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Silence Hits Harder Than Anything Screamed Errin Alissa Hits With What You Didnt Say · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: How you doing today?
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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right?
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Speaker 1: How are you doing very well? Erin listen to that
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Speaker 1: upbeat voice you've got.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's sweet. Oh do I pronounce it? Arrow?
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Speaker 1: You got it right? You know what you're doing. You
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Speaker 1: know exactly what you're doing. Man, It's that it's that
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Speaker 1: stage experience, you know that when you see a weird name,
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Speaker 1: it's like phonetically spell it. Dude, you got it? You
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Speaker 1: got it? Yeah, she lands it.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: The lyrics of this song, I mean, my god, when
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Speaker 1: when people get their hands on this and they start
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Speaker 1: hearing the words, you know, the part about you held
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Speaker 1: me when I cried and then and then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's what you didn't say. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think we've all been there, and I think that's going
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Speaker 1: to pull us into that even deeper and deeper. Where
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Speaker 1: did that even come from?
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Speaker 2: Well, it came from an experience.
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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of a lot of different things
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Speaker 3: molded into one.
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Speaker 2: You know, and thank you so much, I really, I
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Speaker 2: really appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: I Yeah, I had somebody who just I was very
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Speaker 3: very close to and was there for me during a
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Speaker 3: rough time and then.
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Speaker 2: Kind of kind of pulled away, kind of.
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Speaker 3: Disappeared a little bit, and so it was kind of
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Speaker 3: built just on that feeling, not not about him, but
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Speaker 3: kind of I've had that happen up many times in
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Speaker 3: my life, and so I just sort of pulled it
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Speaker 3: together from from that, like the feeling. I think that's
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Speaker 3: how a lot of my songs, like I take a
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Speaker 3: feeling that I have from something and then I'd build
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Speaker 3: a song around it.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, well are you like me? Then, Aaron in
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Speaker 1: the way that when you do kind of trip and
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Speaker 1: it's and before you face play, you sit there and say,
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Speaker 1: you know, this would make a great song, or though
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be got I mean it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: like I'm going through this for a reason. Pay attention.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Oh my god, I have to tell you
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Speaker 3: a story when this is like years ago and I
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Speaker 3: was I was in like I think I was with
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Speaker 3: the guy for three years, and he was he was
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Speaker 3: ending the relationship, and I literally, in the middle of
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Speaker 3: the breakup.
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Speaker 2: I said, oh, hold on, that's a really good lyric.
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Speaker 3: And I I just I like can separate myself sometimes.
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Speaker 2: And he did not enjoy that.
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Speaker 3: But I was like, I'm so sorry, but what you
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Speaker 3: said was just amazing.
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Speaker 2: I gotta write that down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you do in situations when his
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Speaker 1: silence is louder than him screaming? I mean, oh my god.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think, at least judging from I'm in
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Speaker 3: LA and I'm you know, dating and all that, it's
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Speaker 3: like that the ghosting, the silence is you so often
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Speaker 3: because people just can't own up to, you know, just
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Speaker 3: even saying hey, I'm not interested, or hey I don't
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Speaker 3: know what happened, I'm not you know, And so I
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Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people will be able to
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Speaker 3: relate to that, and even not in romantic life, you know,
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Speaker 3: like there's a lot of times where people just go
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Speaker 3: silent and you're left questioning, like, hey, what happened here?
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Speaker 2: Like I, you know, and so I hope it resonates
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Speaker 2: with people.
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Speaker 1: Well, you have to know that this song is gonna
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Speaker 1: hit TikTok and there's gonna be girls out there and
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Speaker 1: even guys that are gonna be sitting there and they're
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Speaker 1: gonna be lip syncing it because everybody's gonna pick out
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Speaker 1: their favorite struggle and it's in your song.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you, I thank you. I really appreciate
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Speaker 3: that I am not well versed with TikTok. I should
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Speaker 3: probably post it on.
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Speaker 1: There well, because it's just one of those things where
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like when you listen to it the
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Speaker 1: first time, you're going, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second,
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Speaker 1: then you listen to it again, then you listen to
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Speaker 1: it again, and all of a sudd and you're going,
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Speaker 1: how many times are we going to listen to this?
