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Ornamental Grass Tips With Karen Parke · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening show,
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  Speaker 1: where we talk about gardening, horticulture, landscaping and more. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: we'll discuss anything that has to do with growing plants
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  Speaker 1: and keeping your yard in tip top shape. Now here
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  Speaker 1: are your hosts, Brian Maine, John Bagnasco, and Tiger Palafox
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  Speaker 1: on the Garden America Radio and Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Good you listening to the show. John after the fact,
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  Speaker 2: it could be even good evening, or good afternoon or
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  Speaker 2: good early morning, but we are live right now. It
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  Speaker 2: is Garden America broadcasting from the iHeartMedia and Entertainment Studios
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  Speaker 2: located in beautiful San Diego, California. Brian Maine, Tiger Palafox,
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  Speaker 2: John Begnasco is here and we are ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a guest this week. Haven't had a guest
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  Speaker 2: in probably over a month because of the holidays, right Tiger,
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  Speaker 2: So we have a guest this week.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be talking about ornamental grasses, growing them,
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  Speaker 3: taking care of them, which ones to plant, and so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of excited about that. Kind of a
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  Speaker 3: an interesting topic though, going into what's going on in
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles right now, with all of the fires and everything, that.
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  Speaker 2: Could be an entire show, you know in itself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know, the microphones.
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  Speaker 4: We need to let our listeners around, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: we have people around the world and around the country
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  Speaker 4: listening to us. That where we are in San Diego
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  Speaker 4: is not a problem. Everything is in the LA area,
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  Speaker 4: and our hearts go out to those people. But for
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  Speaker 4: those that are concerned about us, because all week I
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  Speaker 4: kept getting you know, people in Michigan sunny notes. Are
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  Speaker 4: you okay?
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Because when you watch it on the
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  Speaker 2: national news, they it's almost as if the entire state
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  Speaker 2: of California is burning, and it's it's within La County.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 3: And also I think that the other thing that is
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  Speaker 3: we we are accustomed to when these things happen is
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  Speaker 3: specifically Santa Anto winds. When they create the fires, they
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  Speaker 3: blow from the east to the west, so as you
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  Speaker 3: can see, those fires went to the.
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  Speaker 2: Ocean, right, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: We don't normally during during a normal fire, sometimes we
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  Speaker 3: do get smoke and we can get concerned because you know,
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  Speaker 3: it could be blowing north and south, it could be
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  Speaker 3: blowing east or west, whatever it is. When when a
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  Speaker 3: sant Ane and even in San Diego when those fires happen,
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  Speaker 3: all that smoke, all that fire danger goes towards the ocean,
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  Speaker 3: which we you know, we're not even getting any smoke,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And normally, like if there's a fire in
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  Speaker 3: La sometimes we'll have it or we'll smell it there.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, it's blowing out towards the ocean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And at my house it's been going one way in
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  Speaker 4: the morning and one way after the shift. Yeah, it shifts.
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  Speaker 4: It's like two different directions, you know, exactly. The last
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  Speaker 4: five days, everything's just been flat.
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  Speaker 2: Like Tiger mentioned, it is the winds that that's the
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  Speaker 2: biggest enemy of a fire obviously, because the ymbers, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: can blow miles. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys know Tom Kruth, Yeah, sure, probably one
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  Speaker 4: of the world's most famous rose breeders. He's got, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the striped rose Neil diamond. One of your favorite Brian,
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  Speaker 4: George burn it's one of your favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Roads, George.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, even Gracie, do you still have George Burns? I
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  Speaker 4: know that one of our listeners, Jan sent you one.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You wouldn't know what though if you walk through
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  Speaker 2: the pathway because everything's dormant, everything oh yeah, everything's sleeping
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, he's got anyone who grows roses, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: has one of time Carus roses. And now he is
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  Speaker 4: the head. He's the curator at the Huntington Botanical Gardens
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  Speaker 4: of roses. But unfortunately he lost his home in the fire.
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  Speaker 4: Oh he was able to escape only with a change
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  Speaker 4: of clothes, his phone, and his iPad or computer and
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  Speaker 4: that was it. So I wanted to let our listeners
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  Speaker 4: know that there is a go fundme page.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so if I.
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  Speaker 4: Think I GoFundMe, if you just type it and then
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  Speaker 4: I'll share, put a link and and you know, I
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  Speaker 4: know everybody's asking for donations this time of year, but
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  Speaker 4: if you're a gardener, especially if you're a rose grower, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know Tom Is, he's been on our show before,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, any rosarian just appreciates him devoting his
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  Speaker 4: entire life to growing roses and creating new roses for us.
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  Speaker 4: So anything from five dollars to five thousand dollars, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure with hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the reality is people walk away with nothing,
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  Speaker 2: whatever they had in their pocket, whatever clothes they had on,
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  Speaker 2: whatever they were able to grab and talk about starting
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  Speaker 2: life over again.
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  Speaker 3: How do you spell Tom's name? Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: Tom c A R R U T H Tom Kruth.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, he's already raised almost twenty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Really m h.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's outstanding anyway. So that that is our take
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  Speaker 2: on what's happening. Nothing going on here in San Diego
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  Speaker 2: so far. We are safe, but our hearts and our
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  Speaker 2: prayers go to those people in Los Angeles just devastating.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's it's sort of a once
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  Speaker 2: in a lifetime apocalyptic event.
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  Speaker 4: I know, our friend Alice at Lockhouse Plants up in
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  Speaker 4: Oregon has two nieces in the in that area. One
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  Speaker 4: of one of them their house burned down, and I
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  Speaker 4: think the other one was endangered, but I haven't heard
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  Speaker 4: any update on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's tough because I mean being here in
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  Speaker 3: southern California that you know, fires is are fires, and
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  Speaker 3: earthquakes are tornadoes and hurricanes, and you know, the the
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  Speaker 3: hard part about it with gardening is that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times gardening gets the bad name in a fire,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, oh, you know, if we would have
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  Speaker 3: done proper shrubber baitman, if we would have done this
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  Speaker 3: if we would have done that.
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  Speaker 2: Differently, playing on the hill, this wouldn't have happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know or or you know, and and there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of truth to that. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: research out there about defensible space and your property and
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  Speaker 3: all that. But at the same time, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: for Southern California, fires are our tornadoes, are hurricanes and
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  Speaker 3: our floods. So it's nature also, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: hard sometimes to say that you can fight nature with anything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, It's like it's like that, you know. I
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  Speaker 3: think there was that movie like Dante's Peak, when they
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  Speaker 3: took the k rails and try to redirect lava, and
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  Speaker 3: it's like anybody that lives in Hawaii I knows you
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  Speaker 3: don't redirect lava like it just lava goes where lava
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  Speaker 3: wants to go.
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  Speaker 2: And here's something else. You can have all the abatement,
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  Speaker 2: all the ice plant, but the wind is going to
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  Speaker 2: carry those embers up and over whatever whatever defense you
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  Speaker 2: may have, and that could be just as close as
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  Speaker 2: up the canyon and landing on top of your house.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's why if you go onlined. I think Monrovia
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  Speaker 4: did a good job of coming up with its own landscape.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's there's just some common sense like you know,
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  Speaker 4: don't put a tree right next to the house, right sure,
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  Speaker 4: or and and you can still you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: usually a landscape is going to help, right yeah, And
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  Speaker 4: of course, you know, unfortunately southern California has been getting
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  Speaker 4: rid of lawns, and actually lawns would be a great
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  Speaker 4: return to the fires.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So anyway, that that's our take, and we hope
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  Speaker 2: that people that you know are okay and are safe.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah yeah, but by the way, also yeah, right,
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  Speaker 4: succulents will help make it through fires. And and I
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  Speaker 4: brought in some succulents.
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  Speaker 2: To any succulents John, you know, camera.
