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- 0:03Speaker 1: The smell hit Darlene Ford before she reached the door,
- 0:07Speaker 1: chemical faintly sweet, rubbing alcohol and cedar seeping through the
- 0:13Speaker 1: gap at the base of the annex door. She had
- 0:16Speaker 1: only come to drop off folding tables. She almost turned back.
- 0:20Speaker 1: She did not turn back. What Darlene found inside that
- 0:24Speaker 1: annex on a Wednesday morning in early June of twenty
- 0:28Speaker 1: nineteen would unravel about a year and a half of careful,
- 0:32Speaker 1: methodical work, Not Darlene's work, but someone else's work, done
- 0:38Speaker 1: in a room that smelled like a pharmacy, work done
- 0:41Speaker 1: on a woman who had no idea it was being
- 0:43Speaker 1: done at all. This is the story of Carol Foster.
- 0:47Speaker 1: She was twenty six in spring of twenty seventeen and
- 0:51Speaker 1: twenty eight by the summer of twenty nineteen, Aldermore County, Tennessee.
- 0:56Speaker 1: And it is the story of how one person spent
- 0:59Speaker 1: approximately two years dismantling another person's sense of herself, her memory,
- 1:04Speaker 1: her money, her voice, and her capacity to trust what
- 1:08Speaker 1: her own mind was telling her. Carol did not disappear,
- 1:13Speaker 1: no crime scene tape stretched across a driveway. But what
- 1:16Speaker 1: happened to Carol Foster belongs in the same conversation as
- 1:20Speaker 1: any vanishing, because by the time anyone noticed that Carroll,
- 1:24Speaker 1: her mother had known, was already somewhere else, somewhere she
- 1:28Speaker 1: could not easily name or find her way back from.
- 1:31Speaker 1: There are two details from this case that resist easy explanation.
- 1:35Speaker 1: The first is a spiral bound notebook covered in two
- 1:39Speaker 1: very different kinds of handwriting. The second is a filing
- 1:43Speaker 1: cabinet with eleven folders inside it, spanning three years of Sundays.
- 1:47Speaker 1: Both of those details will matter, both will make more
- 1:51Speaker 1: sense than they should once the full picture comes into focus.
- 1:55Speaker 1: Carrol Foster grew up in Gable Creek, about forty minutes
- 1:58Speaker 1: outside Aldermore County, the kind of distance that feels short
- 2:02Speaker 1: on a map and longer on a Sunday afternoon. Her mother, Vera,
- 2:06Speaker 1: still lived there, still used a land line, and still
- 2:10Speaker 1: expected Carol's call every Wednesday evening. For years. That call
- 2:14Speaker 1: was the reliable architecture of Vera's weak Carroll's voice landing
- 2:19Speaker 1: at roughly the same time, full of the same small
- 2:22Speaker 1: details about choir rehearsal, a frustrating spreadsheet at work, whatever
- 2:27Speaker 1: was blooming in the window box she kept above her
- 2:30Speaker 1: kitchen sink, Carrol was methodical in the way that people
- 2:34Speaker 1: who manage other people's records tend to be. She worked
- 2:37Speaker 1: at the Aldermore County Assessor's Office, where precision was not optional.
- 2:42Speaker 1: She tracked property values, filing deadlines, discrepancy reports. She was
- 2:47Speaker 1: the person colleagues asked when something did not add up.
- 2:51Speaker 1: She was twenty six years old when she first walked
- 2:53Speaker 1: into the Cavalry Ridge Community Church fellowship picnic in the
- 2:57Speaker 1: spring of twenty seventeen, carrying a cover her dish and
- 3:01Speaker 1: knowing almost no one. She joined the choir. She made
- 3:05Speaker 1: friends slowly, the way careful people do. Connie Marsh Peggy Aldred,
- 3:10Speaker 1: women she saw every week at Bible study who would
- 3:13Speaker 1: later describe her as warm but private. She was not
- 3:17Speaker 1: the person who announced herself. She was the person who
- 3:20Speaker 1: showed up. By the fall of twenty seventeen, Carrol was
- 3:24Speaker 1: dealing with something she did not have an easy word for.
