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Sarah Kellen And The 302 Interview With The FBI (5/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to start taking
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  a look at the Sarah Kellen three point two profer
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  that she gave to the FBI, and this proffer was
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  given on April twenty third of twenty twenty. Redacted date
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  of birth, Redacted was interviewed pursuing to a proffer agreement
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  at Redacted. Present for the interview was Redacted's attorney legal
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  team including redacted along with Ausa Redacted, Ausa redacted and redacted,
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  and special Agent redacted. After being advised of the identities
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  of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview,
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  Redacted provided the following information. Redacted wanted to provide clarification
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  from her last interview in regards to when she first
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  learned about the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, saying that her
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  feelings were a progression. Redacted received a payment from Epstein
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  in late twenty eighteen. In September twenty fourteen, Redacted and
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  Redacted renovated their apartment. Redacted and Redacted were left with
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  a gutted apartment and they could not get a bank loan.
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  When Redacted stopped working for Epstein. They still talked regularly
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  and visited together when he was in town. Redacted spoke
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  to Epstein monthly. Redacted spoke to Epstein about their situation.
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  Redacted asked Redacted to borrow money from Epstein. They were
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  waiting for stocks to go public, but it kept getting delayed.
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  At the end of November twenty eighteen, Redacted met Epstein
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  at his New York house and told them about their financials,
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  saying that she only had one hundred thousand in her
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  bank account. While Redacted was meeting with Epstein, he picked
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  up the phone and called his accountant, Richard Kahn, to
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  wire her two hundred and fifty thousand. This meeting with
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  Epstein happened because Leslie Groff told her to come and
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  meet him if she was in New York. Ebstein told
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  Redacted not to tell anyone about giving her the money,
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  but did not tell her why she should not tell anyone.
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  Redacted assumed it was because Epstein did not want Redacted
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  to feel bad about it. Redacted and Redacted kept separate finances.
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  Epstein also gave Redacted one hundred thousand when redacted. Redacted
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  did not think she received other money from Epstein. Redacted
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  told redacted and redacted about having received the money from Epstein.
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  Redacted called redacted and told her that he gave her
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  one hundred thousand. Redacted then told her Redacted that Epstein
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  gave her money as well. Redacted told redacted that Epstein
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  called her and asked her if she could use or
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  needed money. Redacted thought that Epstein was just feeling generous
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  with them. Next section. Redacted Redacted with see Epstein once
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  every couple months, depending on where they both were at
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  the time. Redacted told Epstein that it was rough. Epstein
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  came to Miami to meet with an architect and help.
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  Redacted thought this was in early twenty eighteen. Months before
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  their conversation in November, Redacted had asked Epstein to come
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  to her apartment in Miami. Redacted gave Epstein a rundown
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  of the renovation, burn rate and cash. Epstein told them
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  he did not see how they could keep the apartment,
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  saying it did not all add up. Epstein told her
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  that she cannot put her head in the sand. Redacted.
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  Epstein told redacted that she would always be safe and
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  he would always take care of her. Epstein sent redacted
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  an email one saying one hundred percent safe. Redacted brought
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  up the financial discussion with Epstein. Redacted did not know
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  what Epstein wanted to talk to her about. When Groff called,
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  Redacted did not ask Epstein for money. Epstein had another
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  meeting after he met with redacted. Redacted thankd Epstein and
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  sent an email after thanking him. Redacted lent the money
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  to Redacted. Redacted did not report the money on taxes.
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  Acted was not sure how reporting the taxes worked. Redacted
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  understanding was that Epstein would have to pay the taxes
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  on the money he gave her. In April twenty eighteen,
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  Redacted was aware of a reporter looking into Epstein the
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  day the article in the Miami Herald came out. She
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  had been aware that someone was looking into Abstein. The
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  article came out before Redacted met with Epstein in November.
