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Avoiding Landmines with Ali Capurro · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: each of us to help those around us. All right,
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Speaker 1: So five four, three, two and one, our folks, welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Very excited to have back. Ali Kaporo, Ali, welcome.
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Speaker 2: Back, Hey guy, good to be here as usual.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. So. Ali is a licensed professional counselor in Boise, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: and has a master's rein marriage and family therapy. She's
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Speaker 1: also the host of the Sneaky Powerful podcast dedicated to
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Speaker 1: Semitic experiencing. She's created an offering to anyone interested in
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Speaker 1: the ways dress and trauma impact us, specifically through s.
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Speaker 1: On the podcast, interviews various se practitioners, including faculty, who
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Speaker 1: have all graciously shared parts of their work with se
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Speaker 1: AS well as personal stories. And as you just explained,
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Speaker 1: you're just back fresh off the boat from facilitating helping
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Speaker 1: out there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right, we just had a training. I got to work
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Speaker 2: with Joshua Sylvey who has been on this podcast, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's such an enriching experience. So I'm happy to be
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Speaker 2: here after that, and some like the dressed state I
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Speaker 2: was in before that.
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Speaker 1: So for those listeners maybe who didn't catch you initially,
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Speaker 1: just remind us, remind them where you're from originally and
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Speaker 1: where you are.
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Speaker 2: Currently originally originally guy, like like the days of Fresno, California.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, originally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not supposed to say that. I think I
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Speaker 2: say that every time, but yeah, like my I think
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Speaker 2: one of my family members said it's like the sorry Fresno,
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Speaker 2: but the armpit of California. I don't know that that's true,
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Speaker 2: but you know, that's like it's got a bad rap
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Speaker 2: I think. But anyway, That's where I'm from. Okay, in
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Speaker 2: Idaho outside of Boise and yeah, so much between.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's take a step back and how did
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Speaker 1: all this start for you? How did this interest start
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Speaker 1: for you? How did this passion start for you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that question because I've been reflecting a lot,
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Speaker 2: trying to culminate some of my experiences and see if
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Speaker 2: I can put it together in a form that would
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Speaker 2: be helpful to share. You know, I think when we
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Speaker 2: have a story, it's important to share because of it
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Speaker 2: helps so many others. So I've been reflecting on this
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Speaker 2: a lot lately. But I would say that because I
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Speaker 2: had trauma that I didn't know about. I had the
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Speaker 2: what's called psychogenic amnesia, or my brain protected me from
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Speaker 2: knowing about my trauma. I had sexual abuse from a
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Speaker 2: couple different perpetrators growing up, and I think when I
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Speaker 2: was twenty one, I started to have panic attacks. I
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Speaker 2: was also a psychology major, actually before I was even
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Speaker 2: even before I had panic attacks, and then it kind
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Speaker 2: of interrupted my path of psychology and it kind of
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Speaker 2: turned to me on to a different track. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: that was kind of what started the process of like,
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Speaker 2: what the heck is trauma? What's wrong with me? What
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Speaker 2: is going on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you decided to become a psychology major, were
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Speaker 1: you aware of your yes? Yeah, So when a psychology major?
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Speaker 1: What in high school?
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Speaker 2: Or I loved in high school, but then I went
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Speaker 2: to a junior college for a few years in Aptos, California,
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Speaker 2: basically Santa Cruz. Then I transferred to you See Santa
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Speaker 2: Cruz as a psych major, and I think, sadly, within
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Speaker 2: before I even took my first class, we had had
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Speaker 2: some really terrible experiences in Santa Cruz, my housemates and I,
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Speaker 2: where someone tried to break in, things got stolen, just
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Speaker 2: really I think experiences that were the I would say
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Speaker 2: cracked me open, the point of which my trauma got
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Speaker 2: cracked open. And it's interesting because the more I work
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Speaker 2: with people, the more I see a lot of people
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Speaker 2: have a story where their trauma or their stress is
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Speaker 2: sort of I guess you could say, suppressed but maintained
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Speaker 2: until something cracks them open. So yeah, when I was
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Speaker 2: twenty one, I was cracked open and all my adaptations
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Speaker 2: no longer worked and I became what felt like a
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Speaker 2: different person overnight. Yes, So then I started my my
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Speaker 2: psychology program you See Santa Cruz, and I was having
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Speaker 2: panic attacks on campus daily, at home daily, I couldn't
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Speaker 2: I couldn't find footing. It was. It was really hard.