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  Speaker 4: If you're online and you want to buy succulents. I
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  Speaker 4: noticed that Altman Plants has an Amazon site that sells
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  Speaker 4: a lot of them. But if you're in the Southern
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  Speaker 4: California area, in Escondido is Oasis water Efficient Plants. And
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  Speaker 4: I went there the other day and they had a
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  Speaker 4: great selection of new varieties, new hybrids. The aloes that
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  Speaker 4: are there, Tiger, I think I might be Kelly Griffin's hybrids,
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  Speaker 4: but anyway, I you know, I just thought they were
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  Speaker 4: really cool I'll also have.
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  Speaker 2: What's called living rocks in there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's living there's living stones and living
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  Speaker 4: rocks and there the that group of plants Brian is
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  Speaker 4: referred to as mimic mimicry plants because they mimic pebbles
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  Speaker 4: and stones in the landscape. So if you were you
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  Speaker 4: could imagine putting those in a little saucer, a little
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  Speaker 4: uh planter with with with pebbles and rocks around them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be nice.
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  Speaker 4: But you know when they bloom, and these just finished blooming.
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  Speaker 4: When they bloom, the bloom covers the entire plant. It's
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  Speaker 4: like a huge daisy uh over an inch wide.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever grow these lithops from seed? You see
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  Speaker 3: them in seed packages everyone? Have you ever done that?
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm years ago. I may have tried, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, back then I didn't have the patient.
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  Speaker 2: They're always just that big when you get them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is I have tried. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to downplay, but like, I'm never successful with it.
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  Speaker 4: Really, I've had them germany, have you, Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 4: it's so tiny.
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  Speaker 3: So so whenever I see them and a grower has
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  Speaker 3: produced them, I'm always.
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  Speaker 2: Impressed because absolutely, because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you can grow something from seed, because
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  Speaker 3: that's how they grow these right, right, like you know
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  Speaker 3: all our offsets do they do that? Because they do.
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  Speaker 4: They do sucker or offset and you can just pull.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's an easy way. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how they grew them, like you know the altmands, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think a lot of times people will
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  Speaker 3: grow them from seed, and I'm always impressed by that.
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  Speaker 2: We've got about a minute ago. We want to tease
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  Speaker 2: h our audience with our guests today. But John, you
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  Speaker 2: want to do the quot of the week and then
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  Speaker 2: we'll we'll take a break for BizTalk Radio. Bring on
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  Speaker 2: our guests for this, uh this portion of the show.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Brian. The quote is from we have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of quotes from mcgarten writer Hal Borland, and he said
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  Speaker 4: that winter strips the broad leaf trees to their essentials.
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  Speaker 4: Now they stand in bare bones, all of them except
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  Speaker 4: the pines and the spruces and the hemlocks, and you
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  Speaker 4: can see what stands behind their graceful summer shapes. Nice
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  Speaker 4: new cartoon in the newsletter too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, check out that newsletter. The caricature of myself that
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  Speaker 2: John put together. Okay, we're going to take a break.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest coming up Tiger.
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  Speaker 3: Is Karen Park with Mussa Creek Nursery.
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  Speaker 2: Mussa Creek local company here in San Diego, Vally Santa Rista. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: with that in mind, this is Garden America. Happy weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Going to take a break for BizTalk radio. Brian and
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  Speaker 2: John Bagnascar target Palafox back after these messages and once again,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to Garden America.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
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  Speaker 6: John and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: Just like that, we are back here on Garden America
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  Speaker 2: and so we continue. Hopefully everything has been taken care of.
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  Speaker 2: We're settling down here concentrating on gardening, horticulture and right
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  Speaker 2: now concentrating on Tiger with Karen our guest on today's show.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: Before before we bring on Karen, John was mentioning his
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  Speaker 3: new gopher gopher count.
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  Speaker 4: For the week sixty four, the update sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Four, I this was for the week.
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  Speaker 4: No, god, no, it's actually been over ten months and
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  Speaker 4: all except for one the one that bit me that
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  Speaker 4: I got to come out awesome with a host, best
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  Speaker 4: story sixty three of them were caught with the Gopher hawks.
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  Speaker 4: And I've had people say, you know, the Gopher hawks
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  Speaker 4: are kind of expensive, but if you're in the San
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  Speaker 4: Diego area, I get mine at Grand Gjettos and it's
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  Speaker 4: thereby far the best.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know what, It's too bad they're not
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  Speaker 2: a sponsor, because what a great angle to have the
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  Speaker 2: Gopher account each week?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what the Gopher account brought to you
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  Speaker 3: by Grand Jettos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, well, we'll work on that. In the meantime, Tiger,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to toss it back to you. Let's bring
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  Speaker 2: on Karen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Karen Park joining us from Mussa Creek
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  Speaker 3: Nursery this morning. Karen, thanks for joining us. How are
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  Speaker 3: you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Of course, good morning. I'm having a little hard time
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  Speaker 5: hearing you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll try to work on the audio. Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's on our end, but I wanted to welcome to
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  Speaker 3: the show Musa Creek Nursery one of the premier Southern
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  Speaker 3: California growers of native plants. Karen, Now you've you've recently
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  Speaker 3: started working with Musa Creek Nursery or you've been working
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  Speaker 3: with Music Greek for nursery for a long time. There's
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  Speaker 3: been a.
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  Speaker 5: Transition having trouble here. You have a good I can't
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  Speaker 5: hear you.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is good and our end it's it's the same.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what yeah, what that might be? Can
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  Speaker 2: you hear me, Karen?
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  Speaker 5: I can, yes, but not me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's just me. How about you can Can
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  Speaker 3: she hear John?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I can hear you very clearly. Whoever's talking right now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's Joe. Okay, Tiger go ahead, yeah, Karen?
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  Speaker 3: Can you hear me now a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, okay, we'll keep you pumped up there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: What about if you write down what you want to
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  Speaker 4: ask her and pass it over to me and I'll
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  Speaker 4: just pass on the.
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  Speaker 5: Question so we can do it.
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  Speaker 3: So sorry for the technical issue, Careen, But Moose Creek Nursery,
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  Speaker 3: tell us about Musa Creek. Tell us about your involvement
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  Speaker 3: there with the nursery.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, Music Creek's been a native plant nursery for twenty years.
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  Speaker 5: Of twenty twenty four, Sue and Hank started a nursery
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  Speaker 5: because they built a house and they couldn't find native
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  Speaker 5: plants to put back into their lands. Gape and Hank
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  Speaker 5: was an opportunist and an entrepreneur, and he thought that
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  Speaker 5: there was a need for that in the industry, so
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  Speaker 5: he started to grow a few native plants, went back
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  Speaker 5: to his day job, left Sue answering the phone, and
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  Speaker 5: kind of I could just say that was the beginning
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  Speaker 5: and in the end of Hank's involvement and took over
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  Speaker 5: and over about ten fifteen years, they grew the nursery
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  Speaker 5: and the demand for native plants has increased, and they've
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  Speaker 5: done a great job for providing them and created a
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  Speaker 5: marketing and retail I'm looking for presents so that people
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  Speaker 5: could buy plants and put them in their backyards, and
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  Speaker 5: it's just taken off and been a very vital part
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  Speaker 5: of San Diego's native plants since then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, and your involvement there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I started eight years ago. I was between
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  Speaker 5: corporate stressful jobs and decided I wasn't going to do
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  Speaker 5: that anymore. And I literally just went to the farmer's
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  Speaker 5: market and to all my landscape friends and said, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I need a stressless job that can keep me working
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  Speaker 5: with plants and maybe do something different. And someone said
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  Speaker 5: that Sue was hiring, and that's the day I found
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  Speaker 5: out about native plants in my life really changed completely.
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  Speaker 3: And do you think that growing plants like is less stressful?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, especially compared to my personal last job. At the
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  Speaker 5: plant people in particular are just very nice for giving,
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  Speaker 5: they're just amazing people to work with. It's just a
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  Speaker 5: different to a different stress level.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say it's a it's a
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  Speaker 3: different stress because you know, you're working with plants, you're
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  Speaker 3: working with plant people. That's an enjoyable experience. Sometimes plants
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  Speaker 3: stress me out though, in the sense of like why
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  Speaker 3: won't you grow or what?
