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Steve Price | 6 June · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: This is Steve Bryce. We're going to Fridays and as
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Speaker 1: we say it every week, but Friday seemed to be
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Speaker 1: when the world loses its mind and all hell breaks loose,
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Speaker 1: and we'll be across all of that tonight. Now coming up,
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Speaker 1: what's in the water down in Tasmani. You're a tiny parliament,
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Speaker 1: a great state seen by US Mainlanders as a tourism gem,
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Speaker 1: ruled by a minority government that's just been blown up
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Speaker 1: by the state Labor Party. They've ruled out governing with
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Speaker 1: the Greens Labor, but who knows where that will all go?
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Speaker 1: Tasmania Senator Richard Coolbeck will update it some what's happening
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Speaker 1: in Tazzy and talking about blowing things up, the bromance
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Speaker 1: of all time between Donald Trump and Elon Musk has
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Speaker 1: not just blown up, it's evaporated, with Musk turning on
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Speaker 1: his president and Trump hitting back a story. I am
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Speaker 1: sure the famous New York Post is loving their White
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Speaker 1: House correspondent Diana Globova has all the latest. She'll join
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Speaker 1: us shortly and back home. Victoria has sent its inexperienced
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Speaker 1: new treasurer off to New York to talk to the
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Speaker 1: ratings agencies. Including Moody's out of downgrading Victoria's credit rating,
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Speaker 1: which would savage further the crippling interest rate payments that
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Speaker 1: sit at around a million dollars an hour right now.
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Speaker 1: Opposition Treasury spokesman James Newbury is up next as my
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Speaker 1: first guest. But before we get to James, first sings.
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Speaker 1: Listening to the new liberal leader, the federal Liberal leader,
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee on a radio interview this morning, I heard
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Speaker 1: someone who wants to believe in what she called liberal values,
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Speaker 1: A woman who in her private life has achieved many
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Speaker 1: extraordinary things, not the least raising a family while studying
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Speaker 1: at university, gaining of all things, a pilot's license and
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Speaker 1: working as a commercial pilot. And someone who, unlike many politicians,
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Speaker 1: seems to have lived a real life as opposed to
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Speaker 1: the what it seems like to me the lawyer turned
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Speaker 1: into political staff and then advisor and getting a seat
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Speaker 1: type politician. Now I mentioned Victoria's treasurer Jacqueline Signs, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's her CV. She was a lawyer and advisor and
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Speaker 1: she's now a minister. And I suspect my first guest,
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Speaker 1: James Newberry, might disagree with my assessment of the current
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Speaker 1: political class and their career paths. But at least James.
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Speaker 1: At least James as an advisor in a role he
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Speaker 1: worked in for a couple of senior Liberals. They're ones
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Speaker 1: I admire greatly in Tony Abbat and Joe Hockey. But
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Speaker 1: back to Susan Lee's interview on three UW this morning. Now,
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Speaker 1: I defy anyone who heard that to talk to them,
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Speaker 1: think to themselves, g that's the sort of leader the
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Speaker 1: Liberals need. That's the sort of future prime minister I want,
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Speaker 1: and inspiring character that's going to do the impossible and
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Speaker 1: turn voters back to voting Liberal in big numbers. Now,
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee deserves a chance. She's not even sat in
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Speaker 1: the Parliament yet as opposition leader, and I'll give her
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Speaker 1: that opportunity. But when you look around this great country,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to be a political nerd to realize
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Speaker 1: how much trouble the actual liberal brand is in. As
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Speaker 1: I said, we'll talk to Tasmania later, but in all
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Speaker 1: likelihood the Liberals will lose the treasury benches in that state,
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Speaker 1: and that will leave only one or two governments, two
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Speaker 1: governments of a conservative bent out of the six states,
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Speaker 1: and the two territories now Queenslands David CHRISP Fooley. He
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Speaker 1: is going to be the only state premier with the
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Speaker 1: word liberal in his title. The Northern territory is governed
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Speaker 1: by the promising country Liberal Lea for Noochiaro, but the
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Speaker 1: rest of them are labor including of course the federal government.
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Speaker 1: Now quite likely Anthony Albanezi or maybe Jim Chalmers will
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Speaker 1: run this country for at least the next six years.
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Speaker 1: As depressing as that might seem, this is exactly the
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Speaker 1: reason why the Liberals need to find an outstandingly strong
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Speaker 1: figure to lead the coalition. And what I heard this
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Speaker 1: morning not just the personality but the policy. The Libs
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Speaker 1: cannot afford at all to be labor light. Look what
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Speaker 1: happened when that happened during the last election. But there
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Speaker 1: was Susan Lee talking about supporting net zero, a policy
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Speaker 1: of course signed up by the Libs in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one by Scott Morrison. Is Susan Lee today.
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Speaker 2: Our policy will be underpinned by two goals tom reducing
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Speaker 2: emissions and playing our part in the global effort, and
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Speaker 2: delivering a stable energy grid which provides affordable, reliable power
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Speaker 2: for households. And businesses, and those two things go hand
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Speaker 2: in hand, Susan.
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Speaker 1: Lee this morning. Now, the Collision's energy policy, in my view,
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Speaker 1: should be simple. They should say we will keep the
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Speaker 1: lights on and industry humming by using every piece of
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Speaker 1: energy advantage Australia has, including coal, gas, wind, sun water
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Speaker 1: and uranium. I'm not hearing that, and I suspect that
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Speaker 1: if a Liberal leader said that, the party would implode
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Speaker 1: with factions fighting each other. But they're not governing for
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Speaker 1: the next six years at least, there's plenty of time
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Speaker 1: to have this argument. I mean, then you have, in
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Speaker 1: no particular order, policies on immigration, taxation, government spending, size
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Speaker 1: of the public service, politicians perch the flag. I could
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Speaker 1: go on and on. The next leader is the next
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Speaker 1: leader even in the Parliament. Maybe not. Can the Liberals
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Speaker 1: survive doing what they're doing now? Maybe not, But making
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Speaker 1: the same mistakes that they made on the third of
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Speaker 1: May by being labor light delivers the result they now have.
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Speaker 1: A strong leader should not and would not put up
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Speaker 1: with that. As I mentioned, Victorian Treasurer Jacquelin Sime's, a
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Speaker 1: lawyer turned advisor, flew to New York on Wednesday. She's
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Speaker 1: there to defend Victoria's double A credit rating with the agencies,
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Speaker 1: amid warnings that it could be downgraded further. That would
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Speaker 1: be a disaster. Victoria's debt is on track to reach
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Speaker 1: a record one hundred and ninety four billion dollars by
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine. Despite this, it's been revealed that the
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Speaker 1: Victorian treasury officials you will not believe this, in a
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Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiry during the week, had not even conducted any
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Speaker 1: modeling none on what another downgrade by those agencies would
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Speaker 1: mean for the state. That's not just insane, it's irresponsible.
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Speaker 1: I mean joining me now is Victoria's Shadow Treasurer James Newbury.
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Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you, James. I hope you
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Speaker 1: don't mind me querying the lawyer path into politics, but
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Speaker 1: it does annoy me well.
