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Jeremiyah Love at the combine, Speed is taking over the NFL, AI's impact on the NFL · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecock three
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  Speaker 1: now podcasts. Hopefully everyone is doing well better than me.
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  Speaker 1: Feeling a litle under the weather. That's, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple day bender at the Combine, having a newborn who's
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  Speaker 1: also kind of sick. I think he got sick from
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  Speaker 1: my niece came into town. So we just got germs
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  Speaker 1: and lack of sleep, and you just gotta put on
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  Speaker 1: your big boy pants and you know, pull yourself up
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  Speaker 1: by your bootstraps and press record into a podcast because
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  Speaker 1: we's at the combine. So I want to do some
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  Speaker 1: big picture takeaways from the combine from Jeremiah Love to
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  Speaker 1: Fernanda Mendoza to just the quarterbacks at the Combine, from
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  Speaker 1: an NFL perspective, to Florio saying that AI is coming
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  Speaker 1: from people's jobs in the league, talking to some gms,
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  Speaker 1: to just some overall takeaways for me walking around at
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  Speaker 1: the combine rubbing elbows with the people. So that is
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  Speaker 1: So buckle up. Let's let's just talk some football, because
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  Speaker 1: But let's just start with Let's start with Jeremiah Love,
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  Speaker 1: the Notre Dame running back, and I would say, over
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  Speaker 1: the course of the last I don't know, ten fifteen years,
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  Speaker 1: it has felt like the running back has been devalued.
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  Speaker 1: Remember like five or six years ago, they did like
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  Speaker 1: a zoom call because they were pissed about being underpaid.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, guys, these gms aren't colluding against you. It's
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  Speaker 1: just your value. It's supplied demand. We can always find
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  Speaker 1: guys in the middle rounds and get us a thousand
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  Speaker 1: yards and produce. And then it kind of came a
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  Speaker 1: crop of like Hall of Fame level players. If you
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  Speaker 1: pulled NFL gms and head coaches on non quarterbacks who
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  Speaker 1: are the best players in the league, you might not
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  Speaker 1: make it past five without the name Bjon Robinson being said.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to someone at the combine and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, if they're not going to do this, but
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  Speaker 1: if they did put Bjon Robinson on the trading block,
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  Speaker 1: they would get to one, two number one picks for
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  Speaker 1: the guy. That would feel like something that would happen
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  Speaker 1: from the eighties or the nineties. But he's that good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean three years ago, Christian McCaffrey, the season he
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  Speaker 1: had for the forty nine ers easily could won the
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  Speaker 1: MVP the year Lamar did. Last year, Saquon had like
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  Speaker 1: a historic season. So the running back has become what
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  Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is doing in Detroit has definitely become more
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  Speaker 1: and more back in the forefront of importance in the NFL. Now,
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  Speaker 1: my takeaway is I have a pretty simple philosophy. It
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  Speaker 1: is really hard to get high end offensive tackles and
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  Speaker 1: elite pass rushers. So when you have an opportunity in
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  Speaker 1: the top six to seven picks, you always take Abdull Carter,
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  Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, whoever over the best running back on the board.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also a market value, right and in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, there's a lot of debate on all these players.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing we know for certain is for Mendoza
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  Speaker 1: is going number one. If you pulled thirty GMS and said,
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  Speaker 1: after Mendoza, rank one through ten the next ten best players,
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  Speaker 1: I think the rankings would be all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: But I think one thing that would be pretty consistent
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  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't get past a couple on everyone's list
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  Speaker 1: without Jeremiah Love coming up. And here's the thing, let's
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  Speaker 1: use Bijon Saquon and Christian McCaffrey. I would put when
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  Speaker 1: Christian is right, and obviously Bijon above Saquon slightly because
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  Speaker 1: of what they bring in the passing game. Like the
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  Speaker 1: one knock on Saquon is he's probably average in the
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  Speaker 1: passing game. Has some bad drops, just not an area
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  Speaker 1: in which he excels. Adrian Peterson was not good in
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  Speaker 1: the passing game, but he was an all time runner
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  Speaker 1: right when Saquon's right as he was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago. With good blocking, he went for two K
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  Speaker 1: right now. The other guys their arsenal, like Marshall falk
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  Speaker 1: Or like a Ladanian. Tomlinson is just an unstoppable for
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  Speaker 1: because they are elite wide receivers and then awesome running backs,
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  Speaker 1: and all three of those guys fall into the category
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  Speaker 1: of super high character like face of the franchise, elite character,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that really matters in the NFL when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to star players, and historically running backs can
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit or mess like. Sometimes those guys
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  Speaker 1: aren't exactly you know choir boys, which listen, you can't
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  Speaker 1: have a team full of choir boys. You ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: win a championship or you're not gonna win playoff games
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  Speaker 1: if you don't got some wild cards. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: mandating that every guy just be Fernando Mendoza here. That
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  Speaker 1: ain't the case. In this story that came out that
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  Speaker 1: some GM or some scout or coach told Fernando Mendoza
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  Speaker 1: to get arrested, so he falls to them. It's like, guys,
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  Speaker 1: that's clearly a joke, Like, can't we just factor in
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  Speaker 1: some things that are like, that's clearly a joke. It
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  Speaker 1: ain't that serious. I see people and listen, I've spent
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  Speaker 1: less time the last four or five days on social media,
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  Speaker 1: and I felt extremely for us or refreshed. It's crazy
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  Speaker 1: how enjoyable people are in the real world and you
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  Speaker 1: just get on social media, Like does everyone just want
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  Speaker 1: to kill themselves? Like this? These are two separate realities,
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  Speaker 1: and one is actual reality and the other one feels fake.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, tweeting from their house
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  Speaker 1: playing video games. How shitty the world is? Like, guys,
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  Speaker 1: stop being a scam artist here. But when I see
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  Speaker 1: the Fernando Mendoza reacts like it was a joke, clearly.
