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When Family Chaos Turns Into Connection · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast Friday Edition that means I'll
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  Speaker 1: do better tomorrow. It's where we reflect on the week
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  Speaker 1: that was, talk about what works, talk about what didn't,
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  Speaker 1: share a little bit of our lives with you, and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully give you some inspite to make your family happier today.
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  Speaker 1: On the podcast Stories that Will, they had us in stitches,
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  Speaker 1: literally in tears. We hope that you enjoy the stories
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  Speaker 1: because we're going to share them with you. It's so
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  Speaker 1: funny when you get a bunch of siblings together and
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  Speaker 1: they start recounting their past experiences when Mum and Dad
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  Speaker 1: aren't it at around the things that they get up to.
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  Speaker 1: A dead set crack up today, plus an email that
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  Speaker 1: left me sitting in the car weeping so badly that
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of the car for five minutes
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  Speaker 1: because I just cried so much. You'll find out why
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  Speaker 1: next on the Happy Families Podcast. Stay with Us. This
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  Speaker 1: is the Happy Famili's podcast, the podcast where you get
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  Speaker 1: real parenting solutions every single day. We're Justin and Kylie Colson.
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  Speaker 1: We're the parents of six kids and Kylie it's been
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  Speaker 1: a great week. Every Sunday in our home we get
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  Speaker 1: the whole family together. That's you and I, it's our
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  Speaker 1: six kids, our son in law, our granddaughter, and we
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  Speaker 1: get the Gosny Fired Up hashtag not sponsored. We make
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  Speaker 1: homemade pizzas they are so good, and then everyone sits
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  Speaker 1: around and talks your older But it tomorrow centers on
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  Speaker 1: our Sunday night experience.
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  Speaker 2: So for a long time now, Sunday Night dinner has
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  Speaker 2: always been about our gratitude circle. We come together, we
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  Speaker 2: share the things that we're grateful for, we recognize God's
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  Speaker 2: hand in now live, and we just have a really
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  Speaker 2: delightful conversation. But we now have four adults in our
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  Speaker 2: house plus two in laws to Sunday night, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: and the conversation has gone from grateful things to sharing
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  Speaker 2: memories to let's just say, I think that we're getting
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  Speaker 2: to confession mode with these kids as they start to
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  Speaker 2: share some of the pretty dodgy things that they get
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  Speaker 2: up to when we're not around.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So on Sunday Night, some of the stories
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  Speaker 1: were just they were so they all.
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  Speaker 2: Centered around one child. Let's be real. Yes we'll keep
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  Speaker 2: her anonymous, but you can work it out if you've
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  Speaker 2: been listening long enough I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: You'll be able to work out which child did is.
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  Speaker 1: So I grabbed your phone because the stories were so funny,
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  Speaker 1: and I stuck the phone in the middle of the table,
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  Speaker 1: and one or two of the kids twigged that I
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  Speaker 1: was now recording the conversation because but the.
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  Speaker 2: Child involved did not, so she kept on talking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she didn't say, oh, you can't tell this story
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  Speaker 1: in the podcast, like she hadn't realized that we were
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  Speaker 1: recording the whole thing. But before I play this story,
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  Speaker 1: that was just well, you'll get a sense of what
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  Speaker 1: Sunday nights alike. There were a couple of other stories,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness that we were literally in stitches.
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  Speaker 2: So this kid is she's very frugal. She's very frugal.
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  Speaker 2: She's frugal with her food, google with her money, she's
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  Speaker 2: frugal with her clothing. Like she is probably one of
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  Speaker 2: the most unpretentious kids, yep, that you could meet.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's food on your plate, she'll come and
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  Speaker 1: take it so that she doesn't have to pay food.
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  Speaker 1: I'll spend money on food. She doesn't mind if you've
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  Speaker 1: eaten three quarters of it, decide you don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't look she should just she'll eat anything. She'll
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  Speaker 1: just sleep in the car. She'll take sleep in a hammock,
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  Speaker 1: take the clothes off your back so that she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to buy her own.
