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Speaker 1: Welcome in to the j P. Shadrick Podcast. Today is Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: April and today we'll have a special edition of pre
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Speaker 1: Draft Jags Media round Table Discussion featuring as Carline of
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Speaker 1: tinton XCEL, Mike Doroco of ESPN, and Mark Long of
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Speaker 1: the Associated Press. But first to look ahead of the
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Speaker 1: week of draft coverage coming up Wednesday Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: Live at one o'clock. Brian Sexton will be in Dallas
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Speaker 1: with a preview of the coming days before the draft.
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Speaker 1: Thursday is the big day. Of course, we'll have Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Thursday Radio from six to seven at daily Splace for
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Speaker 1: uniform launch and draft party. Seven o'clock on Action News
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Speaker 1: Jack's Television, that's the Jaguars Draft Show, one hour preview
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Speaker 1: of the draft including interviews with Tom Coughlin and a
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Speaker 1: live visit with g M. Dave Caldwell just outside the
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Speaker 1: draft room. Starting at nine o'clock, It's the Jaguars Radio
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Speaker 1: Draft Special on Tinta XL and the guys will go
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Speaker 1: live from Daily He's plays through the Jaguars selection in
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Speaker 1: the first round. Our coverage on Jaguars dot Com will
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Speaker 1: begin immediately after the Jags selection in that first round
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Speaker 1: and we'll bring immediate reaction, plus live press conferences and
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Speaker 1: much more Thursday night, after the Jaguars make the pick.
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Speaker 1: Now to who that pick might be, We've got a
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Speaker 1: special trio from the Jaguars Beat to break it all down.
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Speaker 1: Mark Long, Associated Press, let's start over market, Mike the Rocco,
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Speaker 1: ESPN and Hayes Carline of ten Tin XL. What's up, guys? Hey,
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Speaker 1: what's up? Doing great? How are you oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: ready for the draft? Ready or not? Here it is, guys,
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Speaker 1: rock here, it is the draft finally, Thank god? You're
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Speaker 1: ready for this? Be over? No, I just want the
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Speaker 1: draft to be here. I mean, I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 1: It's all this pre draft stuff kind of gets old
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Speaker 1: around this time. Now. We've spend the last month breaking
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Speaker 1: down prospects, and they could have had the draft like
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Speaker 1: a month ago and been fine, could have had it
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Speaker 1: in January. January No, No, but yeah, I mean stretch
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Speaker 1: it out, stretch it out. Leaku's gotta stretch it out.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's finally here, and that's exciting
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Speaker 1: for sure. Um. We had the pre draft media luncheon
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Speaker 1: last week on Friday, where the football Brass talk with
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Speaker 1: the media before the draft, and I don't know how
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Speaker 1: much we learned in that, And that's kind of an
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Speaker 1: annual tradition. They don't really give up a lot in
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Speaker 1: this thing, right Mark, I mean, but it's good to
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Speaker 1: kind of hear some final thoughts before the direct. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine if they actually did give up something like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is a guy we like. These are the top
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Speaker 1: three or four guys we like, and uh, you're we're
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Speaker 1: hoping when this guy falls, that would be pretty pretty special,
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Speaker 1: but that's never gonna happen. And uh, you gotta read.
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Speaker 1: This is an unbelievable test for writers, broadcasters, TV people
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Speaker 1: um to read between the lines, because I do think
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Speaker 1: I think it's human nature to be a little to
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Speaker 1: have some tells. Anybody who you know plays poker, you
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Speaker 1: have some tells, and I think these guys have some tells.