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  Speaker 1: But back to Jeremiah love Is. He went to the
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  Speaker 1: combine widely viewed as one of the best players in
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  Speaker 1: this draft. He's six feet tall, two hundred and twelve pounds.
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  Speaker 1: He ran a four to three six his drill work,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of important. We've all seen him play.
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  Speaker 1: He was going to excel at that he did, and
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  Speaker 1: then they asked him like, hey, can you do extra
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  Speaker 1: because in your offense, the passing game wasn't a huge
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  Speaker 1: part of the repertoire at Notre Dame. He did not
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  Speaker 1: need to do that, Honestly, Once he ran a four six,
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  Speaker 1: he could say, guys, I'm not doing anything at the combine,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything at the pro day, and no
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  Speaker 1: one worth their salt would a judge them. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know what he said? Instead, Yeah, I'll do it. Let's roll.
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  Speaker 1: And when we talk about competitive, competitive nature football character
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  Speaker 1: football like, they talk about this a lot, like how
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  Speaker 1: willing are you to compete? How willing are you to
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  Speaker 1: do everything humanly possible when it comes to football, And
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to go, well, this none of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: matters anymore. It did a Jeremiah Love, and Jeremiah Love
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  Speaker 1: is a lot better player than a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: guys at the draft who refuse to do it. So
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  Speaker 1: it mattered to him and to me when I watched
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  Speaker 1: his interview after he got done working out, and I'm like, God,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you could argue twenty thirty years ago, this
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  Speaker 1: guy is a lock to go number two in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Right back in the day when running backs went one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously, Fernando Mendozo would probably go one in
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  Speaker 1: most drafts, given the importance of quarterback, and given it,
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders just draft that are running back in the
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  Speaker 1: top six last year. But I think when you look
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  Speaker 1: at this class, Fernanda or Jeremiah Love in nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, in two thousand and two would
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  Speaker 1: be the number two overall pick. And that's why my
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  Speaker 1: big takeaway was, you know, you guys know where I stand.
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  Speaker 1: I thought drafting Christian McCaffrey at eight was nuts. I
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  Speaker 1: thought drafted b Jhon Robinson at eight was nuts. I
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  Speaker 1: thought drafting Saquon Barkley at two was nuts, which is
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  Speaker 1: somewhat ironic because those were like some of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: guys in the league. I love the way they play
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  Speaker 1: and I love everything they stand for. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to I almost feel like a hypocrite because
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  Speaker 1: the Falcons don't regret taking b Jhon Robinson. Obviously, McCaffrey was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, should have gone higher than eight, and Saquon
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  Speaker 1: was just on an awful team, but you put him
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  Speaker 1: on a good team. You see how talented the guy is.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jeremiah Love's floor now, like I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: make it to the Chiefs. I never thought the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: were gonna take him. But it's like I could see
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  Speaker 1: him getting to the Cowboys at twelve, like there's no chance.
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  Speaker 1: I think the farthest key word of quote unquote fall
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  Speaker 1: would be the Saints at eight. I think if you're
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  Speaker 1: the Titans and they just made a trade. They traded
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  Speaker 1: the big d tackle from Texas, who I remember a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was a major red flag
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  Speaker 1: to the Jets for Jermaine Johnson, who saw it was
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  Speaker 1: a part of drafting the edge rusher. Obviously, I am
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  Speaker 1: a believer in taking linemen people in the trenches if
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  Speaker 1: all things are equal, But are we sure all these
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  Speaker 1: guys in the trenches are big time? Now? I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big believer in Baine, the kid from Miami is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a high end NFL player. But teams get
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  Speaker 1: reluctant when your measurables are what they are because historically
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  Speaker 1: there aren't that many guys who are all time great
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  Speaker 1: players with those measurables. Now, could he be an outlier?
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Russell Wilson was an outlier, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: small guys, there are certain individuals who can break through.
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  Speaker 1: Most times, that's not the case though. When you look
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  Speaker 1: at the best pass rushers in the league, they are
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  Speaker 1: massive human beings. Miles Garrett, Aiden Hutchinson, the Bosa Brothers.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Max Crosby's kind of a unique situation because
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  Speaker 1: he was a late round pick, but he's a fucking monster.
