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Did VisionQuest Code Switch To White?!?? (VisionQuest Episode 1 & 2 Reaction & Review) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Where do you think we're going at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I know we talked about where we want the magic,
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  Speaker 2: we want this and that, but based on what we have,
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  Speaker 2: where would we end up?
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  Speaker 3: Father-son road trip in the station wagon.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another.
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  Speaker 2: Episode of For All Nerds. It is your host, Tatiana King, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 2: Tesseract Thompson, a.k.a. Doc Aki, a.k.a. Fast the Destroyer, Wicked
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  Speaker 2: Witch of the Westview, and Dark Chocolate Phoenix.
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  Speaker 1: And today I am joined by my lovely co-host.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, everyone. It's Portia, a.k.a. Raekwanda Maximoff, a.k.a. Stay with
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  Speaker 3: the Bag of the Harkness, a.k.a. Maester Pete, make him say, hmmm. AKA,
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  Speaker 3: let's get into this vision quest.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if that's a good side or
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  Speaker 2: a bad side, but we about to find out. In
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  Speaker 2: the meantime, love to our brother DJ Ben Hameen, who
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  Speaker 2: has got a case of the con crud, but he
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  Speaker 2: will return in Avengers Doom Day, so you'll see him soon.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get right into it. Like you said, we
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  Speaker 2: are back to discuss and review this time Vision Quest.
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  Speaker 2: That is the big show that's up now on Disney +.
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  Speaker 2: The first two episodes have dropped. We've both seen it.
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  Speaker 2: We've both had some time to marinate on it. And
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  Speaker 2: before we get into the details of both episodes, first, Portia,
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  Speaker 2: just in general, what did you think about this show?
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  Speaker 3: I think episode one took... I liked that both Agatha
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  Speaker 3: All Along and Vision Quest kind of stuck you off
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  Speaker 3: in the same kind of vibe of what we got
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  Speaker 3: in WandaVision, of that having a sitcom style or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It was not just a fluke or whatever. That's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like... the people in this universe, in this little
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  Speaker 3: pocket of the universe, there's something about that setup and
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  Speaker 3: structure that appeals to storytelling for them. And so you
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  Speaker 3: get that nod back to it in Vision Quest. It's
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  Speaker 3: not as direct as it may have been in both
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  Speaker 3: of those seasons. Like, we had the mayor of Easttown
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  Speaker 3: kind of referenced in the first episode of Agatha Harkness or,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So with this one, like, having that, but with, like,
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  Speaker 3: a tech flow... was very aligned with who Vision is
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  Speaker 3: and who we've seen him grow into as a character
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  Speaker 3: over time. So I appreciated that. And the second episode
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  Speaker 3: also had its highlights and lowlights. So generally, I think
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  Speaker 3: that it's nice to see cohesion. I think that's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing that I'm seeing here that I've appreciated. And
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  Speaker 3: it's nicely, because of the cohesion, it's nice to be
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  Speaker 3: back in this universe. Because I remember whenever we were
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  Speaker 3: reviewing Agatha all along, that was something that was just
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  Speaker 3: like a... It was a good time. And being reminded
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  Speaker 3: of the good time there, it's like, okay, let's get
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  Speaker 3: into that energy again.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say you enjoyed it?
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  Speaker 1: You're enjoying it so far?
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  Speaker 3: Or you're not sure?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you at?
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  Speaker 3: I'm reserving my judgment.
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  Speaker 1: You're still reserving your judgment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the first two episodes have not captured you
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  Speaker 2: enough to... say yay or nay right away.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Nah, like, they're good. Like, but I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that for most things, I think. Like, I... Let me
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  Speaker 3: get to episode, like, four. Like, let's get halfway through
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  Speaker 3: the season or something so I can be like, okay, like,
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  Speaker 3: this is how I actually feel about this season. Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I have past judgment already. Um, I'm having a
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  Speaker 2: good time with it, actually. I.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, I went into this. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even watch. I didn't go back and rewatch
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  Speaker 2: WandaVision nor Agatha all along. I just didn't think there
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  Speaker 2: was a reason to because they're always going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of do a quick rehash in the beginning to let
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  Speaker 2: you know where everybody stands. That thing that is one
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  Speaker 2: thing you can rely upon now with the Disney Plus
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  Speaker 2: shows that they will get you up to speed because
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about two, three, sometimes four years in between series,
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  Speaker 2: especially connecting tissue series like this. Vision Quest is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be the third piece of this trilogy project. And
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  Speaker 2: the third and final piece, I should say, between Rod
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  Speaker 2: and the Vision and Akatho all along. So as mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a while since you really got into all
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  Speaker 2: of that. And there's a lot of material to cover.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really glad in the very beginning of When
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  Speaker 2: episode one titled No Strings, that they just caught us
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  Speaker 2: up to where we need to be. That said, I
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  Speaker 2: was pleasantly surprised. I really liked, as you mentioned, that
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  Speaker 2: it gave you somewhat of a similar flavor to Agatha
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  Speaker 2: O'Long and WandaVision. Just the fact that there's some... form
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  Speaker 2: of make-believe here, right? And when I say that, I
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily mean to make-believe town and make-believe people. I
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  Speaker 2: mean the fact that you're playing in the imagination, you're
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  Speaker 2: dabbling in constructs, if you will, of reality, but this
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  Speaker 2: time is in the head of vision, right? And what's
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  Speaker 2: going on in his quantum processors and who's going on
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  Speaker 2: in his quantum processors and exactly how he is negotiating
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  Speaker 2: life at this point. This, for everyone who hasn't figured
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  Speaker 2: it out by now, this is not the vision you
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  Speaker 2: knew before.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the vision.
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  Speaker 2: That Thanos killed. As you know, a lot has occurred
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  Speaker 2: since that time. This is not the vision, even with
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  Speaker 2: the Infinity Stone.
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  Speaker 1: In his head, right?
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  Speaker 2: This is a copy, but has enough of the... Well,
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  Speaker 2: really all, right?
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  Speaker 1: All of the memories of the original vision and all
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  Speaker 1: of the.
