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Dillon Dingler Stakes Claim As Baseball's Best Catcher · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Troy Tiger's podcast. I am Kieren Steckley
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  Speaker 1: with me as always as a man who is witnessed
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  Speaker 1: to climate change, even short stints. He's coach Savid Egg
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  Speaker 1: and how are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of changing climate Tuesday night, sat through
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  Speaker 2: a little rain delay, pretty long game. We're recording this
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  Speaker 2: at one forty three am Eastern time. Wouldn't change a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Not that long ago, said man, we got a bad
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  Speaker 2: team on our hands. Now Tigers have won six of
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  Speaker 2: seven and like, this team is ridiculous. We have a
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous baseball team on our hands because for three years
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  Speaker 2: in a row, they just like cannot operate normally. Right
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  Speaker 2: when you think they're done, and they're making things interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say, has the uh I kind
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  Speaker 1: of set this up on purpose? I'll be honest, but
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  Speaker 1: is late at night? Has the climate changed over there
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  Speaker 1: at the America Park? What are we seeing?
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  Speaker 2: Man? Vibes are certainly a lot better. As I've said,
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  Speaker 2: I think, I think credit to every guy in that
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  Speaker 2: clubhouse for getting their heads on straight and putting together
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  Speaker 2: a stretch of good baseball, even if maybe it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Last May was so bad. I mean that that could
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  Speaker 2: have just tanked everything. Right, They've won six of seven.
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  Speaker 2: They did turn the page to some extent. We've talked
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  Speaker 2: about it before. They have Trek Scouogle coming back, they
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  Speaker 2: have other guys still in the mind and coming back
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  Speaker 2: just to mentally get in a better space and win
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  Speaker 2: some games that I think that takes some fortitude. And
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  Speaker 2: then the second thing is like, look, they still have
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  Speaker 2: a long way to go. They are still eleven games
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  Speaker 2: under five hundred, so they're off to a good start.
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  Speaker 2: The reasons as hard as they have to keep doing
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  Speaker 2: this the rest of this month to get probably back
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  Speaker 2: into the race, and then they have to do that
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  Speaker 2: all July to stay in that race and go from
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  Speaker 2: sellers to potentially buyers. Like there is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work ahead and still very little margin for error because
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  Speaker 2: of how deep the hole they're in. But again, pretty
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  Speaker 2: good start. They're off to a pretty good start in
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  Speaker 2: terms of racing that depthicit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it certainly plays into the cliche of
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  Speaker 1: one game at a time. Just that the other thing
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  Speaker 1: and you say, like, you know, everybody deserves credit, and
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  Speaker 1: you know they stayed in it, and you know, like
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  Speaker 1: all these other things, you know, sometimes it's it's that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's over arching things and principles in that, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you just got dudes who play like dudes. And
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  Speaker 1: we saw that a couple examples of that on Tuesday night, right,
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday night, Yes, Tuesday Night. And the most notable, of
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  Speaker 1: course was Dylan Dingler, who looking at it right now,
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  Speaker 1: four for five at triple short of the cycle. He
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  Speaker 1: had two home runs, four Ribby's. He did have a strikeout,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess it wasn't that great of a game
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  Speaker 1: for him. But but but dude, like Dylan Dingler, man,
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  Speaker 1: like I was, it's sixteen home runs so far on
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  Speaker 1: the season for him, and I was trying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you see this on Twitter a lot of like either
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  Speaker 1: national media companies or talking heads or whatever, or team
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  Speaker 1: specific accounts. They're kind of going up for their guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I get that. I still don't know if Dingler
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  Speaker 1: is getting there as he should be in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think, like, how would I explain
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  Speaker 1: the Dylan Dingler stuff to somebody who just kind of
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  Speaker 1: knows who he is? And really, dude, it's not that deep,
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  Speaker 1: like it's like it's it's pretty simple. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: looking at his baseball spot page, it's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: red all over in every single category except for base
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  Speaker 1: running then it's mediocre. So if you want to dig
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  Speaker 1: him for that, we can dig him for that. Pun
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  Speaker 1: there expected batting average ninety four percent, expected slugging percentage
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight percent, tile defense, blocks above average ninety seven percent,
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  Speaker 1: tile framing ninety seven percent, tile pop time eighty seven percent.