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Speaker 3: I also worked in the financial services industry for a
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Speaker 3: number of years before being elected, so don't count me
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Speaker 3: out because I am an admitted lawyer. But I've also
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Speaker 3: worked in the financial services industry for several years.
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Speaker 1: And you did work for two giants of the Liberal
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Speaker 1: Party in Tony Abbott and my mate Joe Hockey. I
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Speaker 1: mean you are very experienced. If you worked in the
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Speaker 1: office with those two.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm the only Liberal who's run a parliament
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Speaker 3: federally and at a state level for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that gives me credit points
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Speaker 3: or makes me a big parliamentary.
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Speaker 1: Nerd Well, it gives you more of a reason to
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Speaker 1: be in front of the ratings agencies in New York
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Speaker 1: than Jacqueline Simes. Could you believe that parliamentary inquiry during
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Speaker 1: the week where the Treasury person in that room, when
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Speaker 1: asked what modeling they've done if the credit rating is downgraded,
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Speaker 1: James said, We've done none.
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Speaker 3: Do you know what it tells me? It tells me
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Speaker 3: they didn't want to know. I don't think it was
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Speaker 3: by accident. I think they didn't want to know because
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Speaker 3: they're predicting a phony surplus of six hundred million, and
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Speaker 3: if they do, if they get a downgrade, it's going
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Speaker 3: to cost us another three hundred million in interest payments.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think they want it modeled. I don't
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Speaker 3: think they want to tell the public what that downgrade
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Speaker 3: will cost. And I think the treasure is off to
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Speaker 3: New York on our dime to beg not to be downgraded.
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Speaker 1: What's your reading with your economic background of what the
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Speaker 1: agencies might or might not do. I mean we're at
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Speaker 1: double A now, is any other there'd be no other
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Speaker 1: state in Australia on a lower rating than that would then.
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Speaker 3: I think, on and every single measure, we're doing the worst.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you were talking about Tasmania before, and I
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Speaker 3: heard them this week saying, you know, the government's on
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Speaker 3: a seven billion dollar debt. Well ours is nearly two
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Speaker 3: hundred billion. And South Australia's had a debate this week
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Speaker 3: about a fifty billion dollar debt. And I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: that debt is good at that level at all. What
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Speaker 3: I'm saying is Victoria's the basket case. I mean, it
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Speaker 3: is absolutely the basket case. You know, if you were
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Speaker 3: a credit rating agencies, wouldn't you be looking at this
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Speaker 3: state and saying, gee, where do I start with a
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Speaker 3: red pen? You know, debt's bad, spending's bad, size of
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Speaker 3: government's bad. Interest rates are costing US one point two
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Speaker 3: million dollars an hour on that debt an hour, So
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Speaker 3: in your show, we're all paying one point two million
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Speaker 3: in Victoria in interest. It's almost I mean it's just outrageous.
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Speaker 1: Well it's almost hard to believe. You man, explain for
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Speaker 1: our national audience, are any of the mega infrastructure projects
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Speaker 1: in Victoria on time or on budget? Sorry?
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Speaker 3: Something on time and on budget? I don't think I've
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Speaker 3: seen something on time and on budget in a decade.
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Speaker 3: We are currently fifty billion dollars over in blowouts on
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Speaker 3: infrastructure projects, so the entire state debt of South Australia
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Speaker 3: just in blowouts on infrastructure projects. This government has made
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Speaker 3: a practice of never delivering something on time and on budget.
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Speaker 3: They never will. But the scary thing is we have
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Speaker 3: this giant, ticking debt bomb now. Because of it, and
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Speaker 3: the interest payments in a couple of years time will
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Speaker 3: mean that ten percent of our state budget will be
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Speaker 3: going just to interest. So instead of doing things we need,
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Speaker 3: some of the decisions that a normal government could make
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Speaker 3: won't be able to be made because ten percent of
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Speaker 3: the budget's going to be spent on interest.
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Speaker 1: Eighteen months or so to an election. I wonder if
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Speaker 1: you've thought about this, can you see that? Look, you've
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Speaker 1: got Canberra and a labor government with a massive majority.
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Speaker 1: You reckon that they might be thinking about bailing Victoria
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Speaker 1: out between now and November later in next year.
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Speaker 3: Well, they did so in the recent GST payment agreement
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Speaker 3: for next year, Victoria is getting three point seven billion
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Speaker 3: dollars more. Now, the federal government didn't call it a bailout,
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Speaker 3: but it is a bailout. So what's happened is Victoria's
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Speaker 3: taxed people so much and spent so much that they
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Speaker 3: can't afford to operate anymore. So we're now taking some
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Speaker 3: of the money for your national viewers from your pockets.
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Speaker 3: Our government is taking some of the taxes that your
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Speaker 3: governments are charging you and bringing it into Victoria. Because
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Speaker 3: this government's so completely hopeless, So that GST extra payment
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Speaker 3: is actually money from other state residents through tax. It's
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Speaker 3: so wrong and it basically means we've become a welfare state.
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Speaker 1: James, just briefly before you go, reports in the Herald
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Speaker 1: Sun today suggesting former leader John Pursudo from the LIBS
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Speaker 1: close to negotiating alone, maybe for over a million dollars
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Speaker 1: to pay more Deemings legal fees. Is that what you're hearing.
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Speaker 3: Look, we just want to make sure this issue is resolved.
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Speaker 3: We want to get resolved as quickly as possible, and
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Speaker 3: hopefully it will be because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: we've got to be focusing on this government. I'm working
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Speaker 3: seven days a week to hold the government to account.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what they're doing to us in this state
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Speaker 3: is just outrageous. It's national bad, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we are frankly a joke by comparison on the economics
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Speaker 3: to every other state. I mean, we're taking money from
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Speaker 3: other residents of other states. So as soon as that
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Speaker 3: issues resolved, that'll be great. But every day of the week,
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Speaker 3: I'm focusing on holding the government to account.
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Speaker 1: Just one thing I can't resist asking you about this.
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Speaker 1: The latest budget papers show that the Victorian Labor government
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Speaker 1: is going to spend eighty one million dollars in the
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Speaker 1: current budget on economic and policy advice. I note that
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Speaker 1: one of the bank economists officers to do it for nothing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what the hell is the public service being
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Speaker 1: paid for? If we're spending eighty one million dollars on
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Speaker 1: advisors from outside the public service.
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Speaker 3: Well, that basically means the government's hiring an executive on
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Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty grand a day by equivalent. If
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Speaker 3: you break it down now, what it also tells you
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Speaker 3: is for eighty one million. I don't think we're getting
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Speaker 3: very good advice, because the government doesn't seem to be
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Speaker 3: getting any better, does it. So what's this eighty one
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Speaker 3: million dollars going towards?