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  Speaker 2: So in this confession mode, she says, one of the
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  Speaker 2: kids says, remember the time where we were running low
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  Speaker 2: on petrol, and every time we came to the top
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  Speaker 2: of a hill, you would turn the car off so
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  Speaker 2: you could roll down and say petrol, And then she did.
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  Speaker 1: So she's driving a manual, just just so that makes sense,
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  Speaker 1: Like anyone who drives a manual, you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: turn off the car and just coast right. But all
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  Speaker 1: these hills, she told us, on one of these hills
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  Speaker 1: is like one hundred and twenty meters, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta use more pedroal turning the car back on
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hill, like, and you do
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  Speaker 1: need power off the pouset anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the funniest one of the night was
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  Speaker 2: when she told us that she pretended she'd ran out
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  Speaker 2: of petrol because she wasn't sure she was going to
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  Speaker 2: make it.
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  Speaker 1: To the petrol station, so she just turned the car
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  Speaker 1: off and then.
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  Speaker 2: Got somebody to help push her to She.
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  Speaker 1: Got her sisters to get out and push no.
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  Speaker 2: But somebody else stopped the car and help because they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: This kid anyway. So I stuck the phone in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the table and this is what she told us.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to share this with the podcast. But
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  Speaker 3: remember remember when you let me eight years ago. Remember
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  Speaker 3: when I got your AirPods out of the drain and
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  Speaker 3: I gave it back to yes.
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  Speaker 4: So that I was running. I didn't even make it
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  Speaker 4: two minutes into the run before it fell off into
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  Speaker 4: the drain, like it was literally in the street. I
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  Speaker 4: was trying to hrade it into it. I was just
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  Speaker 4: trying to fit the drain smuould get down, but I
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  Speaker 4: was too big, and I was like, oh yeah, Emily,
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  Speaker 4: I was going to get to fit to go down,
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  Speaker 4: and so Emily came with me, and I'm like trying.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like Emily, just it's like my hip. I'm there,
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  Speaker 4: and then the cold drug lasting for every trying. I'd like,
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  Speaker 4: oh right, I pull, I'll be like not more. All good,
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  Speaker 4: don't worry. I got around and then as soon as
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  Speaker 4: they go, the thing is, David, you would have been
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  Speaker 4: able to reach other.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just a right. Please forgive all the banging
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  Speaker 1: noises and things when the phone's on the table and
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  Speaker 1: no one understands microphone etiquette and knows that they're being recorded,
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  Speaker 1: they sort of hit the table. And when you're hitting
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  Speaker 1: the table, it kind of makes sound and a little
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  Speaker 1: bit hard, But it's just a right, kylie, It's all right.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with bet it tomorrow? Incidentally? Like, where are
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  Speaker 1: you going with this? What's the take home message?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many take home messages from this. The
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  Speaker 2: joy of being together is fostered over time, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's these tiny flex of gold that we're collecting along
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  Speaker 2: the way in the midst of all of the mess
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  Speaker 2: and the chaos of family life. But this is a
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  Speaker 2: twenty five year tradition that we have continued to build
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  Speaker 2: upon as our children have grown. And the joy that
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  Speaker 2: we get to experience now because we've created the culture
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  Speaker 2: within our own home, We've created the space where this
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  Speaker 2: is an opportunity to relish time together and love going
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  Speaker 2: down memory lane. There's so much joy in that. And
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  Speaker 2: so my take home is start today. If it's not
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  Speaker 2: something that you have previously done, start today to create
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  Speaker 2: a culture where your family loves to come together and
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  Speaker 2: share ideas and share memories and confess and love. There
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  Speaker 2: is so much there's so much goodness that comes out
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  Speaker 2: of just having a great laugh, the bonds that you
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  Speaker 2: create together, the joy that you experience, and those happy
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  Speaker 2: end orphans. They're awesome. I want more of those.
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  Speaker 1: It's so much fun, just so much fun. But it
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  Speaker 1: requires that intention, right, Like we all sit around the table,
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  Speaker 1: we start the conversations, and then we just lo.