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  Speaker 1: Tile like, it's just everything everything he is seemingly excellent
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  Speaker 1: at right now, and like the home runs and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff can kind of get you some of the highlight. Really,
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  Speaker 1: where he's best at is the borne stuff, really, and
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  Speaker 1: and that's the kind of thing that makes him a
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  Speaker 1: great catcher and possibly the best we have in the
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  Speaker 1: American League or baseball right now. Possibly I'm comfortable saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Dylan English should start the All Star Game. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we could see how he plays between now
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  Speaker 2: and the All Star Game. If the Ulstar Game where it'smorrowdling,
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  Speaker 2: English should be starting the All Star Game. I think
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  Speaker 2: Tigers fans know this, or know how good he has
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  Speaker 2: been nationally. You're right, I don't think he's getting enough credit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean a meeting every day with a
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  Speaker 2: small group of some of the best baseball writers in
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  Speaker 2: the country, very knowledgeable people. Maybe I'll do this smort.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say, besides cal Rawley, who has the highest war
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  Speaker 2: among major league catchers since the start of last season,
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  Speaker 2: I bet most of them would not say Dylan Dingler.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you'd hear Alejandro kirk shaling a leaders I
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  Speaker 2: Drake Baldwin, like. I don't think everyone would easily just
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's Dingler. Maybe that's starting to change
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  Speaker 2: with nights like we just saw tonight, because yeah, four hits,
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  Speaker 2: two homers, triples, shy of the cycle, that'll work. But
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  Speaker 2: it really made me think, and I tried to write
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  Speaker 2: about this a little bit, just his I never saw
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  Speaker 2: this coming. I thought Dylan Dingler was a good prospect.
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  Speaker 2: I knew he could defend. I knew there was something
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  Speaker 2: in the bat. I never thought he would ascend to
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  Speaker 2: being like the best catcher in this sport. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: just didn't. I didn't think he was that good. I
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  Speaker 2: thought he could probably become like an everyday catcher. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think he I didn't think there was this extra gear,
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  Speaker 2: but sure enough there is and then the other thing,
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  Speaker 2: just remembering the long road he took to get here.
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  Speaker 2: He was called up to Double A on the same
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  Speaker 2: day as Riley Green and Spencer Torkelsen, and they made
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  Speaker 2: that was in twenty twenty one, and Towrque debuted at
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  Speaker 2: the start of twenty twenty two, and Riley debuted shortly
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  Speaker 2: thereafter in twenty twenty two, and Dylan Dingler did not
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  Speaker 2: get to the major leagues until the second half of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. So those guys flew by him. He's
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  Speaker 2: a catcher, so it takes longer, right, We hear that
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  Speaker 2: all the time. Well as sure as hell took longer.
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  Speaker 2: And you can go back and look that first year
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  Speaker 2: in Double A he was hitting like two oh one.
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  Speaker 2: He fractured his finger. There were times even after that
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  Speaker 2: where he just didn't really hit all that well. And
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  Speaker 2: now here he is in the middle of the order.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's a top fifteen position player in the sport
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  Speaker 2: by war right now, he's become better than Torklesen and
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  Speaker 2: rivaling Green for the you know, Green and Kevin McGonagall
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  Speaker 2: for the best player on this team. Really remarkable a
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  Speaker 2: testament I think to the work he puts in. Like
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  Speaker 2: you said, he's good at the small stuff. Man, this
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  Speaker 2: is a regimented, detailed guy. He's hard to He's sometimes
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  Speaker 2: hard to get like five minutes with, because he's always
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  Speaker 2: in and out putting his work in doing something. He's
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  Speaker 2: now playing every day. He's only missed two games since
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  Speaker 2: the start of May. That's how often AJ Hinch is
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  Speaker 2: playing him. And AJ said tonight, we're doing it because
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  Speaker 2: he's good and we think he can handle it mentally,
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  Speaker 2: and we think he can handle it physically. And so far,
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Singler has done nothing but prove his manager right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there is like the advanced stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And to kind of reiterate in a different way, sort
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  Speaker 1: of our overarching point here. And I guess advice to
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  Speaker 1: to national media and and and baseball fans everywhere. You
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  Speaker 1: just he is one of those guys you can't appreciate
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  Speaker 1: unless you watch every pitch, not just the condensed game
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  Speaker 1: on MLB dot com, not just the highlights. You have
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  Speaker 1: to see how he handles everything. We didn't even mention
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  Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the challenge success that he's had
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  Speaker 1: as behind the play and as as I know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily unique to catchers in general, but behind the