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  Speaker 1: I saw this clip of him in the octagon with
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  Speaker 1: Sean Strickland. I'm not some big UFC guy, but Strickland
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  Speaker 1: was just peppering him in the face and Max is
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  Speaker 1: like shaking it off and smiling. I'm like these guys now. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Bain's competitive football character and his effort on the field
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  Speaker 1: is elite, and his ability to play the position is
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  Speaker 1: high end. But like, I think he's gonna go a
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  Speaker 1: little later than people realize because of the measurables. So
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  Speaker 1: I think the I think Jeremiah lovkick goes high as
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  Speaker 1: four with the Titans, I mean the Giants. I know
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  Speaker 1: they took Scataboo last year, but I mean we know
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  Speaker 1: the type football that the Hardball brothers like. I think
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  Speaker 1: he is definitely going to be a long conversation now,
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  Speaker 1: if I was a betting man, they probably, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if they feel comfortable enough about the offensive lineman or
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  Speaker 1: Caleb downs right there, and then the Saints at ay
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  Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. But like, that's that's Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 1: That's where Jeremiah loves going. Like he's not sniffing falling
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  Speaker 1: out of the of the top ten. And he earned
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  Speaker 1: it on the field, and then he went to the
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  Speaker 1: combined double middle fingers to every guy that's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little too cool for school. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: work out. My agent told me to do this. My
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  Speaker 1: agent told me to do that. I was with a
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  Speaker 1: couple GMS on Tuesday out of the combine and I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this to Coward last week when we recorded a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and these guys have been in the league a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and the beers were flown and they said, it's crazy
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  Speaker 1: how often guys in these meetings like, yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna do anything, or I'll do the broad jump in
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  Speaker 1: the vertical, but that's it. It's like, well, what's the
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  Speaker 1: point of evenick, what are you afraid to just do
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  Speaker 1: some drill work. You're gonna do it anyway, Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: not their idea. It's their agents which listen. The agents
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  Speaker 1: are incentive to, you know, try to control as much
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  Speaker 1: as they control and earn the couple percent that they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make ideally off these guys making a lot of
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  Speaker 1: money in the NFL. But that has become a much
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  Speaker 1: more in vogue thing. And Jeremiah Love would have been
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  Speaker 1: the number one guy to not do anything, and he
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  Speaker 1: did everything. You know, Fernando Mendoza didn't throw. He just
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  Speaker 1: played sixteen games and won the National championship. And speaking
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  Speaker 1: of Fernando Mendoza, one thing that really kind of became
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  Speaker 1: very obvious to me over the course of the combine.
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  Speaker 1: To win the National Championship, you have to have good players,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to be a really good team. And
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  Speaker 1: football is the team games, the ultimate team game, right
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  Speaker 1: even if you have Dan Marino made a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: a second year and never went back. Talk to anyone
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  Speaker 1: that played Dan Marino in the eighties in the early nineties,
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  Speaker 1: they'd be like, he's one of the best players I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. I played Montana, I played Lway, He's every
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  Speaker 1: bit as good. And I've known a lot of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: The reverence in which they hold Dan Marino's crazy. He
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  Speaker 1: never got back. I don't even think he won that
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  Speaker 1: many playoff games of his career. I have to YouTube
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  Speaker 1: or google that one. But when I look at the
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  Speaker 1: Indiana team, Fernando Mendez is going to go number one.
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  Speaker 1: Talking to some different scouts and people in the league,
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  Speaker 1: there is a chance that another Indiana player doesn't come
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  Speaker 1: off the board till the third round, and that is Cooper,
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  Speaker 1: not even Sarat who's probably going to be a Day
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  Speaker 1: three pick the corner, little undersized, good player again round three,
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  Speaker 1: round four. You are not looking at some team like
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  Speaker 1: when you watched all those guys work out of Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: You went might take away with Ohio State and people
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  Speaker 1: think I'm a hater, and I kind of am. There
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  Speaker 1: is no disputing they're the number one college program in
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  Speaker 1: the country in terms of over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: Internet age. They might not win the national championship every year.
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  Speaker 1: But now that Saban is gone, you would say Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: But that was a Sabin led deal. It hasn't mattered
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  Speaker 1: who their coach was with Trestle, with Urban, now with
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day, they're an NFL franch I mean every year
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  Speaker 1: they got four or five guys going in the first round.
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  Speaker 1: And this year, you know, from Sunny sALS to Reese
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  Speaker 1: to Caleb Downs, I didn't even think did that much
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  Speaker 1: at the combine. Don't blame him, He's a lock top
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  Speaker 1: ten pick, and Carnel Tate same thing. He's gonna go
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  Speaker 1: in the top twenty. Their best prospect arguably is still
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  Speaker 1: on the team in Jeremiah Smith. Surely with a ton
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  Speaker 1: of other guys that will go in the first round
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  Speaker 1: next year. For Indiana to win that game, looking back,
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  Speaker 1: that is an incredible accomplishment. Alabama is not the same
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  Speaker 1: Alabama under Saban, and obviously Alabama would be the best
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  Speaker 1: program over the Internet age, but I also think you
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  Speaker 1: have to factor in pre Sabin and post Saban. It
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  Speaker 1: ain't the same. And the Alabama team we watched play
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  Speaker 1: this year is like eh okay relative to their standard.