- 3:27Speaker 1: A minor car accident had left her rattled in ways
- 3:30Speaker 1: that lingered longer than the physical recovery. Sleep was uneven,
- 3:34Speaker 1: concentration came and went. The friend at Calvary Ridge suggested
- 3:40Speaker 1: she speak with Wain Roberts, a lay counselor the church
- 3:43Speaker 1: had been using for about three years. Wain was thirty nine,
- 3:47Speaker 1: soft spoken, and present in the particular way that people
- 3:50Speaker 1: with nowhere else to be can seem present. He had
- 3:54Speaker 1: two Biblical counseling certificates. He had no formal mental health licensure,
- 3:59Speaker 1: a detail no zh one at the church appears to
- 4:01Speaker 1: have emphasized, including Wayne. He volunteered doing maintenance around the property.
- 4:07Speaker 1: He knew the building well. Carol began counseling with Wayne
- 4:11Speaker 1: in November of twenty seventeen. She brought a journal because
- 4:15Speaker 1: Waine encouraged it. He said writing between sessions helped people
- 4:19Speaker 1: process what talk alone could not reach. The sessions took
- 4:22Speaker 1: place in the church annex, a small room the senior pastor,
- 4:27Speaker 1: Gerald Hines, had assigned to Wayne for his work. Carrol
- 4:31Speaker 1: would write during the week and bring the journal with
- 4:34Speaker 1: her to their appointments. The journals stopped coming home with her.
- 4:38Speaker 1: At the time, that did not register as anything except
- 4:41Speaker 1: perhaps absent mindedness, the kind of small lapse that a
- 4:45Speaker 1: person dealing with anxiety might wave off, the kind of
- 4:49Speaker 1: thing that feels embarrassing to bring up. But this detail matters,
- 4:53Speaker 1: and it will matter more precisely because of what that
- 4:56Speaker 1: journal contained. By the time anyone else read it, by
- 4:59Speaker 1: March of two thousand eighteen, the counseling relationship had shifted
- 5:03Speaker 1: into something Carol understood as romantic. She and Waine were
- 5:07Speaker 1: a couple quietly as far as her church circle knew.
- 5:12Speaker 1: Connie marsh and Peggy Aldred noticed that Wain sometimes walked
- 5:15Speaker 1: Carrol home after evening services. They noticed she had grown quieter,
- 5:20Speaker 1: a little thinner than she used to be, As Vera
- 5:22Speaker 1: would later put it, the kind of observation that people
- 5:26Speaker 1: make and then do not know what to do with.
- 5:30Speaker 1: Vera noticed something too. The Wednesday calls were getting shorter.
- 5:34Speaker 1: The voice on the other end was still Carol's voice technically,
- 5:38Speaker 1: but it had lost some quality Vera associated with her daughter,
- 5:42Speaker 1: a looseness, an ease, the willingness to complain about small things.
- 5:47Speaker 1: That quality was being replaced by something more careful, more managed.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Vera kept calling every Wednesday, Carol kept answering, and in
- 5:57Speaker 1: the background in the Cavalry Ridge Church annex, a filing
- 6:00Speaker 1: cabinet sat with its bottom drawer not quite closed. The
- 6:04Speaker 1: filing cabinet's bottom drawer was opened just enough that was
- 6:08Speaker 1: The first thing Darlen Ford noticed when she set the
- 6:11Speaker 1: folding tables down in the annex, that drawer not quite shut,
- 6:15Speaker 1: pulling the eye. The second thing she noticed was a smell, chemical,
- 6:19Speaker 1: faintly sweet, like rubbing alcohol cut with cedar, the kind
- 6:23Speaker 1: of smell that does not belong to a room used
- 6:27Speaker 1: for quiet conversations about grief and scripture. She crossed the
- 6:31Speaker 1: room and looked inside. What she found was a spiral
- 6:35Speaker 1: bound note book, and beneath it, fanned across the drawer,
- 6:38Speaker 1: like they had been arranged for review photo copied bank
- 6:42Speaker 1: statements in Carol Foster's name. Darlene did not yet know
- 6:46Speaker 1: whose name was on those statements, but she understood from
- 6:51Speaker 1: the way things were organized that someone had been keeping
- 6:54Speaker 1: something here that was not meant to be found. Deputy
- 6:58Speaker 1: Scott Venable arrived first, then Detective Donald Burns of the
- 7:02Speaker 1: older Moore County Criminal Investigations Unit. By the time Burns
- 7:06Speaker 1: had the drawer open and the notebook in an evidence bag,
- 7:09Speaker 1: he had already started asking a different kind of question,
- 7:12Speaker 1: not what happened here? But how long? The note book
- 7:16Speaker 1: told part of that story. Carroll's handwriting was neat looping,
- 7:20Speaker 1: the kind of script that takes its time. Her entries
- 7:23Speaker 1: described her sessions with Wain Roberts, her anxiety, her fears
- 7:28Speaker 1: a minor car accident. She was still processing the slow
- 7:32Speaker 1: steadying she thought the counseling was providing. It was a
- 7:36Speaker 1: private document written in trust, but there was a second
- 7:40Speaker 1: handwriting in those margins, cramped vertical, pressed hard into the paper.