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  Speaker 2: alleged emotions of it but he this one can't quite
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  Speaker 2: process the emotions and that's the framework that they put
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  Speaker 2: you in that this is vision this version of vision
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  Speaker 2: vision the gray if you will this is him trying
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  Speaker 2: to understand his humanity right because vision the original vision
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  Speaker 2: that you knew like he almost like developed a piece
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  Speaker 2: of humanity within him right and then when wanda you
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  Speaker 2: recreated him right reconstructed a version of him that was
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  Speaker 2: just almost like another piece of him it makes me
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  Speaker 2: think of things like you know when they say like
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  Speaker 2: there's like a when you get a diamond right it's
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  Speaker 2: actually from a larger diamond and they just cut off
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  Speaker 2: almost cut off pieces of smaller diamonds like but it's
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  Speaker 2: all from the same source that's what it reminds me
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  Speaker 2: of like there's all these different versions all from the
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  Speaker 2: same source but they're Different and yet still the same
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  Speaker 2: thing at the same time. It's a conundrum that they
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  Speaker 2: revisit often in this show so far.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's also fitting, like as you were talking
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  Speaker 3: about it, like how, like the constructs of it all,
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  Speaker 3: how of the life and the fantasy of it all,
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  Speaker 3: that Wanda is the reality witch, right? And so we've
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  Speaker 3: been seeing different realities in each of these parts of
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  Speaker 3: the trilogy, right? What I got the most out of
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  Speaker 3: this These first couple of episodes is that one, as
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  Speaker 3: you were saying, he has the memories, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have the experience. And whenever you're holding on to something
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  Speaker 3: that you don't quite have the experience with, you just
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  Speaker 3: kind of know how to do it, but the experience
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  Speaker 3: is just new to you, and you don't even know
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  Speaker 3: if you enjoyed the experience the first time around. You're
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  Speaker 3: just kind of like, okay. I think your classic... amnesia
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  Speaker 3: tale that you've seen in soap operas or like if
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  Speaker 3: you're into the asian dramas like i am like into
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  Speaker 3: the dramas and you just like you can see the
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  Speaker 3: character trying to deal with like am i stepping in
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  Speaker 3: like you like someone's walking in snow and you're stepping
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  Speaker 3: into their footprints like do you actually want to take
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  Speaker 3: this path or do you just feel like you have
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  Speaker 3: to pay honor to it and even with whom he's
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  Speaker 3: keeping in his processors like that's also kind of like
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  Speaker 3: it does he really feel like he wants those people
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  Speaker 3: there or is that because he feels like beholden to
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  Speaker 3: like who he is and like where he is in
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  Speaker 3: the chain of the process and he wants to have
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  Speaker 3: them there like where's responsibility in that where's duty obligation
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  Speaker 3: where's actually desire actual desire does he actually enjoy these
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  Speaker 3: other ais right um that's one part of it and
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  Speaker 3: i think in having this discussion about the ai and
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  Speaker 3: the family of it all it naturally calls to wanda
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  Speaker 3: having wanted a family of it all, which means that
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  Speaker 3: we have to go down the path with Wanda constructing
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  Speaker 3: a family, and that's how we get to this homie
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  Speaker 3: of it all. And so I love that they're all interwoven.
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  Speaker 3: I also enjoy the fact that, like, as we're talking about, like,
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  Speaker 3: how Vision is processing his life, I'm also seeing it
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  Speaker 3: as how we all tend to wear masks. Like, even
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  Speaker 3: if we don't even... We don't necessarily sometimes... notice that
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  Speaker 3: we're creating masks, masquerade for ourselves. We're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is the person I have to show up as
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  Speaker 3: when I'm out in public. Like everyone expects me to
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  Speaker 3: have it together. So this is who I am when
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  Speaker 3: I'm out in public, when I'm back at home or
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  Speaker 3: with them, with my friends, or when I'm with people
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  Speaker 3: I feel safe with, I'm going to show how much
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  Speaker 3: of a mess I am. But what people are looking
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  Speaker 3: for me like in public, this is who I am.
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  Speaker 3: And it kind of seems like that's who vision is
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  Speaker 3: a lot. And that's even how the other AIs in his, in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in his mind are kind of like playing
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  Speaker 3: around with things. They're like, we're, we're not sure we're experimenting.
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  Speaker 3: We're figuring this out. And they're all somehow vision at
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  Speaker 3: the same time. So it's, we are grouped, but in
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  Speaker 3: the most like veiny and like exploratory AI of ways.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that, like, Jarvis is kind of the
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  Speaker 3: heart of it all. And then that goes. What does
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  Speaker 3: the heart do? Why they do this?
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  Speaker 2: Not my Uncle Jarvis.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Jarvis? Y'all George RR Martin me episode two already. I
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  Speaker 2: will say, and here's the thing, this is the only
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  Speaker 2: AI I acknowledge, okay? These would only be the AIs
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  Speaker 2: I would ever announce besides that and Allen Iverson. These AI, well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, and this is... is why I say
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  Speaker 2: that I'm enjoying it a lot. Like even in this
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  Speaker 2: early stage, I'm enjoying this a lot. Shout out to
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  Speaker 2: Terry Matalas or Matalas. I apologize for butchering your name,
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  Speaker 2: but it's, He is a showrunner and writer for this series.
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  Speaker 2: And the way that this series already is going very
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  Speaker 2: deep into like psychological trauma, you know, the psyche, multiple personality,
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  Speaker 2: like there's so much by way of psychology in this
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  Speaker 2: show alone.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, we've seen in WandaVision, we've seen it in
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  Speaker 1: Agatha all along.
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  Speaker 2: This particularly scratches a particular itch for me because it
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  Speaker 2: dives so deeply into tech as well. And it's very,
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  Speaker 2: strongly woven into from the words that, you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: they are AIs, but the words that they are using,
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  Speaker 2: the syntax of their conversations, right? Jarvis, Friday, Dummy, you,
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  Speaker 2: and Edith, who are the dummies that we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: in a minute, but Ultron, right? Like, just the way
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  Speaker 2: that they move, the way that they interact with each other,
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  Speaker 2: and then the fact that these are all also within
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  Speaker 2: Vision's head, if so you will, like the little house
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  Speaker 2: in his head, that he's contemplating and trying to understand
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  Speaker 2: what he is and who he is. And like you
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  Speaker 2: just said, what is his purpose and how does he
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  Speaker 2: arrive at the next step? Like, is he supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be this guy that he has all of this background on,
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  Speaker 2: or is he in fact his own thing? As they say,
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  Speaker 2: is he the ship of Theseus, right? Is he just,
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  Speaker 2: is he even that thing anymore? And I just love
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  Speaker 2: that conversation that keeps happening throughout the, at least the
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  Speaker 2: last two, at least first two episodes, rather. And it's,
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  Speaker 2: It really makes you question yourself sometimes, too, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: they said with humans that you could be... They said
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  Speaker 2: this in, I think, the second episode. They said humans
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  Speaker 2: can be 10 people in a day, which is absolute truth, right?
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  Speaker 1: Especially as Black people. We know that. That's code switching, right?
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  Speaker 1: We can be multiple people.
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  Speaker 3: W.E. DuBois and the whole double consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: Double consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 2: that is very very very black coded in general so
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  Speaker 2: like that's just interesting that I see the I see
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  Speaker 2: the parallels between my own life and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the things happening here so which is why it makes
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  Speaker 2: it that much for me more fun and interesting to
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  Speaker 2: watch because I'm just like I see what he's doing
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot and there's a lot of things in
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  Speaker 2: terms of let's just just easter eggs and in terms
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  Speaker 2: of Thoughts like like really good trains of thought that
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: lets you go to different places. And again, in terms
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  Speaker 2: of philosophy, in terms of what you think this show
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  Speaker 2: is going to express to you. And then add all
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  Speaker 2: that up with a character that hopefully when people watching
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  Speaker 2: that you actually liked and enjoy. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: also really important. You have to have light vision to
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  Speaker 2: begin with. even this version of Vision, which is slightly different,
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  Speaker 2: you really do have to have enjoyed that character. You
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  Speaker 2: have to enjoy Paul Bettany and his delivery of this
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  Speaker 2: character to really get into it. If you never really
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: effed with Vision in the first place, you might have
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: a bad time because this is literally going to surround
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  Speaker 2: all him. And I know some people, some people act
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  Speaker 2: funny about him, especially this version of Vision that is,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, much, much more ruthless.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that I did not, Vision has never
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  Speaker 3: been one of my top Avengers or, like, characters in
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  Speaker 3: the Marvel franchise. I think a lot of the time
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  Speaker 3: that they were spending building up he and Wanda as
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  Speaker 3: a couple, I was just like, why are we doing
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  Speaker 3: this on the side? And it was WandaVision where I
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  Speaker 3: was like, well, I could kind of, like, him saying
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  Speaker 3: the whole what is a grief but love, like, that really, that,
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  Speaker 3: and I love that line. I was like, the show
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  Speaker 3: recognizes how, like, Like they did not let that line die.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, that is like the ship of Theseus
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  Speaker 3: and that line are like crucial elements of his personality
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  Speaker 3: that they know that the audience like really like enjoyed
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  Speaker 3: and ate up. And they're like, we're not going to
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  Speaker 3: let that go. Of course, we're going to bring that
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  Speaker 3: in and we're going to hook y'all into that. And
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  Speaker 3: whenever it comes to his season. So I appreciate kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the fan service of that, of like, they
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  Speaker 3: know that they already have us with that. And they're
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  Speaker 3: kind of like drawing us in with those little, those breadcrumbs. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's people who also kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: cringe at that kind of, that level of fan service
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  Speaker 3: of like, oh, y'all are only giving us what you
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  Speaker 3: know that we like.
