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Faith Over Fear - Does it Feel Like You Can't Hear God? Practical Steps to Increase Spiritual Sensitivity · KFM On Demand

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: He says, God will make a move and then you
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  Speaker 2: make a move. And he said, God will never move
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  Speaker 2: out of turn and he will never take your turn.
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  Speaker 2: So it's yours to discern whose move it is.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Faith Over Fear podcast, where we discuss
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  Speaker 3: powerful truths to quiet anxiety and fear, big and small.
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  Speaker 3: I'm your host, Jennifer Slattery, and today's conversation came from
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  Speaker 3: a concern shared by some of you. In episodes, I
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  Speaker 3: often emphasize God's role in our healing journey, which I
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  Speaker 3: still view as incredibly important, but I also recognize how
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  Speaker 3: this has caused some of you anxiety. especially those of
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  Speaker 3: you who feel like you can't hear God, like he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't speak to you or who feel unable to recognize
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  Speaker 3: his voice. And first, I want to say I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I've been there and at times I still land in
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  Speaker 3: that place. It totally sucks on so many levels. And
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  Speaker 3: today I've invited a woman I greatly admire, Susie Larson,
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  Speaker 3: on to discuss that hard, uncomfortable space of longing to
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  Speaker 3: hear from God, but feeling like we can't or we
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  Speaker 3: don't or like maybe we're doing something wrong. Susie, thank
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  Speaker 3: you so much for joining us. Great to be back
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  Speaker 3: with you. Thanks for having me. Susie Larson is a
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  Speaker 3: talk radio host and podcaster with over 17 million downloads,
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  Speaker 3: national speaker and bestselling author. Through her writing and broadcast ministry,
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  Speaker 3: she helps people live with greater freedom, faith and courage,
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  Speaker 3: grounded in biblical truth and God's power to heal, restore
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  Speaker 3: and redeem. Amen. Susie, I know from having heard you speak,
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  Speaker 3: and also reading some of your work, I know you
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  Speaker 3: have a thriving relationship with the Lord and receive a
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  Speaker 3: great deal of healing and comfort from that. But I wonder,
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  Speaker 3: has that always been the case? Can you take us
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  Speaker 3: to a time when you were really desperate for God's answer?
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, I'm just not sure if I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: what I need right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 2: I told you before the show, it's like I have
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  Speaker 2: to pick one. Like, which story should I pick? Because
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  Speaker 2: I've been there so many times. But what comes to
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  Speaker 2: me right now is the time. So I was a
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  Speaker 2: young new mom with three little kids battling Lyme disease. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was still new enough in my faith.
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  Speaker 2: I had come to Christ in eighth grade, but I
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  Speaker 2: was still, I mean, I was just, my faith was
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  Speaker 2: still just barely being formed as a young adult, young wife,
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  Speaker 2: young mom. So much I didn't know. But what I
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  Speaker 2: did know is my friends had health and wealth and
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  Speaker 2: I had neither. And I really didn't know enough to
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  Speaker 2: know that God's no respecter of persons. Like I wondered,
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  Speaker 2: am I a have not? Did you lose my address?
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  Speaker 2: Did you change your mind about me? Did I miss
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  Speaker 2: a step? Because I mean, I had people say to me,
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  Speaker 2: a loving God would not allow this many hard things
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  Speaker 2: to happen to one family unless you're hiding sin. They
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  Speaker 2: said that unless you're hiding sin. So if you want
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  Speaker 2: all this to go away, you better come clean. And
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  Speaker 2: I was so broken that I'm like, well, do you
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  Speaker 2: see something? Cause I, I mean, I'm trying to walk
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  Speaker 2: before the, I mean, I was like, if you see something,
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  Speaker 2: tell me, you know, but it was devastating to me
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  Speaker 2: to be in that season. We came into our marriage
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  Speaker 2: with good credit. We just, we had okay jobs for
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  Speaker 2: young 20 somethings and everything upended. I mean, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: our medical debt was higher than our income. And so
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  Speaker 2: we had bill collectors calling, which is humiliating. It just
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  Speaker 2: was like a dry and weary land where there was
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  Speaker 2: no water. And the heavens seemed silent. And I'd come
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  Speaker 2: into the marriage with a very passionate pursuit of God
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  Speaker 2: every morning in the Word, every morning journaling and and
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  Speaker 2: hearing little impressions and things from God. And so my
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  Speaker 2: relationship with him was first and foremost. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: people would have defined me, they would have said she
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  Speaker 2: is a passionate pursuer of God. So to land in
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  Speaker 2: that season where our finances have dried up, my friends
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  Speaker 2: were drying up because they were, tired of the chronicity
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  Speaker 2: of our trials, which I don't blame them. I was
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  Speaker 2: tired of it. If I could have escaped my story,
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  Speaker 2: I would have too. But every night I'd beg God
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  Speaker 2: to heal me every night. And it was like, my
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  Speaker 2: words would fall, bounce off the ceiling and fall back
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  Speaker 2: down on me.
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  Speaker 1: And there was just nothing. It was crickets.