- 7:46Speaker 1: Wain's annotations ran alongside Carroll's entries like a parallel document,
- 7:51Speaker 1: a set of working notes she had never been meant
- 7:53Speaker 1: to read. Two of them survived long enough to be
- 7:56Speaker 1: entered into the investigation record. The first read you use,
- 8:00Speaker 1: she defers to perceived authority, will not escalate. The second
- 8:04Speaker 1: the second primary attachment equals obstacle. Continue to reframe as enmeshment.
- 8:10Speaker 1: Those two lines will require a moment to sit with
- 8:13Speaker 1: because what they describe is not counseling. What they describe
- 8:17Speaker 1: is an ongoing assessment of Carol's psychological vulnerabilities. Written in
- 8:22Speaker 1: the margins of the journal she had been encouraged to
- 8:24Speaker 1: keep inside, sessions she believed were helping her heel. The
- 8:28Speaker 1: journal had been staying in the annex, Wayne had been
- 8:31Speaker 1: writing in it. Carrol had not known Burns pulled the
- 8:34Speaker 1: account records. Summer of twenty eighteen, Carrol had added Waine
- 8:39Speaker 1: as a joint holder on her checking account. The balance
- 8:42Speaker 1: at the time was approximately eleven thousand dollars. By spring
- 8:46Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, nine months later, it sat at roughly
- 8:50Speaker 1: six hundred. The withdrawals were small, sixty dollars here, one hundred,
- 8:55Speaker 1: twenty five there to twenty five on a Tuesday in October,
- 9:01Speaker 1: none large enough to trigger an automatic alert, all of
- 9:05Speaker 1: them together amounting to nearly everything she had. Wain's explanation
- 9:10Speaker 1: delivered to Carol during that period was consistent. She had
- 9:14Speaker 1: something he called financial dissociation, a condition, he told her
- 9:19Speaker 1: where anxiety about money made her own decisions unreliable. He
- 9:23Speaker 1: should manage the account for a season. It would help
- 9:27Speaker 1: her recover. Carroll handed over her debit card. She described
- 9:31Speaker 1: that moment later to Burns. She said she was the
- 9:34Speaker 1: one who said the words out loud, that it had
- 9:37Speaker 1: felt at the time like her idea. Burns interviewed Wain
- 9:41Speaker 1: Roberts on June nineteenth, two thousand nineteen. The session lasted
- 9:46Speaker 1: two hours and forty minutes. For most of it, Wain
- 9:50Speaker 1: was composed. He had answers he had frameworks. He spoke
- 9:54Speaker 1: about Carol's emotional frigility with the fluency of some one
- 9:58Speaker 1: who had been practicing that language for a long time.
- 10:01Speaker 1: He explained the account arrangement as pastoral care, a mutual decision,
- 10:06Speaker 1: something Carroll had wanted. He was helpful in the way
- 10:09Speaker 1: that people are helpful when they believe the room is
- 10:11Speaker 1: still on their side. Then Burns placed the note book
- 10:15Speaker 1: on the table. What investigators noted afterward was the change
- 10:19Speaker 1: not an outburst, not a denial, just a reorganization, the
- 10:24Speaker 1: kind of shift that moves across a face before the
- 10:27Speaker 1: person wearing it realizes the signal has already been sent.