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  Speaker 5: Or would you die? Why does somebody want something else?
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  Speaker 5: Or Yes, but that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where the other stress comes in our business is to
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  Speaker 2: keep things alive. Yeah, we're responsible every day to keep
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  Speaker 2: you alive. Now, whether you cooperate or not, that's another
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  Speaker 2: story otherwise. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, So we wanted to bring you on the program
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  Speaker 3: this morning to talk a little bit about one of
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  Speaker 3: a particular type of plant, and that's the ornamental grasses.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of native ornamental grasses, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of non native ornamental grasses, but grasses add an
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  Speaker 3: element to the landscape that just most other I mean
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  Speaker 3: they're in their own category, right, because we can talk shrubs,
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  Speaker 3: we can drop trees, perennials and annuals, but grasses are
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  Speaker 3: their own category because there's nothing else like them, and
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  Speaker 3: and so they're an important part because I kind of
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  Speaker 3: feel also if you see a landscape without a grass
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  Speaker 3: in it, it just looks a little bit off. I
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  Speaker 3: think that you know, all landscapes kind of why or that?
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  Speaker 3: So tell us what is a ornamental grass?
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  Speaker 5: And grass can be a couple of things. It could
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  Speaker 5: definitely be native, and it could be give all of
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  Speaker 5: the benefits that a native grass gives. But additionally it
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  Speaker 5: has usually just appeal for a person, aesthetic appeal. It
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  Speaker 5: has some kind of plume or some kind of decorative
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  Speaker 5: look to it, and then just is usually more aesthetic
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  Speaker 5: than beneficial in other ways. But we have native grasses
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  Speaker 5: that are both, and we have invasive grasses of course,
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  Speaker 5: non natives that are aesthetically pleasing that we sometimes put
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  Speaker 5: in our landscape.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the I mean, asides from in John,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I mean your early years in southern California, nurseryman was
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: pompous grass around, Like, did you sell that in the
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: nursery right.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: It was probably one of the most common grass, was it, Yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: if not the most was it?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: And that was just horrible, right, like just recedes just
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: goes everywhere.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That's the name, yeah, pop, yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, But today I think that one of those grasses
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: would be the stipa, the Mexican feather grass. And I mean,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: you know it's again, it just reseeds, goes everywhere. And
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: when I was young in the nursery industry, no, nursery
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: didn't have it. And now I don't see it anymore.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Do you do you see it much around, Karen? I mean,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: besides it just repopulating everyone in everyone's yard.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: No, Unfortunately, I've been seeing it on a few bids
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: still here and there, But overall, no, it's pretty much.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I think we're finally learning and finally getting it down
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: that we cannot be putting that out there and.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And but at the same time, there are stipas that
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that do not do that, right, So that's the hard
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: thing is like there's there's in the same family of grasses,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: there's different wants and they get all grouped together because
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of native stipa.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Right, or there's a matter of fact, stipa polkra, which
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: is the purple three on is actually not only an
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: amazing grass, but it's our state grass. Oh real, Yeah,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: we have a state grass. It's one of our more
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: common grasses in San Diego County. It's really good looking.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: But yes, you're right, it's a stipa, and so sometimes
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: people could mentally lump them together and just think generally
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: negative thoughts. But it's a great grass and it's our
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: state grass.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I think that state grass was just made legal a
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: few years ago.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Listening, Oh goodness, hey, Karen, we do have to take
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: a break. When we get back, we're going to continue
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: chatting with Karen Park from Mootsa Creek Nursery, and we're
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: going to be talking about ornamental grasses.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, and those on Facebook Live questions comments there on
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the comment thread right there, Feel free whatever is on
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: your mind. We're going to take a break for BizTalk Ratio,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: John Big Nascar W I'm Brian Maintoget PELI Fox Back
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: with Karen after beat these messages on BO.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: John and Tiger all Right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: With Garden America back after the break. Hope you had
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a good break here Facebook Live, biz Talk Radio, whatever
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: is on your mind in accordance with what's happening now
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: with Karen talking grasses here on our Facebook page and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: biz Talk Radio. Back to you, Tiger.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking again with Karen Park with Mussa Creek Nursery.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And before the break we were just talking about what
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: an ornamental grass is, and you know, she was describing
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: on how to use them in a landscape as far
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: as you know, for their their beautiful plumes or the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: textures of the foliage. And you know, we mentioned a
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: couple that you maybe should avoid, Mexican feather grass, pompus grass.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Are there any other ones? You know, I know that
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: you're focused mostly in call Karen, are there any any
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: other grasses that you might want to mention to avoid?
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: The one that's not planted that we see in the
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: wild quite a bit is called a rondo. It's like
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: giant reed grass. It looks like a grass at a
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: year lawn, but it's about ten to fifteen feet tall.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: This is a horrible grass, typically not in homes, but
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: it's more in the wild that displaces other native plants. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: and then there's a few penacetums. It's a type of
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: grass that seeds terribly. I have a name written down here.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the arundo though. I mean that's in a lot
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: of our water ways, are a lot of our flow
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: areas where it just spreads like crazy and then.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Looks a little like bamboo.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you said, it's like it's like the grass.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: It's like a big piece of you know, Saint Augustine
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: grass just ten feet tall. Remind you of being in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that movie Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's a premium plant in the Midwest.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Oh really, the variegated form, which is not quite as invasive,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: but you know, because it they have freezes and say
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: keep it in control.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Pinaceum is another grass that is bad for San
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Diego that receeds terribly. Fountain grass. It's I'm going to
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: say it right pacedum uh set to see them something
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: like that, Okay, that one that one seeds terribly and
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: displaces our other grasses. People really like it. The fountain
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: grass has a really pretty seed head to it. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: it's purchased a lot, but it also needs to be
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: eradicated from our stores and not sold.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Purple one re tiger, No, not as much.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: No, not the moly that one seems to be okay
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: so far.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so you know that is something that
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: we should mention Careen, is that, you know, a lot
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: of the beauty of the grasses is that plume, right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: that that bloom that it does have off of it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: But that is also a lot of the mess and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: also a lot of the problem. If you do allow
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it to bloom and it does recede, it'll get into
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: every nook and cranny of your yard. But also even
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: the ones that maybe don't receive real well, they can
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: create a bit of a mess. So you know, when
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we're talking about care of the grasses, do you have
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: any tips for people that have them in their landscape
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: about maybe some of the different care techniques on keeping
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: them looking good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: I think it kind of depends on the person in
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the yard. I like to leave my grasses knife and tall,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and I don't cut them back until the early spring.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: What I'm after is getting all the insects and all
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: of the birds their food and their nesting material for
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: the fall and through winter. Other people have grasses that
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: are supposed to be ornamental and they're close to the house,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: and so maybe they want to cut them back so
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: that the green grows back up through and looks nice
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: in the springtime. So some people cut them back in
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: the fall, and some people leave them.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So you're saying a good way to be a good
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: steward of nature is to leave them through into the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: winter because there's critters that you know use it for
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: either nesting or they live in them, and you don't
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: want to cut them back because there's a lot of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: benefits to the dry grass or the plumes or anything
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Right, Yes, the grasses host insects and that's so important
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: during the wintertime for our birds and even small mammals
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: that rely on insects when it's dry and there's not
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: a whole lot of other things for them to have.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: And then yes, the birds use the grasses for also
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: insects that they eat but attacked to use as their
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: nesting material.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, John, we got a couple of questions. When I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: think John's got a question.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, John, And Newport Beach says that he has an
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: ornamental grass that somebody told him was cowboy grass. Cowboy
