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Ep 41:Fall Events & The Leestown Witch with DFI · The City of Frankfort Podcast

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From Capitol Halls to Bourbon Balls, this is the City of Frankfurt podcast for the Frankfurtians.
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We're swapping stories, spilling the tea, and celebrating the quirks that make
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Kentucky's capital the best hometown around.
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Welcome to the City of Frankfurt podcast. I'm Ellie, and I'm joined today by
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Susie Hosley, who's the executive director of Downtown Frankfurt,
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Inc., which is one of the most critical organizations in our downtown community.
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I really mean that. I'm being serious. You bring so many wonderful,
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amazing, fantastic events including the one that is the meat of our conversation
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today that we'll be spilling the cocktail over.
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Instead of the tea no i love it so suzy please tell me like what are we what
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are we here to chat about today well first of all thank you for your very kind
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words ellie um i appreciate that so yeah,
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we are it is all things october and downtown frankfurt we're in the middle yes Yes.
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And just lots of magic happening.
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And we'll get into it. Witches Night Out. It's in its fourth year.
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Um, October the night. Okay. So it's a Friday night.
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It's a Friday night, actually. Tomorrow night. By the time this is released. Yeah. Um, yes.
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And starting at six 30. Okay.
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And that is when, um, really the streets come alive, the magic happens.
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So, uh, we estimate this is our fourth year. It is growing every year,
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but it is thousands of women dressed up as witches to stroll through our downtown.
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It is a sight to see. You know, it's really cool because I don't know why,
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but it just feels like there is power in women when we get together in big groups.
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Absolutely. Because they come in groups, right? And there's all different age.
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Demographics. And there's just so much fun things to do that night.
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I hope you're going to be there, right? I will absolutely be there.
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Yeah. I wouldn't miss it for the world.
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But I think it's interesting. So, you know, when we think Witches Night Owl,
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there's thousands of witches throughout downtown Frankfort. But what are they
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doing? What will they be doing? Yeah.
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And men are welcome, too. I have to say that. We do see warlocks.
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But so anyways, we will start at the Capital City Museum. Which is where I come
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in. Yeah, that's where you come in.
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That is the hub. And, you know, and it's important to have that start location
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because anytime you do these strolls, it's great to have that initial,
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like, first spot where you can get information.
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It sets the tone for the night, and there's no better place to do it than the Capital City Museum.
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Thank you. So you'll go to the museum.
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I think, well, I'll let you talk about what's going to happen at the museum.
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You'll get your passport, and it will show you all the places that,
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places that you can stop to during Witch's Night Out. So there are...
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So many places, they get a Halloween themed cocktail or mocktail.
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There's lots of shopping that you can do. All the shops are open.
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And that's the thing that's really cool about this event.
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What makes it so special are the businesses in downtown and what they put into it.
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And they all put a lot into it. And, you know, that's why we say the more you
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put into it, the more you decorate it, the better it will be.
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And everyone gets excited about it. There is such a sense of community.
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In this event because of that.
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So you'll go to the museum, you'll get your passport, and then you just start
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mapping out the night on where you want to go.
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There is live music, Twist the Fate, we'll be playing out on St. Clair Street.
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We have a few food trucks. We will have a few witchy vendors,
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you know, setting up. Also on St. Clair.
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St. Clair, yes. Okay, cool. Um,
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We have a belly dancing performance that's going to happen that night,
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too. Awesome. Oh, shout out to our sponsors, Community Trust Bank and Cunningham
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Electric for sponsoring the band.
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But, yeah, so the vibe, like, on the outside, on the streets, it's fun.
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You run into people. Everybody's dressed up. But then you have at least 30-plus
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places you can go to in the downtown area.
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Really? Yes. I mean, that's amazing. That's a ton of different businesses and
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opportunities. And so for these folks who are doing like themed things,
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I know that some of them have already sent what they're doing to you.
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Can you give us a little preview? Like what are some of these folks doing?
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Yeah, absolutely. Like one of my favorites go to that night is the Kentucky Flower Market.
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They do silent disco. Oh, it's so fun. Have you ever done silent disco?
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I have at the museum last year. That's right. Disco. Yeah. Was that your first
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time? It was, I think, actually. But it's so much fun. So they do it at the
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flower market that night. That night. And they're doing make your own like flower crown.
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Whoa. Have fun. Cool. Do you have to register? Do you know? No,
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I think you can go in and like make your crown, do a little silent disco.
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That's happening. I think the foundry's got a DJ at a party happening down there.
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Where they partnered with Boobridge.