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, did I
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  Speaker 2: miss a step? Is there some hidden sin that I'm
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  Speaker 2: blind to? And I just prayed again, Lord, if you're
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  Speaker 2: willing to listen to me, if not for me, for
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  Speaker 2: these little boys who need their mother, would you please
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  Speaker 2: heal me? And the Lord thundered in my heart, not audibly,
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  Speaker 2: but he thundered. And it was him because it surprised me.
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  Speaker 2: And it was such brilliant wisdom.
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  Speaker 1: He said, Susie.
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  Speaker 2: If I healed you, would you praise me? And I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: till the cows come home, you wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 2: shut me up. I mean, I would tell everyone. And
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  Speaker 2: then he thundered again.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Would you praise me because I sent my one and
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  Speaker 2: only son to die for you so that you could
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  Speaker 2: live forever with me or simply because you got your way?
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  Speaker 2: And in a moment, Jennifer, my life passed before my
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  Speaker 2: very eyes. And I realized how transactional my relationship with
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  Speaker 2: God had been. Like he was a means to an end.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all I knew was I had so many
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  Speaker 2: needs and he was the solution. As young Christians, that
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  Speaker 2: is how things start because you don't fully understand unless
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  Speaker 2: you're just completely baptized in his love and then God,
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  Speaker 2: you know, teaches you things way ahead of your time.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw on my best days, it was earning.
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  Speaker 2: On my worst days, I was hiding. And it was
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  Speaker 2: filthy rags, just like the scripture says. And instead of
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  Speaker 2: wanting out of that crisis, I wanted to be right
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  Speaker 2: with God. I literally rolled out of bed. I tore
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  Speaker 2: my shirt. I had boxers and a t-shirt. That's what
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  Speaker 2: my jammies were at the time. I tore my t-shirt
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  Speaker 2: just in repentance and grief. And I got face down.
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  Speaker 2: I said, God, if you never heal me, I will
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  Speaker 2: hate it, but I love you. And you've been my savior.
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  Speaker 2: You are my Lord. I'm going to follow you on
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  Speaker 2: your terms, not mine. And the Lord gave me, I
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  Speaker 2: got my journal out and wrote this poem. If it's okay,
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  Speaker 2: if I share it, because it really was, it was
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  Speaker 2: an equalizing moment and it changed the way that I
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  Speaker 2: walk with God. And it goes, I hope I can remember,
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  Speaker 2: it goes something like this. I've walked through many storms.
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  Speaker 2: My prayers were filled with tears. The enemy was so big,
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  Speaker 2: confirming all my fears. To a distant God, I would
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  Speaker 2: ever cry. Just wanting an answer, always asking why. Yet
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  Speaker 2: heard I not from him, nor his angels singing. It
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  Speaker 2: was all that I could do, his robe to keep
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  Speaker 2: on clinging. Then suddenly one night I beckoned him to be.
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  Speaker 2: So real that I could feel him. He finally spoke
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  Speaker 2: to me. Said he, my daughter Susie, I love you
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  Speaker 2: with my life. No more would I ever hurt you
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  Speaker 2: than be the cause of your strife. You see, it's
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  Speaker 2: not my hand that's delivered all this pain, but it's
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  Speaker 2: true my hand is there to hold yours in the rain.
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  Speaker 2: It's something how men see me according to their need.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of praise and faith, they ask and beg and plead.
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  Speaker 2: I am a God who doesn't change with time nor
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  Speaker 2: change I with the season. I don't have to explain
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  Speaker 2: myself nor give you detailed reasons. I've given all that
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  Speaker 2: I could give when I gave to you my son.
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  Speaker 2: I emptied out myself for you as if you were
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  Speaker 2: the only one. But what I do, I do for
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  Speaker 2: you because I want you to grow. It's in faith, praise,
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  Speaker 2: and trust where you'll find you are strong when demands
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  Speaker 2: are replaced by a faith-filled praise song. It is there
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  Speaker 2: you'll find peace where there once was strife, and it'll
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  Speaker 2: be just enough to have me in your life. And
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  Speaker 2: I can't explain it, but that was this moment of
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  Speaker 2: reckoning for me because I was pounding on his chest.
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  Speaker 2: And hear me now, God will take you. If you're lamenting,
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  Speaker 2: you're crying out, he will take you. Just don't turn
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  Speaker 2: away from him. Wrestle within the embrace of him. But
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  Speaker 2: I just was so hurt, so disappointed, and I couldn't understand.
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  Speaker 2: And when he spoke to my heart like that, it
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  Speaker 2: was like some of the encounters you see in scripture
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  Speaker 2: where men go face down. I saw him as the
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  Speaker 2: holy God that he is. the worm that I am.
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  Speaker 2: And I realized, wow, his mercy is so much greater
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  Speaker 2: than I know, his patience, his kindness, and he's up.
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  Speaker 1: To something good.
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  Speaker 2: That was a hard moment, but a very important one
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  Speaker 2: and really changed how I walked.
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  Speaker 1: With God after that. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much I want to, first of all, that poem,
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  Speaker 3: that was powerful.
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  Speaker 1: That was beautiful. Holy Spirit, powerful.