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: like the way you put your and he wants to
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: know yeh yeah, the scientific name and if it's invasive.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: But I'm really not sure what that is, Karen, do you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Know, I don't.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm assuming it's like a right, that's what
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I see, like what a cowboy would put in their
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: mouth and mouth and like just hang out the.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Side something something.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I googled it and I only see cologne.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: You see, there's a name of a colone called cowboy grass.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah about love it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: But now again, somebody told him it was called cowboy grass.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: So it's not as if this is scientific or you know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Right right, Well, that's why he wanted to know your
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: scientific If we know what it is. If we know
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: what it was, we would know what grass.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: We don't know what it is, but we think it
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: is invasive.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Well maybe right, well yeah, And then Veronica Tiger says
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: that in Spring Valley. She says she's got Mexican feather
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: grass that shows up in her yard and oh gosh.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: She says she didn't know anything about it. So she
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: put it in a pot and she said, yep, it travels. Yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: she said, she just sticks it up and puts it
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: back in the same pot, and she taking are cutting
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the seed heads right now and then helps a little bit.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Control it her busy for a lifetime.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, that's a you know, you know, Karen,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: back back in the day alyssam reseeded, you know, that
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: little white flowering or purple flowering plant would receed. A
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: lot of the varieties of a lissam don't reced as
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: much as they used to, you know today, But back
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: in the day, that was a plant that when you
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: planted a lissom, you had it pop up in every
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: little nook and cranny of your landscape as it just grew.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Kind Of, that's that's stipa right there is It'll just
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: get into every nook and cranny. So uh, maintenance you're saying,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: kind of if you can leave the grasses through the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: winter for the critters, if you want to be a
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: good steward of some of the nature. The way I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: kind of see grasses too is it's kind of like
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: those like help beds in the ocean, where it just
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: gives that opportunity for place for critters to like live
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and eat and be safe. Right Like, there's a lot
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: of really, yeah, a good place to hang out because
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: there's so much in them, So you know on the watering.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Do you continue watering these all the way through the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: winter too, or is there a time of year where
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you kind of start to begin to cut back because
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: they don't always grow all year round.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: They don't. This time of year, they're looking pretty brown
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: and they go they go winter dormant and they don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: grow too much. Yeah, it's just it's just perfect personal
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: preference also too. And I don't want to use the
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: word fire today. I really really don't want to. But
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: if you don't want to have too many grasses super
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: close to the house either, and if that was the case,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: then maybe you would you would trim them back pretty
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: hard in fall and not. Wait.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: In our typical housing areas where you've got just your
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: standard backyards or a little piece of property, I think
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: grasses are a must have And if you feel the
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: need to cut them back in the fall, that's okay.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: But just in my moral compass, in my yard in particular,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: I just love grasses throughout the fall, and I just
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: know that they're going to be needed for our wild life.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Well they will. They just add a softness to the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: landscape that you you can't achieve any other way, right,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I mean no, especially like.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: We're talking about it. It's so dry and it is
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: just all of the native plants kind of shrink up
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: and do their stress things. So to have the grass
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: and have the texture, you know, I can't agree more.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: It's just part of the palette, part of the aesthetic palette, all.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Right, and can we have about a minute left of
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: this spot. But I did want to lead into what
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I want to chat a little bit more about into
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the next spot. Is there's also a lot of ornamental
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: grasses or grasses that you know, this lawn alternative, you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: or meadow style grasses where people have filled areas of
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: their landscape with with grasses that they just don't mow,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: or they do mow but just not regularly like a
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: fescue lawn or anything like that. And again, if you're
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: looking for like a low water lawn, there's a lot
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of options there. We have about a minute, so I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: will cut you off. But you know, are there some
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: varieties out there that you recommend for that?
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I think a couple of the nurseries recommend different things.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: At most generally we say it's called Carrick's preg rescillis.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: It's our clustered field sedge. It takes to mowing. It
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: does clump, but they're really small and kind of a flat,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: so if you plant them together they can be mode.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Nan Sternham are our local gardening professional at her house.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: She has an amazing carre ex lawn if you're ever
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: able to see it on a tour. I believe Native
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: West does suggest a fescue. So yeah, there's there's several ideas.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you wouldn't get out your standard lawnmower and
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: you know, mow them and then you know, maybe play
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: games on it. But it's super walkable and good for pets.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: All right, we are going to take a break. We
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: get back. We'll continue chatting with Karen Park.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And those on Facebook Live. Yeah, keep those questions comments coming.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: We are talking grasses here with Karen this morning, and
• 30:38
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• 30:40
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• 30:47
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• 31:16
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• 31:19
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• 31:22
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• 31:23
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• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're talking with Karen from Music Greek Nursery
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and before the break, we were talking about some of
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the grasses you might use as a long alternative and Karen,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: when it comes to those kinds of grasses, usually they're
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: kind of spreading style, right, Yeah, So they'll reproduce mostly
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: by like root systems or do they recede?
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: The one that we suggest is usually by a little
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: bit of both that mostly by seed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Okay. And and if you were going to plant a
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: grass area like that, overhead watering drip system.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: A million dollar question. Yeah, I'm a big fan of
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: overhead watering. I know the water district isn't the big
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: fan because there's some evaporation, but that's what the native
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: plants are used to. I know many gardeners that are
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: successful with drip. I just might call out with drip
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: is that sometimes it gets soggy around the crown of plants,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: but for a grass that might might be okay to
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: have just a lower water and not overhead. But generally
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: with grasses, especially along I would think overhead would be better.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And also don't grass is specifically like So for instance,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: let's say you did have a native a native garden
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: in a low lying area of your garden, they don't
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: they suck up that water a little bit better, so
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: you maybe don't have such a boggy area, you know
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: where maybe if you planted sages or see a note
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: this or something like that, they might actually rod out.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Would that help kind of absorb some.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Of the water.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, native grasses are super good for erosion control, stabilization,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: saving water, cleaning water, and yes, they would do just
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: fine with seasonal or flooding like that or extra water.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: It depends on the grass. Some of them really like
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: to be dry. But these grasses that we're talking about
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: for lawn would definitely been good for some of those
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: lower lying areas.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that this is another thing
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: because I think people group grasses all together as one.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And you know, when they talk about grasses, they think
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: of a lawn and they always think of a heavy
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: feeder you know, nitrogen rich fertilizer, and sure you know
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: all that. Now when we're talking ornamental grass, is it
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: the same is it the same case? Are they kind
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: of a nitrogen rich fertilizer grass a plant or or
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: are they different?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Not as much? But yes, they're still super beneficial for
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: the soil, mostly for filtration and just water quality.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but do they require the fertilizer like a lawn wood.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no. We'll never give any any kind
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: of native plants fertilizer unless they're dying or last.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Hope trying to salvage it there. And you know, grouping
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: that all the kind of the natives together, and you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: with the grasses, you know, we usually talk about planting
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: in the fall, you know, to kind of get them
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: well established and kind of growing into the spring and
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: so that way they're established by the summer. Is that
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: kind of a similar schedule for the grasses as well,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: or is there a different timeline for them?
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: No?
