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Home Schooling and Guilty Pleasures · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of the Mom Wars.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Bethany Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to another episode of your favorite podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I am one of your co hosts. My name is
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  Speaker 3: Bethany Mandel. I am a homeschooling mom of six and
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  Speaker 3: a writer that you read various places like The Washington
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  Speaker 3: Examiner and oftentimes The New York Post and Fox News.
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  Speaker 3: And I am joined by my beautiful co host.
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  Speaker 4: Car Kennedy officially now a contributor for The Free Price,
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  Speaker 4: which is very excited. And also I took an a job.
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  Speaker 4: My job's always come in in twos oh three, so
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  Speaker 4: it came in twos. And I am writing for a
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  Speaker 4: TV show, which is ren really exciting. But I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to tell you the TV show yet because it's
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  Speaker 4: it's like a news TV show. It's not like it
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  Speaker 4: fun TV show. What's gonna be fun? But I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: wait until I see people's reactions to the TV show
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  Speaker 4: before I until often I love it.
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  Speaker 3: And we are joined by the beautiful Caitlin Francis. That's
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying your name all correctly. I got assing right.
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  Speaker 3: You can find her on x at c M Francis my.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Missus Missus Francis my Twitter feed.
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  Speaker 3: The algorithm loves you shows me all of your tweets,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel like a stalker because I don't interact
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  Speaker 3: with people that often, but I reck I interact with
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  Speaker 3: you almost every day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if it feels better, if it makes you feel better,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a stalker for you both, because I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I always like to find
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  Speaker 1: your guys of stuff. I see your stuff a lot though, too, Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it just I saw cars the first for
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  Speaker 1: the first time today I saw Kara, So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's because I finally followed you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it might have just been because we were dming
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  Speaker 3: about tonight about probably doing this. Probably we have never
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  Speaker 3: rescheduled a guest as many times as we rescheduled you.
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  Speaker 3: It's embarrassing, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Many times it's honestly fine. We all have kids and
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  Speaker 1: we all have lives, and it was always legitimate reasons too.
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  Speaker 1: And then I thought that we were doing it last
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  Speaker 1: week because I'm just dumb, and I wrote it down
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  Speaker 1: on the wrong day and then I was like, wait, no,
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  Speaker 1: like did my makeup and everything. My husband was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're already, and I was like, so.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't wear my jamas for you, which is the
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  Speaker 3: Bethany equivalent of putting on makeup.
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering about those of jamas. Sorry, here's my
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  Speaker 1: small child and grown up clothes. I like, small child
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  Speaker 1: has walked in. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: We can keep talking. I can talk through a small child.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone else in America, i'd.
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  Speaker 1: Be colored on her. Okay, all right, can you go
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  Speaker 1: back and find brother please? You can wash it off
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  Speaker 1: in just a minute. They were literally playing completely silently
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  Speaker 1: down stairs until I started doing that. So how many
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  Speaker 1: do you have? I have four. I have a boy,
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  Speaker 1: he's my oldest, and then I have three girls. So
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  Speaker 1: we have a lot of ladies in my house. That's
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  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking before we started taping because you
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  Speaker 3: said that, like we I apologized to you for rescheduling
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  Speaker 3: you three hundred times, and you said we all have
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  Speaker 3: kids in car.
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  Speaker 1: What did you say?
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  Speaker 4: I said, I only have one. So I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I can't use the excuse yet.
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  Speaker 1: And you can absolutely use the excuse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I can. But then I'm always like, I just
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  Speaker 4: think about like Victorian women with fifteen kids and I'm like.
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  Speaker 3: So, Caitlin and I have ten children between the two
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  Speaker 3: of us, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's a crazy number when you say it, all I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: And I sayed, my best friend Mary Catherine has four also,
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  Speaker 3: so we also say like there's ten between us, and
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  Speaker 3: it's completely that I was more overwhelmed. I will never forget. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: speaking of Mary Catherine, she co hosted the View once
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  Speaker 3: and invited me to like sit like front row and
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  Speaker 3: like she had a babysitter in the green room for
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  Speaker 3: her kid anyway, so she's like, come with you, come
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  Speaker 3: with your kid, the little ones can hang out in
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  Speaker 3: the green room, you can sit in the audience and
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  Speaker 3: watch me co host. And I bailed because I was
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  Speaker 3: so overwhelmed about going into New York from New Jersey with.
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  Speaker 1: How many kings did you have? You just had one?
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  Speaker 3: One? Yeah, it was pathetic and I think about it
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  Speaker 3: all the time because I'm like, I flew to London
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  Speaker 3: with five children by myself, ages three to ten.
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  Speaker 1: Or I heard you talk about that on the other
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  Speaker 1: one of the other episodes, and I was like, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's legitimately crazy.
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  Speaker 3: But when I had one, I couldn't get on the
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  Speaker 3: train and go see my best friend co hosts the view. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's true.
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  Speaker 4: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: Car every time you have another, you like get a
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  Speaker 1: little better at it, and then when you just have one,
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  Speaker 1: like if one of them's gone somewhere, you're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, Like, this's the easiest thing I've ever done.
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  Speaker 1: And I felt London was so easy because I only
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  Speaker 1: had five, right, crazy crazy. The rest assured it gets
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  Speaker 1: easier as you have more. How far along are.
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  Speaker 4: You about fourteen weeks ago? I feel like I've been
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  Speaker 4: pregnant one hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the first trimester never.
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  Speaker 4: I never get like the pregnancy here that people talk about,
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  Speaker 4: like you have like luscious lungs mine it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 4: to have a grow and then it kind of all
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  Speaker 4: fools out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it looks amazing good.
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  Speaker 4: That's good to know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what my hair does ever, because I've
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  Speaker 3: just always been pregnant or nursing for like twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the first.
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  Speaker 3: Time that I've actually gone longer than two years without pregnant,
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  Speaker 3: being pregnant or having a little little baby, and so
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  Speaker 3: I'm like relearning how my body works.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I always get like all the baby like.