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  Speaker 3: When you begin, I was thinking of a lot of
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  Speaker 3: our listeners, they've come from religious abuse. They've come from trauma.
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  Speaker 3: They have, a lot of them have chronic illness. So
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  Speaker 3: what you said, I think really resonates. And I hear
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  Speaker 3: that from people, this idea where sometimes in Christendom, we
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  Speaker 3: received the message. We don't recognize it's prosperity gospel, but
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  Speaker 3: we received the message again and again, You're doing something wrong.
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  Speaker 3: So figure it out so that you can have a
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  Speaker 3: relationship with Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: And it's cruel theology. I mean, A plus B does
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  Speaker 2: not always equal C. And that has so infiltrated the
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  Speaker 2: narrative that what happens when A plus B, when the
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  Speaker 2: formula doesn't work, what happens?
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: You're judged for your pain instead of Jesus led with compassion.
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  Speaker 2: He saw the crowds and led with compassion. And do
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  Speaker 2: you think some of those people in that crowd maybe
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  Speaker 2: got themselves into trouble?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And he's still led with compassion. A good father brings
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  Speaker 2: correction as well. There's times we need it. But the
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  Speaker 2: idea of A plus, like you're guaranteed this is the
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  Speaker 2: formula to a good life. I mean, how many godly
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  Speaker 2: parents have prodigal children? I mean, God's the best father
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  Speaker 2: there was, and he's got prodigal children. How many people
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  Speaker 2: ate right, did right, and still got sick? And so
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  Speaker 2: when we are in this place where I can control
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  Speaker 2: my destiny, And if you're suffering, it's your fault is
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  Speaker 2: opposite of what the Lord wants from us and for
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  Speaker 2: us in community.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing, two other things that I thought
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  Speaker 3: of as you were sharing your story and then as
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  Speaker 3: you were just talking right now, when I hear your story, really,
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  Speaker 3: those people just did not have emotional capacity. No.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't about you.
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  Speaker 3: It was about their discomfort. with their own emotional, spiritual
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  Speaker 3: bypassing and numbing. I feel like sometimes that can be
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  Speaker 3: helpful to recognize that. And then when you talked about, there's.
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  Speaker 1: So much Susie, wow.
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  Speaker 3: When you talked about him thundering in your heart and
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  Speaker 3: I just got this idea of, I know for some
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  Speaker 3: of our listeners, they get stuck in this spiral in
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  Speaker 3: their thoughts. And I think that just complicates being able
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  Speaker 3: to hear from God. And so I love how he
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  Speaker 3: didn't do it right away. It sounds like he had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of wrestling. And I think that's important maybe
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  Speaker 3: for us to discuss as well. But that he found
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  Speaker 3: a way to break through. That was his work for you.
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  Speaker 3: And then when I heard you talk about, really, it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like he flip the switch to relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's like, yes, I see your needs.
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  Speaker 3: These are valid and I want to hear them, but
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  Speaker 3: there's something deeper I need you to connect with.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that's accurate? 100%.
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  Speaker 2: And I would like to back that up with Psalm 103.
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  Speaker 2: I've prayed through the first five verses for years on
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  Speaker 2: a regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: Bless the Lord, O my soul. Bless the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not his benefits.
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  Speaker 2: He forgives all my sins, heals all my diseases, ransoms
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  Speaker 2: my life from the pit, crowns me with loving compassion,
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  Speaker 2: satisfies my desires with good things.
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  Speaker 1: And my youth is renewed like the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of verses later, it says he revealed his
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  Speaker 2: deeds to the people of Israel, but his.
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  Speaker 1: Character to Moses.
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  Speaker 2: And it's almost like the psalmist is saying they never
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  Speaker 2: got past transaction, but Moses went from God's hand to
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  Speaker 2: his heart.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know you God.
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  Speaker 2: And so the Lord met with Moses face to face
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  Speaker 2: is with the friend. And it's like the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the psalm is almost saying, if you want to know
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  Speaker 2: his heart, keep reading because then it goes on to
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  Speaker 2: say what God is like, slow to anger, abounding in love.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't punish us as our sins deserve. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: as far as the East is from the West, he
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  Speaker 2: removes our sins from us. And I think if you
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  Speaker 2: have a hard time hearing from God, immerse yourself in
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  Speaker 2: that Psalm and get to know what God is like,
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  Speaker 2: because they lead the heavens poor for speech. God is
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  Speaker 2: always speaking. You will go through silent seasons. And I
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  Speaker 2: wrote a book about that. And what do you do
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  Speaker 2: about that? And if you can't hear what he's saying,
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  Speaker 2: remember what he has said. Because he said some things
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  Speaker 2: and the silent seasons, they teach us and train us
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  Speaker 2: some things. But there are times where it's unnecessarily silent
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  Speaker 2: because you got too much noise in your life. You're
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  Speaker 2: listening to too many voices. You're scrolling and eating and
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  Speaker 2: drinking and all this stuff because you're numbing your pain.