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I think grasses are more You can do those more
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: throughout the year. When we're concerned about getting things established
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: before the heat. That's usually shrubs or tender plants that
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: we just want to get started right away, But I
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: think grasses you could plant throughout the year. They're a
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: bit dormant this time of year and they might not
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: take off right away until until the spring. But I
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: think grasses are something you could plant just about any
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: time of year.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And you know, the other neat thing about I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: with when it comes to planting, you know, grasses in
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a landscape is that a lot of a lot of
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the energy, a lot of the plant is within the
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: root system, right So even if you planted it and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it struggled, you know, like if you plant a sage
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and it struggles or dries up, you're a really good
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: chance you lost that sage. But with the grass, you
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you know you plant it struggles, there's a chance it
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: can come.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Back, right absolutely, especially if you plant it this time
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: of year. It's not going to do much because the
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: grasses are dormant. It's just kind of kind of sleep
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: for a little bit, and then ideally in the spring
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: summer it starts to put on those roots, which you
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: still won't see and then maybe you don't see any
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: growth until the end the summer, maybe even into the
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: next season.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, on when it comes to picking out some of
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the varieties. Are there Are there any that you kind
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: of get excited about, you know, when are there any
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: new ones out there that you want to mention to
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: our listeners.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: My two favorite grasses are the standard deer grass, the
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: mulenburge erisions that everybody uses and loves. I think it's
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: a great size, It stays neat and size, it's not invasive,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: it grows anywhere, grows all around our county, and it's
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: a bigger grass, so it takes up a nice amount
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: of space do The other one that I really like
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: is the purple three on, which is the aristo Apurpleraea,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: And it's just much more ornamental. When those seedheads and
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: those spikelets come in in the springtime and then the
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: summertime they're red. They're like a purple color, and they're
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: really pretty in the.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Breeze and in the yard and on the deer grass.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Do you know if that got its name because deer
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: eat it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I'm sure sure they do.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you if you want to track some
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: deer into the landscape, you know, yeah, exactly. My My
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: mother in law lives up in near Auburn, California, which
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: is in between Sacramento, and trucky and she has deer
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: coming into her yard every day. They she she lives
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: in an area and there's just constant deer and it's funny.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: She actually has a synthetic lawn in her front yard
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and one day sent me this picture of this giant
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: buck deer just just sitting on the front lawn, just
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: lounging out there, just right there. I was like, holy cow,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: that's so amazing. But yeah, exactly, you know, you've got
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: to be able to enjoy it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Now if any cowboys show up and sit on your grass,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I guess we're talking cowboy grass, right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we still gotta circle back on that one. Hey,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: so we are going to take a break about uh,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: what do we have Brian? About another and a half? Okay,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: really neat thing that Musa Creek Nursery does is you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: guys post your availability online for people to see, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: we do, and so people can order from your website
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and actually get it shipped to a local garden center
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: where they can pick it up.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So right now, Music Creek supports about thirty retail
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: stores between San Diego, Los Angeles the Riverside in Orange County.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: We make deliveries weekly, and if you go onto our website,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: you can order to have those plants delivered to your
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: favorite Mission Hills nursery or wherever at whatever garden center
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: is closest to you. And we stock plants at these
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: nurseries also, so if they don't have what you're looking
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: for in stock, we can put it on the truck
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: and bring it down the following week.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. I mean it gives the nurseries an
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: option to have way more inventory than what they maybe
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: have space for, and it allows the customer to be
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: able to prouse a little bit more than maybe what
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: they would normally see.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Hey, Karen, Oh, I was just gonna say, we don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: have a whole lot of native plant nurseries in southern California,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: so sometimes it's hard to find a nice Yeah, it's
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: been a nice feature.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. H Hey, thank you very much for joining
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: us this weekend and taking your time and talking a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: little bit about natives and grasses with us. And again,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Musa Creek Nursery dot com is the website. Yes, all right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: thank you, Karen, have a good rest of the weekend.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you, by bye.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks Karen and again, We're going to take a quick
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: break and news coming up. Biz Talk Radio Weekend back
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: officially six minutes after Facebook Life.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: A bit quicker. This is Gardener America.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Alrighty Gardener Marca is back in action, hot mics and
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: everything that goes along with that. If you're who did
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: on Vince Talk Radio, we're kicking off our two Facebook Live.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: We just it's just one entire audio band. We just don't.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: We just don't quick wait on on Facebook Live right now.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: With Brian's camera. If you're looking at it, you see
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: his screen, it looks like he's tracking satellite waves or
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: something from a SpaceX launch on him.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I am monitor. I'm tracking all the people
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that are that are tuned in on or watching on
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Facebook Live. These are analytics as well.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm looking at the computers. Look at how
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: you have your audio just fill up the whole screen.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's an adjustment. We can make it smaller
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is smaller, but it looks like we're
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: yelling at each other.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: We could, but yeah, you can see that in that
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: that camera shot that I'm in. And also John is
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: uh I've never seen John so up and around and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: alive and ready to go. Up and around and alive
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and ready to go.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I don't feel that way.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I'm really tired today.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: That's okay, though, you know what just showing up is contributing.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I've had to get up early the last few days.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: By the way, if anyone, yesterday I did a show
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: on Wisconsin Public Radio on the I'm trying to think,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: the Larry Meeler Show.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: How can we see? How can we find?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Larry Meeler has a a website for his show for Wisconsin.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: How do you spell his last name?
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: It's M by M E I L L E R Larry.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Meeler, Larry Meeler.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: All right, so you can go anyway.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: It's our would you What did you guys talk about?
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: We talked about gardening.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Wow, really that surprises me. John.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the show is supposed to be about cactus and succulence,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: and we we did talk about that a little, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I had to mention roses.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: And just like this show, we have a topic and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: then we start to drift and then people become enamored, enamored,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: i should say, with what we've drifted to. And they
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: asked questions.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: I've started planting for spring already, you know, I'm putting
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: roses in the ground. And I mentioned I went to
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Oasis water Fishing Plants and picked up some of these
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: new succulents and hybrids. And there's that one. Most of
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: our listeners know what Epiphylum are the orchid cactus, right,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: And this one just intrigued me because it's twisted. You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: if I was going to name that variety, Brian, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: might call it twisted, sister.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing when you said that
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: our minds worked. Well, I tell you or I let
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you say that twisted, sister.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure it's going to bloom. I don't know
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: what the bloom will look like. But the leaves just
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: intrigued me. One thing about Epiphylum I noticed the last
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: two years is snails love them.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Oh really?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Now this so far this year, it's been dry and
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: snails are not as.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Much of it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Don't see many snails you have them like in the
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: ground though, meaning normally you see them up in a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: you see them in a pot or in a basket.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, these were in a pot setting on a stump.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, and they they snails just crawl up the side.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right up there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just so I was going to say that
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: the last two years I've had I've killed, which is
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: a pretty strong words, but thousands and thousands of snails.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: It's just unbelievable.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen many snails the last couple of years.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Oh really?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: And is that even now?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I can? I can bring you some next week.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you in a weird way, is that
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a good or bad sign? Well, if you have something.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: So here's the challenge for years and early a weird way.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: That's kind of a normal way to ask a question.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying I'm thinking, you know how we say
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes a quasi past might be good for whatever weird reason.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Well, but here's the hard thing for you, you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: John and I can say, well, if we haven't seen
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: a snail, that could be a weird thing because we
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: know our yards. For you, you have a landscape company
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that's managing your property and they could be dropping snail
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: bait and you might not know it, so which a
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: lot of companies will do, and so they've controlled it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: But you now like, wow, I don't see any snails
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: before where the company before or maybe there's something that
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: changed that they never used snail bait, and then you
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: saw more snails. So it's kind of hard for you
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to know where John knows if he drops slug o,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you know, and if he sees snails after he drops slugo,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: he's like it didn't work. But if he hasn't put
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: anything down, because did you ever get your decal at snails? No,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: they know they've been really hard to get.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you said they weren't available, right.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: You know what you just said makes a lot of sense.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: But however, as I've observed this current landscape company, it's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the same one several years. I just see them as
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: a company that comes out, trims, sweeps, blows and gets
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: out of there. I don't see a lot of like
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: intricate taking care of like a snail problem. It would
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: almost be like we would have to call and complain
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: about snails or some other past and you know around
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the landscaping, you know, call the h away office. Okay,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: we'll make sure next time they're out there to take
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: care of that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: So you live in a condo too, so it's it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: an area that's not wild, right, So once the snails
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: are under control, it's easier might be in the CC
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: and ours too that no snails allows are allowed, right right, No,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: you bring up a good point. You know snails are
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: but you know Teiger mentioned on the deck with snails
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: last year, they just weren't available anywhere. Yeah, and and
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they'll be available this year.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what the issue was. I think
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it's where they were harvested from, because you know the ladybugs,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you know, people have to know that those are harvested
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: out of out of areas. You know that you buy
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: at the store, they get permits and they go into
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: different woodland areas where they actually harvest all those lady
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: bugs from. So I think the deckless snails are kind
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: of a similar thing. But you brought in you you
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: brought in a bunch of other little old guys over here.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Succulents wise too, John.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: You know there's what like four aloes.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these this little grouping here.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you if you look at those, you
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: can see the varietal names on the size. But there
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: there's something different to all of them.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: That one I noticed, just a little tiny root.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have to I.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Have to watch on fire cracker aloe fire cracker, and they're.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Smaller aloes and blooming. You can see one has got
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: a bloom coming.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: That one.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I really liked snow drip now.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: You know. The the challenge with some of these aloes, though,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: is that you buy them at the gardens and they
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: look like this and yeah, and they don't put it
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: like what is there? You know, what is their mature size?