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Speaker 1: As many as I can sit here and tell, because
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Speaker 1: it's got that kind of attraction. Did it come to
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Speaker 1: you as easy as we're receiving it?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: I Originally it's interesting, I wrote the lyrics and I
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Speaker 3: you know, edited them a little bit, and then I
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Speaker 3: actually wrote like a sad version of the song. Originally
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Speaker 3: it came out as like more of a ballad, and
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Speaker 3: I liked that, but then I was sort of like,
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Speaker 3: let's try something different. And anger is not something that
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Speaker 3: I in the past have have tapped into very well,
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Speaker 3: like either in life or in my art, and I
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Speaker 3: was really trying to convey the the thing that I
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Speaker 3: that I hide more often. Does that make sense, Like,
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Speaker 3: it's very easy for me to be sad and upset
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Speaker 3: and that kind of a thing, but the anger is
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Speaker 3: very hard for me has been to express, and so
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Speaker 3: I was really trying to find a different angle for it,
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Speaker 3: you know than just another sad like, oh you hurt me.
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Speaker 3: It kind of sounds so yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wells As a writer, I call that hidden speak. I
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Speaker 1: will take actual moments and it's like you could have
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Speaker 1: the clap of thunder and somehow, some way, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to make it look like sunshine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But that's what's fun about being a writer is that
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Speaker 1: we all get this opportunity to where we can we
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Speaker 1: can turn it around. It's just up to the writers
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Speaker 1: to be able to do it. And then we got
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Speaker 1: to convince those that are tapping in to listen. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: So we got to talk about these guitars. Was it
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Speaker 1: part of the original song when you were doing the guitars,
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Speaker 1: because man, those guitars lead right up to those vocals,
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Speaker 1: and it's almost like a slow dance between the two
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Speaker 1: and the three, and all of a sudden, everybody starts
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Speaker 1: coming in on this and then boom, here comes those
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Speaker 1: vocals and then all of a sudden, we're joining in
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Speaker 1: as listeners.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's very cool. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So I produced this along with Janet Robin. Yeah, co
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Speaker 3: produce it with Janet Robin. She's amazing. She's an incredible
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Speaker 3: guitar player. She has a Grammy for her band, The
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Speaker 3: String Revolution.
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Speaker 1: I was just just with her two weeks ago. I was, oh,
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Speaker 1: my god, with you bringing that name up, I'm going
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Speaker 1: are you? Are we on the same Janet Robin?
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Speaker 2: Here? My god.
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Speaker 3: Yes, she's awesome and we I had known her years
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Speaker 3: ago because I took some guitar lessons from her, and
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Speaker 3: then we stayed in touch, but we weren't like doing
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Speaker 3: anything together. And then this year, I at the end
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Speaker 3: of last year, I reached back out and we started,
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Speaker 3: you know, working together, and it's we're doing all of
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Speaker 3: my songs together now because we just work so well together,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, so her. You know, I in my mind,
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Speaker 3: I was very I really wanted this song to be
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Speaker 3: like an ode to the nineties, you know, a little
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Speaker 3: like a little Radiohead meets like Avril Levine meets like
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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, I really was feeling that
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Speaker 3: kind of like garage rock from the nineties, and so
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Speaker 3: we crafted those guitar parts to really kind of give
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Speaker 3: that feel. And the I love her and she she
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Speaker 3: played all the guitar parts, her, the electric guitar that
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Speaker 3: has like its own part in it, like I did.
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Speaker 3: We did that on purpose because I was like, I
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Speaker 3: wanted to almost feel like it has its own like
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Speaker 3: distinctive melody kind of woven throughout the song, kind of
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Speaker 3: like a Radiohead kind of thing or or you know so.
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Speaker 1: Well, to me, it gives you room to load up
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Speaker 1: with more lyrics. And while while while Janet is sitting
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Speaker 1: there and she's playing that with that lead, all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it takes me very comfortably over here, and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden we come back, because Janet
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Speaker 1: has mastered that art of capturing the attention of a
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Speaker 1: listener without using words. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: here you come back in Aaron and it's like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, oh oh, here we go then, and you
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Speaker 1: totally set me up on this awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So now here's the thing that I find so inspiring.
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Speaker 1: And I laugh a child's laugh inside. Chryl Crow, Stevie Nicks,
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Speaker 1: and Alanis Moore said, are your inspirations? I was a
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Speaker 1: jock on the radio when every one of those came
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Speaker 1: in as debut performers. So today is a full circle moment.
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Speaker 1: You're just part of the journey. I mean, it's like
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Speaker 1: every one of these people, I know exactly where I
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Speaker 1: was when I heard them and played them the very
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Speaker 1: first time.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's so cool. Oh yeah, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: And it just opens up the door for you to
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Speaker 1: step right inside. Like you're saying, and when you called
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Speaker 1: it that the garage band nineties, I mean, I'm going,
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Speaker 1: of course it is. You totally have mastered that art.