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  Speaker 1: I even have a little bit right here, like all
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  Speaker 1: the baby hairs everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably is your youngest.
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  Speaker 1: My youngest who just ran out of the room throwing
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  Speaker 1: a fit. She's gonna be four in like a month. OK,
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  Speaker 1: so she's getting close to four, and then my oldest
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  Speaker 1: will be thirteen in a couple months as well. They're
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  Speaker 1: all like about to change like ages. So I have
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  Speaker 1: from about thirteen to about four h those ages also
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  Speaker 1: the sweet Oh that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my oldest is almost twelve, and we're planning her
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  Speaker 3: to do with the podcast. We're gonna have to take
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  Speaker 3: like a million episodes ahead of time, or maybe we'll
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  Speaker 3: just tape there. I think maybe we'll just tape.
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  Speaker 1: There, just tap there, because you guys are gonna try
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  Speaker 1: to go to Israel, right, Yeah, so we're going a week.
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  Speaker 3: We're going a week in Greece and then and then
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  Speaker 3: we're spending four weeks in Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Okay, so you were talking about Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I literally stopped you both and listened to all of
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  Speaker 1: the old episodes you guys were talking about the Greek
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  Speaker 1: Myths podcasts that you guys like, and I'm gonna I
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  Speaker 1: haven't listened to it yet, but my kids are all
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  Speaker 1: into the myths right now too, because that's like part
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  Speaker 1: of the history curriculum are using, and they like are
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  Speaker 1: super into it. They're like, mom, let's read more. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, these are bizarre names, but here we go.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been really fun. I really enjoy it. It's
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  Speaker 1: really school. Also, yeah, I do. So have you always homeschooled? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so I've homeschool since my son started, But it's because
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  Speaker 1: I was also homeschooled, so like in the ninth like
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  Speaker 1: it would have been I guess late nineties, early two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: I was homeschooled. And then my fun fact is my
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  Speaker 1: husband was also homeschooled, and we didn't meet till college,
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  Speaker 1: but we were both homeschooled all the way through high
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  Speaker 1: school and then we both went to college and met there.
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  Speaker 3: Did you think that you were going to homeschool back then?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I always figured I would. I really like it. I
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  Speaker 1: like school. I'm like a nerd. I love school, and
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  Speaker 1: I love I loved teaching my kids stuff. And so
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  Speaker 1: it was just kind of like a no brain. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever go to like middle school or high school?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: I never went anywhere. My mom was like a school.
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  Speaker 1: So my mom was a either a kindergarten or preschool teacher.
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  Speaker 1: And once she had me, I was the oldest she
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  Speaker 1: had me, and she was like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: send this precious child off to school, so she just
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  Speaker 1: like kept me home for kindergarten at home, and she
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  Speaker 1: like kind of had some other kids come to and
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  Speaker 1: then she knew a bunch of people I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know where she met them, and they were homeschoolers, like
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  Speaker 1: and that was weird in the nineties, Like that was
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  Speaker 1: a super like it was a super weird thing. So
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  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, I can do this thing where
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  Speaker 1: I keep my kids home with me and like school them.
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  Speaker 1: And since she was a teacher, I think it felt
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  Speaker 1: a little easier to just kind of like move right
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  Speaker 1: into that. So she just started and she was it
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  Speaker 1: was the kind of thing where they were my parents
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  Speaker 1: were kind of like anytime we feel like we need
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  Speaker 1: to stop doing this, we will, But they just kept going.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was a huge group of homeschoolers in
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  Speaker 1: my town that I grew up in. So it was
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  Speaker 1: like they never felt the need to send me to
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  Speaker 1: a public or private because there was all these other
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  Speaker 1: families that were doing the same thing. And now it's
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  Speaker 1: like people don't even blink when you say homeschool.
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  Speaker 3: So that's kind of I find the social a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a struggle, especially as my daughter is getting older.
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  Speaker 3: We're struggling more and more with the social and I've
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  Speaker 3: always said, like we're playing it year by year.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We were talking on the last episode about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all the savings, and part of the savings that we've
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  Speaker 3: done is in case the kids want to go to
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  Speaker 3: high school or middle school even.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think I want to send for middle school.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah, I feel like high school seems like a
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  Speaker 1: safer bet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But my kids, the more and more we kind
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  Speaker 3: of talk about it. My oldest daughter is in sixth
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  Speaker 3: grade now, so she's solidly in middle school and she's
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  Speaker 3: not interested in school. And I'm surprised because she's a
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  Speaker 3: very social kid and it's very uncommon to be homeschooled
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  Speaker 3: at her age. But I mean she was just at
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  Speaker 3: like taekwondo class tonight for an hour and a half,
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  Speaker 3: hanging out with a bunch of girls around her age.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like she doesn't get the social but
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  Speaker 3: we kind of I'm making the case a little bit
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  Speaker 3: for the high school and it's like, well, you can
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  Speaker 3: go to community college and basically earn half of your
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  Speaker 3: bachelor's degree still in high school. She babysat the other
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  Speaker 3: day illegally, but she did.
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  Speaker 1: Is it illegal? It is?
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  Speaker 3: It's like New Jersey, Yeah, you can't babysit. At the end,
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  Speaker 3: she is crazy. Whatever, it's fine, that's all. Gee listens
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  Speaker 3: to the same.
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  Speaker 4: You're so grown up, Like she could run a house
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  Speaker 4: allday exactly.
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  Speaker 1: She does run though. Yeah, that's a firstborn daughter for sure.
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  Speaker 3: When I put her on the on the bus to
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  Speaker 3: summer camp this summer, it was a Tuesday morning at
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  Speaker 3: like seven am and the bus was about to leave
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  Speaker 3: for a month of sleep away camp and she gets
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  Speaker 3: off the bus and she's like mom, and it's front
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  Speaker 3: of all of the other parents who are sending their
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  Speaker 3: kids to sleep with Today is a trip day for
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  Speaker 3: my siblings who I go who at day camp? Don't
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  Speaker 3: forget to put them in a camp shirt. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, thank you, I actually you to remind me
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  Speaker 3: to do that. What am I going to do without
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  Speaker 3: you now that you're getting on the bus. But anyway,
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  Speaker 3: so she just babysat the other day for the first time,
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  Speaker 3: and she made a cool twenty bucks nice and she's.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, I could do this all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You could.