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  Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone likes this, whatever. Cool. I think because of the
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  Speaker 3: psychological components of it, what we're seeing is like, um,
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  Speaker 3: like the grief story ongoing, especially because there's questions about
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  Speaker 3: Wanda and everyone's understanding of her new dad. Um, and
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  Speaker 3: how she was the one who tied, brought the family
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  Speaker 3: together and now we have these We know what Billy
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  Speaker 3: has gone through. And now we're seeing what Tommy has
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  Speaker 3: gone through. And that's traumatic. And what Vision has gone
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  Speaker 3: through is traumatic. And we see even... The fact that
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  Speaker 3: he explodes at... Ultron for bringing up Westview in his, like,
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  Speaker 3: his little theater, his mind.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, talk about like, like what double
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  Speaker 2: and triple entendres, the mind theater, right? Like, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's like, Terry, you, you doing the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah. But like, like we see him, like
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  Speaker 3: all these components that show that like how traumatized everyone
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  Speaker 3: is in this instance, like Jarvis is very like hesitant
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  Speaker 3: to do things. And he's kind of overworking as the,
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  Speaker 3: oldest brother and the one who is, like, he's taking
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  Speaker 3: it upon himself to run every security protocol possible. And
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  Speaker 3: the whole time Ultron is, like, just messing with that
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  Speaker 3: firewall left and right with his pigeons, aka emails that
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  Speaker 3: we learn about. The carrier pigeons, right? And then we, like,
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  Speaker 3: the thought I was having a lot about the psychology
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  Speaker 3: component was with the you know, the Theseus component is
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  Speaker 3: like father, like son, like Billy and Tommy are both
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  Speaker 3: basically the ship of Theseus because they are human boys
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  Speaker 3: who are no longer who they were. They are now
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  Speaker 3: the spirit of these like boys that Wanda constructed. And
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  Speaker 3: so are they, so that's the question. Are there, is there, Tommy,
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Spencer? Or is he someone, like, he's had to
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  Speaker 3: deal with that and that's something that's, like, struggling for
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  Speaker 3: him as Vision is struggling with who he is and, like,
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  Speaker 3: which Vision is he? As Billy was struggling with who
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  Speaker 3: his parents were as a human boy versus, like, who
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  Speaker 3: he is as Billy. So, like, it's very interesting how
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  Speaker 3: the tale of the father is the same as the
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  Speaker 3: tale of the sons.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, and both Billy and Tommy died.
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  Speaker 2: Like the original versions of them were, were in fact dead.
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  Speaker 2: And they're the, through the magic, just like a daddy
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  Speaker 2: and the magic of, uh, Billy, uh, placing their souls
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  Speaker 2: into the... And remember, like, if you remember at the
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  Speaker 2: end of WandaVision when she was wrapping it up and saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody gotta go, Billy being having the... You know, he
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: has the chaos magic. He's the one who inherited the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: chaos magic. Tommy inherited the super speed just like his uncle, right?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And Billy, the two boys was like, well, we trying
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to be outside, right? So to have that level of
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: will to then, you know, disperse or find another... place
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: to deposit their souls is wild in the first place
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and then to what you're saying just the fact that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: now we're seeing this journey this identity crisis and we've
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: seen it already a little bit with Billy but to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: see that identity crisis with Tommy, to see the identity
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: crisis with Vision, to see that identity crisis as.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Even with the AIs and stuff. With Ultron, especially. With Ultron,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: He was going through it in his own movie, right?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: No strings. And that's also the name of the very
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: first episode, No Strings, because they... it's a lot of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: entendres here, right? And it's trying to lead you into
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: a space of thought where you can question the realities, right?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Question your own realities, question your own.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: What is real? What is, you know, what is some,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: what's the story that you make up in your head
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to get through your day? I think that why, again,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that approach and the writing is really what's driving my
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: interest here. And also just to add on, Terry wrote
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a lot for Star Trek. And Star Trek is one
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: of my best fandoms. So, I mean, so obviously, and again,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the tech component is all there. It's fantastic for me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that we like captured like
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the things that actually occurred in these episodes that were
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of particular importance. The fact that You know, Vision, he,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: as mentioned, identity crisis. He's trying to pass off as
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a human working in a pub. And he goes back
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to a pub in Edinburgh where apparently that's where him
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and Wanda used to hang out when they was an item.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Apparently they also watched reruns of Sanford and Son. Right!
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And I was thinking that like, what?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I guess girl.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, he was into it. I was like
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: out of any show. Okay, great.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: But my question is like, I'm like, is this like
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: response to critique about the sitcoms that were used as
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: like references and like, people were like, there ain't no
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: black shows over here. And that's, they were like, Oh,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: let's put a black show here. Sitcom. We'll see. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: think it also reminded me of our conversation of Westview
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: versus Rushville. And like, when the guys from Because We
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Can were saying like, oh, well, I would just tell Wanda, like, hey,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: can we at least get a different world over here? Like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: can I live it single? Like, it's funny if, like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: is that a request that someone didn't get to put
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: into that season, and now they're just kind of putting
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it into this season? Or maybe we're going to see
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a reference back to Sanford and Son, or just really
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the scene where I saw someone, they did talk about
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the fact that, like, the line that is said there is,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: This is all at Disneyland. All the things that he
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: was talking about, you could find it in Disneyland. It
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: just reminded me of the fact that there is so
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: much that is a facade in the show. And even
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: his life as a bar hand at this pub is
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: a facade. And Disneyland has all those things, but it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: not the original thing. They have... They have Epcot and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Disney World, and it's, like, of all the different countries
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: around the world, but it's not the country around the world.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It's just representation of that, right? So I think there's
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: a lot. I'm looking at the different things, the nuggets
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: that were being given in these early episodes, and I'm like, okay, like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: what are we supposed to take out of it? Because
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it's very clear to see, like.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: The reality.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And again, Wanda is the reality witch, like, it's interesting
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: to see how much that is still component of the show,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: even without her in it directly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: As mentioned, this is like supposed to be the final
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: installment in the trilogy.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm, I'm even though it was developed at different times,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: just again, it was, it's sequential still. So like there
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: are pieces that bleed into each of the series.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Right. And, And Jack, the one who produced WandaVision and
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Agatha Long, also executive produced this. So the cohesion is
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: clear here.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: The cohesion is clear. The setup is clear.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: One thing, and just speaking of setup, one thing I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: just forgot to mention, I just love how they set
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: up the, what, what's supposed to be like the main stage,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: which is visions within vision's head or within his deep
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: in his quantum processors. Like I just love how they
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: set up that house and everything in it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It gave, I don't know if you've read Tom King's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: run of the vision.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, I highly recommend that comic highly, highly, highly recommend
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that comment. It's, Basically, it served as really the inspiration
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: for WandaVision. And the book is basically Vision going out
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to the suburbs and creating his own family, creating his
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: own thing about what his life would be like if
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: he was a human and had a, quote, normal life
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: out in the suburbs.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Absolute incredible run, incredible read. Definitely recommend reading that. But
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: when you read that and you also see the art
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: in that, I saw... I still saw a lot of
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the influences here in the show. Like, it's literally like
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: digital meets a Norman Rockwell painting meets, you know, all
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: these other shows. And what I really liked about the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: setup is it's a lot of... Not just Easter eggs,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but very tongue-in-cheek representations and things like... You saw the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: cans of firewall that he was supposed to be eating, right?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Or security, things he was supposed to be using to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: take care of himself.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: The way that the.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: There's one scene where he's in like a living room
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and the fireplace is digital, like it's all pixelated.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And then there's things that are real, but then change