- 10:31Speaker 1: Wain Roberts looked at his own handwriting in Carroll's journal,
- 10:35Speaker 1: and he asked for a lawyer. The interview ended there,
- 10:38Speaker 1: but the filing cabinet had not finished its work. When
- 10:41Speaker 1: Burns inventoried the annex fully, he found eleven folders in
- 10:45Speaker 1: that bottom drawer, all of them connected to women at
- 10:48Speaker 1: Calvary Ridge. The timeline on the folders spanned three years,
- 10:53Speaker 1: the approximate length of Wain's tenure as lay counselor at
- 10:56Speaker 1: the church. Most folders contained sparse notes three contained photocopied
- 11:02Speaker 1: financial documents. Two of those three cases were later confirmed
- 11:07Speaker 1: women who had briefly given Wayne some form of financial
- 11:10Speaker 1: access and later recovered it. Both attributed what had happened
- 11:15Speaker 1: to their own poor judgment. Neither filed a complaint nine
- 11:20Speaker 1: folders with no financial documents. Three with them two women
- 11:24Speaker 1: who had pulled themselves back before it went further, and Carroll,
- 11:28Speaker 1: whose account had reached six hundred dollars. The annex window
- 11:32Speaker 1: mattered too, though in a different way. During his volunteer
- 11:37Speaker 1: maintenance work at the church, Wayne had discovered that the
- 11:40Speaker 1: window could be opened from outside upward pressure, then a
- 11:44Speaker 1: slide to the left. He had never reported it. He
- 11:47Speaker 1: was the only person other than Pastor Gerald Hands who
- 11:51Speaker 1: had regular access to that room, and Hines had assigned
- 11:55Speaker 1: the annex to Wayne himself. There is something about the
- 11:59Speaker 1: window that is worth holding. It does not appear in
- 12:02Speaker 1: the financial charges, it is not part of the plea,
- 12:05Speaker 1: but it describes a man who, while repainting the trim
- 12:09Speaker 1: of a room he would use to meet with vulnerable people,
- 12:12Speaker 1: found a way in that no one else knew about
- 12:15Speaker 1: and said nothing. The initial shape of this case pointed
- 12:19Speaker 1: somewhere specific, a man in a position of pastoral authority,
- 12:23Speaker 1: a woman made vulnerable through manufactured dependency, a financial crime
- 12:28Speaker 1: documented with unusual precision. The evidence taken together suggested a
- 12:32Speaker 1: calculated but essentially local operation. One relationship, one account, one
- 12:39Speaker 1: church picture. The annex. On a Wednesday evening, Carol sitting
- 12:43Speaker 1: across from Wayne, journal open in her lap, she writes
- 12:47Speaker 1: something careful and true. He watches, and later he annotates.
- 12:52Speaker 1: She defers to perceived authority. That sentence was not written
- 12:56Speaker 1: to be analyzed by a detective. It was written to
- 12:59Speaker 1: be used again the next session, the one after that,
- 13:04Speaker 1: the one still ahead. That version of events is coherent
- 13:08Speaker 1: and damming. It is also incomplete because, three months after
- 13:13Speaker 1: Wayne Roberts pleaded guilty in July of two thousand nineteen,
- 13:17Speaker 1: a forensic investigator in Mercer County, working a case entirely
- 13:21Speaker 1: unrelated to aldermort submitted DNA from a licked envelope for processing.
- 13:27Speaker 1: The profile came back as a match to Wayne Robert's
- 13:30Speaker 1: booking swab. The envelope connected to a cold case. A
- 13:34Speaker 1: woman named Helen Crosby had reported approximately eight thousand dollars
- 13:38Speaker 1: stolen from her in twenty fourteen. The man who took
- 13:42Speaker 1: it had met her through a church grief support group.
- 13:45Speaker 1: He had spent six months building a relationship before the
- 13:49Speaker 1: money moved. The case had gone cold for years, no
- 13:53Speaker 1: viable match, no identified suspect. Wayne Roberts was in Mercer
- 13:57Speaker 1: County in twenty fourteen, so the filing case Babinet's three
- 14:00Speaker 1: year span was not the beginning. It was not even close.