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Speaker 1: Oh god, you just made my Friday. Thank you. James
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Speaker 1: Catchier again and James Newberry there talking sense in the
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Speaker 1: in regard to Victoria's finances. It is just breathtaking. I've
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Speaker 1: got to say, Well, let's go across now to the
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Speaker 1: United States. The big story during the day has been
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Speaker 1: Trump and Mask, where an almighty feud has quickly escalated
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Speaker 1: between that pair, the Tesla CEO and the President. President
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Speaker 1: Trump addressed mister Musk's opposition to his so called, in quotes,
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Speaker 1: big Beautiful Bill during a White House press conference on
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Speaker 1: Thursday local time. Here's the president. He knew every aspect
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Speaker 1: of this bill.
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Speaker 4: He knew it better than almost anybody, and he never
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Speaker 4: had a problem until right after he left. And if
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Speaker 4: you saw the statements he made about me, which I'm
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Speaker 4: sure you can get very easily, it's very fresh on tape.
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Speaker 5: He said the most beautiful things about.
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Speaker 4: Me, and he hasn't said bad about me personally, but
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Speaker 4: I'm sure that'll be next. But I'm very disappointed in
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Speaker 4: Elin I've helped Elarn a lot.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump trying to play it down. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how long that's going to last. The President later posted
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Speaker 1: on truth Social accusing mister Muskov quote going crazy after
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Speaker 1: he was asked to leave the White House. Mister Musk
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Speaker 1: then hit back by claiming that Donald Trump is in
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Speaker 1: the Epstein files and also back cause for the President
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Speaker 1: to actually be in peach joining me. Now is the
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Speaker 1: New York Post White House correspondent Deanna Gilbova. Now the
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Speaker 1: bromance it has fallen apart spectacularly, hasn't it.
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Speaker 6: It really has. I mean, it just happened so quickly today,
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Speaker 6: and it was brewing for the past couple of days,
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Speaker 6: but it really exploited today. It was crazy.
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Speaker 1: What do you think at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: What was it that made Elon Musk storm out? And
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Speaker 1: why is he now really turning on the President?
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think the President touched upon on some
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Speaker 6: of these things, but it really started with the Big
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Speaker 6: Beautiful Bill and Musk was tweeting about it on his
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Speaker 6: platform just a.
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Speaker 3: Few days ago last week.
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Speaker 6: But I think when he departed the White House, and
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Speaker 6: again he was only there temporarily as a special government employee.
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Speaker 6: When he left, I think that he got the sense
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Speaker 6: that he had a little bit more freedom to criticize
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Speaker 6: the president. But when you're so close to him, and
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Speaker 6: we all know Trump's personality, He's not afraid to go
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Speaker 6: below the belt. He's not afraid to be super direct
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Speaker 6: when people criticize him. I think Musk just took it
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Speaker 6: too far. The bill was something that Trump has been
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Speaker 6: advocating for for months. It's really important to him to
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Speaker 6: get it through Congress. And with Musk going out, you know,
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Speaker 6: after the bill, that made Trump really mad. And then
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Speaker 6: it got really personal today after Trump went after Musk
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Speaker 6: and said that you know, he's he's upset that he
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Speaker 6: left the White House so early. He's just trying to
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Speaker 6: advance his business ideas with the electric vehicles and the bill,
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Speaker 6: and that Musk is just, you know, he might have
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Speaker 6: Trump derangement syndrome. That's what Trump said. So I think
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Speaker 6: those are really fighting words that we're presenting today.
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Speaker 1: Does the big beautiful bill impact on Alon's businesses? I mean,
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Speaker 1: obviously he's got Tesla and the share price there has
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Speaker 1: been in decline recently. He's also got to Twitter, He's
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Speaker 1: got x and he's got Spice X. Is the Spice
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Speaker 1: program part of what's upsetting he?
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Speaker 6: No, I don't think that the space program is the
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Speaker 6: part that he's really upset about. A part that's not
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Speaker 6: in the bill that has also been an issue between
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Speaker 6: Musk and the President is Musk appointed a person to
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Speaker 6: head NASA and first Trump approved of everything was going great,
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Speaker 6: and Trump pulled the nomination just a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 6: So I think that also irked Musk that, you know,
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Speaker 6: he put his friend in this position. The President revoked
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Speaker 6: it because he was a former Democrat. So that part
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Speaker 6: is part of the fight. In the bill, it's mostly
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Speaker 6: just the electric vehicle mandates that Musk is mad about
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Speaker 6: because under Biden, the electric vehicles they got a tax deduction,
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Speaker 6: but the Republicans now are trying to get rid of that.
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Speaker 6: And of course Tesla's an electric vehicle that really impacts Musk,
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Speaker 6: but he's publicly saying that it's mostly because the bill
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Speaker 6: just contributes so much to the deficit and that's why
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Speaker 6: he's upset.
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Speaker 1: Diana, we love the New York Post. Here, Dan under
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Speaker 1: tell me this is a great yawn for the New
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Speaker 1: York Post. Take me through the Epstein claim by Musk
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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is somehow connected and that's why the
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Speaker 1: full Epstein files are not going to be released.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, that was a bombshell that Musk claimed today.
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Speaker 6: And again, this is just a claim.
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Speaker 1: We don't know the.
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Speaker 6: Extent that Trump is, of course involved in these files.
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Speaker 6: They haven't been released and it is up to the
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Speaker 6: Department of Justice to release them. We haven't seen those yet.
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Speaker 6: But the White House said today that Musk's claim was
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Speaker 6: nothing new, that Trump was on the flight logs, But
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Speaker 6: of course we don't know the whole story here, so
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Speaker 6: we'll just have to see. I mean, for Usk to
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Speaker 6: know this information, that would be really interesting if there
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Speaker 6: is something there. Again, the White House is denying that
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Speaker 6: there's there there right now.
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Speaker 1: Tell me, is it possible to tell from where you
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Speaker 1: are in Washington where the public would fall on this?
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Speaker 1: If you're a Trump supporter, obviously you're arrested on maga's
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Speaker 1: supporter and you love the president. What about the wider public?
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Speaker 1: Would I be supporting elon? Would they be supporting the president?
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Speaker 1: And Democrats? I mean a I sitting back rubbing their
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Speaker 1: hands to get the sign. Well, we always thought this
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Speaker 1: would happen.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Democrats are eating this up because you know,
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Speaker 6: his drama. It's exciting, and I don't think that many
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Speaker 6: people are supporting Musk right now. He lost a lot
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Speaker 6: of his support from Democrats when he joined Trump on
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Speaker 6: the campaign trail and we saw those protests against Tesla.