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  Speaker 3: And the person she babysat for was very chill, obviously
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  Speaker 3: since she had an even year old babysitting for her.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like a very last minute emergency situation.
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  Speaker 3: It was like a doctor's appointment, like emergency. And the
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  Speaker 3: woman is pregnant with her eighth and so she's like yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So she's like sure, whatever, it's fine, it's fine. But
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  Speaker 3: now she's starting to think, oh mg, I could make bank. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: half finished half of college, still in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Why would I go to high school? And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's basically what I did. I took the
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  Speaker 1: well back then. I don't know how you have to
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  Speaker 1: do it now. But like the California California has a
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  Speaker 1: GED test, so I think I took that when I
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  Speaker 1: was fifteen and passed it because it was stupid easy,
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  Speaker 1: and then I just went to community college for the
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  Speaker 1: next two years. So by the time I transferred to
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  Speaker 1: the college that I went to, I went to a
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  Speaker 1: private school in southern California, I already had like an
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  Speaker 1: AA basically, yeah, and I think I was eighteen, So
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  Speaker 1: I graduated when I was twenty from college, so that's
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  Speaker 1: not like super early, but also like it was, it
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  Speaker 1: was really nice to like have that, So yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's incredible. I have the choice to do different things.
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  Speaker 4: Like in the UK, I don't know, like he's stand
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  Speaker 4: up the school. If you ever want to take him
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  Speaker 4: out of school, even if it's like the dogs this
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  Speaker 4: Moe Morea or whatever, you have to pay, well, you
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  Speaker 4: have fines, you get fine.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice, are you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: That was my next question. Can you allow you Can
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  Speaker 1: you homeschool in the UK?
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I'd never heard about anybody being home in
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  Speaker 4: school or home in school. I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 4: you would run into a lot of run type.
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  Speaker 1: I know, like in Germany you can't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's super illegal. I was interviewed. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the deal is with that. I
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  Speaker 3: should look into it, but I would like I had
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  Speaker 3: a German reporter come to my house for an entire
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  Speaker 3: day recently.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know why. I don't know what happened
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  Speaker 5: with that. I should probably email her. It was like
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  Speaker 5: six months ago. That happened to me with a PBS
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  Speaker 5: story a couple months ago, the or like NPR.
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  Speaker 1: Something I don't I don't know was that.
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  Speaker 3: It was released and I was like, oh, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: forgot about that. But I had a German I had
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  Speaker 3: a German magazine writer in my home for an entire day.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I mean it was during those school year.
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  Speaker 3: It was probably like April or May.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Now I want to know what she was writing about.
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  Speaker 1: She's like doing in the US.
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  Speaker 4: Video that's like super anti home school.
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  Speaker 1: I never found a crazy lady.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super illegal in Germany. This I know because
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  Speaker 3: we talked about it at length. So are you are
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  Speaker 3: you considering it a little carra.
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: I like the thought that it's always there. Like I
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  Speaker 4: like the fact that if you want to take your
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  Speaker 4: kid on like a trip and you don't want to Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just always hard, like in the
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  Speaker 4: UK if you ever wanted to go on holiday out
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  Speaker 4: of term time, and obviously prices is super super high
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  Speaker 4: in summer holidays, like you would have like people knocking
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  Speaker 4: at your door and people would be super angry and
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  Speaker 4: you would have to like write lasses and pay fines
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. And I think the findes are like pretty
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  Speaker 4: substantial that I think it's like fifty bucks a day
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  Speaker 4: at least.
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  Speaker 1: In the US, I feel like you can just take
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  Speaker 1: kids out right. I don't know, I've never had my
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  Speaker 1: kids postcard.
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  Speaker 4: We trust you, you know, like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Catherine, I like mentioning her like six hundred times
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  Speaker 3: this podcast. She got married in March of twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 3: right before COVID, and her kids teachers gave her so
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  Speaker 3: much grief for pulling them out, and then like a
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  Speaker 3: week later they're like, just kidding. The rest of the
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  Speaker 3: year is canceled and probably next year all right. But
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: now whenever she takes her kids out, she's like, remember,
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  Speaker 3: you guys closed for a year.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like COVID broke so much because I know
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  Speaker 1: so many people who started homeschooling in post COVID that
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  Speaker 1: never thought they'd homeschool because they just saw like the
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  Speaker 1: nonsense and it was just like they were like, what
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  Speaker 1: are my kids even doing there for like eight hours
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  Speaker 1: a day.