- 14:04Speaker 1: What looked like a local pattern, one community one annex
- 14:09Speaker 1: one set of folders was a visible cross section of
- 14:12Speaker 1: something that had been running since at least twenty fourteen,
- 14:16Speaker 1: perhaps longer. Helen Crosby's grief group, Carol's anxiety sessions, the
- 14:23Speaker 1: language of care, deployed in sequence in different counties against
- 14:28Speaker 1: different women at their most exposed. The eleven folders in
- 14:32Speaker 1: that drawer suddenly read differently, not as the full record,
- 14:37Speaker 1: as the local archive of an ongoing practice. Carol Foster
- 14:41Speaker 1: cooperated with Detective Burns through the summer of two thousand nineteen.
- 14:46Speaker 1: She was twenty eight years old. She worked at the
- 14:50Speaker 1: County Assessor's office. She sang in the Cavalry Ridge Choir.
- 14:55Speaker 1: She had begun counseling in November of twenty seventeen, because
- 14:59Speaker 1: a minor accident had left her anxious and someone at
- 15:03Speaker 1: her church had seemed like he could help. None of
- 15:05Speaker 1: what happened to her was the result of her own weakness.
- 15:09Speaker 1: The margin notes make that plane wain Roberts did not
- 15:13Speaker 1: find a vulnerable person and take advantage of her. He
- 15:16Speaker 1: assessed her, annotated her, and engineered the conditions of her
- 15:20Speaker 1: dependence with enough consistency that he had developed a methodology, documented,
- 15:26Speaker 1: portable do, and already field tested before Carol Foster ever
- 15:31Speaker 1: walked into that annex. On July eighth, twenty nineteen, Wain
- 15:36Speaker 1: Roberts stood in an Aldermore County court room and entered
- 15:40Speaker 1: a guilty plea one count of theft over ten thousand dollars,
- 15:44Speaker 1: two counts of financial exploitation of a vulnerable person. The
- 15:48Speaker 1: sentence was four years. He would be eligible for supervised
- 15:52Speaker 1: release after two. Carol Foster had cooperated through every step
- 15:56Speaker 1: of the summer. She gave statements, answered questions sat across
- 16:01Speaker 1: from Detective Burns, and described in precise sequence how each
- 16:06Speaker 1: piece of her autonomy had been relocated, the debit card,
- 16:10Speaker 1: the account, the language she had begun to use without
- 16:14Speaker 1: realising it to explain her own situation back to the
- 16:17Speaker 1: people who loved her. She was the one who said
- 16:19Speaker 1: the words out loud. In her statement to Burns, she
- 16:23Speaker 1: identified the moment Wain had suggested the joint account as
- 16:27Speaker 1: the moment she had believed it was her own idea.
- 16:29Speaker 1: That sentence, quiet, careful factual is among the most precise
- 16:35Speaker 1: descriptions in the record of what the annotation in that
- 16:38Speaker 1: notebook was designed to produce. There was no formal mental
- 16:42Speaker 1: health licensure on weighing Robert's record. There never had been
- 16:47Speaker 1: two biblical counseling certificates, three years of volunteer access, and
- 16:52Speaker 1: a title given informally by a community that trusted him.
- 16:55Speaker 1: The annex had been his to use. No one had
- 16:58Speaker 1: checked what he kept there. Then, approximately three months after
- 17:03Speaker 1: the plea, a forensic investigator in Mercer County submitted DNA
- 17:07Speaker 1: from a licked document envelope connected to a separate, unrelated case.
- 17:13Speaker 1: The lab matched it to Waine Robert's booking swab from
- 17:16Speaker 1: Aldermore County. The case it unlocked had gone cold. Five
- 17:21Speaker 1: years earlier. Helen Crosby had reported approximately eight thousand dollars
- 17:25Speaker 1: stolen from her in two thousand fourteen. The man who
- 17:28Speaker 1: took it had spent six months inside her church grief
- 17:31Speaker 1: support group. He had been patient, consistent, present. By the
- 17:36Speaker 1: time the money moved, the relationship felt like care. Waine
- 17:41Speaker 1: Roberts was in Mercer County in two thousand fourteen. The
- 17:45Speaker 1: Cavalry Ridge filing cabinet had covered roughly three years. The
- 17:49Speaker 1: Mercer County match pushed the visible record back to at
- 17:53Speaker 1: least two thousand fourteen. The pattern did not begin when
- 17:56Speaker 1: Carol walked into that annex for her first session in
- 18:00Speaker 1: November of two thousand seventeen. The pattern was already seasoned
- 18:04Speaker 1: by then, the language already field tested, the annotations already refined.
