
  Decisions the biggest one for me is probably Thomas the toy
• 31:13
  I thought Thomas the toy is probably the best
• 31:15
  Tilted prop in
• 31:18
  The Northern hemisphere
• 31:20
  In the club season the hasn't given me opportunity at Tilted anybody might lose it
• 31:26
  So that's really interesting for me and then the two guys that were there for the first World Cup
• 31:33
  I'm a bimbi in Lucania Am all of a sudden not the animals so
• 31:40
  We knew there's going to be a change of the god at least for it as well
• 31:45
  Few interesting guys that's left out some other guys getting an opportunity
• 31:50
  And but yeah, I think this squad looks good
• 31:54
  I think we still got a lot of depth in that squad
• 31:58
  But I still think there's one or two guys that probably will be changed throughout the year
• 32:03
  Even when we get to the end of the year as well
• 32:06
  What about Faf the clerk? Was that a surprise?
• 32:09
  He's actually been quite on the edge of the squad for the last three four years
• 32:14
  He didn't play a lot of rugby last year
• 32:16
  So they probably had to decide between him and Quibis Rhinach
• 32:21
  To be almost that experienced scram off and Quibis play well
• 32:26
  I mean Faf played brilliantly when he came on I had a big impact
• 32:30
  I think with Quibis being there last year as well
• 32:34
  Coming back to South Africa to play in South Africa as well
• 32:37
  You probably just got the nut ahead of Faf
• 32:40
  I mean there's a really important point of difference
• 32:42
  I mean the South Africans can leave someone like Faf out
• 32:46
  Whereas the all blacks have lost Nigel Hotham through injury
• 32:50
  And that's left us a big hold JK
• 32:52
  Ah has it
• 32:54
  Yeah, I think you're talking about well
• 32:58
  What about our bluesman
• 33:00
  Finlay Christie totally Finlay Christie's been our second and our first choice up until
• 33:07
  Razor got in touch or got the got the game. So
• 33:12
  um
• 33:12
  I think that you just pick him straight away and you are covered for your third. So
• 33:19
  Um, I think Hotham's a really good young player and you know, he's injured which is a shame
• 33:23
  But I think Finlay Christie could come in as third halfback and we don't lose anything
• 33:28
  Um, I he'll have a point to prove apparently
• 33:31
  He might have signed overseas
• 33:33
  But I think in this case of Hotham's out what's he out high angle strain or something
• 33:38
  Out for a while then you just pick him for the rest of the season where you go
• 33:42
  So I'm not too concerned about that. I think um
• 33:46
  You know, I think some of the other injuries
• 33:49
  I hope obviously they said Barrett's on the mend
• 33:52
  I think um, you know for me up front
• 33:57
  We've got um
• 33:59
  Old mate injured the prop. What's his name? Lomax. Yeah, Lomax. I should have known that
• 34:05
  Um, so that's that's a bit more of a concern for me than than third halfback. So I think Lomax and you know
• 34:11
  If you're coming up against South Africa as as Victor has just said if you can leave out some of those
• 34:18
  some of those front row is that a big
• 34:20
  Amazing props then front row is going to be a massive and dare I say this Victor
• 34:25
  Dare I say this that the scrum against South Africa and the line-out is going to be fundamental to our winning. So
• 34:32
  Um, I think Lomax is a is a bigger bigger loss
• 34:35
  Lomax has been very good for the all blacks and
• 34:39
  Actually the all blacks is the one team. We didn't really get the upper hand in the scrubs
• 34:45
  Uh
• 34:46
  We've been interesting to see with walker low coming in there now. He's been really good
• 34:50
  uh
• 34:51
  For the balls
• 34:53
  Very strong as well, but we've seen it these days that don't use a scrum as a starting point any more to play from
• 35:01
  Almost every scrum these first try and get a penalty and after that to play away. So uh
• 35:06
  Yeah, the set this will be very important and then last year our line-out is actually built with under pressure from the all blacks as well
• 35:13
  Uh, we've got
• 35:14
  Louis the young for back
• 35:16
  Uh, one of the curious man of the match
• 35:18
  Uh, we've got Franco Mossett in that five position as well. So it will be interesting to see
• 35:23
  If Russia is going there with the older guys or if he's giving the
• 35:28
  Young
• 35:29
  Young says the opportunity to play in a big taste match against all blacks. All those are always straight up
• 35:36
  Funny how you know we automatically feel that the rugby championship is to be decided between New Zealand and South Africa
• 35:42
  But we're going to have an Australian team that's coming off the back of a pretty competitive line series
• 35:47
  And an Argentinian team that beat the line. So it's shaping up to be a hell of a series
• 35:52
  Oh, I think I think the the the team that's at biggest risk is South Africa
• 35:58
  Because they haven't had the games that they need to start the championship. So
• 36:05
  They've got Australia and I think Australia have like
• 36:09
  Regardless of the
• 36:10
  Regardless of the the decision the result this week
• 36:15
  You know, they'll be a better team for that
• 36:18
  We've played a pretty good French side, you know, I think Victor you should be worried because
• 36:23
  You might be a little bit underdone for your first test
• 36:26
  Maybe you should be worried because you struggle to be to see a French city but
• 36:33
  Think whatever you want. I think the bots will be prepared
• 36:36
  I also think it's great that we start in South Africa. I think Australia is actually
• 36:42
  We'll probably see
• 36:45
  That they improve as much as we think
• 36:49
  In the rugby championship again because you need to be consistent you play four five tough games in a row
• 36:55
  And that's the same thing for Argentina. We know Argentina can beat any team on any day