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• 16:11
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking about this today because on the work
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: from home argument, like whether people should go back into
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: the office, I've always been like, of course people should
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: go back into the office.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: It's like a very social thing to do. You know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: people are depressed and lonely until it's me and then
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: any job that requires me to know in the office,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna do it. Like, but it's a
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: hard line. And then I was thinking like, isn't it
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: hilarious that COVID just shattered the illusion that you have
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: to go into an office for nine I was a
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: day and just pretend to or does anybody remember go
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: into an office and just sits in there and protempt it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was my first job. All I did
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: was sit there and pretend for eight hours. But I learned.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: I taught myself so much at that desk because half
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the internet was blocked. I taught myself investing on all
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: of all the finance stuff. I know. I taught myself
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: that year. I got very drunk during lunch hours.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I never went into I never had
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: an office job. Oh my w I went straight from
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: college to back to Starbucks. So that was the low point.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: When I graduated from college, I moved back home because
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I had no money and I was going to get married,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and so I moved back home and I the only
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: job I could get because I wasn't really trying to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: like get a career job either. I was just planning
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: on getting married and we were gonna have kids, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that was that was my plan. So I worked at
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Starbucks until I was like nine months pregnant with my son,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and then I was like.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Peace, everybody, here's what I love about you, and I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: think this is what drew me to your Twitter. You
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: are pretty trad like that's a very trad thing to do,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: but you are not trad.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Think at the same time, I appreciate that. When it started,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: when the trad thing, I feel like it was like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: a buzzword, maybe like six months ago. I don't know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a really newer phrase.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And I looked at my husband and I was like, well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I guess that's what we are, but I don't know.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But we're not any of that. But you're not any
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I want to get into that a little bit because
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I find this whole phenomenon and you. I don't want
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: to speak for you, but I think all of us
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: are kind of on the same page that it's there's
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of toxicity in this messaging and a lot
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: of it is being planted by people who are not
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: who they say they are and not what they say
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: they believe.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the first thing that happened to me on
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Twitter that I like really remember is that patriarch patriarchy.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That was like our first episode ever. Oh really, yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Oh I missed that one.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: That was the first thing that like blew up. That
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was like shortly after I was on there all the time,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, this place is crazy,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like I never would have been a million years, and like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of course, I feel like an idiot because I thought
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: she was totally legit and I like talked with her sometimes, like,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: so you haven't been.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: On twist if long.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: My bio thing says that I've been a member for
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like two years, but I must have just like signed
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: up and forgot. I don't even remember because it wasn't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: really until right after the election, so twenty twenty four
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: would have been twenty twenty four. November twenty twenty four,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I made some stupid tweet about jd Vance and I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: got so many followers and I was like, what is
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: happening right now? And then it just like kind of
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: kept spiraling from there. So I count that as when
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I like started, but I'm sure I had other stuff
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: going on before that, But I just remember the patriarchy
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Hannah one, and then it blowing up and it was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is wild, like and so now
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: whenever it's like a trad thing and I'm looking at it,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hmmm, I don't really feel like you're real
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: or like I trust you at all?
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Like to recap for our listeners who may not have
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: listened to our first episode ever, No.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It wasn't an epithet. I just remember now, Wasn't it
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a twisted lines like in anc spaces or whatever it's called.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I mean we wrote about it on our sub stack
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like way too many times. Yeah, it was really interesting.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm not interesting saying this individual claimed to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: have like, what twelve children or something? Can caline, can
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you give the cliff notes of yes?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, unfortunately I can. I feel like it
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was like twelve. But she was the thing that always
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: bothered me about it was she would claim that they
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: were adopted, and I was like, how do you have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: twelve adopted kids? And then she was also always sick.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But then the way she ate was nuts. It was
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: like she would talk about how she'd eat like all
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: this junk food and all this terrible stuff, and then
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: she'd like be in the hospital.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I legit.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Multiple times thought to myself, I should probably message this
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: woman and tell her, like, if she wasn't eating so
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: much junk food, she wouldn't be sick all the time.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad I never did that, but she
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: would claim to like have all these I did. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: did follow her a little bit because she would claim
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to have all these really cool like books of homeschooling
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: stuff and so like, as a person who has kids
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that were about to be in like junior high and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: high school, I was like, I'm going to kind of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: see what she has to say about this, because if
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: she's really successfully homeschooling like twelve kids at a time,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: like that's amazing. She must have some great system. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: she'd talk about her binders, and she'd talk about how
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: she did all this stuff and for each kid and stuff,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and like now, of course, in retrospect, it was all
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a big lie. So she would make such a single
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: woman who lived with her parents, right, yes, I think.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So someone else found it and it was like it
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was I was like sort of mutuals with the people
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: who were like like blowing the whole thing up, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I like just had to sit there and just kind
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of watch it happen because I was like, I don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: really know any of these people, so I can't really
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like I don't know who I'm trusting right now. Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and then when it like all came out that she
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was like they were finding pictures of her house. They oh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that's what they did. They used the Google image like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: research research thing where you can like, I don't even
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: know how to use it. She posted a picture of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: somehow she claimed their husband had built. That was the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: other thing. She claimed that her husband was like this
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: crazy handyman who would like just build anything in everything. Well, yes,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it was an ex felon who would like build anything
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in everything. And she had this elaborate backstory about like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: sexual assault and like child trafficking and like.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: That's why I followed her, because I'm a goss and
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Like, and I followed her originally, I think because of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that because I was kind of like interested in this
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: idea that she had. I'm kind of interested in the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: idea that like, if you hold onto your trauma for
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: too long, it's like really unhelpful. And she would always
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: kind of talk about how she had let go of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the trauma and she was fine now, and then of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: course people would get all mad about that. So anyway
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: now I'm like, well great, So then the one example
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I have of somebody that I thought had this trauma
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that didn't actually have the trauma. Maybe she did, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: maybe she did. I mean, it's very possible.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: This is obviously a messed up individual. I see a
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: lot of I'm not just patriarchy, Hannah, this like one account.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of it, as and Kara. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: think of opened my eyes to this idea. It's a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: it's a fetisha fetishization of this life, and so a
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: lot of it. People think that it's aspirational, and it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: aspirational content, but it's also very prescriptive and very like
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: telling people this is how you should live. And I
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: think it's rich when people don't actually.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Also, you look at the people doing it, and like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: when you dig deeper, it's people like patriarchy Hanah, who
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: don't really exist in the same living a basement. And
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: then on the other side, it's like very successful business
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: women who make all of my own Instagram and like
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: have a.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Job, you know, right, yeah, and they have help. Yes,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that I always I'm always like, guys,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this is not real, Like I am super tad in
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: this traditional sense. I wanted to go to college because
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I did and I loved college. It was a great experience.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: My degree is in home economics is literally that was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, it's a Bachelor of Science. They call