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: within the scene.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Like I thought and this goes out to sound design
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: as well. There was the one scene where Friday was
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: talking to Vision and they were like, it looked like
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: they were in like a regular room. And then you
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: hear like this kind of computerized sound. And the scene changes,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: like literally the frame changes slightly. And then behind Friday,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden is a library. And then Vision
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: has on completely different clothes. And it's like, it's a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: blink and you missed it type of thing where you
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: really have to pay attention to the details of a scene.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: You really have to pay attention to what's going on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It's literally changing at will. I think that's really incredible.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And also just lends back to the whimsy that was WandaVision, right?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like just to be... And I think that's why I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: like it so much so far, because it's giving me
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: infusion of imagery and imagination. Like it's not just another show.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Like it's giving me story. It's giving me something that's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that's even though it's a I don't want to say traditional, but,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, it's been like 20 years of the same character.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's it's more than just the regular Marvel story, which
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: is why I'm like I'm really messing with it right now.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I also appreciated that, like, when you're seeing the
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: setup for the house and, like, what it looks like
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: on the outside, the facade and everything, you're also seeing that, like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: how much space that vision has allowed for each AI
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to have its own say and what they're bringing to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the story. Yeah. The house doesn't look like one idea
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of a house. It's like a couple different pieces of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: people's ideas of what a house should look like. And
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: it's like, so that means that not one person dictated
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: what the house looked like. Everyone had a role in
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: saying what it is. And they still do. They still
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: are exploring different ways of how that works. And I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: love that. It shows how Vision has opened his processors
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to them. And he's not being as restrictive as he
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: probably should be for some of them. At least with
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: how he's doing things. So I love that. And the leaks,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the data leaks, I thought that was really inspiring. It
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: was so good. And I... It's interesting that, like, Vision's
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: kind of response to Jarvis being fixated on, like, we
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: need to be thoughtful and considerate. Like, this is, like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: there's a breach. We need to do something about it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: We need to, like, tighten up. We need to get
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: our stuff together. And I'm like, I don't know necessarily
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: that Vision... Because you know how sometimes characters are... you
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: can tell they're ready for a change, but instead of
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: them seeking the change, they're just kind of like allowing
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: things to happen around. Yes. Yes. And that's how it
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: feels in real life too. That's how it seems like
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: vision is, is moving. He's like, It's kind of like...
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm curious.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Let's see what the virus-laden package has.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Like, you know better.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: It's funny because I was reading something earlier that I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: was like, it's making me laugh because I'm like, this is... Whatever.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: How people are like, whenever you are not... doing birth
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: control-related things, and you're opening yourself up to have a child,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, it just happened.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Like, no, babes.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: No!
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: You allowed that to happen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: You did not take the precautions to not have a child,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: and now you have a child. Like, it doesn't just happen,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And that's basically what's happening with, like, with Ultron, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: being able to do what he does, and with the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: data leaks and all those kind of things, and even
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: though Vision does respond kind of aggressively to Ultron at
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: some point, he doesn't really, like, he doesn't shut him
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: out all the way. He doesn't, like, boot him or anything.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And Ultron says that. He says, like, the other version
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: of you would have done that. And it's funny.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Would he?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Right. But it's also funny because it's, like, maybe, like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: maybe the other version of him that Ultron fought... might
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: have done that. But by the time he was, like,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: in Wakanda, he wouldn't have done that, right?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Like, there's two different versions. But the one that Ultron
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: interacted with was the one that booted him out, right? Yes. So...
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I think that it's a really interesting storytelling thing that's
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: going on here. And especially when it comes to like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: what does Ultron ultimately want here? Yes. Because I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: think that it's as simple as he wants to be
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the one who takes over Vision's body or he wants
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to be... I don't think it's that simple.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Is it just freedom?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Because that actually was the question I was going to
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: ask you since you mentioned Ultron, just what is, because
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: he's clearly, well, as of now, he is one of
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the antagonists of the story. So what is his ultimate
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: goal and purpose? And yes, we're trying to guess so early,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: but like, Is it just simply freedom, right? Like that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: right in front of us, but what's beyond that, right?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Because at the end of the day, that's Ultron has
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: always said that, you know, I just want, I don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: want any strings. Remember, he's not a puppet. He's not,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: he wasn't, he didn't want to be bound before. He's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: not going to get bound again this time, especially in
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Ultron's head, excuse me, in Vision's head.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So what, what is he looking for?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think someone who wants to not be involved,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: who wants to have their own thing going, who wants
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to go hermatically or even someone like who wants to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: be like in power on their own. I don't think
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that they give you advice to go after your son.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they kind of lean into the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: conviction of like building, like, I think there's something about
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the way that Ultron is moving that, and it's not,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: it's like, I'm not hopeful for him or anything. It's
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: just that I don't think that he's moving in a
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: way that tells me that we're going to see your
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: regular degular villain storyline of like, I just want control
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and power. I think we're going to get something complete.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Like it's going to be different. It's not going to be,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: great for everyone but it's not gonna be something that
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: is the same he's he says it he's he says
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: he was bested and you learn about who bested you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: once you've been bested yeah and i don't think that
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: what he you get from that lesson is to try
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the same thing again i don't think that you have
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the same kind of goal once you learn from the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: kind of person who best you i think it has
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to shift And so I just, I, without what that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: renewed vision is, I don't know. But I doesn't feel
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: like it would be that same thing again. And he's,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: you know, he's employing the help of this person. paladin
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: character now. And I know we'll learn a lot more
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they, they took time to go
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: through the history of the paladin and, and mentioned that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he's not quote the paladin.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He's a paladin is the line of them.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: You think that's Ultron behind the paladin? No.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I think there's somebody else that we now the, the, the,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the rules of storytelling and this, at least on a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: screenplay is like, you can't just pop out with some
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: random character down. Like it has to be someone you
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: already were introduced to or has been in the picture somehow. So,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you know, at first I was like, Oh yeah, that's Ultron.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, no, that would be too easy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Like that doesn't, it has to be something else going on.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Do you think, who do you think it is? Or
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: do you not even who you think it is? Do
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you think it's Ultron?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's Ultron necessarily. I think Ultron is...
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I think Ultron has... The things we see him doing
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: in these episodes show that he is allowing for that
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: gateway to be open for all the things.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: He's facilitating.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's facilitating all the things that Paladin is putting forward.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: He's putting Vision right in the pathway to have him
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: take that stuff up.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: But.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's more of him trying to take advantage
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of the situation because he knew... Everyone knew it was
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: only a matter of time. Vision knew it was only
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: a matter of time. He says... He talks like a
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: talk of like, well, no one's looking for me. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: he pauses.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He's being naive.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think he was actually... I think he knows.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You think he knew he was just talking at the talk.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Everyone wears a mask. He's been one of the big
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: mask wearers. And sometimes we wear masks for ourselves too because...