- 18:09Speaker 1: As of the information available in this record, no charges
- 18:13Speaker 1: in the Mercer County matter have been filed. Helen Crosby's
- 18:16Speaker 1: case remains, in a legal sense, unresolved. Her name is
- 18:21Speaker 1: in a lab report, her loss is documented. The man
- 18:24Speaker 1: responsible is serving time for what he did to some
- 18:28Speaker 1: one else. The other women in that filing cabinet nine
- 18:32Speaker 1: folders with sparse notes. Two confirmed instances of brief financial
- 18:37Speaker 1: access that the women later attributed to their own poor
- 18:41Speaker 1: judgment and never reported, are not named. In any public record.
- 18:46Speaker 1: Some of them may not know a folder existed with
- 18:48Speaker 1: their name on it. What Wain Roberts built was not impulsive,
- 18:52Speaker 1: It was iterative. Each woman represented a version of the method, tested, adjusted,
- 19:00Speaker 1: carried forward. The annotations in Carroll's journal were not the
- 19:03Speaker 1: beginning of a system, They were its current draft. There
- 19:07Speaker 1: is something specific about the margin notes that resists easy
- 19:11Speaker 1: categorization as cruelty. The handwriting is clinical. The observations are accurate.
- 19:17Speaker 1: She defers to perceived authority, will not escalate. That is
- 19:21Speaker 1: a correct assessment of how Carol Foster responded under stress.
- 19:25Speaker 1: Waine Roberts saw her clearly. He saw her, and he
- 19:29Speaker 1: used what he saw. That is the part that remains
- 19:32Speaker 1: after the plea, after the sentence, after the DNA match
- 19:35Speaker 1: closes a five year old gap. Not the money. The
- 19:39Speaker 1: money was the mechanism. What he actually took was the
- 19:42Speaker 1: coherent internal voice Carol used to navigate her own life,
- 19:47Speaker 1: the version of herself that called her mother on Wednesdays
- 19:50Speaker 1: with full sentences, the version that trusted her own instincts
- 19:54Speaker 1: about people she met at church picnics. Vera Foster noticed
- 19:58Speaker 1: the calls changing before care Errold did she did not
- 20:01Speaker 1: have a name for it. She said only that the
- 20:04Speaker 1: calls had lost some quality she associated with her daughter.
- 20:08Speaker 1: That observation made from a land line in Gable Creek
- 20:11Speaker 1: without access to any note book or bank record may
- 20:14Speaker 1: be the most accurate damage assessment in this entire case.
- 20:19Speaker 1: Carol Foster was twenty eight years old. She worked in
- 20:23Speaker 1: the County Assessor's office. She sang in the choir at
- 20:26Speaker 1: Calvary Ridge. She had gone looking for help with anxiety
- 20:30Speaker 1: after a minor accident, and she had found someone who
- 20:33Speaker 1: appeared to be exactly what she needed. She was not
- 20:36Speaker 1: wrong to look. She was not wrong to trust. The
- 20:39Speaker 1: documents Wain Roberts left behind in that bottom drawer prove
- 20:43Speaker 1: in his own handwriting that the failure was entirely his.
- 20:48Speaker 1: She rebuilt what he took, not all at once, and
- 20:51Speaker 1: not without the work of understanding what had actually happened
- 20:55Speaker 1: to her. But she cooperated, she testified, and she is
- 21:00Speaker 1: still here, which, given the architecture of what was done
- 21:05Speaker 1: to her, is its own form of answer. That the
- 21:08Speaker 1: window in the annex still opens with upward pressure and
- 21:11Speaker 1: a slide to the left, whether it was ever repaired
- 21:15Speaker 1: is not part of the public record. It should be,
- 21:18Speaker 1: because what Wain Roberts understood before any one else did
- 21:22Speaker 1: was that access is everything. If you can move in
- 21:26Speaker 1: and out without any one noticing, you can take your time.
- 21:30Speaker 1: You can be careful, you can be kind. You can
- 21:33Speaker 1: leave no marks that read at first glance as anything
- 21:36Speaker 1: other than help. This show is made by Obo Media