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it Family and Consumer Sciences now, so like even like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: cal State Northridge, which is down the freeway for me,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they have actual doctorates in family consumer sciences. So it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: not just it's not just like well, but it's like textiles,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's pattern design and it's fashion design,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and it's like core design type stuff. And then also
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it's the nutrition so there's a lot of nutritionists that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: come out of that because it's like food science too.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So it's actually a Bachelor of Science, which I'm always like, well,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I have a Bachelor of Science. So but it is.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do that, and so I went and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: did that. And then but I knew I just wanted
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to get married. And I ended up meeting my husband
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: at school, which was perfect, and I have to date, Like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I watched the dating stuff on and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just like praise God that that was not that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: was not a thing I had to do. And so then,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't have a career. I didn't
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: have I was gonna do. I was going to maybe
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: try to do like costuming for a theater. That was
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: kind of the thing I wanted to do, but I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: never really pursued that as I got pregnant pretty quick
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: after getting married, and then we just knew I was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: going to stay home, and that was just sort of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the choice that I made. So like we're really trad
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in the sense that, like I've never really worked, he
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: is the sole income provider. I've lost my train of
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: thought here, but the point, I think the point is
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: like I like it. I like the idea of the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: trad thing being a conversation in the sense that I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like the idea of it being like an option for
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: women that want to But I also think that there
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: needs to be a lot of realism with it. Like
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: obviously we are really blessed to live where we live.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: My husband has a great salary, but like we live
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: pretty simple, Like our cars are crap, we don't do
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: fancy vacations, like we just we do what we can
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and we're really blessed, Like we really do live even
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: above what some other people do, and that's amazing. But
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: like it's not just an easy choice to make. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't love the like content where it's like, oh,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it's all flowers and rainbows and stuff, so like I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: try and I've hated that since I had baby. Okay,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this was the other thing I was thinking about when
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I had a baby. My first like Instagram was new
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: ish and it was a lot of like aspirational, like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and every blogging mommy blog thing was very aspirational and like.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there with my husband and going like,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but this isn't my life, Like I feel like I'm
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gonna die, like Kara to your point earlier about the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: one baby, like I just was like, what am I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing with my life? Like I knew
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do, but it felt really
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: terrible and awkward and depressing. And I was just like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: these people are lying, like all of this this is
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: just all lies. But I didn't know how to counter
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it without being like grumpy, Like I don't want to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: be grumpy mom. Nobody wants to know that either, So
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I do appreciate that. I feel like there's a bit
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of a space that has come out of Maybe it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: just X. I don't know what's going on Instagram because
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I got off there a while, but I just couldn't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: handle it. But I kind of feel like I appreciate
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: at least a conversation about real stuff, Like I never
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: want to be like I want to talk about trad
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: in the traditional sense, like if you want to do it,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you should. If you want, you know, if you and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: your husband want to talk about doing that, then you should.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of my friends would be
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: considered trad now in the sense that like they don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: work now and they homeschool their kids, and they never
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: saw that happening for them, but no one ever told
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: them that they could either. Their parents never told them
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that they could. They just assumed that they had to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: go this one career direction and if you want you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that's fine. Like I honestly have no problem with that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I have friends who have the career, you know, the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: career and the family, and they love it and that's great.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But I think there's so many women who maybe long
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for the options.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I have the reason that the trad conversation has come up,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: and it's like parts of it of fake, because it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: like trad influences pushing this narrative, but like some of
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: it is real. And I've spoken to a lot of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: women who are young and want to get married and
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: want to have kids, and like feel like they have
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to whisper it, like I want to be a stay
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: at home wife, you know, because they it's so embarrassing.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like there isn't this
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: innate pass if they the ones to do it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I never in a million years would have
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: thought that I wanted to stay home and then and
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: then I got pregnant and I was thinking about so
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: it was interesting. I guess we're going to release this
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: actually in a few weeks. But we talked to Leland Veddert.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: He has a book coming out at the end of September.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: It's available for pre order. I recommend it, and I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: said to him, and it was probably like a ghost
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: thing to say. Maybe I shouldn't have said it out loud,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: but he was basically in his book, he's processing his
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: childhood as he's starting to consider the possibility of becoming
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: a father himself. And I think that's very healthy, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I think all of us do that before we have children.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: We reevaluate through different lenses, like what our childhood was like.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And my mom worked an unbelievable amount. My mom was
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: not a person who wanted to have children. So like
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I saw working mother through a lens that was very
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: negative because it was very negative in my house because
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: she was a single mom, I was an only child.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: She didn't really like children, she didn't like babies, so
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: she worked a lot and then was out whenever she
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: possibly could. Like I was raised by Days of Our Lives,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: which is was a soap opera and babysitters, but she
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: mostly didn't even employ babysitters. Mostly just TV was my babysitter,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: even starting at like age six or seven. Oh oh,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: it was again very illegal.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah was it illegal? Then? Then I feel Yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I once got extremely hurt. I fell through our glass
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: table and I sliced my knee open so bad I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: needed like fifteen stitches and I had to hobble downstairs
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and like try to find someone to bring me to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: the emergency room. I was like eight years old.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Oh anyway, yeah, so that's fair, that's fairly neglectful, fairly neglectful.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: So I when I got pregnant, I thought about the
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: possibility of and I was like, I don't want to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: do that, but it was it was I was seeing
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it through the lens of like my not great childhood
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: of my mom never being around, and I was like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I want to.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Be around a lot. I don't want to do that,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and I don't like.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I love my mom endlessly. She was she did the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: best she could with the brain that she had, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: it was not a brain that wanted children or was
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: very good with children. But I was just like, I
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: don't I don't want to do that. I want to
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: go in the other direction. And in a lot of ways,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I raised my kids exactly as I was raised, like
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: very very similar to how I was raised.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like you don't have a choice. It like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: happens and you don't even mean to and you're like, oh,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you turn into you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: And your mother's words come out. It happens to me
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: all the time.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I'm watching Gilmore Girls with my kids, which they're really
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: actually very angry tonight because I said, no Gilmore tonight
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: because it's just my daughter was out at Taekwondo way
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: too late, and I was like, we're not starting Gilmore
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Girls and I'm thirty, but I'm so I'm watching Gilmore Girls.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And that was basically my childhood, like a very immature
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: mom raising a very mature daughter. And it's just the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: two of them. Yeah, and so it's wild watching it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: My older four kids watch it with me, and it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: wild because my kid's childhood could not be more different
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: than my own.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And it's good. That's good, it's a good thing. Good job,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: well done, I broke the cycle.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do definitely like treat my children like
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: little adults. Hence why Like when we're watching Gilmore Girls
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: with like my six, eight, ten and an eleven year old,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and it says on the top of the screen.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Like TV fourteen for sex and nudity. Yeah, I feel
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: like the first few seasons of that show, it's like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot in there. I've seen it a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: few times. I mean, there it is, but it's like
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it goes right over their heads. Yes.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So I had a very funny moment the other night
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: when we were watching it because Loralai is kissing Max
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Medina and they're trying to go upstairs, right My kids,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: my younger my younger two kids were like, where are
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: they going? Where are they trying to go?