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: That significant pause when he said, no, not even the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Avengers are looking for me. Like, that tells me that
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: he wants to be looked for.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: He kind of hopes that they're looking for him.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: He's wishful that someone needs him to step up to
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: be a hero again. Because White Vision was not a hero.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: He was a puppet for a sword. And sword will
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: have you doing all kinds of things. That's not hero life.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So of course he's probably like, he's so again, he's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: white vision. So he's never been able to be a hero.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: He's been, he's just been a tool. He's been Wanda's tool.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And then he's been swords tool. So I think him
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: like having that wistful line, I don't think he actually
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: believes what he said. I think he really does want that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: And I think that, like everyone in that room, whether
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: it's Jarvis, who's like, I got to get these firewalls
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: up because I don't want those. Cause like he knows
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: at some point the breach is going to happen and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: someone's going to come for us and we're not going
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: to be safe in vision's mind. And, I think it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: also interesting, like, the idea from the front is, how
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: did they all get there? Like, when did we see
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Edith get to, like, when did, where were they?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: When did he download, I mean, they said he downloaded them.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And also, I was trying to understand where in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: timeline this story sits. Because, and I guess they're trying
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: to tell you, too, when he's reading through, in the beginning, he's,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Vision is reading through the newspaper.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And there's one article that says, vibranium stolen.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, is that the time of the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: first Black Panther when Klaus stole the vibranium that, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: that set off that story? Or is this somewhere else?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Or is there no time period? Like, I'm trying to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: figure out when in the... I mean, it's clearly right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: It has to be after WandaVision, right?
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Right. It has to be after Agatha Long as well,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: because we know that Billy's the one who had the
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: whole situation with Tommy. Right, right. I also think it's
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: like we also know that it's kind of probably our
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: most recent thing that we've seen from Marvel timeline-wise. Like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: it's probably the most present day of all the Marvel
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: things happening.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. So he said he downloaded them. Downloaded them from where? When?
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Like, how?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: From when?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: And.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And you asked it earlier, again, like some of these
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: make sense. Like, yes, I understand why he downloaded Jarvis, Friday, Edith.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are all just components of his own protocols, right?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Like the fight protocols, the socialization protocols, security protocols, that's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: what they are. And of course, like dummy and the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: U AIs, those are just maintenance protocols, if you will.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But then the Ultron question, it's just like, Why would
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you house that inside of you? Knowing what Ultron is,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: knowing what Ultron is capable of, what would drive you
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to house that specific AI? And it just reminds me
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of what we were just talking about, just about like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: when he paused, when he said, oh, nobody's looking for me,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: not even the bench.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, you kind of want that chaos a little bit.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Like you're asking for that piece of of chaotic energy
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: because you don't want your life to be quote boring
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: or just just easy it's like it's it's it's just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: interesting like when they talk about self-sabotage that's a form
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of self-sabotage because like is it because you feel like
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Ultron should live or is there a different purpose but
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: also like.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: As you say that, it's like, is this him missing Wanda? Like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: because Wanda's chaotic.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, you remind me of my girl. Let's,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you know, like, I... It's just, again, and it also
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: leads to there's more humanity in him than he thinks
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: because he's doing stupid shit like human people do, right? Like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: just things like, well, why would you set yourself up
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: for failure like that? Like, why would you have the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: hubris to think that you can contain someone like that
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: who has... Even though he's been bested at the end,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: he has bested him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So I just... He bested him before several times. So I...
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make logic sense, but, like, does it have to, right? Because, again,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: this is him trying to find a piece of humanity
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and trying to really almost reach that level again where
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: he was before.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's also interesting, as you say it, like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: how he is kind of... Wizard of Oz, right? Where
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: he's searching for the humanity, but it's right there in
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: his face the whole time and how he's behaving. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I think that stood out to me the most. And, like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: even how he... animates this world within his mind because
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: what do you mean he's taking the elevator like that's
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: so pedestrian and human like a thing what do you
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: mean like just teleport yourself.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Like even ultron said that ultron was like why would
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you program a bad delivery service right like why would
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: you program that my food comes 60 or 40 minutes
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: late and cold like why would you do that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Why would you have these maintenance bots run the movie
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: for you? Like you could just do it. You know
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like it's all for the, it's all
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: the mask. It's all the story around him. It's all
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: like what he's building around him. And it's for human behaviors,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: for someone else to interact with at the movie theater,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: for some place to be with, with his body while
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: he's disembodied for the feeling of like maintaining, um, an
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: idea of what human life is like, even the inconveniences
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: of it. He's doing it to be human and then
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: also saying he doesn't know that he's human enough. And
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but it kind of sounds like the classic
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: struggle of like, biracial like i don't know my racial
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: struggle you think yeah like i'm like am i human
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: enough am i human enough am i too much droid
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: i don't know like and you know i say that
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: from like a have a kid who was told oh
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: you don't you don't talk black like you know that
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: like the shit people like to do or whatever to
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: question your identity and so it makes sense that as
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you're questioning your identity. You're hearing out other people's critiques
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: of you and trying those on and seeing what fits
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: and what doesn't fit. And then also rejecting things and
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: saying like, no, that has nothing to do with me.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So I think it's interesting. Like we see his like, heartwarming,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like sitcom-y. Oh, these are my friends and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: they're all in my mind and we all kind of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: take care of each other. We're a family kind of vibe,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: but also I need a family. I think that was
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: a note of mine too. Whenever he was talking to
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the pub owner, And she said to him, like, oh,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: who are you going home to? Because she mentioned that
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: he said that she had seen him with Wanda before.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: He says nobody. And I'm like, is that him being hateful?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Is that self-hate that he's saying he's going home to
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: other bots, but it's nobody somehow?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Which also leads me to another point to that that
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I wanted to mention. The fact that he said in
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: their face when he was just like, I don't have family.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And, like, they kind of looked at him like, well,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: what about us, nigga? Like, that is your chosen family.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And Jarvis, he told Jarvis, like, that's your, like, 1,036th
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: second oldest brother thing that you said. Like, that's a...
