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CJP #10: Ryan Quinn · Coconut Justice

• speaker-0: What is good, you guys? We're excited. We're excited. Do you guys remember when we had a conversation with Dean Thomas and he was talking about coming out with a podcast and his homie and all that stuff? Well, we got his homie, you guys. Ryan Quinn is here. Let's go. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, he's his homie, huh? ⁓ man. ⁓ speaker-0: He was blowing you up. He said you guys are best of friends, almost brothers, and you guys doing all things together. Yeah, he was hyping you up pretty good, man. speaker-1: Dean and I have ⁓ an an interesting relationship. we have we're very we're extremely like-minded, but like we we have different paths on how we get to where we want to go, but we're both very well aware that not only do we respect that we can learn from one another on how to get there. Like you could even see, like we he was one of my coaches at American Top Team, and then we started coaching together. And it's it's it's you you need that, right? Like it's it's you gotta be open minded, you gotta understand that there's more than one way to skin the cat. And ever since then it's it's become a wonderful friendship. He's really, really one of the better friends of my life. speaker-0: Nice. Speaking of which, very similarly. C4 explosives is here. Like we kinda we kinda like that too. speaker-2: What? speaker-1: Yeah, awesome, awesome. Sorry time off. speaker-0: Don't even. It's it's it's all good. We are family, kid. So ⁓ you know, going going back to when you know your and Dean's relationship, when did how did you guys meet? speaker-2: No, you're speaker-1: So ⁓ actually it's it's really funny how we met we we started to really connect when he came back to American top team and started coaching when I was still fighting. ⁓ then when I got into coaching, plus him and I love to figure things out. Like he him and I like we both read the most random books. And and we it's and we're all ⁓ you gotta check this out, you gotta check that out. And we just look because we both love learning. And I remember because I'm actually I'm a huge baseball fan. And I remember Isaac, you gotta read the book Moneyball. Because I because it's because the coaching thing is like, ⁓ dude, this is crazy. So like that's when we realize like we we both are like minded, like we're we do things. But funny enough, and I can't find this video anymore, but I know it's exists. So the first time I've ever seen Dean Thomas in person, I went to the Ultimate Fighter Tryouts in 2008 in Chicago, and he was there. And there's a video. I had the best one minute grappling I ever had in my life. I submitted this dude in three three times in one minute. I swear, and I swear there's video. Anyway, in that video in that and this when Dean was in the UFC, right? And in that video, you see Dean in the background, like this, looking at like and then Dean and I we didn't meet and and get tight for another 10 years. It's so crazy how how it works out. But ⁓ Yeah, yeah. And so I'm like, I gotta find that video, man. It's not like but ⁓ then when I really started coaching and picking his brain because I knew that he was passionate about coaching, that's when it really hit it off when we started coaching together. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: And then ⁓ you know, we stayed in touch and when COVID happened and ⁓ and then I started doing the YouTube thing and he was really getting into media and now we talk all the time. speaker-0: Where did you grow up? speaker-1: ⁓ I grew up in Connecticut slash New York. I I I moved to Connecticut when I was thirteen. ⁓ and then that's where I I I I went to high school and college. But then I moved down here when I was ⁓ twenty four. So ⁓ yeah, South Florida, sorry. Okay. speaker-0: Down here in Florida. No, all good. ⁓ so you grew up in the north area and you're talking about baseball and stuff like that. Were you an athletic kid when you were going through school? speaker-1: Yeah, northeast. ⁓ yeah, yeah. I ⁓ I was actually really good at baseball until I was about twelve. I was actually on a national travel team when I was twelve. And then I started wrestling when I was thirteen and I just never wanted to go to the baton cages anymore. I just wrestled like ⁓ and it you have to you have to do one or the other. Well, I had to anyway. I had to do one or the other to succeed and I just wrestling was my thing. Even I remember my dad saying to me, my like we're huge baseball people. He's like, I I think this is your niche kid. And I remember I just got into wrestling and then ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: That led to jujitsu slash MMA and brought me down here to American top team. speaker-0: Do you have any do you have any I'm sorry, real quick. Do you have any siblings? speaker-1: ⁓ yeah. I have two younger sisters. They don't wrestle. speaker-0: Okay. What were you saying, Mike? I'm sorry. speaker-2: I was saying my son wrestles too. He's ⁓ he's wrestled three years. This is his third year in high school. ⁓ and this is the year that he's like all in. speaker-1: Yeah. Where are you guys? speaker-2: ⁓ I'm in Jensen Beach. I'm not I'm not far. I actually met I met I met Dean in Port St. Lucie at ⁓ at a jujitsu ⁓ like a tr a gym. We were ⁓ my son was doing some off season drills and stuff like that. And ⁓ random enough that was his last day there and then Dean walked in or yeah, something like that. ⁓ speaker-1: Okay. Wrestling, like but my dad even says this all the time. I love wrestling so much. That's that's so great that your kids in it. Cause my dad always says, sorry, my dad always says he goes, Wrestling taught you in areas how to be a man that I couldn't. He's like just my waking up. We I don't know why they don't do this anymore. I mean, maybe they do, but I know the high schools down here didn't. We used to have to wear a shirt and tie to school on match day. And I was like, if I'm ever a wrestling coach, my team is doing that, they're gonna be presentable. And ⁓ he's like I like I I started to keep my grades up so I wouldn't, you know, fail off the wrestling team. Like all this stuff I dealt with loss and I was just I wanted to be in shape nonstop and like I wasn't going out of like and so I that's awesome. Please keep in wrestling. I I think that wrestling's good. speaker-2: It's changed it's changed the whole the whole his whole landscape, his whole mindset, his again, that's those are the foundations of being a man. Like like you see it coming to fruition, the the daily drills, going in there like six o'clock in the morning and be before school, after school and and yeah, man, it's he's gonna be a piece this year. I'm excited. speaker-1: Awesome. Me too. Definitely please keep me in a loop on that. Cool. speaker-2: Yeah, for sure. speaker-0: So what was it like when w you got into wrestling when you were in high school? speaker-1: I w I was in eighth grade. When I was in eighth grade, that's when WWE and was taken off. ⁓ what? Ninety ⁓ ninety eight. speaker-0: What what time frame what Okay. speaker-1: I was in seventh grade actually. Sorry. Sorry. So n ninety nine is really when I started wrestling. Sorry. So speaker-2: Is it like D generation X and all that in that in that in that frame? speaker-1: So We loved we loved pro wrestling and me and my friends went out for the wrestling team and then the next year I was the only one who stuck with it. I was like and I remember my dad, ⁓ my first match, I remember my dad, he actually ⁓ he took he he worked in construction, he took off early to go watch me wrestle and he thought that's what he was about to go see. He's like and then I got my ass kicked in thirty seconds, and then he's like my dad he told me this way later. He was I was waiting to see how you were gonna react to that. And then when