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Um, hey, uh, not the, uh, you have a whole thing that you guys are doing at
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the, um, uh, Widow's Bay themed like party at Bibbs.
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Um, so like, as you can see, everybody kinda, they, they go,
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they go into it. They get all into it. Um, and then the drinks are so fun too.
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Like all the, the, um, restaurants and bars right now, they're,
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they're making their concoctions.
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And they're all Halloween things. Yeah. And they're fun. So you can start mapping
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out where you want to get your cocktail.
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And then food specials will be happening.
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That's the thing. Like, we have some of the vendors, but it's like we really
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don't even have to have a lot because of how many businesses.
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That's what's so cool about downtown Frankfurt. It's so walkable.
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Yeah. And, you know, it's a condensed area. And there's, God,
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you look at this poster that I'm showing you right now. Yeah.
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But people listening can't see.
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But it's that route downtown. It will probably be linked on this post.
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But you'll see there's like a good 30 places you can go to.
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And the city, because the city is awesome. Thank you, City of Frankfurt,
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is providing free shuttle service that night.
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So the businesses that are maybe not in the, you know, in the condensed area,
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but are on the outskirts, like Porters, they always do a really fun thing that night.
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You can get a free shuttle ride, head there, head to Siglusher,
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come back down to Broadway, Main Street.
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Yeah, so you can really spread out. You can really spread out, yeah.
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That's great. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there's also a Facebook group
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where the businesses will be posting, or not a group, but like an event where
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they'll be posting maybe specials or stuff going on if you want to see it as
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you're plotting stuff out. Yes, yes. Yes.
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So if you go to the Witches Night Out Facebook event page, there's a lot of,
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like, you know, end time posts from the businesses.
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It's probably especially that week leading or this week leading. Yeah.
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That where they're going to be putting out there what all they're doing.
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But we also have on the downtownfrankford.com website, there's a Witches Night
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Out event page, too, that lists out all the businesses. Yeah.
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Another one that comes to mind,
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Completely Kentucky is going to be doing a big old, like, photo shoot.
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Fun. Fun backdrop. Yeah.
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Set up that night that you can go and get pictures with your friends.
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Of course, at the museum, we'll have our photo booth down there as well.
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Absolutely. And Mothman's back. Mothman's back.
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Mothman's back. Yeah. Not necessarily a witch, but, you know,
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he's got the spirit. Yeah. Halloween in him.
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He does. Yeah. He does.
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But there's just something about, like, who doesn't love a thing?
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Yeah. And there's just something about seeing so many.
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It's like your favorite Halloween party, but it's the city's Halloween party.
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You know, it's like you're out and you're just seeing so many people also dressed
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up. And that in itself is fun. So do you have to dress up to go?
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No, you don't have to. But you will.
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So many people are dressed up that if you don't dress up, you'll feel weird
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about not dressing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? That makes total sense.
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But you don't have to. But you don't have to. Yeah. So it's encouraged but not required.
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It's encouraged but not required. Okay. Yeah. And I know some folks maybe are
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going to be surprised by this. Yeah. But it's free. Yeah.
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Yeah yeah you don't have to there's no cost to it's $3.99 there's no cost to,
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come you don't have to pay anybody you don't have to pay to get a passport there's no,
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right whatever yeah that's the beauty of it that's great the only thing like that
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you have to pay for is what you decide to buy within those businesses that's
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right but to come go to it's free to go to the museum that night and you get
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your passport and just listen to the music that will be outside and some of the other performances.
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That will be out that will be outside so yeah and like your other passports
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that you've done for like chocolate stroll and those kind of events,
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do folks get these passports marked when they go to specific businesses and
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do they turn them in anywhere like do they do anything with them or is it more
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just like this is your guidepost of where you can go
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that's a great question um it's a guidepost okay because it's so busy that night um there's no way,
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you know um the businesses can work and you know like it's just it's really a
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guidepost for where you want to go so and then you have it with you all night
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yeah keep it for for the next day when you want to still see what's downtown
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yeah but there is a little thing that we're doing with yes i know.
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That is a thing i'll let you talk about that because i love it it's so much
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fun and this started our first year yeah it just was like that serendipitous,
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it was I mean, it was like this magical thing that was, what,
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just a few weeks before the event.
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And it is that piece.
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And Ellie's going to talk about it. But it is that piece. I really think,
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like, what makes these events so special is if you can do something unique to
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your community and you can tie it in.
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Yeah, it's like, that's magic right there. And that's where it gets cool.
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And so for this, what you're going to talk about to happen, it's made,
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which is night out, even more special. It's like, we have our own.
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Yeah, back off everyone else. Back off, Samuel.