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And it's like, so you call him your brother... But
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: he's not your brother.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: See, Vision is lying to himself. Like, he recognizes these.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: It's so interesting because it's parallel of them being his
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: family while at the same time being pieces of him.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And you can argue that your family are, especially when
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you grow up with siblings, they are pieces of you, right?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're an older sibling, they're younger and they're
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: learning from you or you're middle, whatever.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: There's always an influence there.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And as mentioned, pieces of them and their soul and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: their psyche and their personalities that end up in you.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Same thing with your parents. There's pieces of them that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: are within you. And it's quite like, bro, you are
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: lying to yourself. And the answer, as usual, is right
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: in front of you. But you're making it this more
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: existential thing where you have to go search outward versus inward.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Interestingly enough... when it comes to like the set design
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and what they're doing and what they're saying just outright.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: when he speaks with Friday particularly she's a socialization pieces
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: of him and you see there's one scene where she
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: has this big ass book it says.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It on one side and eagle on the other and.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: If anybody who studies any type of philosophy, any type
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of Greek mythology or anything.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Like that, they talk about this a lot.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: The id is your primitive, instinctual, unconscious mind, your reptilian mind,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: if you will, right? The one you just have at
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: birth before you are taught the social constructs of life
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and all this other stuff. And then the ego, that's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the rational and decision-making part of your personality and how
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it operates across, you know, your conscious, your subconscious, all
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the levels. And it is those two, it's many forces,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: but a lot of these conversations are those two opposing
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: forces that you're constantly battling against, right? Do you go
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: with the it and just go with what you, what
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: feels good, right? Versus what you know to be good.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And you see this happening all the time with this
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: version of vision, right? And as I mentioned, this is
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a very different version of vision. This is a very
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: more ruthless, more, quick decision making. You saw how, when
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: his home girl, Fiona, um, unfortunately got unalived in the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: episode where like he, it wasn't even a second thought.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: As soon as the, the folks came in, the, the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: mercenaries came in, he popped each and every last one
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of them just without the hesitation. He did it again.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Episode two, when he went to go get his son
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: out the sanitarium out of St. Mabel's or whatever he was.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, just, and, and, That's what they were there for.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: That's what they were there for.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And Marvel's particularly good at, they always like to hide
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: blood and hide violence and drama. But this was a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: little higher level, like, blood and drama than they normally
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: show on Disney Plus anyway. I was like, oh, okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You know, besides, like, the Frank Castles and everything on Netflix. Like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I thought I hadn't seen them go that ruthless with
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: a character, like, on this scale, on Avengers level recently. Like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: to really be like, no, he don't give a fuck.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: He's not going to think about the humanity of a person.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: He's just like, you are a threat.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: You got to go. I think it's interesting because also
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: super interesting as you're talking about the ego and it,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: because literally where do we see Ultron reside? where the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Mind Stone symbol is within the house. Rit Free and
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Vision's head, right?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Rit Free!
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Right there.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: An apartment!
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: A penthouse apartment in a sky high. Right? Ultramutu on
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a piece of Jefferson, right? And I think it's, like...
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: It's just very telling that, like, we are... we're kind
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: of given this glimpse into Vision where we're seeing him
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: have a council with these people he invited inside of
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: his head, right? Correct. Like, he's asking them for their advice,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: even if he doesn't even take it. He's asking for them, like,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: when it comes to where the firewall breach, he's asking for, like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: when it comes to this, like, new notification about a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: possible son, like, his Billie Jean moment, like, he is
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: not my son. Like, he has so many... The kid
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: is not my son. But that is, like, he has
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: them there to be his supports in those small theater,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: watching a movie kind of way. And he has them
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: there for these, like, okay, the thing has happened. Fireball breach.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Now I need to have a discussion with y'all. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: who does he run to? It's Ultron. And so why...
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Is Ultron his morality?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Why are you talking to your dick right now, dude?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Like, it's the permission that he needs to be, like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to go create, like, haywire on these, like, mercenaries and
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: not have a second thought about it. Like, if anyone's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: going to give him permission to just, like, take life
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: without any question, it's going to be Ultron. And, like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I think Ultron recognizes that. I think the way that
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Ultron speaks to him, he's like, Well, you know, on
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: one hand, if I were free, I would go look
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: at my art. But on the other hand, I would
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: also just go to where the nuclear codes are and
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: take everybody out. Of course. And it is what it is.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: And so it's like, Vision knows exactly who he's talking to.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: He knows exactly why he's talking to him. He knows...
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Why didn't he put a protest up whenever Jarvis decided
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: he was going to take himself out? Why did he say, like, nah, actually,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to override you, and I'm going to take
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: someone else out instead?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think he could, though? He could have?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I think he could. If you can download them into
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: your head, why can't you override?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: He was badly damaged by adamantium rounds, I would like
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to say, because as soon as.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: That counter what is actually in the comics?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that's right aligned, because.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Which was fitting because in every story, the character always
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: says their downfall. They says, he said it a little
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: bit early. He was like, I made a vibranium. Nothing
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: could stop me. Here come the adamantium. I was like, actually,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: there might be something that could take you out, dude.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if he was too weak to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: really do it. I thought he was too weak to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: really do anything about anything.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: If the code can be deleted, he can do the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: code to delete it. He uploaded them. He has the ability.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Would you agree, like if we're using the id and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the ego, that Ultron is the id and the ego
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: was Jarvis?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And now with Jarvis gone, how does Vision act?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Honestly, in Vision's consideration of things, He probably thought there's
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: not enough room for the both of us at some
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: point anyway. Like Jarvis is going to continue to be like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: he feels like he's enough of a principled being that
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: he doesn't need another principled being. Why else was he
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: counting how many times he heard the elder brother speech
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: from this, you know, from him, right?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: He wanted him out his fucking head. He was like,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I want you to delete yourself. Of course, Portia, coming
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: with the conspiracy theories, C-O-N-spiracies.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Conspiracy against yourself?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Against the person that would have you put on extra
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: layers of boundaries and cushion when you're ready for chaos.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I can see that. That makes a lot of sense.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And I do want to make sure we, before we be,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: you know, finished up that we get to also his son,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: because his son is a huge component. We already said
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that his, his sons, both of them have
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: gone through similar and are going through similar. And this show,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: we're actually seeing both vision and Tommy going through the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: identity search and crisis and everything together. Um, And you
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: were learning about Tommy's background and the fact that he
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: thinks he's crazy, but... Or not thinks he's crazy. Everybody
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: else thinks he's crazy. He knows he's not crazy, but
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know who he is and what's going on.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of... Really, not kind of. It is
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: fucked up how they even came to be. Like, I understand...
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: They use that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: When they say when you're dying and you're on death's bed, you're, like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You're on, like, you're towing between these two.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: A portal, if you will. You're towing the two worlds,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: so that's how things can cross over.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: In Limbaugh.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Right. But that's fucked up!