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Speaker 2: So I only lasted there. They used the quarter system,
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Speaker 2: but I dropped out because it was so I was
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Speaker 2: so derailed.
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Speaker 1: Wow, it just reminded me when I had when I
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Speaker 1: had a panic attack. But I'm not going to go there.
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Speaker 1: So what are you thinking? You're cracked open and and
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Speaker 1: like right after these panic attacks start, are you think
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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Totally totally Like I thought, I would say, this wasn't
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Speaker 2: mental health. Well this was nineteen like ninety seven, so
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Speaker 2: mental health was much different than and then within my
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Speaker 2: family that I was raised in, it wasn't. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: something that was certainly not respected. I'm trying to think
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Speaker 2: of a word that would capture it, but it was
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Speaker 2: how about dismissed. It was really dismissed in my own family.
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Speaker 2: So I had that mentality as well. Even though I
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Speaker 2: was going into psychology and I was very empathic, I
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Speaker 2: just didn't feel like there was a place for me
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Speaker 2: to not feel well emotionally. So yeah, I thought to
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Speaker 2: use the word crazy. I thought I was going crazy
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Speaker 2: because it was literally overnight where I thought I can't.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday I could control myself and today I can't. Yesterday
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Speaker 2: I could distract myself, distract anxiety. Today I can't. And
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Speaker 2: it was certainly like black and white day and night scary.
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Speaker 2: It was very I was very scared.
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Speaker 1: Did you tell people? Did you show this?
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Speaker 2: Oh? My gosh, And I was so ashamed. I had
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Speaker 2: the wonderful man that I was dating at the time.
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Speaker 2: His mother and I were really and still are really
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Speaker 2: good friends, and she became my number one because she
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Speaker 2: had experienced panic attacks and so she understood. She provided support.
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Speaker 2: And my poor housemates at the time, they probably thought
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Speaker 2: I was just such a dick because I'm super I Withdrew,
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Speaker 2: I just wasn't myself. I became, yeah, like a different person.
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Speaker 2: And at twenty one, I was in a setting where
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Speaker 2: we were having fun, we were experimenting, we were we
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Speaker 2: were at the beginning of like our really exciting futures
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Speaker 2: and then mine just yeah.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that the woman who you were able to
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Speaker 1: connect with and then trauma. That is so amazing. You
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Speaker 1: know the people like that who just they get it,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to judge you, and you know they're
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Speaker 1: not going to judge you. Those people are I love
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Speaker 1: those people. Yeah, So what do you do? What happens?
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Speaker 1: How does this unfold?
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Speaker 2: Gosh? One other cool piece was again the guy the
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Speaker 2: man I was with at the time. His family and
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Speaker 2: extended family we were really close with, and they were
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Speaker 2: all they had a different They had trauma, actually, and
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Speaker 2: it was trauma that they had spoken about, like within
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Speaker 2: the larger family, and it wasn't secret like the what
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Speaker 2: I had experienced was very secret and very not safe
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Speaker 2: to be spoken of. So his whole family was actually
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Speaker 2: really supportive. And I wouldn't say I could be my
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Speaker 2: total self because myself, the set my sense of self
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Speaker 2: was so fragmented and disorganized. But I could show up
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Speaker 2: and not be so ashamed and embarrassed, God, so embarrassed.
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Speaker 2: I tried to hide it so much from friends, peers
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Speaker 2: because I just didn't know what it meant for me
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Speaker 2: in my future.
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Speaker 1: So from these these people, you were confiding, and did
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Speaker 1: you seek professional help?
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Speaker 2: So I did a little bit I had. I got
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Speaker 2: some bad help. I one of the qualities of the
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Speaker 2: panic attacks for me was dissociation and and and derealization.
