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You Should Press Your Face Against a Hot Stove! · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: You should press your face against a hot stove. It's
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  Speaker 1: one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to, whatever that is. But before we
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  Speaker 2: get to it, I was listening to NPR driving to
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  Speaker 2: work today. What does it always say about listening to NPR.
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  Speaker 3: I do that to punish myself for the bad things
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  Speaker 3: I've done.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, whatever the devout Catholics are who whip themselves
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  Speaker 2: with the beads to make themselves guys. Yeah, yeah, that's what.
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  Speaker 2: That's what listening to NPR is if you don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, they were doing a story about how orchestras,
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  Speaker 2: classical music orchestras are struggling all around the country in
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  Speaker 2: various cities. Are just people Millennials are killing orchestras like
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  Speaker 2: millennials killed China and bedspreads. People just aren't as interests.
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  Speaker 2: People just aren't as interested in going to see live
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  Speaker 2: classical music at their local venue anymore. And they talked
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  Speaker 2: on NPR as if this is something that needs to
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  Speaker 2: always exist. Of course, so let's just get to the
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  Speaker 2: how do we support it? Part? And I was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: and the reason I wanted to ask joke is because
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  Speaker 2: Joe's actually a classical music fan. I am not. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think it's something that needs to continue or is
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  Speaker 2: it like any other music it comes and goes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of jazz, but like going back
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  Speaker 2: to the early twentieth century, ragtime was the biggest thing
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  Speaker 2: in the country for like thirty years. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was the number one music absolutely everywhere. Then it disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, things come and go. Is now classical music
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  Speaker 2: has been around for much longer than thirty years. But
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  Speaker 2: is this a crisis if people just aren't interested in
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  Speaker 2: hearing classical music from their local orchestra.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, boy, the thing I teased
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  Speaker 1: will do another day, because you have opened a can
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  Speaker 1: of verms, okay, which is almost classical music.
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  Speaker 3: Joke there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that is a great, great question. We were recording
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  Speaker 1: this shortly after we wrapped up the radio show for
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  Speaker 1: the day, in which we were discussing Chesterton's fence, the
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  Speaker 1: idea that you don't remove a fence until you know
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  Speaker 1: one why that fence was there. It's one of the
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  Speaker 1: tenets of conservatism and how a lot of standards of
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  Speaker 1: decency and manners and all sorts of stuff have eroded
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  Speaker 1: in society and a lot of those customs might not
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  Speaker 1: have been that it wasn't clear why they were important.
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  Speaker 1: But as they evaporate, you see more and more bad
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  Speaker 1: behavior of all sorts of kind. It's like the broken
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  Speaker 1: windows policing. Rudy Giuliani advocated, an end of decency in
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  Speaker 1: a few of these realms will usher in an end
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  Speaker 1: of decency in this realm, which is not getting your
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  Speaker 1: head caved in for your stuff. And it's not always
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  Speaker 1: easy to draw a line how you got from one
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  Speaker 1: place to another, but that's, you know, that's the principle
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  Speaker 1: that we were discussing. I think, and I haven't really
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  Speaker 1: thought about this much because it's a really good question.
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  Speaker 1: I think this might be the other side of that
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  Speaker 1: same coin. There is value in preserving the most important
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  Speaker 1: and exquisite art forms.
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  Speaker 3: Whether I can tell you exactly why or not.
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree to that to the point that you
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  Speaker 2: think taxpayers should keep orchestras going in cities, even if people,
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  Speaker 2: even if there's not enough money in it, not enough
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  Speaker 2: people are interested to go and make it self supporting.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And these traxes should be taken from Rubes by
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  Speaker 1: force if necessary.
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  Speaker 2: The sort of route it's going to buy the Haktua
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  Speaker 2: Girl's latest album and a T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I love this question, because it's
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  Speaker 1: causing me to go up against some of my beliefs
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  Speaker 1: about taxation and government and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You seem to have a comment.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, classical music.