you said that you wanted to get back to it, I was like this is Yeah, like he's he's like if this is good this is gonna be so good for him because you know, now like I just got smoked and now I still wanna keep going and and getting better. Yeah. So yeah. speaker-0: Do you find that a lot with kids? Like when they get what and this is for this question is kind of for both of you. When when you see a kid these days, you know, kid I I grew up in the 70s, this it was different. ⁓ but like kids these days when they bump into adversity like that, do you find that most of them kind of throw their hands up and quit or do they push through? speaker-1: ⁓ well, I don't I you know it I think it's a little different because I'm in a martial arts setting where it's kind of expected where things are gonna happen where I see most kids. my son's only five, so I'm I'm like kind of new experience in like how kids are at all. But my my son is very competitive. I don't know where he gets it from. speaker-2: So speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: i actually it was funny, he loves swimming and usually I let him win when we're when we're doing the races and stuff. And I was one day I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna let him win. I want to see what happens. He made me race him 21 times until he he won. Go with So yeah, like for the kicking habit. But so like the kids that I see, I don't know. I understand things a little easier these days, you you gotta be a little like but ⁓ I don't I don't know, maybe maybe just the programs that I'm around, they just that they make the kids demand more of themselves. speaker-2: Mm. speaker-1: So I don't I don't really see that in in the setting mount that I'm at, but I understand that it's out there though. speaker-2: There is that mindset though, like, ⁓ I mean the fundamentals of wrestling, you have the mindset wrestler, right? Like, you know, so but like it take it takes a while that that I see ⁓ in high school for the kids to actually ⁓ to buy in. The ones that'll buy in are buying in at like five, six, seven. The ones that are coming in in a high school, they'll they're trying out and they'll either flake out or I mean, in all honesty, my son wanted to quit. first year. He's like this is like Hell Week was really Hell Week for him and he he didn't want to go through it. You know, and then the second the second s the second season he he wanted to quit again. He w quit before he wanted to quit two days before the state championship. Coach is like, I'm not letting you quit. You know, I want to see what you're made of. You you caught you traveled the road too far, and those are the the fundamentals. And and then he now this year he came seventh in the state last year, and now he's he's he's gunning for varsity and he's like he's got this hunger in his eye, man. So there there is that yes or no, like you can you can bend or break, you know. If the ones that bend We'll we'll come back for sure. speaker-1: Absolutely. speaker-0: Was there ever a time, Ryan, where you were just like, This is bullshit. I math. speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ I had a similar situation. I was in eighth grade and my coach was putting me against all these studs and I wasn't winning. And I was just like, This guy just doesn't like me. And I was like, I don't know, like this is my second year wrestling. Maybe I'm just not as good as I thought. And I remember I don't know if I ever said I want to quit, but I remember I was crying. I was like fourteen. I was like, I'm crying. I was like, Well and then he's he's like, I'm not he's like, I'm not doing this to punish you, I'm doing this to bring out the best in you. And It's difficult and you don't see it, you might not see it tomorrow. But this is what I'm doing. And it and it it was I I'm a slow learner. I'll I I'll tell you right now, I got another story in a minute. But ⁓ so and then we went to the state tournament, somebody or son, and I was the second to last seed, and I made it to the finals and I lost in overtime because I just got so much better and I was smoking these kids left and right. ⁓ in and even when I was in high school, I I I wrestled varsity because I got a little bit better. ⁓ but I had a losing record my my first year. I was 14 and 22, and I was No, this this ain't right. Like I was just like I just knew after going through that. It's just funny, these life lessons you don't realize are life lessons until later. Thinking about that, like this ain't this ain't me, this ain't me. And then my my my sophomore year did a little bit better. I was 40 and 40 my freshman and sophomore year. My junior and senior year, I was 110 and 17, and I finished sixth in the country. So it's like speaker-0: I think. speaker-1: Stuff like that, like like I'm I'm never gonna stop. Like that's not speaker-0: That what's that feel like? 'Cause like this country has what three and a half billion people. In this in this certain group, you're like sixth best. speaker-1: Well, you know, I like Yeah, I I didn't know until later. And like and like and like that, you know, when my dad gets excited about it, you know, like his house. But ⁓ which is cool. But I ⁓ yeah, yeah, like it's like wow, you know, that's it's pretty awesome. I was all American, you know, it's cool to like talk about it like this. speaker-2: It's crazy. It's crazy how like, you know, you you're how l like ⁓ your freshman year, it seems like it's so long, right? Yeah. You're going through those you're going through those defeats and then but there's a four year lane right there, a runway where you know you come back next season, like it's a whole different it it's the reset, you know, last season didn't happen anymore. You're going you're going on and then you know and then you're going every year you're going in and then what, you're a hundred and five and seventeenth and you're you're killing people, man. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. Crazy, man. speaker-2: That's awesome. That's awesome. ⁓ I I've seen some videos, man. The the wrestling is is is there, man. Like I see it. Like, you know, is it is that is that like the ⁓ the muscle memory right off the rip? Cause I know you I you had a quote where ⁓ something about ⁓ balancing your bread and butter with like trying trying new things because you gotta implement the jujitsu and it's a multifaceted game, but like your wrestling is there, man, and you're you're you're wearing these guys out, you're dogging them. speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, yeah, that's I never got away from that. You know, well I I did a little bit, but luckily it all then really came out in a fight. But yeah, I my identity was always a wrestler, and I think it's important for fighters to remember what your identity is and not get away from it. Cause like I don't know if you know who King Mo is, he's one of my best friends, friend of Dean's. And I remember w we're training, I'm going through this and ⁓ I'm starting to work on my striking and then my wrestling kind of suffered because I was ignorant and he goes, Me, I remember he goes, You're vanilla dog. He's like, You're not you're just you you're you're you're two fifty fifty. Remember why you started striking is to get to your wrestling. And then when I did that, yeah. And I got better. And I I I'm confident in saying that I was one of the best wrestlers. And I took down everybody in the room. ⁓ and because I I was I was cool with my identity, you know, I was comfortable speaker-0: So how did it d walk us through your jump from wrestling in high school to ⁓ the ultimate fighter? speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ so I I wrestled, I was wrestling in college, I went to Sacred Heart University to wrestle division one. ⁓ I transferred home and ⁓ something happened where like long story short, like I I transferred