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Speaker 2: So what I said, actually, when my first panic attack
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Speaker 2: panic attack happened, I was in a movie theater with housemates, friends,
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Speaker 2: and then my boyfriend was sitting right next to me,
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Speaker 2: and I said, oh my gosh, it feels like I
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Speaker 2: am so stoned and we were all sober, but it
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Speaker 2: felt like I had used marijuana, which was pretty common
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Speaker 2: in Santa Cruz in my friend group at that time.
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Speaker 2: But and he also such a dear, dear person. He said,
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Speaker 2: just ride it out, just ride the wave, and though
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Speaker 2: it was intense, those were exactly the words I needed
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Speaker 2: to hear in that moment. So he also became a
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Speaker 2: huge support to me. I'm getting it's so funny, guy,
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Speaker 2: I'm in the story so much that I'm like, what
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Speaker 2: was your question?
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Speaker 3: That time?
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Speaker 2: Is like I can feel it, you know?
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Speaker 1: Instead, Yeah, so how do things unfold such that you're like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I want to
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Speaker 1: get into this field.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So, so when I was the dissociation, I talked
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Speaker 2: to a psychiatrist there at you see Santa Cruz, and
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Speaker 2: I also talked to a couple different counselors, and the
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Speaker 2: bad advice I got was, oh, just just enjoy the dissociation,
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Speaker 2: like it's just this wild trip, and it was, yeah,
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Speaker 2: not helpful. I had had a wild trip that was
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Speaker 2: very fun with psychedelics previously. This was much different. This
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Speaker 2: was hell. This was a nightmare. So yeah, so I
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Speaker 2: didn't really get much help I had to kind of
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Speaker 2: keep it hidden from my family, and I really relied
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Speaker 2: on my boyfriend and his family. Skip ahead to I
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Speaker 2: became a teacher. First, with the derailment of my future,
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Speaker 2: I thought, well, I my whole family. I'm from a
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Speaker 2: family of teachers. I can do that, and so that's why,
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Speaker 2: And so I became a teacher. It was still with
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Speaker 2: a lot of crippling anxiety.
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Speaker 1: So this is still going on?
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Speaker 2: Ill, Oh my god, it would? It would? How would I?
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Speaker 2: I think I learned enough avoidance tactics to where I
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Speaker 2: could kind of semi contain it, like, Okay, if I
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Speaker 2: don't do this, my anxiety stays a little better. If
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Speaker 2: I do this, I'm safer. It was like this, avoiding
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Speaker 2: land mines essentially for a lot of my life. Actually,
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Speaker 2: that's really exciting. I feel my spine straightened as I
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Speaker 2: say that, because I don't do that so much anymore.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and that was my life from twenty one
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Speaker 2: till how old am I forty almost forty eight, so
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Speaker 2: until forty six, forty five. It's gotten better since yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's gotten much better. But it's just amazing the toll
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Speaker 2: it could take. If someone would have told me at
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Speaker 2: twenty one. The trajectory, the length of time, Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what I would have it would
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Speaker 2: have I would have given up, I think if I
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Speaker 2: knew it would take so long. And of course it's
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Speaker 2: been a journey and it's been beautiful and I've managed
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Speaker 2: to create a beautiful life. And I was able. You know,
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Speaker 2: I had children, I have children, I have two daughters. Like,
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Speaker 2: there's so many beautiful things, but it is not what
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Speaker 2: I pictured my life being. I'll tell you that.
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Speaker 1: Was there a point to me or a person that
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Speaker 1: you encountered, some help you encountered that made a difference.
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Speaker 2: Oh I wish so much. I was so desperate for
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Speaker 2: like a mentor or some sort of wise person to
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Speaker 2: take me and just scoop me up and say right
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Speaker 2: and there. I want to I don't want to be
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Speaker 2: so like cynical there was no one, because that's not accurate.
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Speaker 2: But I think for me, it's been a lot about
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Speaker 2: finding the wisdom within and to be a little bit cliche,
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Speaker 2: reclaiming my power instead of seeking looking for answers outside
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Speaker 2: of myself, which was my absolute go to, to give
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Speaker 2: away my power and trust someone else's. So yes, there
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Speaker 2: were really beautiful people along the way, but until recently
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say there was anyone in particular.