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  Speaker 2: No phones, yeah, no distractions, We're just all in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait for this Sunday, not already because that
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  Speaker 1: was funny. It's just it's just chaos. It's so hard
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  Speaker 1: to say on top of what's going on, so many
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  Speaker 1: voices all at once. Big families, lots of fun. After
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  Speaker 1: the break an email that left me in tears in
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  Speaker 1: my car, stay with us. We're back. This is the
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  Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast where you get real pairing solutions every
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  Speaker 1: single day. I'll do better tomorrow. I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the awesomeness where I got to babysit our grand
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  Speaker 1: baby for a couple of hours and we went out
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  Speaker 1: of the beach and found crabs in the rocks, and
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  Speaker 1: then we came home and sat on the couch and
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  Speaker 1: watched Manly Sea Eagles last week take care of the
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  Speaker 1: West's Tigers at Magic Round, and she fell asleep in
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  Speaker 1: my lap, in my arms watching the footy. And there's
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  Speaker 1: so many other things I want to talk about, a
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  Speaker 1: big confrontation with our sixteen year old that was mended
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  Speaker 1: in just the most wonderful ways. But Kylie got an
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  Speaker 1: email that you have not heard that I want to
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  Speaker 1: share with you. Comes from someone called Catherine in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm reading it because she asked me to. And
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  Speaker 1: just because someone asked me to read an email on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast doesn't mean that I will. But this one,
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  Speaker 1: it just grabs me. So you don't know where this
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  Speaker 1: is going. You don't know what it's about. And it
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  Speaker 1: left me weeping in the car when I read it,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope that I can get through it for
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  Speaker 1: the pod, just as Hi, justin Kylie, please read this
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  Speaker 1: out on the podcast. I don't know if words can
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  Speaker 1: truly convey the depth of gratitude I have for you
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  Speaker 1: in creating this show, because I would describe its effect
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  Speaker 1: on my family as absolutely life saving. At the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of this year, I left a very abusive relationship with
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  Speaker 1: my children, and I had no autonomy. We were entirely
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  Speaker 1: subject to their father's volatile emotions and actions, as he
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  Speaker 1: showed a reckless disregard for our well being and safety
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  Speaker 1: and severely restricted our movements. I experienced both sexual and
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  Speaker 1: physical abuse during this relationship, and my children was subject
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  Speaker 1: to neglect and unnecessary chastisement. While I could tell my
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  Speaker 1: husband's behavior wasn't normal, I didn't know how far displaced
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  Speaker 1: from normal it actually was. I found you a podcast
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty at the recommendation of someone in my
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  Speaker 1: church congregation. By that point, I had already been abused
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  Speaker 1: for five years. I listened to every episode. I listened
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  Speaker 1: to your entire backlog, and quickly picked up on the
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  Speaker 1: truth that connection is the currency of my relationship with
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  Speaker 1: my children. Teachings like explore, explain in power, and get
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  Speaker 1: curious not furious resonated deeply with me. I applied them
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  Speaker 1: to both my children and my husband. My husband, unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: only ever got furious not curious. Sharing these teachings with
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  Speaker 1: him made no difference, as he simply chose not to
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  Speaker 1: follow the advice. But seeing Kylie joined the podcast and
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  Speaker 1: listening to your healthy relationship was a breath of fresh air.