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  Speaker 2: And I would say when you numb your pain, you're
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  Speaker 2: also not going to feel your spiritual hunger. And I
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  Speaker 2: think far too many, Jennifer, feel like God is holding
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  Speaker 2: out on them when really they're holding out on God.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a shunning, shaming way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying been there, done that. But I'm saying if
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  Speaker 2: you clear the playing field a little bit, if you
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  Speaker 2: maybe quit the indulgences that are numbing you and weakening
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  Speaker 2: you and keep coming back going, I'm drawn near to you, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: because you said if I draw near, you will draw near.
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  Speaker 2: You said the heavens speak. You said my sheep hear
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  Speaker 2: me and they know my voice. I'm camping in your presence.
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  Speaker 2: I need a word from you and be willing to
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  Speaker 2: make space and open up the word. And I would
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  Speaker 2: say spend time in Psalm 103 because when you get
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  Speaker 2: to know what God is like, you will discern when
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  Speaker 2: a voice comes, is that God or is that the
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  Speaker 2: enemy or is that my own flesh?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's some powerful, powerful things to think about. We
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  Speaker 3: are actually going to take a break to listen to
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  Speaker 3: our sponsors. When we get back, you touched on something
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  Speaker 3: important I would like us to discuss, kind of the
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  Speaker 3: balance between we absolutely need scripture, but a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people might say that's the only way God speaks to us.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd like you to address that when we return.
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  Speaker 1: All right. And we're back.
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  Speaker 3: So Susie, I'm sure you've heard this before. People like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I remember there was one Christian communicator maybe 10 years
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  Speaker 3: ago that was just slammed because she would share her
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  Speaker 3: interactive relationship with the Lord a little more publicly. And
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  Speaker 3: the narrative that I think muddles everything was that God
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  Speaker 3: only speaks through scripture. So can you talk about that
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  Speaker 3: balance between needing to immerse ourselves in scripture like you emphasized,
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  Speaker 3: but also being open for maybe more creative interactions?
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  Speaker 2: Boy, you know, he's the same God yesterday, today and forever.
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  Speaker 2: And he spoke very creatively in all various sorts of
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  Speaker 2: ways in scripture. And that idea that he only speaks
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  Speaker 2: in scripture is a theology of thought that I just
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  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly disagree with. So we'll have to just agree to
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  Speaker 2: disagree whoever stands on that, you know. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to live with that, you can. I've seen too much.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard too much. You'll never, ever convince me that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't impress upon our hearts. I mean, there have
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  Speaker 2: been times where God has spoken to my heart and said,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't going to turn out the way you thought.
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  Speaker 2: I just want you to know I'm with you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to take care of you. And the next day
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  Speaker 2: it didn't turn out the way I thought. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I remember we live in Minnesota and the 35W bridge
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  Speaker 2: crashed down.
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  Speaker 1: You know, into the river.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember hearing a story of two young men
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  Speaker 2: who were on a worship team heading to the same church,
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  Speaker 2: taking different routes. Both of them were late for worship
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  Speaker 2: because both of them felt led by the Lord, take
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  Speaker 2: a different route, even though it's going to make you late.
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  Speaker 2: They took a different route, got to church, only to
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  Speaker 2: find out that the bridge had collapsed. There are a
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  Speaker 2: gazillion stories of people getting a prompting from the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, it's like what you
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  Speaker 2: look for, you'll find. And so, but you know what?
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  Speaker 2: The word of God is living and active. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're just looking to the word and Enjoy it because
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  Speaker 2: the word is living and active, but I won't stop
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  Speaker 2: there because the spirit of God is alive in me.
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  Speaker 2: And the scripture says he confides in those who fear him.
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah 33 says, call.
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  Speaker 2: On me and I will answer you and tell you
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  Speaker 2: great and mighty things that you do not know about the.
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  Speaker 1: Times to come. I want to say it's Deuteronomy 29, 29.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is.
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  Speaker 2: It says the secret things belong to the Lord, but
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  Speaker 2: the things he reveals to us belong to us and
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  Speaker 2: to our children forever. Like there are treasures to mine.
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  Speaker 2: of things that God wants to reveal, but we can
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  Speaker 2: take it to an extreme. And I write about that
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  Speaker 2: in my book where when you have people say, God
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  Speaker 2: told me, God told me, and they are the authority
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  Speaker 2: and the corner on.
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  Speaker 1: God told them. I'm cautious with that. And some are abusers.
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  Speaker 3: Like some of our listeners have had that abuse told
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  Speaker 3: that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a story in the book about a friend
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  Speaker 2: of mine who endured that. And I too have had
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  Speaker 2: people say horrendous things to me as if they're.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking for God.
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  Speaker 2: But Old Testament, you look at how many times people
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  Speaker 2: put as surely as the Lord lives, either at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning or the end of their sentence, either before they
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: did something really stupid or after they did something like that,
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  Speaker 2: as if tacking as surely as the Lord lives endorses
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  Speaker 2: what they've done somehow. So even in the New Testament,
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  Speaker 2: you've got Jesus walking with the disciples and he says,
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  Speaker 2: who do people say that I am? And just my
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: little side note, he wasn't insecure or having an identity
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: crisis like, am I coming on too strong? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think people like me? He was using it as a
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  Speaker 2: teaching moment. And Peter was walking on his heels, staying
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  Speaker 2: so close. He was walking with the Lord. And he said,
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  Speaker 2: you are the Messiah, the son of the living God.