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Speaker 1: That that Yeah, when you're going through something like that,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can't. I don't think we
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Speaker 1: can follow ourselves for wanting to find someone who can say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're not crazy. You know you look because we're like,
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Speaker 1: what the f is going on? We're you know, how
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Speaker 1: did you find that within you? What did you want?
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Speaker 1: Were some of the things you did?
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Speaker 2: I know because this is before I mean the Internet.
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Speaker 2: I hate dating myself like this, but yeah, the Internet
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Speaker 2: was barely a thing. Like it was not everyone had it.
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Speaker 2: There certainly weren't podcasts or this this plethora of information
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Speaker 2: that we have now, which I'm incredibly grateful for. So
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Speaker 2: it was finding these yeah, little pockets of people really
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Speaker 2: is staying connected to like my friend Coleene, who is
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Speaker 2: the one that that my boyfriend's mom that was so instrumental,
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Speaker 2: and even my boyfriend at the time, Andy he they
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Speaker 2: were they were just such important pieces. Actually, maybe I
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Speaker 2: could look at it like to help me at least
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Speaker 2: get through to the next piece, to the next to
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Speaker 2: where I could find my next not journey There's a
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Speaker 2: book by an author named Anne Lama, and she talks
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Speaker 2: about leaping across a pond more or less on lily pads,
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Speaker 2: And it very much felt like that, like I would
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Speaker 2: have to jump to one lily pad before the next
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Speaker 2: one would appear, And just there was of this blind
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Speaker 2: faith and not giving up though many times I very
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Speaker 2: much wanted to give up.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like such valuable wisdom to now share with
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Speaker 1: the people you're working with. So let's jump ahead. So
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Speaker 1: you got to a point where what you started seeing clients,
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Speaker 1: did you work in a facility, open your own private practice?
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Speaker 2: What I did? So after I just after I think
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Speaker 2: I was pregnant or home with my second baby, and
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Speaker 2: I knew that teaching. I was feeling like I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do something different, but I wasn't sure what. And
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Speaker 2: then it occurred to me through a series of events,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I know about anxiety. Like I'm finally
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Speaker 2: at a place where I feel like I have something
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Speaker 2: to offer about anxiety and some support I have to offer.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, with the support of my partner at the time,
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Speaker 2: I went back to school and got my master's degree
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Speaker 2: and then open yeah private practice in Boise.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say that's where my life really started. Actually,
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Speaker 2: let me back up. In two thousand and six, while
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Speaker 2: I was still teaching, I also found a great therapist
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Speaker 2: who just recently retired.
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Speaker 3: Ouch.
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Speaker 1: I've had that experience. So when you here yourself is
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Speaker 1: sharing this talking about this, I'm thinking that, my god,
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Speaker 1: there's so much there, There's so much insight wisdom. How
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Speaker 1: do you use your experience ali to communicate to the
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Speaker 1: people you see? What do you offer them? And as
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Speaker 1: a kind of an aside to that, how comfortable do
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Speaker 1: you feel sharing your own experiences with your client?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that question guy a lot, because I
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Speaker 2: think about it a lot. Because my my, you could
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Speaker 2: call it my spiritual belief system. We are all human,
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Speaker 2: and I do believe it in the interconnectedness of us all.
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Speaker 2: You know, my ethics, my my licensed professional counselor ethics,
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Speaker 2: are you know, careful with how much you disclose and
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Speaker 2: always trying to use my if my self disclosure if
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Speaker 2: I choose to in a really careful, well thought out way,
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Speaker 2: and oftentimes when I'm sitting across from someone who's sharing
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Speaker 2: some of the most painful experiences of their lives, if
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's useful. I'm really comfortable sharing my story. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I hope to. I do hope to put it together
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Speaker 2: at some point in some sort of offering. Probably a
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Speaker 2: book would be the best way, but still deciding about that.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, what's the point of going through this if
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Speaker 2: you can't help someone else who's gone through it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I appreciate sharing that, and I agree,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I mean, I think we
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Speaker 1: also have to mention that there are philosophy's who completely
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Speaker 1: are empathetical to that. They don't recommend or advise sharing anything.