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Because you know, I've seen aloes that get massive.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Right, and these are mostly smaller aloes. You know, elos
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: are grow all the way up to tree size, right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: and some of the tree elows, which are really cool
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: and they don't take that long to get tree sizes.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: But these are smaller alos. They're great for pots, little
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: accents in the landscape.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: What's the story in the living rocks? I'm passion goes
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: back to it. I just I think that's just I've
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: never heard of that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Well, there's there's two there. Lithops are usually called living stones,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: right tiger and then the the other living rock is
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: a different one, but lithops. A lot of people plant
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: those in really well during gravelly soil and then put
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: pebbles around them and.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Looks like a set of lungs and it does well.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: You know, each lithops when it comes up is a
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: just one single leaf each of these this is a leaf.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: And then the plant splits right in the center and
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: a flower comes up that's the size of a daisy.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: This that is really cool.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: This isn't a gave white rhino.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that one is a white form of the
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: agave Victoria regini, which is a nice agavi to begin with.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: But this one with the white and it is really
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: really neat.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: You know. What I've always loved about agaves too, is
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: the markings on the leaves from when it comes out.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So for instance, like some of the times you'll see
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: them with the the thorns on the edge and you'll
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: see on the leaf it's imprinted, you know, the thorn markings.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And you can see on this one you can see
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the markings of where the leaf has come out. And
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: they lose it as they mature, but it's but it
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: makes it have the a really a really neat fingerprint,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: so to speak, on the actual leave as they kind
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of come out.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I like white variegation and succulents and that one echav
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: area there, Oh yeah, I think it's it acava compactive area.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Gotta that was well well said. I.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I just I'm just fascinated by those colors, and I've
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: done really good in my landscape putting ecavarreas I know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: they like supposedly like partial shade in the hot inland areas,
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: but mine are out in full sun and they're they're
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: doing really well. I think the key is to make
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: sure that they're in a well drained soil and you're
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: not going to overwater them.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: What do you get a leaf to mind of sunlight
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: this time of year as we look, you know outside
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: your patio doors there, that's where this exactly.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Because that's the north side of the house, away from
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: the patio where I've had the roses, you know, sitting
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: waiting to be planted. That area was always full sun.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: But this time of year, half of yeah, that is shaded.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna take a break off for biz Talk Radio.
• 50:03
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• 50:05
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• 50:08
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• 50:11
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• 50:13
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• 50:15
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• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to look for Carlo's question. I can't go
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: up more.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Way back in the beginning before the guest.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have, Rick asked a question about if new
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: CEOs was still standing, And then I see Carlos comment
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: that says see the comment below, and there is no
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: comment below on my screen. So so I.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Don't know, Carla.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Host it again, carl Yeah, post it again.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We're watching.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for some reason it didn't come across. It was
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: right when she said her screen frost and then she
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: said it's okay. So maybe when that happened, I did
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: not get the post. This is the time of year
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: to prune roses in southern California. Listening to us in
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: a cold part of the country. Yes, we know you
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: don't go out in the snow and prune roses, but.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Prune last month, did you really?
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't hurt.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: You know what on hurt? They start looking a little pruney.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, here we go.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: They're begging, they're begging to be prune. Go ahead, time,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'll interject, yeah, Carla.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Praying for the Newshoo brothers and their Chameleon nursery and
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Alta Dina. Ironically, I received three camellias from them on Tuesday.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I complained that they came on the worst day possible
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: with the wind, not realizing what would transpire in a
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: few short hours. I did receive a bill from them yesterday,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: but their website says temporarily closed. Praying for the best.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: So yeah, right in the fire area.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, so we hope for the best Nucios
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: We were talking earlier about Tom caruse house burning down,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: and Tom, I believe lives in Altadena and that's where
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Nuccio's also is, right.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, that's bummer. You know, it's always uh,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: you know, that's the thing about nurseries too, is a
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: lot of times there and nucios. I mean, this is
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: not relevant to the one we're talking about now, but
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of times are on the outskirts of towns,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that's where always nurseries are out out out
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: in the the most fire danger parts of town. And
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: they're always the ones that kind of usually get affected
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: by these problems because you know, they they're in rural areas.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Because the land's too valuable to grow things. And yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: it's the truth.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: It's very rare that you have a city nurse tree,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: you know, unless it's been absorbed and kept in the
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: family for years, in generations and generations.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: That was the even garden centers like Mission Hills, Yeah,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: exactly's been there for one hundred years.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen ten, is that right, That's right. But you're
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: going this is your one hundred and twenty fifth and
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: yeah it is the big one twenty five, big one
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: two five? What do you what are you gonna?
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: What do you get someone for their one hundred and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: twenty fifth ANNIVERSI math?
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: So it's not one hundred and fifteen fifteen?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I said, was it?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in twenty twenty five.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm usually pretty good at well if you had
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: opened it up in nineteen.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Hundred, yeah, you said, tween ten.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I know, I might. I was doing quick math. Thank
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you for catching me, because I'm usually pretty good at that.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, one twenty five, who cares? Who knows? Yeah,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: celebrit there.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Was one fifteen and one twenty five. I mean at
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: that point, it's not a big deal, you know. Yeah,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: here was just a.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Kid when that nursery opened up. Yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: So are you the third owner? Yeah?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Third Kate Sessions and ton of Chlly's And no, that's.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Not bad for one hundred and fifteen years three owners.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah you were little when your dad bought in er.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in kindergarten yeah about yeah, right around kindergarten exactly,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: a little snot running around exactly terrorizing the place.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: I have a feeling that you were a lot, like
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Sure I saw some picture what was it in the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: newsletter of you holding a plant when you were where
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Did I.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: See that picture of you of me and my dad?
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that at the nursery, and you were
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: holding some plan. You look almost like, why am I
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: here with his plant?
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Was this last week? Was this last week?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Anyway? So I guess we're caught up on the questions
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: common those on Facebook live. Keep them coming. We've got
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: kind of open phones right now with whatever you want
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to talk about.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: You know. I was, I was in a garden center.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I actually it was home Depot. I was in home
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Depot last week, and the thought looking at their roses
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: that are coming in, there used to be rose season
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: in southern California. Now they're all potted. I think, right, yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: do you still get beart?