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: See It's like, if you're gonna watch old if you're
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: gonna watch grown up TV with me, no questions, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: have to just watch it, you'll figure it out later.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And my older kids, I feel like they kind of
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: had an inkling of what was happening, but they were like,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: we don't.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: They would die and didn't be willing to know with
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: their mom. I still get this when I sit next
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: to my mom and I watchings.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah I love them and they're great parents, but yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: same it was. It's always kind of like, oh, I.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Did not I did not have a relationship with my
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: father for the most part. But I remember once I
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: went to that's just like me trauma dumping on this episode. Tonight,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I went to a movie and there was like this
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: really graphic, very very graphic, extremely graphic scene in it,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm sitting next to my like mostly estranged father
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: who I barely know, in this movie theater, and I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't like this.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. No, deeply uncomfortable. I did that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: thing the other day. And maybe your parents never did
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: this if they weren't like around a lot. But like
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I remember, we would watch something and they would forget
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: what was in it, and so they'd be like, oh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this is a fine movie to watch, and then we
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: would be watching it and then all of a sudden,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: like they would remember what was coming, and it was
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like they would just like pause it, or they would
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: like find the remote or like something. And I was
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: always like, oh, my gosh, this is so annoying. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: then the other day my son is watching one of
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: those very first Iron Man movies and like I forgot
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that at the in the first few Iron Man movies
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: there is some sexual stuff, whereas in the other there's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like nothing, and so I was like, oh, that's fine whatever,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and like I hear it, and as I hear it,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I'm upstairs and he's downstairs, and I'm like, possum move
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and it's like, what are you doing? Because I was like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm my mom now because I have to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: come down here and like talk about what's.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Gonna happen anyway, My god, that's hilarious.
• 34:29
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• 34:30
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• 34:33
  Speaker 2: But of course you knew that. You look out the window,
• 34:35
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• 34:37
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• 34:41
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• 34:56
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• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Have you watched Unknown Number?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: No?
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Oh? I sold Maggan McCain story.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: So everyone is talking about it. And my plan after
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: we're done taping this is to sit this is this
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: is what I'm gonna do. I'm going to take a
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: super hot bath, set my TV, my my computer up
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: on the toilet next to the bath, and load this up.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Because it everyone is talking about it. I don't even
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: know what it is, so I don't even know why
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I want to watch it so bad because I basically
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: understand what happened. Basically, a mom catfished and internet stalked
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and bullied her daughter for two years before and then
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: it got so bad that the FBI became involved, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: then they realized it was her mother, Like the call
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: is coming from inside the house. Why am I gonna
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: watched this? I know the entire storyline, but.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be good.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I know everyone's talking about it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna have to watch it too.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched I've never watched stuff like that. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: don't have timely.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I right have a good trashy Netflix. Yeah, came so long,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: based on based on true true.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: You know what killed it for me was I used
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to watch The Bachelor, loved that show, and then COVID
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: killed it because they like turned on Chris Harrison. Wasn't
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that his name? Like the guy that was like the host,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They like de eyed him out of existence because he
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: made like one wrong comment about something and then so
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: now it's just like it's never been the same, and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: like all it's all about like who's what color and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: bisexual and this that and the other thing. And I'm
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: just like, you guys killed it, Like the point was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to watch one cute guy and all these girls or
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, and then you killed it with the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: de I stuff. So then I just haven't watched anything.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I've been getting into Netflix documentaries of things that I
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: kind of remembered, so like the Poop Cruise was one, Okay,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I've heard of this, that was a good one. The
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Titan or not that. Yeah, the Titanic was submersible.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Was so good when they all went and died down. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that was excellent, really really solid.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: So I think that someone I think, I don't know
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: if I've made this stroke on the podcast, but I
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: think that someone on Netflix like went on a really
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: bad cruise once and then they had it out for.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Cruises because there was the Poop Cruise, which was amazing,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and then there was another there was another one about
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: a woman who went missing on a cruise.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, and there's all of these theories about what happened
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: to her. Did she fall, did she commit suicide? Was
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: she kidnapped off the boat.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You've never seen it? Or they never found her?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: No, or the third theory, which I think about sometimes
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: when I had pliant moments, I'm like, I wonder if
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: she's just out there somewhere, because there's been her in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: like the Caribbean, in sex slavery. Oh, and so I
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: don't know what I believe, but I really desperately need closure.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think that I think she said too. I think
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: probably that's that probably And then also, and I talked
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: about this on the last podcast, I'm obsessed with the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: heist that happened at the Isabelle Garner Museum. Oh yeah,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that was that was fascinating. I'd never heard that. And
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: then you said that the museum is still open and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: just empty or at least that room.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have to keep it because of like
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: legal things related to her will. I'm going to go
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: there in June.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Actually nice is it in Boston? As that said? Yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and so there was a Netflix documentary about that also,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It's called and I made my children watch it. That
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: one does sound interesting. I'll have to watch that one.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I can't watch anything right now because my husband is
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: watching Northern Exposure, which I don't. Do you know what
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Northern Exposure is?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It's so strange, do.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: You know what it is?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why is he watching that?