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  Redacted thought that she and Epstein may have acknowledged it,
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  but did not talk about it in depth. Redacted remembered
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  skimming through the article and did not remember what she
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  and Epstein talked about the article. It was not a
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  topic of conversation. Redacted did not think they talked about
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  it afterwards either. Redacted and Redacted talked about it, but
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  did not talk specifically about the article. Redacted and Redacted
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  wanted to figure out the best way to tell their
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  own stories. Redacted had thought about writing a book and
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  told Epstein, in which he told her it was a
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  good idea. Redacted did not associate the two one hundred
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  and fifty thousand she received from Epstein to the article
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  from the Miami Herald because Epstein was always generous to people.
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  Redacted was stressed about her finances and felt Epstein was
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  trying to be helpful. Redacted did not know that she
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  viewed it any difference. Currently, Redacted had told Epstein that
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  a journalist reached out. Redacted did not recall Epstein saying
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  anything about it. Epstein did not tell Redacted not to
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  talk to anyone. The first time Redacted or remembered being
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  on the island after Redacted, Epstein asked her to make
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  him a bath and told her to get in with him.
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  Redacted was sitting across from Epstein when he told her
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  that Redacted redacted. Epstein took Redacted to the bed and
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  she sat facing him. Epstein directed or Redacted on what
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  to do and how to touch him. Epstein masturbated. Redacted
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  took this to mean that she had to perform sexual favors.
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  After this incident, Redacted had a lot of sexual contact
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  with Epstein. It was pretty often, It varied and happened
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  in all locations. Epstein would wake Redacted up by beginning
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  to fondle her. There were some situations that involved other people.
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  The first time another person was present, it was Glenn Maxwell.
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  Epstein was laying down, Maxwell was touching Redacted and instructing
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  her on what to do. Maxwell told her Redacted where
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  to touch Epstein and how to touch him. Before Epstein
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  went to jail. The first time was the last time
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  Redacted had any type of sexual contact with him. Epstein
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  would ask Redacted to come over and sleep in his bed.
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  Epstein called Redacted his human water bottle. The sexual contact
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  with Epstein phased out after Epstein went to jail. Redacted
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  did not sleep in his bed anymore. The majority of time,
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  the sexual contact would begin with Epstein waking Redacted up
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  by fondling her. Epstein would direct Redacted by grabbing her
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  hand to follow him to his room. Epstein would lay
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  down and masturbate. Sometimes Epstein would touch Redacted, tell her
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  how to sit and had to move her head. Epstein
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  would ask Redacted to give him a blowjob. In Palm Beach,
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  Epstein and Redacted were working out in the cabana. Epstein
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  was on the bike while Redacted was doing sit ups.
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  Epstein turned the music up loud and put the Hurricane
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  shutters up. Epstein basically aggressively raped Redacted. Epstein pulled Redacted's
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  pants down and had intercourse with her. This was the
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  only time Redacted remembered him having intercourse with her. There
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  were two other times besides the time when Maxwell, where
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  other people were present during the sexual encounters. There was
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  a time on the island where Redacted was present. Redacted
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  remembered being on the bed with her while Epstein directed them.
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  There was a time in New York where Redacted was present.
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  Epstein asked both of them to come over, and it
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  led to a similar situation as it happened on the
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  island with Redacted. In Palm Beach, the sexual contact with
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  Epstein happened, and Redacted the gym and those she couldnot
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  picture it. Redacted was sure that it also happened in
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  his room in New York. Epstein would call Redacted over
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  to sleep with them, usually at night. Epstein's cold word
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  was cold cheats. In the beginning, Epstein would have Redacted
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  sleepover and it turned sexual when Epstein was with Maxwell.
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  Redacted or recall being afraid that Maxwell would find out
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  because redacted worked in her building. Redacted thought that when
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  Epstein started dating redacted, he just had Redacted sleep with
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  them with no sexual contact. On the island. The sexual
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  contact occurred in Maxwell's bedroom. There were also times Redacted
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  would draw Epstein baths and she would be in the
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  bath and that would lead her to the bedroom. Maxwell
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  had approximately four girls, including redacted or redacted and redacted
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  on the island. For Epstein's birthday. Maxwell asked them to
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  get naked and wrap themselves in saran wrap. Maxwell took photos.