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Because you.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's not like one life completely took over the other.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: You still remember remnants of the old life, and then
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: now you're struggling. And there's nobody or nothing, at least until.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: To counsel you.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: So.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: how do you just, just dealing with that?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Like the, a lesser mind will crumble immediately. And, and,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and Tommy is, you know, he's not far from crumbling.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I think it's, it's, it's even made worse.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. So like, I think going back to
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: the father, son ship of theseus thing, um, and the
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: masking and wearing layers. Like, he even admits in the
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: episode that he's good at... He enjoys doing cons because
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: he gets to try on being different people all the time.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And that has to be a way of him alleviating
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: this feeling from that trauma of having... then one soul
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: and then jumping into the body and life of some
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: other soul and being able to put on those other
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: faces for a minute, however long those cons are, gives
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: him a little bit more time to do those. So
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: some people might become a con artist, other people might
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: become an actor, right? Like that's what actors do. They
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: try on different people and all those kinds of things.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: So I think it's interesting that it all comes back
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: to that. And then the fact that he's, not only
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: is he dealing with this trauma in the first hand,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: he is like put into the brutal parts of it
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: within England's, you know, system. And apparently, you know, he's
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: an orphan at this age. So they just are like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: throw the book at him and send him off to
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a sanitarium. Which is insane. Yeah. And the first, like,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: of course the black man on the bus is the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: first one who gets brutalized by someone. Of course. And
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: of course the guy who's the brutalizer is, I was like,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: that's a familiar face. He is from Game of Thrones.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: He was what, Castle, like in a Castle Black, he
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: was one of the guys who took the black. of
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: the night watch. Ed, the one that always was like, oh,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: this is going to go badly or whatever. Like he's always,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: he always had like, oh man, like he was like
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: talking to John about like, oh man. And so like,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: it's interesting. It was just fun to see that face.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Did not love that he was utilizing a black man.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah. And I just think that like, it's,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: It is very trauma. I can only imagine someone who
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: has gone through something similar and like they're watching this
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: on TV and it's like, oh shit. Like this is,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: this is not for the lighthearted. This is not just
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: like a lighthearted romp, but neither has anything in this trilogy. No. And.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Want to enslave the town. I want everyone to remember that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It was enslavement. There's no mincing words here. Like, it
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: wasn't a nice jaunt through a Chuck E.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Cheese, if you will, right?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Like, this was literally people... And you remember how.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Against their will.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Against their will. Remember how when they were... Screaming, crying.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: The people would break out momentarily and they would they
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: would be like you said crying in tears like please
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: somebody once said kill me right wasn't it one of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the mothers up there she was like please kill me
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: like i just i can't be here what.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Is her name we see her um as the gag
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and um agatha all along her husband had a heart
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: attack once they actually got back into their real lives
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: he couldn't take it Mm-hmm.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Like, it's... That's what I want people to understand. Like,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned it. Like, it's more serious than
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you think, right? Like, it's all shits and giggles you think,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: but no, it's a lot more than that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: It's all a fantastic world. It's just a little bit of, like, okay,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: we get a little I love Lucy nod, and then
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get, like, but okay. But.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: And I kind of like that they only dipped you
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: in it briefly. And you do go back and forth
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: when he goes back and forth into his head, but
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I wonder how often they're going to do that as
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: the series goes on. And he already almost got destroyed
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: a minute ago. And yes, I double-checked this to be sure. Yes,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: adamantium is a stronger metal. And Wolverine has clawed into
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Black Panther before, who was wearing his Vibranium suit. So yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. So, not only, like, do you have
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: this being that's going through these psychotic episodes, really, technically,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you also, he's not fallible. Like, well, he is fallible, right? Like,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: he's not completely, like, impervious. Like, he can be killed.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: He can be destroyed in some way. And it's just,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and honestly, just again, Bakhti, these AI, I was like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: why y'all not killing Dummy and you, right? Like, why
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: they ain't, I mean, they choose not to offer themselves up,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: but I guess, their processing power was not as much
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: as Jarvis, right? Jarvis could literally power everybody else.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: So whatever. I thought it was... I honestly thought Friday
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: could have gone to.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, you'd rather Friday go.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Not us picking other people. Like, you could have go, bitch.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Because, like, she wasn't doing anything. Like, you know what
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like, Jarvis, it was, like, upholding the firewall. Edith,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: it's over here.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: He was doing the main thing. But that's kind of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the point, right? They want to get rid of the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: one that you are probably most familiar with.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Aligned to as well.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: And most aligned to.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And the one that... You know, the one that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Tugs on the heartstrings the most. Because you only have
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: two episodes to establish these... characters and at least these
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: versions of the characters and their connection. And if you
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: started watching Marvel from the beginning, the MCU from the beginning,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you know who Jarvis.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Is, right? I also want to say that it's funny
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: because we were talking about how the different kids have
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: inherited different things from their parents. And I think it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: very fun that tommy is british and that billy is
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: american but also isn't the actor i think that is
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the actor also i can't remember right now joe lock
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: is he really billy billy yeah yeah yeah Speaking English
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Half the people ain't American.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: They're not. But it's funny because he's the one... But
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: he is American. I guess Wanda's not American. Wanda's actually Sokovian.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: She's from Sokovia, yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: And we have Jarvis, British accent. We have... Yeah, a
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: lot of the people in this show.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Friday.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: All of them.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Very, very British.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And I will just... I'm bringing that up as well because...
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I think second episode gave me, even though I don't
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: watch Doctor Who, I have dibbled in it because friends
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: who have been trying to get me into it. I'm like, girl,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I try. And it did give me Doctor Who. Like,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: there were moments of that episode where I was like,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: this feels very Whovian. And the Brits are Britting right
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: now in this show. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: And that is what's enjoyable about, like, you do get
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces of other fandoms and other things that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: help with the fun factor of the series. I'm actually
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: really pleasantly surprised at what we ended up with, because, again,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't... Besides seeing the one trailer, I didn't look
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: into it. As mentioned, I didn't prep for this. I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: was just like, where are they going to go with this?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And do I even care about this story anymore? As mentioned,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it's been several years, several since WandaVision, and a handful
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: of years since Agatha O'Long. So to revisit this, we're
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: always yelling about, oh, Marvel going to the old thing again.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: They want that old thing back.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: But this is actually, right now, it's well written and
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: well acted. I'm enjoying it a lot. Now, at this point,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, where are they going with this? And
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: what does this lead to? Is this going to lead
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: to anything Doomsday related? I don't know the background about
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: where this is supposed to go. Or is this truly
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: just a closed loop where they're just trying to close
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: up the trilogy?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I have my personal reasons why I want... marvel to
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: linger on the witchcraft of things and therefore for agatha
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: all along at least to get if it doesn't get
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: another season for the character spinoffs or something to happen
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: in the world that keeps us within like hex magic
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: witches spellcraft um i don't want that to just be
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: us getting wicked in the young avengers like i don't
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: i do look forward to seeing the young avengers that's
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: fine but i want witchcraft with like I'm highly interested
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: in Marvel magic. I think there's too many magic users
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: in the world of Marvel to not explore that on
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: a regular basis. And I've, even if it, I feel
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: like there's so many avenues they haven't explored with it
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that I'd be so open to. Like, why don't we
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: get to see America Chavez and her learning magic through
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: a commortage? Why can't we get a magic school kind
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: of thing setting there? It'd be fun. Yeah. I would
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: be so sad for that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: You reminded me of the fact that even though it
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: unfortunately suffered from the fanboyism's Ironheart the fact that they.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Yes Mephisto's laughing.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Ironheart was has such heavy heavy implications to the rest
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: of the MCU if they continue the threading line and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: just to your point I would love to see them
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: continue down the magic path especially because you're reintegrating it
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: again with Vision and the stories of the witches and
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: all this other stuff there is a witch Zelma within
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the story of of Ironheart and how they ended off
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: there like She's going to get training.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Red Hood, like all of that is there. Like, and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing I do. Like it's there.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: It's so much potential. It's right there.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: It's right there.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: So, so was blade. And we got what we got.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to talk about that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk about the things that I see
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: that are look, Vision Quest is already happening.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: It's already here. So it's just like the guiding lines
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: are there and.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: You can easily, just easily connect them and make more
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: art out of it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And the fact that it's magic and it's magic within Marvel.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And I think to be honest with you, me personally,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: that's more intriguing than a million giant atom bombs that
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: they could show you on screen and big bad fights.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Like this is way more intriguing.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I would like to pledge an oath. That I solemnly
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: would love to never see another touting of the military
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: industrial complex as superheroes on my screen ever again.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Never will happen. Will never happen. Multinational corporations will never
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: let you not see that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I sincerely... Disney! Do you know how much it hurt
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: my heart to see how deeply... it was invested in
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the latest Spider-Man movie. I was just... So, like, if
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I catch a whiff, I'm out. I can't do it anymore.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I can't. I cannot. Please give me Magic and Whimsy.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Please keep... I can't. Please, Vision Quest, don't go down
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: that road.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: We might get something cool. Let me shout out a
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: couple of the cast. You already know Paul Bettany as Vision.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: James Spader returning as Ultron. Riyad Malika, he's Tommy. Todd Stashwick, Paladin.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Emily Hampshire as Edith. Orla Brady as Friday. Rustin Powell, Travis,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: James Darcy.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: We'd love to see you again. Man! Always love to
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: see you. Love to see him.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: And also kind of interested in this Lisa character. Lauren Marias, sorry,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: plays Lisa Molinari, which looks like a love interest for Tommy.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Interested to see how that goes, if she ends up
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: being a different character. Because that's another thing that these
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: magic-induced shows like to do. You know, kind of low-level
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: introduce a character that happens to be someone way higher,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: just like the whole thing with Zelma. Zelma has bigger
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: implications in... Ironheart than just what we saw.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, yeah, I, again, if some of this goes
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: into Young Avengers, who may just be regular level Avengers,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: because Young Avengers is, I mean, Young is relative. 26
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: is young. That's still young. Still young. I just think
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: that I, I really high key hope that what we
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: see next in this series is It plays a lot
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: more with the magic side of things. I did not
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: expect for Vision Quest to do it as much as
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: they did, so I do appreciate that and like laud
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: that because it is interwoven in a way where um
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: the ai and the magic don't seem like they're tussling
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: with each other which is very yeah for a vision
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: who has been in love with a witch right like
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: yes it just makes a lot of sense and i
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: really enjoy it i think that Paladin making that whole
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: point of where he's in his long life. And I
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: think there's been some clue drops in that Paladin was saying,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, what's going on here? Is this a
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: long established order? What's going on? Because he says, he
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: starts to say something about since time immemorial and he
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: doesn't finish off that thought. And I'm like, well, what
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: would you know about some time immemorial? You are a human, right?