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I don't. I love it because it's the best thing
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: he's ever seen. The costume and when it ends, he's
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: going to go back and just watch the whole thing again.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: And it's really long.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I have not watched a show with my so this
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: is how my marriage is strong.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Wait, let me just tell you what it is. It's
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: just like a trashy sitcom from the nineties. Yeah, it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: still Alaska that's it. It's like, it's not funny interesting,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: but he's just into it. That's it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So in order to keep my marriage happy, we don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: watch things together, okay, because I am, according to my husband,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: an annoying person to watch things with because I plan
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: on my phone and then I look up, I'm like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: what just happened? And it makes his blood boy and
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: he can't. And it's funny because in the beginning of
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: our relationship, we used to watch shows together. When I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: was living in Cambodia and he was living in New Jersey.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: We used to that's a feat. At that point of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: we were fanning.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Lost, that show on ABC that it was amazing. Are
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: you too young for this?
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Cara?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Lost?
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: You are?
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: I'm on the I have How old are you?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Kara?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Twenty seven?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Oh? You are a baby? Yeah, she's a baby.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: We used to gently.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: We used to count down. We'd have it, both of us,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: have it downloaded, and we'd beyond Skype and we'd say
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: three two one play.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That's a level of commitment.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we used to watch Lost together on Skype
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: twelve time zones apart. And now we live in the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: same house and he will divorce me and beat me
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: in my sleep if he ever has to watch me.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Actually, I'm on SaaS side, and I feel like you
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: should do batter as a wife and just put your
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: phone away from no.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I do No.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I'm actually like fully on his side.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This is why your friends, because you need you need people.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: He feels really strongly about this. You should just be
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: nice longyrphone away for an hour and want you think.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: He worked So speaking of work from home, he works
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: from home, and I think he needs time to just
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: be alone and watch a thing by himself without being
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: touched or talked to.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I mean my husband basically does that because he will
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: watch stuff together. But then like I go to sleepway
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: earlier than him, so I'll like wake up and he's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: still like on his phone, like watching some show. He
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: was watching Star Trek, Like okay, but he does. It's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like he wants because he comes home and there's so
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: many of us. He doesn't work from home, but like
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of us here and he comes home
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and he's just like bombarded and he's like trying to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: work a side job from home after work, and then
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: he's like I just want quiet. So then he'll wait
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: until everybody's asleep, and then he'll get his quiet time
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: because otherwise he has no yeah place to go.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: And back in my pregnancy nine o'clock bad times. Yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: because I'm just a twelve hours sleeper. Okay, son, I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: you want to go into bed. So Nick now lives
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: like a whole sack. He did in the pregnancy too.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: He has a whole sack in life. That's what it
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: was what I was pregnant. Do I feel like it's
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: so sad? It makes me feel so sad because he'll
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: talk about things and I have no idea what he's
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: talking about. It's new shows, new stuff, he's breeding, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just not even there.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I always tell Seth, and I say it like in
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: really random moments, like we'll be laying in bed together
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: and snuggling and I'll lean over and I'll be like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: if you were having an affair, I wouldn't even be
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: mad at you. I'd be so proud of you for
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: managing to do that amidst working from home and living
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: like I would just be really proud of you. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: see that too, and Seth is like, you are the
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: weirdest person.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've said that to my husband too. I'm like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: how would you have time to do this? Like, if
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you were doing that, I would just be like amazedly.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Used to have whole second family. I think that doesn't
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: happen any They can't.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: There's nowhere for them to hide.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: No, but I would be proud, And I just want
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to say it for the record, I would be so
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: proud of Seth if he managed it, and in his messy,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: disgusting office he just hate a woman down there, I'd
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: be like, wow, man, that's that respressive.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's really funny.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of which, I think I'm going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: go take that bath.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: You should and watch Unknown Numbers and it's Unknown Number.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They can't wait.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I watching this stuff because it just makes me feel
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: better about my life.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Also, I feel like that's why people watch like reality
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: TV m because it makes you feel like you That's why,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like I would I feel bad. But I enjoyed watching
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor because I was like, these women are crazy.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: They can't find a man. Twitter. This is terrible.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Twitter is the best thing that's ever happened to my marriage.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Because whenever I see like a dating story or whatever,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I will walk up to Seth and just make out
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: with him and he's like, I don't know what that one.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And I was like, just I just love you so much.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: You're just a really good husband. I just love you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: So we speaking of reality TV. So when I first
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: had the baby, I watched the whole of Real House
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Eyes of New York, which was like two hundred and
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: fifty hours of the Nick couldn't be in the room
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: for because he absolutely hates it. So when I finished that,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: he was so happy after being so angry for so
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: long because he was kicked out for two hundred and
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: fifty hours. And then I found Real House sizes of
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: New Jersey and he is so much angrier. It's like
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: we've had a real fight because he believes that. When
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I watched the Real House fives of New Jersey, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: become like more argumentative. It does something.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It's that show you're watching.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was a kid, there was a movie
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: what was it called Problem Child, I think, in which
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: the kid was odd, like before we knew what odd meant.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Odd is just the word oppositional defiance. So it's just
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: when your child is an absolute psychopath, lunatic sociopath. And
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: but that's like the fancy name they've given it. So
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I pretended to like be odd, like psychopath insane, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: my mom would not let me watch the second one.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: She was like, you tried to like light things on fire.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Like well, to be fair, you were trying to get
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: some at dungeon.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I know when you want to hear a story and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: then we'll all stop trauma dumping. Sure. When so, my
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: mom got like super sick ones and she stayed home
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: for like two or three weeks, and I was home
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: with her because she like didn't put me in daycare
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: and so for like two or three weeks she was
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: just at home mom, and it was amazing. And then
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: she went back to work. And I protested by pooping
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: on my front lawn.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like four or five years old, and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: so that's.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: What I that's what when I when we were deciding
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: like what I was going to do if I was
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: going back to work or whatever. Yeah, I told Seth,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want our kids to ever