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Speaker 6: You know, he was getting death threats. They were going
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Speaker 6: after his vehicles, like lighting them on fire. So the
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Speaker 6: Republicans were supporting Musk because he was so close to Trump,
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Speaker 6: his right hand man. But now that Musk has departed
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Speaker 6: from Trump, I mean, I don't know who's supporting him
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Speaker 6: right now. Maybe a few people, maybe a few Republicans
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Speaker 6: that agree with him on the deficit, but otherwise he's
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Speaker 6: kind of alone right now.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's fascinating to watch. We can't take our eyes
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Speaker 1: off it. I've got to tell you. Diana Globiba, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much for us staying up like for us,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Coming up after the break, what
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Speaker 1: lessons can we now Australia learn from Ukraine's drone strike
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Speaker 1: on Russia? Wasn't that extraordinary? During the week plus, we'll
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Speaker 1: cross to Tasmania and find out what exactly is going
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Speaker 1: on in the political chaos unfolding on the Apple Aisle.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to take you to Tazzy shortly. We'll also
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Speaker 1: check back in with our friends in kempse In on
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Speaker 1: the mid north coast of New South Wales, how they
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Speaker 1: were covering from those floods of two weeks ago. But
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Speaker 1: first to that footage, that remarkable footage out of Russia
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Speaker 1: during the week of the attack by Ukraine over last
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Speaker 1: weekend using cheap drones to target and destroy more than
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Speaker 1: forty strategic Russian bombers. I mean impressive. I mean not
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Speaker 1: just because it's left Russia on the ropes, but it
20:53
Speaker 1: really signals a new era I think in warfare and
20:56
Speaker 1: a warning for the West. Joining us now to discuss
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Speaker 1: this and more. Deacon University Global Islamic Politics Chair Professor
21:03
Speaker 1: Greg Barton on the line from Indonesia. What does this, Greg,
21:08
Speaker 1: God to see you again. What does this tell us
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Speaker 1: about the evolving nature of hybrid warfare using things like drones?
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Speaker 7: Totally with you, Steve. It's not just this attack, but
21:19
Speaker 7: all of the recent developments with Ukraine and Russia fighting
21:22
Speaker 7: each other with particularly first person view drones. It's thought
21:26
Speaker 7: that most of the Russian casualty is now fighting in
21:28
Speaker 7: Ukraine killed by first person drones. In this case, one
21:33
Speaker 7: hundred and seventeen quad colptors carrying paloas of just three
21:36
Speaker 7: kilograms caused seven billion dollars US damage and as you said,
21:41
Speaker 7: it's thought perhaps as many as forty aircraft a third
21:44
Speaker 7: of the strategic cruise missile fleet taken out. That's not
21:47
Speaker 7: just some of a minor irritation. This suggests that small
21:52
Speaker 7: quad colptors can be as potent as multi million dollar
21:58
Speaker 7: missiles in the damage they can do. Of course, this
22:01
Speaker 7: is also a major intelligence operation because these quad coptors
22:04
Speaker 7: were launched from trucks driven by unwitting Russian truck drivers
22:07
Speaker 7: parked on near the the perimnives of these Russian airbases,
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Speaker 7: these five Russian airbases, you know, some as far away
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Speaker 7: as Siberia or up in the Arctic Circle.
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Speaker 1: I think that I guess the advantage Australia has got
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Speaker 1: greg and it's a big advantage we've always had. We're
22:23
Speaker 1: a big island and huge distances, and these types of weaponry,
22:28
Speaker 1: as I understand it, don't have great range. They've got
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Speaker 1: to be taken close to the target they're aimed to
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Speaker 1: destroy and We've seen obviously a lot of drones used
22:37
Speaker 1: in the Gaza conflict. So should we be a little
22:41
Speaker 1: relaxed given our geography.
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Speaker 7: No, Unfortunately, we shouldn't be a little bit of relaxed,
22:47
Speaker 7: Steve when we do go to fight, and wasn't we
22:49
Speaker 7: fought in Many alongside Britain and America and other allies.
22:53
Speaker 7: You know, we're in the Middle East, where in Asia
22:56
Speaker 7: we're on the front lines far from our continent, and
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Speaker 7: those new well, the future battlefield scenarios drones with in
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Speaker 7: the air, on the land, on the surface or under
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Speaker 7: the surface of the sea will play a very important role.
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Speaker 7: That has to be our business in terms of defense,
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Speaker 7: but also in terms of offense. We need to be
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Speaker 7: able to rely on using the latest technology in a
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Speaker 7: very effective way. If a country as badly done by
23:22
Speaker 7: is Ukraine, as much pressure as Ukraine can can fight
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Speaker 7: a form of superpower Russia in the way that it's
23:28
Speaker 7: doing that, a middle sized power like Australia can do
23:31
Speaker 7: much more than I have done historically if we adapt these
23:34
Speaker 7: new kind of weapons, so it's not so much our continent,
23:37
Speaker 7: it's the front lines will be going to in future.
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Speaker 1: Unless I've missed it, there hasn't been a huge reaction
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Speaker 1: from Russia. Does that surprise you, No, it's not surprising.
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Speaker 7: We're also in the middle of an information war, of course, Steve,
23:51
Speaker 7: So you know we've got to take with a grain
23:53
Speaker 7: of salt what Ukraine says, but also especially what Russia's saying.
23:56
Speaker 7: They said some old buildings were hit, there were some
23:57
Speaker 7: mysterious explosions. Nothing to see here, but we've got all
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Speaker 7: these satellite images have burnt out, you know, multi million
24:05
Speaker 7: dollar long range bombers lying on the tar Mak. Rush
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Speaker 7: has tried to drag them away and cover up, so
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Speaker 7: it's kind of hard to figure out what's happened. But
24:13
Speaker 7: there's a big gap between the satellite imagery and what
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Speaker 7: Russia is saying happened. You know, this is clearly a
24:19
Speaker 7: big shot for them. You wouldn't want to be a
24:22
Speaker 7: senior officer in the FSB or the Russian military at
24:25
Speaker 7: the moment. You certainly wouldn't want to go near a
24:26
Speaker 7: window or a balcony because there's going to be a
24:28
Speaker 7: lot of skapegoats, a lot of questions to be asked.
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Speaker 7: This is a major moral a blow for Russia, but
24:35
Speaker 7: also a morale boost for Ukraine and it comes at
24:38
Speaker 7: just the right time.
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Speaker 1: Great, great to catch up and get some intel from you.
24:44
Speaker 1: Good on your mate Greg Barton there in Indonesia. Now
24:47
Speaker 1: I want to come back to the political turmoil down
24:49
Speaker 1: in Tasmania where locals are now set to face their
24:53
Speaker 1: second state election in just fifteen months after the Liberal premiere.
24:57
Speaker 1: As we know, Jeremy Rockcliffe has lost a no confidence
25:01
Speaker 1: vote in the parliament. This all stems from blowback to
25:04
Speaker 1: the government's budget. It's bungled these spirit of Tasmania ferries
25:09
Speaker 1: where there's no infrastructure built for these things to be docked.
25:13
Speaker 1: Cost of that new stadium for the AFL in Hoe,
25:15
Speaker 1: but all of the above plus a privatization push to
25:18
Speaker 1: sort of work the budget into some sort of decent shape.
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Speaker 1: Here walkers through it is the Tasmanian Senator Richard Colback, Senator,
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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the program with us. You're
25:30
Speaker 1: a good mate of Jeremy rock Cliffs. How's he coping
25:32
Speaker 1: and if you talk to.
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Speaker 5: Him, Steve, Yeah, I was in touch with Jeremy overnight.