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Speaker 1: And I think you just gotta be able to read
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Speaker 1: between the lines and and put some pieces together and
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Speaker 1: figure out, uh, who they like and who they're going
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Speaker 1: to draft. Got in a poker reference on the top
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Speaker 1: of everything. What do you think of that? Hayes? Because
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Speaker 1: you do as he said, you have to read read
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Speaker 1: between the lines with these guys because they're not gonna
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Speaker 1: come out and tell you, especially a guy like Tom
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Speaker 1: cough right. I do get a sense that there is
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Speaker 1: more confidence. There's a a looseness uh this year than
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Speaker 1: there was last year when they were sort of feeling
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Speaker 1: each other out a little bit um. So I do
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Speaker 1: think to Mark's point, that that can lead to a
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Speaker 1: little bit more uh of information. But when you look
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Speaker 1: at what they've been able to do in the last
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Speaker 1: two drafts with obviously the jail and draft Miles Jack
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Speaker 1: Nick and then last year hitting on for net and
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, I mean, this is a front office that
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Speaker 1: should be walking around with their heads held high and
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Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence. And I think you kind
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Speaker 1: of saw some of that today. And now they've got
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a challenge because if they
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Speaker 1: don't move up, they're gonna watch twenty eight guys go
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Speaker 1: off the board before they're on the clock. Do you know,
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Speaker 1: to Hayes's point here, next year it was pretty quick.
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Speaker 1: I mean Tom Coffin comes in in January, Doug Maron's
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Speaker 1: hired as the head coach. Dy've called Will's here. They
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Speaker 1: got to figure this thing out, and as you said, heyes,
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Speaker 1: I mean the draft in April, Um, who's doing what,
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Speaker 1: who's communicating with who? And and Tom Coffin will say, hey,
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Speaker 1: we just got in the room and got to work.
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Speaker 1: But it is a little clearer now what the roles
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Speaker 1: are and how these guys work together. It seems like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you can count me among the people that wondered
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Speaker 1: last year if that whole Maron Coughlin called well triumvirate
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Speaker 1: would work not only before the draft but during the season,
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Speaker 1: you know, would it blow up in their face? Would
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Speaker 1: it be a problem. And you know, to all of
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Speaker 1: their credit, they made it work. And obviously having success
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Speaker 1: on the field helps with that. But I think this year,
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Speaker 1: and I think Tom said it on Friday too, that
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Speaker 1: you know, we kind of know what we're doing in
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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the process went pretty smooth for
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Speaker 1: us last year, which to me sounded like a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a surprise for me. Um, you know, just
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Speaker 1: because they were thrown in like you said, But I
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Speaker 1: mean they've got they've got this downpat to nail what
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Speaker 1: they nailed last year in the draft, Like those guys said, Um,
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Speaker 1: with that little time together to kind of figure out things,
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Speaker 1: I think it was pretty impressive. So, you know, like
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Speaker 1: Hey said, you gotta wonder, you know, what what they
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Speaker 1: can do with now full year, knowing what they want,
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Speaker 1: knowing what the team's gonna look like. If there hasn't
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Speaker 1: been a lot of changeover that, that certainly helps helps.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Dave and his entire front office
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Speaker 1: remained intact. Tom came in, and I don't think Tom
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Speaker 1: came in and started throwing deck chairs off the Titanic.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think Tom came in and and saw it.
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Speaker 1: And then the big thing with Tom is he set
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Speaker 1: the vision for what they who they are and what
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Speaker 1: they're want to be, and that's gonna be run the ball,
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Speaker 1: play great defense. And they drafted to that, and they
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Speaker 1: attacked free agency twice to that, and I would expect
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Speaker 1: them to go into this draft with that exact same
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Speaker 1: mentality and not wavering at all. So it's a vital
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Speaker 1: draft though, because there's not much more free agency they
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Speaker 1: can go after in the next year. So because there's
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Speaker 1: not a lot of money left over after this and
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Speaker 1: this is a new world, it's been building up to
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Speaker 1: this window right now to be able to spend that
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Speaker 1: money the last couple of years you gotta make that
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Speaker 1: happen on the field and in the draft. On the field.
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Speaker 1: Moving ahead here, well, this is a huge year because
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Speaker 1: this is a year where they legitimately can win the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl or at least get there. We don't know
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Speaker 1: what call New England. I'm not calling it. I'm calling it.