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  Maxwell had massage tables brought down to the beach. Max
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  and Epstein got on the table with the women surrounding
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  them while she took a photo. All the women were topless.
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  Maxwell also had them paint on their breasts to put
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  on a canvass to give to Epstein. Redacted thought this
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  happened around January of two thousand and two in Paris.
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  Epstein would have Redacted sleep in his bed Epstein would
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  direct Redacted on what to do, how to sit, where
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  to put her shoulders, and had to put her head
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  so that he could not see her face. Epstein told
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  her that he did not want to see her face.
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  Epstein wanted his nipples rubbed. Redacted stayed with him in Paris.
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  Redacted or recalled Epstein leading her to his bed in
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  New Mexico. Most encounters in Epstein's bed were with Epstein masturbating.
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  Redacted did not recall revolving around the massage room or
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  during a massage. Epstein asked redacted to give them two
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  full proper body massages, once on the island with a
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  massuse and once on the ranch when no missuse was available.
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  Redacted massage Epstein's feet all the time, along with rubbing
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  his shoulders and cracking his back. Redacted described Epstein directing
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  her meant that he would tell her how to touch him,
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  where to touch him, and how to sit. Sometimes Epstein
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  would touch redacted. Redacted recalled being around during approximately two
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  thousand and two. Two thousand and three, Redacted was present
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  for a sexual encounter on the island. Redacted viewed redacted
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  as Epstein's girlfriend. Redacted thought Redacted was a redacted and
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  thought Redacted to be in her twenties during this time.
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  Redacted or called redacted being around during approximately two thousand
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  and two and two thousand and three. Redacted did not
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  know how Redacted met Epstein. Redacted traveled a lot when
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  redacted had started. Redacted thought redacted was in college viewed
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  as Epstein's girlfriend. The sexual encounter involving Maxwell happened very
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  early on, but did not happen the first time Redacted
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  met them. This happened when Redacted came back. Redacted did
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  not remember how it started, but recalled being on the bed.
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  Maxwell was naked and told Redacted that Epstein liked his
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  nipples rubbed. Maxwell told Redacted that Epstein liked to liked
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  how to touch him. Maxwell was rubbing his nipples. Maxwell
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  touch redacted. Maxwell. Redacted did not talk about it afterwards.
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  Maxwell always made comments and jokes about sex. She was
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  outwardly very open about it. Maxwell said she had gone
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  to a blowjob class. Maxwell offered to demonstrate what she learned.
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  Maxwell discussed this very generally out at the common table.
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  Redacted did not remember who was all present for the conversation.
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  Redacted did not know if Maxwell engaged in other sexual
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  contact with other women. When Redacted first started, Maxwell made
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  a comment to her saying, listen to what Jeffrey says.
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  He knows what he's doing. He's very successful. You do
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  well to listen to what he has to say. During
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  the sexual encounters with Epstein, Redacted felt ashamed. Redacted was
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  nervous and scared, not sure what was going to happen.
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  Redacted did not feel that she had a choice. Redacted
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  did not know where else to go. Maxwell made comments
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  about other girlfriends being trash. Redacted did not want Maxwell
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  to put her in that category because she did not
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  want redacted. Maxwell was Epstein's girlfriend. Maxwell approved of the bills,
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  ran all of Epstein's houses, and was in control of everything.
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  Redacted never told anyone what happened. Redacted felt ashamed and
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  buried it deep down. Redacted did not know who to tell.
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  All of redacted friends were through Epstein. Redacted could not
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  tell any of her boyfriends because they would get rid
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  of her. One of her redacted previous boyfriends was Epstein's paralegal,
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  who she met through Epstein. Redacted thought that maybe there
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  were times that there was not sexual contact. Once she
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  traveled with Epstein between two thousand and two to two
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  thousand and five, but it happened more than not. Redacted
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  described at the time where she and Epstein were in
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  the gym was the first time she saw him being aggressive.