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: poop on the front lawn.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like, you're insane. I am insane. That's true. Wow,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: this was a big trauma deap episode. Dat okay, it's
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Even know what to say.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And I was like, now you've scarred me from having
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: more children. Yeah, no, no, no, you have to have more
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and more children to hear yourself, because then the older
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: ones do like take care of the littler ones too. Yeah. Sure,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I mean your oldest daughter obviously is in charge. She's amazing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: She's amazing, she's my co mom. I love it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Wad hang on, I have a question both of you.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: So last day, okay, what is what is the most
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: number of kids? So you know that's like born to
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: a wall woman.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Like personally, I know what you mean, Like who has
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that we personally know or like.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Like I think LORI has ten or eleven? Okay, yeah,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I think it's my sister she has five. Okay, so
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: it isn't a huge number.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I have six. You know me? Now, your friends, now.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: We need together those up.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I So my daughter has been doing some stuff with
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the local Catholic homeschoolers and there was like two women
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: at the last thing who had gray hair and were
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: very visibly pregnant, and both of them are pregnant with
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: their eighth and I was among like among the other
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: moms at this Catholic homeschooler thing.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I was a slacker with six, and it was okay.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But Bethany, you're Jewish, right, so do you do you
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: know a bunch of or is that not your like? No,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: So we are Orthodox. We have a friend who has nine.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: We have another friend who's pregnant with per seventh or eighth,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But that's it. Like they are the extreme extreme extreme.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Private school tuition and everyone sends to private school like
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: crazy number, like ninety two ninety three percent and the
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: other seven percent, let's say, are special needs and they
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: go to public school because of that. So vast be'st
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: vast majority of my community sent to private and the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: tuition is twenty five thirty thousand dollars a year per kid.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I don't even how, I don't know. I don't know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: is the answer. And so it's it serves as birth
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: control because people can't the normal numbers.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Two to three.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So the fact that we have six, I mean,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: people always ask like, why did we consider homeschooling, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the answer was, we wanted to have more children then
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: was financially sound or responsible and we didn't want the
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: tuition thing to become birth control. We wanted to have
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: the numberth kids we wanted to have, and to me, like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: it feels so counterintuitive, like why would you have fewer
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Jewish children because you're giving your children a Jewish education?
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: That is crazy to me. So that was when we
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: started thinking about, like I was following all these homeschoolers
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, and homeschooling is not common in the Jewish community,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Like I think.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: There was like four or five of us in town.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is why I was saying, her social
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: situation is getting harder.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that makes a lot of sense, yea, because
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you would't necessarily have a huge co op group to
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: like be a part of, unless.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Catholic Catholics, which is why we're hanging at the Catholics. Yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I mean that works. Yeah, it's fine. They're all very nice.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: And so I started following all these Instagram homeschoolers who
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: were Christian and Catholic, and that was when it started
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to like the wheels started turning and I'm hoping that
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: people follow me on Instagram like Jews and their and
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: their wheels start turning.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Like thinking about, oh, this is something we could do. Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: And Abby Roth, who appeared on our podcast recently is
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: also Orthodox Jewish and planning on.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did listen to that one. Yeah, she's
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: like got the littler ones right now, right.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, her oldest is I think four, so she's still
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: a ways off, but she's she's we're a very similar mind.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's really cool. I think that that's great.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, part of the reason I was even got
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: at next in the first place is because I wanted
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to kind of be a homeschool not an influencer. I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: don't like that word. Like I want to like show
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: people that it's easy, that it's fun. That's why, Like
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: we have a co op group in town that I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: started with a friend like probably eight years ago now,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and like it was one thing before and now it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: just kind of like an encouragement group. It's like you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: can do it. Look here we do like this is
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: all and now it's full of that started in COVID
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and they do. They do it now all sorts of
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: different ways because there's a bunch of different ways you
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: can do it in California. But it's all. It's been
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: really fun and it like it feels like I'm fulfilling
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: some kind of like calling in a sense because it's like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I want people to know that this is easy and
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: it's fun and it's accessible, and like it's great. It
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: gives your kid such a great life, it gives your
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: family a great life. So car you should do it
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: because it's great. I will influence you right into it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: No, And that's how I feel about the Mom Wore Substack,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel about the podcast. That's how I
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: feel about Instagram. I'm trying to I'm trying to show
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: people like it's nice that you should do it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: I will say that I just assumed that everybody who
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: was homeschool was weird.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: True, Okaine, Well, true, it used to be true.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of them, Okay, Caitlin people.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It was no, it was even it was even truer
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: like when I was homeschool. Yeah, that's like I said, Yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that like stereotype of like super weird, and my husband
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: was actually homeschool. I was always homeschool in California and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it's never been is weird here because the hippies were
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: doing it in Santa Cruz forever and the people in
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Hollywood were even doing it way back in the day.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Because the child stars had to not go to school
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So California has never quite been as weird.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I was a super normal like you see my high
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: school pictures. I'm wearing regular clothes, like we're super normal homeschoolers. No,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we were not Amish, that's what people thought, which is
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: fine because there's a good portion of people in the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Midwest who are like that. The Amish people in the Mennonites,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I think, I don't even think they actually homeschool or
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just the girls who wore the denim dresses. Sure it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was the denim dresses, sure so. But my husband came
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: from the Midwest, and so he was one of the weird,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: nerd homeschoolers because that's cool. That was just where he
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: grew up. So he comes to California and now he's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: very nice, very cool, But that was definitely the vibe.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It was like he came to California, He's like, Oh,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: these homeschoolers here are not weird like the homeschoolers there.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just because we're so cool
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: in California. That's probably what it is. Thank you for
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: joining us, Thank you for having me.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Thanks so fun.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: This is really how can people follow you remind people.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So it's just on X, It's at missus c M
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Francis amazing. Now, that's it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: And if you don't go ahead, the algorithm will. That's true.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Apparently I just pop up on people's algorithm.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I feel like you're in EON's Good Books because you
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: always pop up online.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I love it though. I'm so glad that I might
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: both of you through this. This has been delightful.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Seriously, until next time, everyone should subscribe and leave a review.
• 53:31
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• 53:33
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• 53:36
  Speaker 3: but I want more and it's been.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: A while, so I'll go leave a review and tell
• 53:40
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