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  Speaker 1: But Oregon, you look up, the tight end had like
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  Speaker 1: a historic day. I think he ran a four to
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  Speaker 1: three six. I did a little research. I remember because
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  Speaker 1: I was in college when Vernon Davis ran like a
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  Speaker 1: four to four to oh or a four to three nine.
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  Speaker 1: Complete freak show. Got drafted in the top five. Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Pitts a couple of years ago ran a four to
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  Speaker 1: four to oh got drafted in the top five Sadik.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's I don't know if he's gonna go
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  Speaker 1: top five, but he's going in the top ten. The
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  Speaker 1: white safety, I mean, might be the fastest white guy
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  Speaker 1: in the history of athletics, ran like a four to
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  Speaker 1: three five. The guy that picked off Drew Aller in
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  Speaker 1: the overtime up in Happy Valley. And I'm not even factoring.
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  Speaker 1: And their best prospect is their quarterback that returned to school,
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  Speaker 1: so I watched it running back workout. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is a team loaded with guys. Oregon has been a
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  Speaker 1: pretty consistent four or five program in the country over
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  Speaker 1: the course of the last fifteen to twenty years. And
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  Speaker 1: then Miami, who obviously has been down hit. Their team
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  Speaker 1: this year was full of freaks. Do you know how
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  Speaker 1: many guys on that team over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: next couple of years are going to get drafted in
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  Speaker 1: the first round. I mean, they got two top ten picks,
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  Speaker 1: probably at the combine right now in Bain and the
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  Speaker 1: offensive tackle, who is a monstrous human being. You could
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  Speaker 1: argue the best player on their team this year was
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  Speaker 1: an eighteen year old freshman. So what Signetti and the
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff and Fernando and the whole team coming together,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be one of the most incredible accomplishments
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  Speaker 1: we've ever seen, because typically when these teams win, it
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  Speaker 1: like Georgia when they went back to back, their entire
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  Speaker 1: defense was first and second round picks and they had
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  Speaker 1: lab McConkie and Brock Bauers on the team, with several
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  Speaker 1: drafted offensive linemen on the team. You look at all
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  Speaker 1: those Alabama teams. The first round used to be like
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  Speaker 1: an Alabama Invitational. You go back to some of those
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meya, Ohio State teams, or the Urban Meyer Florida teams,
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  Speaker 1: or the Pete Carroll teams, or that Texas team with
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  Speaker 1: Vince Young. To win the National Joe Burrow in LSU,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have a roster full not of NFL players,
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  Speaker 1: of elite and players, especially when it comes just to
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  Speaker 1: the draft, guys are gonna get drafted the top forty picks.
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  Speaker 1: And that was just not Indiana. So part of what
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  Speaker 1: Indiana it wouldn't have been possible pre nil because they
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: got a lot of transfers. I still don't think any
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: team that lacks the amount of impact draft players. We're
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: gonna see this happen again. It truly became more impressive
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I thought watching the Combine than Indiana won this national championship.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: So when I see that Kurt Signetti is making thirteen
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: million dollars, I go, he's underpaid. He deserves more. Because
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: if you just put decent coach like Sark, or you
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: just pick you know, some top fifteen coach in the country,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: no chance, I zero chance you could argue they wouldn't
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: have beat Ohio State. They wouldn't have might not won
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: a playoff game. So Signetti is a badass. The speed
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: at the Combine, when the defensive lineman ran, when the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: linebackers ran, when the dbs ran, when the running backs ran.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: All DJ and rich Eisen kept saying, fastest group in
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the history of the Combine, Fastest group in the history
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of the Combine, fastest group in the history of the Combine.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I've been hammering this point for a long time. The
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: reason we have more injuries now than ever is because
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we have never had more players in the NFL who
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: are this fast. I don't know if it was Charles
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Davis or DJ made the point. You know, if you
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: were a wide receiver or a safety and you ran
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like a four or five two like that was a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: fine time. Like most guys were not Deon Sanders or
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: dk Metcalf, Like if you ran a four or five
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to one or four or five two, it's like, yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: no big deal. Now if you ran a four or
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: five two, you felt slow, Like four four eight used
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to be a good time. It feels like if you're
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: not in a low four fours, you are bringing up
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the rear. So we have never had isolated training obviously nutrition,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: really figuring out from a work outstandpoint, working on speed,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Like guys top to bottom have never been faster from
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: big guys. I mean I flipped on the There was
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a Penn State defensive tackle that ran it's like three
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds. It ran like a four to seven zero, Like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: who the fuck are these guys? It's insane. The big
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: ten with nil Colin's been hammering this point. But you
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: see it like the amount of skill that is going
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to the combine. A lot of those guys used to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: be in the SEC. I mean, Caleb Down is a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: pretty good example. That guy would have been a BAMA guy,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: would have been in Georgia, now the Big ten's open
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: up the checkbook like they're gonna get a lot of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: these guys. Ohio State always has, but now a lot
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: of these other programs are And I think you see
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: it when you look at the combine, and you'll see
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: it when you see the draft. But in football, it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a lot like you know boxing or the UFC. There's
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a reason you spar before you get in the ring, right,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you want to build up the calluses. You want to
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: build up the feeling of getting hit. Football is no different. Right,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: you want to feel tackling physicality before you just play
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a game. Well, double days got wiped out fifteen years ago.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: They haven't exist. I don't know if they even exist
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: in high school anymore. They definitely do not exist in
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Division I football, and they do not exist in the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: National Football League. And now there are rules like you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: can only practice three or four straight days before you
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: get a day off. You go back twenty thirty years
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: ago and listen whether this is right or wrong. You
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: would have like weeks on end of double days, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: if the coach they didn't give you a day off,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they gave you an afternoon practice off. But there
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was no I remember my first when I became a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: GA at Fresno State, and Fresno is like one eight,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: one oh nine, one ten. During the during the summer,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: especially in August, I felt like we went three straight