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: What do you know about what's going on here? And
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: then He says, in my experience, like in my long experience,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: if there's something about witch spells or hex, things aren't
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: all the way done. Which basically sounds like comics like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: even if you don't see the death on page or
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: if you don't it's not all the way done right
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: yes yes so it's comic logic but he's applying it
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: to magic and i'm like i mean i guess but
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: i i there's clues here that there's lots of clues
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: to then meets the eye like even though like paladins
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: is basically everything i hate to see when it comes
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: like military industrial conflicts all these personaries wearing all these
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: big guns doing all these like very mech um and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: like hand of like authority gesture things at the same
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: time he's sharing stuff and he's working in a way
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: that i'm like now who's behind you not who hired
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: you who's behind you and why are you important to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: vision story in particular yeah.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: And the way that they're running this particular show, they
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: are very deliberate in the clue giving.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: They're deliberate in.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: The turns of phrases that are used by the people,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: you know, the things that are very precise or very
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: specific or literal versus what's meant to be figurative. And
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: even within the conversations, when Vision was speaking with his
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: homegirl Fiona before she passed, and she was like, well,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: what happened, Juana?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: What happened to your redhead girl?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: And she was like, well, she was crushed under the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: weight of a mountain. And he meant that very literal, right? Like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: my wonder girl. And she was just like, oh, you know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that's a, you know, that's a hard thing to talk about.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: She was, you know, she was crushing on the weight
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: of emotions and all this stuff. And both technically are true, right? Like, technically,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: both approaches are true. And like you said, the fact
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: that they're talking about it in the first place leads
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: more to the clues that are, you know, about what
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: is being said. People are not exactly dead. There are
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: other things happening. If magic is involved, it's not what
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you think it is. Everything isn't, doesn't, everything, isn't what
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: it appears to be. And I think we're going to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: be in for... If this continues in this trajectory, I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: think we're going to be in for a really good
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: ride with this series. I do know that they're dropping
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: two episodes... for the next two weeks. And then they're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: going to split. So it's only eight episodes, number one,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: as far as I know.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: It's only episodes.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Two episodes came out this week. Next two come out
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: on the 20th of October. Next two, 27th of October.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And then episode seven is November 3rd. And episode eight
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: is November 10th. Where do you think we're going at
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: this point? Like, I know we talked about where we
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: want the magic, we want this and then that.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: But based on what we have.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Where were we ending up?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Father-son road trip in the station wagon. And also, he's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: talking to the voice in his head, which is Ultron,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: on his side. Like, gotta figure that one out. Like,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: especially with his son, who's already, like.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: And the fact that we as a whole can see
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Ultron outside when he's talking to him, but no one
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: else can see him, like, that's also meant to make
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: you feel crazy.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Too, as a viewer.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I wonder if, like, if Billy would be able to see.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: like because he's a magic right yes like.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: And because tommy is like speed and it's it's also
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: interesting because tommy doesn't like he this is also kind
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: of an origin story for tommy because correct he doesn't
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: even know his own power he freaks out because this
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: thing just happens to me sometimes he doesn't know what
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: it is he doesn't know how to harness it he
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't know something that he can actually utilize he just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: knows something's going on and he he's uncomfortable with it Um,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: and I think that's interesting. Um, so we're definitely going
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: to get more on that. Is Ultron going to find
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: a way to interact with Tommy on his own? And
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: you work back his head, right? Like, I don't know.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: And maybe if Tommy had like a tech magic, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: could a hundred percent say, oh yeah, that's what's about
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: to happen. But I have no idea like how that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: would ever, he can't even, he can't see him. So
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know how that would happen.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm really interested in seeing Tommy, how he like
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: harnesses and develops his power and how he evolves. Because
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: his brother got there at the end of Agatha all along.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if Tommy is also going to be
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: able to like tap in all the way.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting too, because like it's kind of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: two different approaches for those two kids, because we don't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: really fully know how aware Billy was of how much
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: power he had over his power. He didn't.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: He had amnesia at first, too. Or what'd you say?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Was he playing like he had amnesia?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Not that he had amnesia, but he wasn't aware. Because
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: there's a point whenever he switches things up on Agatha
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: and he puts her through where he's like, oh no,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: you're not going to be a problem for me no more.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: And that doesn't come from nowhere. There's a level of
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: confidence built behind you know that you can run this.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: You know who your mama was.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: But also, you know.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: But that's amnesia if you don't know who your mama is.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? There's a part of him
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that knows he was playing around with his power before
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: he got there. That's how he was able to break
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: into Agatha's issue. Well, actually, his mom's construct in the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: first place, right?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: He knew. Also, are we going to see Billy? I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: think that Billy... I would love to see Billy. Billy
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: and he has to have Agatha and Toga she's a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: ghost now so she's like she's riding along with him
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: alongside Ultron riding along with Vision so I think that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: could be really interesting I think yeah I mean road
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: trip someone has to go to America or someone from
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: America has to come there and I'm going to guess
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: it's going to be Billy coming there because he's going
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: to be trying to say he's already on the hunt
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: for his brother so I'm guessing that's what's going to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: happen and apparently especially if Vision is showing up on
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: television like, oh, Vision is alive, or whatever. That's going
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: to drive Billy right to the situation. And I think
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: we're also thinking about the news. On one of those newspapers,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: it mentions that the tech CEOs have been like being
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: taken out. So there's a mystery there too, about like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: who's taking out these tech bros. So I think, you know,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: we don't get hints about things unless it's relevant to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: the main storyline. And so I'm like, who is the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: mystery mysterious voice talking to Paladin? They have very easy
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: ease of access to the tech. could be anybody could
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: be there's so many tech well and that's what you're
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: saying earlier too like you don't just introduce people out
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  Speaker 3: of nowhere so like who do we know in the
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  Speaker 3: universe of mcu that is very easily manipulates technology.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it there um I like where you're going. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I really like the series so far. Everything about it
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  Speaker 2: everything is right up my alley for me. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: how I feel about it until episode four. Okay.
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