6:22
Speaker 1: I'm not calling it yet. I wonder and see what Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they might be. I mean, I want to see
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Speaker 1: what New England does. But they've had a lot of
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Speaker 1: roster turnover already. Um, they are well armed in the draft,
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Speaker 1: so we'll see. They still have Tom Brady. Um. But
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Speaker 1: you look at the rest of the a f C,
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Speaker 1: and I think the Jaguars on paper stack up, you
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Speaker 1: know more than you know, well against everybody else that
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Speaker 1: you would throw out there. The NFC is loaded. Um,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars could be the fifth or sixth best team
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Speaker 1: in the NFC, but in the a f C where
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Speaker 1: there is some in balance. Right now, Uh, if the
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Speaker 1: Patriots ever do fall off, sorry Droco, but if they
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Speaker 1: ever do, yeah, and it gets really uh, it gets
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Speaker 1: really interesting for for this team. So uh it is
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's time to go win it. And uh
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Speaker 1: and when it now they have the tools to do it.
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Speaker 1: And to your point about the money, I mean, yes,
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Speaker 1: they're a little up against the cap, but they can
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Speaker 1: easily shed forty million next year. Uh. And again it
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Speaker 1: will depend on how some of these guys play, but
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Speaker 1: they are still in a in a position where they
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Speaker 1: can release some players with very little to know dead
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Speaker 1: money and really still be aggressive if that's what they
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Speaker 1: chose to do overall pick. It's a strange place, at
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Speaker 1: least in recent history for the Jags, for like the
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Speaker 1: first two and a half hours of that draft were
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Speaker 1: used to be done by like depressed foodway. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: we'll think of something make fun of Gene, just kidding,
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Speaker 1: just kidding. Uh So well, ten straight years of a
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Speaker 1: top ten pick for this franchise and now it's down
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Speaker 1: to twenty nine. Like the good old days and the
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Speaker 1: mid to late nineties, when you're drafting late, it's a
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Speaker 1: different perspective. As Dave Caldwell said Friday, I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can take ten to fifteen guys and just take them
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Speaker 1: off your list because they're not going to be there
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Speaker 1: at twenty nine. So at that point you get to
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Speaker 1: who's available and what you're kind of needs are who's
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Speaker 1: the best available guy, This could this could be anybody.
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Speaker 1: Or is that is that the field amongst you guys,
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Speaker 1: is it is there a position that you feel like
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Speaker 1: no matter what they might lean toward, or is it
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Speaker 1: kind of a crapshoot? Still, well, I think it's a
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Speaker 1: handful of positions and uh that they're gonna because I
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Speaker 1: think this is who they are. They're They're not gonna
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Speaker 1: go get a quarterback at twenty nine. They're not gonna
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Speaker 1: go get a flashy wide receiver at twenty nine. You
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Speaker 1: don't think it's quarterback I have. I'd be stunted as
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Speaker 1: I'd be stunted as a receiver here. I think they're
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Speaker 1: they are. They have set this foundation. They are who
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Speaker 1: they are. They embrace who they are across the board.
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Speaker 1: They created uniforms to match who they are on the field.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's the most I mean, it's it's like
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Speaker 1: the most obvious sign of this is who we are
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna even show it in what we put
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Speaker 1: on our helmet. Uh. And so to me, that says
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Speaker 1: you draft either an offensive lineman, uh, maybe a defensive
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Speaker 1: player in the front seven, I would think, or or
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Speaker 1: a tight end it's like an offensive lineman, and to me,
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Speaker 1: anything outside of that, to me, would be an absolute stunner.
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Speaker 1: If it was a defensive back, a quarterback, ride receiver,
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Speaker 1: or even a running back, I don't know if i'd
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Speaker 1: go stunner, but I mean I do agree with him
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Speaker 1: that that's probably the area that they're leaning. And to me,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that stood out at the pre
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Speaker 1: draft lunch and on Friday was how lively Coughlin was
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Speaker 1: when talking about the tight ends UH in the little
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Speaker 1: group setting that we were we had after the main
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Speaker 1: press conference. UM that kind of stuck with me. Now,
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Speaker 1: obviously that doesn't mean they're taking a tight end, but certainly, um,
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Speaker 1: as Mark talked about earlier, you kind of look and
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Speaker 1: try and read between the lines. But I agree with
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Speaker 1: the I mean, I think it's going to be an
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman tight end, I think, or my one too,
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Speaker 1: And then you know who knows after that. Now, it
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Speaker 1: also obviously depends on if there's somebody that falls surprisingly
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Speaker 1: um or if you know, there's a team that wants
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Speaker 1: to get back into the first round, that obviously could
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Speaker 1: play a role in it as well. But but even then,
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Speaker 1: and if they're picking at the top of the second rod.