from a junior college and then they they changed with the the clearinghouse, which basically was eligibility and like I couldn't wrestle for three years. I'm like, Well I'm not gonna do that wrestle after the season. So I was broken, I moved home and I remember ⁓ Matt Hughes beats Hoyce Gracie in in the UFC and And then that you know, this country white boy is beating all these this wrestler is beating all these crazy martial artists from around the world. And I'm like, ⁓ that could be me, man. So I I try it on like, ⁓ I'm gonna dominate this. And I go in, I try a jiu-jitsu class, and some beanpole mid forty year old submits me three times in a minute. I'm like this is crazy. How do they do this shit? And ⁓ and like I was in I was a a division one wrestler at the time and I was in shit. speaker-0: Okay. speaker-1: It was just freaking tying me in knots. I'm like, all right, this this can't happen again. So then I d I learned that because I have a giant ego and I'm like, I'm gonna I'm never gonna lose these jujitsu people again. And then I and while I was doing MA I fell in love with jujitsu too. And so that here where we are now. speaker-2: It's funny to see the wrestlers go into jujitsu class. Like 'cause my son my son is like, Man, I'm I'm dominant, I'm taking all these guys out and then I'm like, Yeah, three seconds later they're choking you out. Like like 'cause you're going for the double leg and then the next thing you know, you're getting choked. speaker-1: Yeah, I used to get so excited when I took people down to jujitsu, it's like pfft means nothing. speaker-2: ⁓ man. Hey and you you and you you're how tall are you? speaker-1: Five nine on a good day. speaker-2: So you're you're short for your high your you like your class, right? So what's the my my son is two, so he's he's only he's only five five. And like so he's he's he's he's on a shorter side too. So how how do you how'd you overcome that ⁓ adversity? speaker-1: ⁓ I get well I I turned into a strength. I I know like I'm because I'm so short and compact. I was like, you know, I'm I'm gonna be really tough for people to drop their level and take me down. ⁓ so what I would do is especially because my wrestling was so much better than my boxing, I would cheat into a boxing stance because that would now you gotta beat me with a single leg. You're not gonna double leg me because I'm too short and I'm only showing you bl a blade of my body. ⁓ so I did that. So and on top of that, I really got down a good jab. A good jab and a good feint to cover distance and break distance away. So and then and then moving my head with my punches. That was another thing that a lot of short guys gotta learn to do. And once I got in on that, I was I was money. That and just working the clinch to move people's head around. So I I actually I there was never really a time, especially in MMA, where I thought being short was an issue. I w and actually I'm I'm pretty strong and stout, not fast. I'm not like I'm not don't don't get it confused with athletic. But ⁓ I'm ⁓ I'm I'm pretty strong and st and stout. So I was able to use that to to my advantage. I never really thought of my my height being a disadvantage. speaker-0: Wanted to talk about like you were talking about throwing putting that jab out there. I come from a boxing background, so when we throw a jab, it's from it's from here and straight out, bow, right? And then you kind of like step into it. So you you know, whoever your opponent is, they're gonna walk into a pole. Bow. I had a friend or I have a friend. That did MMA, but he was teaching his kids to kind of step to the side and throw that jab. Does that make sense? speaker-1: No I'm I ⁓ speaker-0: Like they would he was teaching his kids to take it's almost like a forty five degree angle with that lead foot. And they would jump. speaker-1: Is he trying to set up is he trying to set up a takedown? Because that sounds like it's gonna open you up for so much stuff. No, I'm I'm keeping a crisp boxing jab. I mean, I'll create angles on the reset maybe, but ⁓ no, I I I wouldn't I wouldn't mess with that. ⁓ unless he unless he's trying to set up a takedown or he's trying to slip to a to a takedown. I for that that's not out of my playbook. speaker-0: That's what I was wondering. Yeah. speaker-1: I I'm I'm trying to jab ⁓ and I'm trying to cover up and shell while I'm jabbing. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, because his kids were like his kids were doing that and I and I stopped him. I said, Why are you doing that? Why are you walking to the side? You're taking away the power of that jab. A jab is a stop sign. And your balance. Because if they rush you, you're you're out out of place. And you're anyway. I didn't I I told them, ⁓ if that's what he's teaching you, then do that. And I walked out. speaker-1: No less. Response. Yeah, yeah, that's what you gotta do. speaker-0: Not do not I'm not trying to take over anyone's kids or teachers or whatever. I just know speaker-1: Well been there. speaker-2: say you try to keep your head off center, but other than that you gotta you gotta make sure that that that that right that jab's staying in your pocket right there. speaker-0: Yeah. Let's let's go back to because this is something that I rarely hear people talk about when they're talking about fighting and boxing and stuff like that. Let's talk about those angles and stuff that you just brought up. Like when you're trying to what I boxing is a lot like chess. People don't people just think it's two dudes up there or two people up there just beating and mangling each other. And not even just boxing, but MMA. ⁓ It's like chess. Explain to people like when you're in your stance and you're looking at your opponent, what what does it mean to find those angles? speaker-1: All right. So what what I mean by finding those angles is funny. I just had this conversation with a kid who was in the Dana White Contender Series fight last week, ⁓ Max and Lee. ⁓ when I'm trying to find those angles, it's both for offensive and defensive purposes. I want to get out of the line of fire. But also, if I can create that angle, first I'm like trying to size up off your shoulder, especially if you're right-handed. I box right-handed. ⁓ if if I get that angle, I'm just ripping that body to the head. You know, I'm trying to really, really Something in front of the kidneys is getting hit. ⁓ when you could create when you could beat your opponent to the angle, you have a clear you have a clear advantage to be offensive. It's almost like you know how in the medieval times with the castles, how they go spiral, they did that so the right-handed fighters could have the advantage on the way down. That's more or less when you create that angle in boxing, that's what you're doing. You have that angle with the sword. ⁓ and that's ⁓ That that's the importance of it. Plus you can create that let's say you're you're trying to fight north south, which I actually do a lot because I'm shorter. If you're getting beat in combinations and exchanges or you can't get that takedown, I have to create that angle to get out of the way. Or I have to take that angle because I'm shorter to take their weight this way, take their weight off off off center. I have to grab a single that way. You know, that's so when you have an angle, you're winning in so many different areas in fighting. speaker-2: And that's the beauty of the dance. That's the beauty of the dance of it all. And I I and I think and I think that's that's that's why I love Terrence Crawford's last fight against Canelo, man, because he pieced him up. Masterpiece. Stepping on the outside foot and just working, not even getting hit, a little shot a little shell here and there, and then just like he just was ripping him. speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, good. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ that was a great file. People were telling me it was boring. I'm like, you gotta go back and watch. It's it was such a master class of boxing. speaker-0: That was a great fight. Just like people getting upset when you have two really good pitchers and baseball teams going at each other. You might not understand it because you've never been in it. I was a catcher up until I was like 35 or something. You know, so I know what to look for and I know like again the angles when you're when you're playing baseball, you know that I I know that this guy who's batting has certain tendencies. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: So I'm gonna tell my all ⁓ my outfield to shift to the left or to the right. I see the entire game as the catcher. I see the entire game. speaker-1: That's wonderful. What a great analogy. speaker-0: Yeah. So for people to say, ⁓ that Canelo fight was boring, you don't understand what you're looking for. speaker-1: Here I'll be home runs. speaker-0: Yeah. And not just that, like any any boxing fan, not just brawlers, but boxers, it that technique is what you're looking for. You don't necessarily're not necessarily going to a Floyd Mayweather fight expecting a knockout. You're looking for some quick jabs and some dope ass combinations, and he's never gets hit. speaker-1: Right. Right. speaker-0: Yeah, we got it. speaker-2: I think a lot too is like with the the weight of that fight, the f the fight was a like a coming of ages fight. It was like one of those once in a lifetime fights, right? So you get a lot of fight fight ⁓ people watching it that are that are MMA watchers. They they watch the UFC and they wanna just go out there and see blood. Somebody get pummeled to death. Yeah. You know, everybody's ⁓ bloodthirsty. So when when you put on a master class of boxing, the sweet science, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's ⁓ like man, what am I watching here? speaker-1: Yeah, MMA fans MMA fans are the worst. ⁓ speaker-0: They they they really speaker-1: They they think they know fighting, but they know brawling. They don't they like the switch science is really pretty if you really know what you're watching. That's that's how I look at it. speaker-2: And that's why wrestlers get to eat too, man, because they don't underst they don't understand. They're like, ⁓ man, they everybody booze and shit. I'm like, man, come on. speaker-0: Meanwhile the wrestler's wrestling his ass off. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, don't even get me started, man. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Hey. speaker-0: When you're in the heat of battle, is wrestling your go to? speaker-1: One thousand percent. Yeah. It's my security blanket. It's my identity. speaker-2: There was some research, man. I you know, you get your hand raised and then you you got some mic skills, my man. You've talked you've been talking so you're talking some shit. ⁓ w I call one and said the guy asked me what goes through your mind, you're like, Nothing goes through my mind. I'm like, damn boy He's like, okay. speaker-1: Me? I d I don't know what it was what I thought, but that was like it's like you know when you're on Zoom and then everything else around you is cloudy and then it's just like that's how it was for me. I I I really I I I just and I and you know what? I knew not to question it 'cause I didn't want to lose it. I just always competed better than I than I trained. And ⁓ I really ⁓ and yeah, I watched a lot of WWE when I was younger. So I'm sure that's speaker-0: But ⁓ speaker-1: No, I just ⁓ yeah, I just I gotta do this and I gotta do that did this now. And that's that's kind of what it was. I did have a couple fights I remember I was distracted and like I just ⁓ start like humming songs and stuff, like well what the fuck am I doing? You know, like But ⁓ but no yeah, I it's just ⁓ that was something I was always very grateful for and I knew not to question it. speaker-0: Well speaker-2: You ever talk shit to somebody while you're beating them up like that? speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: We say all the time. ⁓ speaker-1: No, I you know what? ⁓ no, I never did. I never I never did. I I mean I've I actually we to like like there's been times where like someone gets a like a nutshot in or something ⁓ sorry bro like that was it like that was the only conversation we ever had. Like I I was always fairly respectable. Like when I I understand, like no, I never talk shit in a fight. There was there was only fought one guy I didn't like once. And ⁓ and I even then I I didn't talk any shit. speaker-0: When when you're fighting against someone that you know and you like versus someone that you despise, is your approach different? speaker-1: Nah, you gotta win. Win's a win, you know. ⁓ I yeah, I mean I remember the the one guy I I was I knew pretty well that I when I fought him. ⁓ I I I we we said hello before at the weigh-ins and everything and then, you know, we're keeping our distance after that. Like that was you know, we still gotta fight. Like I'm not gonna you know that yeah, we shook and hug and whatever, but ⁓ but no, nothing changes. You know, it's all it's it's like you're playing baseball, whether you don't like him or you like him. It's the same it's you you're so competitive, right? Like that's why like I know that MMA is a fight, but at the same time it's it's a competition that's a game. And I always looked at it like that. speaker-0: Yeah. 'Cause I could imagine having just a little extra anger, a little just a little sprinkling of pissed offness with this person that maybe said something or did something. You're just like, but for you, you're just like, it don't matter. Ring the bell. I'm about to eat. speaker-1: Yeah, I gotta win. I gotta I need a win. That's that's what it is. ⁓ even even when we're training sometimes, like I'm like, I'll yeah, I'll get to know you after. Like let's just let's just get this let's get this rounded. speaker-0: Yeah. How was it did you like being on ⁓ Ultimate Fighter? speaker-1: ⁓ I wasn't on the Ultimate Fighter. I tried out for it. ⁓ I fought for Bellator. So I ⁓ I was that's where I fought nine times for Bellator. I yeah, I tried out the Ultimate Fighter, I didn't make it. But ⁓ from what everything my friend said speaker-0: You in the weren't you in the UFC for a few fights? speaker-1: No, no. I was I was ⁓ I was an alternate on whatever season the Black Zillions versus American top team. ⁓ but I was never in the OC. speaker-0: ⁓ okay. speaker-2: And I I just wanna throw this in there because I talked to Dean earlier today, right? 'Cause I was like, Man, I got Quinn coming ⁓ Ryan coming on the show, man. I was like, What ⁓ is there anything you want to ask him? And I was like, he chimed back, he goes, Make sure you give him time to discuss his MMA career because he never fought in the UFC. People tend to dismiss his contribution. His journey was just as important as anybody else's. And in fact, I'd say without Ryan's influence We might not have some of the big names we recognize today. speaker-0: Yeah, big dog. Yeah, big dog. speaker-2: So I wanna mi I wanted to make sure that Dean Dean knows that this man right here that's on the show with us today is getting his shot. speaker-1: That really means a lot, guys. Thank you. And I'll thank Dean too. Yeah. Yeah, he's really we put a lot of work in there together and ⁓ he's very big on making sure everyone gets their due. And ⁓ that really means a lot. Thank you. speaker-0: And to be and to be clear, and to be clear, Bellator was full of killers too. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, it's not like it's not like you just go like wake up and you got a contract in the UFC. The the there's a journey that's involved with that, you know. speaker-1: point at a certain point in my career, sorry to cut you up, it's like I was making fairly good money with Bellator. And if I had gone to the UFC, I'm gonna be making less money. And yeah, and it would have been nice to to go out a Yankee, you know, but you know, I I'm time I'm talking about getting married at that time. And you know, I just I gotta make I'm trying to make a career of this. You know, I don't I don't ⁓ how much of a step back could I take? Plus, as far as my my clout so to speak, I probably had more of a shot at at going up the ladder with Bellator than starting over with the UFC. like any business, you know, it's ⁓ so at that point, yeah, I wanted to be in the UFC. ⁓ I actually I got I got a call to be ⁓ to be an altern to be an alternate lesson like a short notch replacement once in two thousand fourteen at the UFC, but I wasn't in shape. And ⁓ it was like five days before it I was never gonna make weight. I was really pissed about that. But whatever, you know, I was pissed and you know I never let myself get out of shape again. So it's all good. speaker-2: That's good too that you didn't say, There's the opportunity, let me jump on it and and you knew physically that you weren't ready for it. speaker-1: I wasn't gonna make weight. Yeah, I wasn't gonna make weight. I used to cut a lot of weight to make one fifty five and this was like peak fatness for me. Like it was like we're speaker-0: Ha ha ha. speaker-2: That's the turkey leg. ⁓ wait, I gotta fight tomorrow. Hold on. speaker-0: Yeah. What's your what do you walk around the streets at? speaker-1: When I was fighting like one eighty eight, one eight one ninety. speaker-0: How are you ⁓ where are you now? Two ⁓ five. I'm I'm six feet two be I bounce between two fifteen, two twenty. I cannot break two fifteen, dude. speaker-1: Like twelve five. Yeah. When I'm intermittent fasting r religiously, it really helps. I've heard that it really does help. Even though that I was, then I stopped. And ⁓ I was doing it good up until today. So I really wish you didn't bring that up. speaker-0: No. speaker-2: For a while. speaker-0: We were sent just to let you know, we were sent to get you back on track. ⁓ boy. speaker-2: Yeah, man. speaker-1: Go get your Yeah, yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: And boiled chicken brass. speaker-2: That's what he said, man. speaker-0: Hey, let me catch my breath because that was some funny shit. No, not ⁓ speaker-1: And speaker-2: son right now he's he's floating around he's walking around 120 but he wants to wrestle at 113 right ⁓ he's 16 so he he's in the realm like he he could do it like we we started scaling back and getting get him on ⁓ a more ⁓ we've been stripping away the junk food and and it's not even any it's not anything that like is is ⁓ we're forcing him or like making him like run like you know do solid foods and shit like that speaker-1: Hold on. speaker-2: You know, he's doing it correctly. So like, ⁓ what what is what it what was what would you ⁓ give ask of your fighters as far as the diet and the stuff like that? speaker-1: Well, I mean you gotta imagine too, once wrestling season hits, he's gonna lose another three pounds at least, three or four pounds. So it's not gonna be as bad. But ⁓ what would I say? I mean, just when and where you eat what you're eating. Like and you'll find once you get in shape, you're not your body's not gonna when I was wrestling, I used to after tournaments, I used to always get a bacon cheeseburger and then just go back to what I was doing. ⁓ just I would vegetables and when you eat your carbs. ⁓ maybe piece of fruit with peanut butter. ⁓ But like the carbs, the carbs are not the enemy. It's when you eat them. You know, I eat them either an hour before or an after an hour after you you train and you're good, you know, and it it's ⁓ carbs carbs are so important. I I wouldn't have made one fifty five healthily if I didn't eat my carbs because I tried and it sucked. speaker-0: To break that down for people that that don't fully understand, like if you eat say a salad or anything like that, that's kind of like gasoline and then that those carbs are kind of like the the turbo. speaker-1: Yeah, very good. I like it. Right. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. So that's why you'll see you'll see a lot of like long distance, whether it's runners or biking or anything like that, they'll they'll load up on pasta the night before. And then they just go out and they do whatever shenanigans it is that they're getting into. Yeah. So that's that's smart to actually if you're looking to lose weight and to leverage food a little bit more scientifically, like you said. speaker-1: Right, right. speaker-0: It's when you eat those carbs that that helps or hurts. Yeah. Don't eat cookies an hour before you go to bed. speaker-1: Yep, exactly. Yeah. I you know, I tried that, ⁓ I'm I'm getting like heartburn at night. speaker-0: ⁓ it's only gonna get worse, baby. It's only gonna get worse. speaker-2: Yeah, he's been pretty good, man. Like we we cut out a bunch of stuff and and like the other day he's he's starting to map like eat avocados like apples. speaker-1: There you go. Thing go. Avocados are the superfood. speaker-2: So and he would he wouldn't he wouldn't touch a vegetable four years ago. speaker-1: That's right. speaker-0: I tried to I tried to you know how you take an avocado and you put a egg in it and then you bake it? I tried to do that, it was so disgusting. speaker-1: Yeah. No, I gotta try it. It's like I've never done it. speaker-0: ⁓ it's nasty. Don't do it. ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ No promises. speaker-2: On the next episode, Ryan Ryan makes Ryan makes the egg and with an avocado. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, don't do it. Okay, don't waste your time. speaker-2: What's it like in America top team? speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, I mean it's a room full of killers, you know, but it's it's there's still a camaraderie there. You know, I ⁓ I when I went in there, I was humble enough to just, you know, just show up, keep when they need me, you know, go in there and ⁓ and then I became one of the boys. ⁓ and you know, you gotta you gotta keep up. It's it's like when you're in there, but then if if you're just there and doing the bare minimum, the coaches aren't gonna pay you any attention. We we had sixty fighters on the mat. And a lot of them are making six figures a fight. If you want to get the coach's attention, you know, they they they they they're gonna focus on who they gotta focus on. If you you gotta show why you're there. So I mean, I I worked my way up and ⁓ a lot of the guys like trade with me. I was a very good, safe training partner. I was I was very ⁓ you know, I was I was competent as far as as far as like giving them the proper amount of production when they were going with me. ⁓ and ⁓ yeah I I loved it, you know, that's I I I have a lot of great friends that are still there. ⁓ you know, COVID happened and I wasn't signed anywhere, so I got a job in sales. So that's kind of what happened with me. But ⁓ yeah, it's it's ⁓ you got a lot of people there that are gonna hold you accountable, no less. You know, it's ⁓ it's it's a business, you know, it's it's a game, but it's a business and we know it and we all want e the best for each other. And ⁓ lot of camaraderie. But you know, big spot, all these big spots, they're gonna have their little clicks. You know, I had I preferred hanging out with some people that I preferred not to. ⁓ But ⁓ but yeah, you know it was ⁓ it was a good spot. speaker-2: gotta be cool trying to like you got all these you got all these killers there and everybody wants to stand out but there's still that like understanding of we're all we're all we're all in this together. speaker-1: Well, not everybody was like that. And but those people get those people get weeded out real quick. In fact, I always felt that those that there was people that would come in and because I was like on the lower end of the known fighter, so to speak, like they would always come with me and sometimes the coaches would put me with them to test them out because I wasn't gonna get hurt. You know, I was good enough where I could keep myself safe. But then they would go crazy and then they saw that like they they couldn't manhandle somebody like me, they would be gone in three days. Because they're like, ⁓ this shit's not not for me, you know. ⁓ but then you get people in there too. It's like they come in, they just want to take the pictures. Everything's social media now, and you we don't want to deal with that. You know, we're training, we're we're trying to do business. You know, we don't go into somebody's conference room in the middle of a meeting and take selfies and people get weeded out too. But those who respect what's going on and they fit great in the culture. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I and I think the the selfie takers, they need to understand that when you go into a place like this You gotta put that shit up because you got a bunch of killers that are, you know, they're trying to outdo other killers and they might take it as disrespect that you're going in here with your goofy ass pictures and stuff. speaker-1: I d I I tell you, man, when I retired, I didn't go back and train for two years. Cause I was like, you know, I all I because when I'm in there, you see these people, they come in, they're just there just to say they're there. And I I said I'm never gonna be that person. You know, and then finally after two, I'm like, I really missed that place. And actually I called, I remember Tiago Alves, I'm like, yo man, I fucking miss it. You know, it's like dude, they thought I was crazy. I mean Mike Brown are like, dude, you don't ever have to ask. Like, all right, you're you're right. ⁓ but ⁓ but yeah, like I that would drive me nuts that people would just use our spot where we're conducting business as like a f amusement park or whatever. speaker-2: Yeah, 'cause I mean you're taking pictures and you're thinking like, This guy's not gonna last anyway 'cause he's just here to show off. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. Right. Don't put me in the Yeah. speaker-0: So so to remedy that situation, do you does the does the the team do they put that person in with someone who kind of roughs them up a little bit to like speaker-1: Can't say that never happened, but ⁓ speaker-0: It's nice. speaker-1: It's it's it wasn't a common practice, I guess, but it I can't say it happened. speaker-0: Yeah, because I see those videos of the people they set up their cameras in the gym. And when I was when I was at Peak Gym, I was a gorilla. I was just, you know, I just go in there to move big heavy things. And then you got someone over here that number one, that's not what that machine is for. Why are you dangling from that? It's not for that, you know. And then you see these videos of of these girls doing things and they getting mad at the people over there and all the things and it's it's her working out. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: It's not for selfies. Go outside and do that shit. You're disruptive. speaker-1: Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't I never had patience for it. speaker-0: Yeah. Tell me about your first professional fight. What was that like? speaker-1: ⁓ that was actually in a ring. Made four hundred dollars. And yeah, yeah. And ⁓ it was ⁓ I remember thinking, wow, these gloves are real small. It made me want to wrestle all that much more. And ⁓ I I got kicked, I I got a good one in the face. And actually there was a magazine that was up there that published it, I think. And ⁓ I had a busted eye and I was still in college at the time. Actually I went back to school later. speaker-0: I'm paid four hundred dollars. It's right. speaker-1: But at the time I was in college and we had midterms that week, I had to show up this freaking I in class and tell these freaking teachers, Hey, listen, I'm professional fighter. I didn't just go out and get to a bar fight, like, ⁓ okay. speaker-0: So speaker-1: Yeah. So I want you speaker-0: It hard stop real quick. You won? speaker-1: Yeah, I won one by decision, I remember. speaker-0: Not a boy. Not for anything. Not for anything. But I remember Dean saying that he was ready. He was gonna kill this dude and he he got kneed in the face or something. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a wakeful talk. speaker-0: Ha ha ha. speaker-2: He did tell the B J Penn story, man, that was great. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, it's ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, that was a good one. speaker-2: Who had America top team is is is the next the next big one to come out. What do you think? speaker-1: Maybe Johnny Eblin. ⁓ he's with at PFL right now. ⁓ I don't know, I'm I'm not really I'm not there enough to focus on who's the next generation. ⁓ right now. I'm like I'm I'm only in there like once a month. So ⁓ I but Johnny Eblin is the biggest younger name that they got right now. speaker-0: Nice. And hearing you shift into sportscaster. ⁓ I wanted to make sure that everyone knows that you're you ⁓ have already started your own YouTube channel where you're talking about your sports in general, right? speaker-1: Yes. So thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, I well, I do Dean Thomas fight court with Dean. Love it. You know, we talk about just MMA stuff, but we focus more on like the coaching and analysis of the actual fight. ⁓ yeah, the the BS it's ⁓ unavoidable. Like so we talk about that stuff too. But then I do I have Quinn Uncaged, ⁓ which I talk about ⁓ some MMA ⁓ I I like doing that just with Dean, but then I talk about like baseball and football and ⁓ the the the art of coaching behind things. ⁓ I ⁓ I'm actually I'm doing a speaking arrangement with Dean for Florida State University down here. ⁓ they're doing something at Nova Southeastern where we're talking about MMA coaching, sports psychology for other sports. And ⁓ so I like focusing on that stuff too that I talk about, just like the actual coaching aspect for all sports. And ⁓ I call it Quinn on Cage because it's like out of the cage outside of MMA. A nice ring to it. So yeah, that's what we got there. speaker-0: Yeah. Was it d have you always had a passion for all the sports? Breaking things down and speaker-1: Yes. Yeah. ⁓ I always ⁓ like I would watch ESPN religiously before especially when we're training. You don't train like eleven o'clock in the morning. So ⁓ I'd be watching First Take, Sports Center, all that all that junk. ⁓ and I just loved it. I was like, ⁓ I could beat this dude in a sports debate. Like it was always about and then even when I read books, it was always like books on ⁓ like like Moneyball, like general manager books for baseball or like ⁓ books on dynasties and the NFL, stuff like that, like the team building and All that always interests me, or even like just anything with strategy as far as sports. ⁓ it's funny, everyone always tells me you gotta read the art of war and this and like that's that's cool. I'm just I'm just not into the military stuff like that. I mean, I'll I'll read a book, a history book once in a while. Sure. ⁓ I really enjoy the sports books. speaker-0: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm a big fan of learning and teaching. So when I was checking out your channel and and I was catching the the again, the angle that you were coming at. Mm-hmm. ⁓ that that's one of the things that I liked. It's not you just like belly aching about ⁓ Caleb Williams And the Chicago Bears lost to Detroit and they suck and they're always gonna be terrible. It wasn't that. Like you actually go and you start breaking things down in a in a really unique way. speaker-1: I feel that's one thing that a lot of sports analysts don't have is you gotta respect the athlete. Like me, I've been a professional athlete and I've been on both sides of good and bad. So I know that these dudes just aren't showing up on Sunday and doing their best. They're putting stuff in their life into this. Yeah, I mean there's gonna be times where athletes aren't trying, but for the most part, I'll give them their credit. That's how I look at it. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: You gotta figure everybody that they're up against is the best of what they do. Yep. Like something's gotta give. How do you how w how do you feel about your Jets right now, man? speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ you know what? I'm actually I'm in a good spot with them. The that I just said if they win five games this year and they're competitive, I'll be super happy. And that's they haven't won any games yet, but they they're competitive right now. And I'm well the Bills game, they weren't competitive, but I'm cool with that because that means the culture's changing. With the Jets, they're either riding high until they flop or they just suck and the the the culture's down. And they don't seem to have that down culture right now. And I love coaches that hold people accountable and ⁓ Aaron Glenn seems to do that. So like he really demands respect in that room and I I I dig it. speaker-2: Yeah, we and we're coming from Chicago, Carlos and I, man, we we love us some Justin Fields, man, so speaker-1: I love Justin Fields. I was I wanted him out of the draft, so I'm happy they got him. speaker-0: Me too. I actually wrote on his Instagram page I said, it's good to see you with a team that sees your potential and that they're actually building off of him, not just putting him in a spot. We almost killed that kid. speaker-1: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing that I'm like, damn, like they really did they they did ⁓ dirty. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: They almost did they almost did Caleb dirty too, if they didn't get ⁓ just to Johnson in there now, man. speaker-0: No, but I think for them, sp specifically for Chicago, I bet you what they did is they're like, look, Caleb, we're gonna get you, but you're gonna have to run for one year. speaker-1: So that's why like I mean and I get why you can't do it like this, but I remember in the Jets in two thousand nine, two thousand ten, like they drafted Mark Sanchez, but they had the best line of offensive foot and the best offensive line of football, the best defense, future running back. Like it's easy to succeed and be safe for a rookie quarterback like that. Yeah. Like you gotta get the feature quarterback though. That's just the league we're in. You know, I I get it. But ⁓ but I I would rather see things built that way. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: It was a lot of destroying and rebuilding in Chicago and like finally they got a decent offensive line and they got some weapons out there finally and not just some some guys. speaker-0: Virginia is finally out of the way. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, but yeah, no, we the you guys chime in with with what you think, but if I was an owner, my approach would be like the Yankees and the Dodgers. I'm putting together some heat every year. speaker-1: Yeah. When I I mean, well, some people just don't have the money to do that, but ⁓ yeah, I prefer to do it that way. Don't get what you need. Go get what you need. speaker-0: I'm gonna I'm gonna make my money I'm gonna make my money on t shirts and jerseys. speaker-1: Yep, bingo. speaker-2: And you gotta get guys like the guys that are willing to be like, hey, I don't need to be the highest paid player at my position. Let's go get some pieces to help us win some some ⁓ some chips. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't need to have I don't need to be Jerry Jones. speaker-0: But that comes that comes kind of like mid career, right? When you're a youngster, yeah, you wanna you it'd be fun to to win a championship and stuff, but right now I'm just coming out of college. I gotta fix my family. I want the bag. Right. So it would be hard to get a young player that's just making it in to be like, all right, cool, I'll take a pay cut so you guys can get all my money to all these old fuckers that have been here for a while. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: So then we can go get a no, no, no. Give me my bag. And then, you know, mid-level or mid ⁓ mid-range career. Those are the guys that you need to ⁓ that need to actually take a look and you know start talking about legacy and all that stuff. speaker-1: This is your last shot. Work with us so we can get you something. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. And and that could be completely wrong, but as a person that likes to think he's somewhat of an athlete with an athletic mind, that's that's my approach would be bad. Would convince some of these these guys that have been in the in the league for a handful of years. If not, then go get your bag. Who gives a shit? Mm-hmm. speaker-1: Yeah, I'm with that. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: So your boys are up against the Dolphins on Monday, right? speaker-1: Monday night. speaker-0: Is ⁓ is Justin back? speaker-1: I think he might be out one more week. I I'll look it up. Yeah, yeah. I'll look it up. I hope he's back. speaker-2: I he's in speaker-0: That'd be dope. speaker-2: Office suck, man. You guys gotta tear them up, dude. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. See where we kinda lack like physical ability, at least we have the foundation in place. The Dolphins, it's the where it's the flip. And me as a coach, I'd rather have a good foundation in place than have a room full of stud athletes that just are completely uncoordinated. You know, that's horrible. speaker-0: Things for themselves by themselves. speaker-1: That's horrible leadership. I'm not a I'm not a Mike McDaniel hater, but that's horrible leadership right there. speaker-0: And then what's the the the quarterback? I can I speaker-1: Two of them should have retired. I I I hate seeing the concussion that that kid's getting. speaker-0: He off dude when they a couple years ago when his arms went stiff, fingers were just like curling up. Like brother, son. What a way. ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah. Out of here with that. speaker-2: From mm, yeah. speaker-0: How how are how are ⁓ MMA how's the MMA all the league of MMA how do they handle that concussion protocol? speaker-1: ⁓ well you gotta pass a physical and then when you reach a certain age you gotta take an MRI and then if your MRI doesn't click you don't get licensed. speaker-0: ⁓ shit. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-1: No, it it's it's just too much and ⁓ it's I don't think it's 'cause they care about the athlete. They just don't want the lawsuit if anything happens. That's my opinion. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. speaker-2: Was that like was that like something you guys negotiate and ⁓ is there a collective bargaining agreement for MMA or something like that? Nothing like that, right? speaker-1: No. speaker-0: They probably don't want it either. speaker-1: Yeah. The the the gap is too wide between those. Like I made four hundred bucks my first fight. You think Conor McGregor cares about what somebody who made four hundred bucks is doing? speaker-0: Colin McGregor doesn't get out of bed for four hundred dollars. speaker-2: Not even if it's just to get out of bed. Just to stand up and it'll lay back. speaker-0: I'll give you four hundred dollars if you just stand up and get out of bed. He's like, Nah, I'm the fuck out of here. Have you hung out with have you hung out with ⁓ folks like that? I mean, besides Dean, Dean is a legend. Yeah. speaker-1: Well ⁓ Robbie Lowler's a really good friend of mine, Tiago Alves. ⁓ Glover to Share, I used to live with him, he's a good friend of mine. ⁓ yeah, all all those guys. Yeah. Alex Pereira. speaker-0: All those guys get to say they hung up with you now. speaker-1: Yeah, you go. speaker-2: Alex had a fight coming up, man. speaker-1: Robbie came to my office and made me look like a million bucks. Like, ⁓ your friends this guy? Like, yeah. Like yeah, Alex has a fight coming up. Yeah, I think he's gonna do it this time. I think he's gonna get that one back. speaker-0: Yeah, he's all right. speaker-2: think so. I just think he was worn out, man. He was fighting whenever they called. speaker-1: Yeah, I think he's gonna he's gonna get that one back. speaker-2: Do you think it was just that he was worn out or speaker-1: ⁓ part of it, the game plan for Ankalaev was a little better than had planned. You know, he he mixed up the striking well. ⁓ but I I think it was a mix of both and I think that Alex will have figured both out now. So plus he's all rested up, like you said, but like four times or five times in fifteen months or something like that. It's crazy. speaker-2: Yeah, it was something nuts. And and then not to mention the training you did with Steven Segal. speaker-1: I I hate listening to that guy talk, but it's whatever. speaker-0: Have you ever been in the same room where he's teaching and all that stuff? speaker-1: No. I pro and if I w it was, I'd probably walk out. I just ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause that Mike and I have talked about it that in the past and we're like, Yeah, it's Steven Seagal and at one point people thought that he was a little bit of something. Yeah. speaker-1: mean I guess back in the day he was really good at a keto, but he thinks that that's the answer for everything. Yeah. ⁓ and it's not. There's so much more to martial arts and it's there's it's not a movie either. Yeah, there's like so many stories, like people go on Howard Stern and talk about their runnings with Steven Seagal and just how ridiculous he is. It's pretty funny. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: I could've seen him. I could just see him up there, man. Just thinking he's the shit. speaker-0: That's hilarious. ⁓ speaker-2: You a cigar. Go ahead, go ahead, go, go, you go. speaker-0: I I was gonna ask, you know how sometimes people have a shirt like my niece had one when she was a kid. It said, My uncle will beat up your uncle. Does your kid say, No, for real, my dad will fuck you up? speaker-1: ⁓ huh. No. I think my kid'll just say I'll few up. He's gonna take it low. speaker-2: He's the one, right? speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: What are you guys? speaker-2: do music and my ⁓ I do music and my my my my son he's like I don't listen to you pop. I'm like I'm cold as hell man what you talking about but ⁓ but no No he doesn't he doesn't get the bars. ⁓ King Mohan put something up on ⁓ his ⁓ his Instagram or is it threads or something? His top his top five martial arts. So it is r I mean I would assume that wrestling's number one for you, right? speaker-1: Yeah, what what was his overall? Actually I I'm sure we agree within the five, but we probably put them in different areas. speaker-2: I'd have to look it up. I think I think it was ⁓ I think it was jujitsu but it it kind of it kind of tapered off and there was a bunch of people chiming in and like it wasn't and I you know. speaker-1: My top five for effectiveness, like ⁓ number one wrestling, number two, jujitsu, number three, boxing, number four, kickboxing, and I'm I think there's a very distant between the three and four there. Big boxing is much more effective, easier to set up. And number five, I'm gonna go judo. speaker-2: Judo over Moy Thai. speaker-1: Yeah. No, judo like throwing and heavy hips and stuff like that. speaker-2: ⁓ yeah. Lever leveraging ⁓ stuff like that. I c I can see that, man. I can see that. speaker-0: I would argue it depends on where you are. Are you in a bar? Are you in a cage? speaker-1: Yeah, that's true too. Like I always say my son's gonna learn how to throw a good jab because if you get jabbed in the face and ⁓ I'm good, man. speaker-2: That would stop after problems right there. speaker-0: Yeah, especially a quick one. You don't even have to hit ⁓ real hard. Just bing. Where'd that come from? speaker-2: I know I'm bleeding. You also look stupid. speaker-0: You look dumb as hell right now. ⁓ bleeding, not your nose. speaker-2: What's the day in the life for you, Brian? speaker-1: I just I train jujitsu five thirty in the morning, then I get my son to school, I work and I try to figure out on lunch breaks, things like this. You know, we do the do the podcast to do something for YouTube and then at night I pick up where I left off and on the weekends I watch UFC and football and I have baseball on and that's nice. It yeah. speaker-2: Just the life. speaker-0: No what are you is is that kind of like until further notice you're gonna focus on this and you're gonna grow? Are you looking to get into I don't know ⁓ crypto? speaker-1: Are you No, I'm not. I I really am like you said, like I'm I'm cool with where I'm at. I wanna grow the YouTube thing and do like if I could be like a Pat McAfee, I'd I'd love it. You know, that's ⁓ that's what I want to do. You know, this but ⁓ yeah, I'm cool with the process right now. You know, I'm doing it with Dean who's a good buddy of mine, so what am I gonna complain about, right? speaker-0: Yeah. I'm gonna throw this out there too. Now that we're connected, like if you need any re ⁓ help, any resources in that, like trying to grow your YouTube, I I'm a resource for speaker-1: Well, I'm totally gonna need the help. So we let's ⁓ I'll I'll shoot you my number and when we get off here and we'll wall stay the three of us. Awesome. speaker-0: Yeah, totally. Yeah. All ⁓ right. ⁓ speaker-1: straight over some YouTube tips on fight, that's cool. speaker-0: Hey C4. Between having ⁓ Ryan and Dean and them as much shit talking as we do, we good. We good. It's time to ratchet it up now. speaker-1: While the irony gets you on, otherwise you're on your own. speaker-0: Ha ha ha. ⁓ speaker-2: That's good shit, man. Well I know I'm go I know I'm covered, man, 'cause I know twenty I think twenty minutes north I got Dean and I I I'm not too far down the road, ⁓ you know, I can give you a holler two, but so speaker-1: Bro. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: That's what we try to do, man. We we we just we just try to bring people on the show that that are doing what we do or doing stuff that we are interested in, that they're doing what they love to do. And just trying to connect everybody together and just do it together, man. It's just fun. speaker-0: Me being independent. For me, being independent, I love people going independent. I love people like social media has has introduced a a wonderful democratization of information. You know? And so, you know, I love connecting with folks that are passionate about what they're doing and they're want to go independent. They want to build their own thing. I am such a huge fan of that. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: ⁓ so yeah, brother, I am here for you. speaker-1: Guys on UMA, you gotta come on my channel and and don't fight for uncaged. You can do that. Awesome. ⁓ yeah. speaker-0: We can do that. speaker-2: That'd be the share, man. speaker-1: Yeah. All right. I am gonna have to get going though. I heard the work phone going off. But guys, thank you so much. Appreciate this. speaker-0: Thanks for taking time to talk to us. speaker-1: All right. Have a great weekend, all right? Take care. Go Jets, go Bears. speaker-2: Go chats, right? speaker-0: Go bears. speaker-2: Yeah, there we go. speaker-0: And with that, y'all, we ⁓ speaker-2: Yes, sir.