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: weeks double days. It was a fucking war zone. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: my first year in Philadelphia, same thing, double days. The physicality.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It was like Jesus, this is the NFL. And the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: next year the CBA changed and you couldn't do that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: anymore and it became a walk through league. And no
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: one is more anti this than the coaches. The problem
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: is the owners didn't care because they gave in that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to the players and they kept more money. So it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was all negotiations, and the owners look at it as
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a w because it was a financial negotiation, not on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the field negotiation. So when you look at the speed
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of these guys and they don't practice as much, when
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you see all these injuries on the field, yeah they
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: might not be as big as they once were, but
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: they've never been faster. So the contact when these guys
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: get hit and these guys get into these weird positions,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they've never been working at the consistent speeds in which
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they work now. So my big takeaway was, Yeah, all
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: these guys are hauling ass. But this is why all
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: these guys in the league get injured. There's never been
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: more speed and there's never been less practice, and that's
• 21:43
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  Speaker 1: The other big takeaway is the quarterbacks. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking the college quarterbacks. I'm talking the NFL quarterbacks. All
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: signs point to a tongue by low A getting cut
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and if they wanted to take the entire hit right
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: now'd be it close to one hundred million dollars. I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: personally would do that. I would imagine that they split
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: it into two because teams. I thought the Broncos several
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: years ago when they cut Russell Wilson should do the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: same thing and then they cut it into two. But
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it would be inconceivable. Given that they're
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: trying to kind of reset the franchise. Kyler Murray, he's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: gonna be cut as well. No one is trading for
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and all scigns point to Malik Willis. Listen.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Timing is a huge part of life, right, I mean,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I knowing these coaches, they move a lot. Like you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: asked them four years ago, try to sell in your
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: house if you got a new job in twenty twenty
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: one or twenty twenty two. They're like, God, I made
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars and I lived in the thing
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for eighteen months. Well talk to him now, trying to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: sell their house a little harder, interest rates a little higher,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: not as many people lined up at the front door
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to buy the thing. So timing matters, and Malik Willis
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: really benefits right now from being twenty six years old,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: played at a high level organization, proven he has dramatically
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: improved last year. Was thrown into multiple situations, one just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: as a starter on a given week, excelled another thrown
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in to the fire in the middle or early in
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a game where he was not the starter, and excelled
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: against the Bears. So he's got a lot of buzz
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and it's not his fault that all the teams are
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be interested in him suck because you got to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: cash in. This league can turn on you in a dime.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And to me, Malik Willis, my guess would be like
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: three year, seventy five million dollars, like fifty million guaranteed,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and there's a chance that he goes to the Cardinals,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to the Jets, to whoever's one of these bad teams,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and it's just it's a terrible situation. I I would
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: kind of bet on that being the case, but he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a choice. This is when you change the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: financial outcome of your life, and those are the teams
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: wanting to pay you. So you got to you gotta pounce.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And he did enough this year that even if that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't go well, Milke wasn't playing the league for a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: long long time and he's gonna be really really rich
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: because of this contract. But we all kind of agree,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't sign to a you probably wouldn't sign
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to a who knows if to a lands anywhere. Kyler's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting, right because there is some physical talent there. Now,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he's battled injuries, he's obviously battled some maturity questions. But
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you know one thing he's really got going against him
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is Ben Johnson talked about this at this press conference.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I love Tyson badget beajit, but listen, I believe he's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: one of the best thirty two quarterbacks in the league.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I think someone is going to trade for Tyson. He's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: under a cheap contract. Even if you got to give
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, you would rather have the hope
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of Tyson because, let's face it, I mean, you could
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: argue hope is one of the most powerful things in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: our lives. What's it feel like when you have no hope?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: What does that usually mean? You're depressed, You're feeling down,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you feel like crap, what happens even if you don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have much going on in life. But it's like, Hey,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I got this job interview coming up in a couple weeks,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: or hey, I got this girl I'm taking out on
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Friday night. The power of hope is real, and to me,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Tyson Bageit allows at least a team to have some
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: hope maybe they found a diamond in the rough over
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Kyler or two. And I also think the comeback of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Derek Carr dramatically hurts those two guys because he's proven
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to play in the league, a long time, super high
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: character guy, been at a ton of different offenses. Now
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Kyler's going to get a spot, but my guess would
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: be he's got to be a backup somewhere in last,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but not least. I saw Florio put this article out
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: on Pro Football Talk. In the headline it made it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was so good it made me click on the article.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It said, fear of AI eliminating jobs makes its way
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to football, And one thing that Florio said was that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: during multiple meetings away from the cameras and microphones, folks
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: currently employed by franchises questioned whether and to what extent
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: AI will supplant positions currently held by humans. He must
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: have been talking to people that I wasn't talking about,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: because I didn't hear AI come up one time. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I do think brings up a couple good points, he said.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: He said, we're starting with the scouts. Many of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: tasks currently performed by a team's staff of scouts can
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: be performed by AI. As one GM explained it, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: reports generated by AI, based on the various data fed
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: into the program were early, thorough, inaccurate. I'm gonna sound
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like a homer because these are my people. This is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that stepping stone led me to this in the life
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that I have now, which I feel very fortunate to have.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Is while I won't disagree that there is going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be some sort of program that is going to be
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: able to take measureables and probably even the film and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: generate some tape, talk to any of these scouts their