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Speaker 1: I see him probably still sticking with those two positions.
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Speaker 1: There's a theme to this entire offseason, and there is
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Speaker 1: for all thirty two teams, but for this team, the
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Speaker 1: theme is get back to the a f C championship game,
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Speaker 1: build a ten point lead in the fourth quarter and
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Speaker 1: finish it this time. Get the players that can finish
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Speaker 1: the game this time, and get to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Norwell does that. Uh. He absolutely is everything you'd want
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Speaker 1: it left guard. That's why I do think it will
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Speaker 1: be another interior position on the right side. I again,
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Speaker 1: it depends on who's there. But if it's you know,
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Speaker 1: McGlinchey at an utter dame the tackle, if it's when
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Speaker 1: the guard out of Georgia, Hernandez the guard out of Georgia,
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Speaker 1: I think one of those three will be there. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna give it a hard look.
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Speaker 1: I do not see it being a perimeter player. This
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Speaker 1: is not an administration that that really seems to be
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Speaker 1: overly uh interested in making the perimeter it's priority, at
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Speaker 1: least on offense. They did it on defense with boy
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Speaker 1: A and Jalen. But I think when you look at
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Speaker 1: what this team needs, they have a chance. If they
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Speaker 1: hit on the twenty nine pick on an offensive lineman,
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Speaker 1: they have a chance to have the best in the
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Speaker 1: best offensive line in the NFL. With what Cam Robinson
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Speaker 1: was able to do as a rookie with Brandon Linder
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Speaker 1: at center, and what Norwell has been able to do.
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Speaker 1: If he has a smooth transition to Jacksonville, this offensive
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Speaker 1: line could be stunning lee good next year. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think Tom Coughlin and Dave called Well and Doug
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Speaker 1: Morone are going to be able to resist that temptation
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Speaker 1: to try and make that happen. As they said in
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Speaker 1: the introduction last year, Tom Coughlin, football was designed to
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Speaker 1: be played a certain way, and that's in the trenches, toughness,
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Speaker 1: grit and all that stuff. Um so offensive and defensive
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Speaker 1: lines that's where that starts in. So the defensive line
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Speaker 1: is already arguably the best to the National Football League
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Speaker 1: and the old line could be well on its way.
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Speaker 1: So final thoughts here, Mark Long, Mike de Rocco, Hays
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Speaker 1: Carlin Um, who isn't I'm putting on the spot right now?
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Speaker 1: The board everybody slides down to twenty nine and is
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Speaker 1: available in a key world, which is not, you know,
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Speaker 1: which is make believe in a world that is a
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Speaker 1: perfect world. I guess what I'm trying to say. Who
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars take a twenty nine. I'll go Mike McGlinchey.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he'll be there, but I think,
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Speaker 1: perfect world, Mike McGlinchey gets to twenty nine and can
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Speaker 1: challenge Parnell in camp, and if he can't beat out
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Speaker 1: Parnell could kick inside and overtake A. J. Cann at
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Speaker 1: right guard, the offensive lineman from Notre Dame. Yes, And
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Speaker 1: I actually would have would have said the same guy,
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Speaker 1: but in the interest of debate here, I will go
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Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst, tight end out of South Carolina. I just
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Speaker 1: think the guy is one of the rare tight ends
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Speaker 1: in this draft and in the last five years. Who
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Speaker 1: can who can come in and and do both, who
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Speaker 1: can block inline block and get down the field and
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Speaker 1: make some plays. And they talked about that at at
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Speaker 1: assum on Friday that finding a tight end who can
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Speaker 1: do both is absolutely critical and is very, very difficult
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Speaker 1: in today's name. And he has some life experience. He's
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Speaker 1: a little older, played some baseball, had some issues there
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Speaker 1: and has worked his way back local guy as well,
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Speaker 1: Mike Droco. I think they're god awful. Perfect scenario would
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Speaker 1: be Quentin Nelson dropping the twenty nine. Never gonna happen, obviously, Um,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm I'm with these guys. I'll throw
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Speaker 1: out another name that's potential because I you know, I
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Speaker 1: think McGlinchey is probably gonna be gone. Uh Connor Williams.