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  Speaker 1: play and as a batter, like I feel very confident
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  Speaker 1: whenever he challenges that like it's it's at least a
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  Speaker 1: good challenge. Whether he wins it or not, which he
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  Speaker 1: wins a lot more than he loses, it's at least
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  Speaker 1: a good challenge. There's a confidence level to everything that
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  Speaker 1: he does, and it's because he's earned it. It's because
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  Speaker 1: he's had success. And I remember we were doing this
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  Speaker 1: pod when they were prospects and getting called up at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, and and the and the Dingler piece
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  Speaker 1: of this kind of felt like a obviously less of
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  Speaker 1: a sure thing, more of a wild card than the
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  Speaker 1: other two at that time. And then you just kind
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  Speaker 1: of thought, you know, athletically, this is probably a guy
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  Speaker 1: who will figure some things out and be able to
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  Speaker 1: just kind of stay, you know, around. Nobody's telling the
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  Speaker 1: truth that they thought we were seeing this at a
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler, So it's a credit to him, it's a
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  Speaker 1: credit to development. I know this past month plus Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Development hasn't necessarily been the kindest of words and when
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Tigers, but as an overarching thing, that
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  Speaker 1: piece of it obviously deserves a ton of credit, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously coaching staff Fetter, like all those guys, deserve a
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  Speaker 1: ton of credit. To what we're seeing from Dylan Dingler
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  Speaker 1: is special. We've talked a lot a lot about him
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  Speaker 1: being a star and it's an All Star and now
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  Speaker 1: it's just like he is the guy, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: decent chance that we could see Detroit starting battery in
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  Speaker 1: the All Star game, which is kind of crazy to
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  Speaker 1: think about and also kind of funny. I was looking
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  Speaker 1: up just random stuff, you know, late night internet browsing,
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  Speaker 1: and it's one of those things I knew, but then
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  Speaker 1: just like looking at it, I was like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: like same number as Alexavilla, same numbers as Lance Parrish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's like this thirteen legacy as a catcher in this organization.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of low key, pretty cool. It doesn't necessarily mean anything,
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  Speaker 1: but he's getting compared to all these guys where he
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  Speaker 1: has eleven total bases on a night like tonight, and
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  Speaker 1: it does, really, it really does feel like he is
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  Speaker 1: like next in line of studs and possibly star catchers
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  Speaker 1: that like could be remembered for a long time and
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  Speaker 1: probably at the beginning of feeling like that if he
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  Speaker 1: continues on this trajectory, all right, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: take a quick break, and then after that we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to the other responsibilities. Dann Dingler, And that's the
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  Speaker 1: pitching staff, which is getting could be getting crowded here
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, You know tonight was also significant, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: because we saw Casey Mice pitch over in Lakeland as
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  Speaker 1: a rehab start, and if I have the numbers right
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  Speaker 1: in front of me, is just over five innings, one run.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the hits in front of me, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but it seems like overall kind of pitched like a
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  Speaker 1: nice Casey Mice outing. Not gonna over react to it,
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  Speaker 1: but like encouraging signs. Even had to make a play
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  Speaker 1: at first base. So if you're wondering about the mobility
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, maybe you know past that test at least
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  Speaker 1: for now. We'll see obviously how the body and everything
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  Speaker 1: feels tomorrow and beyond and then school ble. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about it on Sunday, had his rehab start over in
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  Speaker 1: West Michigan. Wednesday night. Justin Berlander gonna make another rehab
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  Speaker 1: start and that's three guys. Tigers typically like a five
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  Speaker 1: man rotation. Well that it's crowded now and there are
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  Speaker 1: some decisions to be made. And you know, it's funny
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the overarching riding the roller coaster, but
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to number crunch time, Cody, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: not to kind of ride the roller coaster and anticipate,
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  Speaker 1: like what the Tigers might do, because you know, Melton
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  Speaker 1: had a you know, he gets to win, not gonna overreact,
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  Speaker 1: but he gave up four home runts today. You know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of strange old solo shots. I did have five k's,
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  Speaker 1: did in issue a walk and got out of a
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  Speaker 1: tough situation or two.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Montero has had you know, games where he looks down,
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  Speaker 1: you know, back down the earth at there's some spectacular outings,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and Flarity if you look at Flarity, if
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  Speaker 1: you go to like May sixth or whatever, he like
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  Speaker 1: ranks like among the top starting pitchers in these various categories.