• 37:02
  But can they do it three four weeks in a row and that's the thing that you need to ask and that's the same question that
• 37:07
  Australia will have to answer so
• 37:10
  I think we fortunate that we start in South Africa
• 37:13
  But up a little bit momentum and then come over to New Zealand and
• 37:18
  Break that long-standing record at Indian Park
• 37:22
  Ricardo actually I called you a map it before but you actually do look like that girl that sits up in the
• 37:27
  Sits up in the
• 37:30
  In the in the in the balcony in the balcony and heckles people that a little bit like you but I think
• 37:37
  Um to talk about your statement before and to sort of add to Victor's statement. I think that you know
• 37:46
  If the Lions aren't that good then we will see
• 37:51
  On Australia's results in the in the championship
• 37:55
  You know, they're going to grow from this um
• 37:58
  And
• 38:00
  The Lions
• 38:02
  You know
• 38:03
  We're not the side that we think they are I disagree with you. I think they're unbelievable side. I think that they've got
• 38:10
  pressure players right across the park
• 38:12
  But it's a massive championship for Aussie
• 38:15
  Joe Smith's leaving you know, I agree. I think they've come on leaps and bounds
• 38:19
  But I don't like them chat talking like they're
• 38:21
  Like they're a
• 38:23
  Second Nation they need to get that out of their dialogue
• 38:26
  And they need some really big results in the championship. Otherwise, it's been um
• 38:32
  You know, for me, it's a real concern. I love when Aussie is strong. I love when they win test matches
• 38:39
  I don't like that they're doing one off, you know
• 38:43
  Like and New Zealand. We've been a little bit guilty of that in the last few years
• 38:46
  And maybe it's because everyone's so much better but I just think
• 38:51
  That
• 38:52
  If Australia cannot perform at the highest level it really puts the whole southern hemisphere
• 38:58
  under pressure
• 39:00
  To understand what our competition is
• 39:03
  Preparing our players for if test match rugby is the ultimate
• 39:08
  So that's my biggest worry. I'm really intrigued
• 39:10
  About the championship. I'm really intrigued to see where we are all against victors South Africa because
• 39:17
  They are world champions. They have just won the under 20 world cup
• 39:21
  Although they they've bought everyone to death
• 39:24
  With malls and shit, but you know, they've got you see that back three of us
• 39:29
  Okay, they're still in the ball Victor. I don't give them the ball mate
• 39:36
  And ever give me the ball
• 39:39
  But he more more more more
• 39:44
  But you know South Africa are the pinnacle South Africa are the you know the level and last year
• 39:51
  I think we let opportunity go
• 39:54
  You know in South Africa. I thought we had them on the ropes and and couldn't quite finish them off
• 39:59
  So this championship for me is a massive one around who's got the depth
• 40:04
  How we're looking for the next world cup
• 40:06
  All right, we got it just again. I think we haven't given enough credit probably to Australia and to Josh
• 40:13
  We said he's a great coach and if someone can
• 40:16
  Do something for Australia record would be him. So
• 40:20
  I mean the way they came back after that first test is just unbelievable and
• 40:26
  They were really up for it. They were physically up for it. I think they were well prepared
• 40:32
  And but unfortunately
• 40:35
  You need to be mental tough and
• 40:38
  Just for me at this stage feels like they're very happy with the game that they're glad
• 40:43
  But like Jake I said they were
• 40:45
  3-5 up and home and home you can never lose that and that's where they need to grow
• 40:51
  If they want to beat South Africa if they want to beat New Zealand consistently
• 40:57
  You need to be mental tough and you can't so
• 41:00
  Leads like that especially at home
• 41:02
  Away to do certain things
• 41:05
  Right, I think on that note we've had so much agreement with you too
• 41:08
  The good thing is that you can always disagree on who the best team is between South Africa and New Zealand
• 41:14
  And you both don't like Australia. So appreciate that. Thank you
• 41:17
  I can just send you the world rankings if you want to
• 41:20
  So that I have to argue we know is the number one
• 41:23
  And I can send two World Cup through that
• 41:26
  Want to mention the World Cup in every show we do
• 41:30
  Of course double the world champion. Sorry. I cannot wait to win the next one
• 41:38
  What if we win the triple
• 41:40
  Oh
• 41:42
  And you're going to do two shows a week for me to mention I don't I don't even want to think about that Victor. I do not even want to think about that now
• 41:52
  I was going on the cup the other day actually Victor thinking
• 41:58
  Um
• 41:59
  You know this rivalry between New Zealand and South Africa what so the Africa has achieved
• 42:04
  um
• 42:06
  You know, it is absolutely amazing and what I love about it is that
• 42:12
  Um, we need to take that mantle back. We need to do everything we can we need to look at you copper you
• 42:19
  Understand what's going on. You know, I keep asking you about your development and all that sort of stuff
• 42:23
  You're under 20s just one
• 42:26
  So you must be immensely proud, but it really annoys me. So is that are you cricket fans?
• 42:33
  Yeah, we've been watching this
• 42:35
  Master's that you see ABDA Villiers hitting 100 or 41 and then 100 or 38
• 42:40
  Now what's the masters?
• 42:42
  So seniors like the legends
• 42:44
  They playing in the UK at the moment ABDA Villiers is just killing it wrong
• 42:51
  Smashing them all over I did see that we beat South Africa this week in the cricket
• 42:57
  Is it yeah
• 43:00
  That's a bubbly
• 43:04
  I need to run. Thank you