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  Speaker 4: I used to listen to it when I was studying
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  Speaker 4: growing up, and because I'm one of those people where
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  Speaker 4: I always have music on and I because silence makes
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  Speaker 4: me uncomfortable, so I always have something going on in
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  Speaker 4: the background.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have ADD or ADHD, either one of those. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So people that have that, because I've got a friend
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  Speaker 2: who got their PhD has ADD, they have to have
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  Speaker 2: music on in the background or they can't concentrate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: the opposite most of the time. I want it silent,
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  Speaker 2: fun in a concentrate, but I don't have ADD.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety seven and a half percent of the time I
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  Speaker 1: was studying in high school and college A had music going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent certain I would have gotten diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: in elementary school one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, getting back to the classical music thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on an I SI classical music. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan. I don't know seek it
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  Speaker 2: out or listen to it regularly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, Well this is again for like the
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  Speaker 1: fourth time. This is a great question that goes to
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  Speaker 1: the role of government and taxation and the rest of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you.
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  Speaker 1: Openly make that part of your platform, that if we
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  Speaker 1: all kick in a tiny bit, we can have this
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  Speaker 1: really great stuff because just in the current economy of
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  Speaker 1: entertainment and art, it's very difficult for classical music to
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  Speaker 1: be self sustaining because it is so expensive to produce live.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, god yeah, I have never even thought about that.
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  Speaker 2: If horn sections have gone away from bands over the years,
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  Speaker 2: because there's no way you can have a band that
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  Speaker 2: plays that pays you know, four horn players, Well then
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  Speaker 2: how about one hundred people with twenty you know, violin
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  Speaker 2: players or whatever. Of course that doesn't work out money.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm always talking about how, you know, the the
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  Speaker 2: generations die off, and then there won't be anybody who
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  Speaker 2: even remembers the past with a variety of things. I
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  Speaker 2: always talk about customer service or whatever. Well, I'll bet
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  Speaker 2: a lot of your wealthy, older patrons who cared about
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  Speaker 2: classical music are dying off, and your next group of
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  Speaker 2: rich people they don't care about classical music, so that's
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  Speaker 2: not what they're giving money.
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  Speaker 1: Too, right, Yeah, yeah, and so I guess you know,
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  Speaker 1: my answer would be the same as any other government
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  Speaker 1: policy that costs any money, if you are open about, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're dedicating this amount of the budget to this stuff
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  Speaker 1: because we think it's important for these reasons. And then
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  Speaker 1: you stand for election the next time, and and or
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  Speaker 1: you hear from your constituents so much this is a
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  Speaker 1: waste of taxpayer money.
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  Speaker 3: You got to stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather give it to the you know, the school
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  Speaker 1: lunch program or whatever. That's a legitimate function of democracy.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to see it continue because I think
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  Speaker 1: it is the the highest form of musical creativity. It's
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  Speaker 1: and it takes effort to get it, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like the difference between a mud hut.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a condescending comment that insinuates that if
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  Speaker 2: people don't like classical music, they're just not trying hard
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  Speaker 2: enough or unwilling to put in the effort. That's what
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  Speaker 2: you were saying.
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  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't not at all. No.
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  Speaker 1: No, It's like no, no, And that was an insulting,
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  Speaker 1: an idiotic thing to say.
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  Speaker 3: Your turn, Who.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like better Batch or beef ovene.
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  Speaker 1: You are a subhuman and I would like to see
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  Speaker 1: you plead Batch clearly.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm a Beethoven guy. No.
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  Speaker 1: What I was trying to say is appreciating classical music
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  Speaker 1: is a lot like appreciating a skyscraper. I was about
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  Speaker 1: to say, classical music is to other forms of music
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  Speaker 1: as like a woodshack is to a skyscraper, in that
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  Speaker 1: a guy like me has to be like led along
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  Speaker 1: by an architect or an engineer to understand how astonishing
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  Speaker 1: skyscraper is.