25:38
Speaker 5: He's obviously doing a pretty tough It's a significant blow
25:43
Speaker 5: that's been he's been subjected to and it's a completely
25:47
Speaker 5: unnecessary one, I have to say. I mean an absurd
25:51
Speaker 5: situation where the Labor Party think that they can dictate
25:53
Speaker 5: to the Liberal Party who the letter is. That's what's
25:55
Speaker 5: happened to here, and it's one of the more inet
25:58
Speaker 5: things that I've seen in tics, perpetrated by Dean Winter,
26:03
Speaker 5: who just a couple of days before moving this motion,
26:08
Speaker 5: had his opportunity to put an alternative plan to Tasmania
26:12
Speaker 5: in his budget and reply, and all he rolled out
26:15
Speaker 5: was a laundry list of complaint, no real solutions. Is
26:18
Speaker 5: happy to pass the budget and then moves the motion
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Speaker 5: of no confidence in the Premiere because the only thing
26:24
Speaker 5: that he wants to do is remove the most popular
26:26
Speaker 5: politician from the leadership of the Liberal Party in Jeremy Rockcliffe,
26:32
Speaker 5: to make his job easier. He is not prepared to
26:34
Speaker 5: govern in his own right. I mean, he's proved himself
26:37
Speaker 5: to be the ultimate hollowman with this action that he's
26:40
Speaker 5: perpetrated in the last few days.
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Speaker 1: What's next, do you think, Well, unless.
26:48
Speaker 5: Dean Winter's prepared to walk back the situation that he's
26:51
Speaker 5: put us all in, nobody wants this election. This is
26:53
Speaker 5: Dean Winter's election. Let's make that absolutely clear, unless he's
26:57
Speaker 5: prepared to walk that back we go to an election.
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Speaker 5: He's not prepared. He doesn't have the courage to take
27:04
Speaker 5: up the leadership and be premier. He said he's ruled
27:08
Speaker 5: that out. So that's one of the options. I have
27:11
Speaker 5: to say. I'm so proud of our Liberal team here
27:13
Speaker 5: in Tasmania who have shown real strength of teamwork, of
27:20
Speaker 5: integrity by strongly wrapping themselves around Jeremy as their leader
27:25
Speaker 5: and doing what a strong party should do in saying well,
27:30
Speaker 5: sorry Labor, sorry Green, sorry cross Bench. You don't get
27:33
Speaker 5: to determine who our leader is. That's our job and
27:36
Speaker 5: Jeremy is our leader and he's a good leader. And
27:40
Speaker 5: so it's off to the polls unless Labor are prepared
27:44
Speaker 5: to walk back from the precipice that they have put
27:47
Speaker 5: us in. Now they're trying to say this is on Jeremy.
27:50
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. This is a tactic of Labor to try
27:53
Speaker 5: and remove Jeremy from the leadership. And if we're going
27:58
Speaker 5: to go down this path, what's to say that six
28:01
Speaker 5: months in six months time, we don't have the same thing. Oh,
28:03
Speaker 5: let's remove the next letter, Let's remove the next letter
28:06
Speaker 5: that no party with any integrity would allow another party
28:10
Speaker 5: to choose its leader. And our team have done exactly
28:13
Speaker 5: the right thing, which is to gather around Jeremy strongly
28:17
Speaker 5: and put it back on to Dean Winter, the hollow
28:20
Speaker 5: man of Tasmanian politics, and say to him, well, if
28:24
Speaker 5: you want to take the premiership, it's yours. You can
28:28
Speaker 5: do that. The governor will offer that to Winter. He
28:33
Speaker 5: hasn't got what it takes to take that on. He
28:36
Speaker 5: didn't after the election, he didn't in March this year,
28:40
Speaker 5: and he doesn't now.
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Speaker 1: This is just.
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Speaker 5: A feeble, miscalculated attempt to try and make us change
28:49
Speaker 5: our leader. And I'm so proud of our team that
28:52
Speaker 5: they haven't fallen for it.
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Speaker 1: He're a former federal sports minister. The AFL issue here,
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Speaker 1: I mean to explain it for our national audience. The
29:02
Speaker 1: Tasmanians want a team. The AFL says, you've got to
29:05
Speaker 1: have a roof stadium in Hobart to get a team.
29:07
Speaker 1: That's how you get the license. How much at risk
29:10
Speaker 1: do you believe is this longhurld hope that Tasmania might
29:15
Speaker 1: be able to field its own team.
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Speaker 5: Well, clearly it is at risk because some of the
29:19
Speaker 5: timelines that have to be hit for within the period
29:23
Speaker 5: that we might be in an election. So another act
29:27
Speaker 5: of harm to Tasmania caused by Dean winters Ill thought
29:32
Speaker 5: our process just an act of harm to the state.
29:36
Speaker 5: Not necessary. And we all know no team if there's
29:41
Speaker 5: no stadium. That's the deal. The deal with the AFL says,
29:46
Speaker 5: if you want a team, it comes with the stadium.
29:49
Speaker 5: That's the national model, that's what we're looking for. And
29:53
Speaker 5: the viability of the team is impacted if there's no studium.
29:56
Speaker 5: And the Tasmanian management, the AFL team have said that
30:02
Speaker 5: the team is not economically viable if you don't have
30:06
Speaker 5: a stadium. So I mean these things go together intrinsically.
30:10
Speaker 5: Those people who say that they can go back to
30:12
Speaker 5: the AFL and renegotiate, I mean it's fairyland stuff. The
30:18
Speaker 5: deal is signed by the Tasmanian government. If you want
30:22
Speaker 5: a team, it comes with a stadium. Jeremy and his
30:26
Speaker 5: team and in fact Labor have said, yeah, okay, we
30:29
Speaker 5: accept that. That's what we're going to do. And so
30:34
Speaker 5: the process from now over the next few weeks was
30:36
Speaker 5: to get on with approving the process to start building
30:39
Speaker 5: that stadium. So we can hit the timelines for the
30:41
Speaker 5: team coming into the competition in twenty twenty eight and
30:45
Speaker 5: the stadium being available in the next season. I mean,
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Speaker 5: we need to get on with this. It's an important
30:53
Speaker 5: piece of economic infrastructure for Tasmania. Ten percent of Tasmania's economy,
30:59
Speaker 5: ten percent is visitation tourism. This is an important piece
31:03
Speaker 5: of economic infrastructure that will bring people to Tasmania in
31:07
Speaker 5: winter during our off season, something we've been trying to
31:10
Speaker 5: do for years and years and years, and it's the
31:14
Speaker 5: next just.
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Speaker 1: It just makes so much sense. Sat to the callback.
31:19
Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you, Thank you very much,
31:21
Speaker 1: good luck with keeping Tasmania on the straight and narrow.
31:24
Speaker 1: And now I have some breaking news now just out
31:26
Speaker 1: of Queensland. Queensland Police have found what is reported to
31:30
Speaker 1: be and believed to be human remains during the search
31:33
Speaker 1: for missing teenager Phoebe Bishop. The remains are yet to
31:38
Speaker 1: be formally identified, but police are in contact with the
31:41
Speaker 1: seventeen year old's family. A man and a woman in
31:44
Speaker 1: their thirties who the teen had been living with have
31:47
Speaker 1: been charged with her murder after the break. Locals up
31:52
Speaker 1: in the arms over the impact of the new Olympic
31:55
Speaker 1: Stadium of Queensland in Brisbane's biggest park, plus the hard
32:00
Speaker 1: breaking floods recovery continues. I promised we keep in touch
32:03
Speaker 1: with the New South Wales Mid North coast. The Mayor
32:07
Speaker 1: of Kempsey will join us after the break. Welcome back.