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: job beside maybe like six seventh round picks, the least
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: important part of it is the valuation part, especially as
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the area scouts. Maybe for pro scouts you'd be in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: some trouble. You know. The number one job of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: area scouts is to get all the information that is
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: not available find out about his character. Well, guess what
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that is not public information? When you have guys in
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: this draft, which like every draft, are major question marks
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and have issues, whether it because of the law, whether
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it be because of maturity issues inside the facility, whatever
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it may be, you know what happens the teams don't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: just give that stuff out. You get that information based
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: on relationships, based on other human beings. I saw a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: great tweet this weekend basically like I'm shorting all this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: AI and algo stuff because anytime you go somewhere with family,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: with friends, and interact with humans, how good do you
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: feel when you sit and live in the algo? How
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: good do you feel? I even saw Ray Lewis called
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: social media the new drugs. I've said this forever, like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: remember when all to talk about alcohol, young people don't
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: drink alcohol. Remember the Thunder won the NBA Championship and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like half the team had never tried a beer. One
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: takeaway I have from the combine is I saw a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: lot of guys twenty thirty years old, some people that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I had taken calls from and given advice to that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: are now scouts and playoff teams. Is really cool to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: see all having details, all having beers, enjoying themselves. Didn't
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: see any algos, didn't see any AI humans interacting with
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: humans that bring and fill your cup. I promise you,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if you need a lift in life, go interact with
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: other humans. Cause I did more than I typically do
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: at the combine. I felt great despite having six hours
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of sleep. That shit works. Get yourself into the sun,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: talk to other people. And the thing with AI when
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it comes to the scouts getting the information on the people.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Cause if it was just player drafting would be easy.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Why do most of these guys in the NFL fail
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: because the person, because the wiring, because the focus. Shit,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you can't measure. One of the guys who's one of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: my best buddies in the league, who's a coach assistant coach,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: we went out and I was just picking his brain
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: because he's so good with players, and he was just
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: telling me the different players he was interviewing, and he's like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: out on this guy, out on this guy. He's like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: one thing I've learned is like, this is a serious
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: ass league and guys that excel in this league are
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: serious ass people. So when now I get it, you're
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in the draft class, you're still young and immature, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: like dilly dagger, dilly dallying and being like, well figure
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it out, like I'm a like that doesn't work in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the league. It is a league full of bad motherfuckers
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: who are very very serious about their craft. And you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: can you can luck into a year, but you can't
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: have a high end career without being all your chips
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the table. The media has fought
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: this forever. They love the word balance. You need to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: be balanced. Balance doesn't fucking exist. There is The way
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I lead my life is different than the way you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: lead your life, and there is no right or wrong.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But for most of us that you know, whatever you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: certain jobs you have a little less balance with. Maybe
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: your family comes with the territory. Ask NFL coaches, ask
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Wall Street bankers. It's part of the gig. And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: just think when you look at what people are asking
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: from the scouts, a lot of people can I could
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: teach anyone listening to this to evaluate some players. Now,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: some of you might be better than others, but I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: can't teach you all to go into programs where you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: need to develop long standing relationships to find out, well, actually,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this guy was involved in a car accident where someone
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: was left paralyzed. But because we live in this small
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: town and control, it's never gotten out. No one knows
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: about it. Do you think the computer program can do that?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Because I'm not sure they can. Now here's where I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: think I'd be a little nervous and listen. Coaches make
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: more than scouts, so if you are a quality control coach,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that means you're the lowest guy in the total pole.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: For example, when I worked with the Eagles my first year,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson was our quality control coach. My second year,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Matt Naggi was the quality control coach. A couple of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: years before I got there, Sean McDermott had been the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: quality control coach. If you become a quality control coach
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: for the right person, and you are a good coach,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you are a lock to have a great career. Kyle
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Shanahan and Sean McVay started being quality control coaches for
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: John Gruden. Like if you get with the right guy,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it propels your career. So here's what Florio wrote. For
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: coaching staffs, the quality control position is typically held by
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a lower level employee whose job it is to compile
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: information and clips requested by the head coach or typically
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the coordinators. Typically these are labor intensive exercises, requiring more
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: elbow grease than brain power, and it would be very
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: easy to develop a tool to pull the same kind
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of information together without having a quality control assistant in
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: place to perform that work. I think I saw this
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: special on the ramps. And typically when you get the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: lowest position, the quality control position or the offensive assistant
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: for Sean McVay, your job is to draw all the place,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and on Monday and Tuesday you're working like twenty hour
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: days drawing the place. I don't disagree with this because
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: these are positions now that pay one hundred and fifty
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: two hundred grant and you're basically just drawing stuff into
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a computer program where you're not coaching a position, you're
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: not coaching a unit. You're on the field, but you're
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: not doing anything. So I agree here the quality control
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: position would be in major trouble if you can develop
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a program that you can just say what you need
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and it draws all the plays, which to me feels
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: pretty inevitable. And I don't even dispute that the programs
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: will be able to figure out how to write up
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: a player. But how are you calling the GM of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Oregon football and going like what happened to your running back?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: When it's not public information? And it actually makes the
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  Speaker 1: I think the organ running backer. I watched them work out.