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  Speaker 1: Listening to you, I learned what a healthy relationship actually
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  Speaker 1: looks like and how far from that mind truly was.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing Kylie talk about how you call her beautiful, darling, angel,
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  Speaker 1: sweetheart and tell her it's good to hear from her
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  Speaker 1: every single time you met to the phone taught me
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  Speaker 1: the great men who genuinely love their wives do exist
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  Speaker 1: in this world. You also introduced me to Maggie Dent,
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  Speaker 1: whose teachings are fantastic, especially her insights on how to
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  Speaker 1: handle a healthy divorce. They were invaluable to me, even
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  Speaker 1: though I listened to that advice several years before I
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  Speaker 1: finally had the courage and resources to leave. I've read
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  Speaker 1: The Parenting Revolution and your other books, and I highly
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  Speaker 1: recommend them to the rest of your listeners. Your teaching
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  Speaker 1: to get out of bed bed and use your r
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  Speaker 1: or resonated heavily with me. It helped me differentiate myself
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  Speaker 1: from my abuser, and it became an amazing resource to
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  Speaker 1: help my children, who often lie simply because they were
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  Speaker 1: terrified of telling the truth under his regime. When I
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  Speaker 1: finally left, I had to sneak out with nothing packed
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  Speaker 1: with my four children, all under the age of ten,
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  Speaker 1: not knowing if I would ever see my house or
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  Speaker 1: belongings again. I did it this way to prevent an
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  Speaker 1: escalation that would require calling the police to get us out,
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  Speaker 1: which would have been incredibly traumatic for the kids. Through
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  Speaker 1: your teachings, I was able to bid the stable presence
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  Speaker 1: my children needed. I didn't show resentment or stress because
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  Speaker 1: I knew they needed to catch my calm, not me
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  Speaker 1: catch they're crazy. Since leaving, I knew again from your
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  Speaker 1: teachings that the best thing I could do for my
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  Speaker 1: kids was to never speak negatively about their father, which
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  Speaker 1: I've been very careful about. I've answered their questions at
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  Speaker 1: an age appropriate level, and they've handled everything beautifully. None
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  Speaker 1: of them have asked to see him, which speaks volumes
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  Speaker 1: and confirms that I made the right choice to put
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  Speaker 1: their safety first. I did eventually end up back in
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  Speaker 1: the family home, and he was arrested for his crimes
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  Speaker 1: against us. The kids, school, the police, and the courts
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  Speaker 1: have been incredibly supportive and helpful toward my family since leaving.
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  Speaker 1: My five year old has been displaying trauma responses, making
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  Speaker 1: large messes that often involve weeing on things when he
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  Speaker 1: feels distressed or if he doesn't get attention quick enough.
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  Speaker 1: I think he feels some power in finally being able
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  Speaker 1: to express himself without extremeary percussions, and he's been naming
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  Speaker 1: to make other people distressed. I remember you mentioning in
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  Speaker 1: an episode that sometimes kids try to make us feel
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they're feeling using their actions when they don't
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  Speaker 1: have the words to explain it. I also think part
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  Speaker 1: of it is mimicking his father's behavior of getting louder
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  Speaker 1: and more hostile when he didn't receive the instant compliance
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  Speaker 1: he demanded. The children didn't have a voice before, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm now undoing that by bringing in autonomy supportive parenting
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  Speaker 1: when it happens. I explained to my five year old
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  Speaker 1: how much I love him even when he makes a mess,
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  Speaker 1: and that I'm here to help him, not to tell
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  Speaker 1: him off. Then I demonstrate how to ask for my
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  Speaker 1: help in a more productive way. He goes back to
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  Speaker 1: playing with his siblings and calms down quickly. Because of
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  Speaker 1: you and your teachings, I've learned to not mind the mess,
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  Speaker 1: not one little bit. I just want to help my
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  Speaker 1: kids because they aren't giving me a hard time. They
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  Speaker 1: are having a hard time, and people matter, things don't.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a few things get broken during these outbursts,
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  Speaker 1: including several toys and toy boxes, a few Nintendo DS's,
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  Speaker 1: and a computer monitor. I've handled it all in a
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  Speaker 1: shame free way, with natural consequences, entirely devoid of anger.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody had to feel told off or in trouble. As
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  Speaker 1: a result, the outbursts are steadily going down in frequency
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  Speaker 1: and severity. I want them to know that no matter
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  Speaker 1: what they've done, how much they've lied, or what they've broken,
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  Speaker 1: I'm their safe person. Just like your analogy about being
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  Speaker 1: the walls of the swimming pool, they can come to me.
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  Speaker 1: I will be safe and stable, and they can use
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  Speaker 1: that solid base to push off from to become independent
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  Speaker 1: and autonomous. My children have the absolute best chance to
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  Speaker 1: heal from this. I'm not blowing my own horn here
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  Speaker 1: because I attribute all this healing to you and what
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  Speaker 1: your family's done for me. With the guidance you've given me,
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  Speaker 1: we are in the thick of healing. But it is
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful healing because I don't have to wonder if
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing it right or feel overwhelmed. I have you
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  Speaker 1: here to guide me. Thank you from the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: my heart for teaching me how to keep my fe
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  Speaker 1: family safe and how to truly be a happy family.