32:13
Speaker 1: Take you to the flood ravage part of the mid
32:16
Speaker 1: North Coast of New South Wales in just a moment.
32:19
Speaker 1: Catch up with the mayor there again. Now Speaker Stadiums.
32:22
Speaker 1: New modeling has revealed that Brisbane's largest park is now
32:26
Speaker 1: set and we were warned about this by Campbell Newman,
32:29
Speaker 1: who I'll catch up within a second, set to lose
32:31
Speaker 1: most of its land due to the construction of the
32:34
Speaker 1: sixty three thousand seat Olympics stadium. Research from the Sustainable
32:39
Speaker 1: Development researcher Dr Neil Peach suggests the new stadium will
32:43
Speaker 1: take up fifty eight percent of Victoria Park. Well, we
32:47
Speaker 1: were warned from a Queensland Premier. Campbell Newman joins us.
32:50
Speaker 1: When I saw that graphic during the week, I thought
32:53
Speaker 1: of you immediately, and when I read what was attached
32:57
Speaker 1: to that research that you know, we have to talk
32:59
Speaker 1: about car parks and all of the associated things that
33:02
Speaker 1: go around the stadium. It's not surprising, isn't it.
33:08
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I'm really quite angry about this because
33:12
Speaker 8: the various proponents and hucksters and boosters, it's quite shameful.
33:17
Speaker 8: But actually what's going on in this city have been
33:20
Speaker 8: deliberately misleading people about the impact on the park and
33:24
Speaker 8: I'm afraid the government, well maybe they've drunk the coll
33:27
Speaker 8: aid and they believe this, but it's just not true.
33:31
Speaker 8: It's probably actually going to be even a higher percentage
33:34
Speaker 8: because there are various other bits and pieces that have
33:37
Speaker 8: been left out. That's so we won't get into the
33:41
Speaker 8: nitty gritty, but put it this way, it's devastating for
33:43
Speaker 8: the park. And again I say to the Olympic Committee,
33:48
Speaker 8: you know you talk about a sustainable games. This just
33:51
Speaker 8: shows your platitudes are exactly that rolled gold ballooney. You're
33:57
Speaker 8: allowing the destruction of Brisbane's largest inner city piece of
34:02
Speaker 8: green space. This stadium should have been going to a
34:05
Speaker 8: brownfield side, or it should have been going to the
34:07
Speaker 8: Gay the Gabba, and this work that Dr Peach has
34:11
Speaker 8: presented is really a proof of that, proof negative of that.
34:17
Speaker 8: It's quite quite sad to see this continuing on in
34:20
Speaker 8: this way.
34:23
Speaker 1: Has christ fully reacted and what are the locals going
34:28
Speaker 1: to do? I mean, I don't believe that it's possible
34:31
Speaker 1: to stop, but I think this is now a fair
34:34
Speaker 1: complete isn't that That's what it's going to be and
34:36
Speaker 1: that's where it's going to be.
34:39
Speaker 8: Well, the real politics, Steve, is that probably outside the
34:43
Speaker 8: inner three kilometers of the North side of Brisbane, you'd
34:47
Speaker 8: probably find this fairly strong support and people just want
34:50
Speaker 8: the premiere and the state government to get on with it.
34:53
Speaker 8: But I can tell you there's growing anger for people
34:57
Speaker 8: in the inner city. There's growing real life of workers
35:01
Speaker 8: at the Royal Brisbane Women's Hospital of the incredible impacts
35:04
Speaker 8: on them. There's growing realization of the parents at the
35:08
Speaker 8: number of rather some very elite private schools Brisbane Girls
35:13
Speaker 8: Boys Grammar and Gregory Terraces Catholic Boys' School. So people
35:18
Speaker 8: are waking up to the impact of this. But yes,
35:21
Speaker 8: I think the government at this moment is hell bent.
35:24
Speaker 8: But I could tell you now that the Residents Action
35:26
Speaker 8: Group have actually got a legal strategy and that has
35:32
Speaker 8: not been made clear to the government yet and I'm
35:36
Speaker 8: forecasting if that progresses, the governmental wish had gone for
35:40
Speaker 8: an alternative site, because people like doctor Peach and Sue Ramna,
35:44
Speaker 8: who leads the group, they are not going to lie
35:46
Speaker 8: down over this. They're determined to save the park and
35:51
Speaker 8: I'm with them on that. I'm afraid and the government
35:54
Speaker 8: should have gone elsewhere.
35:57
Speaker 1: Well, this won't make you feel any better, but I
35:59
Speaker 1: remember when you know Sydney announced that it was going
36:01
Speaker 1: to build the Olympic Stadium where it did in Homebush.
36:05
Speaker 1: I mean that was basically a rubbish tip and a
36:07
Speaker 1: chemical dump. I mean the sort of the sort of
36:11
Speaker 1: location that you're saying should have been found for the
36:14
Speaker 1: stadium in Brisbane.
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Speaker 8: Look, that's what the sort of whole narrative from the
36:20
Speaker 8: IOC is that we want to have a sustainable games
36:23
Speaker 8: and we want to leave a legacy. Well a legacy
36:25
Speaker 8: is taking a degraded brown field site. There's a few
36:29
Speaker 8: options in Brisbane, and I've talked previously about Hamilton North Shore,
36:32
Speaker 8: which I think is the standout proposal for There are
36:36
Speaker 8: a couple of other locations, probably more expensive and turn
36:40
Speaker 8: something of no value into something of value. But meantime,
36:45
Speaker 8: preserve a park that was created one hundred and sixty
36:48
Speaker 8: years ago for the benefit of people of Brisbane all
36:50
Speaker 8: for all time and saving that space. That's the appropriate
36:55
Speaker 8: thing to do, and really the IOC shouldn't be allowing.
36:58
Speaker 1: This to happen.
36:59
Speaker 8: And it was quite dis graceful our here in the
37:01
Speaker 8: last couple of weeks and they were paraded around and
37:04
Speaker 8: not once did they seek to engage with local residents,
37:07
Speaker 8: and not once did they actually admit to what they're
37:11
Speaker 8: allowing to see happen here in this destruction of a
37:16
Speaker 8: great public space. It won't be a wonderful green space
37:19
Speaker 8: at the end of this. It will be concreted over.
37:22
Speaker 8: That's very clear from these realistic renders of the impact
37:29
Speaker 8: of what this stadium actually really represents.
37:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Great to catch up, Campbell, we'll
37:36
Speaker 1: talk to you about the developments on that next week.