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  Speaker 1: Good guy. But you have to understand these programs in
• 35:31
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of guys get off on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of shit that no one knows about. There's a player
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in this draft who's going to go really high, who
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: is involved in a situation off the field that the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: scouts know about, the public does not, and the media
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: then freaks out when stuff comes out. Well, they did
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: against you know how James Pierce work out. Red flags
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: exist and people don't want to go on record and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: say what it isitary information that's kept within the leak
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• 37:13
  Speaker 1: A couple other highlights from Mike Mike Combine. For those
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: of you longtime listeners, remember when Brandon Staley was the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: head coach of the Chargers. I used to make fun
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of his coaching a lot and kind of make fun
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of the person. I thought he was a little bit
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: of a a little bit of a politician, not my
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: type guy. Not my type guy. But I don't know
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: from a character standpoint, it'd be some bad guy. What
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I I've never tried to be too personal. Besides like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm out on this guy, and the Chargers were too
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that they were out on him. They fired him. Well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Wednesday night, I went to dinner with Jackson and we
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: were having We had a bunch of beers and cocktails
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and ate some dinner, and then we were both gonna
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you know that we shut down the restaurant bar at
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: about ten o'clock and we were staying at different hotels.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I changed my hotel last minute, so he was walking home.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I was walking home and as I'm walking home, I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: have to go through the JW. Marriott where all the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: action is happening. So as I'm walking home and I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: was I had a plane flight early at six am
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the next day out. I was honestly planning on just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: going home to bed. But you know, you've had four
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: or five vodcasts. You know you're feeling pretty good. You're like, oh,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: let's just do one round. So I do a round.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: See some people I know start talking. I get very
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: excited with some of the guys that young guys that
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I've known are having a lot of success and just
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: talking to some different young scouts. One guy came up
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to me, is with a really good team now, is
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: really cool. But I text a good buddy. I'm like, hey,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you going out tonight. He's like, yeah, I'll be at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the JW in five minutes. So I waited. So I
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: spent the night with him, and then about an hour
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in he's like, Hey, we're going to this other place.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is probably not the best idea.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: But I go to the front of the hotel. I'm like, hey,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you guys, have a water. They hand me a bottle
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: of water. I'm like, I just maybe I have a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: course light or something at the bar, but I'm just
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: gonna go. And so we're there. You can barely move.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: And I don't even think I've ever beside a strip club.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been to a club in
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: my life. I'm not a club guy. Now this is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a steakhouse, but it essentially turns into a club during
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the combine. You can't move. It's one of those. But
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it's not big at least from what I see online,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of like a club. It's a restaurant. So now they
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: take out all the table so it's just shoulder to shoulder.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys are NFL coaches or
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you know, NFL people. It's bigger people, so you can't
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fucking move an inch, so you're just trying to make
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: your way or see, oh, there's that guy. There's that guy.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I turn around and my guy goes,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to my buddy middle Cough.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: He's a massive podcaster, and I lock eyes and at
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: first I didn't recognize him because Brandon Staley is now bold.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: But Brandon looks at me, I look at him. It
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was almost like we both knew you're in these weird situations.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You just kind of say, hey, nice to meet you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: But it was and it's one of those I have
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: said forever you feel a little fraudulent. Now, if you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: would have asked, I would have said, but it wasn't
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: really the point. You can't even hear anyone talk. But
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm being introduced in the middle
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of this bar club to Brandon Staley, who is now
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: completely bald. And one thing I heard is obviously in
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: New Orleans he's a good defensive coach did a good
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: job for them. They got If they get Jeremiah Love
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in the in the draft, they would be a sleeper
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: playoff team next year the New Orleans Saints. They got
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a lot going for But I met Brandon Staley and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, this is kind of awkward. I'm not gonna lie.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Other two guys I met, which probably not my finest hour.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I'd had a few too many. One Anthony Weaver, who
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is the Ravens defensive coordinator, who was the Dolphins defensive
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: coordinator last year, who was interviewed for head coaching jobs.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I as I told him because I watched the Ravens
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: press conference. I'm like, bro, you're a lot now he didn't.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's a massive former NFL defensive lineman.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: He's huge, he's good looking, he's well spoken. I'm like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you're the total package, bro' you're gonna be you feel
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: like a lock to be a head coach and just
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: a really impressive guy. And Joe Brady was the other
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: guy who has a, you know, a young millennial feel.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got the chain. He just kind of
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: looks cool. He just he doesn't feel like most of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the other coaches. I would say, like when you see
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh or Mike Vrabel or just most of these guys.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I met Mike McDonald, who the guy I was out
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: with Wednesday night, worked with him and goes Mike because