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Yeah. No, seriously, though. I mean, I think, so to just not put too fine a point on it,
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And when you geniusly came up with the idea to do a Witches Night Out,
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there was this confluence of amazing things that happened, which was,
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for those who don't know, who are listening, the Capital City Museum, every October.
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Puts out a podcast called Kentucky Deceased.
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It's why I'm wearing this sweatshirt today. And it is, you know,
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strange, unexplainable, bizarre, unsolved murders, the whole,
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all of the things that could possibly be. It changes every year.
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We kind of adjust, whatever.
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And because of that podcast we get folks who write in with stories and this
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really wonderful gentleman named owen out of louisville contacted me to say
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did you know frankfurt has a witch and i said hi.
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No way uh and he you know told me about all these articles and how he had been
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listening to this european podcast that talked about it i mean it was just like
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this crazy thing because,
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when you think witches in the u.s of course you think salem makes sense and kentucky also has,
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the um um oh i'm gonna get the name wrong but there is a town uh in western
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kentucky that also touts having a witch i think it's called like the battletown
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witch or something like that,
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but their stories are more like haunting circumstantial and it turns out that
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our witch here in frankfurt and franklin county,
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actually was really called into existence because of a murder which is amazing
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so okay into the thick of it not for the person that it happened to,
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That's true. That's actually fair.
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But I did a little deep dive and I'm not going to really go too much into it
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because if you are interested in this, you can listen to the podcast and you can get the whole thing.
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Just for the folks listening and for Susie, as a little primer on this,
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we're going to go back to no one get too nervous here. We won't be in this time zone too, too long.
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But we're going to go back to the like turn of the 20th century.
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And Frankfurt at that time had a lot of industrial sites in downtown area.
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And I know we don't really think about it now because we have all these businesses
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and we don't really utilize the river the way that we used to.
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It's like a lot of it's been reclaimed as green space.
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But between downtown Frankfort and what is now Buffalo Trace,
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there was factory after factory after factory after factory.
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And folks who worked at those factories lived around them.
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So the community of Lee's Town, which is off Wilkinson Boulevard,
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had a very significant population of folks who worked at the hemp factory that was right there.
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And Kentucky, especially Frankfort County, was one of the top producers of hemp
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rope during World War I, which is insane. So before I get lost in the weeds,
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coming back, this gentleman named Thomas Cleveland Hark.
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He was born here in Frankfort. He had a.
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Bunch of siblings. He was employed at the factory for many years,
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and he married this young woman in his early 20s, and her name was Lillian Couvert.
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So he was 25 and she was 18, and they got married on December 14, 1910.
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And about a year after they married, they had their first child,
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and the child lived for only a couple of weeks before it passed away.
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And at the time, Lillian began to feel like something was not quite right.
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And within a few weeks, she became horribly ill and actually passed away herself.
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But right before she died, she said that she felt like somebody had put a curse
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on her and not in like the, you know, I feel cursed.
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My life is horrible way. But like, I feel like someone has directly cursed me
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and her parents made note of this they were like oh,
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interesting but okay you know she's sick it's you know her child just died she's
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going through a lot of things and um they began to help her husband kind of
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clean the home and get everything ready,
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and the her mother lillian mother was going through the.
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Uh bed clothes to kind of straighten everything up to clean everything And as
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she was feeling the pillow, she felt like a hard object inside the pillow.
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And she had made this pillow for her daughter using chicken feathers from their home.
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So it wasn't, you know, something they bought at Kroger or Sears or whatever.
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So she is like, what could this possibly be? And she looks at the pillow and
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no one's cut it open. It still has the original sewing marks.
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There's no signs of repair. There's no additional lines that have been added around the outside.
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So she cuts the pillow open and...
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Inside, she finds what's called a witch's sign, which is like a stuffed doll
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filled with chicken feathers that has like a witch's mark on top of it.
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And it's kind of vague about what the witch's mark looks like.
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But there's no reason for this doll to be inside this pillowcase.
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And at the time, this was believed to be a witch's curse.
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And so the newspaper here in town, the State Journal, ran an article about the
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Lee's town witch and about this investigation into the witch.
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And they suggested a few things that could be done before the witch strikes
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again and murders somebody else in that town or in that area of Frankfurt,
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that included boiling the stockings and poking them with a stick repeatedly
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or like a fork or something.
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Burning the stockings, whatever it might be.
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But what ultimately was decided was that Thomas Harp would go to Louisville
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to meet with a clairvoyant there, Leopold Lee, and figure out why this witch
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had been cursed or had cursed his family.