37:38
Speaker 1: Camber Newman joins us every Friday night. Now. I promised
37:41
Speaker 1: that we would keep in touch on the recovery on
37:44
Speaker 1: the New South Wales, Mid North Coast and Hunter regions
37:47
Speaker 1: after those floods two weeks ago. We've been talking to
37:51
Speaker 1: the mayor of Kempsey. We're told farmers there have been
37:54
Speaker 1: forced to sell off a lot of their livestock, many
37:57
Speaker 1: of their pastures still covered in mud. Us again is
38:00
Speaker 1: Keemci mayor Kinney Ring Kinny. It's two weeks on from
38:05
Speaker 1: when we first spoke. How things progressing? Give me, give
38:09
Speaker 1: me a bit of a smile on your face. Is
38:11
Speaker 1: it getting any better?
38:14
Speaker 9: There's been a bittersweet moments. I think these events tend
38:18
Speaker 9: to bring out the best in the community in terms
38:20
Speaker 9: of coming together. The just sheer amount of support from
38:24
Speaker 9: all across Australia that's come in to help us with
38:27
Speaker 9: our cleanup has been absolutely fantastic. But I think reality
38:31
Speaker 9: and fatigue is really starting to set in for the
38:33
Speaker 9: community and I guess the shock of what has happened
38:37
Speaker 9: for a lot of community members that have been hit hard.
38:41
Speaker 9: Cleaning up is a really arduous task and is really
38:44
Speaker 9: confronting in terms of losing all of your possessions. And
38:48
Speaker 9: it was pleasing to see the can't see funding announced,
38:52
Speaker 9: but walking around to small businesses to talking to primary producers,
38:57
Speaker 9: it just feels like the amount of money that has
38:59
Speaker 9: been announced is just going.
39:01
Speaker 2: To scrape the.
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Speaker 9: Scrape the edges those for those people, and I think
39:06
Speaker 9: talking to some farmers it's almost twenty thousand dollars for
39:09
Speaker 9: a kilometer of fencing, let alone the feed you need,
39:11
Speaker 9: let alone, that bills, let alone transport all as the
39:14
Speaker 9: result of this disaster, and I think recovery is going
39:19
Speaker 9: to be a long time for those communities.
39:23
Speaker 1: I've kept in touch with people in Lismo from what
39:25
Speaker 1: happened in twenty twenty one. One of the big issues
39:29
Speaker 1: that they had as you get further into the recovery
39:33
Speaker 1: is the mental impact of this and the mental you know,
39:37
Speaker 1: the threat that it could happen again, and why me,
39:40
Speaker 1: and how can I insure my property? And when will
39:43
Speaker 1: I be back in my house? Are you mindful of that?
39:47
Speaker 9: Extremely? Insurance is just untenable for many of our people
39:51
Speaker 9: in the shire. If you live in Smithtown or Gladstone,
39:53
Speaker 9: if you are a primary producer, if you have a
39:55
Speaker 9: business in our CBD, you simply can't afford it. Aounce
39:59
Speaker 9: between forty and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
40:02
Speaker 9: that's it's simply untenable. And I think longer term, we've
40:07
Speaker 9: had twenty six natural disaster declaration since two thousand and nine,
40:11
Speaker 9: and those different events leave different mental impacts on the community.
40:15
Speaker 9: Whether it's whenever there's any plume of smoke. There's a
40:19
Speaker 9: fear that there's going to be another raging bush fire.
40:21
Speaker 9: And just the other day we had maybe ten mil
40:23
Speaker 9: of rain and just the panic of community and thinking
40:27
Speaker 9: what's what's any amount of rain going to do to
40:29
Speaker 9: us now? And recovery is long. I was talking to
40:33
Speaker 9: me stick Steve Craig just two weeks ago when all
40:36
Speaker 9: this first kicked off, and they're still dealing with things
40:39
Speaker 9: from the twenty twenty one floods. And I even know
40:42
Speaker 9: us as a shire is still recovering from twenty twenty
40:44
Speaker 9: one floods in terms of landslips and just that continuous
40:49
Speaker 9: picking yourself back up, and I guess that will to
40:53
Speaker 9: go on can be a bit of a struggle. But
40:56
Speaker 9: it's been pleasing to see just how hard our community
40:58
Speaker 9: has been working. Already got some critical infrastructure back online.
41:02
Speaker 9: We've cleaned up a lot of waste. It's just those
41:04
Speaker 9: long term lingering things.
41:08
Speaker 1: Steve's a great man made of mine, So you keep
41:11
Speaker 1: in touch with him, He'll look after you. Canny good on.
41:13
Speaker 1: You will keep in touch with you. Good luck with
41:15
Speaker 1: the recovery now after the break, when is a pay
41:17
Speaker 1: rise not good for business? Plus a political fight is
41:21
Speaker 1: brewing over airport noise. This was always going to happen
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Speaker 1: with Sydney's second airport. Our Friday Night panel up next,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. If you've got a long weekend around much
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Speaker 1: of Australia this weekend King's Birthday weekend, I think have
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Speaker 1: you a good long weekend. I want to talk to
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Speaker 1: our panel first up tonight about the three and a
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Speaker 1: half percent hike to the minimum wage look that was
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Speaker 1: announced by on Tuesday by the Fair Work Commission. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's good news, I guess if you're a student
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Speaker 1: or starting out in your first job. But it's not
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Speaker 1: such great news if you're a small business already struggling
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Speaker 1: to make ends meet, only to be told you have
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Speaker 1: to pay your staff even more. Who better to have
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Speaker 1: to talk about that than our panel Tonight's Small Business
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Speaker 1: Women Australia CEO Amanda Rose and Sky and News contributed
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Speaker 1: Joe hilde Around is a long way away from his
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Speaker 1: first job, Amanda. How tough it's going to make it
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Speaker 1: if you're running if you're an operator running a little cafe.
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Speaker 10: That's the thing is with small businesses, they want to
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Speaker 10: pay people well right. They don't want to be skimpy.
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Speaker 10: But the reality is when a minimum wage increases, hospitality
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Speaker 10: and retail and places like that that rely on the
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Speaker 10: students and people that are on minimum wage to survive
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Speaker 10: literally have to let go of a staff member to
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Speaker 10: make that up. And don't forget super is also increasing
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Speaker 10: from the first of July, and the big companies usually
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Speaker 10: absorb that. So what they do with the package for
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Speaker 10: an employee, they'll actually say, well, your salary's dropped because
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Speaker 10: the souper has gone up because it's in a package.
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Speaker 10: But a small business owner, they're actually paying it and
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Speaker 10: they're doing the right thing.
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Speaker 2: So something like this.
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Speaker 10: Yes, it's great, and I think it's people do need
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Speaker 10: more money, but people need to consider that if you
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Speaker 10: continually go down that path, small businesses won't be able
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Speaker 10: to survive. They will close down. Then there'll be no
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Speaker 10: jobs at all. So there's that balancing act which they're
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Speaker 10: not doing well. Because insurance costs have gone up twenty
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Speaker 10: percent of the trucity or energy costs have gone up
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Speaker 10: thirty percent, small businesses can't hold on anymore.
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Speaker 1: Joe, You've got to say, I mean, if you were
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Speaker 1: thinking about setting up a small business and you weren't
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Speaker 1: doing it already. You're really in many of the states
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Speaker 1: of Australia, I mean, particularly in Victoria, with all the
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Speaker 1: added levies and taxes. You'd really be a very brave
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Speaker 1: person to do it, wouldn't you. Yeah.