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: We do not?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a hunters in like Spring Valley area.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: I think still gets bear root.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I think Niffings maybe does, but yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: I know Niffings used to. But anyway, I remember, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: know the roses coming in bear Root and they were
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: like six ninety nine for non patents and nine ninety
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: nine or twelve ninety nine for the new ones, and
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I'm looking thirty four ninety nine, yeah, thirty five dollars
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: for It's just I just can't get accustomed to new pricing.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: I guess, well, I think, I mean, it's just not
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: just not just the new pricing, but it's the new,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: the new, the new way of roses in the sense
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: of number one, I mean a lot of rose producers
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: have gone out of business, so you know, there's fewer,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: fewer companies doing it. But number two, they used to
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: just you know, plant them up in fields and then
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you know, harvest them like that, and that whole process
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: is just way more costly than it used to be,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: you know, in the sense of you know, it's it's
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: easier for us to can and grow and do it
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: that way than it is to plant them in a
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: field and grow it out. You know. That's why you know,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: the stone fruits we talked about, you know, with you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: the apricots and the apples and those, they field grow
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: those and then they dig them up and harvest them,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: and that whole process is more expensive nowadays than it
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: used to be compared to a ornamental nursery grower who
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: instantly drops it in a can grows it out. That's
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: a much easier process than the field grown now you know,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: where it used to be flipped used to be harder
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: to ornamentally grow plants.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: It's a good time of year to join your rocal
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: local rosse society and learn about about pruning roses because
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: everybody's giving seminars on pruning roses. I know, the San
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Diego ROAs Society has one coming up this week, I
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: think either this week or next week where they're going
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: to be demonstrating pruning. But most row societies are happy
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: to have you show up, and I think you're usually
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: invited to go in free, you know, for a few
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: meetings before you join. But even if you want to join,
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: they're usually like twenty dollars a year to join. And
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: it does support the roast societies and.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: You know, and they usually will support educational aspects of
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: of you know, growing roses, you know, or different scholarships
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: for people trying to get into horticulture or other programs
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: you know that support you know, saving roses. I mean
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of times you know, they'll give money back
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: to like places like Balboa Park or or the Quemaca
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Gardens where it promotes the whole horticultural.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: And we're going to take a break and when we
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: come back, we're going to answer Carla's next question here
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: on Garden America Facebook Live, Biz Talk Radio. And again,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: thank you for Pert alone keeping us on the air
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Beach and every year back after this message business, thank
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you for showing hand with her fatook book. All right,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: we are back. We've got two more segments. This is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: the longer of the two segments coming up, so still
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: plenty of time to get engaged and let us know
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: what's on your mind. Did you want to read it? John,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: since it was directed to you, Do you have the question?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Carlos says that the article that was in the newsletter
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: this week mentioned picking up fallen leaves in the garden
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: to prevent pass and she says she thought leaves were
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: good for mulch. Could you please clarify, Yeah, depends on
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: what kind of leaves, right, Tiger. For instance, if you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: have Magnolia's and Magnolia's are dropping leaves, they're a thicker,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: heavier leaf and it's easy for sowbugs, earwigs, snail get
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: in there yet to hide under those leaves. So those
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: you would rake.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: And they'll kill plants that are under it, because like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: you're saying, it's a big thick and if you leave
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it there, if you leave it there for three months,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: there's no light getting into the lower grass or plant.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it provides perfect conditions for some diseases to start.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: But if they're they're smaller deciduous leaves you know, like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Chinese elm or things like that, that are going to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: fall and filter down, those are fine. And that depends
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: on the part of the country too. If you have
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: a thick leaf layer, say covering a lawn, and then
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: you get snow on top of that, so you got
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: good blank oh plus the leaves, you know, then you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: know you can have diseases farming there and holding over
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: through until the winter. So that's why they rake the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: leaves in areas where they get a thick mulch cover.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: And also, you know, be aware of the plant that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: the leaves fell from, in the sense of you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of times they'll talk about roses and removing
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: that foliage, especially if it's been riddled with mildew and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: rust and stuff like that, because that could perpetuate the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: problem if you don't kind of clean up those leaves
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: and also if you throw those leaves in a mulch pile,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: there's a really good chance that you are not a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: professional multure and meaning you're not bringing that multpile temperature
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: up to you know, exactly where it kills all of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: that stuff. And you go and put that mulch back
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: out into your garden, you could then, you know, have
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: those volunteer plants shoot up, or those diseases and fungal
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: issues come back. So you got to be careful with that, John,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: are you a good mulcher?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: I have a lot of them, al and I get
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: mult you know, my son is in the tree trimming business,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: and so they run the branches and things through a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: chipper and I end up, you know, putting that everywhere.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: It helps suppress weeds for one thing. True, Yeah, but yeah,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: right now I have a hillside that I'm trying to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: get completely mulched, and in an area where Tiger is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: going to be doing some work, trying to clean that up, looking.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Aware of the work he's going to be doing.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's aware of the work that he was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: going to be doing.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Now, it's pretty much the same thing. The beds in
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: the back of my house are going to be some
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: formal rose beds and maybe a bed or two for vegetables,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: and that part's going to stay the same. But it's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: just like where we're going to put the irrigation, because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: I've started planning roses down where the trellises are below,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: and I want Tiger's opinion on where to put some
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: rose beds, whether I should put a bed there, just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: keep it a walkway, But I do need to get
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: irrigation for when I'm not there where everything can be watered.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Now, and then you know, with the whole mulch thing.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really interesting. I'm really intrigued to see
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: John's landscape evolve over the years. I mean, number one,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: it's going to be, you know, beautiful, just the way
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: he has everything all lined up and you know, laid out,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: and the different land selection. But number two is you know,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: he his house was built and they had to scrape,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: so the soil that he's working with was not very
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: good at all. But because of the luxury of having
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: you know, a sun in the tree business and having
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: all those multch drops, he's been able to add that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: element of organic material to areas real quick where most
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: people might not be able to do that, and it's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: making a huge impact on the overall landscape, in the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: health of the soil in you know, I mean it's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: really neat because I mean, you know, coming from the house,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: how long did you live in that other house in Fallbrook?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: Thirty years?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Where I mean you worked that landscape for thirty years,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: and you had molts and stuff, and when you probably
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: went out to dig a hole, you could dig a
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: hole where now you have to dynamite blast a hole.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Do you have granted?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Are you well? The hill right behind the house, every
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: rose on that hill was planted with the jackammer. Yeah,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: but and that was starting just two years ago, I think.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: And now I can go out there with a shovel
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: h plant something.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: And it's just because of that mulch and that element
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: of organic material.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I was wondering, do you think weeds had
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: a lot to do with that too?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: I think so, because they break up soil, right, and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: you know, they put their roots.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Through there, they put their they grow up through sidewalks.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they and they and even you know, and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: like what John I think is saying, like the root
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: growing into a rock or hard soil is breaking it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: up right, So yeah, any any plant material will We'll
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: I've had a good weed cover there for a couple
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: of years.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: We call that a cover crop, a cover crop john.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Native cover crap. Sometimes invasively.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's native, may not be.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: But you know, one thing I have noticed since we've
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: had virtually no rain and son going to happen. I mean,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: any on the horizon, no, I look two weeks a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: horizon that's clear, the sun is coming up.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what needs a huge rain, rain, rain.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: But because of that, I've noticed almost snow weeds compared
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: to past years, last year, last two years, Yeah, last
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: year with this time, where I would the grasses would
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: have been at least knee high right now, if not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: getting close to waist eye, and right now everything's still brown.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: And and isn't it a weird thing too?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I mean I've talked about this a number of times.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Where I have that flowering I think pair in my
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: front yard or something like that, it still.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Has leaves on it, you know, Oh they have an uldra.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: We're not getting that dorm because even forget about the rain,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: we don't have cold like we normally do either.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: You know, when I came to work today, the temperature
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: was thirty seven, So you can have some of my
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: cold if you want to.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it warms up the further south you get.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: It's not thirty seven here, yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Well further the further west, of course, yeah, because because yeah,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: we just we just haven't had that, you know, because normally,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: like you say, we'll have a rain and then it
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: clears up and that gets really cold, and and we
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: just haven't had that. So it's all the plants are.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I've got I think I've talked about this
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: before where I've just got customers and they're just frustrated
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: because the plants don't look good. And I was like,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: if it was raining and cold, I probably wouldn't even
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: be having this talk with you, right because you realize
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: why the plants don't look good, but because it's sunny
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: and warm and you're frustrated that your your rose is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: not blooming or it's got mildew on foldage.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: And I have roses that have not in the ground,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: that have not gone gone dorm in it at all.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Geez.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: I mean they're dark, rich, dark cree.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And mine don't look that good. But I think I've
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: got a green planet or two. That's just kind of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you want to what are you
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: waiting to do? What do you we can work this out?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: What do you want to catch it? You want to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: be a trim? What do you want?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: I kind of used to tell your kids, you just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: want to shout out on them, Hey go to bed?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: But you know the bigger part of this too, and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: it is happening we you know, a few years back
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: we talked about this is the all the fruit tree
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: growers in the Central Valley. This is really going to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: affect them because their their production won't be great. They
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: didn't you know, we talked about how fruit trees require
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: those chill hours and they're getting chill but not what
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: they normally would get. And then you know, if plants
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: don't get enough chill for fruit trees, sometimes your production
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: will go down.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: The following year, there's supposed to be another heavy rainy
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: season or not.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: What is a Londina? That's what they were saying, Laannina?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Is it dry.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: As well?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: California? Uh, you know, Northern California is still having a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: heavy rain season. Yeah, they have they've had bought two
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: atmospheric rivers right.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Now, right, and it's kind of come down all the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: way just right north of San Francisco, right, Yeah, that's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: like the farthest south. It's kind of come is like
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: the San Francisco San Jose area. Everything south of that has.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Been dry nothing.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah La Nina, I think is dry and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: now Nina is wet for us. So yeah, that's what
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: we're having.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we need some rain. We need some rain definitely, definitely.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Never hurts.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: I wonder if we had people near us change their
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: water districts, and I think we stayed in the Rainbow
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: Water district. And because people a little further south of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: me and and towards the coast are paying seems like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: fifty sixty percent more And wow, yeah, I know we
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: like I mentioned earlier, I just can't get adjusted to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: new prices.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've read your FDG email last month.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Was I think ten bucks.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Because you have solar? Yeah, welcome to the four hundred
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: dollars club?