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Speaker 2: Yeah awesome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not all my all my songs are are particularly
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Speaker 3: in that genre, but this one certainly was, and you know,
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Speaker 3: we wanted to really really run with that.
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Speaker 1: So so then how do you take it to a
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Speaker 1: live stage, Because I mean, first of all, I love
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Speaker 1: being in a studio because in a studio I can
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Speaker 1: be the perfectionist that I am. When you're live, you
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Speaker 1: get one shot man.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I well so I My my career is
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Speaker 4: I do about like one hundred and eighty to two
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Speaker 4: hundred gigs a year.
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Speaker 2: I've been doing it for about.
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Speaker 3: Six six years, but like more more like cover shows.
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Speaker 3: I perform at like wineries, restaurants, events, that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: So I am you know if you know, I do
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Speaker 3: that all the time, but I haven't done like a
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Speaker 3: full band show yet with with this song or what
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Speaker 3: I'm what I'm planning on doing is I have like
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Speaker 3: pretty much a whole not pretty much a whole album
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Speaker 3: that we're working on, and once I get them done,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put together some probably a band, a few
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Speaker 3: and a few guys girls and do like a full
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Speaker 3: band show as an artist that way, I do perform
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Speaker 3: this at like my gigs, but it's not the same
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Speaker 3: when it's just you know me on acoustic.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're spot on to where the vibe is because
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Speaker 1: we have two grocery store chains here in Charlotte, and
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Speaker 1: they both have live music on Thursday nights, and it
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Speaker 1: is somebody in there with their acoustic guitar. We've got
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Speaker 1: a couple of people that come in as a duo,
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Speaker 1: but they're coming in and they're performing. And then this
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Speaker 1: is what I love about it. They're going to Nashville
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Speaker 1: to join the songwriting groups and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: wait a second, you performed at the freaking grocery store
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Speaker 1: and now you're in Nashville.
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean things can shift so quickly. I
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Speaker 3: have family in Charlotte, by the way, you do my
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Speaker 3: dad's side.
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Speaker 1: What part of Charlotte you know?
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Speaker 2: I don't actually even know. But my last name is Selkis.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. They're all selkiss.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Aaron Alyssa coming
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Speaker 1: up next. Aaron Alissa singer songwriter. She spells her name
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Speaker 1: E r I in in last name A l I
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Speaker 1: s s A. We are back. What was it like
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Speaker 1: for you to go from Albany to Santa Monica, because
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Speaker 1: I've been to Santa Monica. Once you're there, it's a
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Speaker 1: new form of freedom out there in that ocean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I like where I grew up.
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Speaker 3: I think it was great for growing up, you know,
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Speaker 3: But I was not a fan of winter.
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Speaker 2: Am not a fan of winter.
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Speaker 3: And really, you know, I went to college in Buffalo,
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Speaker 3: which was even worse with snow, and I moved to
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Speaker 3: New York City right after college because I was a
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Speaker 3: musical theater major.
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Speaker 2: I used to do musical theater.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to be on Broadway, but I just didn't
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Speaker 3: like the energy of the city.
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Speaker 2: It was like too much. It was just too much.
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Speaker 3: And I'd always loved California, and so I moved out
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Speaker 3: here shortly thereafter. And having left, yeah, really, I mean
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Speaker 3: there are pluses and minuses of course about La but
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Speaker 3: you can't beat the weather.
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Speaker 2: It's just so nice.
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Speaker 1: Well, plus you've got hand and out burgers. Man, I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, now, nobody else in the nation's got that
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Speaker 1: unless you're gonna bring one back with you to New
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Speaker 1: York or here to Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Right, true, true, we do.
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Speaker 1: So now being out there in the Santa Monica area,
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Speaker 1: is that through? Is that your connection to the sun
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Speaker 1: drenched music? And by the way, I love that term
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Speaker 1: that you call that because it explains one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: of what it is because for the longest time, well
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Speaker 1: it was ska. Oh well they know it's the California beat.
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Speaker 1: But I love the idea that you're calling it sun
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Speaker 1: drenched music.
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Speaker 2: I thank you. I can't take credit for that.
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Speaker 3: The PR company I worked with for the release of
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Speaker 3: my last song created that line, so I will give
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Speaker 3: them credit for that. But it does like sum it
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Speaker 3: up very well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I actually I lived in the Palisades for almost fifteen
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Speaker 3: years and lost my home and the fire last year,
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Speaker 3: and that I released a song in March called Jacaranda
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Speaker 3: Trees about that. So I settled into Santa Monica about
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Speaker 3: a year and a half ago after that. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I do like the sound of that.