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  Speaker 1: Evyan would Barry had that stat on X You guys
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  Speaker 1: want to go check that out. Uh So, basically it's
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  Speaker 1: talk yourself into season when it comes to the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: starting rotation. And I don't know what direction you want
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  Speaker 1: to go with that, but it's it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: They like to say, well, we'll make that decision when
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  Speaker 1: we have to make that decision the Tiger's brass. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty close to the decision time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be super interesting in seeing how
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  Speaker 2: they navigate this. I've been getting a lot of questions
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  Speaker 2: about it, and I don't truly know totally, like how
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna work out, how it's going to line up.
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  Speaker 2: What I can tell you is based on recent comments,
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  Speaker 2: aj Hinch seems far more open to like a six
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  Speaker 2: man rotation than I've ever heard him there in years
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  Speaker 2: past talking about a six man or like piggyback starts,
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of been opposed to it because it takes
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  Speaker 2: away at least one member of your bullpen. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is a different circumstance, given Tigers have some guys
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  Speaker 2: who just kind of have to pitch, and given their
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  Speaker 2: bullpen isn't that good. You've been having a couple guys
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  Speaker 2: you really aren't using any way, So maybe that's helped
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  Speaker 2: contribute to Aja being a little more open to this here.
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  Speaker 2: But you're gonna reinsert Schooble. Not official yet at the
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  Speaker 2: time of this recording, but sure sounds like he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: pitch this weekend. So long as he comes out of
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  Speaker 2: his bullpen good, you're gonna be able to reinsert mys Verlander.
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  Speaker 2: I assume we'll be following as well. I'd say he's
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  Speaker 2: the one. Like I do, think they want to continue
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  Speaker 2: to see like quality improve a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if we see a six man rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe even then some kind of piggybacks. But you're about
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  Speaker 2: to have eight starters, Karan, so that's still too many.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's going to the bullpen, And I think that brings
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  Speaker 2: up the question, well, is it Cater Montero And if so,
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  Speaker 2: is that fair? Cater's pitched out of the pin before,
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  Speaker 2: he pitched quite well out of the pin in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: If we're having this conversation two weeks ago, I think
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  Speaker 2: i'd be like to Jack Flaherty has to go to
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  Speaker 2: the pin man if you're even keeping Jack on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: And we kind of alluded to that a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and in a credit to Jack, Jack has been really
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  Speaker 2: good and Cater had a couple outings that were probably
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  Speaker 2: more you know average Jack again, Yeah, first in k
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  Speaker 2: per nine since May sixth, among ales starting pitchers, third
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  Speaker 2: in FIP, third in strikeout to walk ratio, third in
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  Speaker 2: war Jack Flaherty has quietly put together some nice outings,
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  Speaker 2: even if he didn't finish the last one as well
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  Speaker 2: as you would have liked, and things like that. Jack's
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  Speaker 2: doing some things well, and I think when you're a
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  Speaker 2: veteran and you're making twenty million, it's probably getting to
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  Speaker 2: get him the benefit of the doubt. So then the question,
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  Speaker 2: you know, would they move Melton to the pin I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because they've been pretty clear, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: he's a starter, Now could he go to Triple A?