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  Speaker 4: It's a tall building. You just pot one floor on
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  Speaker 4: top of the other. You know, I would say, because
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  Speaker 4: I don't really understand that stuff. If you get a
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  Speaker 4: little tutorial in classical music and learn to appreciate it,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing, but it takes effort.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with lou Reed one chords, All you need two
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  Speaker 2: is okay? Three year into jazz.
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  Speaker 3: I will.
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  Speaker 1: I've always loved that saying, and I will also for
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  Speaker 1: what it's worth. Many times when I'm feeling I need
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  Speaker 1: to get my rock on, I'll throw on the Sex Pistols.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind the Bullocks. It's one of my favorite albums.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, should should it be supported by taxpayers.
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  Speaker 1: It's up to the taxpayers, clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Or I guess the bigger crime question is is it
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  Speaker 2: a like a real cultural crime to have it go
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  Speaker 2: away because it's not as popular anymore?
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  Speaker 1: You vote, Yeah, there's there's one point so obvious. I
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  Speaker 1: almost skipped over it. But the recordings exist, and the
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  Speaker 1: scores exist, and the video exists, and so it's not
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  Speaker 1: as good as live. But somebody could, certainly if they
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  Speaker 1: were running against me, Joe the orchestra fan running for
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  Speaker 1: mayor versus Jack, this is a waste of money fan,
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  Speaker 1: you could absolutely make the case that. Look, if you're
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  Speaker 1: into Beethoven, there's exquisite surround sound four K videos of
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  Speaker 1: the Berlin Philharmonic playing him ten years ago. That's good enough.
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  Speaker 1: We need money for other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And then the people go to the polls and they vote.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I've never been in like an orchestra with like
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  Speaker 2: many violins or anything like that, but I played in
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  Speaker 2: you know, like high school band sort of orchestra, and man,
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  Speaker 2: you get everybody playing a piece and everything like that live,
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  Speaker 2: just sitting in it as the trumpet player. It's awesome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the way just there's no speaker system that
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  Speaker 2: can replicate that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some really good spatial sound production, like surround sound,
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  Speaker 1: where you get a sense of all, right, this sound
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  Speaker 1: is coming from that direction, this one's coming from the
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  Speaker 1: other one. It's difficult to simulate what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: be in a symphony hall hearing that, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it moves the air the same
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  Speaker 2: way the banging a drum, a timpany or a tuba.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever, but I don't know, right, And the there's
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  Speaker 1: a certain breathlessness you get when they go full pianismo,
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  Speaker 1: which means the quietest quiet, when you go from Beethoven's
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  Speaker 1: full bomb bast down to everybody's afraid to breathe because
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  Speaker 1: it's one violin playing something exquisitely soft. It's incredibly dramatic.
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  Speaker 3: But again, let the taxpayers aside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, yes, Michael.
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  Speaker 3: Now I was going to share a very special classical
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  Speaker 3: piece of music. Do you remember or this?
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  Speaker 2: I know where this is going? Hit it? Yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: fifth of Beethoven Disco Beethoven Man, when everything had to
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  Speaker 2: be disco. I like this. Oh it's cool.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't believe in snobbery. I don't like snobbery.
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  Speaker 1: I try never to be a snob. I might appreciate
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  Speaker 1: certain things more less than you do. I try not
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  Speaker 1: to be a snob. Do me a favor. If you say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Joe's coming over, why don't we put on some classical music,
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  Speaker 1: and you throw on the opening movement of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony,
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  Speaker 1: I'm walking out. Okay, okay, it's the You like Zeppelin.
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  Speaker 1: I like Zeppelin. You know Stairway to Heaven. Yes, I know,
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  Speaker 1: Staring Heaven. Yeah, they're the best band ever. Stairway to
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  Speaker 1: Heaven's a great song.
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  Speaker 3: I know it is. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You say you don't like to be a snob.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would never call anybody on it. I
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  Speaker 1: would not because that would be being a dick.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.