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  Speaker 2: few questions, comments, and whatever else is on your mind.
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  Speaker 4: I see our friend jan and Brentwood in the Bay
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  Speaker 4: areas mentioning that a lot of her roses are still blooming.
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  Speaker 4: And she sent me an email this week and told
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  Speaker 4: me about a new nursery that she was getting some
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  Speaker 4: roses from. I'm not going to mention it on air,
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  Speaker 4: but for some reasons that I won't mention it. Also
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  Speaker 4: won't mention it on air. But it's really neat because
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  Speaker 4: there are roses that haven't up till now, haven't been
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  Speaker 4: in this country. Oh cool, and it's always yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: always cool to to get something new.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why you know what my filter is working today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you didn't make a comment, not at all.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember how long ago was it that we
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  Speaker 4: did the little demonstration here about rooting rose cuttings? In
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  Speaker 4: the little a month or so. Do you remember the
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  Speaker 4: one cutting I made right there and said, okay, and
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  Speaker 4: then you just put it in there. Okay that rose
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  Speaker 4: is rooted and now growing outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: Really yeah, a month ago in the middle of winter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this should have taken a still shot
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  Speaker 2: and then now you take see a picture of it.
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Can you put them side by side in the newsletter?
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  Speaker 3: Can you get your acting good? Take a still shot
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  Speaker 3: and do a video?
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  Speaker 2: Well, at least sometimes I still shot.
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  Speaker 3: I love that you're still telling John to do this
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  Speaker 3: when we know that's not in his wheelhouse at all.
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  Speaker 4: But I can provide you the mature you guys, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: If that would have been you know, good, here in
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  Speaker 2: the studio, here's what I'm doing, and then what a
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  Speaker 2: month later, here's what it. Here's how it turned out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what would have been good. John would
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  Speaker 3: have been good.
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  Speaker 2: You blew it?
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  Speaker 7: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Come on?
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  Speaker 4: What's the January's the time of year?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: You know, we were talking earlier about one of the
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  Speaker 4: big box stores, and I won't pick on because every
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  Speaker 4: big box store is the same. Yeah, I went in
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  Speaker 4: this we're talking about the San Diego area anyway. You
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  Speaker 4: you can go in and you can see they are
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  Speaker 4: selling plants that have as close to zero percent chance
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  Speaker 4: of growing as you could imagine, you know, like green
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  Speaker 4: peppers and squash and basil.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're their Their vegetable racks are fully loaded the
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  Speaker 3: day of every vegetable on that rack, right, And it's just.
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  Speaker 4: No reason to.
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  Speaker 1: To me.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe things are changed because they've been out of
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  Speaker 4: retail for a long time, but but I always felt
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  Speaker 4: as a retailer, if you put something on the shelf,
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  Speaker 4: you were subconsciously telling your customers now the time to
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  Speaker 4: plant this. And and you know here they are either
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  Speaker 4: either knowingly or unknowingly. If it's unknowingly, shame on them. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: they they should know better. They know they're working a
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  Speaker 4: numbers game there for sure. You know how many people
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  Speaker 4: are not experienced gardeners are going to go in, buy something,
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  Speaker 4: take it home, it dies, and then their thought is
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  Speaker 4: going to be I just can't grow that.
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  Speaker 2: I would say a lot of experienced, unexperienced gardeners, I
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  Speaker 2: should say, shop at those big box stores because they're
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  Speaker 2: in there for something else to begin with. Perhaps, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: let's go out to the garden center. See what. Oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: this is nice. Let's buy way.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they might subscribe to the School of hard
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  Speaker 4: knocks learning. You know, try to plant this, you'll learn.
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  Speaker 4: Now's not the time to do.
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  Speaker 2: Diane's got a question, she said, speaking of roses. I
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  Speaker 2: trimmed mine back a bit earlier and was waiting until
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  Speaker 2: January to cut back, and now they're starting to bloom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the Redding area. Can I still cut back?
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  Speaker 2: They are growing too wide?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Diane, you can go ahead and cut them back now.
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  Speaker 2: And that we've talked about it before.
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  Speaker 3: It's always a decision that you kind of just have
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  Speaker 3: to make because sometimes they are growing and they all
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  Speaker 3: have flowers on them, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Just have to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes the only way you get them to go dormant.
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  Speaker 2: Is to cut them back. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've noticed that some of the older garden roses,
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  Speaker 4: like moss roses, maybe some of the hybrid perpetuals are
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  Speaker 4: more I guess, more prone to dormancy. And even though
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  Speaker 4: the weather hasn't been cold, for roses that have more
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  Speaker 4: of a tea background in them, they have more of
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  Speaker 4: a European background, and they are losing their leaves right
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  Speaker 4: away and just sitting there growing. But the tea roses,
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  Speaker 4: which came from China and warmer climates, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they continue to grow all through the season where the
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  Speaker 4: weather's warm and you know, I've got full blooms and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of them are there?
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  Speaker 3: Are there evergreen roses like they just they are known
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  Speaker 3: to keep their leaves year round, no matter like like
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  Speaker 3: like where they're needed, like you said China, like they're
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  Speaker 3: warmer climates, you know, do they keep their leaves you
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  Speaker 3: around there?
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's a species of rose called Rosa sempervirons, and
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  Speaker 4: semper virons is Latin for.
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  Speaker 2: Are always screen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, there are roses and Rosa gigantia the
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  Speaker 4: same thing you know from warmer climates. They're gonna they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna hold their leaves longer.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Okay, so so really.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna be larger growing plaints too, since they're adapted
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  Speaker 4: to growing year round.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's uh. I remember the nursery people would always come
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  Speaker 4: in for hedge plants and they'd say, I want something
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  Speaker 4: fast growing to six feet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah of course and then stop.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, say yeah, get this plan here. It grows,
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  Speaker 4: grows overnight to six feet.
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  Speaker 3: It stops, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It used to be a product that never caught on
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  Speaker 4: called before Miracle Grow, the number one uh fertilizer was
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  Speaker 4: rapid Growth, okay, and then Miracle Road took over their place,
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  Speaker 4: but they came out with the product around the same
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  Speaker 4: time called slow Grow, which you would spray on a
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  Speaker 4: plant and it would slow growth down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wondered the long one hug. That's detrimental
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  Speaker 2: to that plant for you.
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  Speaker 4: You know there's bone side that lived for hundreds of years. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're there.
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  Speaker 2: That's a proven process.
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  Speaker 3: But no, but growers, you know, growers use what do
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  Speaker 3: they call them in the industry, John, where the growth hormones? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Where they where they They spray the plant and the
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  Speaker 3: plant does stop growing. Because we don't want it to
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  Speaker 3: stretch or any hate to do this.
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  Speaker 2: We have to go.
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  Speaker 3: We're just in the middle of it.
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