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  Speaker 2: Like I you know what, I guess he could for
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  Speaker 2: as good as he is, Like still like to see
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  Speaker 2: him miss bats a little more consistently. He's still a
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  Speaker 2: young guy refining some things, but he's good enough. He's
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  Speaker 2: already proven it. I think he wanted him to refine
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  Speaker 2: those things in the major leagues. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: And I think it kind of sucks if Cater has
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  Speaker 2: to go to the bullpen, or maybe maybe he could
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  Speaker 2: go to Triple A and stay stretched out. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's super fair, but baseball, like life,
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  Speaker 2: isn't always completely fair. Sometimes if you're the young guy
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  Speaker 2: and you have options, you might get treated a little differently,
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  Speaker 2: even if your your performance has been on par or
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  Speaker 2: superior to others. So still a couple of little things
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  Speaker 2: to sort out, and we'll be pretty interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: and if they do us go to six man rotation
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  Speaker 2: with like a seventh man piggybacking, maybe Melting and Flairty
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  Speaker 2: do piggyback starts or something like that, Miz and somebody,
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  Speaker 2: It'll be highly interesting to see how that works out
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  Speaker 2: and what the ripple effects in this bullpen actually end
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  Speaker 2: up being.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things that I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: am looking toward in terms of like how I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: this decision could go down. So we began this podcast
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: talking about how, like the margins are thin and you
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: got to keep doing this for a long period of time,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: given that the bullpen is more shaky than that. Is
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that a good way to put it. I don't want
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to kind of give away arms to Toledo, if that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: makes sense, Like, just as a general principle, I want
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: as many arms that I trust in general on the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: major league club because again, you're fighting for your life. Here,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you're fighting for You're fighting for your season. You're kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of fighting for your identity a little bit in terms
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of you want to talk about trade deadline stuff and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what that could be, blah blah blah blah. Fighting for
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: your identity. At the same time, you also got to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: balance the fact that Casey Mayes will be coming back
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: from a second groin injury. I don't know, dude, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: don't know that. Could that just be something that Randy
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: pops up again, I don't know, But you have to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: take that into consideration. And then also to pretend that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Verlander will come back and then he's just gonna kind
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of go the rest of the season would probably be
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: assuming a little bit too much given that we haven't
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: seen him. But all like, what three innings this year,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So like you kind of have to have in your
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: bag a guy who could just because you know, take
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that spot right away. And again in Toledo, you're not like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you're not like overflowing with starting pitching major league ready
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: starting pitching options in general either. So all that to say,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because because you kind of have to,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: because you have to protect yourself from from what's inevitably
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, which is some dude's gonna get hurt, some
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: dude's gonna have to miss the start, you know, blah
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: blah blah, And you have to give yourself as many
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: options there as possible, and whichever avenue they go, there
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: is an opportunity cost to that. So so it's one
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: of it is one of those decisions that you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: we joke in spring training it's like the decisions are
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: made for me or whatever the Joe Tory quote. Now
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: they're not necessarily made for you. Now you have to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: make the decision about where you want to go as
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a franchise in this direction, whether it's the six man,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: whether it's the piggyback like you talked about. And then
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: how are those guys going to handle it too, because
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: now you're talking about pictures the most routine oriented people
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of maybe in sports, and you're gonna have to like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: move their routine a little bit more. And then the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: piggyback thing, obviously is a change in routine. So this
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: plan has to be like ten moves on a chessboard
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of anticipation of what could happen and what you would
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: do if it went this way. So that's kind of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the pressure that I think Tiger's Brass is under to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: kind of figure this out. And while that's important, it
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: shouldn't necessarily overshadow the fact like, hey, we might get
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to see tech s Google pitch again, just you know whatever,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: four weeks whatever it is after technically going on. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: guess not under the knife, but under the nano needle, uh,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, and all that stuff. So it's a tough call,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: but one that they should know will be easily second
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: best should something very reasonably happen. That, you know, is
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the downside to that decision.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I have a whole lot to
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: add to it. And one reason they haven't fully committed
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to anything is, as a Jake Hinch kind of mentioned,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: like their luck just hasn't been great. So there still
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: is a chance someone else gets hurt between now and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: then and it doesn't sort itself out.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's fair, That is very fair, all right.