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And ultimately, we don't know the outcome of that clairvoyant meeting.
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But what we do know is that there was no official investigation into a witch
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of any variety and that the family burned the stockings.
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So, you know, they really did try and break the curse. And if you're wondering
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what happened to Thomas, he lived a very full life after Lillian passed away.
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Within two years, he married a woman named Hallie Anderson, who was 10 years younger than him.
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And they had many children. They had six children, most of whom lived to adulthood.
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And they had a really, from all accounts, a seemingly lovely life.
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But I looked up the official report of Lillian Cuvert's death,
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and it says that she died of tuberculosis of the lungs, which makes sense for
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the time because it was, you know, the early 1900s and illnesses just kind of were pervasive.
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But anyway, her death and the finding of this item in the pillowcases and the
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subsequent solution to the problem led to the Lee's Town Witch, as we know and love it.
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And so when Owen shared all this with me, I was flabbergasted to tell you about
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it. And we introduced the first, like, can you find the Weasetown witch?
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Like, witch, can you report if you've seen her?
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And you came up with a genius idea. Back to the passports. So what happens with
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the witch and the passports?
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So that night, when you grab your passport or your guide for the night,
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if there is an X on it, you are marked the Weasetown witch.
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And so that evening at 8 o'clock, we do announcements on St. Clair's Street.
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We have some performances that happen down there. And so at 8 o'clock,
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we announce for the Lee's sound witch to come forward.
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And if she gets the X, she's supposed to go down there. And if she comes forward.
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She gets a tiara. It's made by Kentucky Bougie, a local shop here,
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flowers from the flower market.
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And she is the 2026 she will be the 2026 least time which and this has happened
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every year and then this year
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um another event shout out october 24th is the downtown thriller trick-or-treat
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parade super good time um but the least time we'll get to walk in that parade as well awesome so
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we we you know we really try to incorporate it if we're doing a,
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uh you know we're gonna do Witch's Night Out, and Frankfurt,
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you know, we have to tell our witch story and incorporate it in.
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So it's become a really fun, I guess, connection to the history of Frankfurt to this event.
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Um, so, yeah. So that was, that was kind of magic that first year.
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And wasn't it, what was crazy about it, Ellie, when you told me about it and
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you're like, oh my God, you know, historian is calling me to be like,
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oh my God, this is amazing. Yeah.
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Wasn't it like on a British podcast? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then they talked about it. Yeah. And then, yeah. Which I think is amazing
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that like our story is somehow being found out or translated to this overseas
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community before it's even really not here.
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Yeah. Which is the crazy thing. It is the crazy thing. And I think,
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like, that was one of the things, and we got to experience that the first year,
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the magic of this event. And one of the things I have learned in this position
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is if you build it, they will come.
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People, especially coming out of COVID, people want to connect. They want to get out.
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And we have, again, we have such a cool downtown. They want to connect and engage
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with our downtown. It's the heart of our city. It's the history of our city.
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But when we came up with the idea it was like you know a few i mean i'm talking
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like a month before where let's do it yeah it was right and we were all like.
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Whoa this is fast yeah yeah whoa it's fast i didn't really have a sponsor
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and um but it was like we have enough places to truly do a really fun cocktail
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stroll and um so let's not sure howling's the best time to do it it's our season to shine, right?
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And who doesn't love to dress up? And a lot of times I like to think about things
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I want to do with my friends. I'm a demographic. I'm a target audience for this.
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So it was one for me, for it being like a brand new event, you know,
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it was interesting to see. I'm thinking, okay,
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Let's promote this cocktail stroll, you know, instantly thought to partner with the museum.
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The businesses were like, OK, yeah, we'll give it a try.
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They humored me, you know, and it was cool to see the response of it on on social media.
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Like as soon as I made that post on Facebook, it was like, whoa,
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no, people want to do really want to do it. I mean, I'm thinking 300 was going
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to come. I didn't know how to gauge it. And so that first year to see
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oh my God, 2,000 plus women came down here to do this.
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And every year it growing. I mean, and then like you said, the story being contacted,
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it just shows like if you build it, they will come, they want to engage.
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And we have such a cool, cool downtown that people want to come here and experience.
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So, well, to your point, it's, we don't, we don't just have Witches Night Out,
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right? Like, I think it's a magical event, but there's also the Thriller Parade
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on 24th. Another amazing, yeah. Yeah.
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And so that's trick-or-treating. That's trick-or-treating. Thank you. October 24th, 5 to 6.30.
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Vester's Heritage is our sponsor for that one.
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There's trick-or-treating. So you can, the downtown businesses hand out candy.