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Speaker 11: I think I'm a big fan of a dacent minimum
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Speaker 11: wage and I think the lowest paid employees deserve that
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Speaker 11: three and a half percent. And of course they're going
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Speaker 11: to spend it too, So that's the other thing. That
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Speaker 11: money will go back into the economy because they'll have
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Speaker 11: basically no income that they don't have to spend because
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Speaker 11: they're just they have to spend it all to get by.
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Speaker 11: But yes, we do need to make sure that it's
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Speaker 11: easier for small businesses. We need to make sure that
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Speaker 11: we cut red tape, that we don't have any necess
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Speaker 11: unnecessary regulations or taxes. I mean, payroll tax is just insanity,
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Speaker 11: but we still have that in New South Wales and Victoria.
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Speaker 11: And as a man who said insurance premiums are just
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Speaker 11: absolutely ridiculous, these days they are skyrocketing. I feel it
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Speaker 11: just as a sort of private householder that the amount
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Speaker 11: my house and car insurance has gone up, and energy
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Speaker 11: bills we know we have to get down, even though
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Speaker 11: that's probably going to get worse before it gets better.
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Speaker 1: Joe I was watching a soap opera today called Trump Musk.
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Speaker 1: It's got a lot of episodes to come. We're only
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Speaker 1: halfway through the Netflix series. I mean, you could not
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Speaker 1: write this stuff. I mean, it's just unbelievable. Elon's fled
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Speaker 1: the White House and he's now talking about Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: being involved with Jeffrey Epstein. It was always going to
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Speaker 1: end in tears, wasn't it.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it absolutely was. As you know, Price, I'm a
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Speaker 11: big fan of Roman history, and they always tried to
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Speaker 11: have two consuls or in the later part, two emperors,
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Speaker 11: so they would balance each other out. And of course
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Speaker 11: all that ended up happening was that one killed the
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Speaker 11: other one. You don't lock two tigers in a cage
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Speaker 11: together and expect them to get along. And it was
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Speaker 11: always going to be the case that two Titanic egos
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Speaker 11: like Donald Trump and Elon Musk, the most powerful man
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Speaker 11: in the world and the richest man in the world,
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Speaker 11: they were always going to as soon as any disagreement appeared.
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Speaker 11: These are people who were used to having armies of
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Speaker 11: people behind them telling them that they are absolutely right
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Speaker 11: about everything. It was always going to I think the
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Speaker 11: first hurdle was always going.
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Speaker 1: To be the last. Amanda. I always thought this was
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Speaker 1: going to happen. Second airport for Sydney. There was always
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Speaker 1: going to be great debate amongst the population about aircraft noise.
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Speaker 1: We saw Catherine King, the Minister for Air Services Australia.
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Speaker 1: She said we're going to have reciprocal runway operations now.
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Speaker 1: When she said that, I thought, I can't work at
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Speaker 1: what that means. The Shadow Minister Bridget Mackenzie said, well,
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Speaker 1: I think they're trying to make planes fly over liberal
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Speaker 1: people's houses, which seems a bit over the top. And
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Speaker 1: then I saw Byron Bailey, an aviation expert on Sky
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Speaker 1: yesterday telling us this about landing a big plane with
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Speaker 1: the wind up your backside.
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Speaker 12: When you're talking triple seven, three hundreds, a three eighties,
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Speaker 12: the really big heavy stuff. You can't be missing around
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Speaker 12: and treating them like there are you know, it's a
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Speaker 12: general aviation therapane in Bankstown. It's a serious business and
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Speaker 12: pilot sent the ultimate authority to accept.
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Speaker 3: Or refuse operationally.
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Speaker 12: I would refuse to do any downwind takeoff in a
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Speaker 12: triple seven three hundred. It's just unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: Oh thank god for Byron. I mean, the Minister's obviously
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Speaker 1: got no idea that you can tell someone flying an
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Speaker 1: A three eighty to land that way tonight because you
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Speaker 1: don't want to go over that person's house.
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Speaker 10: Look this whole airport, with the runways and the noise
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Speaker 10: and the fact that it's a twenty four hour airport,
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Speaker 10: which a lot of people have an issue with because
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Speaker 10: there's going to be a lot of freight. Just remember
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Speaker 10: that when the coalition was in they also refuse to
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Speaker 10: say where they'll be flying because people were concerned about
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Speaker 10: buying in the area and that if the flight path
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Speaker 10: went over their house, their house might lose value, and
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Speaker 10: they refuse to answer that question when they are in power.
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Speaker 10: So it's a bit rich to then call out the
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Speaker 10: current government by saying, hang on a minute, we don't
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Speaker 10: like the flight paths you picked. I'm like, well, no
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Speaker 10: one was actually clear or forthcoming with that information ever,
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Speaker 10: and the youth or the community, the ones are going
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Speaker 10: to suffer because it's twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: Joe your mate Albow made his political career on campaigning
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Speaker 1: against aircraft noise over the seat of Likeard if I
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Speaker 1: remember correctly.
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Speaker 11: The seat of Grainler where I also live, and I
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Speaker 11: can tell you I am no stranger to aircraft noise
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Speaker 11: and albow. Certainly as the local member had as Prime Minister,
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Speaker 11: as a big supporter of Western Sydney Airport, this is
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Speaker 11: going to be an incredible development. It's going to be
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Speaker 11: an absolute game changer. You need to have a twenty
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Speaker 11: four hour airport in Australia's largest city.
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Speaker 1: We are at the epsite.
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Speaker 10: End of the world, not just over Western Sydney, Joe,
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Speaker 10: because it's not twenty four hours over in the east.
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Speaker 10: So from the king City's perspective, it's not fair.
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Speaker 1: No, no, it's not.
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Speaker 11: And again I don't really have much for problem lifting
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Speaker 11: curfews at Sydney Airport. You do get used to the
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Speaker 11: noise and there's ways to mitigate it by having the
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Speaker 11: planes taking off and landing in different directions and along
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Speaker 11: different paths, so it's not the same areas that are
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Speaker 11: hit again and again.
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Speaker 1: Just told you as old as you can't do that, Joe,
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Speaker 1: you can't have them land different directions. You've got to
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Speaker 1: it's the wind that besides where it's a different thing.
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Speaker 11: So this is the question of whether or not you
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Speaker 11: should have planes, and this I must have been I'm
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Speaker 11: no expert, but this does down pretty weird to me,
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Speaker 11: which is none of the expects that they're flying. That's right,
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Speaker 11: the fight. But I think Biden is talking about the
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Speaker 11: fact that our flies opposite directions on the same man.
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Speaker 11: But I don't think he's talking about noise. I think
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Speaker 11: he's talking about the fact that they're they're flying towards
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Speaker 11: in opposite directions, towards each other.
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Speaker 1: He's too much, he's too much safety. We'll reignite this
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Speaker 1: argument next week. Thank you both. Have a great weekend.
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Speaker 1: If you've got a long weekend, have a great long weekend.
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Speaker 1: The Tasmanian situation will be sorted out at some stage
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Speaker 1: next week coming up rowandin