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Speaker 2: It sounds very Isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Weird how creative people are put in situations such as
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Speaker 1: that and then we come out the other side and
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Speaker 1: we A we put a song together or b we
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Speaker 1: become ambassadors of I know you're having a tough time,
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Speaker 1: but you know what, I know for a fact that
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Speaker 1: you can get out of that because you know how
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Speaker 1: listeners are and followers, they bring their luggage and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot there. But yeah, you being the artist, you
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Speaker 1: get to make a positive connection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: It kind of goes back to what we were talking
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Speaker 3: about right at the beginning. Where it's like, even if
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Speaker 3: something you know is really challenging, hard, awful, that's happening.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's like it's.
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Speaker 3: There's there's also beauty in it, and there's a way
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Speaker 3: to turn it into a piece of art.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I find that very comforting, and I don't always think
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Speaker 3: of it exactly when I'm in the middle of it.
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Speaker 3: Like when I went through that experience, everyone kept saying like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, You're gonna get so so many songs
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Speaker 3: out of this, And I was like, am I what
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Speaker 3: if I don't, I might not this maybe just sucked,
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Speaker 3: you know. So I think sometimes we go too quickly
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Speaker 3: to like, okay, let's you know, make this.
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Speaker 2: But but you know, they were right.
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Speaker 3: I did get a lot of songs out of it,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, it's kind of like allowing that
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Speaker 3: process to happen too.
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Speaker 1: How are you keeping your voice so pure because you're
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Speaker 1: perfectly in tune? I mean, was it Did you do
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Speaker 1: vocal exercising before you came in? I mean, because I
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Speaker 1: mean you are spot on in tune right now?
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Speaker 2: Thank you?
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Speaker 3: Well. I have, I mean, I've been I've been taking
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Speaker 3: I was trained classically, I have.
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Speaker 2: I used to do musical theater.
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Speaker 3: So I I've been taking voice lessons since I was
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Speaker 3: like seven, So yeah, I I you know, the pitch thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm you know, there's sometimes where I'm not perfect, But
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Speaker 3: my mom used to be very very on like if
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Speaker 3: anything was like even.
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Speaker 2: Slightly off key, even sitting in the shower, my mom
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Speaker 2: would be like, that's off key. And so I've been
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Speaker 2: vic click. That's a very big thing for me to
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Speaker 2: hold in on the pitch. But yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, but that once again, that's all part of the
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Speaker 1: music process. And once you start to identify what your
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Speaker 1: ear is, you know, picking up on I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can be live anywhere your ear picks up and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you instantly correct it. You don't
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Speaker 1: get a frown on your face. You just keep moving forward.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yep. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So what was the studio life like? Because the last
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Speaker 1: time I was in the studio for some fricking reason,
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Speaker 1: I was that guy that couldn't hear the click track
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Speaker 1: and my wife had to come into the room and
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Speaker 1: tap me on the shoulder as that click track was going.
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Speaker 1: Did you have oh my god, it was such my
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Speaker 1: spinal tap moment. What about you?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you can just raise that, you can
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Speaker 3: ask to have that click track raised.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why Jim didn't do it. I think
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Speaker 1: he was turning it into a dang joke, is what
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Speaker 1: I did.
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Speaker 2: Honey. I think so.
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Speaker 3: But that's really sweet that your wife was there as
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Speaker 3: your click track.
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Speaker 2: I wish that's very sweet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, honestly, these vocals I
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Speaker 3: recorded at home by myself. Nice and you know, so
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Speaker 3: I can put that click track as high as I want.
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Speaker 3: And but I did record releasing three more that we
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Speaker 3: recorded at the Village Studios with a group of musicians,
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Speaker 3: and I recorded some vocals there for these other songs.
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Speaker 2: And that was.
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Speaker 3: Really nice because you know, I got to just actually
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Speaker 3: be the artist and not the engineer for a second.
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Speaker 2: So that was really nice.
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Speaker 1: Now, now, did you do like what I did, and
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Speaker 1: you had to hire each each instrument all individually. It
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Speaker 1: became it became a la carte and in the way
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Speaker 1: that it's like okay, Jim would say, okay, I need
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Speaker 1: a drummer. Okay, now today we're gonna put focus on
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Speaker 1: the bass guitars. I've got one for you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's they always had someone for me, but it was like, Wow,
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Speaker 1: I don't have a relationship with these guys. What was
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Speaker 1: your experience like by bringing those other musicians in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Janet had relationships with She has a relationship
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Speaker 3: with a lot of musicians, and so far, I think
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Speaker 3: we've we're on the fourth or fifth song we're working
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Speaker 3: on together, and so I've created relationships with a few people,
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Speaker 3: like this bass player Jen who's really awesome, and then
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Speaker 3: different drummers.