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  Speaker 2: And it so stopped Jesus in his tracks. He turned
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  Speaker 2: around and said, Peter, you did not come up with
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  Speaker 2: this on your own. The God of heaven has revealed
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  Speaker 2: this to you. But minutes later, when Jesus starts talking
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  Speaker 2: about Jerusalem, that he's got to suffer and die.
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  Speaker 1: Who is it?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: It's Peter that runs ahead, stops him and says, no,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: it'll never be Lord. He says, get behind me, Satan. Well,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: how do you go from a divine revelation to a
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  Speaker 2: devilish one in moments?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Well, fear.
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  Speaker 2: And so just because maybe you've had some credibility with
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  Speaker 2: someone at some point, it doesn't mean they're always right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean they're always going to be
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  Speaker 2: spot on. We have to own our faith. We've got
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to cultivate a life that listens to what the Holy
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Spirit is saying. And sometimes the way he talks is
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: an inner wince. If you have Christ in you, you
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: should be bothered by your sin. And if you're not,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I would question if you really did have an experiential
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: faith transaction with God where you're like, I'm trusting Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you bend the knee to Jesus and you
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: trust him, his payment for your sin, his spirit takes
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  Speaker 2: up residence in your soul. And let's say you watch
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  Speaker 2: a movie that you've watched a hundred times before and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: suddenly you're like, that's not that funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Your tastes change or you feel this little inner wince
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  Speaker 2: and that's course correction. That's the Lord speaking to you.
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  Speaker 2: It's not always with words, but it's impressions and it's
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  Speaker 2: a knowing. I'm walking in a different way now. I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: think it's just like one of the greatest privileges of
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  Speaker 2: our life. If you're the only one talking in the
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  Speaker 2: conversation with you and God, you're missing the best parts
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually feel really strongly right now that some
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  Speaker 3: people listening have not taken that step. And so I
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  Speaker 3: believe God speaks to everybody, all humanity. He's always drawing us.
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  Speaker 3: But there is a special ability to hear, to communicate
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  Speaker 3: with the Holy Spirit when we've chosen to align our
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: lives with him. So would you mind for those right
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  Speaker 3: now who are like, I've never actually taken that step,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: but I'm wanting what I hear Susie has.
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  Speaker 1: Would you mind presenting that?
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  Speaker 3: The way to salvation and intimacy with God for those listeners. Great.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to do that. The thing is, you can't
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  Speaker 2: jump high enough to save yourself. So love came down
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  Speaker 2: to set you free. When you hear someone say, I
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  Speaker 2: think I'll be in heaven. I try to live a
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  Speaker 2: good life. They don't know what they're talking about. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: they mean well, but they don't know because you have
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  Speaker 2: to have had a sinless life. Because eternity, heaven is
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  Speaker 2: a pure, spotless place for pure and spotless people. The
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  Speaker 2: only person who walked this earth in a pure and
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  Speaker 2: spotless way is the Lamb of God.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jesus himself.
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  Speaker 2: And the Bible says, for God so loved the world
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  Speaker 2: that he gave his one and only begotten son that
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  Speaker 2: whoever would believe in him will not perish, but have
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  Speaker 2: everlasting life. So you have to get to a point
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  Speaker 2: where you go, I'm a sinner.
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  Speaker 1: I need a savior.
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  Speaker 2: Some people break it down like this, A, B, and C. A,
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  Speaker 2: I acknowledge I'm a sinner. B, I believe that the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Lord Jesus came, he lived and he died and he
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: rose again. He died on the cross for my sins
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and was resurrected on the third day. And C, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: confess him as Lord. I mean, really, and it's not
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a formulaic prayer because you can check the box and
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  Speaker 2: not have anything happen if you don't mean it. You
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: literally have to come to a place of sincerity to say,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: not only do I want my eternity secure, I want
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  Speaker 2: to know that if I die tomorrow, I wake up
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and I see Jesus face to face, I want to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: walk in his presence as I live here on earth.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, one of my guests said, I don't remember
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: which one, but they said, if you can imagine a
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: heaven without Jesus, you're probably not going to be there. Because,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus is everything. The Father is everything. The
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Spirit is everything. And another analogy, picture this huge chasm.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: On this side of the chasm, you're a spiritual orphan.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: In your eternity, if you reject what Jesus did for
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  Speaker 2: your sin, there will be hell to pay. there will
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: be a day of account where you face God because
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the cure came. You had a terminal illness and the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: cure came to earth and you can opt out to say, nope,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: I reject it.
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  Speaker 2: In which case there will be a judgment day when
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  Speaker 2: there will be health to pay. And then you will
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  Speaker 2: live eternally separated from God. And you picture this chasm.
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  Speaker 2: When you trust Jesus, he literally, the scripture says, transfers
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  Speaker 2: you out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom
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  Speaker 2: of his dear son. And suddenly you, You go from
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  Speaker 2: spiritual orphan to spiritual heir. You're grafted into the family.