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  Speaker 1: Because of you, I didn't end up fleeing in distress
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  Speaker 1: to spare confusion and regret. I was able to educate
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  Speaker 1: myself out of a bad situation with full clarity, grounded, healthy,
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  Speaker 1: and acting as a rock of stability for my children.
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  Speaker 1: They will heal just fine because we have your guidance.
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  Speaker 1: You provided all this with no high and mighty intentions.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even know I existed, but you basically saved
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  Speaker 1: my life.
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  Speaker 2: Catherine. Anything I say in response to that feels a
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  Speaker 2: bit trit.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fifty year old man who's sitting here sobbing again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm in awe. I love that Catherine saying
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  Speaker 1: that we did it, but we actually didn't. She did it.
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  Speaker 1: She did it, and it just made me so grateful, Kylie,
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  Speaker 1: like my old do better Tomorrow is not about anything
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  Speaker 1: that's happening in our family. It's about what we do
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  Speaker 1: in this in these seats, in front of this microphone.
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  Speaker 1: It's very easy for us to I don't know you
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  Speaker 1: get an email like that and you just go this
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  Speaker 1: stuff makes a difference, And so this is not about
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  Speaker 1: tooting our own horn or anything like that. It just
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  Speaker 1: made me so grateful. Like when I say to people,
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  Speaker 1: what's the most important thing in your life, everyone says family,
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  Speaker 1: and people trust us with the most important thing in
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  Speaker 1: their lives. And yeah, like I said, I read Catherine's
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  Speaker 1: email and I was and am just overcome. Quite honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sad. I'm so sad that there are people,
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  Speaker 1: there are men who think that it's okay to treat
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  Speaker 1: their wife and children like that. That it doesn't just
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  Speaker 1: devastate me, it disgusts me. It's just it's an absolute blight.
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  Speaker 1: Just it's appalling. But that Catherine had the courage to
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  Speaker 1: find a way out, I just I'm in awe to
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  Speaker 1: literally say to the kids, we're going with nothing like
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  Speaker 1: we're just getting in the car and going or however
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  Speaker 1: they went away. It's amazing. So if we have any
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  Speaker 1: influence in your life, we are grateful.
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  Speaker 2: I think about how she's clearly attributes everything that she's
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  Speaker 2: been able to do to us, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: does a gross injustice to her and the things that
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  Speaker 2: she has done because we can sit here and we
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  Speaker 2: can share valuable insights, but as an individual, you actually
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  Speaker 2: have to be intentional and willing to act. But what
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  Speaker 2: her story shares is just the power of feeling like
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  Speaker 2: you've got someone who's got your back, someone who understands
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  Speaker 2: and can shine a light in dark places to give
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  Speaker 2: you the capacity and the courage to step out of
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  Speaker 2: the darkness. That's what I hear, and I just I'm
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  Speaker 2: so grateful that the things that we share make a
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  Speaker 2: difference and in this case have literally changed for little
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  Speaker 2: children's lives as a result.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to the podcast and you're in
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  Speaker 1: a happy and safe family, just hug those kids, let
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  Speaker 1: them know how safe they are, let them know how
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  Speaker 1: loved they are, because you hear a story like that,
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  Speaker 1: and it really brings it home how not everybody gets
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy the quote unquote happy family. Anyway, we hope
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  Speaker 1: that you have a wonderful weekend. I hope that there's
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  Speaker 1: some inspiration in our laughter and our stories, but also
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  Speaker 1: in Catherine's courage. And we really appreciate that you listen
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  Speaker 1: to the pod. We really hope that it makes a
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  Speaker 1: difference in making your family happier and safer and stronger.
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  Speaker 1: The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Roulin from
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  Speaker 1: Bridge Media. Mim Hammonds provides our admin and other support.
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  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend and for more information about making
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  Speaker 1: your family happier. You'll find resources and support at happy
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  Speaker 1: families dot com dot a