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Speaker 1: Uh he can play both tackle, guard, so I mean
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Speaker 1: that would help them. Uh you can slide him in
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Speaker 1: at right guard and uh you know, if he doesn't,
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Speaker 1: you know, mind playing there for a year and then
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Speaker 1: maybe slide him out the right tackle the year after
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Speaker 1: when Jeremy Parnell is done. Um, so I think we're
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Speaker 1: all pretty much in the ballpark. It's you know, position wise,
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Speaker 1: So I think it's not. I don't think it's going
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Speaker 1: to be a surprise. You know, we talked about earlier.
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Speaker 1: I think this is this is where they're going. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna come out of left field. I was just gonna
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Speaker 1: say it's gonna surprise people because if you look at
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Speaker 1: all the mock drafts out outside and cornerbacks, and that's
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Speaker 1: not who they are. But true, true, Um, you mentioned
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Speaker 1: the front seven on defense could be a possibility as well,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of those guys could be gone in theory,
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Speaker 1: Hurst could be gone. You guys could be gone. Uh
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Speaker 1: Rashaan Evans, Alabama linebacker. Oh he went with the Alabama
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Speaker 1: shocking draft board up here. Then I was like, I'm stunned.
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Speaker 1: So that's possible. Um, something to think about as well.
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Speaker 1: We'll look forward. What kind of covers you guys have
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Speaker 1: all weeks? We normal radio stuff? You got writing? What
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Speaker 1: do you get going on? We will have normal radio stuff.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll have stories on tin tin XL dot
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Speaker 1: com as well as well as us some draft videos
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Speaker 1: on the website, so hopefully you guys will enjoy draft
14:50
Speaker 1: videos draft videos. I've got to defend Dan because all
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Speaker 1: this guy does is ripped my poor coach from Gainesville.
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Speaker 1: I loved d you ripped him. I ripped him for
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Speaker 1: bringing out friend friends. He might he might. When I
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Speaker 1: was there at the game, I didn't like it. You
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Speaker 1: are you doing at a spring? Oh? Yeah? You what
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Speaker 1: do you got this week? Just writing some stories? I
15:17
Speaker 1: got Actually, yeah, I got, well, I got a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna write up a jag set up for the
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Speaker 1: for the draft, and I gotta. I gott actually pretty
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Speaker 1: good baseball team over in games. So I'm doing a
15:26
Speaker 1: baseball story next week, and I'm doing a feature on
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Speaker 1: Tavin Bryan, who will be drafted based on potential and
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Speaker 1: not production. You're spread too thin, Um, Mike Rocko, you
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Speaker 1: got this one. You know what, I'm taking a look
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Speaker 1: at all these mock drafts and I'm gonna sit there
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Speaker 1: and try and find a consensus about what guys think
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Speaker 1: and then tell you why it's right and wrong. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's probably the thing I'm looking
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Speaker 1: forward to the most. Uh. And then you know, feature
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Speaker 1: on you know what they should do tight ends? I
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Speaker 1: mean offensive line? What's the best um scenario for that?
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Speaker 1: And um, you know I'm actually up in Bristol all
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Speaker 1: week for ESPN NFL meetings. So yeah, it's a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun. Our mock draft on Tuesday night, Live mock
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Speaker 1: Draft on Tuesday Night, and then on Wednesday they talk
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Speaker 1: about whether or not they should continue to cover the days. Wow.
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Speaker 1: On that note, we will call this podcast Mike de Rocko, ESPN.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Mark Long the Associated Press and
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Speaker 1: he's Carline Attenta. Next, and finally, a big congrats for
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Speaker 1: This path Saturday, those finalists went through two more rounds
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Speaker 1: a solo dance performance later in the day. The new
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Speaker 1: and with twenty three veterans back for there are eleven
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