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Speaker 1: And granted, you know, each person's different and each client
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Speaker 1: is different and context is different and so forth. But
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Speaker 1: for me, I mean, people who are going through hardships
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Speaker 1: like that, horror even, they need a human being, you know,
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Speaker 1: not just someone who's going to nod their head and
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Speaker 1: say yes, you know, how do you feel or how
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Speaker 1: does it make you feel? Or say more?
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Speaker 3: I mean that's crucial. Yeah, sure, you know, it's so vital.
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Speaker 3: So what is it about sematic experiencing for you? How
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Speaker 3: did you encounter that?
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Speaker 1: How did you come upon that?
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Speaker 2: That's also one of my favorite questions. I saw doctor
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Speaker 2: Peter Levine speak in Portland, Oregon in twenty sixteen. His
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Speaker 2: book was recommended to me by a physical therapist in
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Speaker 2: Boise as a matter of fact, and it was immediate
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Speaker 2: that I knew I wanted to do the program, which
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Speaker 2: didn't make sense because I just recently graduated from my
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Speaker 2: master's degree and it was like, well, let's make some
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Speaker 2: money and then pay for another training. But because I knew.
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Speaker 1: Was just waking the Tiger book.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first one I was introduced to. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and kind of think we had also, I think probably,
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Speaker 2: well it was actually, now that I think about it.
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Speaker 2: Bessel vander Kolk's book also came out around that time,
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Speaker 2: maybe twenty fifteen, and that was oh no, that was
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Speaker 2: even earlier because that's when I realized, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: I don't just have anxiety, I have trauma. I'm listening,
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Speaker 2: I'm having a lot of stories come up. I'll try
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Speaker 2: to keep it brief. My mom is not alive anymore,
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Speaker 2: but she was a really lovely alcoholic and so in therapy,
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Speaker 2: some of the things we worked on was the theme
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Speaker 2: of alcoholism and growing up with an alcoholic parent, and
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Speaker 2: that kind of resonated. But then when I read Bessel's book,
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Speaker 2: it things clicked that had never clicked before. And there
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Speaker 2: was a part of me going, why in the hell
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Speaker 2: am I resonating with war veterans. Why does the description
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Speaker 2: of these traumatic experiences in this book? Why do I
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Speaker 2: get that? And when in my own therapy, I said, so, hey,
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Speaker 2: here's what's coming up for me, Like, I feel like
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Speaker 2: anxiety is pretty well managed now, but what the hell
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Speaker 2: is this? Like, I think I have trauma, and through
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Speaker 2: a very careful exploration, we discovered the sexual abuse over
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Speaker 2: time and slowly. But yeah, gosh, it's such a it's
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Speaker 2: such an important so somatic experiencing. I think once I
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Speaker 2: realized that I had trauma, I was looking for solutions.
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Speaker 2: Not solutions, I guess, but I was looking for support.
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Speaker 2: And I had used EMDR and I really had EMDR
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Speaker 2: was really useful for me. But somatic experiencing has been transformative.
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Speaker 2: I think you and I have talked a little bit
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Speaker 2: about this. But I wouldn't take elevators. I wouldn't fly
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Speaker 2: on airplanes after I started to have panic attacks. That
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Speaker 2: was one of the consequences of avoidance. Like one of
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Speaker 2: the things that I some of the things I chose
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Speaker 2: to eliminate, to eliminate anxiety or at least lesson and
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Speaker 2: sematic experiencing has been integral in building my capacity to
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Speaker 2: tolerate distress essentially and work with my nervous system instead
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Speaker 2: of being sort of at its mercy And I just
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Speaker 2: and the training I just went to. I just flew
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Speaker 2: and it was like the best flight yet since I
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Speaker 2: started flying again. And I took elevate, I wrote on elevators. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so why somatic experiencing. Besides the community, I love the
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Speaker 2: community dearly. It feels like it's got some I think
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Speaker 2: the roots of it, as i've heard Peter Levine described,
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Speaker 2: they're not from him. He's just synthesized and collected and
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Speaker 2: done so much research and put it together in a
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Speaker 2: way that provides healing opportunities for all of us. And
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Speaker 2: I think it does empower the individual from within. Although
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's important to note I had this person,
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Speaker 2: a professional suicideologist, say to me recently somatic experiencing, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, kind of dissing it basically, and he said,
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Speaker 2: you know, animals don't get traumatized. And I was like, well,
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Speaker 2: that's not exactly the premise Peter's question was animals in
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Speaker 2: the wild don't get traumatized, and he said that trauma's
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Speaker 2: a phobia of memories. And I didn't engage in an
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Speaker 2: argue meant with this person because the setting was not
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Speaker 2: appropriate for that. But it feels so it felt really
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Speaker 2: dismissive and demeaning to have it be afraid of memories.