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Speaker 2: But this one, what you.
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Speaker 3: Didn't say, was created kind of like you're talking about
17:43
Speaker 3: with Jim, where you know, somebody at home did the drums,
17:48
Speaker 3: sent them to us, and then we played with them,
17:51
Speaker 3: and then same with the bass. The a few more
17:54
Speaker 3: songs that are coming out soon. We actually went to
17:57
Speaker 3: the village with the whole band and recorded live together,
18:00
Speaker 3: which was really a fun experience. But I think the
18:04
Speaker 3: the vibe is sometimes just different when you do that.
18:07
Speaker 1: You know, So, are you going to take this to
18:09
Speaker 1: Hallmark and get a get a Hallmark movie out of this?
18:11
Speaker 1: Because come on, seriously, look at those lyrics and tell
18:14
Speaker 1: me that you don't have a Hallmark movie sitting right
18:16
Speaker 1: there in front of you.
18:18
Speaker 2: I hope.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, one of my main goals with my
18:22
Speaker 3: music and career is to start getting some synks, you know,
18:25
Speaker 3: and license you know that that would be amazing, So
18:30
Speaker 3: I sure hope.
18:30
Speaker 1: So where can people go to find out more about
18:35
Speaker 1: what you're doing, because, like you said, you're working on
18:36
Speaker 1: your fourth song right now, so that means that there's
18:38
Speaker 1: a library or catalog there. People need to follow you,
18:41
Speaker 1: get you on their Spotify list and let's grow forward.
18:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much.
18:47
Speaker 3: So I'm Aaron Alyssa, So it's E R I N
18:50
Speaker 3: N and then A L I S s A. That's
18:52
Speaker 3: my artist name, and that's my name on every platform,
18:57
Speaker 3: so you can.
18:58
Speaker 2: Follow me there. I wanted to ask you what kind
19:01
Speaker 2: of music that you do usually?
19:04
Speaker 3: Do you have this particular genre are you?
19:06
Speaker 2: Well?
19:06
Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting being a radio guy. I
19:09
Speaker 1: taught myself way back in nineteen seventy nine when I
19:12
Speaker 1: got in the business, and I told myself, you have
19:15
Speaker 1: to like it all because tomorrow may not be a
19:17
Speaker 1: job and then and then all of a sudden, you've
19:19
Speaker 1: got to take it could be country music, it could
19:21
Speaker 1: be Top forty. So I made sure that i've and
19:23
Speaker 1: being a mobile DJ, I've got to like all forms
19:26
Speaker 1: of music myself. So I love it all. I study
19:29
Speaker 1: it all because And the thing about it is, though,
19:31
Speaker 1: is that when you break it all down, it can
19:33
Speaker 1: be the most unbelievable. You know, koombe a song, or
19:37
Speaker 1: it could be met Ingay from Central America, and all
19:40
Speaker 1: of a sudden you americanize it and you're going, that's
19:42
Speaker 1: the same song, Oh my god, And all of a
19:45
Speaker 1: sudden you realize that music is so universal, and that's
19:49
Speaker 1: what I'm chasing. I want to make the universal connection
19:53
Speaker 1: to every single song that I put into these ears.
19:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that, But.
19:59
Speaker 1: It's a game. The game, just like writing songs for
20:01
Speaker 1: you has got to be a game.
20:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. And some days I win it.
20:07
Speaker 1: Some days I know, well that's a John Denver song
20:10
Speaker 1: for you right there. Some days are diamond and some
20:12
Speaker 1: days are gold right there. Man, totally wow. Well, if
20:18
Speaker 1: you find yourself ever out on the road, you got
20:20
Speaker 1: to come to the Carolinas, if anything, just to play
20:22
Speaker 1: at one of these grocery stores just so we can
20:24
Speaker 1: get you. And really, because it's just amazing how music
20:28
Speaker 1: is starting to really open up again, and it's just
20:30
Speaker 1: and people want it, they have to have it, and
20:33
Speaker 1: they know that there's peace within it.
20:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and the lives.
20:37
Speaker 3: You know, AI can't take over live music, so I
20:41
Speaker 3: think the realness, the lot, you know, all of that
20:46
Speaker 3: is what people are really craving right now.
20:49
Speaker 1: Wow, well, please come back anytime. The door is always
20:53
Speaker 1: going to be open for you.
20:54
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was so lovely talking with you.
20:57
Speaker 1: Thinks you'd be brilliant