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  Speaker 2: You're grafted into the royal family. You become a citizen
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: of heaven, a citizen of the kingdom. And no one
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: can snatch you out of God's hands. No one can
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: gossip enough about you to make God change his mind
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: about you. You get a place at the table of
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  Speaker 2: grace because of grace. And so another passage, Ephesians 2, 8, 9,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: for by grace, you've been saved. through faith, not of yourself.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: It's a gift of God, not a result of works
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: or anything you do. So no one can brag about
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: being saved. If you ever see someone who's prideful because
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  Speaker 2: their eternity is secure, I would question if their eternity
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: is secure because we're beggars, we were orphans and we
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  Speaker 2: trusted Jesus and he put us at the royal table.
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  Speaker 2: And there are gonna be days you forget who you are.
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  Speaker 2: There's gonna be days you act in ways that are
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  Speaker 2: beneath you. And thank God he doesn't yank you from
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  Speaker 2: your place at the table.
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  Speaker 1: When you have air amnesia, he just course corrects.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: He just brings you back to himself and he leads
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  Speaker 2: you with love and purpose and power. This will, if
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you're hearing this, do not neglect the voice of the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Lord speaking to you because today is the day of salvation.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I spoke at a retreat years ago and I got
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a letter two weeks later and these women wrote me
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: this letter who said that it was like an aunt
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and a sister and a friend had prayed this girl
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: into this retreat. She kind of went kicking and screaming.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: but her heart was moved by the messages. At the end,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I presented the gospel. She sincerely gave her life to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the Lord. Two weeks later was killed in a car accident.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know how many days you have left.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Jesus could come at any time. And he wants a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: bride living, expectant and ready for his return. If you
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: receive him today, the spirit of God, literally there will
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  Speaker 2: be a supernatural transaction. You're moved into the kingdom. His
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: spirit takes up residence in your soul. Then I would say,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: start reading the Bible ferociously. Get into a Bible-believing church.
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  Speaker 2: Activate your prayer life and bend an ear and listen
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: for his voice and just cultivate intimacy with God. Your
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Christianity isn't a bunch of committees and a bunch of activity.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Your Christianity is living loved, living in intimacy with God,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and then just doing the things he tells you to do.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, when you receive him, you will
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: have purpose. You got breath in your lungs, there's purpose
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: in your steps until he returns. And it'll change everything
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: for you. You suddenly, it's almost like a civilian who
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: joins the armed forces. Well, now if someone comes against
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that person, they come against all the armed forces. They
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: got the weight of the armed forces in their defense.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's that and better because you're a citizen of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: heavenly kingdom. So I pray with all my heart. Let's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: just pray right now. If you're ready, let's pray. Dear Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: I am a sinner and I need a savior. I confess,
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  Speaker 2: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: That you were Lord.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that you came to earth and lived a
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  Speaker 2: sinless life and you died a brutal death on the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: cross for my sin. I believe that your death on
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the cross paid for my sin, but then you rose again.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And the Bible said, you made a public spectacle of
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  Speaker 2: the powers that oppose me. You rose again so that
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  Speaker 2: I could be free. So I acknowledge that I'm a sinner.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I believe that you are Lord and I confess you
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  Speaker 2: as my Lord. Come into my life. Be my Lord
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and Savior. Forgive me of my sins. Cleanse me of
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  Speaker 2: all unrighteousness.
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  Speaker 1: Heal my soul.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Make me whole and fill me with your Holy Spirit.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lord, that I'm saved. I am an heir
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and I will walk in your presence as I live
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  Speaker 2: here on earth. I will live expectant for your return.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And when I see you face to face, I will
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: be like you, for I will see you as you are.
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  Speaker 1: My eternity is secure in Jesus name. Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Amen. Well, we need to take another break, which is
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: actually perfect timing for listeners. You can reflect on what
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Susie said and really sit in. If you said that
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: prayer with her right now, I encourage you to reach
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: out to me through my website, through social media, reach
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: out to somebody that can walk beside you in that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: When we return, Susie, I want to circle back to
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: that wrestling season when you weren't hearing God, because I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: interested to know what God does, his work in our
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: soul to kind of remove the barriers that make it
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: hard to hear him. So we'll be back in just
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a minute.
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  Speaker 1: We're back.