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, can you introduce me to Mike?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So he's like, hey, hey, Mike was walking into the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: hotel room as we were leaving, and he introduces me
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: to Mike. And Mike's you know, is unassuming and under
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the radar. I mean, he'd be the last if you
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: didn't know football and you said, which guys do you
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: think won the Super Bowl? It would be all these
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: guys puffing their chest out walking around the JW. Marriott
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that are like dB coaches on the Jets. You know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not like, whoever the dB coaches on the Jets.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that guy specifically. I'm just saying random guys,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: big egos, like who the fuck are you? Mike McDonald
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: walked in, He's like, oh uh me, I forget the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: guy's name. He's like, meet James. We went to high
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: school together and they were just like out of dinner.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you, guys, you and John Snyder got to
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: be the most low key Super Bowl champs in the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: history of the league. I mean easily the history of
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the league. They just the way they carry themselves, The
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: way they act, how nice they are to people, very
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: very impressive. And the way it was described to me,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why is he so impressive? We know how
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: good he is as a defensive coach right as like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: a schemer, but the way it was described to me,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: he's like, you don't understand when he went with Jim
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh to the Michigan Wolverines. Well, when he got rehired
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: by the Ravens, they named him the defensive coordinator. They
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: had Anthony Weaver on the staff, They had Zach Orr
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: on the staff, who was the defensive coordinator last year.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: They had all these established coaches on the staff that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: he basically left as an assistant, went with John's brother
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Jim to be a coordinator for one year, and then
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: just jumped above when he got rehired. And he's like,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: how impressive he was dealing with those guys. He's like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: it was a seamless transition and right when that happened,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in the respect those guys had for him and the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: way he handled kind of a delicate situation because we're
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: all human beings. If you're somewhere and you get passed
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: over for a gig, especially one that pays as much
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: as that and as prestigious as that the defensive coordinator
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: for the Ravens, there could be a lot of animosity,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of hostility. Last time I checked, Zach Orr
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and Anthony Weaver played in the league. Mike McDonald didn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: play in college, and he's like, it didn't even phase
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: any of them. And you look at Anthony Weaver, You're
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like fuck. I mean that guy was taking orders from
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's like, yeah, he did, no problem, So hey
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: left that combine, Like I'll buy more Mike McDonald's stock.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Just a high level, easygoing cat. Obviously, he's good with
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the players, great with the coaches, which is an underrated
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: aspect of being a coach is how you deal with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the other coaches. Because I've said it forever. The money
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: these guys make is enormous. Like if you're a position
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: coach and you're making half a million dollars, you're in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the low end. I mean I heard stories of offensive line
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: coaches making two three million dollars getting mad and other
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: coaches on their staff not showing up to meetings. It's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: just like egos with the assistant coaches is as big
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: as the players, which is ironic because they constantly preach
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to the players like the team, the team, be a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: good teammate, be all in. It's like, well, you guys, aren't.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You guys are backstabbing everyone trying to make it so.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: The NFL is a crazy place. It's like it's like
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a millionaire high school with the gossip, you know, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: these guys are public, famous people. It's like a Bravo show.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Each UFC meets like Wall Street. It's just a weird combination.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: It's hard to even describe. But when you're there, it's like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: when these guys go to the combine, they really just
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: let loose. So one piece of advice if you ever
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: want to break into football, there was not an easier
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: way to meet people that you would basically have a
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: very difficult time ever getting around than just going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Indianapolis for several days and whether you drink or not,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: just going out at night and just being social. Just
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: going out at night and being social. I mean there
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: were times where I had friends I was waiting on
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that were interviewing people and I was kind of in between,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: like I didn't really have anywhere to go. I'd already
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: eaten dinner. Jackson was getting up early the next day,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: so he was already in bed. I'm like, I'm only
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: here for a couple of Jacksons, say, the whole week.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I was like, I just got it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I started rolling around by myself. Shit, I would never
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: do now ever, It honestly kind of brings you back
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to like when you were like young and hungry, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I'm forty years old. That's stuff I would have done
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: when I was like twenty four. I can't even imagine,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: but it kind of makes you feel good. You feel accomplished.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: When he left, like I started talking to people that
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I talked to more people in two days than I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: probably have in six months. Beside you people, I have
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: more people listening to me, but I don't actually get
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to interact with most of you guys. So combine man
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. He would have been pretty low in my
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: bingo card of people not only would run into but
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: then have an interaction with uh. And I do think
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he's part of a team. Is gonna be really good.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: The volume