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We also have other businesses, organizations on Broadway Street, In-N-Out Candy.
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Then at about 6.30ish, we start the parade. We do some fun things before the thriller performance.
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And then the thriller performance happens. It goes all the way down St.
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Clair and it turns and it goes down a part of Broadway Street.
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And these dancers, that's growing every year.
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I mean, when we started, I want to say we had maybe 30, 40 dancers in it. We're at like 80 now.
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And it's so fun to see. It's so iconic, right? So, yeah, that happens.
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And I know Haunting on the Hill is the weekend before. It is, the 17th from 5 to 1030.
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And unlike the two downtown events for Haunting on the Hill,
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it's still free, but you have to reserve your hayride ticket to go.
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So that's like a really, so it's free to do, but you have to reserve your hayride
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ticket in advance. And you can do that at capitalcitymuseum.org.
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But we partner with Paul Sawyer Public Library, as well as our city of Frankfurt,
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Oklahoma City of Frankfurt employee. They are a huge supporter of this event.
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They provide so much staff and infrastructure and the Parks Department really
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shows up for it. It's awesome.
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But then Spree Credit Union is our sponsor for that event.
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So it's a blast if you've never been, which I know you have because CFI helps
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set up at it. But there's free hayrides into the park that go from Salvation
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Army to the top of Fort Hill Park in downtown Frankfort.
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And then there's trick-or-treating and we've got spooky decor,
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free pumpkin painting, face painting.
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The city has helped us get some really amazing food trucks and alcohol vendors to set up there.
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So it's meant to really hit kind of the highlight of all of our amazing different
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offerings in Frankfurt, but in a unique location, right? So downtown's unique
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because it's beautiful. It's historical. It's special. It's wonderful.
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But Fort Hill is unique because it's one of those places in Frankfurt that so
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few people really know about. Like they may know it exists. They may know its
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name. But I encounter folks every year at that event who are like,
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I've never been up here before. I've lived in Frankfurt my whole life. I've never been here.
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And so it's a really cool way to bring folks into one of our most historically
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critical areas in town outside of directly downtown because Fort Hill was one
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of the first boundary lines in Frankfurt. It was one of the premier milk farming.
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I mean, it's like cows used to litter that hill. They would get the majority
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of milk in our community from there. But really importantly,
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there were two forts on top of that hill that helped...
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Attempt to defend frankfurt from the confederacy and obviously they weren't
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successful since the confederacy overtook our state capital but.
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And i think they're in there yeah they tried they tried they did a good job
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uh all things considered and you know the confederacy left so it all worked
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out yeah but all that to say it's a really special park so honeycomb hill is
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smack dab in the middle of those two amazing events so you can really go
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each weekend and have a full,
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frankfurt halloween extravaganza yeah and you know i think what's so cool is with frankfurt being,
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an october town well i mean one you know it's kentucky season just because of
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the weather we have it's gorgeous here and then you have you know the horse
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racing and bourbon but it it's something to do,
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with the historic ambiance of frankfurt is the perfect backdrop and so our downtown's
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historic fort Hill's historic
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and they all have stories you know they have a century old stories to be told
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and there's something about October and the spooky season,
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that it's just a perfect backdrop to have these events so anyways no I think that was actually,
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like genuinely the pitch perfect like way to put a pin in this except for I
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have the rapid fire questions for you okay are you ready yeah sure so these
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are just like go top of your head
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you don't have to explain it you don't have to answer okay you just,
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yes like what you got either or okay which is hat or vampire things which is
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hat chocolate or gummies chocolate.
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Apple cider or apple donuts apple cider strolling through the falling leaves
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or sitting by a fire ooh sitting by fire okay trick-or-treat or haunted house.
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Oh, that's hard. I like doing both. Trick or trick. No, I don't know.
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I don't know. It's too hard. Okay.
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Haunted house. Haunted house. That doesn't surprise me. Okay.
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Perfect. Yeah. Well, Susie, I really appreciate it once more.
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Timing for the events that you mentioned specifically, which is Night Out. October 9th.
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Thriller. October 24th. And October 9th from when to when?
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630 to 10. Okay. And then October 24th? 5 to 8. Both are free.
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Yes. Come on down. Costumes for both. Yeah. Yeah.
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You nailed it. Good times.
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Good times are going to happen. Heck yeah, they are. Awesome.
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Well, thank you so much, Susie. And you know, from everybody here at the City
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of Frankfurt podcast, I really appreciate that you joined us this week.
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Susie, thank you again. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
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I always love comments while I do these events so I can come on here and talk
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to my city friends. Oh, thanks, bud.