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  Speaker 3: And as you were talking about the wrestling before, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: what I perceived from that as a season of where
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you didn't, whether you heard him or didn't know if
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you heard him or not, So I'm wondering, what does
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: God do in our souls through that wrestling to maybe
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: remove barriers we don't know that are hindering our ability
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  Speaker 3: to hear him? You know, when you walk through these
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: silent seasons, I think I would do the work to
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: make sure there's nothing that you're doing to hinder your
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: own ability to hear him. And don't hear me say
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that like your suffering is your fault or your silent
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: season is your fault. But in Psalm 139, it says,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Search me, O God, and know my heart. Test me
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and know my anxious thoughts. Point out anything in me
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: that offends you and lead me in your everlasting way.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I've heard so many stories of people saying they thought
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: they were in a dark night of the soul where,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you know, God wasn't speaking. But when they prayed that prayer,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the Lord showed them you're holding bitterness against so-and-so. You
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: need to forgive so-and-so. Or I've asked you to obey
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: me a month ago and you've been ignoring me.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: There's a book.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It's called Christ the Healer. And it's a hundred years old,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: but it's still, I've read a lot of books on healing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: To me, it's the most biblical book I've ever read
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: of making a biblical case to believe for miraculous healing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: But in there, he talks about walking with God is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like a chess game. He says, God will make a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: move and then you make a move. And he said,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: God will never move out of turn and he will
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: never take your turn. So it's yours to discern whose
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: move it is. And I love that so much because
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: there's times when the silence is, God's waiting for you
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to do the very last thing he told you to do.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And so for me, I like to really search out,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: is there anything that I am missing? And there are
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: times where you, like even Paul said, my conscience is clear,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean I'm innocent. You know, David said,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: cleanse me from presumptuous sins. Show me the things that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I cannot see. So I'll start there. And if there's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: nothing the Lord is showing me, then I pick up
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: old journals and I pick up the word. And I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: just remember what he's told me. I think journaling is
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: so important, especially writing down the promises that God has
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: highlighted for you. And I just sit with those things.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I've been through some pretty significant silent seasons.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I'll wrap with this.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: In Streams in the Desert, there's a story, and I'm
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: paraphrasing it because it's been a little while since I've
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: read it, but I love it so much. There's a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: woman who had a dream. And in the dream, there
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: were three women kneeling before Jesus. And in the dream,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the woman who's having the dream is standing with an angel.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And the angel says to her, watch what Jesus does
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: with these women and tell me what you see. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the first one, he goes up, they're all kneeling down
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  Speaker 2: and he rustles her hair and he holds her face
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and he speaks tenderly to her. The next one, he
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't do that, but he kind of just pats her
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: on the head. The third one, he looks away and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: walks away. And the woman says, well, the first one
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is all in believer and he's so proud of her
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and he's affirming the way that she lives for him.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: The second one is kind of one foot in and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: one foot out. And third one is squandering her calling.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And he says, you couldn't be more wrong. He said,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the first one is a brand new believer and is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: very dependent on on outward signs of affirmation and confirmation.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: The second one is maturing in her faith and God
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: is teaching her and training her to obey even when
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: she doesn't sense or see or feel a confirmation. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the third one is being raised up for greatness and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: basically being weaned off all of the need. And that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that we can live forever that way, but there are
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: seasons where you go, I'm putting a flag in the ground.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stand on the promises even if they don't
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: feel true. And that just put fire in my belly
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: just because I thought, I've been through those seasons.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So that helped me a lot.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So I first would search my own heart and say, Lord,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: show me if there's any on-ramp I have given the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: enemy to block my capacity to hear you, any disobedience,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: anything in my life. And if there's nothing there, then
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I do the James 4.7, submit to God, resist the devil,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and he will flee. And submit to God is a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: military term. It means get back in rank. So Okay,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I haven't sensed anything that I'm out of rank. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: so I'm in rank. So I'm going to use the
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: authority you've given me. And I'm going to tell that devil,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: get out of here. You don't get to interfere with
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: my time with God. And I take that authority. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: then if I'm still not hearing anything, I put on
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: worship music. I read through my old journals. I read scripture.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And I know this too shall pass. And when you
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: stay the course in those seasons, what I have experienced
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: is when the season passes, there's just a wave of refreshing.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: where suddenly the word leaps off the page and you
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: understand that you've been in a training time. So that's
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: just been my experience in those tough seasons.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I think also, and we gotta wrap this up, but
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I wonder if sometimes comparison can get in the way.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Like I'll share for me a lot of times how
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: God will speak. I will just get an intense emotion.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Like usually it'll be like deep, deep compassion that just
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: comes out of nowhere. And there's like a knowing of
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: somebody else's pain.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I guess. Wow. That's not audible. Like there's no words there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need words.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: So talk to me about comparison, like, okay, well, maybe
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Susie got a visual here.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a visual. So I must be a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: lesser Christian. Oh, my. Oh, my. Oh, dear.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I love that you asked this because that, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Scripture says when you compare, you're just not wise. And
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was Oswald Chambers who said, let God
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: be as original with others.
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  Speaker 1: As he is with you.
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  Speaker 2: I love that he speaks to you through that emotion
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  Speaker 2: because Jesus led with compassion. That's what moved him when
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  Speaker 2: he saw the crowds. And quite honestly, there's times that's
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  Speaker 2: how God speaks to me where I'll have a supernatural
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  Speaker 2: love for someone.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hear any words or any direction, just a deep,
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  Speaker 1: deep love.
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  Speaker 2: And then I do the next thing I sense that
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  Speaker 2: he wants me to do. And so I think we've
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  Speaker 2: got so much to just learn to live like deeply
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  Speaker 2: loved children of God. We have to learn to live
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  Speaker 2: loved and trust that he's going to speak to us
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  Speaker 2: in a way that we understand. And start to love
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  Speaker 2: your story and love your relationship with him and love
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  Speaker 2: the way he communicates to you because he knows what
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  Speaker 2: you need to hear. He knows how you need to hear.