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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? No, that's not at all what
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Speaker 2: it is. So another part of wanting to share my
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Speaker 2: story and my love for somatic experiencing is educating about
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Speaker 2: like what trauma and kind of challenging these myths about
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Speaker 2: what it's not.
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Speaker 1: Like what you said about as see, helping you kind
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Speaker 1: of work with being control of or help manage your
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Speaker 1: nervous system rather than be at the mercy of That's
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Speaker 1: that's really important distinction.
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Speaker 2: Man. I just wanted anxiety to go away. I just
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Speaker 2: like for so many years, I just wanted to go
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Speaker 2: back to who I was and then to go, oh,
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Speaker 2: this isn't about I'm not ever going to be able
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Speaker 2: to go back to who I was when I was
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Speaker 2: fearless in seventeen. This is about becoming and not grieving
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Speaker 2: process in itself. But I think that is if you
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Speaker 2: can step into that path, it's rewarding, not easy, but rewarding.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think I've said this, you have such
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Speaker 1: an incredible way of articulating your story and sharing your story.
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Speaker 1: It's very personal and again I think it's a treasure
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Speaker 1: trove of information to provide to your clients. How right,
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Speaker 1: professionally you could do that, but not everyone do that.
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Speaker 1: Having said that, how are you working with clients now?
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Speaker 1: Are you? Is it just one on one? Is it
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Speaker 1: group or what?
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Speaker 2: So? Now I'm actually working in sort of a medical setting,
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Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll be working with the emergency department in
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Speaker 2: the town I'm in soon, which I'm really excited about
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Speaker 2: because I think somatic experiencing is so valuable in those
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Speaker 2: really early crises situations. And I do see clients or
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Speaker 2: patients at the setting. I just have a real limited
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Speaker 2: reach right now with my individual sessions. So yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: So as we kind of wind down here the podcast
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Speaker 1: sneaky powerful, where are we with that? Yes?
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Speaker 2: So I've taken a couple of pauses just because of
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Speaker 2: these other the jobs that I've been doing in the
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Speaker 2: trainings I've been assisting at exactly like what I'm impressed
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Speaker 2: by your skills, guys, better to do it. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I have two episodes waiting to be published. I guess,
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Speaker 2: so it's now. It's not as regular as I would like,
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Speaker 2: but I still love it. They're just such conversations with
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Speaker 2: such amazing people.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, and that is Sneaky Powerful podcast. We'll have
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Speaker 1: that linked up here at the show notes page at
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Speaker 1: the Trauma Theapist podcast dot com. Ali, how do people
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Speaker 1: reach you? What's the best way?
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Speaker 2: A good way is, let's see, I'm inconsistent, but I
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Speaker 2: do check my Instagram and I'm on there at Sneaky
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Speaker 2: Powerful and then actually there is an email that's connected
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Speaker 2: to my Sneaky Powerful it's just Ali at Sneaky Powerful
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Speaker 2: dot com. Okay, and then through the se website I'm
28:54
Speaker 2: on there as well. Okay, all right, but yeah I
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Speaker 2: still love to connect.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, awesome, Well look great having you back here.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You are welcome back anytime and
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Speaker 1: we'll be in touch.
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Speaker 2: That sounds great, Thank you guys.
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Speaker 1: Thanks bye, bye bye