• 21:50
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• 23:12
  Speaker 1: all right, speaking of Terrek schoogl Cody, have you noticed,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: let me wrap up on some of like a fun
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: conversation here, have you noticed that he's kind of getting
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: by shamed a little bit. I don't like my boy
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Terrek in by shamed, you know, like first of all
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: professional athletes in general that you know, like take care
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of their stuff. Like it's like, I think he's comfortable
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: with what he's working with and how he can get
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the job done. That's never really been an issue for
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Trek Schooble. It is kind of funny if you look
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: at like rookie pictures, like obviously he's gained more mass,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we will say, But to me, it's like, whatever he's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: doing is working, So I'm not gonna second guess it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But the minor league start. Maybe it's because the last
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: time he wore that uniform he was quite skinnier. But
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: when he was in West Michigan, I saw James hard
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in comparisons and I was like, all right, guys, come on,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: come on, we gotta stop that right now. We're not.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: We're not. We're not. We're not doing James Harden. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: know they're both left these, but we're not doing the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: whole like fat suit to get traded thing with Derek Scouoble.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Like we're like like full stop, full stop here. So
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I just had to get that off my chest real quick.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Oh, this is a this is a weird
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: thing to be talking about. Look, Trek Scruple is a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: big boy man. He's he's always been a big boy.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He's gotten bigger, stronger throughout the course of his major
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: league career. I don't think that minor league jersey is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: tailored quite as well as the big league ones, so
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I think maybe that contributed. I mean, I've seen other
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: comments like that when he's working out and stuff. Look,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: i mean baseball is one of the ultimate examples, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you've seen other pictures going around of like Pete Sampras
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and like Roger Federer and like these elite champion athletes,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and they just kind of look like scrawny guys a
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: little bit. And then Tarek school looks, you know, he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a beef for your guy, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: like it's sometimes like actual athletic bodies that are optimized
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: for performance in an endurance sport like tennis where you're
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: running all the time, or baseball you're playing every single day,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: like you might not be chiseled like a Greek god.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: There are many examples of this throughout history, and sometimes
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the human body is actually meant to be that way
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit and can perform better than maybe if
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you looked you know, if you looked like you were
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: spending too much time on bodybuilding dot com or whatever.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, if Trek Schooble thought he was
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: gonna gain an inch of an advantage by trimming ten pounds,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he'd be down ten pounds pretty quickly. Like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of trust him to do what's best for
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: his for his performance. So I just wanted to nip
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that in the bud real quick, all right, anything, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: just real quick, Cody, with with what we witness tonight,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Riley Green, we don't we should have mentioned Riley Green,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: carry Carpenter. They're part of like the dudes that kind
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of led the team the victory today. Like it it
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is kind of simple for the Tigers and all the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: struggles that we saw over the past month, or you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: in the month of May, I should say, when those
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: guys are hitting, throw Dinglan in there. Of course, when
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: those guys are hitting, you really ought to win most games,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they it kind of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: is that simple when you're getting home I don't know
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: what their record is when Dingler, Green and Carpenter hit
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: home runs, but I imagine it's a pretty decent win
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: percentage there. And obviously you don't want home runs are
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: not an everyday occurrence for every player. But like we
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: witnessed a lot over the pat in the month, in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the month of May of Tigers getting stringing together good
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: offensive performances and then blowing it. This was a day
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: where they went tip for tat and then got the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: lead and then extended the lead. Maybe labor Tories with
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit scores luck there with a base hit
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to RBI. Yeah, but it's these are the things that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: were absent, and if you're looking for signs now, these
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: are things. They are starting to turn around a little bit.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Perhaps at least for now, we'll see, as you said,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a long way to go, but the signs are there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The signs are there, and I think we all would
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: have signed up for that at this time last month.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely no. One of the great things in ball writing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It's not always as bad as it seems, not always
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: as good as it seems. That applies in life too,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's not always as bad as it seems. In May,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the Tigers again they have two of the top fifteen
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: position players in baseball. That's not counting Rightley Green, who's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: also probably going to his third All Star Game, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they're about to get the back to back reigning Cy
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Young Award winner back. As bad as May was, some
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: pretty good things that at the major league level, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: even you know, the farm has it thinned out. Sure
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: still have Bryce Rayner, you still have Hos Waiverseno, Tyron
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Loronzo is still super interesting. You still have some talent.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And if the Tigers don't get this fully back on
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the rails, I think there would have to be some
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: sort of retooling. But you don't have to twist yourself
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that hard, and to be like like, the Tigers are
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: still better off than a lot of organizations. And with
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the emergence of Dingler and with McGonagall being so close
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to best case scenario, there are a lot of organizations
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: that would that would gladly trade places with the Tigers.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I think in terms of like the long term outlooks
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: still and then it's not always as good as the seams.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: That goes to what I said earlier. Yeah, they've won
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: six of seven. Everyone's happy again. They are still eleven
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: games under five hundred, and even if you know the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: wild cards five games or whatever, there's there's a lot
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of teams in between them and that third wildcard spot
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like a lot has to still break in their favor
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: even if they do keep keep winning. So a lot
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of ball left. Man, We're gonna have a lot more
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: podcasts trying to navigate all this.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yep. And since they've won six of seven, recording this
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: after two am, I'm just gonna say six seven all right.
• 29:15
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• 29:23
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• 29:25
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• 29:27
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