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  Speaker 2: And he's that meticulous and that miraculous. But when we
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  Speaker 2: look to the left or right, we're setting ourselves up
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  Speaker 2: for discontentment and for deception and discouragement.
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  Speaker 1: All the disses, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So refrain from that as best you can and enjoy
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  Speaker 2: the Lord. And one quick last thing I'll say about
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  Speaker 2: this is, um, A.W. Tozer, he's one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: dead guys. There's a few of those guys that I love.
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  Speaker 2: But he wondered, if God is no respecter of persons,
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  Speaker 2: why do some people go on to do amazing things
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  Speaker 2: in the kingdom and others not so much? So he
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  Speaker 2: studied biblical history and world history up to the point
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  Speaker 2: in his life. And what he learned is the differences
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  Speaker 2: could not have been more stark. You know, one was black,
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  Speaker 2: one was white, one was rich, one was poor, educated, uneducated.
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  Speaker 2: There was all these differences in the sampling of people
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  Speaker 2: that he just looked into their lives. But he said
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  Speaker 2: there was one common denominator in all of their lives
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  Speaker 2: of these people who went on and did amazing things
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  Speaker 2: for God. And he called it spiritual receptivity. He said
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  Speaker 2: they oriented their life towards God to such a degree
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  Speaker 2: that they made listening for his voice the most important
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  Speaker 2: thing about them. And when he spoke, they did something
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  Speaker 2: about it. He said, spiritual receptivity.
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  Speaker 1: That is the thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't love that more. And that's why to me,
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  Speaker 2: it always goes back to intimacy with God. It's not
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  Speaker 2: what you do. It's who he is and who you
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  Speaker 2: are with him. And from that place, then you live loved.
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  Speaker 2: You live out of the overflow. You're not living to
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  Speaker 2: prove anything.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: And I especially love that you emphasized learning to live loved.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one thing your content does consistently. You don't
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  Speaker 3: shy away from the struggles, from the trauma, the difficulties.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to tell listeners about your latest book,
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  Speaker 3: More Than You Can Imagine, What God Does When You
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  Speaker 3: Trust Him. Susie Larson invites readers to deepen their faith,
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  Speaker 3: strengthen their trust, and live with greater confidence in God's promises.
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  Speaker 3: Through personal stories, biblical truth, prayers, and reflection questions, she
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  Speaker 3: explores what it means to build an inner life anchored
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  Speaker 3: in God's goodness, faithfulness, and love, drawing from her own
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  Speaker 3: health journey family experiences, and stories of everyday believers. She
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  Speaker 3: offers hope for those facing fear, hardship, and uncertainty. She
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  Speaker 3: explores God's healing presence, his power to restore broken stories,
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  Speaker 3: and his invitation to live with courage and trust, blending testimony, scripture,
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  Speaker 3: and practical application. The book encourages readers towards spiritual renewal
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  Speaker 3: and a deeper, more vibrant walk with God. And I
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  Speaker 3: want to close with this. I really want listeners to
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  Speaker 3: to hear this. I want to circle back to your
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  Speaker 3: original story when you were wrestling and broken and discouraged
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  Speaker 3: and feeling disconnected from God.
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  Speaker 1: How many, so that was how many decades ago? Three
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  Speaker 1: decades ago. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Three decades of pushing through, of wrestling authentically, of pursuing God,
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  Speaker 3: even when it was hard and maybe felt like it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't working. And now, back to how I introduced you
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  Speaker 3: on the show, you are doing mighty work for God's kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: Not just because of your numbers, actually, Susie.
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  Speaker 3: It's more because you are authentically showing what it looks
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  Speaker 3: like to walk out faith, living loved and living authentic
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  Speaker 3: in our struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: I believe you are breaking shame for a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people and, and while God is using you to break
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  Speaker 3: shame and to pave the way for exactly what, what
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  Speaker 3: your book is intending to do, bring freedom to others.
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  Speaker 3: And so I thank you very much for sharing. I
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  Speaker 3: know it's a busy season for you for sharing your
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  Speaker 3: time with my listeners. I hope they hear that you
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  Speaker 3: by the Holy, well, let me rephrase it. God brought
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  Speaker 3: you here for them. so that they can experience increased
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  Speaker 3: intimacy with him. So I thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: Honored.
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  Speaker 2: And that one person, if you said yes to Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: let Jennifer know, because it's the most important decision you'll
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  Speaker 2: ever make and the most expensive miracle that God paid for.
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  Speaker 2: And you're worth it to him. So thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for having me today.
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  Speaker 1: It's an honor to be with you. Amen.
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  Speaker 3: To my listeners, thank you for listening. I hope this
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  Speaker 3: conversation encouraged you. If you haven't already done so, I
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  Speaker 3: encourage you to subscribe to this podcast. Then you won't
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  Speaker 3: miss a single episode. Make sure to rate it and
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  Speaker 3: review it. That encourages me and it also helps others
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  Speaker 3: to find our content. Until next time, may you live
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  Speaker 3: as one who truly has been set free.