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  Epstein seemed to have a rage about him. It was
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  unexpected and out of the blue to redacted. Redacted had
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  no conversations about sexual boundaries with Epstein. Redacted did not
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  want to have contact with them. Redacted described Epstein as overpowering,
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  ominous figure. Redacted could feel Epstein's wrath if she did
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  not do what he wanted. Epstein was mad at redacted
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  when she booked a car rental and she did not
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  do exactly as he said. Redacted saw him yell at
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  Maxwell and Redacted. Epstein dictated Redacted's hairstyle color and silent
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  clothes that she wore. Epstein had redacted dire hair blonde,
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  cut it to a boycut, and have bangs. Sometimes Epstein
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  would go to the salon and tell them what to
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  do to her hair. Epstein would buy redacted clothes. If
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  Redacted wore clothes that Epstein did not like, he would
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  talk to her when she got them. When Redacted ball closed,
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  she would show Epstein to get his approval. Epstein also
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  directed to redacted redacted or redacted or redacted and Redacted.
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  Epstein commented on Redacted's weight. Epstein would tell her Redacted
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  to lay off the brownies and tell her she should
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  go to the gym. Epstein generally made comments to others
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  as well, including redacted. Redacted would go to Epstein to
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  get approval for every decision she made. Redacted renovated the
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  guest apartment and went to him to get approval for it.
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  Epstein knew that Redacted had boyfriends because she talked about them.
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  Epstein gave his opinion to her about them. Epstein told
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  her that one of them was a loser and she
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  needed to break up with them. Epstein mostly put her
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  boyfriends down. Epstein still had sexual contact with Redacted while
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  she had boyfriends Redacted. Time with Epstein was a whirlwind,
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  and they were constantly traveling. Epstein controlled where Redacted lived
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  and where she went. They travel every three days. In
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  twenty ten, Epstein was released from jail and Redacted's responsibilities increased.
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  Epstein did not have a chef at this time, so
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  Redacted was responsible for food when they traveled. Redacted was
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  renovating and decorating the rooms on the island and all
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  the apartments at three oh one East sixty sixth Street
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  in New York. After Epstein was released, Redacted did not
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  recall setting up or scheduling massages for Epstein. Epstein was
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  still getting massages. Epstein traveled with a masseuse who was redacted.
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  Redacted did not recall if there was any other messuse.
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  In twenty twelve, Redacted met redacted. Epstein was not involved
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  in their meeting each other. When Redacted met redacted, she
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  began traveling with them. Redacted set up a design business.
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  Epstein told Redacted she could still help with the renovations.
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  The first people Redacted told about sexual encounters with Epstein
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  were her lawyers and then her therapist. Redacted have two
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  conversations with Epstein about writing a book. There was no
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  conversation about putting the sexual experience in that book. From
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  twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen, Redacted received two large payments
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  one hundred thousand and two hundred and fifty thousand from Epstein.
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  Redacted had to sign a healthcare proxy so that if
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  anything happened to her, Maxwell and Epstein would be responsible
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  for her well being. They did not want her family
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  to be responsible. Redacted thought that this was Maxwell's idea,
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  but she was not sure. Redacted also had to sign
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  a confidentiality agreement. Redacted visited Epstein when he was under
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  house arrest in Palm Beach. Epstein would get massages from
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  Redacted or whoever was traveling. Epstein paid for lawyers for Redacted.
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  One of the lawyers was redacted. This was after Epstein
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  went to jail and there was civil suits. Redacted thought
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  that she may have been deposed while he was in jail.
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  When Redacted had a lawsuit against Maxwell. Redacted was told
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  by Epstein's in house counsel, Darren Endike, to find the
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  lawyer and Epstein would pay for it. Redacted paid for
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  some of the expenses of the lawyer. The lawyer was redacted,
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  but he eventually stopped representing redacted because he wasn't getting paid. Redacted.
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  Not all subject matter was discussed during the course of
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  this interview. Dates and times are approximate. All right, folks, there.
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  It is one of the three h two reports from
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  Sarah Kellen Vickers and her interview with the FBI. All
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  in the description box.